1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heard 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome back to the most dramatic podcast ever. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harrison. I had an amazing time answering all 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: your questions and getting your phone calls in this last episode, 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: but we ran out of time. I couldn't get to 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: all of you, and I want to get two more. 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: So consider this a little bonus time for you and 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I let's dig a little deeper. I want to answer 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: more of your questions, and so my amazing producer Kendall, 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: we've we've pulled a bunch of questions and we're just 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna jump into him and so Kendall, if you were there, fire, 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's let's hear from everybody who listened to 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: the show and had something to say, the good, the bad, 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: and the ugly. Gus says, it would be helpful if 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: you explain why you were canceled. Do you want to 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: explain that? And for people who don't know, like us US, 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: it's called google man um. If you listen to those 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: two episodes and you had no idea what I was 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: talking about. God bless you, by the way, thanks for 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: sticking around for two hours because you must have been 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: thinking to yourself, what the hell is this guy referring to? 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: At no point did you think I'm gonna hit the 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: pause button. I gotta find out what this is about. Um, 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: But I appreciate you sticking through it, Gus. But yeah, 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: I didn't want to take everybody through the play by 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: play and minute by minute leading into I kind of 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: had to assume that you were up to speed with 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: me a little bit, so, Gus. If you weren't, I apologize. 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, just hit the Google unfortunately, or whatever search 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: engine you prefer. Whoever is going to actually sponsor this show. 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: It could be anybody. Sam says you are just a 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: host and don't actually have any relationship expertise. Ouch, how 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: will you be discussing relationships on the podcast? Hey, you guys, 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: don't mind just cutting to the chase here, you know, 35 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: just cut to it. I'm okay, Uh, Sam, Um, you 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: are right. At no time will I ever tell you 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: that I know everything, that I am an expert, that 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: I am a doctor. I have an honorary doctorate from 39 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City University. Um. But Sam, I've seen things and 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: I've lived through things in my over half a century 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: on this planet. But in nineteen years of hosting the 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: show and being intimately immersed in every aspect of a relationship, 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: and being married for quite some time, myself, having children, 44 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: going through a very public divorce, UM, raising those kids 45 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: with my ex, trying to date again, UM, finding love again, 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: being engaged again, and going through all of these emotions. 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: And so you're right. Technically, maybe I'm not a doctor, 48 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: but I played one on TV and Sam, I've seen things, 49 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: so I think I will be able, in all seriousness 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: to be helpful when people seek advice because I have 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: probably either been through that situation or I've seen that 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: situation played out before me. All right, Kendall, what do 53 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: you what else you have for us? We're going to 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: take a quick break and then I have a lot 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: coming your way. Bring it. Welcome back to the most 56 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: dramatic podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison, back with l Z 57 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: and we are back to your questions. Kendall are amazing producer. 58 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: What else do you have? Jacqueline wants to know if 59 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: you see yourself being a host in the future, and 60 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: adding onto that, I personally want to know, is there 61 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: any show that you would kill to be the host for? MM? Hmm. 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: You know I've done both, Jacqueline. I've done both. I 63 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: have obviously started this franchise from the beginning the Bachelor franchise, 64 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: and that was fun and it was amazing to start something. 65 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: But I've also jumped into franchises. I took over the 66 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: iconic hosting role of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, 67 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed trying to make that my own. So 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I will, I can. I can see myself coming back. 69 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: What's more important to me is not as much what 70 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm hosting anymore. It's who I'm working with. And at 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: a certain point in your life, luckily I get to 72 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: make that decision of who I want to work with 73 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: and who I want to surround myself with. This podcast 74 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: is a good example of that. I was offered a 75 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: lot of podcasts. I could have done this anywhere. I 76 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: did it at I Heart Radio because I have relationships 77 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: here and it was important to me to work with 78 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: these people. And so I will probably be back. And 79 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm being kind of dodgy here because I'm a big 80 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: fan of working in silence and working quietly, and then 81 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: you will see the fruits of that labor. And so 82 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to give too much away. There's some 83 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: exciting things on the horizon, um, but it's much more 84 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: important right now who we surround ourselves with and who 85 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: I work with. UM, I guess I'll leave it at 86 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: that for now. This is a good follow up question. 87 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: Ashley is asking if you would step back in and 88 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: return to the Bachelor or Bachelorette? Would you do that? 89 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Isn't that the fifty million dollar question? Why 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: do you say fifty dollars? Is that how much it 91 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: would take? I would probably go back to kind of 92 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: what I said that last answer, and that is it 93 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: is so important who I work with or work for. 94 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: I don't see a path back. You know, my mom 95 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: always taught me never say never, and so I won't 96 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: say that word. But I don't see a path back 97 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: where I could find happiness and contentment. And and by 98 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: the way, conversely, my guess is they feel the exact 99 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: same way. UM. This show, this, this whole concept is 100 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: about relationships. And I look at that question as a 101 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: relationship and we, most of us have made this mistake. 102 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: When you get out of a relationship, it ended for 103 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: a reason. You got out for a reason. Making the 104 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: mistake of going back into a relationship. You do it 105 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: sometimes for safety, you do it because it may makes 106 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: you feel good. You're longing for something. We remember the 107 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: good old days, the good times. You forget the bad 108 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: in relationships, and you go back to that that boyfriend, 109 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: you go back to that girlfriend, and as soon as 110 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: you're back, you're on date one, date two, and you're like, 111 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, how did I get myself back into 112 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: this situation? And now how can I hit the ejac 113 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: button and get back out? How am I breaking up 114 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: again with the same person? And so what I learned 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: in relationships I would apply here do I want to 116 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: get back in bed with that same girlfriend? And usually 117 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: the answer to that is no. Jen is saying she 118 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: found the first episode to be insufferable and that no 119 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: one wants to hear how hard the situation was for 120 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: you and how you couldn't fix it. You should really 121 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: start taking your own advice of not saying anything. Why 122 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: did you focus on yourself so much in that episod? 123 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Jin I love these so I'm watching you squirm a 124 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: little bit. Thank you for listening to however many episodes 125 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: you made it through, I'd be interested to know how 126 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: how long Jin made it? Did you make it all 127 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: the way through one episode? And if so, I hope 128 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: you you missed the best part, which was l Z 129 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: in episode two. Um, I'm sorry that you felt that 130 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: way about the show, but I felt like the first 131 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: episode needed to be me talking for the first time 132 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: in two years. I thought, if I jumped into the show, 133 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: into this relationship podcast and just said, Hey, so we're 134 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about hooking back up with your ex, 135 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, boyfriend or girlfriend again, and just acted like 136 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: nothing happened, and I just started talking about relationships, I 137 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: thought that would have been really insincere. And I thought 138 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 1: you guys would have been thinking, uh, hey, Bud, you 139 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: kind of skipped over a little something. And I thought, 140 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: and I said this off the very top of that 141 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: first episode, if we are to have this relationship, and 142 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: that's what this podcast is, it's not only about relationships. 143 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: It is a relationship, my relationship with you, which has 144 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: always been paramount to me. If this is going to happen, 145 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: if we're going to hook up in this way, I 146 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: needed to bear my soul. I needed to talk to you, 147 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: and I needed to kind of show all my cards 148 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: and I needed to go first. This will evolve into 149 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: something very different. We will start talking more about relationships 150 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: and things going on and talk to have interviews and 151 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: guests and all that stuff that will happen. But I 152 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: just felt like, in all seriousness, those first words from 153 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: me needed to be meaningful and and raw and open 154 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: and honest. And I'm sorry if it just seemed so 155 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: much about me. But I'm also just you know, self 156 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: centered narcissist. I'm a leo. What are you gonna do? Hey, Kendall, 157 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: are there any nice ones? I'm just hold on kinda. 158 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: I only want them if they're really meanless. Lauren loves this, 159 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: Elsie loves watching me scorm But hey, in all seriousness, 160 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: I will I will say this again. This wasn't about 161 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: sitting in an echo chamber and having a bunch of 162 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: people tell you exactly what you want to hear. You 163 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: get nowhere. There is no growth like that. I want 164 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: to hear the good, I want to hear the bad, 165 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: I want to hear the silly. That's what this is 166 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: all about. Life is messy. There are mistakes, so let's 167 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: lean into them, let's own them, and let's talk about them. 168 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: So bring it on as much as I can do 169 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: you mean legally, Yeah, Mark wants to know being the 170 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: host of the Bachelor and Bouchel for all those years 171 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: helped your own relationships and dating, did it? I mean 172 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: Elz sitting right here, She's the last girl I dated, 173 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: So I'll definitely let her come in on this. I'll 174 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: answer first, and you can correct me and make fun 175 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: of me. This is a perfect situation. I would say yes, 176 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: I would say I learned. There are the shallow things 177 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: that I learned, and that is the you know, I'm 178 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: a good planner. I really can curate a pretty damn 179 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: good date or trip um And and it's not that 180 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: I've taken things from the show, but yes you have 181 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: probably but you learn, but you learned some things. Now 182 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: you learn you learn how to kind of again curate 183 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: an amazing experience that is about that person and it's 184 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: about what she wants. And I'm speaking from my perspective. 185 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: She uh what Lauren would love. What I know Elz 186 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: is into and that that that's important is don't just 187 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: do something that I think is exciting, like I'm never 188 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: going to take elz Um on a golf trip and 189 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: and and try and sell it as hey, babe, I 190 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: have this amazing experience. Um. And so there is the 191 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: the shallow part of it, which, yeah, just curating and 192 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: all that I think I have become much better at. 193 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: But also I think on a deeper level, emotionally speaking, 194 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: I am a little more in tune to what people 195 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: are really trying to say. I'm a better listener. Um. 196 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: I would say I'm a better communicator than when I 197 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: started nineteen years ago. And look, some of that is 198 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: just growth as a human being and the experiences I've 199 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: had being a dad and getting my my kids partially 200 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: as a single dad, through young teenage years, graduation, getting 201 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: into college. You learn and you have to be a 202 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: better communicator, especially when you're by yourself as a parent sometimes. 203 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: And so a lot of things have led into this, 204 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: but surely I have to give credit where credits due, 205 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: and spending nineteen years on that show helped. Julie wants 206 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: to know if you can share all our parts of 207 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: your brother's letter. Actually, we got a lot of d 208 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: m s about this asking this question. I heard this 209 00:12:52,320 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: a lot, Julie, and the short answer is no. And 210 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: it's not because I won't, It's because I can't. For 211 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: the first time in the history I think of our relationship. 212 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: My brother listened to me and he took that letter down. 213 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: He's not the most technologically advanced guy, apparently, because he 214 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: typed it directly into Facebook. No joke. I don't know 215 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: who does this, but he he typed it directly in 216 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: and so when he took it down, it's gone. I 217 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: assumed he typed it somewhere and then you know, copy 218 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: and pasted it in or whatever. I'm not on Facebook. 219 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know how it works, but unfortunately it's 220 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: been lost forever. Um and it was I read it. 221 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: I only read it once. It was just a heartfelt 222 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: letter to the world, defending his little brother, about the 223 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: man that I am, the man that he knows, and 224 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: knowing that what was being said about me publicly, it's 225 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: just not in me. It was not a part of me. 226 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: And and you know, for a man that knows me 227 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: better than anybody in this world, he was just defending me. 228 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: And so that that letter will I don't know. Maybe 229 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: it's it's no pun intended poetic justice that it's lost 230 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: and will never be seen again. Um, I know what 231 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: it meant. I know where it came from. And but 232 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: it also hilariously kind of is typical of my brother, um, 233 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: because I called him and texted him, Hey, a lot 234 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: of people are asking about this letter. Is there any 235 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: way you could, you know, look back on your computer 236 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: you can find it. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 237 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: So finally today I texted him again. I said, hey, man, 238 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: not for nothing, but I'm I'm recording tonight if you 239 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: could look for that letter, it would really be great 240 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: if you don't mind. And he proceeds to text back 241 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: that he is in the middle of a bass fishing 242 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: tournament with his son, my my godson. They are out 243 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: bass fishing and they had a great day to day. 244 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: By the way, Sam caught a over nine pound bass 245 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and Glenn did really well also. So that's that is 246 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: the level of my brother. And they're one of my 247 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: favorite stories about my brother. His name is Glenn by 248 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: the way, and this is years ago. This must have 249 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: been early days of The Bachelor, like one or two 250 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: years in. I got the job as host of Miss America, 251 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: and I hosted Miss America for quite some time. I 252 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: think I was the second longest running host after Burt 253 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: Park who who was like the legend and but it was. 254 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: This was the first year, and it was a big 255 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: deal that I got this gig. It was three hours 256 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: of life TV. You know, I had a chance to 257 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: prove on a network level that I could do live 258 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: and I could get outside the Bachelor bubble. And so 259 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And I hosted it. And 260 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: and I'll date myself of how old this show was. 261 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: Clay Aiken was the musical performer on that show. Gus, 262 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: don't come at me. Google Clay Aiken before you say, 263 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: I should explain who it is. He was on American 264 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: Idol a long time ago. So I host the show, 265 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: and not to toot my own horn, but I kind 266 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: of killed it. And I'm in Atlantic City and I'm 267 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: in what I guess I could call the Rainman Suite. 268 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm in this beautiful room. It's far too big for 269 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: any human being, and I'm really feeling it. I wake 270 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: up the next morning. I'm ten ft tall. I am 271 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: on top of the world, and I get a call 272 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: from my brother and I see the color I d 273 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, you know, my brother is gonna 274 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: call and tell me what a great show I had. 275 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm really excited, and I pick up the phone, and 276 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: we start talking and we you know, we talked for 277 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: a few minutes and I'm like waiting and I'm waiting, 278 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, my brother says, oh 279 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: my gosh, I almost forgot. I'm so sorry, and I'm like, oh, 280 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: here we go. I caught the biggest bass the other day. 281 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: And he goes on this fish story and the moral 282 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: of this story and the through line on this It 283 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: is your family who will defend you. It is your 284 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: family and loved ones who will be in that foxhole 285 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: with you, take the bullets, stand beside you, stand in 286 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: front of you. It is also your family that will 287 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: burst that bubble and keep you humble. And whether it's 288 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: your family, and I say family loosely, I am luckily 289 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: lucky enough to have have a family, But whoever is 290 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: in your life that represents that, your friends, your loved one, 291 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: your significant other, whoever that is, I pray that you 292 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: have that someone who will build you up when you 293 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: need it, but knock you down when you need it 294 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: just as much. And that's what my brother has always 295 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: been for me. For It's asking if anyone from the 296 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: show reached out to you to check in and make 297 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: sure you're okay when you left the franchise a bunch 298 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: of people. Um, I I did name names. I kind 299 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: of listed some people. And it was the first or 300 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: second episode I remember last week. Um, it was second episode, 301 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: top of the second episode when I mentioned a list 302 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: of people. UM. And yes, there was a host of 303 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: people that have a reached out in the beginning but 304 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: have also reached out since. UM. And there's a couple 305 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: of people who I didn't mention. I wanted to mention 306 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: Graham Bunn, who's just such a sweet guy who's always 307 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: reached out to me. Dan Cox Um is another one 308 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: who's always just been a very very good friend. Brad 309 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: Walmack wrote me maybe the sweetest letter text letter that 310 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: I actually just got today because he had listened UM. 311 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: And he's funny because you know, of course Brady's like, 312 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, I don't listen to podcasts, but I listened 313 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: to yours. So he just left me this amazing message. UM. 314 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: And two people that Britta reached out this week after 315 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: the first two episodes aired that I don't know surprising 316 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: is is the right word, because that that kind of 317 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: puts a negative spin and negative connotation on it. I 318 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: don't mean it like that. But the two Hannah's, Hannah 319 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: Ann and Hannah Brown both reached out and both had 320 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: incredibly kind, supportive things to say. And Um, Hannah Brown 321 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: wasn't as big as a surprise because Hannah and I 322 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: have have always had this bond and this kind of 323 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: thing between us that we've always kept up with UM 324 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: and obviously her being the bachelorette, there was that chemistry 325 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: there because we were so intimately involved in her life 326 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: and and that relationship, and so that wasn't as big 327 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: a surprise. But Hannah An actually had reached out and 328 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: just said, you know, look, I we haven't kept in 329 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: touch as much and I'm sorry for that, but and 330 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: then went on to say some really kind things. So 331 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: those two notes really stood out to me this this week. 332 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: Britta question for Lauren and Chris, Okay, how they wants 333 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: to know, how did you find joy in the hard 334 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: days and what do you feel like is the most 335 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: important lesson you learned from all of this and something 336 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: you would tell someone who messes up in the future. 337 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm not a masochist. I don't I don't mean to 338 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: sound like I enjoy the tough times, but life isn't 339 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: a steady ascension. It's not just this simple road from 340 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: one success to the next, to the next to the next. 341 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: And if it were, it wouldn't be fun. It wouldn't 342 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: be interesting getting knocked on your ass, getting punched in 343 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: the gut and starting over. Making a mistake. Lord knows 344 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: I have made plenty, we all do. Everybody is fallible. 345 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: Everybody makes mistake. You will make mistakes. Now I hope 346 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: they're not as life altering is the one that I made. 347 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: But that's what makes life interesting. It's the messy stuff, um, 348 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: and getting through that, and that is the true true 349 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: resolve of a man or woman and your intestinal fortitude 350 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: of what's in you and how people respond. I always 351 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: look at how people respond when they're when they're down. Um. 352 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: It's easy to put up inspirational quotes and be all 353 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: fun and sappy when you're on top, when you're crushing it. 354 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: It's it's when someone's down and how they respond in 355 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: those moments that I really look to and I look 356 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: inside myself for those moments. How am I going to 357 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: respond to this? Um? And and so I would just say, 358 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: it's okay, embrace the mess, embrace your mistakes, they're gonna happen, 359 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: try to learn from them, try to grow from them, 360 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: try to become a better man or woman, and move forward. 361 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: And don't let those that want to hold on to 362 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: that keep you in that space. And this is a 363 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: really important thing. Don't stay there and don't let people 364 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: keep you there. There are those that want to because 365 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it makes them feel better, makes them 366 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: feel better about their own lives. It has something to 367 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: do with their own history and their own perspective or 368 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: things that happened to them that can't be on you. 369 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: You say what you have to say, apologize, fix it, 370 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: move on. But you need to move on. Don't stay there, 371 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: take that next step, wake up the next morning, move forward. 372 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: I said this a little last week. I am still 373 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: so very, very grateful for everything about the life that 374 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: we have, whatever we might have been through over the 375 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: past year and a half. Um, there are people who 376 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: go through so much worse. And I think what's so important, 377 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Life is going to throw things 378 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: at you. No one goes through life unscathed, and I 379 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: think one of the most important things we can do 380 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: is try to find join those dark times. UM, I 381 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: don't think there was, you know, a day that we 382 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: went by when we didn't smile at each other at 383 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: some point, and a lot of the time we had 384 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: to sort of find the wild humor in the situations 385 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: we were in. I don't know where we would have 386 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: been if we hadn't found a way to laugh a 387 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: little bit in those times. Bethany wants to know if 388 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: anyone betrayed you, like a cast member or employer or 389 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: anyone in your world. And if you're going to answer that, 390 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: I want to know why you think they betrayed you. 391 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: Oh wow, this question came through my d M S. Actually, 392 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna jump in. That is a big question, 393 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: and betrayal is a big word. But I will say, yes, 394 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: there were moments when I felt betrayed over the past 395 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: year and a half. Um, there were moments where we 396 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: were lied to, there were promises that were made that 397 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: we're not kept. Um, there were moments were Yeah, maybe 398 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: the word is betrayal because we were told one thing 399 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: and another was done. Um. But I don't want to 400 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: name names and get into specifics on that because I 401 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: don't hold anger towards those people. UM. One thing we've 402 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: been saying is that we all make mistakes, and I 403 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they feel differently about the things that 404 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: they did now, maybe they don't, maybe they will one day. Um, 405 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: but I don't hold anger about it. And uh, you know, 406 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: I think you said you even said something about this 407 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: on the podcast last week that maybe fits in, um, 408 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: that you can expect expect the best or what was 409 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: it you remind me is hope for the best, just 410 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: don't expect it out of people. The million dollar question 411 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: Linda is asking about your relationship with Rachel Kirconnell and 412 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: Matt James. Did you talk to them right after the interview? 413 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 1: And where do you guys even stand today? I'll kind 414 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: of break the answer up, Linda, thank you. Um, yes, 415 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: I did talk to Matt after the interview, and I 416 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: have talked to Matt and kept my relationship up with him. 417 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: We text from time to time. Well honestly, a lot 418 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: of it is not very deep, but he knows my 419 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: kids went to TCU. There was a lot of TCU 420 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: football text back and forth. We face timed once. My 421 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: relationship with Matt is much more. Again, I have a 422 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: relationship usually with the bachelor the bachelorette, which of course 423 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Matt was he has my number, I have his. Um. 424 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: Rachel Kirkconnell was one of the cast members. I don't 425 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: have her. Numb her. Um, we're not as close. I 426 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Rachel on the show though, 427 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: by the way, and I adore her wonderful, But I 428 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: just I haven't talked to her. I would love to 429 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: and hopefully I will someday. But Matt and I have talked, 430 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: and I would definitely say friendly. We're still friends. UM. 431 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: I am glad that they have made it. Going off 432 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: of that, Stacy's asking how you felt about you losing 433 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: your job and then Matt and Rachel getting back together 434 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: to that upset you at all or how did you feel? 435 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: That sounds like the through line of a soap opera. Um, no, 436 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: not at all. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Me leaving 437 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: the franchise has nothing to do with how I feel 438 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: about Matt and Rachel Kirconnell, which is I want them 439 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: to work. I wanted them to work though, you know, 440 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: going back to the interview, a large part of my 441 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: mindset that day and my heart was on them, was 442 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: caring for and trying to protect that relationship and trying 443 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: to help it, which at the time I knew was struggling, 444 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: and so No, I'm I'm happy. I'm ecstatic that they're together. UM. 445 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful that they have found love and 446 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: that they work their way through everything. I think it's great. 447 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: Melissa wants to know if you guys ever went through 448 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: counseling or therapy through this time, individual or as a couple. No, 449 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: we waited to get a podcast so that we could 450 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: get paid for therapy. You know, You're right. We didn't 451 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: think about that at the time, but that's I guess 452 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: that's what we did. No, we didn't go through We 453 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: didn't do any therapy together. Um. Other than every night 454 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: over a bottle of wine. I did a couple sessions 455 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: with a therapist on my own. UM, I don't think 456 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: you did. I forgot about that actually until now. Yeah, 457 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: I did not. Um, do you ever think about it? No, 458 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Um. I fully believe in it 459 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: and I love that. I don't know why I didn't 460 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: think to go that route. Um. I don't know. No, 461 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: I but I never did. But I had forgotten that 462 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: you that you have been and Laura and I didn't 463 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: do anything together but are you know. One thing that 464 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: is wonderful and I love about Lauren is she is 465 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: really good at communicating. Sometimes too good, no, but she's 466 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: she's a phenomenal communicator. And we're really good at hashing 467 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: things out, being very raw, being very honest, and however 468 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: heated things can get, we always kind of come back 469 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: together and realize that what we're always talking about is 470 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: our love and our commitment to each other. And so um, 471 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: we had our own little sessions and then you're right, 472 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I guess sadly we're doing this in to the world 473 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: now on a podcast. You know, as I think about it, 474 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: probably we did not seek therapy for a couple of reasons. 475 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: I think one, we were so nervous. We wanted to 476 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: be so protected at that time, like that inner circle 477 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: of who we could trust was so very small. Um. 478 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: And Two, I think maybe another reason we didn't do 479 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: therapy at the time was it was so intense and 480 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: we were having to make so many decisions day to day. 481 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know how I would have explained all 482 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: of that to a therapist at that point. I went 483 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: to a couple of sessions months later, and at that time, 484 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: even then I had kind of a tough time explaining it. 485 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: But I think I've been able to think through it 486 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: a little bit, and I knew what I wanted out 487 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: of those therapy sessions. I knew what I still needed 488 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: answers on and what I still needed help with. And UM, 489 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: so I did do a few sessions at that time. 490 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: And you're right, it was such a fluid situation. It 491 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: was moving so fast and there were how many decisions 492 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: being made every day. There's no way we had the 493 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: time to go catch somebody else up on this and 494 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: figure out how I was feeling about it. It It was 495 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: just you had to go. Um. And so, yeah, the 496 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: only time we could have done it was later. I 497 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: did not, But thank you for the question. This is 498 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: a question for Lauren. Actually, Heather's asking how you were 499 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: treated by e T at the time. ET was great 500 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: to me. They really were, Um, that is a group 501 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: of very supportive people and coworkers. UM. I got messages 502 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: from individual people I got, you know, and people would 503 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: stop me in the halls and and just kind of 504 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: give me some support at that time. UM, and they 505 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: really let me determine how I wanted to move forward, 506 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: um with with doing my recap review show Roses and Rose, 507 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: so I'm very grateful to have had a supportive workplace 508 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: at that time. They were great. You know, I'm wanting 509 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: to know this answer too, and for whoever else wants 510 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: to know, what are your wedding do dells? Do you 511 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: have a date or have you sent out invites or anything? 512 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: We do have an answer, but unfortunately we're out of 513 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: time this week. I'm sorry to do that to you, 514 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: but in all seriousness, we gotta wrap up this week. 515 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Thank you for your questions, responses, comments. 516 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: It has meant the world's Lauren and I truly appreciate it. 517 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on the most Dramatic podcast Ever. 518 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I will talk to you next week because we have 519 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 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