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Speaker 3: dot com. At the same time, we have some updates

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Speaker 3: on the US and China. So Trump says a deal

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Speaker 3: is done. The details are a little bit different. Let's

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Speaker 3: go and put this up there on the screen. Trump

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Speaker 3: said that the deal restoring a China trade truce is done.

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Speaker 1: So let's make this very clear.

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Speaker 3: This is about a deal over the truce, not necessarily

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Speaker 3: a deal between the two countries, although that's originally kind

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Speaker 3: of the way that it was sold. So this was

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Speaker 3: after the update that we gave everybody on Tuesday. The

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Speaker 3: US and China met for the very second time on

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Speaker 3: their trade talk, after there was some indication that things

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Speaker 3: might fall apart. The impetus for those talks was China's

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Speaker 3: hold up of rare earth minerals, and that really is

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Speaker 3: the keystone of this entire deal. So what we see

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Speaker 3: right now is that the tariffs are alleged they're going

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Speaker 3: a deal in Switzerland about a month or so ago.

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Speaker 3: Trump said in his post that the US would set

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Speaker 3: a total of fifty five percent tariffs, which by the way,

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Speaker 3: is still pretty high as opposed to the thirty percent previously,

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Speaker 3: and then China would keep its current reciprocal where things

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Speaker 3: are right now. However, what we see right now is

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Speaker 3: that the framework would quote restore the pack they agreed

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Speaker 3: to in Switzerland, but increase and freeze for six months

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Speaker 3: the speed up of these rare earth minerals coming to

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Speaker 3: on it. We did a thing yesterday about this mineral samarium,

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Speaker 3: which the US military needs for fighter jets, and was

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Speaker 3: cut off overnight on China.

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Speaker 1: There were several others cover here.

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Speaker 3: They have a one capacity. I mean, what's annoying about

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Speaker 3: the term rare earth? This is not rare it's it's

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Speaker 3: about refining capacity. That's really what it's all about. It's

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Speaker 3: So can we put the next please part on the screen?

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Speaker 3: This is the most important part, and we flagged at

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Speaker 3: the time. The tariffs itself, of course mattered, but the

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Speaker 3: which was immediately put into place after the trade war

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Speaker 3: they did. And it's not as surprise as to why

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Speaker 3: he has been granted this quote six month limit on

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Speaker 3: the ease of rare earth export licenses. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't take a genius to see six months is

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Speaker 3: not a long time, Okay. Six months is basically like

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Speaker 3: the lack of planning, and I would fold in the

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Speaker 1: But instead it's really the opposite.

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Speaker 3: I mean, effectively, what they're saying here within these bills

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of the previous relationship.

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Speaker 3: It's really not you know, trying to solve a lot

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Speaker 3: So it is I think there's still big, big problems

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Speaker 1: In the US.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you said we covered this when

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Speaker 2: so thoroughly predictable, which again shows you how haphazard and

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Speaker 2: poorly thought out this entire quote unquote strategy. I don't

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Speaker 2: these are the industries we need to reshore, and here's

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Speaker 2: the industrial policy that goes with it, and here's how

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Speaker 2: we're building a coalition to make sure that we can do.

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Speaker 4: This and stand up to China in this way.

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Speaker 2: That no, none of that, all of it's by the

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Speaker 2: So there are sort of conflicting statements coming out of

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration about this upcoming July deadline, in which

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Speaker 2: previously they've said, Okay, we're putting in place this ninety

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Speaker 2: How is that going? And that ninety day deadline is

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Speaker 2: fast approaching. The new line out of the administration was Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: if we don't come to deals, we're just going to

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Speaker 2: unilaterally put in place tariffs. I don't know, we'll have

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Speaker 4: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: Bessant was asked yesterday and he said that Trump was

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Speaker 2: likely to extend the pause on the teriff's past that. However,

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Speaker 2: this is your new tariff. In any case, let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and take a listen to what Scott Bessant had

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Speaker 5: Very few of the trade deals have been announced yet.

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Speaker 5: I think most people in Congress and around the world

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Speaker 5: preparing for Liberation Day two point zero? Should we plan

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Speaker 5: what do we plan for January, July ninth, and July second?

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Speaker 6: I would say, as I have repeatedly said that there

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Speaker 6: deals on those and it is highly likely that those

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Speaker 6: case of the EU, who are negotiating in good faith,

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Speaker 6: we will roll the date forward to continue the good

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Speaker 6: faith negotiations. If someone is not negotiating, then we will

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Speaker 6: not so.

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Speaker 2: In contrast to that, Trump said that he would set

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Speaker 2: unilateral terrrists in two weeks, so who the hell knows.

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Speaker 2: In addition, Scott bess Hint also revealed that there is

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Speaker 2: also teriff derangement sentroume.

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Speaker 4: Let's stay listen to that.

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Speaker 6: I will say that I believe that the economic the

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Speaker 6: certainty because there is a duality between the critics of

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Speaker 6: this administration. All I hear is teriffs. It's like TDS

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Speaker 6: has become tariff derangement syndrome, and that all I hear

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Speaker 6: So let's get this bill done and get the certainty

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Speaker 6: on taxes. We will have certainty on tariffs within some

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Speaker 4: So tariff derangement syndrome.

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Speaker 2: Maybe people are bringing that up to you a lot

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Speaker 2: two because it's actually a real and major issue for

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Speaker 2: and how to adjust it.

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Speaker 3: Look, everything right now for the administration is they both

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Speaker 3: Five hundred, with inflation, with shortages. But I will say,

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Speaker 1: Most people are like, yeah, whatever.

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Speaker 3: In Charlotte, Okay, why do I care about what's going

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna be reliant on China anymore. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: well we have the biggest tax bill every five years.

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Speaker 3: Where's the dollars to make sure that that's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: I don't see a single one, you know, right now.

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Speaker 3: Same with these rare mineral people do actually, I think

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Speaker 3: because at the very beginning, if we just came off

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Speaker 3: of this, to me, it's about autonomy. It's about being

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Speaker 3: and produce the things that it needs to function. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we can have trade, but in a time of war

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Speaker 3: and a time of crisis, we need to make sure

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Speaker 3: this hedge fund stuff that pumps our economy right now,

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Speaker 3: it's all bullshit. Same with AI, that's not what matters.

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Speaker 3: Go and ask Russia, as you can see happening for

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Speaker 3: them right now. Yes, they've you know, had sanctioned to death.

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Speaker 3: They're fine, and that's part of what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: That's what makes you, you know, anti fragile in a sense,

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Speaker 3: and we don't have that. And I think people really

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Speaker 3: you have a sense of that, but that's not what

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Speaker 3: you know, this fifty nine percent tariff or whatever on

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Speaker 4: They went too far.

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Speaker 2: He was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. He was on that plane.

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Speaker 4: And Elon did.

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Speaker 2: Now we have the reporting. Also talked to Trump before

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Speaker 4: About Elon Musk.

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Speaker 6: Can you shoot an apology this morning?

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Speaker 3: The President acknowledged the statement that Elon put out this morning,

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Speaker 1: We have the reporting. We can put that on the screen.

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Speaker 1: That is bullshit, that's not what definitely at all.

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Speaker 2: No, he is not a political asset, which is part

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Speaker 2: of why I thought it was so weird people like

440
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Speaker 2: Rocana and others who were like, let's reach.

441
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: Out to Elan.

442
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 4: I'm like, how did this go?

443
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: Like putting aside the principles which it should be important.

444
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 4: How did this go for a republic? Has this been

445
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 4: great for the Trump administration?

446
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: How did this go with that Wisconsin Supreme Court race?

447
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 4: It was evil on a major asset there.

448
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: Did that really help them, you know, be able to

449
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: lose by double digits in that race? So, I mean,

450
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: I can only speculate, right, So from the beginning it

451
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: was weird to me.

452
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 4: How well it was weird to me.

453
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Speaker 2: Throughout the Trump administration, how deferential he was to Elon.

454
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 4: That was weird to begin with. Then when Elon.

455
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: Goes nuclear, when Elon goes total scorched earth with you're

456
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 2: a pedo and I won you in the election and

457
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: you should be impeached and JD.

458
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Speaker 4: Man should replace you.

459
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: When that happened, and Trump responded in this very meek way,

460
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: like not at all characteristic of the way he usually goes,

461
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: so hard, and he'll invent stories. And he knows he's

462
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: got a gift for humiliation, right, he knows what he's

463
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: doing in that department.

464
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Speaker 4: He didn't do that.

465
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Speaker 2: And in fact, Jade Vance was on with Theomon while

466
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: this was all unfolding. They were recording that interview, and

467
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: according to the reports, at least Trump counseled Jadie Vance

468
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: to be diplomatic in that conversation. In fact, before I

469
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: heard that report and I just listened to Jadie Vance

470
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: on with Theomon talking about this, I thought, I don't

471
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Speaker 2: know if Trump is going to feel like he went

472
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Speaker 2: strong enough.

473
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Speaker 1: I thought the same for him.

474
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he did enough here to like

475
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Speaker 2: really project his loyalty. But apparently he was following the

476
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: advice and the council of Trump and what he wanted

477
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: him to do. So I mean, I can only assume

478
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: that either he is worried about like whatever Elon knows

479
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: about the Epstein files, or perhaps he thinks Elon knows

480
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: something about the election, whether that's sure or not, that

481
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to come out, or there is some other,

482
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: you know, unknown something or fear of some unknown something

483
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: that Elon could reveal that would be genuinely damaging and

484
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: a problem for him. Now, listen, there are things in

485
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: the public sphere. We know our karts that Elon holds.

486
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: Trump has way war. He's the president of the United States.

487
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. Elon controls Twitter. Twitter's really

488
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: important to the right right now. That's very significant. You know,

489
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: that is like the backbone of Republican propaganda efforts is

490
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: on Twitter right now. So that is important and consequential.

491
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: Elon controls Starlink. Starlink is even more important and consequential

492
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Speaker 2: as communications backbone, which I think is you know, intentional

493
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Speaker 2: on Elon's part to have that kind of control. It's

494
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Speaker 2: worth remembering in the context of the Ukraine War. I mean,

495
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: first of all, Elon saying okay, you can use our

496
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: you know, starlink satellites for communications, extremely consequential for Ukraine,

497
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: and then he him as an individual being able to say,

498
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want you to use it for crimea,

499
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Speaker 2: so we're going to take that offline.

500
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Speaker 4: Whether you think that's the right decision or not.

501
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: Having one person with that kind of control running his

502
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Speaker 2: own foreign policy shows you how important Starlink truly, truly is.

503
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Speaker 4: SpaceX.

504
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: NASA is very dependent on SpaceX at this point, you know,

505
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: the International Space Station very dependent on SpaceX at this point.

506
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: This is a I think colossal indictment of the move

507
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: that has you know, occurred over successive administrations towards privatization,

508
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: not only if NASA, but of all sorts of government

509
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: you know, formerly government held capacity, and especially when you're

510
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: talking about into the hands of one specific individual. So

511
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Speaker 2: what was one of the first things that Elon said?

512
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Speaker 2: When Trump is like, I'm going, you know, I may

513
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: pull your contracts, Elon's like, okay, fine, we'll decommission the

514
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Speaker 2: particular spaceship that they use for the International Space Station.

515
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Speaker 4: So these things are all known.

516
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Speaker 2: But I still don't think that that is enough to

517
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Speaker 2: really account for the very meek way that Trump has

518
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Speaker 2: approached this and his willingness right away to sort of,

519
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, extend a hand and try to calm the

520
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: waters here with Elon. So I have to I have

521
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: to assume because one last thing here, you know, to

522
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: get to the burn book piece. It's not that these

523
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Republican aids are like, oh, I know he knows this

524
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: about us, and so I'm concerned. They're like he was

525
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: in all of our departments, like right exactly, Starlink was

526
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: put in the White House to suck up all kinds

527
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Speaker 2: of data. He's got his little minions, his little doge

528
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: minions who were loyal to him, about one hundred of

529
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Speaker 2: them is what I saw spread throughout agencies throughout the government.

530
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Speaker 2: So their fear is just like, we don't know what

531
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: he knows or what sort of tea he could spell,

532
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: or anyone will also just make some shut up too.

533
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: That's not beyond him either. So it could also be

534
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: one of those scenarios where Trump's just like, I don't know,

535
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: he could know some things that would be really damaging,

536
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: and that puts some fear into.

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Speaker 3: You don't even need a conspiracy theory. It's like somebody

538
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: who's in the room. This happened so many times in

539
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Speaker 3: the first Trump administration. Somebody was in the room would

540
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: come out of the room and then they would denounce

541
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: Trump and they would tell us about all the things

542
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Speaker 3: that was going on. That's how the Woodward books happen,

543
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: That's how all this other stuff happened, right, and so here,

544
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Speaker 3: I really think that that might be one of the

545
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Speaker 3: more animating.

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Speaker 2: Ones for instances though, it's not like Trump was afraid

547
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Speaker 2: to go after that.

548
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I am mean and I think we're looking

549
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: for to mend senses.

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Speaker 3: Well, Twitter though, is actually the one that you mentioned,

551
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: which is probably the most important, because Twitter is like

552
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Speaker 3: the beating heart. See you said republican propaganda. I really

553
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: don't think it's that it's about elite conversation like that

554
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: is what Twitter ultimately is, is the place where narratives

555
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: are set. Yes, you know, Republican and democratic, but like

556
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: it is the beating heart of politics as we know it.

557
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Speaker 3: And I think that it's because of that that they

558
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 3: see the power and they're worried about let's say, the

559
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: algorithm of fundraising and so much more and broadly, I

560
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: mean we shouldn't take this for granted either. I mean

561
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Speaker 3: they did buy a lot of their own bs. I

562
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: mean Elon was like deified into a god ever since

563
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: he bought Twitter amongst a lot of Republicans. So you know,

564
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Speaker 3: you don't necessarily want that person to turn against you,

565
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: and so for a lot of them, maybe not necessarily

566
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: the top of the White House. But let's say you know,

567
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: Republican congressman officials. Remember there's like a Doze caucus literally

568
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 3: in the House of Representatives. Like there's all kinds of

569
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: stuff that's happening inside of all of the party apparatus.

570
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised either.

571
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: You know, the RNC, they're probably deeply integrated with Elon,

572
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: So he does have leverage, you know, not of course,

573
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: not nearly as much as doll.

574
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Speaker 2: The Epstein thing is real, but I mean, this administration

575
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: is acting so weird about that.

576
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree.

577
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: And Epstein said Trump and him were buses for a decade.

578
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: Right.

579
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: You had Pan BONDI say that we've got thousands of

580
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Speaker 2: hours of videos we're trying to go through and that's

581
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: why it's taken so long for anything to come out.

582
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: Then you have Cash Betel go on with Joe. We're

583
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: going to say there's no videos. These things do are

584
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: no That is nuts.

585
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: I agree, Like they.

586
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: Don't go together.

587
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had that crazy influencer boondoggle where they all

588
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: came out with their photo op with their binders of

589
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: information that was already widely public publicly available since twenty fifteen.

590
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: Actually Goger had released more than was even in those binders.

591
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: You had Cash Mitel and Dan Vongino go on Fox

592
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: and say, oh, no, no, we know, we know that

593
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: he killed himself. Like we can tell you definitely, Like

594
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: just trust us. Don't you think we would tell you

595
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: the truth? Just trust us. He definitely killed himself and

596
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: there's nothing to see here. You cash hotel tell Joe

597
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: Rogan that the uh, actually the cameras were on in

598
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: the cell, which that is the opposite of what we've

599
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: been told this whole entire time. Whenever Trump gets asked

600
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: about Epstein, he gets really weird. He you know, we

601
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: showed you the clip before he gets asked what about JFK.

602
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: He gets asked about something Elsey that yes, release the files, Yes,

603
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: release the files, and then when it's Epstein, it's yet, well,

604
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, privacy and concerned maybe a little bit

605
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: less on that one, and that he always is liked

606
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: that with the Epstein things, So I mean, I yeah,

607
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: I don't put I do not put off.

608
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Speaker 4: The table whatsoever.

609
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: That that also could be a core part of why

610
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: he is so reluctant to burn the bridge and go

611
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: completely scorched earth. Who had Elon in a way that

612
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: he has not been reluctant with literally anyone else who

613
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: has crossed him.

614
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: It is weird.

615
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: There's no question the Epstein thing is absolutely crazy. As

616
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Speaker 3: I still think it's the Israel connection. I really do,

617
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: just especially considering the Israel Firsters that are all in

618
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: the administration, because if I had to guess, the smoking

619
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: gun stuff on the Mosat in Israel must be insane

620
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: on Epstein, like the control, the money, the control, what

621
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: they were asking of him for, you know what exact

622
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: purpose you all had. So I think that that is

623
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Speaker 3: still yet the most unexplored and really the most underdiscussed

624
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: element of all this. You know, everyone's like, oh, the compromide.

625
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, listen, I knew that was that was there.

626
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to know at.

627
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: The highest levels, Yeah, of the governments, consequential for foreign policies,

628
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: for understanding the way that you know, this foreign government

629
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Speaker 2: has operated within our own country. And yes, I and

630
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: I was on with Pierce Morgan this week and we

631
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: were talking about all of this stuff and what the

632
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Republican Roger Stone was on there and.

633
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Speaker 1: Oh what did Rogers say? I'm actually curious. Yeah, it's

634
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Speaker 1: not a great format for him.

635
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it was not a great He needs a

636
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: one on one like, you know, I think older people too,

637
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: like I struggle in that kind of panel format. So

638
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: he honestly didn't have a lot to say. But basically,

639
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Peers and the two Republicans on the panel, Clay Travis

640
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: and Roger Stone on the panel, were like, don't you

641
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: think if there was something in the Epstein files about

642
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: Trump that Democrats would have leaked it? And I didn't

643
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: have a chance to jump in, but my rejoinder would

644
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: be like, number one, we know they were Bill Clinton associations,

645
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: so they wouldn't want that pieced out. And you know,

646
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: unlike you, I'm not a hat so I'm willing to say,

647
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, this is this is bipartisan situation here that

648
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: could be very embarrassing. But number two, the Israel piece, like, yeah, no,

649
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: American administration, which have been extraordinarily pro Israel and hardcore

650
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: Zionists are going to want to reveal his connections to

651
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: Masad and that he was very likely, you know, based

652
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: on what we know at this point, very likely an

653
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: intelligence asset for them and that's what he was up to.

654
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: So you know, to me, it's no mystery why this

655
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: stuff stays under wraps because it's both the whole intention,

656
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: the whole project, was creating material that was politically damning

657
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: for both parties to exercise control.

658
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: And then you know the like the.

659
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: Reason for that is also politically damning, and you know,

660
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: something that no American administration will want to come out.

661
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, while I.

662
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Was while I was on paternity leave, I somehow fell

663
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: down this YouTube rabbit hole at two am about spies, and.

664
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Speaker 1: So I started listening. I knew a little bit about

665
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: the case.

666
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: The Jonathan Pollard case is insane, really, and it reminds

667
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: me a lot of the whole Epstein thing. So Pollard

668
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: is this guy working I think it was at the NSSA,

669
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: and he's basically like a free for all, like he'll

670
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: spy for anybody because he wants money. And he ends

671
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: up hooking up with MOSAT and they pay him a

672
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: lot of money to basically steal an ssay or intelligence

673
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: documents and smuggle them out and it gets for it, Okay,

674
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: well it eventually he gets caught and he gets sentenced

675
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: to prison for I don't know, thirty some odd years

676
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: for espionage. In that time, Pollard basically transforms himself into

677
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: saying that because he was a Zionist jew that he

678
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: was spying for Israel because he believed they were not

679
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: getting enough intelligence. Benjamin Nettan Yahoo starts visiting Pollard in

680
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: prison here in Washington. The entire Israeli government grants, they

681
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: granted him citizenship. It became a point of diplomacy for

682
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: that government to demand his release. Multiple Jewish billionaires in

683
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: the United States petitioned President Clinton and other presidents since

684
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: then till his release to be released from prison and

685
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: be granted clemency because he had spied for an ally.

686
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is crazy. This guy is

687
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: a straight up trader. Net and Yahoo visits in prison.

688
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: The moment he's off, Paroli flies to Israel and he

689
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: lives there now currently.

690
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: I was like, off the point.

691
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: I could not believe the level of influence of their

692
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: government to have the audacity to basically beg hours every

693
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: successive president, attorney general and others to release him from prison.

694
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if a US asset was caused, you know,

695
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: caught spying for Mosad or for spying for US in

696
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: in Tel Aviv and they put him in jail, the

697
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: Israelis would be outraged. If we were like, hey, you

698
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: got to release him, like, you know, this is these

699
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: are guys, you know, it's oh, we're all friends here

700
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: and all.

701
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe that.

702
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: This was so out, all in the open.

703
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: And what really reminded me of it is that people

704
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 3: like me who are saying all these things I am

705
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: right now in the nineties, in the two thousands were

706
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: branded what rabbit anti semits for bringing on and I

707
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: was like, man, this machine.

708
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 4: And it worked for a long time.

709
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Speaker 1: It worked, It worked so well.

710
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Speaker 3: And if I know, this is bad and the level

711
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: of control and all that they have over our politics

712
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: is just immense.

713
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: It's horrific.

714
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Speaker 3: You know, I could I could never, I could never

715
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: even begin to like overstate what it is. But with

716
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: the Internet, you know, we have a chance to be

717
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: able to speak out.

718
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: On some of this.

719
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: And things are as hard as this to believe things

720
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Speaker 3: are still a lot better.

721
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: Well, that is actually a good transition to Zoran, who

722
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: they are trying to run the he's an anti semi

723
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: playbook against and you know what's we've played some of

724
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: the clips here that to me are just like mind blowing.

725
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: The clip from the debate where they're like, well, you know.

726
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: Lightning round where would you go first?

727
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: Foreign trips mayor, which okay, why are you going to a

728
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: foreign triple whatever? And Zaraen's like, I'm gonna stay in

729
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: New York And they're like, well, but would you go

730
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: to Israel? Will you commit to going to Israel? In

731
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: a later response, he actually said, I'm not sure they

732
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: would let me in because I'm a supporter of the

733
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: BDS movement, which is again, so here's this guy who

734
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: a decade ago inconceivable that he would be in the

735
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: running for New York City, inconceivable that he would be

736
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: in the running for New York City mayor, and this,

737
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: you know, smearing him as an anti Semite would have worked.

738
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: Now let's go ahead and put a three up on

739
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: the screen and then I'm going to play some clips

740
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: from his appearance on The Breakfast Club. According to Newpole,

741
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: that's the only one we have like this, So you know,

742
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: Carson say all that.

743
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: Stuffe everyone take it for According.

744
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: To a new poll from the Public Policy Polling Survey,

745
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 2: up four points over Andrew Cuomo among likely DEM primary voters.

746
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 4: This was conducted last week.

747
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: So this is also I think the first poll that

748
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: we have which is post debate and post AOC endorsement.

749
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: New York City does rank choice voting.

750
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: The polls not ranked choice, so this would be basically

751
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: like the first round the result in the first round.

752
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: It has never been the case. We've not seen any

753
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: poll before that has him number one in the first round.

754
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: And the dynamics of the race are such that, you know,

755
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 2: in all the polling we've seen that does simulate ranked

756
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: choice vote, he picks up votes as you go throughout

757
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: the round because other, you know, more progressive candidates basically

758
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: their voters fall out their second choices or on or

759
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: their third choices or on or whatever, and there's a concerted,

760
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: somewhat coordinated effort to not rank Cuomo on those ranked

761
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: choice ballots whatsoever. In addition, this was really quite significant

762
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 2: because the knock on him has been like, Okay, he's

763
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: doing good with like white progressives, but he hasn't been

764
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: able to expand his base. He's supposed to be this

765
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: democratic socialist running on freezing the red and public grocery

766
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: stores and free public buses and free childcare and all

767
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. This should be he should want

768
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: this working class base, and he hasn't been able to

769
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: pull it together. Well, we now have some indications that

770
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: he is growing in some of those key demographic areas.

771
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: Could put this piece up on the screen, which was

772
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: really significant this E four guys, his support continues to

773
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: be strongest among white and Asian voters, but you now

774
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: have twenty seven percent of black voter surveyed supported him,

775
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: that second only to Cuomo, who is somewhere around forty

776
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: as did nearly one third of Hispanic voters, and indication

777
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: he's gaining multi racial support among New Yorkers. And in fact,

778
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: a previous poll that had come out before this that

779
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: had him losing to Cuomo after all of the rank

780
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: choice voting only by two had found that the demographics

781
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: where he was performing the most poorly were also the

782
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: demographics that knew the least about him, which to me

783
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: was an indication that potentially he had a lot room

784
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: to grow. He also, Sager had wildly higher favorability ratings

785
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: than Andrew Cuomo, of course, you know, had to leave

786
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: the Governor's office in disgrace, both over sexual harassment and

787
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: over his handling of COVID.

788
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: He lied to Congress.

789
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: Over you know, with this report that they put together

790
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: that undercounted COVID debts in nursing homes because he was

791
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: trying to hide the deadly impact of some of his

792
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: COVID era policies.

793
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: So he's got a lot of baggage.

794
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: But he also has you know, Cuomo is the iconic

795
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: name in New York politics. He has really coalesced as

796
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: sort of like the establishment moderate figure in this race.

797
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: And whether or not this poll is fully accurate, you

798
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: can say at this point Zorn is certainly given him

799
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: a run for his money.

800
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, this guy has He has performed better

801
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: than anybody I have seen yet, right like, in terms

802
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: of and especially in terms of my expectations. Originally I

803
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: was like, I was like, look, no offense. I was like,

804
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: I think this guy's gonna lose pipe fifty points just

805
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: from a kind of a cynical assumption around how US

806
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: politics broadly, or New York City politics kind of has been.

807
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: They elected Bloomberg and di Blasio, for God's sake, right Like,

808
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: this is not really a city that has rewarded upstarts,

809
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: at least in the modern era. I will note, you know,

810
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: Bloomberg did endorse Andrew Cuomo, and there is like some

811
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: centrist energy around the guy. But in a way, Zorn

812
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: may have gotten very lucky in that the person that

813
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: they picked is this at least not unpopular, but it

814
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: scarred centrist figure of Couomo, who has the legacy of COVID,

815
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: who has the fallout. They're resigning me too. You know,

816
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: that stuff did a lot of damage to his brand

817
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: going into this, and so he's not untainted. And so

818
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: you have the rise of like online resistance energy to

819
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And then you have Couomo, who's not only

820
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: this establishment figure but just like a deeply gross figure

821
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: who has been so like tied with a New York machine.

822
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: And you put those two things together and he kind

823
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 3: of do have a perfect storm.

824
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: It's possible. We don't want to overstate it.

825
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: Like that said that pulls five hundred people, Okay, New

826
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: York City is a population of millions, And also ranked

827
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: choice screws everything up, because yes, he may be the

828
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: first choice in this poll. But you know, the New

829
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: York Times came out today and endorsed some guy I've

830
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: literally never even heard of, right, And apparently the New

831
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: York Times endorsement is quite impactful in the state or

832
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: in the city of New York.

833
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Or at least it was last time around.

834
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: At you know, I mean, look this sounds crazy, but

835
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: right we're talking about heights, or we're talking about low

836
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: turnout New York City liberal elections, like the New York

837
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: Times endorsement if I recalled her in the whole Andrew

838
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: Yang situation, like it eventually did have some impact. And

839
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: so I just have no idea how it is all

840
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: going to play out. I do think he's going to

841
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: do much better than we originally thought.

842
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: At the very least.

843
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: You know, the guy has gained himself a profile of

844
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: some kind, you know, going they land, Yeah, that's what

845
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: it is.

846
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm like, who is that?

847
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, I apologize in New York like get pretty progressive,

848
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: but not you know, democratic socialist level and progressive. Well,

849
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the other thing that you have to

850
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: hand it to Zoran. I don't care where you're on

851
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: the political spectrum. He's run a fantastic campaign. You know,

852
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: he has this very consistent, clear cut messaging around we

853
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: are going to make New York affordable.

854
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: New York should be for everyone.

855
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: And he's got some you know, really digestible, concrete policy

856
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: proposals that he has relentlessly offered in order to marry

857
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: the message with the policy, and it's clearly working. I mean,

858
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: this guy, he There are many other figures in this

859
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: race who had a larger citywide profile than Zora, even

860
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: putting aside Cuomo brod Lander being one of them, Scott

861
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: Stringer being another one, Andrew Adrian Adams being another one,

862
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: who had citywide profiles and were established politicians and would

863
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: have been, if you were putting money down, much more

864
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: likely to sort of occupy the lane as the progressive

865
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: anti Quomo choice. And he has blown them out of

866
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: the water with the strength of his campaign, his social

867
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: media game, and he's very good. And I think you'll

868
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: see that now in some of these clips that we

869
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: can play you from the breakfast club. So he went on,

870
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: I think it was yesterday, and he gets asked, you know,

871
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: about Trump, and he gets asked about Democratic Party leadership

872
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: and you know how we need to move past that era,

873
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: and Charlon mine seems to be pretty sympathetic to him.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this first

875
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: part from Zorn about standing up to Trump.

876
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 7: Well, and I saw you say that in the debate.

877
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 7: You know you would be Trump's worst nightmare. Well, once again,

878
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: why should that matter to anybody voting for you? Now,

879
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 7: big cut running against Donald Trump?

880
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 8: No, you, but you are running against the authoritarianism that

881
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 8: he's bringing to the city. So you think than authoritarian, No,

882
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 8: I think that there's too many commonalities between him and

883
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 8: Donald Trump's record. And my point is that you don't

884
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 8: want to have a mayor who has to pick up

885
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Speaker 8: a phone call from someone who cut a two hundred

886
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 8: and fifty thousand dollars check to both him and Donald Trump.

887
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 8: You want to have a mayor who's willing to fight

888
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 8: for the city and have that that be the thing

889
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 8: that he's ultimately responsible for. And I think to your point,

890
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 8: we also have to be honest about how we lost

891
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 8: this presidential election. You know, New York is the state

892
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 8: that had the largest swing in the country towards Donald

893
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 8: Trump eleven and a half points. And it happened far

894
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 8: from the caricature of Trump voters. It happened in the

895
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Speaker 8: hearts of immigrant New York City. I went to Fordham

896
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 8: Road in the Bronx, I went to Hillside Avenue in

897
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Speaker 8: Queens and when I asked New Yorkers, there almost all

898
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 8: of whom were Democrats? Who did you vote for and why?

899
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 8: Many told me they didn't vote. Many told me they

900
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Speaker 8: voted for Trump. And they told me they voted for

901
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 8: him because they remembered having more money in their pocket

902
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 8: four years ago for their rent, for their childcare, for

903
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 8: their groceries, even for their metropolitan And as insincere and

904
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 8: ridiculous and horrific as we know Trump's policies to be,

905
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 8: that is how people felt. Those are the decisions that

906
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Speaker 8: they made. And when I asked these same New Yorkers

907
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Speaker 8: what would it take to bring you back to the

908
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 8: Democratic Party, they said, A relentless focus on an economic agenda.

909
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: So, Sager, you see there how he turns this question

910
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: leng and question him about Trump, like why are you

911
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: focused on Trump? Into number one, you should care that

912
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: Cuomo's getting money from the same guys, And he used

913
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: these same sort of lines and the debate, I think

914
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: to great effect of like he's getting money from the

915
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: same billionaires as Trump, and that's something you should be

916
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: concerned about. And then he is immediately able to turn

917
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: it to his message about affordability, yes, and how he's

918
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 2: going to appeal to voters, and he goes right after

919
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: that party goes through as like you know, free childcare

920
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: and free bus fare and freezing the rent. He goes

921
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Speaker 2: through his list of policy priorities. So I mean he's skilled.

922
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: He look, he's a good communicator. He also has He

923
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: was a podcast guy, he was the online guy.

924
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: He really learned a lot from a lot of the

925
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: movement he you know, from a lot of the Bernie

926
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: Sanders wing.

927
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Speaker 1: And look, you know, I've got a lot.

928
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Speaker 3: Of differences with mister Zoron, but I will say I

929
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Speaker 3: respect people who are underdogs, people who are able to

930
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: use the Internet and to use the new lessons of

931
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Speaker 3: politics to be able to overcome things. And regardless of

932
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: whether he wins or not, he is going to be

933
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Speaker 3: a fixture of some kind in New York City politics.

934
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Speaker 3: He could find himself running for Congress, you know, or

935
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Speaker 3: any other like this is a real star one of

936
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: those campaigns where whether you win or lose, like he

937
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: won something and you won something big.

938
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Speaker 1: Especially I don't.

939
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Speaker 3: Even know if he wants to necessarily remain just the

940
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Speaker 3: you know, the city of New York, like he could

941
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Speaker 3: easily find himself vaulted to you know, the member of

942
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Speaker 3: Congress or who knows. I mean, what AOC wants to do,

943
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Speaker 3: right if she decides to primary Chuck Schumer or Chuck

944
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Speaker 3: Schumer decides not to run, there's a lot of different

945
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Speaker 3: things that are on the table.

946
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Speaker 2: Indeed, he also got asked about, you know, dumb leadership

947
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Speaker 2: and failures of dumb leadership in the context of challenging

948
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Speaker 2: Andrew Kuoma. I thought he responders to this, well, to

949
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Speaker 2: let's take a listen to that.

950
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Speaker 7: You do have to throw that old regime under the bus,

951
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 7: because it's not just that bus is going to be free, sure,

952
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 7: but it's not just Cuomo into democratic arity. It's a

953
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 7: lot of old leadership. List to Chuck Schumer's it's the bidens.

954
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 7: You got to throw all of that under the bus

955
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 7: and run it over. And people have to hear you

956
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 7: say that because I keep hearing y'all. You know, you

957
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 7: keep talking about Trump, Trump, Trump, John Trump.

958
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: No, but what.

959
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 7: Your body has been just as ineffective and just as

960
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 7: corrupt in a lot of ways.

961
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 8: Trust me, I have I hear you because I've been

962
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 8: critical about the style of leadership that gave rise to

963
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 8: Donald Trump is also a style of leadership within the

964
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Speaker 8: Democratic Party, and I think for too long. It's been

965
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 8: a party that has valued insider politics, pay your dues,

966
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: the words and advice of consultants, over the people that

967
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Speaker 8: are Democrats themselves. And I do think it's time for

968
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 8: a new generation of leadership. You know, Cuomo would be

969
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 8: the oldest mayor elected in New York City. I would

970
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 8: represent a completely new generation. And I think it's important

971
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 8: for that because it's not just about age, it's not

972
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 8: just about vision. It's also about what has your record

973
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 8: been and who have you been fighting for and is

974
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 8: that distinct enough from what got us here.

975
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: It's such a strength to be able to unequivocally like

976
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: bash Democratic leadership because they are so unpopular with the

977
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: entire country also at this point with the Democratic base,

978
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: and so that he feels no qualms about biling.

979
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are a lot of problems there. They're corrupt, they.

980
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Caused a lot of issues that's gonna be appealing outside

981
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: of just like a hardcore progressive base.

982
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: So part of that Quinnipiac pole, which is making waves

983
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: yesterday again whether you believe it or not, is actually

984
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: the most unpopular thing in that poll was the Democratic Party.

985
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: Is the Democratic Party approval rating has just twenty one percent,

986
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: disapprove is seventy, So running against it, you're an idiot

987
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: and you're I've been a gas at the Democrats honestly,

988
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 3: Like we talked about the DNC, but I never thought

989
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 3: I'd be in a position to defend David Hogg.

990
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: They destroyed this man for nothing.

991
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to primary people who are like

992
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: not standing up for our values, and then they removed

993
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: him using some d I like gender component.

994
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: It's like a cartoon, that's a character. What does he do?

995
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: All this guy played ball every step of the way.

996
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: He defended Biden. You know this is He's not.

997
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: Some Bernie Sanders shit lib. And all he said was hey,

998
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: I think we need some new blood. And they cut

999
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: his head off. Yeah, they killed him.

1000
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1001
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: Politically, I mean I can't believe it.

1002
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: I can't believe they would do that to I really

1003
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: do think if you're a young Democrat and out there,

1004
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: you need to stand up for David Hawk, Like, it's

1005
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: not right what they did.

1006
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: To They nuked him.

1007
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: Even James Carville said that he agreed with him, Yeah,

1008
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: and they still took him out. I'm aghast, Yeah, honestly,

1009
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: at the level of control that these people.

1010
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: Have so uselessly unbelievable. It's truly unbelievable.

1011
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: So for Zorn to be like, yeah, yes, that's to

1012
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: be free, I mean he's you know, that's like that

1013
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: is a strength. And I think one of the things

1014
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: that we've been looking at to is the demographics where

1015
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: he's strungest and if you're looking for someone who appeals

1016
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: to the bros Zora and is really clean up in

1017
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 2: that department. And I think part of it is because

1018
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: of this orientation, because he's anti system, and I think,

1019
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, part of what's going on here is that

1020
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: is actually more important than where.

1021
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: He is on the ideological spectrum.

1022
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: People feel like, oh, he's different, he's willing to criticize

1023
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: his own party. Qualmo, let's put you five up on

1024
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: the screw was the last piece here. Quomo's main argument

1025
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: against him is that he's not experienced enough, that he

1026
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have enough governance experience, which you know, at the

1027
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: mayor level, this is someone who actually has to do

1028
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: a real job. Things need to happen for the city's residence.

1029
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: The trash needs to be picked up, the snow needs

1030
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: to be removed. Like there's contentious local governance issues, and

1031
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: so he's trying to make the most of that that

1032
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: he can.

1033
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: And Zoron is only thirty three years.

1034
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: Old, so that Cuomo is in effect running a very

1035
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: sort of standard issue establishment playbook.

1036
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 4: I'm the one who has the experience. You can trust me.

1037
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: You may not love me, that's okay, But I'm the

1038
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: one that you know and can trust, and I can

1039
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: you handle the city, and I know what to do.

1040
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, that guy's an anti Semite.

1041
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 2: That's basically his playbook. And look, it may be enough.

1042
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: It might be, but I think you have to if

1043
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: you just look at the trajectory of the polls. Right now,

1044
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: Zorn has all of the momentum. He sucked up all

1045
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: of the oxygen in the room. The AOC endorsement, I

1046
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: do think is actually going to be significant because Zorn

1047
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: has has lagged in terms of appeal to women that

1048
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: I think she could help in that department. She also

1049
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: just gives him some legitimacy, you know, given that he

1050
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: does have, you know, a small amount of experience and

1051
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: is relatively young. Like having this AOC who's now a

1052
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: titan of New York City politics, have her give her

1053
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: blessing I think is significant as well. I think it's

1054
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: pretty likely Bernie is going to come in for him

1055
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: to last minute.

1056
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: It's a little bit last minute though, I mean it

1057
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: is Saturday, so or sorry next Tuesday.

1058
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a lot.

1059
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: He responded, like, stay tuned or so. So I think

1060
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 2: that he probably is going to come in as well.

1061
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: And I do think they start voting like this weekend,

1062
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: so it is.

1063
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Speaker 3: Yor last between rank choice, early vote and then taking

1064
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: like nine months to get their balance.

1065
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Speaker 2: We'll find out that the election results this year, next year,

1066
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: this time, something like that. In any case, very interesting race,

1067
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Speaker 2: and I think part of the reason to cover at

1068
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: New York City obviously is consequential in and of itself,

1069
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: but also for taking the temperature of where the democratic

1070
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: base is I think is also significant here. Very different

1071
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: than the dynamics set unfolded when Eric Adams was elected.

1072
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Speaker 1: Very true.

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