1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Surveillance. Overall, what we see is a 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: slow growth world where the fast growth markets are not 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: growing as fast as they used to. I look at 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: the banks, and sometimes it's hard to differentiate between a 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: great large gap versus a great small cap bank. On 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: the financial side, I don't want to sit here and 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: say we have a crystal ball and we know where 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: the price of oil is going in the future. We 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, it can't fall forever, but 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: we just don't know where it's gonna go. Bloomberg Surveillance 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: your link to the world of economics, finance, and investment 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. Good morning, I'm Michael Okay. It is 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: seven am on Wall Street eight pm in Shanghai, where 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: the world's most important finance ministers and central bankers will 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: gather this weekend to discuss the global economy and the 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: fear that grips investors these days. That fear back at 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: evidence this morning, European shares lower the stock six hundred 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: by almost eight points two point three percent. The docks 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: is down two hundred and forty points right now two 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: and a half percent. Here in the U S. SMP 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: features off sixteen nine tenths, nine tenths for dal features, 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: they're down a hundred and forty four. Nazzaki mini features 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: are off fifty one point two percent, a lot of 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: red on the screen. Fears back in the bond markets, 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: with the yield sliding Tenure note yield one point six 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: nine seventy three basis points yere two year the German 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: to your negative fifty four basis points, and the action 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: really in the currency markets, where the dollar index is 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: up four tenths today. Look at this end price one 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: eleven seventy eight, the Euro one O nine sixty five, 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: and Brexit fears driving the pound ever lower breaks through 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: one forty one eighty nine at the moment. But if 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: you are hoping, if you are trading on the idea 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: that G twenty will act this weekend to save you 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: and the world, you are wrong. That is the message 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: from US Treasury Secretary Jack lou in this remarkable and 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: exclusive interview with our David Weston. I'm hopeful that this 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: will be at G twenty where we take the commitment 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: that we got in in in the last meetings UH 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: for countries to refrain from competitive devaluation and push it 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: a little bit and and have that be something that 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: that is heard outside of the meeting room, but to 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: reassure the world that that that is a commitment taken 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: seriously with the twenty largest economies. What can we hope 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: to see in the communicate coming out of these meetings 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: that goes beyond that or is it a matter of 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: taking the last communicate and marking it up. I think 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: what's different is um These last months have made clear 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: that the weakness and demand globally is a problem that 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: can't be solved just for everyone. Looking to the United States. 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: I've been telling my counterparts for a couple of years now, 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: I think we're doing pretty well. They think we're doing 53 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: pretty well. But you can't count on the United States 54 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: providing all the demand for the world. We can't be 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: the consumer first and last resort. There needs to be more. 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: And what does that mean. It means that in countries 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: that are big economies, regions that have big economies, they 58 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: need to use policy tools. So you know, when China 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: looks at what can it do, it has to look 60 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: at how does that stimulate consumer demand? When Europe looks 61 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: at its tools, it looks beyond monetary policy but it 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: asks what can it do with fiscal policy as well, 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: And in a country like Japan, where you know there's 64 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: been two decades now of slower negative growth UM, they're 65 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: careful not to make the mistake of stopping the economy 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: with fiscal policies that put the brakes on, but instead 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: use fiscal policy to drive things forward. Fiscal policy can't 68 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: solve all the problems. There are structural issues that need 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: to be addressed uh some in some countries it's regulatory, 70 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: some countries it's labor markets, and some countries it's financial reform. 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Those structural issues need to be addressed, but fiscal and 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: monetary policy are important tools. When used together, they're powerful 73 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: and that's the message we bring that combined with sharing 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: information about exchange rates, having a clear understanding that it 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: is unacceptable to target exchange rates to gain unfair advantage 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: outside of your country. That's a begger thy neighbor strategy. 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: That's just is a question of who gets more of 78 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: the existing pie. It doesn't grow the pie um. And 79 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: I think that as I talked to my counterparts, they 80 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: understand that that is they want to be clear that 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: that's not a direction that we the world community can 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: go and I'm hoping that this G twenty reinforces that. 83 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of speculation in the world 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that that that these conversations could lead to different kinds 85 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: of decisions on that. So underscoring that, um that that 86 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: is an important principle. I think it's pretty important. So 87 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: in your answer, you started actually with global demand, and 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: we hear econd of talking about the business leaders say 89 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: the problem we have to some extent is really a 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: demand problem at this point, what could be done? Do 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: you hope this communicate or the agreement coming out of 92 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: G twenty actually does have specifics about how global demand 93 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: could be stimulated. So, you know, I think if you 94 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: look at these agreements, they are are general principles that 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: apply in different countries in different ways, and there's always 96 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about the words, because no country 97 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: wants to sign onto general words that it knows it 98 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: will be uh, it will be behaving inconsistently with so 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: getting those principles right, getting a little bit more meat 100 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: on the bones makes a difference. I can't get ahead 101 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: of the process. We're still going back and forth before 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: we even meet on some of these issues. I don't 103 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: think this is a moment in time when you're going 104 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: to see individual countries make the kinds of specific commitments 105 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: that have been made in some other contexts that have 106 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: been marked by real crisis. This is not a moment 107 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: of crisis. This is a moment where there you know, 108 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: you've got real economies doing better than markets think. You know, 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: in some cases you have um a future that could 110 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: be influenced very much by the kinds of policies that 111 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm describing, And the idea is how do you avoid 112 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: having things go to a place that you don't want 113 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: them to go. That's a different conversation than what do 114 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: you do when you're in the middle of a full 115 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: blown crisis. The only time you see the kinds of 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: communicates with that kind of detail is once you've gotten 117 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: beyond the point. So I'm hopeful that the kind of 118 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: conversation that I'm describing actually moves the dial Let me 119 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: put it this way. If the conversation were to go 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: the other way, and you were to see some reticence 121 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: to make the commitment to refrain from competitive evaluation and 122 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: not take a little bit of a step further, that 123 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: would be a cause of real concern because right now 124 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: it's a moment in time where if one country were 125 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: to move in that direction, there's a triggering effect of 126 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: knock on policies, and that would be a very bad 127 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: thing for the global economy. It wouldn't grow the economy 128 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: for sure, and I think it could lead to it 129 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: could lead to very negative ramifications, both economically and and 130 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: and geopolitically. So I think this is actually an important 131 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: moment and these kinds of principles really matter. There's no 132 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: substitute for seeing your counterpart. It's face to face and 133 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: talking to them. And the world will be watching to 134 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: some extent, particularly markets will be watching, economic actors, were 135 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: investors were watching. Are you concerned that expectations may be 136 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: too high about what the G twenty can deliver as 137 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: a practical matter when it comes to growth. Well, obviously, 138 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: my response in a bit is sending a clear message 139 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: don't don't expect a crisis response in a non crisis environment. Um, 140 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: it's not the job of finance ministers and central bank 141 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: governors to accelerate a crisis. It's our job to try 142 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: and avoid a crisis. If you're in a crisis, you 143 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: do different things. Obviously, the meetings after the financial crisis 144 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: during the recession had a different character to them. Um. 145 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: You know, I have, in my conversations with counterfarts, gotten 146 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: a strong sense that there is serious attention being given 147 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: to how to address the issues that we're discussing, and 148 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: I think together by having this kind of conversation, we 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: can lead to better outcomes. Does that mean that coming 150 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: out of this you'll have point estimates of what each 151 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: country is going to do? And how you rarely get 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: that out of a meeting like the so I think 153 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: that would not be the kind of expectation to have. 154 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's unreasonable to have the expectations 155 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: that coming out of this will be a more stable 156 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: understanding of what the future may look like. And that 157 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: and that is um, that is an important thing. Because 158 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: you look at the world's reaction to the policymaking in 159 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 1: China over the last two months, really last six months 160 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: since August. UM, it's underscored how communication of policy is 161 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: critically important in order to have the market and other 162 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: counterparts around the world know what you intended, what you 163 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: can be expected to do. I think that it's not 164 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: just a problem a challenge in China. It's obviously a 165 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: problem as as as each of us undertakes policies, and 166 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: these meetings are a chance to to work through some 167 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: of those issues. US Treasury Secretary Jack lu Very UM 168 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: forthcoming forthright ended uh interview in which he basically tells, 169 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: dive at Weston. If you are in the markets and 170 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: you think that there's going to be some sort of 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: coordinated effort to save you, not gonna happen. Yeah. I 172 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: thought it was very preg twenty. It was way above 173 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: average in terms of always the Luke candor that was there. 174 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: But but I thought it was assertive. And when you 175 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: link that into the challenges that Cherry Yelling has looking 176 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: at it better than good US economy look at Lowses 177 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: earnings this morning, like home depots yesterday. I really think 178 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: it's something anybody on global Wall Street has to pay 179 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: attention to, even with markets responding of this morning with 180 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: their collective deterioration. Indeed, and um, at this point, uh, 181 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: you wonder how markets are gonna go from where they're 182 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: gonna go from here, knowing there's no safety dat underneath. Well, 183 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: that's what we have. Let me do a day to 184 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: check here first, though, folks. This morning, Bloomberg Surveillance ronch 185 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: you buy Investco. 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