WEBVTT - So Now What? Technical Difficulties - Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Last episode, we covered some of the unique challenges facing

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<v Speaker 1>college football broadcasters amid the global pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>But football is a different animal altogether. There's so many

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<v Speaker 2>moving parts, so many things to see, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden it was, oh, okay, this will be challenging.

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<v Speaker 1>This is today we unpack a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to almost go and thinking, okay, there's certain things.

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<v Speaker 2>If I miss it's going to happen, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>beat myself up over it.

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<v Speaker 1>How did announcers learn from the experience and how will

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasting change, if at all, in the future from the

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<v Speaker 1>solid verbal This is a special production, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Now what.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ty hilden Brandt, joined as always by Dan Rubinstein.

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<v Speaker 1>In part one, we talked a little bit with a

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<v Speaker 1>Niche Schrof from ESPN about what it was like to

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast games remotely in the time of COVID. In Part two,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to continue talking about that, including what broadcasters

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<v Speaker 1>learned not just about the sport, but what they learned

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<v Speaker 1>about the process and what they learned about themselves. We

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk a little bit more about this remote

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<v Speaker 1>studio aspect. What's it like to be in a remote studio.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got every camera feed on Earth coming to the

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<v Speaker 1>desk in front of you. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to match the energy of the moment. You're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to build a rapport with somebody, hopefully who is

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<v Speaker 1>as your co hosts on the other side of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that go down?

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<v Speaker 2>We were in the same room, socially distant. He was

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<v Speaker 2>on one end, I was on the other. If somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else came into the room, we were masked up. We

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<v Speaker 2>were pretty much masked up at all times except when

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<v Speaker 2>we were on the air. But that really helped where

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<v Speaker 2>you can just kind of sometimes just look at him

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<v Speaker 2>and okay, you take this one, or Hey, I got

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<v Speaker 2>something I want to add here, and the nonverbal cues

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<v Speaker 2>which happens all the time during a broadcast, that allowed

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<v Speaker 2>us to kind of create some synergy and rhythm and chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>You had the best question though, how do you keep

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<v Speaker 1>it serious?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you keep it serious knowing that you're calling

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<v Speaker 1>a game that you are not physically at the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason that you've got any connection to it is because

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<v Speaker 1>of sophisticated means. So we asked him, like, was it

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<v Speaker 1>hard to keep serious?

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<v Speaker 2>You almost had to guard against it being too loose. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're still doing this on ESPN. Let's remember that in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning they didn't have the capacity to do on cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>So we would sometimes tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Our on camera in the studio before the game, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes before, and then you'd change, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>dressed in a and a hat and a hoodie and jeans,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Logan Bill's in there with his PBR

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<v Speaker 2>shirt and shorts, you know, with his feet up on

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<v Speaker 2>the table sipping his like, you know, gas station thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two ounce soft drink before the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he said is that towards the end, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least on some other occasions, he would just opt

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<v Speaker 1>not to change into the hat in the hoodie.

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<v Speaker 2>There were times where I would not change and just keep,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my shirt and tie on, just because it

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<v Speaker 2>gives you, at least mentally, this false sense of formality.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think you would do in that sitting, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably split the difference. I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>sell the fact that I'm not at the game, but

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<v Speaker 1>I understand what he's saying in terms of like feel

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<v Speaker 1>the part, act the part, and so that involves you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a shirt and tie and everything like that. Maybe I'd

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<v Speaker 1>wear a button down shirt a collared ship, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>wear it open with a T shirt under it or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, so I'd have both elements to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I'm not at the stadium. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, i did iron a shirt and try to

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<v Speaker 1>look somewhat presentable. But this is true of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who worked from who work from offices usually,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, why would you wear pants if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>on a zoom call that sees like your ribs up right?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you make that extra effort? And I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who generally are used to working

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<v Speaker 1>from home tell you get up, take a shower, work out,

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<v Speaker 1>put on like non sweatpant clothes, because there is that

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<v Speaker 1>element to taking your day and taking your job seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you are sitting in a room in your

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<v Speaker 1>house or a room in a studio where there's nobody else,

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<v Speaker 1>that there is that like look the part, dress the part,

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<v Speaker 1>feel the part. So I think I would wear I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would look like I was going to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to impress their house. I wouldn't dress

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<v Speaker 1>like a corporate style look but I would a carefully

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<v Speaker 1>selected wardrobe of Dan's not a total slob. That'd be

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<v Speaker 1>what I'd go for. What about you, I've worn a

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<v Speaker 1>collared shirt fewer than ten times in the last year.

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<v Speaker 4>I may wear one later today because there are people

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<v Speaker 4>coming over, like it's the first time I've had a

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<v Speaker 4>group of friends over that are at least going to

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<v Speaker 4>partially spend some time indoors in a long time, So

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<v Speaker 4>I might wear some sort of festive collared shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not worn a collared shirt in forever, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have tried that tactic of getting a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more dressed up if it's a more serious occasion.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a niche, though you let your hair go I

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<v Speaker 4>did let my hair go do people and a niche

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<v Speaker 4>was on air? And I'm sure this came up with

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<v Speaker 4>producers and stuff like what exactly are you doing a

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<v Speaker 4>niche with that hair? As he was letting his hair

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<v Speaker 4>go out? Did your co workers say anything to you

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<v Speaker 4>about the ever expanding koif a top quoth atop your hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Only when it got two out of control, but generally no. Generally,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of folks were in a similar position.

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<v Speaker 4>What did people on the other end of your zoom

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<v Speaker 4>calls look like well, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not talking four K cameras here, We're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>understand whatever the onboards are.

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<v Speaker 4>Were there like meatball palm stains or were people presenting

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<v Speaker 4>themselves you know these generals and CIA directors. Yeah, everybody

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<v Speaker 4>is keeping it very professional. Okay, that has never changed,

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<v Speaker 4>but definitely the attire has gone in a different direction than.

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<v Speaker 1>Like business casual. Let's say, it's just very casual now

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that it never was before.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the broadcasters will be excited to once again

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<v Speaker 4>that weren't able to to get back to a stadium

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<v Speaker 4>and to wear suits or to wear whatever they normally

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<v Speaker 4>wear in that business setting. I kind of miss it,

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<v Speaker 4>and I haven't worked from an office in quite some time,

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<v Speaker 4>but there is that element I liked of dressing up

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<v Speaker 4>for whatever you're actually supposed.

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<v Speaker 3>To be doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we asked a niche, based on his experiences in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, are we going to carry some stuff with

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<v Speaker 1>us through to twenty twenty one? Did we learn from

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<v Speaker 1>what that broadcasting process was like? Where are things headed here?

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<v Speaker 3>What the new normal looks like?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it will have some of the elements of

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw last year, because the reality is some

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff did work, some of.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked right, some of it worked, some of it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to get better at doing remote broadcasts. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we know that for sure. They're probably also going

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<v Speaker 1>to get better at that information relay process. Right, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got so many different people who are working on a

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast at any one time. Getting information to the broadcasters

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<v Speaker 1>in a timely fashion. I have to believe has always

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<v Speaker 1>been a challenge just to make sure that the most

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<v Speaker 1>up to date information is at their fingertips asap. I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta belie through the process here, they've gotten much much

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<v Speaker 1>better at doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean, think about it. What streamers are able

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<v Speaker 4>to do a huge emerging content force.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>They're able to broadcast playing video games or doing whatever

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<v Speaker 4>via Twitch, via YouTube, discord, whatever. They're able to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out lighting and camera angles and getting information on the

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<v Speaker 4>screen in live time. And now with the weight and

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<v Speaker 4>the resources of major broadcast networks, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to find ways again. I don't think big games are

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<v Speaker 4>going to be called by like Joe Buck and Chris

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<v Speaker 4>Fowler from their closets or from their basements or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But in terms of smaller matchups, in terms of conference

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<v Speaker 4>networks that are tasked with broadcasting Olympic sports or every

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<v Speaker 4>basketball game or every baseball game, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to see and it's not good for the broadcaster, the

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<v Speaker 4>broadcaster him or herself, but it is good for the

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<v Speaker 4>ability to to get a high quality broadcast up quickly

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<v Speaker 4>for fans. Maybe if you're watching a cross country meet,

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<v Speaker 4>a big twelve cross country meat that you normally wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be able to watch normally, it was just like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>here are a couple of cameras at different parts of

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<v Speaker 4>the course. All of a sudden, we're coming up with

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<v Speaker 4>new and interesting ways to broadcast something that wouldn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>have that high quality element. Suddenly we're able to do

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<v Speaker 4>something that feels super professional for pretty cheap. That's that's

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<v Speaker 4>where I think maybe the big winners are going to

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<v Speaker 4>be maybe that lower end broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked a niche what would he do personally to

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<v Speaker 1>try and learn from the experience to get better In

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<v Speaker 1>the heat of the moment moving forward down to twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>One, pretty much every week Sunday I would just spend

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<v Speaker 2>watching probably not the whole game, but bits and pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Okay, was that something I could have done better?

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<v Speaker 2>Or was that something where I was constrained because of

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<v Speaker 2>the format. And you kind of make notes and you

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<v Speaker 2>sort of take that back to your boss, is hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I found. And again they were so

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<v Speaker 2>good in working with us and taking that feedback and saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll try to make this a better system.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not really something you and I have to

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<v Speaker 1>do much of in the podcast setting. No, we certainly

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<v Speaker 1>do not go back and listen to that extent trying

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<v Speaker 1>to constantly get better at.

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<v Speaker 4>Wrong adjective, tie, damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>At do an hour show. But you can imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>that pressure must feel like to know that you're on ESPN,

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<v Speaker 1>you're calling a big game, the setting is not what

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually going to be, and here you are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on an island trying to figure this thing out

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<v Speaker 1>on the fly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wild that they, I mean, they have to. They

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<v Speaker 4>have to know that it's going to sound different and

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to sound weird as it relates to what

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<v Speaker 4>they normally sound like. I agree, I do think.

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<v Speaker 2>I got better. I do think I acquired new skills.

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<v Speaker 2>You're learning how to adapt in this environment. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest things is we can complain all we want.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, we're not there. We're not there. We're not there.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point you just have to accept, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the new normal, or at least the normal for now.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's make the best of it. What can we do.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had a really good producer and Paul Irvin

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<v Speaker 2>who was big on not letting us not being there.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's not use that as an excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still going to try to put the best quality

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<v Speaker 2>of football on TV and put the best production on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet not having four am wake up calls. That

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<v Speaker 2>makes your life easier. You get done with the game

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<v Speaker 2>at three point thirty and you're home for dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>you know you can watch the primetime game from the

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<v Speaker 2>comfort of your couch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't all bad. It wasn't all bad. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a Niche's takeaway was that it was challenging. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>sense much eagerness to go out there and do more

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<v Speaker 1>of this unless it's required. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely got better at working within the constraints of the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty season. In the COVID protocols, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>end was happy, happy with the job that he did,

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<v Speaker 1>happy with jobs certainly that the production crews did, came

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<v Speaker 1>away feeling okay about it all.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure happy that he has a job. At the

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<v Speaker 4>same time too, that there was a season, because who

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<v Speaker 4>knows what could have happened in terms of the networks,

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<v Speaker 4>which we were already having to cut back. Who knows

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<v Speaker 4>what happened if there's no season, if there's a severely

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<v Speaker 4>limited season. We saw what happened with the PAC twelve

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<v Speaker 4>and how the PAC twelve network was just completely gutted

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that they weren't going to be broadcasting games, knowing

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<v Speaker 4>that the type of revenue was not going to be

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<v Speaker 4>coming in. So yeah, you know, outside of like the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest of the big names, and anishe is a big name,

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<v Speaker 4>he's been there for a while, but like, what does

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<v Speaker 4>it look like if you have a bunch of broadcasters

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<v Speaker 4>and no games.

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<v Speaker 3>Week to week?

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<v Speaker 2>They came back to us and said, how can we

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<v Speaker 2>make this better? What can we do? And by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year, I'm not going to say it

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<v Speaker 2>felt seamless, but you felt comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt comfortable by the end of the year. They continually

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<v Speaker 1>improved on the process, and like I said at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel like by the end the product

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<v Speaker 1>was almost indistinguishable. Yeah, almost indistinguishable. They got really really

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<v Speaker 1>good at doing these remote broadcasts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we move forward into twenty twenty one, we

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<v Speaker 1>asked them, is it gonna be back to normal?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in wait and see mode. I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows. The hope is that we can get back

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<v Speaker 1>to some sense of normalcy in time for the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>That the product we see this coming fall is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot closer to what we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>every other college football season on record. You got fans

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<v Speaker 1>in the stands, maybe something of a reduced crowd, but

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<v Speaker 1>definitely better than what we had last year. Announcers hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>back in the booths commentating on these games, real crowd noise,

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<v Speaker 1>cheering on home teams, and an experience at least for

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<v Speaker 1>the home viewer as well as those fans who are

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<v Speaker 1>in the stands. I know a niche hopes for this

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because the one experience he had last year

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<v Speaker 1>where he went to a football game.

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<v Speaker 2>Once we went to Clemson for a game, and man,

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<v Speaker 2>when I tell you that was I think October. That

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<v Speaker 2>was mana for the soul, just to be out and

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<v Speaker 2>about at a stadium. They had people there socially distanced.

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<v Speaker 2>It was different. We're six feet apart, we had masks on.

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<v Speaker 2>You can really interact with people like you normally do.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got to tell you, it was like the

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<v Speaker 2>oasis in a desert. Oh my god, we're back at

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<v Speaker 2>a stadium and it felt good. But then we were

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<v Speaker 2>back in the studio after that.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, I come back to what I said

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<v Speaker 1>at the very beginning. I am amazed at the job

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<v Speaker 1>that these guys did. I am amazed at the job

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<v Speaker 1>that they did. I am surprised there weren't more grew ups.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely there were technical hiccups here and there. Pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>we all saw a couple of them. But the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they were able to pull this thing off without

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<v Speaker 1>any camera catastrophes or broadcasting mishaps bloopers that we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about for six straight months. I think this was a

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<v Speaker 1>really great accomplishment for a lot of the networks involved

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<v Speaker 1>with broadcasting college football, just that they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>get this thing off the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, Oh absolutely, it is. Yeah, one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>that yes, we I mean they had some lead up

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<v Speaker 4>time with a couple of other different sports. We had

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<v Speaker 4>early golf, we had Korean baseball, you know, with it

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<v Speaker 4>was a bog shambi doing remote Korean baseball. So there

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<v Speaker 4>were those elements of getting reps, getting practiced before the

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<v Speaker 4>football season about how it's all going to go. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that everything happened with minimal broadcast snaffos was a big win.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks again for listening. Don't forget.

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<v Speaker 1>You can catch our full interview with a niche out

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<v Speaker 1>on our Patreon at verballers dot Stop back next week

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<v Speaker 1>for our final installment, where we ask the same basic question,

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<v Speaker 1>so

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<v Speaker 3>Now what