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Speaker 1: Last episode, we covered some of the unique challenges facing

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Speaker 1: college football broadcasters amid the global pandemic.

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Speaker 2: But football is a different animal altogether. There's so many

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Speaker 2: moving parts, so many things to see, and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden it was, oh, okay, this will be challenging.

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Speaker 1: This is today we unpack a little more.

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Speaker 2: You have to almost go and thinking, okay, there's certain things.

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Speaker 2: If I miss it's going to happen, and I can't

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Speaker 2: beat myself up over it.

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Speaker 1: How did announcers learn from the experience and how will

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Speaker 1: broadcasting change, if at all, in the future from the

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Speaker 1: solid verbal This is a special production, So.

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Speaker 3: Now what.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ty hilden Brandt, joined as always by Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: In part one, we talked a little bit with a

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Speaker 1: Niche Schrof from ESPN about what it was like to

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Speaker 1: broadcast games remotely in the time of COVID. In Part two,

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue talking about that, including what broadcasters

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Speaker 1: learned not just about the sport, but what they learned

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Speaker 1: about the process and what they learned about themselves. We

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little bit more about this remote

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Speaker 1: studio aspect. What's it like to be in a remote studio.

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Speaker 1: You've got every camera feed on Earth coming to the

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Speaker 1: desk in front of you. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to match the energy of the moment. You're

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Speaker 1: trying to build a rapport with somebody, hopefully who is

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Speaker 1: as your co hosts on the other side of the room.

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Speaker 1: How does that go down?

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Speaker 2: We were in the same room, socially distant. He was

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Speaker 2: on one end, I was on the other. If somebody

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Speaker 2: else came into the room, we were masked up. We

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Speaker 2: were pretty much masked up at all times except when

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Speaker 2: we were on the air. But that really helped where

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Speaker 2: you can just kind of sometimes just look at him

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Speaker 2: and okay, you take this one, or Hey, I got

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Speaker 2: something I want to add here, and the nonverbal cues

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Speaker 2: which happens all the time during a broadcast, that allowed

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Speaker 2: us to kind of create some synergy and rhythm and chemistry.

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Speaker 1: You had the best question though, how do you keep

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Speaker 1: it serious?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How do you keep it serious knowing that you're calling

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Speaker 1: a game that you are not physically at the only

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Speaker 1: reason that you've got any connection to it is because

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Speaker 1: of sophisticated means. So we asked him, like, was it

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Speaker 1: hard to keep serious?

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Speaker 2: You almost had to guard against it being too loose. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you're still doing this on ESPN. Let's remember that in

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Speaker 2: the beginning they didn't have the capacity to do on cameras.

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Speaker 3: So we would sometimes tape.

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Speaker 2: Our on camera in the studio before the game, thirty

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Speaker 2: minutes before, and then you'd change, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: and you know, Logan Bill's in there with his PBR

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Speaker 1: And what he said is that towards the end, or

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Speaker 2: There were times where I would not change and just keep,

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Speaker 1: What do you think you would do in that sitting, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I would probably split the difference. I would love to

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Speaker 1: I understand what he's saying in terms of like feel

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Speaker 1: the part, act the part, and so that involves you know,

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Speaker 1: a shirt and tie and everything like that. Maybe I'd

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Speaker 1: of people who worked from who work from offices usually,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why would you wear pants if you're just

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Speaker 1: what I'd go for. What about you, I've worn a

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Speaker 4: I may wear one later today because there are people

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Speaker 4: I might wear some sort of festive collared shirt.

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Speaker 1: I have not worn a collared shirt in forever, and

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Speaker 1: I have tried that tactic of getting a little bit

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Speaker 4: Like a niche, though you let your hair go I

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Speaker 4: was on air? And I'm sure this came up with

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Speaker 4: about the ever expanding koif a top quoth atop your hair.

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Speaker 1: Only when it got two out of control, but generally no. Generally,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks were in a similar position.

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Speaker 4: What did people on the other end of your zoom

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Speaker 1: We're not talking four K cameras here, We're talking to

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Speaker 4: Were there like meatball palm stains or were people presenting

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Speaker 4: themselves you know these generals and CIA directors. Yeah, everybody

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Speaker 4: is keeping it very professional. Okay, that has never changed,

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Speaker 4: but definitely the attire has gone in a different direction than.

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Speaker 1: Like business casual. Let's say, it's just very casual now

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Speaker 4: I think the broadcasters will be excited to once again

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Speaker 4: and to wear suits or to wear whatever they normally

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Speaker 4: and I haven't worked from an office in quite some time,

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Speaker 4: but there is that element I liked of dressing up

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Speaker 3: To be doing.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: So we asked a niche, based on his experiences in

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Speaker 1: what that broadcasting process was like? Where are things headed here?

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Speaker 3: What the new normal looks like?

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Speaker 2: I think it will have some of the elements of

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Speaker 2: what we saw last year, because the reality is some

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Speaker 2: of that stuff did work, some of.

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Speaker 1: It worked right, some of it worked, some of it worked.

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Speaker 1: They're going to get better at doing remote broadcasts. I

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Speaker 1: think we know that for sure. They're probably also going

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Speaker 1: to get better at that information relay process. Right, You've

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Speaker 4: And I mean, think about it. What streamers are able

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Speaker 4: They're able to broadcast playing video games or doing whatever

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Speaker 4: But in terms of smaller matchups, in terms of conference

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Speaker 4: for fans. Maybe if you're watching a cross country meet,

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Speaker 1: We asked a niche what would he do personally to

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Speaker 2: One, pretty much every week Sunday I would just spend

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Speaker 1: This is not really something you and I have to

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Speaker 1: do much of in the podcast setting. No, we certainly

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Speaker 1: do not go back and listen to that extent trying

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Speaker 4: Wrong adjective, tie, damn it.

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Speaker 1: At do an hour show. But you can imagine what

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Speaker 4: It's wild that they, I mean, they have to. They

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Speaker 4: it's going to sound weird as it relates to what

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Speaker 4: they normally sound like. I agree, I do think.

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Speaker 2: I got better. I do think I acquired new skills.

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Speaker 2: You're learning how to adapt in this environment. And one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest things is we can complain all we want.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we're not there. We're not there. We're not there.

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Speaker 2: At some point you just have to accept, Okay, this

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Speaker 2: Let's make the best of it. What can we do.

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Speaker 2: And we had a really good producer and Paul Irvin

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Speaker 2: who was big on not letting us not being there.

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Speaker 3: Let's not use that as an excuse.

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Speaker 2: We're still going to try to put the best quality

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Speaker 2: And yet not having four am wake up calls. That

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Speaker 4: Thanks again for listening. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: You can catch our full interview with a niche out

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Speaker 1: on our Patreon at verballers dot Stop back next week

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Speaker 1: for our final installment, where we ask the same basic question,

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Speaker 1: so

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Speaker 3: Now what