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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that gives you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music,

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Speaker 2: and more. We're not gonna do that today, Well we will.

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Speaker 1: But we will und around to it. Yeah, we'll get

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Speaker 1: a round to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan run Tug and Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Today we are bringing back out of a combination of

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Speaker 2: ad hoc need and laziness and listener feedback, we're bringing

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Speaker 2: back a beloved installment. I can say beloved right. We

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Speaker 2: had one of them and it went over well, went

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Speaker 2: over really well. I loved that.

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Speaker 1: I've been pushing for us for a while. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: That's true, you have. Yeah, so our inaugural stumped the Buff.

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Speaker 2: Jordan was doing Beatles trivia and I was doing horror

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Speaker 2: movie trivia, and Stump of the Buff is just what

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Speaker 2: it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: You know, you were asking each other trivia.

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Speaker 2: Questions about our pet obsessions, about our pet obsessions of

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Speaker 2: increasingly not increasingly. Jordan puts a lot of thought into this.

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Speaker 2: I don't but a very granular nature, and so we've

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Speaker 2: been trying to pitch another one that would have the

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Speaker 2: same kind of hilarious dichotomy as horror movies and the Beatles.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we quite nailed the brief as much.

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Speaker 2: I disagree. Okay, okay, So this week on Stumped Above,

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Speaker 2: Jordan is going to be testing his knowledge of the

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Speaker 2: Titanic ship and movie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you tell me he came up with

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Speaker 1: the questions for me. Okay, it's gonna be both. It's

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Speaker 1: both good good good, And I'm gonna be testing Haigel

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Speaker 1: on his knowledge about punk rock.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I have to give the caveat that

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Speaker 2: I kind of tune out by the late nineties. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be doing what you know, many people of

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Speaker 2: our demo and Above would consider the classic era. I know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, dude, people consider Blanquinity too classic punk now.

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Speaker 2: But for all intents and purposes, we're going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about, you know, the birth of it from the

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Speaker 2: late seventies into the mid nineties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know that this is punk rock

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Speaker 1: as defined by me, So you might be like, what

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Speaker 1: the hell's this? That's also true?

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Speaker 2: That could happen so we have not seen each other's

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Speaker 2: questions in advance. We are off to the races. And

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Speaker 2: that is as much of an intro as I'm going

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Speaker 2: to summon at this exact moment. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: I say that at the end after a great start, George,

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Speaker 2: do you want to go ahead? Or should I give

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Speaker 2: you a launch?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me start, unless you don't can follow me,

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Speaker 1: because I did try to put this into some form

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Speaker 1: of a shape. I have seven rounds for a total

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Speaker 1: of fifty questions.

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Some of them are themed rounds. Some of

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Speaker 2: them are bag We're not doing that, We're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've already done it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like an a clockwork orange.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna gonna tie you down, pry your eyes

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Speaker 1: open so you can see me on the zoom, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pummel you with questions about punk rock

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Speaker 1: bodily functions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, here's your inaugural, here's your here's your

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Speaker 2: here's your opener, and tell me this is if this

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Speaker 2: is too granular, and.

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Speaker 1: I will adjust.

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Speaker 2: On April tenth, the Titanic left the Southampton Dock narrowly

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Speaker 2: escaped a collision with another ship.

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Speaker 1: SS New York. Yeah, it was really crazy. The ship

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Speaker 1: was so big that the suction it drew from its

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Speaker 1: just drawn to the Titanic like a giant magnet, much

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Speaker 1: like me as a child. And the ship grew terrifyingly

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Speaker 1: close and nearly rammed the side of the Titanic before

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Speaker 1: it left the dock at Southampton. So it's made the

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Speaker 1: voyage was nearly over before it started, which you know,

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Speaker 1: So it's very It's a lot of a lot of fate,

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Speaker 2: No, I anticipate that's how a lot of these will

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Speaker 2: be going. Here is your official scorecard. Sound am I

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Speaker 2: living mas? Yeah? All right, there we go. One point

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm not keeping score.

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Speaker 2: Jordan. You did that last time and I won, But

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Speaker 2: you did you? Oh, okay, I win in the in

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Speaker 2: the spirit, if not the letter.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, you went in the fact that you're married

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Speaker 2: several Okay, okay, okay, we do clusters. What was the

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Speaker 1: who said that he was like, you know, had a

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Speaker 1: I think he was a stoker. He was a relative.

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Speaker 1: Like twelve passengers departed, and one of whom was a

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Speaker 1: It was the Titanic sister ship. He was paid six

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Speaker 1: He was rescued after falling into the river Hull.

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Speaker 2: He died in fifty seven and is buried in Hull

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Speaker 2: Good's well? That ends well for John Coffey.

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Speaker 1: Was his death maritime related or aquatic related?

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Speaker 2: So, which was the first lifeboat to be lowered from

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Speaker 2: I know, And that's what you warned me. And so

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Speaker 2: And it was only filled with nineteen yes out of

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Speaker 2: Very good, very good. And do you know which prominent

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Speaker 1: I forget a first time somebody Gibson, Dorothy and Dorothy

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Speaker 2: Titanic Saved from the Titanic YEP, released a month after sinking.

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Speaker 1: Incredible. Yeah, don't let them tell you that, like you know,

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Speaker 1: Who do we got under contract? Who survived the Titanic?

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Speaker 2: Deep exhale of cigar smoke?

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying about how oh yeah, I mean her performance.

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Speaker 2: Well, it gets worse. She moved to Paris after the

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Speaker 2: fire in nineteen fourteen.

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Speaker 1: The Prince perished.

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Speaker 2: The prints were tragically died of diabetes related to common

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Speaker 2: Oh too soon, Yeah to sou rimp, Shelley de Vall,

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Speaker 2: How could you?

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Well I'm one for three.

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Speaker 2: Geez, you want to do? You wanna change over? Give

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Speaker 2: me two more, give me, give me one more, two more. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so let's see what we got here.

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Speaker 1: Mine are so much easier than yours. I mean I

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Speaker 1: looked for hard stuff. Oh no, good, of course.

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Speaker 2: Like I was like, do you know which lifeboat the

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Speaker 2: unsinkable Molly Brown was in?

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Speaker 1: I want to say?

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Speaker 2: Eight?

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Speaker 1: Am I about to live Moss? Six? Yeah, there was

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Speaker 1: a fact about Molly Brown in my Titanic thread I

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Speaker 2: It was me. It was me and Steve Jones. Paul,

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Speaker 1: He said that he'd seen Johnny Rotten backstage at the

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: This is good, this is good. I get to sprawl. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They'rey incredible. They are. I mean, I think like

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Speaker 2: legendary DIY fiercely leftist band. MxPx would not have said

437
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: Scott sucks. They I think they were like peers with

438
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: a lot of nineties punk bands. Actually, who are the

439
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: other people?

440
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: No use for a name and tilt.

441
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: Those are blind spots for me.

442
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: Moving on. This isn't strictly sca, but it feels Scott Jason.

443
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: So that's why I felt.

444
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were going to be bringing in Scott. No,

445
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: this isn't Scott, This isn't Scott.

446
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What legendary punk has alter ego?

447
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Buster Poindexter of Hot Hot Hot Fame.

448
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's my boy, I know, That's why I asked it.

449
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: God by my blank on, his name's New York Dolls frontman. Oh,

450
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: come on, god, what the fuck is that dude's name?

451
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: David Johansen.

452
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't know that until very recently.

453
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.

454
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: Saw him as Buster Pointdster.

455
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: What yeah? Do this?

456
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: Why? Why? Because?

457
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: Well? So, first of all, I mean he is truly

458
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: a repository of twentieth century American music. I mean he's no, yes, no, no,

459
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: I mean he's way more into like Delta blues, also

460
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: Calypso music, and like because the.

461
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: Song was written by like a Monserrat Soca artist.

462
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's that's so, That's that's what I'm saying.

463
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: He he like New York Dolls, was like a total

464
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: laugh when you consider his wider interests. I mean, he's

465
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: sung with a lot of famous blues groups. He knows

466
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: all kinds of obscure pre war stuff, and Buster Poinsacer

467
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: was like an outlet for this. And I saw him

468
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: at the Cafe Carlisle, and I had been pitched an

469
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: interview with him, so I did get to interview him.

470
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 2: Now my turn to name drop. But I saw him

471
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: and he was just he First of all, his band

472
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: was amazing, like all jazz players, and so he did

473
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: all these lipso songs, he did a bunch of early

474
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: like R and B jump music, and he was just

475
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: he's he's a character, like he's truly not David Johansson

476
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: when he's Buster Poindexter. And he was doing all of

477
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: these like hilarious ad libs and long introduction.

478
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: Into between songs.

479
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: The one that stuck with me was my doctor told

480
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: me to keep it to one drink a day. So

481
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: this one's from April fourteenth, twenty six forty. Yeah. And

482
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: when I he, I mean I was kind of green

483
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: when I interviewed him, and he got me. I asked

484
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: him what I thought was a quite reasonable question, which

485
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: is like, you're one of the you know, more famous

486
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: New York celebrities who's elected to stay in Staten Island,

487
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: and like live in Staten Island. Staten Island's your home base,

488
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: and I wonder if you could, you know, tell me

489
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: why that is what you love about it. And he

490
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: just there's a brief pause and he just goes, well,

491
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: I hear the Fairyes, nice, like a really reasonable question.

492
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I don't think this is anything else.

493
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 2: From that interview, he was cool man, He was pretty generous.

494
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: He said at one point he was like, well, I

495
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: don't know that you. I don't know if you know this,

496
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: but Staten Island's actually home to many of the great

497
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: think tanks in American politics. And I was like really

498
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: and he was like no, but yeah, I mean he's

499
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: in Scrooge. He's the cab driver in Scrooge. We mentioned

500
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: he has a cameo and Adventures of Pete and Pete.

501
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: He has a great solo record that he performs songs

502
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: off of. I think the one song on there is

503
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: called Heart of Gold, just a great song. Yeah. So

504
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 2: he does Harry belly Fonty songs, He does country He

505
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: also does English music Hall.

506
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: He did Lydia the Tattooed Lady.

507
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: He does Rocket eighty eight, which was many people think

508
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: is the first rock and roll song. And when I

509
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: asked him about this breadth of material, he says, I

510
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: dig stuff. I defined myself. I just found this interview.

511
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: I defined myself largely through what I dig, and I

512
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: don't pay much attention to anything that doesn't turn me on.

513
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Well you know what he doesn't dig these days, Hot

514
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: Hot Hot, which he's asking an interview with MPR as

515
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: quote the bane of my existence.

516
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he said. Sometimes you get saddled. He told me,

517
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: sometimes you get saddled with a hit. You go through phases.

518
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: But one time I went to my nephew's wedding and

519
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: the band played it and they made me get up

520
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: and sing it, and I thought, oh God, this thing

521
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: is an albatross around my neck. And if you ever

522
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: want to know what you know, Buster Porndexter ak David

523
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: Johansson's most romantic song because I interviewed him around Valentine's

524
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: Day and he says, Billy Ward in the Dominoes do

525
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: something for me, And he had that right at the

526
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 2: top of his tongue, tip of his tongue sore.

527
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: And baby, can't you see you?

528
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: What something for me? Here's my David Johanson's story. Love him,

529
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: great guy, obviously New York Dolls whip. But he's so interesting.

530
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: It's like if Joey Ramone was like fixated on I

531
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: don't know light opera, which.

532
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: He may well have been. Well, here's one I know

533
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: you have the answer to. But it's an interesting story

534
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: and I want to hear you kill it, so I

535
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: will take the ill. What's unique about the vocal track

536
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: on Bad Brains Sacred Love?

537
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh, it's one of the classic done through phone line songs.

538
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: It was done while HR was in jail. That's correct. Yeah,

539
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: HR is a tempestuous man. I mean he there's lots

540
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: of Bad Brains are pretty contentious. Themsells actually, I mean

541
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: they like are a foundational hardcore band.

542
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, they.

543
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: Inspired the Beastie Boys name and performances, like Yeah, Beastie

544
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: Boys named themselves BEB because they wanted a BB name

545
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: because of Bad Brands and Bad Brains are incredible. I

546
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: mean Daryl Jennifer, Earl Hudson and Doctor No bassist, guitarist, bassist,

547
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: drummer and guitarist, respectively.

548
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: They were jazz freaks.

549
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: Like serious fusion hits, doing like Weather Report and all

550
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: this stuff. And then they heard Ramones and punk rock

551
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: and we're like, oh, we should do this now. And

552
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: Hr was kind of the live wire. His voice is

553
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: obviously insane, and he would do like backflips on stage

554
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: like it really just a one of those front men

555
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: that's just like touched by lightning.

556
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: And that's a reference to their one album cover.

557
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: But if you read American hardcore, which is think Stephen

558
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Blush is an oral history because they were Rastafarian, they

559
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: were deeply homophobic, and they we're coming through Texas and

560
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: they stayed at the home of a Texas, very important

561
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Texas queer punk band named Big Boys, and they asked

562
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: them to score weed and then they did the classic

563
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, we'll leave the money on the desk and

564
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: had left it like left an envelope and peeled out

565
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: of town with the weed. And they opened the envelope

566
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: and there was a note that said fire burn all

567
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: blood clot f slur, thanks for the weed, like later

568
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: or something. Blood clot is a this is another digression,

569
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: but do what blood clot is I do it a lot,

570
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: and like in like any Jamaican music. Really it's a

571
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: homophobic slur that is derived from blood cloth, which was

572
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: like pre sanitary napkins, and so they started calling each

573
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: other that as a denigrative thing because it was, you know,

574
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: connected with women.

575
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, after that incident, in.

576
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Particular, because hardcore was such a closely knit network, really

577
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: linked by phone and like tape trading, like literal letter writing.

578
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: E Maikai would just talk about it just like write

579
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: letters and trade tapes with people. Same with thrash metal,

580
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: people were like yo, bad brains are like deeply homophobic

581
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: and dickheads. So they really did not achieve anything that

582
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: they're not like, they didn't get like a breakthrough. They

583
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: weren't pumped into like epitaph or any of these like

584
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: major like feeder bands. I mean they had some they

585
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: kept going, but I think it was kind of always

586
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: came down to hr and his sort of instability. And

587
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: it was reviewed a couple years ago that he was

588
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: suffering from some rare neurological condition that gave him like

589
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: intense cluster headaches and all this stuff, and I think

590
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: some of his behavior was sort of explained away by that.

591
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're a really interesting case just and like

592
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: the music obviously rips. I mean, they are a superlative

593
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: band of musicians, great songs. Just you know that that

594
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: specific incident and those years of their lives, which I

595
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: think Darryl Jennifer has like apologized for in interviews, like

596
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: he's been like, yeah, that was really of us, but

597
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: it really caused the community to close ranks around them.

598
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: And really because they were also obviously all black guys,

599
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: and which is like such a rarity in that era

600
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: of hardcore. It was like, so, yeah, anyway, sorry, as

601
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: you meditate on that, we'll be right back with more

602
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: too much information after these messages? Was that was that enough?

603
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: I just met back to me.

604
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I think it's back to you. Yeah, okay, you have

605
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: a perfect score.

606
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: By the way, well, I'm willing to take a half

607
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: point for the for the Steve Jones sex pistols. No no, no, no,

608
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: it's not.

609
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Do you how should we should.

610
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: We give you like an easier one?

611
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: But no, no, absolutely not.

612
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: No.

613
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

614
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: One man missed the Titanic because his car broke down

615
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: en route to meet the ship at Cherbourg.

616
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: That's not a question, what was his name?

617
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: I've actually never heard this.

618
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't know this.

619
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, his name on the passenger list, Frank Carlson

620
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: was the man's name. He was booked on the passenger list,

621
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: and we indeed that's his name. But he was one

622
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: of the ones who missed it by circumstance. And I

623
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 2: assume you have a list of others who were notable

624
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: others who were booked and missed.

625
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: JP Morgan was very famous the the Yes, a famous

626
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: American finance here who owns the parent company that owns

627
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: the Titanic. If I phrase that right, International Mercantile or Marine.

628
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I amm just a huge power player. Wasn't there a

629
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: story that Hershey or Hershey's wife, Milton Hershey's wife was

630
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be on it or something.

631
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: I have a few here. What was Henry clay Frick,

632
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: who is an American steel magnate.

633
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Who coined the praise friggin that's not true, George Vanderbilt.

634
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: Ah, they canceled on April ninth, and one of their

635
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: servants had already boarded. It went down with their luggage

636
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: and the ship. US Ambassador to France, Robert Bacon, had

637
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: reserved passage. Their departure was delayed by the tardy arrival

638
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: of the new ambassador who was taking over, and they missed.

639
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Milton Hershey, Yeah, I'm on. In the Hershey Archives, one

640
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: of the most intriguing moments of Milton Hershey's life was

641
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: his narrow escape from the sinking of the Armis Titanic.

642
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: Milton Hershey had originally booked a passage on the o

643
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: fated liner, but a last minute change in plans saved

644
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: us life. In our collection the Hershey Community Archives, as

645
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: a canceled check for three hundred dollars written to the

646
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: White Star Line the Titanic's line on December eighteenth, nineteen eleven,

647
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: ten percent deposit to reserve a room which went for

648
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: three grand. Three grand in nineteen twelve is an absurd

649
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: amount of money. That's like fifty sixty grand today. Mister

650
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: Hershey and his wife had spent a significant amount of

651
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: time in Europe. Much of that time has spent seeking

652
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: relief from Kitty's health problems. We stemmed from a chronic illness.

653
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: The illness was never fully diagnosed, but it appears to

654
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: have been progressive and neurological in nature. Hershey's been wintering

655
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: in France. Nice France. But in early nineteen twelve, Milton

656
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Hershey determined he needed to return to his business in

657
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: the town of Hershey, Pennsylvania, earlier than his booking on

658
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: the Titanic would accommodate, so he changed his reservation.

659
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's see if this is too niche

660
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: can you name the Belfast or Belfast shipyard or the

661
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: number at which the Titanic was designed and constructed.

662
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: It was the Harlan and Wolf Shipyard. The number I

663
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: think you're referring to is the ship's number that was

664
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: given to the hull that was being built, because the

665
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: ship's names can change, but the whole number is consistent,

666
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: and that was four to oh one.

667
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: And double double whammy. I'm fine with the wording you

668
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: two live mass for that, I need the two.

669
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: And there's this whole conspiracy theory, and it's a dumb

670
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that the Titanic was switched with her sister

671
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: ship who had been damaged in a collusion at sea

672
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: and some I don't even want to get into it

673
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: because it's not that interesting, but basically an insurance fraud

674
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: scheme that they were going to try to sink the

675
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: damaged Titanic sister ship by pretending I google the.

676
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 2: Titanic switch theory.

677
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: It's not that interesting. But anyway, when divers went down

678
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: to the Titanic, they could see the ship's propeller which

679
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: is still attached to the ship's stern and you can

680
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: actually see etched in the propeller four to oh one,

681
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: which proves that it was still the Titanic, not the

682
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: Titanic sister ship.

683
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that was all very correct. Can you for bonus points?

684
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: Oh?

685
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I need bonus points?

686
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Named the marine architect who work with chief designer Thomas Andrews.

687
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're gonna say his name and I'll remember.

688
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember off hand.

689
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: I'll give you a hand. Yeah.

690
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: His initials are A C. Alexander Carlyle bam.

691
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, bonus. Where's my hang on?

692
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: I got it?

693
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: There you go.

694
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't have any real interesting stories about Alexander Carlyle,

695
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: but Thomas Andrews is famous to most people who are

696
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, are in any way interested in the Titanic

697
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: because he's played by Victor Garber in the Titanic movie

698
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: and he's.

699
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: Character actor Victor Garber.

700
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Yes, he's the guy who in the ship's going down.

701
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: He gives Rose his life belt and says, I wish

702
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: I could have built Chabetta ship Rose, and he's last seen.

703
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: According to Titanic lore, he spent the ship's last moments

704
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: just kind of wandering around in shaw and he was

705
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: last seen in the Titanic smoking room, just standing by

706
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: the fireplace. In reality, he worked very hard to try

707
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: to save people. He was seen running around throwing deck

708
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: chairs and basically anything that floated overboard so that people

709
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: could have kind of make shift rafts and stuff. And

710
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: he made no attempt to get into a lifeboat himself

711
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: or save himself. So no, he's somebody who. And he

712
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: was very well liked by the crew too. He was

713
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: always he was famous for making just little nods to

714
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: their comfort, like installing extra water bubblers.

715
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: That's my new England coming through water bubblers, water.

716
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: Fountains for the ship's firemen and crew down in the

717
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: in the boiler rooms and stuff. And yeah, he was

718
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: a very well liked man. Oh yeah, no, I'm sad.

719
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, give me a question about like the potato

720
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: peeling room or something. On the Titanic, there was a

721
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: room dedicated to peeling potatoes.

722
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: Why did you need a whole? I guess there were

723
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: a lot of potatoes. Yeah, you know. Uh name the

724
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: youngest surviving passenger of the Titanic. She's got a weird

725
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: twentieth century American name, Melvie and a Dean bam one

726
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: more live moss for Georgie.

727
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: And she was the last surviving Titanic survivor. She died

728
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: in I think two thousand and nine. I think she

729
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: was like something like nine months old when the ship sank,

730
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: so she would have been what ninety nine weeks old?

731
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: Nine weeks old? Oh man, Okay, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

732
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Although there are stories and I don't remember their names,

733
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: but there are people whose mothers were pregnant with them

734
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: aboard the Titanic who were then saved, or at least

735
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: they claim, I mean, I guess it's verifiable. So there

736
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: are I don't know, if I can't imagine there are

737
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: any fetuses. No, they would be one hundred and twelve,

738
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: So no, there are probably no people who were alive

739
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: as fetuses unborn fetuses on the type Tic.

740
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: At this point, she was a cartographer working for the

741
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 2: British government during World War Two.

742
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, give me one more.

743
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: Okay, name the US based firm who is claiming ownership

744
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: of the Titanic, RMS Titanic Incorporated.

745
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: Yes, which bex Is just announced. AA.

746
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of a gimme. But I know that you

747
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: knew that because you loved ship sunk in ship lore. Yeah,

748
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: I mean there's not a lot of lore.

749
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: I think it was just like a consortium got together

750
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: and once it was discovered and named itself fat Well.

751
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Admiralty law claims that sunken vessels in international waters are

752
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, not able to be claimed.

753
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah.

754
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. White Star Lane had obviously evaporated by the time

755
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: the ship was discovered in nineteen eighty five. There was

756
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: literally no paper trail left, but no insurance company. Liverpool

757
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: and London, who paid out on some of the passenger policies,

758
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: actually took RMS Titanic Ink to court settled. Nothing beats

759
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: an insurance company.

760
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: I think that the biggest insurance claim that was taken

761
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: out for an item lost on Titanic was for a painting.

762
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: It was one of those terms of like a fat

763
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: kid and a dog.

764
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: It was a painting by Mary Joseph Blondell called La

765
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: circusan Albaan. I don't know what that means, but it's

766
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: it's a picture of a woman in a some kind

767
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: of outdoor shower, and it is the most valuable item

768
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: lost aside from you know, human life. The insurance claims

769
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: for one hundred thousand dollars, which is about three million

770
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: dollars today, okay, which is very crazy. So it's the

771
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: most highly valued item lost. And in terms of just

772
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: a recovery, artifact recovery, and it's getting back to the

773
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: Titanic incorporated stuff. They are not allowed to through some

774
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: kind of law. I don't really know specifically what it is.

775
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: They're not allowed to recover items from inside the wreck itself,

776
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: presumably because it's it's some way that it's classified either

777
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: as an historic place or as a grave site, or

778
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: some combination of the two. So they're only able to

779
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: recover items that are from the debris field because the

780
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: ship broke in two and it sank and it just

781
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: spilled out all the stuff. The technical term in a

782
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a called I want to

783
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: say it's like a mile So it's just like a

784
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: mile space just strewn with you know, a boiler with

785
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: a china teacup on top, and a piece of you know,

786
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: a staircase, and then a suitcase, and then I mean

787
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: a piece right I do I own a piece of

788
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: deck wid from the Titanic.

789
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Guess all right? All right, so that's I got five

790
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: out of six, got a good bonus. We have come

791
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: and thank you.

792
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: It was very generous if you. We have now arrived

793
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: at a round that I like to call what's in

794
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: a name? Now, most of these are probably pretty easy,

795
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: but at least but we'll start. We'll start soft, which

796
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: punk rock band named themselves after a term from Aldus

797
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: Huxley's book Brave New World.

798
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the thing that's coming to me immediately is.

799
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: The doors. Obviously that's doors of perception. But I'll give

800
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: you the broadest hint imaginable that probably barely registers as

801
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: a hint. Aldus Huxley famously died November twenty second, nineteen

802
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: sixty three. His death was out shone by the death

803
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: of JFK. I believe his last words were written down.

804
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: He asked his wife or caregiver to shoot him up

805
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: with some heroic dose of LSD to send them out,

806
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: which which I appreciate. Somebody who also died on this

807
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: very day, whose death was also over shown by the

808
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: death of JFK was C. S. Lewis, whose books The Lion,

809
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: the Witch and the Wardrobe and the Chronicles of Narnia

810
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: were known as religious allegories.

811
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, religion is allegories. I actually had a

812
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: book of letters between who was C. S. Lewis and

813
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help you teenage Jesus in the Jerks

814
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: Lyddy Lunches first band. Bad religion, bad religion. Okay, okay,

815
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: did not know that? Do I get minus points? This

816
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: isn't like Jeopardy, right, you don't take no, no, no,

817
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: all right.

818
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: This one's a little easy one because I a little

819
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: easier because I think I've heard you speak of this.

820
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: The scott punk band was named after a nuclear bomb test.

821
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: Oh Operation IVY. Yes, yeah, my boys, oh Man. Operation IVY,

822
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: famously the band that would spawn Rancid. Basist Matt Freeman,

823
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: who was easily the best punk rock bassist of all

824
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: time and frontman Tim Armstrong, who was then going by

825
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: the nom du punk Lint, formed Operation IVY with Jesse

826
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: Matthews and forget the drum Dave Mellow is the drummer.

827
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: I think they taught him to play drums in like

828
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: a week for that band. Yeah, And so they were Berkeley,

829
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: they big Gilman kids. And then the band basically broke

830
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: up after their first and only tour just because they

831
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: were I mean, first of all, they were literal children.

832
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: And then Tim Armstrong spent like a couple of years

833
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: in the gutter. Literally, it's probably why he talks all weird,

834
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 2: and it's definitely where he gets most of the material

835
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: from this music from. And then Matt Freeman, who just

836
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: seems like the sweetest guy. I follow him in on Instagram.

837
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: He just posts about his dogs and taking motorcycle rides

838
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: through like the Bay Area mountains. He said that he

839
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: would form a band, a new band with Tim if

840
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: Tim got sober. Oh yeah, and that band became Rancid

841
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: or a different band that then became Ransom anyway, man, Yeah,

842
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: operation I was great. That's probably as far as I

843
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: get into skat actually, other than like the Specials and

844
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: maybe the Toasters, and I like like one or two

845
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: real big Fish song and maybe a mighty mighty Boston

846
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: song and the Scottilits and the Slackers can you.

847
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Give us a pick it up?

848
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: Pick it up?

849
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: Pick it up?

850
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: Kle Danny Elfman. That's what's funny about skat, is that

851
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: like because there's that same emphasis on the upbeat if

852
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: you're white, which shocker. So many SKA bands were Uh

853
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: it sounds like PoCA because you're super square and you

854
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: can't play it right. Scott of Lights are Jamaican or

855
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: I think they were Jamaican studio musicians. Yeah, they were

856
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: legitimately a just sixties Jamaican band, and so obviously, like

857
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, they have a different rhythmic feel that doesn't

858
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: make it sound so cloyingly relentless.

859
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: All right, this one, this one's.

860
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: An easy one.

861
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Before they were renamed in nineteen eighty nine, what were

862
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: Green Day originally called?

863
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Ah?

864
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: What was Primordial green Day called?

865
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: I know all of their stupid original like EP names

866
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: like ten thousand smoothed out slappy hours? Is it like.

867
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: You know it?

868
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: Because I sort of dimly knew it.

869
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: It's something children right, No, but it sounds very childlike.

870
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't know it.

871
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: Then the Nimrods, Oh, that is interesting. Let me do

872
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: a quick let me do a quick.

873
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: Google circum check check me.

874
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, you're like, uh, Green Day original band

875
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: name blood Rage and then Sweet Children.

876
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: Is there Nonmrods.

877
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing that. Uh uh it might be one

878
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: of their weird side project things. All right, we can

879
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: toss that question out. Okay, okay, there is on discogs

880
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: there's something called the Nimrods, but I do not, for

881
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: the life of me, understand what this actually is.

882
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm I'm challenging it. All right, Okay, that's okay, Okay,

883
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: we'll take it over to the UK. Which punk band

884
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: named their debut album, City Baby Attacked by.

885
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: Rats g GBH, charge or charge GBH. They're one of

886
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: those bands. They're they're that is correct, they were famous

887
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: for They're one of their guys calling I think either

888
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: invented or was like super famous for the liberty spikes hairstyle, Yes,

889
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: that was it, or adopted by one of the sexual

890
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: predators in the casualties or hey, uh what else do

891
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: I know about GBA? Oh?

892
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Man, I just know that song.

893
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: City Baby, City Baby, City Baby tak by.

894
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: Rats, so good for bonus points. What does GBH stand for?

895
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: It's it like a hair treatment or something. It's some

896
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: kind of.

897
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: No, not what I have on the card.

898
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you have in the card?

899
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Grievous bodily harm?

900
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I should have known that, because it's like

901
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: it's like.

902
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: A it's like a police code or something.

903
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it like it's a nine nine nine code or something. Yeah.

904
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: There's also a punk band called nine nine nine of course,

905
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: just the English nine month long correct. Oh good stuff,

906
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: good stuff? All right? Baby about rats here? You're like,

907
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: we just drive around in my saturn blasting that song.

908
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: You'll enjoy this one.

909
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: This New York City band's name was taken from a

910
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: hypnotic sedative also known as ap stumped me.

911
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: They may be obscure. I genuinely don't know gorilla biscuits.

912
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gorilla biscuits. They're not that obscure. They're they're

913
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: you know, in New York hardcore, once it kind of

914
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: got out of the seventy seven punk influence, you started

915
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: to get all these like preppy kind of guys, like preppy,

916
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: posy guys like Youth of Today, Youth and gorilla biscuits.

917
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: I might be showing my ass a little bit here.

918
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: I never really liked this offset of hardcore. I was

919
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: more into chromags. But uh, they were like all about

920
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: like positivity and like staying clean from drugs and like

921
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: loving your bros. And they would dress in like they

922
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: literally dressed in like letterman jackets, like they were just

923
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: so they were so wholesome. Gorilla biscuits. That's so funny.

924
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: I remember, I'm just going on tangents now, but disco

925
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 2: biscuits is British slang right for something. I think it's

926
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: in snatch.

927
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: No, disco biscuits was just another word for a kuailude

928
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: from our Studio fifty four episode. I think unless there's

929
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: a different meeting over there, then I'm.

930
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: Gonna take umbrage with guy Ritchie because I can I

931
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: can hear Jason Statham saying this about the Russian guy

932
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 2: took too many disco Russian disco biscuits to the head

933
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: and eat Russian disputations. Is that some kind of Cockney

934
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: slang thing, That's what I thought, Jason Statham. I don't know,

935
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 2: maybe they had a different kind of biscuit over in Britain,

936
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: or maybe it's just anything sounds good coming out of

937
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: Jason Stath and is really.

938
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: The more whole of that story?

939
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: All right, Great gorilla biscuits that's funny. But their logo

940
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: is amazing. I forgot about the other crucial aspect of

941
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: their iconography, which is champion. They were like so defined

942
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: by like champion hoodies, like on this cover, on this

943
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: cover of this one release, the Gorilla, he's got a

944
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: very prominent champion logo on his on his hoodie. Yeah,

945
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: that's so funny.

946
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: All right, all right, last question for the What's in

947
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: a Name?

948
00:51:59,080 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: Round?

949
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: So, just because I find this humorous, I want to

950
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: hear you say it was.

951
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: Henry Rowlands real name Henry Garfield.

952
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: I love.

953
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rollins is so interesting. Uh, you know he had

954
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: he was like a military kid. He got sent to

955
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: some kind of uh I mean he looks like G

956
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: I R.

957
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 3: Joe.

958
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Henry Lawrence Garfield born in d c.

959
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh.

960
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to the Bullets School, which is an

961
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: all male prep school in Potomac, Maryland. Yeah, he got

962
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: really into weightlifting there and and he said that's what

963
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: that's what credit setted him on that track and credited

964
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: him with learning discipline. John Phillips of The Mama's and

965
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 2: the Papas is an alum of the Bullets School. Possible

966
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: c I A plant. John Phillips possible. Uh, never mind, Okay.

967
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: My favorite fact about Henry Rollins was that he worked

968
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: at a Hagen Das.

969
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: Yes with with Ian Mackay.

970
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: That is right, That is right.

971
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

972
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Other famous indie punk figure who was known for his

973
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: ice cream capabilities Thurst and More was an ice cream

974
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: man specializing in chip witches in the Lower East Side

975
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: or before. I bet I don't know. That's funny.

976
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, back to the Titanic. Who headed the

977
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: US inquiry into the Titanic's disaster. He was a senator,

978
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: got his correct three part name, very white. Well, he's a.

979
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: Senator in nineteen twelve. I don't remember.

980
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: William Alden Smith. Yes, yes, The inquiry into the Titanic

981
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: led to a led to major reforms in maritime.

982
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: Safety, including the ice patrols. Where the ice patrol come from?

983
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: And he was also a big railroad safety guy. He

984
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: was a leading advocate for universal safety standards on railroads,

985
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: which made him an enemy of actually the Vanderbilts. Yeah,

986
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: this is this is great. Here's a wonderful thing from

987
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 2: his Wikipedia. Smith was laughed at in the British press

988
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: because uh he was He was nicknamed watertight Smith in

989
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: the British Press because he asked whether the water tight

990
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: compartments which were made to keep the ship afloat, were

991
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: meant to shelter passengers. And then he asked the ship's

992
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: fifth officer, Harold Low, what an iceberg was made of,

993
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: and Low responded, ice I suppose.

994
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Sir, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

995
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: All right, keeping in. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with

996
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: the politics theme for at least one more. Which US

997
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: president had a close friend, Major Archie Butt, a passenger

998
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: on the Titanic who died.

999
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: Taft it was easy, he was the president at the time.

1000
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, Taft was wept openly at butts memorial service.

1001
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: He called him his younger brother, and he had to

1002
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: be led from the podium.

1003
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: You don't think he even smiled a little bit when

1004
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: he said the name Archie Butt.

1005
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: His body was never found, bomber. The only two federal officers, well,

1006
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: the only two, get it.

1007
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good stuff.

1008
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: The only two US officers lost on the Titanic were

1009
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: this gentleman, Major Archie Butt and Frank Millet. And Taft

1010
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: has ordered the construction or supported the construction of Memorial

1011
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: Fountain to two of them in President's Park.

1012
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: I visited the grave at Woodlawn Cemetery of Colonel Archibald Gracie,

1013
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: who is a Titanic survivor. But he was in the

1014
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: water for a really long time and suffered. I forget

1015
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: how he was saved. I think he I believe he

1016
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: was one of the men who just climbed the board

1017
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: and overturned lifeboat and just was like on the backside

1018
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: of it as it as there's an air bubble keeping

1019
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: it afloat, and the air just seeped.

1020
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: Out throughout the night. See these guys like.

1021
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: Surfing on this overturned lifeboat as it sunk lower and

1022
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: lower lower into the freezing water all night. Horrifying. He

1023
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: suffered health effects from that for the rest of his

1024
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: very short life. I think he died and I want

1025
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: to say October November nineteen twelve, just a few months

1026
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 1: after the Titanic sank.

1027
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: Wonderful, and he's buried in Woodlawn. Yeah, let's see what

1028
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: we have for more questions regarding the Titanic. This is

1029
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: an easy one. What was the name of the ship

1030
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: that responded to the Titanic's distress call.

1031
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: The Carpathia, which steamed through an ice field at night

1032
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: at basically top speed. Act's not basically at top speed,

1033
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: putting herself in her passengers at risk to try to

1034
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: make it in time. But by the time they got

1035
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: to meet the lifeboats, they learned that there was nothing left.

1036
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: Carpathia would later be sunk, I believe by a German

1037
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: U boat in World War One in nineteen eighteen.

1038
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: What was the name of the only black man on

1039
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: the Titanic.

1040
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: He had his wife with him too, right, because his family, Yeah,

1041
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: this whole family.

1042
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: I don't know his name.

1043
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: I know there was either a documentary or some kind

1044
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: of a long profile on him. There was something came

1045
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: out about him recently, but I don't know his name.

1046
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: No, his name is Joseph Laroche. He was a Haitian man.

1047
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: He was born into some degree of privilege in Haiti,

1048
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: so he was multi lingual. He was sent to study

1049
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: in France. He spoke English, French and Creole. But in France,

1050
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: where their racist is hell, he wasn't really given many

1051
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: opportunities there, and so he was going to return to

1052
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: Haiti via the Titanic, and apparently the White Star was

1053
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: White Star line was moved to issue a public apology

1054
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: about the racism that some of these people faced on

1055
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: the Titanic with darker skin. He was the only person

1056
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: who spoke English in his family, so he had to

1057
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: he had to relate what was happening to his.

1058
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: Entire family and did he survive?

1059
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: No, so he couldn't follow his family, his wife and

1060
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: daughters into the life boat. And then that family subsequently

1061
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: returned to France just in time for World War One,

1062
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: and his story was largely overlooked until nineteen ninety five

1063
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: when a researcher named Olivier Mendez interviewed his daughter for

1064
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: the Titanic Historical Society, and then June of two thousand,

1065
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: Ebony ran a profile on him, which was probably the

1066
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: first time any publication naturally had paid any attention to him.

1067
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: So that is the story of the lone black man

1068
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: on the Titanic. Wow, what else we got?

1069
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: Um?

1070
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: You did a great job of picking questions that yielded

1071
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: like cool stories. Well, I was really just cheating for horror.

1072
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one which Officer told White Star

1073
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: President Bruce ismay Off when he kept getting in charge

1074
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: of launching Lightboat number five.

1075
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: Sounds like Officer light taller fifth.

1076
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: Officer, Harold Harold Low.

1077
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: That was my second choice. Harold Low was kind of

1078
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: a spitfire. I believe he to keep people from swamping

1079
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: the boat. He fired his service revolver into the air,

1080
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: I believe. But well, as far as we know, to

1081
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: try to, you know, keep people at bay. And I

1082
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: think he swore at somebody. He swore at some there's

1083
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: some issue with him swearing that raised eyebrows. Or so

1084
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: get back or I'll shoot you all like dogs?

1085
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: Nice? Is that in the movie? Did that make it

1086
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: into the movie? Yeah? Did?

1087
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: Hell?

1088
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? In twenty thirteen, a violin belonging to the Titan

1089
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: band leader sold.

1090
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: I will accept the price or the name of the

1091
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: band leader, what about both? Great Wallace Hartley was the

1092
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: band leader and there was an engraved plaque on it.

1093
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: It was a gift from his future wife. I think

1094
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: it was his fiance at the time. I want to say.

1095
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Her name was Maria and was very sweet. And it

1096
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: was found on his body. I believe his body was

1097
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: recovered and it was like a small case that was

1098
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: still strapped to him, and so it was floating in

1099
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: the water. So it was it was damaged by the water.

1100
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know specifics, but because it was damaged

1101
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: in such a way, it could never be played again,

1102
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: so the song can submergent. Well no, I mean, okay,

1103
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: So the last song that was played on it was

1104
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: the last song that was played on the Titanic as

1105
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: it went down. The name of that song has been

1106
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: hotly debated for over one hundred since it happened. Basically,

1107
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: some people believe we got into this in the our

1108
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: Titanic episode. Some people believe it was near My God

1109
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: to the that's kind of the more famous version. And

1110
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: it's also I think he was asked by a friend

1111
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: what he would do if he was stuck on a

1112
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: ship that was sinking, and he told his friend he

1113
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: would play that song as the last song, so that

1114
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: that unlike the Titanic, that holds some water. But there

1115
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: are other people who believe they heard a hymn called

1116
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: song de Tom, which I believe I think translates to

1117
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: song of Autumn. My eight years of friends are failing

1118
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: me right now. So yeah, and I believe it sold

1119
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: for I want to say, two point three million. It

1120
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: was so absurd amount of money, it was like, really

1121
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: one point seven Oh, well, that's a bargain.

1122
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: I've bargain at any price.

1123
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

1124
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment.

1125
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: How many more? One more?

1126
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you're destroying me, by the way.

1127
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: Finally, here's a question that's it might be too hard

1128
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: for you. How many bathtubs were available for third class?

1129
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: There is a lot of talk about schools have thought

1130
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: about it. No, I mean there's a whole the short answers.

1131
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: I want to say two. I think it was two.

1132
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: That is correct. Yes, okay, you should really be giving

1133
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: me like two points for.

1134
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: That, one for men and one for women.

1135
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: Yes, but I might be having this wrong. I think

1136
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: there were showers or the equivalent of showers on board,

1137
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: and there were, I.

1138
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: Mean, it was just different back then.

1139
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: You kind of you had like places to sort of

1140
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: wash up, and that was kind of that past. They

1141
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: also weren't that many toilets either, because this was in

1142
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: the age when cabins aboard ships didn't have bathrooms in them,

1143
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: and that you had shared bathrooms in the hallway. And

1144
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: that was actually one of the things that doomed the

1145
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: Titanic Sister ship that survived into the thirties, was that

1146
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: she was kind of seen as really outdated because she

1147
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: didn't have these bathrooms and you know what they called

1148
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: en suite bathrooms. If she'd have built maybe like even

1149
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years later, two or three years later,

1150
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: she probably would have There's a video by I consider

1151
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: them kids, at least in the realm of Titanic researchers,

1152
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: where you usually have people that are in their sixties, seventies, eighties,

1153
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: they're maybe, you know, in their twenties, early thirties that

1154
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: have spent the last twelve, thirteen, fourteen years trying to

1155
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: make a digitally perfect rendering of the Titanic for VR.

1156
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: You could basically travel through it. It's fully interactive. You

1157
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 1: can open every drawer, every door, or anything you want.

1158
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: You can change the time of day so that the

1159
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: sky looks different on the outside and the lights are

1160
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: on to the inside. They are truly crazy in a

1161
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: way that I can't even fathom, but they are amazing.

1162
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: They're called Honor and Glory is the name of the program,

1163
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: and they have a YouTube account and they have all

1164
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: these really crazy videos, and one of them is answering

1165
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: the question of how many toilets are on the Titanic,

1166
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: and the answer is not many. I want to say

1167
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: it's something like thirty something. I don't have that figure

1168
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: directly my tips. Oh sorry, I was wrong. There are

1169
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty five toilets and some with automatic

1170
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: flushing in third class cabins because a lot of people

1171
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: traveling in third class didn't know what a toilet was,

1172
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of horror stories from third

1173
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: class stewards of just finding what all politely described as

1174
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: piles in the darkened corners of certain hallways because that

1175
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: was gross. Yes, okay, it's just gross. Let's just say

1176
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: it's gross. What you know, what you've I wish you

1177
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: could actually see this right now. My next category is

1178
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: called that's gross. And there's only six of these questions

1179
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: because they just got two gross. The first one, although

1180
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: this wasn't isn't strictly speaking, all that gross, But the

1181
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: guy who it's about assuredly is. And we'll talk more

1182
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: about that after you answer the question. What was buried

1183
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: with punk outlaw gg Allen, as requested in his country

1184
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: song When I Die?

1185
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think wasn't his grave like desecrated? Constantly

1186
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 2: constant yes, with fecal matter. Yeah, I can give you

1187
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: a multiple choice if you want. Yeah, okay, was he

1188
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: buried with all his money? His boy scout uniform, a photo.

1189
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: Of Hank Williams or a bottle of Jim Beam And

1190
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: again this is as requested in his country song when I.

1191
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's if it's in song, I'm assuming

1192
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 2: it's whiskier the Hank Williams picture.

1193
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: Jim Beam.

1194
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: That is correct. Ah. I was really hoping it was

1195
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the Hank Williams thing. To get that one wrong. Yeah.

1196
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: G g Allen Man, what a just a hilarious provocateur.

1197
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: There's a famous picture of him handing one of his

1198
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: records to Johnny Cash, whoa who looks like bewildered. Oh

1199
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: his shirt T shirt? Oh, the band was called The

1200
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: band was called gg Allen and the Murder Junkies. Yeah.

1201
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: I mean he was initially like just this insane provocateur,

1202
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: songs like bite It, you scum, and famous for like

1203
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 2: rolling in blood and encouraging people to piss on him

1204
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: and all this just awful scatological stuff. But then he

1205
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: actually has a rather delightful pivot to country music. There

1206
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: are many people myself included who prefer his country his

1207
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 2: country music. I guess.

1208
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: For years he used to threaten to commit suicide on

1209
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: stage on Halloween, but he was always in jail on Halloween,

1210
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: so he was never able to so he was never

1211
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: able to really make good on that.

1212
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: I guess.

1213
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: On the last night of his life, he was playing

1214
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: a show at a New York club called the Gas Station.

1215
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: It's film, this is on video. He did a few

1216
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: songs before the power went out, and then he trapped

1217
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: the venue, fled the police, and walked the city streets

1218
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: covered in fecal matter and blood, surrounded by adoring girls

1219
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: whom he embraced. He then went to a friend's apartment,

1220
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: snorted reportedly three bags of heroin, and discussed plans for

1221
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: an upcoming recording before nodding out. Several party guests posed

1222
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: for photos with the singer, who they believed to just

1223
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: be unconscious, unaware that he was already dead. His girlfriend

1224
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: at the time, who had actually written to him as

1225
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old when he was in prison, she

1226
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: was on the roof chatting with a friend about her

1227
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: plans to marry Gig at the moment that he was

1228
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: down below dead. It was not until morning that friends

1229
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: realized that he was in fact dead. Par Gg's instructions,

1230
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: his brother put on his band's album Suicide Tapes while

1231
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: he lay in his coffin.

1232
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: Did you know that I didn't? I mean with a

1233
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: suicide on stage?

1234
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: Thing is?

1235
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: I immediately thought of Darby Crash from The Germs, and Germs

1236
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: are lauded as an la hardcore band. I never found

1237
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: very much musically to like about them, but they're famous

1238
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: for performance. In his Decline of Western Civilization the Penoblic

1239
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 2: Spears film, Darby Crash was intentionally going to commit suicide

1240
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: via a heroin overdose, and he chose the day John

1241
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: Lenning got shot to do so.

1242
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: He chose poorly. Speaking of music that punk guys listened

1243
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: to as they were dead or dying, Joey Ramone as

1244
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: he was dying in the hospital but on the U

1245
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: two song in a little while, and Kurt Cobain apparently

1246
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: listened to Automatic for the People by Rim before he

1247
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: shot himself. Okay, next question. In the That's Gross Round

1248
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: on tour in nineteen seventy seven, Joe Strummer of The

1249
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: Clash caught hepatitis.

1250
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: How did this occur?

1251
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: Was it a sleeping in a garbage bin, b someone

1252
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: spatted him and he accidentally swallowed it, c eating a

1253
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: bad curry, or d using a bathtub previously used by

1254
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: one of his rodies.

1255
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: I don't think you can get hepatitis through I mean,

1256
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: now I'm just showing my ass about hepatitis, but I

1257
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: don't think you can get hepatitis from food or bathtubs, right,

1258
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: I mean.

1259
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1260
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: The thing about this time was that the spitting thing

1261
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: was insanely pot like that was just like a rite

1262
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 2: of passage for British punk bands, and it was disgusting.

1263
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 2: And the American bands that came over, like the Ramones,

1264
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: were just like mind boggled to the point of like

1265
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: physical altercation. I'm gonna say it's this bit one.

1266
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: That is correct. Wasn't Johnny Ramone like in Tears when

1267
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: he was like, why are they spitting us?

1268
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't know's there's a lot of weird there's a

1269
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: lot of funny stories about that. Yeah, he's quoted as

1270
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: saying they got it on my guitar.

1271
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: He said. This is a quote from Flaming Groovies Chris Wilson.

1272
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: When they came off the stage, Johnny Ramone was in

1273
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: floods of tears because the punks had been spinning on

1274
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: the band. That was purely a London thing. Nobody did

1275
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: that in New York. I remember him saying, they got

1276
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: it on my.

1277
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: Guitar, they got it on my pick.

1278
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: Oh poor and Joey still didn't know if they had

1279
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: gone down well or not. Did they like us, did

1280
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: they hate us? He couldn't tell because the whole spitting

1281
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: thing really threw him. I read that the spinning thing

1282
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: started apparently because Johnny Rodden had like a sinus problem

1283
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: that led him to like spit a lot, because he

1284
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: was always really congested in the nose and throat, so he.

1285
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: Did have often sinus infections. Yes, the uh, I'm just

1286
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 2: reading now that Spin magazine. Actually, in May of two thousand,

1287
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: Douglas Woke wrote a Brief History of Gobbing. Adam Ant

1288
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 2: reportedly wore an eyepatch than to cover up conjuncti vitis

1289
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 2: he got. Susie Sue got both. Steve Jones rat scabies

1290
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: of the Damned blamed Steve Jones of the sex pistols

1291
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: polystyrene of x ray specs, one of the early trailblazing

1292
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:36,480
Speaker 2: female fronted punk bands blamed sid Vicious.

1293
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: Do you know how rat scabies go?

1294
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: His name.

1295
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: Showed up to an audition for the damned, scratching at

1296
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: his skin condition and the rat. So that was the scabies,

1297
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: and the rat came when he wore presume I read

1298
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: it was a dead rat as an earring Jesus Christ.

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01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's enough about that's really gross or I'm

1300
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 2: sorry gobbing. I have a grocer story, oh wonderful.

1301
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: In Johnny Rotten's autobiography, he writes, it was laughable when

1302
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: Glenn Mattlock was in the band. When Steve Jones would masturbate.

1303
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: He'd pour hot water down a hollowed French loaf, chuck

1304
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: some raw liver in it, and then it the hot water.

1305
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: The hot water would cook the liver, and I suppose

1306
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: he's cooked it too, and then he then set it aside.

1307
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: I would turn up and Steve would say, I'm sorry,

1308
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: I've done it again. Should we make Glenn Mattlock a sandwich?

1309
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: I particularly remember how he used to love how soft

1310
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: the bread was.

1311
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: All Right, that's it. That's the line. I will not

1312
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: go further than.

1313
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: Okay, next question, speaking of bodily fluids, which punk rocker

1314
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: played so ferociously that blood and sweat would leak into

1315
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: his guitar, causing it to short circuit.

1316
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: A problem.

1317
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: A problem is a problem he resolved by turning the

1318
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: volume knob up to ten and soldering it in place

1319
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: and installing a waterproof switch.

1320
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, that's Greg Ginn. He was playing an

1321
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: old Dan Armstrong. I think the plex one of the

1322
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: plexiglass guitars was also played by Keith Richards. And that's

1323
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: why so many Black Flag recordings just start with a

1324
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: squall of hainous feedback because there was no longer any

1325
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 2: it was on or off, and he played so loud

1326
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 2: that he would just flip it on, would just go

1327
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 2: immediately over. Fine. Yeah, Greg Ginn is such an interesting figure.

1328
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: He found it, s ST. Yeah, he was a real

1329
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: he He was a real tinkerer and also a huge

1330
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: grateful dead fan. Hilariously, But and SST, you know, their

1331
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 2: importance cannot be overstated. Uh, not just Black Flag, but

1332
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: Sonny Youth, I think Minute Men, Dinosaur Junior. And but

1333
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 2: the problem is is that gin has famously become like insane,

1334
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 2: the paranoid and controlling of all those master recordings and

1335
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: they all sound like dog because you know, the engineer

1336
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 2: they had spot was not super familiar. He did a

1337
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: perfectly serviceable job. But like they should all be remastered

1338
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: and remixed from the master tapes because they sound horrible

1339
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: and oh Hohoskar Do in particular, God, those Whoskar Do

1340
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: records sound like a hive of bees, which is so

1341
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: annoying because the songs are amazing. But yeah, Gin has

1342
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: famously reformed Black Flag with like a drum machine and

1343
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: whoever vocalist is ego deadened enough to take the job,

1344
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,959
Speaker 2: and I believe it is also like a straight up abuser,

1345
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: a child abuser. So yeah, he sucks. But you know,

1346
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: the architect of one of the most foundational bands in

1347
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: punk history. So what are you going to do?

1348
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, we're on the topic of blood. Just sort of

1349
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: a blood side bar as a story told from legendary

1350
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: rock photographer Bob Grewin. He's most famous to me as

1351
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: the guy who took all those pictures of John Lennon

1352
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: to New York City, you know, with the New York

1353
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: City T shirt and I think over by the Statue

1354
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: of Liberty and all those really iconic mid seventies John Lennon,

1355
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: New York shots. He was traveling with the Sex Pistols

1356
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: and one night the tour stopped on our roadside truck

1357
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: stop and sit had ordered steak and eggs and he

1358
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: was starting to eat right when a local show we say,

1359
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: came by his table and said, you're vicious. Huh, yeah,

1360
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: you're so tough. Let me do this. And the guy

1361
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 1: burned his own hands with a cigarette and Sid replied,

1362
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: can I hurt myself?

1363
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? He took a steak knife, made a deep cut

1364
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 2: into his hand, blood dripped into his eggs and steak,

1365
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: which he kept on eating without missing a beat, and

1366
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: the guy watched and grabbed his family and fled the restaurant. Yeah,

1367
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 2: that's one of the stories recounted in Twelve Days on

1368
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 2: the Road. He also, at one point, I think, carved

1369
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: the words gimme a fix into his chest because he

1370
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: was obviously fiending from heroin, and they would basically he

1371
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: had a full time minder on that tour, and that

1372
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 2: guy's job was to keep Sid from scoring, because as

1373
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: literally as soon as the bus stopped, he would sprint

1374
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 2: out and go to try and find heroin. And the

1375
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: compromise that they accepted was he could drink as much

1376
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 2: peppermin schnops as he wanted, but not heroin.

1377
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: His mother bought him the fatal fix of heroin. Isn't

1378
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: that right? Because he was in jail at Riker's Island

1379
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: for the murder of Nancy and he was released and

1380
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: while he was in prison, he detoks and as soon

1381
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: as he but he was in jail, I want to say,

1382
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: for months and months and months. Yeah, I mean that's

1383
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: the problem. He That's what happens.

1384
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: Tallerance went down.

1385
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his mother bought it for him, and I

1386
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: believe even shot him up. I could be wrong. There's

1387
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: a Final twenty four documentary Final twenty four about his

1388
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: life that gets into the forensics of that, if you

1389
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: care about such things. Okay, back to something a little,

1390
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: a little more lighter. Vomit, who was inspired to form

1391
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: his first band after seeing a Lex Interior of The

1392
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: Cramps Vomit on stage.

1393
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 2: Lux Interior, what I say, Lex? Oh yeah? Lux Interior

1394
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 2: took his name from a car ad Oh well yeah.

1395
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: Famously married to poison Ivy Rorshak, who they one of

1396
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: the most enduring and cute as hell punk rock marriages.

1397
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: They met at university of Akron and bonded over basically

1398
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 2: just being records. They were both into like Hazel Atkins

1399
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 2: and really weird obscure rockabilly, and they're credited with using

1400
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 2: the term psychobilly, inventing the term psychobilly, which has become

1401
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: its own demented subgenre of punk. And Yeah, Lux's trademark

1402
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: move poison ivy is still alive. Lux's trademark move was

1403
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: fitting the entire head of an s M fifty eight

1404
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 2: into his mouth, so that may have backfired and caused

1405
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: him to vomit, But I do not know the person

1406
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: you're referring.

1407
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,879
Speaker 1: To, a young m McKay.

1408
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: Really, that is so funny. I would not have I

1409
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: would not have credited Ian with that. I guess that's

1410
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 2: probably somewhere in either American hardcore or I want to say,

1411
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 2: our band could be your life, but that escaped me.

1412
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: I e. It is just generally considered such a like

1413
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 2: upright example of like punk ethics and this that the

1414
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 2: other through all of his work with Minor Threat and

1415
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 2: Fugazi and the record label Discord, which is probably up

1416
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: there with I mean, it is up there with SST

1417
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: and Epitaph is like they're probably the Big three of

1418
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 2: American punk record labels.

1419
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: That's gross. Wow, this was so gross, Thank you so much.

1420
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: He also threw up at a music festival in Leeds,

1421
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: England in September nineteen eighty one, and he would later

1422
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: say that's when I knew I was a success. I

1423
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: got paid fifteen grand to throw up. So let's move

1424
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: off this now.

1425
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: I love the Cramps. You would probably actually like the Crams.

1426
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you feel about rockabilly,

1427
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 2: but they're like, I know that song from Wednesday Poison five,

1428
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 2: that's the Cramps.

1429
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh Google muck, Yeah that's a cover. But yeah.

1430
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: They were obsessed with all this stuff, man, like really

1431
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 2: deep crate diggers.

1432
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: And if you go into their home.

1433
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: There's like a documentary of on Poison Ivy that has

1434
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: footage of the interior of her home, of their home,

1435
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: and it looks like the museum just all this vintage

1436
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: e femera from the music music industry, Coney Island, free

1437
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: show stuff, California, like drag culture. Poison Ivy is I believe,

1438
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: a three time champion of some racing competition.

1439
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: In this documentary, she.

1440
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: Just like hold it pans over like a series of

1441
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 2: trophies that she won for racing.

1442
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: I knew Miriam Lena a little bit. She was the

1443
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: founding drummer of the Cramps. I believe because she went

1444
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: on to run Norton Records, which is like a reissue

1445
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: label that has a lot of like obscure fifties and sixties,

1446
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: like proto grunge garage type stuff and a lot of

1447
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: weird stuff I used to DJ out. And she later

1448
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: wrote a book about the death and I believe murder

1449
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: of Bobby Fuller, who sang I fought the law and

1450
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 1: the law won. She wrote a book with Bobby's brother,

1451
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 1: and that's a story that is fascinating me for years.

1452
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller wound up dead and his mother locked inside

1453
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: his mother's car, covered in gasoline and bruises, with a

1454
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: broken finger, and cops refused.

1455
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: To investigate further. They said they marked it a suicide.

1456
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: And when his family was like, he didn't beat himself

1457
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: up and cover himself with gasoline, somebody clearly did this

1458
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: to him, they said, oh, you shouldn't ask any questions

1459
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: about this or else you might get hurt. And that

1460
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: was nineteen sixty six, so almost sixty years ago, and

1461
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: his death is still marked a suicide and no one

1462
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: knows what happened.

1463
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it.

1464
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you one more that's not gross.

1465
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: We need a palette cleanser off of that. This one's

1466
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: more fun. Please name it's a two parter sort of

1467
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: or a six parter depingdon on how you view it.

1468
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: Please name three things that the ramones want to do

1469
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: and three things that ramones don't want to do.

1470
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: Be your girlfriend, sniff some glue, be sedated, walk around

1471
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 2: with you, go down to the basement. Hear it. I

1472
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: don't want to hear it? Is that one. That's the

1473
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 2: last one. I'm the third. Don't want to is the

1474
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: one I'm blanking on. But I'm pretty sure I got

1475
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 2: the rest of those, Oh grow up are you? Including

1476
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to grow up in there?

1477
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: The ramones don't want to songs are I don't want

1478
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: to be learned, I don't want to be tamed. I

1479
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: don't want to die in the basement. I don't want

1480
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: to get involved with you, and I don't want to

1481
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: walk around with you. But the ramones do want to

1482
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: be sedated, be well, be your boyfriend, want to live

1483
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: and now I want to sniff some glue.

1484
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: So there's I don't want to grow up, which Tom

1485
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: Waits covered, and then there's it's not be killed in

1486
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 2: the basement, it's go down to the basement because we

1487
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: talked about that's on the debut record, and that's like,

1488
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 2: that's the one famous to me because it's about like

1489
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: early slasher movies.

1490
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: All right, all right, one more round the piece, even

1491
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: though I'm not I have no chance of coming back.

1492
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: As the Titanic saying, which wealthy passenger changed into formal

1493
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: attire and is attributed with the quote we're dressed up

1494
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 2: in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen.

1495
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: But we would like a brandy at least that's what

1496
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 1: James Cameron had him say. Benjamin Guggenheim, who is related

1497
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: to the famous Guggenheim family.

1498
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 2: Correct for bonus point, who is he traveling with on the.

1499
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: Show his They would refer to them at the time

1500
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: as his valet, his man's servant.

1501
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 2: I no, not just the valet. Oh yeah, oh, I'm

1502
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: not sure who you're referring to. A French singer Leontine

1503
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: o'bert mistress. I didn't know that she is portrayed in

1504
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: the film.

1505
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that kind of she's got a big old hat,

1506
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: big old hat.

1507
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 2: What was the final message sent from the Titanic's wireless room.

1508
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh, this is creepy, Okay, So it was two v's.

1509
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: There's morse code v's. But the sound of that sounds

1510
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: like Beethoven's fifth Dunt dun dun duh dun dundu du

1511
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: It was the rhythm of dun dun dundun dot dot

1512
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 1: dot dot dash uh.

1513
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, no one.

1514
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: Knows, but it's thought that that was some kind of

1515
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: weird bit of Gallows humor because all the all the

1516
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: wireless operators at this time that were like basically the

1517
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: computer it nerds of the era, they all had their

1518
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: own senses of humors. They would all refer to each

1519
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: other when talking to each other over wireless as old

1520
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: man like you know, as like as like a fake

1521
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: upper crust, like like teasing one another. Yeah, and so

1522
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: they all had like their own slang and lingo.

1523
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 2: And then they were nerds.

1524
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean again, they were like the the equivalent of

1525
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: like our current day like it people. And so there's

1526
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: a thought that that was like a last little bit

1527
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: of Gallows humor, which is weird because right before there

1528
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: were two wireless operators, Jack Phillips who died and Harold

1529
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: Bride who survived. Right before they fled the wireless room,

1530
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: some guy came into the room and tried to steal

1531
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: one of their life fests, and they had to beat

1532
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: him up quite badly. So that whips.

1533
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually I did. I'm taking your word for

1534
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: that because I have here. The final message was CQD

1535
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 2: Titanic calling, come at once, we have struck a burg.

1536
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: So the last thing that's kind of the first thing

1537
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: they said, Okay.

1538
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Well take that trivia dot FYI. So yeah, I'm gonna

1539
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: call that for you. Here's an obscure one. Provide me

1540
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 2: with either the name or the writer's name of the

1541
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty nine novel with a number of eerie similarities

1542
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: to the tragedy of the Titanic.

1543
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 1: Yes, we talked about this on the Titanic movie episode

1544
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Morgan Robertson, MARYL. Robertson. It was called Futility the Wreck

1545
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: of the titan Yeah, and it was written.

1546
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: You know, what did you say, eighteen ninety eighteen eighty nine.

1547
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so more than twenty years before the Titanic sank.

1548
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,839
Speaker 1: The ship was called the titan It struck an iceberg

1549
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: in the North Atlantic and went down by the head,

1550
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 1: which the same way the Titanic sank, and it was

1551
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: a great loss of life because it weren't enough lifeboats.

1552
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: Both sailed in April. Both could carry three thousand people.

1553
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: Titan was eight hundred feet long, the Titanic was eight

1554
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two and a half feet long, and

1555
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: both ships could reach speeds of twenty five knots.

1556
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty weird.

1557
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 2: It is super weird.

1558
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: And then he was interviewed after the Titanic sank. You know,

1559
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: everyone was just like, what are you psychic? What's going on?

1560
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I just really like boats. I just

1561
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: and he said something to the effect of, I really

1562
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: am interested in boats, and I just follow boating trends

1563
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: and like, this is just that's what happens.

1564
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: I predicted this. Yeah, that's so creepy.

1565
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: By just knowing a lot about boats, I guess he

1566
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: just knew like all the stuff that could go wrong

1567
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 1: and the way ships were being built, and yeah, this might.

1568
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: Be another gimme. But what was the name of the

1569
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 2: ship received The Titanic's distress call and elected not to help.

1570
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 1: It didn't receive, okay, the SS Californian, it didn't receive.

1571
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: So this was in the era when wireless was not

1572
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,480
Speaker 1: seen as a safety feature on a boat. A wireless

1573
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: was installed as basically a luxury item to allow people

1574
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: to contact relatives on land, so it was not a

1575
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: twenty four hour a day service. Ships only frequently only

1576
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: had one wireless operator who would work office hours and

1577
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: then go to sleep. So that's what happened on this ship.

1578
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: In fact, this ship, the Californian, had tried to get

1579
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: in touch with the Titanic shortly before it struck the iceberg,

1580
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: and the Titanic's wireless operator literally said to him these

1581
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 1: are exact words, shut up, shut up. I am busy

1582
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 1: because the Titanic's wireless system had broken down the night before,

1583
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: and they'd been up all night trying to fix it.

1584
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: So there was a huge backlog of like, you know, hi,

1585
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: we're having a wonderful time on the Titanic, notes from

1586
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: rich passengers to just get out there. So he had

1587
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: a run. He hadn't slept the night before because he

1588
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: was fixing this wireless set, had a ton of work

1589
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: to do.

1590
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:10,919
Speaker 2: Do you know the name of the man.

1591
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: Groves?

1592
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,440
Speaker 2: No, maybe on the Titanic, on the on the Californian,

1593
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,839
Speaker 2: it was Cyril Evans.

1594
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: Cyril I did know that, actually, so yeah, he so

1595
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: the Titanic told him shut up, I'm busy, so basically said, okay,

1596
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: he turned off his wireless set and went to sleep.

1597
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: It gets a little thorny when apparently the officers on

1598
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: the Californian and the captain, Stanley Lord, saw rockets on

1599
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 1: the horizon and rockets at sea means distress that Titanic

1600
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: was shooting off basically distressed flares, and they reportedly did

1601
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: see these rockets but elected to not pursue the matter further.

1602
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not totally sure off the top of my

1603
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: head why that was. And it ruined this man's life,

1604
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: the captain of the Californian, Stanley Lord. I think he

1605
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: was fired and he was pilloried in the press. He

1606
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: was kind of a broken man for the rest of

1607
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: his life, which I don't necessarily yeah, I don't necessarily

1608
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: think it was deserved. I don't know offhand too much

1609
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: about In the press, it was seen as if he

1610
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: just you know, left these people to die. I'm sure

1611
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: there was some kind of reason because he was tired

1612
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: and wanted to nap. I think they were ten miles away,

1613
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: which wasn't that far, and the Carpathia was like fifty

1614
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: miles away. Yeah, that's not a great look.

1615
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 2: No, okay, here's a weird This is only tangentially Titanic related,

1616
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 2: so this might be a bit of a gotcha. But

1617
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 2: this is according to a January twenty fifth, two thousand

1618
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 2: and one article from United Press International Akaupi, which country

1619
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 2: and their highly conservative religious sect of violent rulers were

1620
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 2: jailing barbers for giving them the Leo haircut from the Titanic.

1621
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: They movie, they have previously, they have previously outlawed the

1622
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: Beatles cut.

1623
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: Iran. I have no idea. Afghanistan in the Taliban.

1624
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 2: Uhh, that's close. Yeah, oh Man jailed barbers.

1625
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: For eight hundred Alex damn.

1626
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 2: Twenty eight barbers in Kabul were arrested for giving the

1627
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 2: Leo cut. All right, here's here's a fun one. I'm

1628
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 2: looking up conspiracy theories about it. Well, this is a

1629
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: deeply bizarre one. The Titanic's hull was stamped with three

1630
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: nine nine.

1631
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: Oh four Oh, that's a good one.

1632
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 2: What phrase does that allegedly spell backwards? And how does

1633
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: it tie into two contentious sects of Christianity.

1634
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: Supposedly the reflection of it spelled no Pope, and it

1635
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: supposedly cursed the ship, it angered the Catholics don't believe

1636
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: in the pope. And the ship was built in Belfast, Ireland.

1637
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: So you had it played on the whole the troubles. Yeah, yes, yes,

1638
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: that's good. I did not expect to get lord good stuff.

1639
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: Huh okay, yeah, one more on you.

1640
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: I got one more in me. Let's see, this one

1641
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 2: is absurdly hard.

1642
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: We'll do this one.

1643
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: And since there's absolutely no way you will possibly get it,

1644
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 2: I'll have a backup. What was the name of the

1645
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: new bacteria found and identified in the ocean microbes that

1646
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 2: were sampled from the Titanic's hall. It's named for the Titanic.

1647
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 2: It's something like Titanica or something.

1648
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 3: Yes.

1649
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: Found in twenty ten, scientists discovered a new bacteria found

1650
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 2: in samples of these rusticles, dubbed Hollo Monus Titanic ha. Yeah, wow, damn,

1651
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: what a good one to go out on.

1652
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: That was That was good? That was good.

1653
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 2: All right.

1654
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 1: This round or final round is a themed round famous people,

1655
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: so they all involve people who are are sort of

1656
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: bigger than the punk meal u U. I should probably

1657
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: phrase this question differently to fit the category better. But

1658
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: how did Blink one eighty two get their name? Oh?

1659
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 2: It was just Blink and then they were sued by

1660
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 2: I want to say, an Irish band and they added

1661
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 2: one A two.

1662
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: What is the one eighty two though, is it? I mean,

1663
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: that's what I don't know.

1664
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Is it I don't know, public indecency or public exposure

1665
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: or something.

1666
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: No, getting cold, getting cold? No, it's not a code.

1667
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1668
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 1: It is the number of f bombs that al Pacino

1669
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: drops in scarface? Is that incredible? That makes me like

1670
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: them more?

1671
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that actually happened to Dinosaur Junior as well,

1672
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 2: who brought brought up as SST. I loved Dinosaur Junior,

1673
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: but they initially just called themselves Dinosaur and then they

1674
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 2: were sued by like a band formed by a bunch

1675
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 2: of like also rans in a band called Dinosaur. H

1676
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: What was the name of this band or what was

1677
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: the thing of this band? I thought it was something hilarious.

1678
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 2: How it was like, Yes, Dinosaurs, a supergroup formed in

1679
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 2: the Bay Area, actually consisting of members of Big Brother

1680
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 2: and the Holding Company, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, The

1681
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 2: Grateful Dad Country, Joe and the Fish and keyboardist Merle

1682
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: Saunders of the Jerry Garcia Band In Time, a guy

1683
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 2: from Hot Tuna, another guy from Jefferson Airplane, Nicky Hopkins

1684
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: Session legend Nicki Hopkins Country, Joe MacDonald and member of Moby.

1685
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: Grape began touring.

1686
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 2: That is Wild studio album released in nineteen eighty eight. Wow,

1687
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 2: what else we got?

1688
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Which band? On the topic of band names, I know

1689
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: we already had a category for that. Which band is

1690
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: named for Marilyn Monroe's final film? Oh, that's the Pride

1691
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: of Lodi, New Jersey.

1692
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 2: Misfits baby Glenn Danzig one of my man, just one

1693
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 2: of the all time Italian Americans? Is he like me?

1694
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: Is he half Italian and half Eastern European? Danzig seems Oh?

1695
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Danzig is his real name. Oh is

1696
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: that like a German tank or something. His name is.

1697
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 2: Glenn Allen Anzeloni. Yeah, all the Misfits guys had fake names.

1698
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Do you know that Jerry Only who is the bass player.

1699
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: His name, his born given name is Gerald Kayaffah, and

1700
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 2: he got so tired of correcting people that mispronounced his

1701
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: name that he would just say just Jerry only, and

1702
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 2: that's what he started getting called. Glenn Danzig. Don't know

1703
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 2: how he got that name, but there's another reference to

1704
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,839
Speaker 2: his I mean, he just referenced everything in the Misfits

1705
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 2: logo is itself actually taken from the Crimson Ghost, which

1706
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 2: was one of those old like cereals from the nineteen fifties.

1707
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 2: If you look up this thing, it is literally just

1708
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 2: that skull like but as like a as like a

1709
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 2: cheap mask, and then he just like ran it through

1710
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 2: a photocopier and Danzig's horn with skull like his demon horn.

1711
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 2: Skull logo is taken from I want to say a.

1712
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: Code in the Barbarian.

1713
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, comic.

1714
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he's got He's so funny.

1715
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: There's just a number of I implore everyone to just go

1716
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 2: onto YouTube and look up Danzig home movies, because there

1717
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 2: was at one point like a LaserDisc dish in or

1718
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 2: like an extraordinarily lavish box set of his stuff that

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01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 2: came with a bunch of black and white home movies

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01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,799
Speaker 2: of him pacing like around his house and los flies,

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01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 2: bare chested, just talking about his book collection of like, oh, he's.

1722
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 4: Like, there's one hundred and fifty documented cases of Werewolve's

1723
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 4: chronicle to his book All true, All true. There's one

1724
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 4: of them where you know they're hunting this werewolf in

1725
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 4: Germany and this guy comes out of the comes out

1726
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 4: of the forest shaking a baby in his teeth.

1727
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 2: Pretty cool, pretty cool danzigcilaris. There's so many Danzig ephemeros.

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01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 2: I note one is that he used someone used to

1729
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: see him in his backyard with a giant ornate like

1730
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 2: full length mirror watching himself lift weights to his own music.

1731
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 2: There is a story about his bricks, most famously that

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01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 2: he had a large pile of bricks in the front

1733
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 2: yard of his Los Fhela, Los Phillies home, and his

1734
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 2: neighbors were getting upset with him, and so one day

1735
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 2: he was out in the front yard hurling bricks into

1736
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: a dumpster he had rented, saying here I am cleaning

1737
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 2: up my mother bricks, bitch like screaming over and over.

1738
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Obviously he got.

1739
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 2: Punched out one time by that dude, but just a

1740
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 2: tremendous voice man and a pretty great songwriter too. I

1741
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 2: mean he wrote actually a really beautiful song sung by

1742
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 2: Roy Orbison for the Less Than Zero soundtrack. Yeah, he

1743
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 2: wrote a song that was later recorded by Johnny Cash

1744
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 2: called thirteen Man.

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01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 2: I love Glenn dancing. He's so funny, tiny little guy,

1747
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: so short.

1748
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,839
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of punk guys doing songs with rock legends,

1749
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 1: the Ramones, when they recorded their covers album Acid Eaters

1750
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three, specifically a tribute to their favorite

1751
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: sixties bands, they got one of their heroes to sing

1752
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: backing vocals.

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01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: Who was it?

1754
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: Who did get? Getting total sense? It makes total sense.

1755
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: You have to give me a hint.

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01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 2: What song was it?

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01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: Oh, it'll give it, It'll give it away, Okay, because

1758
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: it's a covers album. Yes, that's true. I don't know. Pass.

1759
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 2: Pete Townsend sang back the cover of Substitute Substitute, one

1760
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: of my favorite songs of the I'm just gonna pull

1761
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 2: up the this uh this wiki page real quick and

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01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:30,600
Speaker 2: find this out.

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01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 1: Oh there are several guest singers actually, Tracys the the

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01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 1: adult film actress sings.

1765
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 2: Sebastian Bach of skid Row singing on Rolling Stones cover,

1766
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 2: So technically I could have said any one of those.

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01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: Three, although I said one of the rock heroes, and

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01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:51,520
Speaker 1: Tracy Lord's.

1769
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: Could have been a rock hero. She had a music career. Actually,

1770
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 2: I don't believe she did. Oh yeah, she did her

1771
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,600
Speaker 2: song love Never. This is how they knew her actually

1772
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 2: because she was featured on the soundtrack to Pet Cemetery too.

1773
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm guessing yeah, and Ramones did the song to the

1774
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 2: first one, which is one of my favorite of those songs.

1775
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to be Baby pet Cemetery, So she

1776
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 2: had already been putting out right. That's so funny, that

1777
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 2: little connection. Here's a hilarious tidbit from Johnny Ramone's autobiography,

1778
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 2: Commando Townsend. Pete Townsend was a half an hour late

1779
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 2: for his session, resulting in Johnny giving up and leaving

1780
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 2: the studio to watch a Yankees game. Well, speaking of

1781
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Tracy Lord's and pornography, I would say New York punk

1782
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 2: to English punk crossover, which New York Punk Icon was

1783
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 2: briefly considered to be a sex pistols vocalist. Which New

1784
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 2: York City Icon punk Icon punk Icon sex pistols vocalist.

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01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: After Johnny rotten quit, I believe, so. I don't think

1786
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: there's a chance in hell of you getting this Richard Hell.

1787
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, did you google that?

1788
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 1: I saw your figures move.

1789
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 2: I didn't. I just threw out a guess because he's

1790
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 2: the only other famous singer I could mention I thought

1791
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 2: of other than Joey Ramone or like. No, it actually

1792
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 2: makes sense though, because Richard Hell of television by the way, Yeah,

1793
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 2: but he also uh he was kicked out of television.

1794
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 2: But he's like one of the only guys I can

1795
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 2: think of that is like that early that the British

1796
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 2: punks would have been familiar with. I mean, they wouldn't

1797
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 2: have picked David Byrne, although yeah, can you imagine how

1798
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 2: funny that would have been? God's God Save the Queen.

1799
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 1: Apparently Malcolm McLaren was obsessed with Richard Hell's look.

1800
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Richard Hell was one of the Yes that that

1801
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 2: that tracks, And that's what I remember about that is

1802
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 2: that Richard Hall was considered one of the archetypal early

1803
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 2: punks in terms of having like rip closed that was

1804
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 2: safety pinned back together, sort of the disheveled Johnny Thunder's hair.

1805
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: I guess Paul Cook and Glenn Matlock refused because they

1806
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,560
Speaker 1: wanted an English singer to be the sex Pistols and

1807
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: new singer. Yeah, well let's see now. David Byrne even

1808
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: inspired me to other kind of nerdy punk adjacent people,

1809
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: the Modern Lovers. Oh yes, this is a gameme. Their

1810
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 1: first album was produced by a former member of the

1811
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 1: Velvet Underground. Who was it?

1812
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: John Cale was the only one who did any production work, right,

1813
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 2: unless it was lou Reid, because I know Richmond idolized

1814
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 2: lou Reed that was inspired to write road Runner and

1815
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 2: like a bunch of different songs by kind of that

1816
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 2: talk singing thing. But if lou Reid produced it at

1817
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 2: that time, I don't think that would have actually translated

1818
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 2: into any work.

1819
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,520
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say John Cale, that is correct. Okay,

1820
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: I have I have a Modern Lovers follow up question.

1821
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Modern Lovers, two of the members were

1822
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: later in famous and popular new wave bands, which were

1823
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the bands Oh.

1824
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 2: It's Talking Heads and Blondie. Oh you got one, Tom

1825
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 2: Tom Club? Now I know it's it's that Jerry Harrison

1826
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 2: and Talking Heads and like proper new wave or like.

1827
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the prototypical like the Wikipedia page landing photo

1828
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: for the New Wave.

1829
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 2: American Yes, Culture Club. No, No, I don't know. I

1830
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 2: don't know the second one.

1831
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 1: David Robinson later went on to be a drummer for

1832
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 1: the Cars.

1833
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 2: Oh far out. Yeah, that's wild man. Those guys must

1834
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 2: have been really way more plugged into the punk roxy

1835
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 2: and than we really give them credit for. Because famously,

1836
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:59,599
Speaker 2: Rick Okasik produced one of the brad Brains records. Yes, yes,

1837
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 2: Rior is the label, but that's amazing. They must have

1838
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 2: been way like actually down in the bowery seeing this stuff.

1839
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 2: That's so cool. It was cool.

1840
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: Rick Okasek whips Weezer producer, Rick Okay s and okay,

1841
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: last question, because I have a factoid about Patti Smith.

1842
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: What member of the Motor City five MC five did

1843
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Patty Smith Mary.

1844
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 2: Oh Fred Sonic Smith baby?

1845
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 1: That is correct. They were married until Fred's sudden death

1846
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five from heart failure. They had two children.

1847
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: The elder Jackson grew up to marry White Stripes drummer

1848
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: Meg White in two thousand and nine. That is crazy,

1849
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 1: and I thought that would be a good one to

1850
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: end on because Patty Smith was the last person to

1851
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 1: perform at CBGB's before it closed in October two thousand

1852
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: and six.

1853
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,919
Speaker 2: Patti Smith, if you read Please Kill Me, the punching

1854
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 2: bag of that book, yeah, derided as like an incredible

1855
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 2: clout chaser. There's obviously a whiff of misogyny there, a

1856
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,759
Speaker 2: lot of that was a similar complaints were also lodged

1857
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 2: against Sonic Youth and you know Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore,

1858
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 2: where I think the quote about them is that they

1859
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 2: were very conscious of being seen at the right parties

1860
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 2: and like talking to the right people, you know. But yeah,

1861
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 2: Please Kill Me is very very stacked against Patty Smith

1862
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 2: sort of one of the only things that runs counter

1863
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 2: to her like deification.

1864
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 1: Well you know, I think it looks like we tied.

1865
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, oh man, that's the that's the best

1866
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 2: possible outcome.

1867
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 1: So there are no winners, but two losers.

1868
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:44,799
Speaker 2: Or two winners and the best friends. That is true.

1869
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: That was fun.

1870
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 2: I like doing these folks.

1871
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 1: You actually, if I shra you've actually enjoyed That's how

1872
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna phrase that. Folks, if you enjoyed that, please

1873
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:55,719
Speaker 1: let us know. We can do more of these types

1874
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: of episodes every now and then. I thought that was

1875
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: really fun, you know. I mean you always joke about

1876
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 1: doing oops all digressions episode and that's pretty much.

1877
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 2: What this was. Yeah, true, I mean it's because it's

1878
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 2: difficult to find like overlapping, because my tastes only get

1879
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 2: like more granular and less like pre war delta blues

1880
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 2: or just broadly speaking, jazz.

1881
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Well, I just knew this would yield like scatological anecdotes and.

1882
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that says more about you than me, it does,

1883
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 2: you know very much. So well, folks, thank you. This

1884
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: has been the second stump the buff episode of Too

1885
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 2: Much Information. We will be back whenever the hell we

1886
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,600
Speaker 2: want with a regular episode.

1887
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:40,799
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

1888
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 2: I said that at the top of the episode.

1889
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:45,719
Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time, folks.

1890
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 2: There it is.

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01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Too Much Information was a production of iHeartRadio.

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01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runkok.

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01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael all June.

1894
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 2: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Rundog

1895
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,519
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