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Speaker 1: part two of our two part episode on Arthur Desmond,

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Speaker 1: author of Might Is Right, the book that inspired the

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Speaker 1: Might Is Right was originally published under the title The

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Speaker 1: to I don't know what's the stereotypical thing, truly, like

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00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: manhood is demonized in all caps sounds like a Reddit

422
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: post I saw this week. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean literally,

423
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: I've read variants of that exact sentence a thousand times

424
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, generally while someone on

425
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Facebook was trying to sell me like leather goods and

426
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: axes and ship because manhood has been very successfully capitalized.

427
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Which there's a funny bit to that here. So I'm

428
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: going to read a quote from that chapter on manhood

429
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: is demonized. We're living and dying, mostly dying in a

430
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: poisonous environment of deep seated moral dementia, social disease, and

431
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: political illusions. The righteous and the just, hypocrites, deceivers, enemies

432
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: of all that is noble, courageous and manly, destroyers of

433
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: self assertiveness, annihilators of hero was him? Would that I

434
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: had a legion of demons to ring neck, a crucified

435
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: Jew slave terrorized under authority is set up as a god,

436
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: a standard of measurement for all mankind. That is why

437
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: personal valor and nobility of thought are at such a

438
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: tremendous discount. Christendom is bondage. Manhood is demonetized. Are Yeah

439
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to say, like demonetized, like

440
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: made into a demon. But it's spelled demonetized. Yeah, like

441
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: he's beauty pie. Man. It is demonetized. Yeah, no, man,

442
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: you can it's monetized. Very well, Yeah, this is okay,

443
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: So man is demonetized. I would I would wear that shirt? Now,

444
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: what a piece of work you would? Yeah? Yeah, no, Jamie,

445
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: I bet at this point, I know what you're wondering.

446
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: How would Desmond? How, yes, how how would Arthur Desmond

447
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: scientifically define a fe male? Oh? No? Oh yeah, I

448
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: really did get like a weird feeling in my stomach

449
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: when you said that, because female? Yeah, I mean, hey,

450
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: it's gross, Okay, Okay. A woman is primarily a reproductive

451
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: cell organism, a womb structurally ambastioned by a protective, defensive

452
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: osseous network, surrounded with the antennae and blood. Vessels necessary

453
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: for supplying nutriment to the growing ohm or embryo. That's

454
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: a woman. It sounds like a fucking creature from the

455
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: black lagoon. What is he? You're just a wound with bones.

456
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: You're just a meat prison that's supposed to make me

457
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: a child, yield me an air. But he that is

458
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: Oh what a loser. What a loser? This? I like

459
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: if he had a counselor or if he has somewhere

460
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: to express himself. Yeah, maybe, but he did. Actually I

461
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: think him having a place to express express himself was

462
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: the problem. Well, I think that he shouldn't. He certainly

463
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had a platform, Robert, I think he should.

464
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: Oh my deep hashtag d platform hall Arthur Desmond did

465
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: he stroke did that a while back? So wait, he said,

466
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: he said, when they have antenna? Yeah, where did he

467
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: specify where they got him? Because nope, but you have

468
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: antenna and blood vessels to supply nutriment to your growing

469
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: of him. Congrats on that. I bet you're happy to

470
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: learn that my o them stays growing. So maybe maybe

471
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: it's the antenna. You gotta check those antenna yep. So

472
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: what a door? Wow? What a door? The more you

473
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: read might is right, the more convinced you become that,

474
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: among other things, Arthur Desmond was the founding father of

475
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: all in cells, and this quote, I think embodies that

476
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: more than any other strap in Okay, sexualism and maternity

477
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: dominate the lives of all true women to such an extent.

478
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Is this so that they have very little time left

479
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: or inclination to think, and therefore they've never been fitted

480
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: out abenito with reasoning organs. Probably this is what Mohammed

481
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: alluded to when he sentatiously affirmed that women have no soul.

482
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: Even in man, the soul is probably a fiction, but

483
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: in woman it's absence is an absolute certainty. I got

484
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: stuck on reasoning organism, reasoning organs. Yeah, that's so nasty.

485
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I just love that he's both like such an like

486
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: atheist bro that he's got to be like nobody has

487
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: a soul, but also like women for sure don't have souls.

488
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: I just I and again it is like that trend

489
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: that he has of just like you're like, oh, this

490
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: could be something horrible, or he might just really not

491
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: know what he's talking about, where he's like, you know,

492
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: when you're just sating a baby, you really gotta focus

493
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: and give it your full attention, or like like you're

494
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: just sitting on an egg for for nine months, you

495
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: can't move, You can't do anything much less use your

496
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: reasoning organisms or grapple with your soul because you don't

497
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: have one. Oh lord, well, Jamie, yes, I'm sorry I was.

498
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: My reasoning organism is just overextended. Right now, keep reasoning

499
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: with those organs. Yeah, well, I mean I can't, or

500
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: my open will stop growing. Oh see, that's the classic.

501
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: That's the classic contradiction of womanhood. Right, flex my reasoning

502
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: organism too hard. My antenna will stop working in my open?

503
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Don't you understand? I do? Now now that I've read

504
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: Might as Right, and that's the last normal quote from

505
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: the book. We're going to read one last piece of

506
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Might is right to read and it's a poem. Go

507
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: for it. No, From Sandy Hook to London Tower, from

508
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Chatha to Japan, they can take who half the power?

509
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: They may keep? Who can This is the law of

510
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: heaven and hell. Stoop in this and divine the highest,

511
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: holiest law of all that governs mine and thine. The law.

512
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: It is of Sun and Star, of President and Pope.

513
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: It is the prisoner at the bar, the gallows and

514
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: the rope. It is the lawyer and his fee, the

515
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: shearer and his sheep, the eagle soaring, swift and free,

516
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: the dreadnought on the deep. It is the bond. It

517
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: is the loan, the prophet and the lost, the user

518
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: on his bully and throne, the idol of the cross.

519
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: It is the goth. It is the hun, the tyrant

520
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: and his prey, the flame and saber, club and gun.

521
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Oh taxes that we pay. It is the law of

522
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: all the climbs, and all the things to be, and

523
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: all the bold, tremendous times that you and I shall see,

524
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: from Sandy Hook to London Tower, from Greenland to Japan,

525
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: they will take who have the power. And I think

526
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: I cut off the last night. That's a very jarring

527
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: place to end it. Yeah, it ends with the word can,

528
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, you don't know.

529
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: His poetry is so good and deft and complicatable. Where

530
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: is it going? That sounds like a shitty black Sabbath song.

531
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: He should have kept writing labor poems about kids bones

532
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: being crossed. That that was, yeah, because it really that's

533
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: his high point. Yeah, yeah, when he was when then

534
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: that was also like kind of his high point ideologically too, Yes,

535
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: it was yeah, good, Okay, So so he's a bad

536
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: poet again. I am also interested in the arc of

537
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: his poetry because it's really it's a parabola. Yeah, but

538
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: we also know he's a play dress, so we may

539
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: my my my thing is maybe he didn't write the

540
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: one good poem. He just beats some guy up and

541
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: stole his poem. Well that's entirely possible, is right, So yeah,

542
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: that is that is how poetry works. He's got I mean,

543
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: the untellable damage that's been done to the world over

544
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: like shitty artists that that just really couldn't get it.

545
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: It's just like part of what that's like the best

546
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: argument you can make for like the fucking uh the

547
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: universal basic income is like, then all the terrible artists

548
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: in the world can make terrible art and not turned

549
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: into Hitler and not yet becomes so deeply politicize or

550
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: George Bunch for that matter. Yeah, yeah, if they if

551
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: they both just lived in small apartments and painted, we'd

552
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: all be better off. Right. It's like, yeah, no one's

553
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: going to buy it, but they're not going to die,

554
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. If Arthur Desmond had just

555
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: had a government apartment, he would have kept writing poems.

556
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Some of them would have been good, some of them

557
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: would have been terrible. He would have published shitty zines

558
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. And no, I mean this.

559
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: You could argue that Might Is Right is kind of

560
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: a shitty zne Yeah, but it has way more impact

561
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: than that, Like it's it's we're We're about to get

562
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: into how this spread outside of the shitty zene community

563
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: of the eighteen nineties and early nineteen hundreds. But first,

564
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about the rest of Arthur Desmond's life. Now.

565
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Once he made it to the United States, he appears

566
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: initially and like registers in the city uh of Chicago

567
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: as a reporter um. He also started going by the

568
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: name Ragnar Redbeard professionally at this point, writing one friend

569
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: that he had taken on the new name just for luck.

570
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: After Might Is Right was published and started to gain

571
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: serious prominence as a work of radical politics, Desmond seems

572
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: to have found himself in possession of a decent amount

573
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: of funding. He created the Adolph Mueller Company in eighteen

574
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: ninety seven for the sole purpose of selling Ragnar Redbeard

575
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: books and pamphlets. I'm going to guess Adolph Mueller was

576
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: another one of his aliases. Um now, most of these

577
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: seemed to have just been reprints of pieces of Might

578
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: Is Right. He published The Eagle in the Serpent in

579
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety eight, which was just a reprint of chapter six.

580
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: He started publishing a journal, Red Beard's Review, in England.

581
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: It was mainly existed to like sell copies of Might

582
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Is Right, and it ran for around four years. Desmond

583
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: also started to claiming to be a pH d at

584
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: this time, and started signing his work with l l D,

585
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: the abbreviation for a doctorate of law. When his biographers

586
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: looked into this and found it to be an absolute lie.

587
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: The University of Chicago, where he claimed to have gotten

588
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: his degree, didn't even award its first l l D

589
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: until a year after Desmond claimed to have received his cool.

590
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: So pathetic and yet another grifter who follows in the

591
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: pattern of they all wind up pretending to be a

592
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: doctor at some point. Yeah, I mean, and that's that's

593
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: almost Billy Wayne territory. I know, I know, and I'm yeah,

594
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: he might leap out in through the poison room at

595
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: this point to take over. There's not a lot about

596
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: the doctor part. I bravely take on the in cell

597
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: beat and uh yeah, okay, so he's I mean, we

598
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: knew he was a liar and a grifter, but okay, okay.

599
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: And we also don't know how old he is. We

600
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: really don't, like, not even super close to how old

601
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: he is, to be honest, we have a twenty year descriptive.

602
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like eighteen fifty nine in a lot of stuff. Yeah,

603
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell, like different sources, like you, Like,

604
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: one of the difficulties publishing that or putting this together

605
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: is like everyone who writes about him, there's a bunch

606
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: of stuff that doesn't at all go along with each other.

607
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly how everything timed out other

608
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: than like the publication of his books and stuff. We

609
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: have that set in stone. But like I mean, and

610
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: some of that's just down to the fact that this

611
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: was like the eighteen nineties and nobody was keeping good

612
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: records back then. Um. But also he was a criminal

613
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: grifter who lied about every aspect of his life, so

614
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: it seems like he might lie about his age about everything.

615
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: We don't even know if Arthur Desmond was his real name.

616
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: Like the reason they're pretty sure he was Ragnar Redbeard.

617
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Um is just because like the poetry and ship in

618
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Might Is Right sounds exactly like Arthur Desmond's poetry, Like

619
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: and that seems compelling to me, like just having read

620
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of his poems from earlier in his life

621
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: and then reading Might is Right, Like, I'm pretty fucking

622
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: sure it's the same guy. There's definitely a through line

623
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: through all of the shitty poetry we've heard today. And

624
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: I I'm also convinced that it's not Jack London who

625
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: wrote Might Is Right? Because Jack London, for all of

626
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: his flaws, was a good fucking writer. He could write

627
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: a fucking book. Um, and Might Is Right is mostly nonsense.

628
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: Like there's a couple of turns of phrase that are net,

629
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: but it's mostly just like insane babbling with no through line.

630
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: I liked Children's Bones and that was a different publications

631
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: that was a different from me here. Well, maybe you

632
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: just got to read Might as Right, Jamie and learn

633
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: about Antenna and perthing works. He's the last thing or two.

634
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Now it's possible that this new publishing career was very

635
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: lucrative for Arthur. Some sources say he did well enough

636
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: to buy a large ranch in Callus Bell, Montana. He

637
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: said to have stocked it with game animals and entertained

638
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: journalist friends of his there with hunting and shooting parties.

639
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: This is probably a lie because I've only found it

640
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: in one source. But he might have gotten rich and

641
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: bought a ranch in Montana. I really don't know. At

642
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: the end of the eighteen hundreds, Arthur Desmond claimed to

643
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: have sucked off to South Africa to fight in the

644
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: Second Boer War. He claimed to have joined a regiment

645
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: of lighthorse cavalry in Cape Town and to have fought

646
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: in the vicious Battle of parde Bourg in February nineteen hundred.

647
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: After that adventure, if it happened, he moved back to

648
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: Chicago and lived for a time under the name Richard Thurland.

649
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: In nineteen o three, he published Might Is Right, the

650
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: newest edition of Survival of the Fitish. With that title

651
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: um he wrote another book, Rival Caesar's, which flopped. By

652
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: nineteen o four, he had been reduced to managing an ice,

653
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: scream and candy company, So I don't know if he

654
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: went to fight in the Second Boer War, but he

655
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: definitely round up managing an ice cream company best chapter

656
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: of his life yet. Yep. Now, if you know one

657
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: thing about Arthur Desmond, it's that whenever he was in

658
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: an office building, he was running in a legal side

659
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: business out of that office building that he wasn't supposed

660
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: to be running. Uh and true to form, while he

661
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: was managing this ice cream company, he also ran an

662
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: advertising business as a side the hustle out of the office.

663
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: In March of that year, Desmond got into trouble when

664
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: a telephone inspector asked to inspect the office as part

665
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: of a routine checkup. Arthur refused, possibly because he was

666
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: running a side business out of the office that his

667
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: employers were unaware of. The inspector called the police and

668
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: Desmond held them off for some hours with a rifle

669
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: he had claimed to have captured during the Boer War.

670
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: He was eventually assaulted, overpowered, subdued, and taken to the

671
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Cook County Jail to await trial. Thankfully for Desmond, a

672
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: lifetime as a labor firebrand and organizer had turned him

673
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: into a capable public speaker. He defended himself successfully in

674
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: court and seems to have earned the sympathy of the

675
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: jury enough that he was freed. Wow, that never works.

676
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: It did back then. It was an easier time. All right,

677
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: we'll give of the rest of his life. We know

678
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: fairly little. We know. We got married once to a

679
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: woman like twenty something years his junior. They had a child,

680
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: but she left him fairly quickly for reasons that are

681
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: probably obvious. And she died. Yeah, yeah, she died of tuberculosis. Right,

682
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I was trying to find out

683
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: more about this poor lady who he was just like,

684
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: are looking mighty fine today, my inferior? And then she

685
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I I don't have trouble believing, like

686
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: understanding why she would have left. Plug my o um

687
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: daddy gross. If you want to plug some of them,

688
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: check out the products and services that support this show

689
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: and also ovaries. Yeah, that was probably a bad line

690
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: to go to add zombe, I can't he can't over.

691
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: We're back, We're back. We're back. We're talking about o

692
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: ms and ads. Mind the bastards. God, that's feminist capitalism,

693
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: baby and ads. No, I can't participate, okay, Arthur Arthur

694
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: motherfucking Desmond. So uh yeah. His first biographer, who was

695
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: also his editor, claims that Desmond stayed mostly in the

696
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: Chicago area for the rest of his life, publishing articles

697
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: and journals, intermittently arguing with other anarchists, and republishing one

698
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: last edition of might Is right before his death in

699
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: nine from a spontaneous cerebral hemorrhage that he had while

700
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: stalking books at the bookstore where he worked. It was

701
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: like a second hand shop, so he died of a

702
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: stroke while putting books on a shelf. The author of

703
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Might's write the book of how Warriors should rule the World,

704
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: very warriorly death. Um. Now that said, there are other

705
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: stories about how he died. Some sources will claim he

706
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: died fighting in Mexico in nineteen fourteen, or in Palestine

707
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen or nineteen twenty six. There are stories

708
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: that he died in World War One, and for what

709
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: it's worth you, I think the Likelise version of events

710
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: is that he ran a small bookstore as an old

711
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: man and died in the late nineteen twenties. Yeah. I

712
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: believe the book a narrative that he was reading. I

713
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: wonder if he was like paging through something deeply pathetic,

714
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: and then he just he just fucked off, but forever

715
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: this time. Well, alright, Rest in power, King, loser, Rest

716
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: in power King. Now. While our buddy Desmond was dead

717
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: and buried by nineteen twenty nine, his work has lived on,

718
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: and it did not take long for his favorite writings

719
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: to catch the imagination of another generation of political firebrand.

720
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty seven, Anton Lavay, the father of modern Satanism,

721
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: was walking down a street in San Francisco, California, when

722
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: he came upon a rare bookstore and the window was

723
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: a particular tone that caught his eye. An old copy

724
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: of Might Is Right. Here's what LaVey wrote about finding it.

725
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: What I saw should not have been in print. It

726
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: was more than inflammatory. It was sheer blasphemy. Obviously McDonald

727
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: hadn't even glanced within its pages, but figured the odd

728
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: cover and title would remove it from the window. As

729
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: I turned the pages, more blasphemy met my eyes. Crazy

730
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: as it was, I found myself charged at the words.

731
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: People just didn't write that way. There's a good reason

732
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: for that, Anton. Now, many scholars will claim, with significant

733
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: evidence that Anton LaVey plagiarized huge chunks of might is

734
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: right in order to write the Satanic Bible, which is

735
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: his most well known UH piece um, which he published

736
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine. It's generally considered to be the

737
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: most influential Satanic text. I'm going to quote now from

738
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: digital commons. Lave's plagiarism was extensive. To his credit, However,

739
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Lave removed some of the more offensive passages, and there

740
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: are no racist undertones in the Satanic Bible. So LaVey

741
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: finds this book likes the parts of it about hating

742
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: Chris Gianity and about like some of the stuff about

743
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: like the will to power, and just cuts out the

744
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: anti semitism and the racism, and uh basically reprint some

745
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: of it almost word for word as the Satanic Bible.

746
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: I didn't, Yeah, I wasn't aware that that was also

747
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: that whole that whole narrative of just like and yeah,

748
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: he'd never seen like I'd never seen something written like

749
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: that before. I wonder why that is. But we never

750
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: get to the second question. I mean, part of it

751
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: is that like, in a little bit of fairness to

752
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: leave a like in the nineteen fifties, you think about

753
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: like how closed American society was, and how like intolerant

754
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: it was of any questioning of like Christianity, of patriarchal

755
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: value of like so anything that's like I imagine there

756
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 1: was so few, so so little like really radical text

757
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: being written then that anything that didn't reinforce like the

758
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: fucking mad men lying about how society ought to be

759
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: was like intoxicating to a guy like LaVey. And I

760
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: suspect that some of what's happening. Yeah, sure, if Anton

761
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Leavey had been born later, he probably wouldn't have found

762
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: this as influential because there would have been other ship

763
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: to read. I mean, I'm glad that he at least

764
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: cut out the parts, but okay, I would think twice

765
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: if I was like found myself enthralled with the philosopher

766
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: and was like, okay, well I gotta cut out pages

767
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: of racism, but like there's some there's some golden but

768
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: he's pretty spot on with everything else. So weird that

769
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: he like what he says about Antenna and Ovum's Yeah, wait,

770
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: did leave keep the the woman's stuff deepen enough? But

771
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Leave did Um admit to basically plagiarizing might is right?

772
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: And he actually wrote a forward to a reprinting of

773
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: Might is Right. That like is the addition I have quote.

774
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: After spreading the Gospel of Might is Right for over

775
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: a decade, came the official commission to write a Satanic Bible.

776
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: My agent and publisher one of the material I had

777
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: already printed and tracked form with additional stuff to make

778
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: up the Bible as quickly as possible. I was not

779
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: a writer. Some will say I'm still not, but I

780
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: had to draw from my inspire rations what had to

781
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: be said. Now you may know that every single occult

782
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: scholar I knew warned me against publishing the Enochian Call,

783
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: saying that nobody touched upon them and it was doomed

784
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: to even mention them. Okay, that was enough for me,

785
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: and they went. So it was with the selected passages

786
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: from Mike is Right, except I got no warnings because

787
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: nobody had even heard of the damn book, especially ahead

788
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: in the clouds of cult Nis. It had inspired me, though,

789
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: and that was enough. The copyright, even with renewal, would

790
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: have recently expired. So it suddenly became part of the

791
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: Satanic Bible, with myself and the publisher holding in context

792
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: new copyrights and the portions employed. So like brags about

793
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: plagiarizing it and copyrighting then and just getting away with it. Yeah,

794
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: just being like, well, yeah, sure I stole it, but

795
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: I found a loophole that sounds like that sounds like

796
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: a fun like indie comedy of like, I'm not much

797
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: of a writer, but I've got to write a bible

798
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and fast, like horrible, just steal from this book. I

799
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: guess I'll just find this book by this in cell racist. Yeah,

800
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the Anton

801
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: LaVey Google image. Just page. I've been here before, but

802
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: it's always just newly shot. It's pretty fun, right, snake heavy, Yeah,

803
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: he was. He had a style. You gotta give him that.

804
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: He was way ahead on brand. I respect a consistency

805
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: of brand. Yes, yeah, now. But they claims he only

806
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: included the sections of might is Right that he agreed

807
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: with because the rest of the work was filling with

808
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: what he called glaring contradictions and was at best a rant.

809
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: Both of those things are very accurate. He sought to

810
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: preserve the things he found so inspiring in Desmond's book

811
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: without including all of the bullshit. Quote it is despite

812
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: my enthusiasm for the book inaccurate to state that Might

813
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: is Right was the inspiration for the Church of Satan.

814
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: For the record, I was relatively young when I discovered it,

815
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: but I had already indulged myself in the experience of

816
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: reading every scrap of anarchists, nihilist, extremist and free thought

817
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: esoterica I could encounter. A day hardly passes that I

818
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: don't read a comment from someone who was astounded at

819
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: how close his own thoughts come to the message of

820
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: my Satanic Bible. I find that interesting because he's basically

821
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: saying that, like a lot of the stuff in Might

822
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: is Right I had thought of before as like a

823
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: young dude on the fringes, and like so much of

824
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: Desmond's writing sounds like ship. I've seen kids on eight

825
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: chan type who I know hadn't like read that ship

826
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: or kids on four chan or read it. Like there's

827
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: a certain degree to which like frustrated young male minds

828
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: think alike um, and like that's kind of what Mida's

829
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Right is is. It's like the worst parts of the

830
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: male Id published by a low rent poet and former

831
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: labor organizer. That's how I would describe the book. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, well,

832
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I love when two kings collaborate. Yeah, so

833
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, there there is something primal about I think

834
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: the young male psyche that Desmond was able to reach

835
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: at times, and that's why Anton LaVey found it so

836
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: compelling and why he cut out bits of Desmond's philosophy

837
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: to write the Satanic Bible, which was also like magnetic

838
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: to a chunk of young men. But you know, someone

839
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: like lave was clearly strong headed enough that like he

840
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: didn't bibe all of the toxicity from Might is Right.

841
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: Other people are more vulnerable, and this brings us back

842
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: to the Gilroy Garlic shooter, Santino Lagan. We don't know

843
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: how we're where he first came across Might is Right.

844
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: The book is available for free online and I ran

845
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: into it numerous times over the last year and post

846
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: filled with suggested reading material on eight chance poll Board.

847
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: They would include links to this one regularly. It was

848
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: not the most popular tone of white supremacist reading, but

849
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: it was certainly prominent, and it's only grown more so

850
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: in recent months. In my research, I found the website

851
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: for a very dumb group called the Red Beard Right,

852
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: purporting to be an organization of white nationalists adhering to

853
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: the ideas and ideals of Arthur Desmond. From that website quote,

854
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: this is a far right website, and unapologetically so. However,

855
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: the site has nothing to do with national socialism. This

856
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: website is not for basic bitch hitler fan boys. We

857
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: are white nationalists, but not all right. We are the

858
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: real right. Our ideal is not some kind of socialism

859
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: without brown people. We are pragmatic realists. We embraced the

860
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: nature of man and of life itself. We recognize man

861
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: for the aware beast that he is, and have no

862
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: desire to demand stigate him into docility. We seek to

863
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: deal with the reality on its own terms. We have

864
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: no interest in be witching ourselves with fanciful willow whisp utopias.

865
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: We are the red Beard right. We do not indiscriminately

866
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: concern ourselves with just any white person's well being. We

867
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: instaid reserve our concern for the well being of those

868
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: Europeans we feel worth preserving a future for. So there

869
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: we go. That's a great uh, sir, This is a

870
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: wind yeah, the red Beard right. I mean the thing

871
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: that I that strikes me about all this Arthur Desmond stuff,

872
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: it is it does sound like he was able to

873
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: connect with that like young, angry, like depressed masculine thing,

874
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem even that particularly strategic. It just

875
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: seems like that was he was stuck there as opposed

876
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: to like leave a kind of more strategically pulling out

877
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: stuff with a specific goal. But it's to me, like,

878
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: especially as his career goes on, it's unclear to me

879
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: what like Arthur Desmond's real goal was other than to

880
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: be like thought of as a fucking cool guy. And

881
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: it's i which I think is why people are like

882
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: so fluid in their ideology sometimes when they're just like

883
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: I just want someone to think I'm like smart and

884
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: cool and if you don't think I'm cool in the

885
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: labor unions, I'm fucking right off, you know. And yeah,

886
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: And I think the core of where what Desmond did,

887
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: like that was the heart of it. And that's why

888
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: it's so electrifying to a lot of young men, because

889
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: like there's this core of anger that like, particularly young

890
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: men often don't learn how to deal with. And Mida's

891
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: right kind of speaks to that in a very primal

892
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: way and doesn't challenge any of it, and it doesn't

893
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: really require that you do any interest. Boy, No, it

894
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: just requires that you do a lot of push up

895
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: so that you can punch people. Yeah. Now, in the

896
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: weight of Santino lagand shooting spree, the Red Beard Right

897
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: was forced to directly address what had happened because research

898
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: revealed that the gunman had shared a Facebook post made

899
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: by the group, and the post included a bunch of

900
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: quotes from Red Beard's work, but it also included an

901
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: image macro with a picture of a Viking that said,

902
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: dear conquered people's The history of humanity is one of

903
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: constant conflict and competition for resources like land, food, water,

904
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: and women. You wind about the fact that Europeans were

905
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: and are better at this contest than any other culture

906
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: in the world. You losers want us to regret being

907
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: better at conquest and exploration than you were. You want

908
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: apologies and reparations from people who were smarter and stronger

909
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: than you, people who want to equivocally one, we are

910
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: not sorry. We owe you nothing. Deal with it, Deal

911
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: with deal with it. Yeah. Now, this obviously looked bad

912
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: for the Red Beard Right. Yeah, so one member of

913
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: the group, posting under the misspelled user name red Beard

914
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: posted this. We at the Red Beard Right do not

915
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: disavow his actions, but we are not responsible for the

916
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: actions of those who read our posts. We do not

917
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: encourage our readers to commit violence. We do not condone

918
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: what he did. His actions contributed nothing to our cause

919
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: of white well being. His actions were strategically stupid. So yeah,

920
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: it's the fun guys. Now, A bit of digging made

921
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: it clear that Red Breard is James Theodore still Well

922
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: the Third, which is absolutely the name of a guy

923
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: who creates a website dedicated to the Red He calls

924
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: himself a rogue philosopher, which is the most that's the

925
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: most punchable thing you can terrible YouTube channel. I think

926
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: I would. I would have to fist fight someone who

927
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: introduced themselves as a rogue philosopher. That would That's my

928
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: might is right. I'm going to write a book just

929
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: about punching people like this guy, Theodore still Well the Third. Yeah,

930
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: he lives in Keene, New Hampshire, where he writes books

931
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: like Power Nihilism, A Case for Moral and Literal Nihilism. Well,

932
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: he portrays himself as some sort of neo Viking warrior skeptic.

933
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: My guess is that he will probably wind up living

934
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: as a low end bookseller and dying alone of a

935
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: stroke like his idol. As for Santino Lagan, the Gilroy shooter,

936
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: he proved to be distinctly less mighty than the Gilroy police,

937
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: who shot him repeatedly with one minute of open fire.

938
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: Most mass shooters these days tend to have some sort

939
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: of political message they're trying to get out, and Setina

940
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: was no exception. He created an Instagram account just a

941
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: few days before the shooting and posted about Ragnar Redbeard's

942
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: might is Right. It's clear to me that he hoped

943
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: people would be inspired by his shooting to read the book.

944
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Law enforcement combed through Santino's home after the attack, and

945
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: they seem to have been baffled by what they found there.

946
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: The Los Angeles Times quoted John Bennett, the FBI agent

947
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: in charge of the investigation. Among the information we're collecting

948
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: there is conflicting literature, everything from left to right, so

949
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: Bennett said, investigators do not feel they can put this

950
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: person in a box. I wouldn't say it was extreme views.

951
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: It is writings and books that we have found through

952
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: some of the search warrants. We're trying to go through

953
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: all the literature and make sense of it. Now. To me,

954
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: this suggests that Santino himself went through an ideological evolution,

955
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: not unlike that of Arthur Desmond, flirting with the most

956
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: extreme elements of left and right wing political theory before

957
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: settling with violent, egoistic nihilism. According to some reports, one

958
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: of Santino's victims at the festival was heard to ask

959
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: why are you doing this, to which the nineteen year

960
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: old allegedly responded, because I'm really angry and I think

961
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: that right therefore of why Arthur Desmond did what he

962
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: did and what wasn't like, because I'm really appealing. Yeah yeah, yeah,

963
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's awful. That's so brittle, Okay, yep, yeah,

964
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: well well there's that Robert there is jee yeah one ah.

965
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, it started kind of fun. I liked the

966
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: poetry parts. I love Duncan, and the poetry parts was fun.

967
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: I love dunking on a shitty poet. God, I mean

968
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: it is it is trouble, troubling that like I mean, yeah,

969
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: just went that something this angry and it's just like

970
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: so clear, how like impotent it comes off and the

971
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: fact that you know, it's still it's still appealing to

972
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: equally um angry people. It's a sad te go away.

973
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: It really is because it sounds like Arthur Desmond was

974
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: like a really kind of like a sad pathetic person himself,

975
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: um and is inspiring sad pathetic people to this day.

976
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: It just is at look, And the saddest thing about

977
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: it to me is that, like Desmond, there was clearly

978
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: a point at which he could have done good for

979
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: the world, Like he started out with really good intentions.

980
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Like you get a lot of credit for me if

981
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: you're the only person, the only white dude in town

982
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: willing to stand up for an Indigenous person and they're

983
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: right to like exist in your community and stuff like

984
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: and it's just like that, Like that's the big question

985
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: is like why why do some men who wind up

986
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: in kind of the similar situations where the sort of

987
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: pushing against the social tide stay true to their moral

988
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: compass and like you know, fight for what they see

989
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: as justice, And why do some men like like Desmond

990
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: become consumed by their anger and leave their idealism behind

991
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: and just turned into these this sort of like shitty

992
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: asshole nihilists. But like, yeah, the ego driven like it does.

993
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: It does seem like an ego problem if you if

994
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: if you feel yeah like it that the like his

995
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: like left leaning political Um, I guess you could call

996
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: it a career. But like early on, when he was

997
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: still doing cool stuff, it's it sounds like he just

998
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: didn't get the like payoff of that that he wanted,

999
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: which just puts in the expectation that he was always

1000
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: expecting something from doing this and if he didn't get

1001
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: what he wanted, then why do it. It's just it's

1002
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's all very bleak to me. Yeah, yeah,

1003
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: it's like he, um, he wanted I think you are

1004
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: right that, like he wanted recognition out of his activism.

1005
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: He wanted to win, and he wanted to be recognized

1006
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: for his importance in the struggle. And when it became

1007
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: clear that like, no, dude, like turning around the kind

1008
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: of weight of human injustice that is like this inertia

1009
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: in our culture that like leads to such like an

1010
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: oppressed underclass of labors. Turning that around isn't the work

1011
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: of one person, It's the work of million of people

1012
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: over the course of decades and really centuries. If we're

1013
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: like being realistic about it, and that doesn't mean it's

1014
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: not valuable, but like a guy like him, I think

1015
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: was too narcissistic to accept that, and so when he realized, yeah,

1016
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: he just bails halfway through exactly gives up on his principles.

1017
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: It's that I mean, And I do think that there

1018
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: are like other examples of that in the tons of them. Yeah,

1019
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: just like people who start with being really into leftist politics,

1020
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: who who just sort of sour for various narcissistic reasons.

1021
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: It's a story. You see Jason Kessler, the guy who

1022
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: organized the bloody Unite the Right rally and Charlottesville, his

1023
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: first big political like action was taking part in Occupy

1024
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Wall Street UM. And if you go into the discord

1025
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: archives that Unicorn Right has posted of those like fascist

1026
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: groups that planned those those early two seventeen rallies and

1027
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: you just type in the term occupy, a whole bunch

1028
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: of them got their start with Occupy Wall Street and

1029
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: sort of like liberal and left wing act of is um.

1030
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: And then they realize, like that ship is hard because

1031
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: you're fighting against social inertia um, and so they turned

1032
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: to this kind of violent, nihilistic toxic bullshit. Um, because

1033
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: it's easier. Yeah, yeah it is, it's less challenging, and

1034
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: uh there's more direct ego based reward. I guess it's

1035
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: just oh God, because I'm really angry, because I'm really angry.

1036
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: Really does sum it all up, doesn't it? Yeah? Yeah

1037
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Well you want to plug your Jamie Yeah,

1038
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: this feels it always it is. It never feels right. Um,

1039
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: I love a good plugable, all right. Uh, I'm on

1040
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: Twitter dot com at Jamie Loft his Help and uh

1041
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. Can listen to the Bechdel

1042
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: Cast every Thursday. And yeah, that's that's what all plugables,

1043
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: that's all your plug dobles. Well, Uh, you can find

1044
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: me at I right okay on Twitter. Um, if you

1045
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: want to find a political philosopher who was not a

1046
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: violent nihilist uh and not anti woman, maybe read some

1047
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Murray book chin. Uh. You can find this podcast sources

1048
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: at behind the Bastards dot com. You can find uh

1049
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Speaker 1: shirts on te public behind the Bastards, And you can

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Speaker 1: find love inside your heart where it dwells in the

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Speaker 1: hearts of us all wherever it remains. Seek it out

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Speaker 1: where it remains and let leopards crush your children's bones

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Speaker 1: um or whatever whatever that line was. Yeah, let birds birds, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna plug Worst year ever? And now, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have a podcast called the Worst Year Ever. It's

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Speaker 1: about the election. Uh, speaking of being pushed into violent nihilism,

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Speaker 1: hard Sell, Hard Sell, I'm not good. It's selling things.