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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome Breaking Points. Emily tishinskieker to see

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Speaker 2: you this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so a bunch of stuff to get into.

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Speaker 2: We had some breaking news yesterday evening. We had to

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Speaker 2: add insco to saying that Trump can move ahead with

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Speaker 2: his plans to dismantle the Department of Education.

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Speaker 5: So we will quickly break.

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Speaker 2: Down the news there before getting into memo apparently went

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Speaker 2: out Emily to Maga of basically move on from Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: We're done talking about this and some creators at least

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Speaker 2: are getting the message. Charlie Kirk, I saw Danesh Jesus,

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Speaker 2: some Congressman Mike Lawler as well, so kind of interesting there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a We have some interesting clips.

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Speaker 6: The Charlie Kirk clip I think is particularlys kidding well

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Speaker 6: worth diving into yes.

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Speaker 2: In addition, interesting debate between Megan Kelly and Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 2: on whether there's any there there about some of the

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Speaker 2: various theories surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. So that's an interesting one

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Speaker 2: as well. Megan Kelly really in her element when she's

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Speaker 2: diving into these kind of legal debates, so that's a

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Speaker 2: fun one to watch. We have Rokhana joining. He had

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Speaker 2: introduced an amendment to compel the release of the Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein files, and lo and behold, Republicans voted it down

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Speaker 2: in committee. So Congresson Kana is going to join us

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Speaker 2: to talk about that. Also going to ask him a

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Speaker 2: for the future of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: So that should be great.

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Speaker 2: We've got Trump threatening additional tariffs on Russia. At this point,

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Speaker 2: he is just sort of fully embraced the Neo Khon

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Speaker 2: say we're also taking a look at a number of

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Speaker 2: unquote disinformation. So that's an interesting comment to dive into.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to interview a guy named Joshua Aaron.

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Speaker 2: He is a tech entrepreneur and he developed an app

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Speaker 2: called ice Block, which allows people sort of like ways

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Speaker 2: up of where ice is and where these raids are

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Speaker 2: going on. So pretty interested he's in talking to him.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of come under fire emily also directly from

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration, so I want to get his reaction

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely big show. I'm excited to watch that interview.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to this Scotis decision.

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Speaker 2: This is quite a significant one, I would say, and

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Speaker 2: So the Supreme Court I'm reading here from CNN on Monday,

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Speaker 2: said President Trump may proceed with his plan to carry

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Speaker 2: it by firing thousands upon thousands of employees. A court

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Speaker 5: You can't do this.

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Speaker 2: Not that there's any guarantee that they would rule in

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Speaker 6: And what a lot of people actually that are pressuring

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Speaker 6: right look at this and say okay, so somebody else

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Speaker 6: somebody else is going to be able to step in

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Speaker 6: and just rebuild, to your point, Crystal, the Department of Education,

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Speaker 6: and it'll be like the Trump administration basically never happened.

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Speaker 6: So now he's going to get pressure to go even

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised at all

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Speaker 6: if the Court has to decide whether it's the Education

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Speaker 6: without going back through Congress, can de facto disassemble these

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Speaker 6: congressionally what's the right word for it, these congressionally approved

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Speaker 6: Just by firing and education was happening at peak Doge

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a few things to say about that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But in terms of this conservative ideological project, the Supreme

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Speaker 2: The other thing to say about the Department of Education,

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Speaker 2: which you know, handles if there's discrimination in a school

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Speaker 2: system or the like, backstopping civil rights handles, all of

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Speaker 2: There's also you know, additional funding that goes to goes

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Speaker 2: like there's you know, those are some of the significant things.

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Speaker 2: They also do a lot of research into education and

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Speaker 2: best practices, et cetera. The Trump administration has at the

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Speaker 2: to the States, they are also in a certain sense

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Speaker 2: aggressively using the Department of Education to go after their

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Speaker 2: ideological adversaries. So the you know anti Semitism jihad which

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Speaker 2: is being used to undercut any number of really you know,

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Speaker 2: things of that nature, that all comes out of this

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Speaker 6: Ran and I interviewed the chief author of the Project

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Speaker 6: from the outside perspective, they had a systematic process for

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Speaker 6: disassembling the Department of Education. Basically that involves off ramping

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Speaker 6: And this is a really significant question for people like

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Speaker 6: They are using Title seven and Title nine in similar

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Speaker 6: Title seven violations, Title nine violations, and with that goes

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Speaker 6: that these administrations have made from here in d C,

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Speaker 6: which are something that conservatives don't typically agree with, and

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Speaker 6: so yeah, that's they're using that significant. They're significantly using

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Speaker 6: those powers right now to threaten and pressure higher education.

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Speaker 4: And in theory, at least those powers would.

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Speaker 6: Go to the departm and of Justice and you wouldn't

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Speaker 6: have a massive I guess, you know, bureaucracy in the

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Speaker 4: Like those powers right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, I think we've also had the

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Speaker 2: cuts can have real costs. I'm not saying lives will

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Speaker 2: So the idea that they're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: them to other agencies and everything is going to proceed

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Speaker 5: Think it's pretty far fetched.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think we'll be waiting to see

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Speaker 2: what the potential fallout is here, because yes, most education

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.

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Speaker 2: So Emily, we need to just stop being so immature

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Speaker 6: That's I mean, incredibly bizarre part of being on a

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Speaker 6: Actually the if you reversed that and had a Democrat

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Speaker 4: They're they're not.

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Speaker 2: just move on. I watched the Epstein Netflix docs last night,

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Speaker 5: Who cares.

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Speaker 2: No, it actually matters that we get to the bottom

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Speaker 4: Except for salt.

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Speaker 6: He absolutely would not vote unless he got that salt

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Speaker 6: deduction up.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that was a bipartisan concern from members in

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Speaker 2: that region in particular. But in any case, he says

444
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Speaker 2: the same thing. Who cares. Let's move on, Let's listen.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 9: I'm probably not the person to ask, because I don't

447
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Speaker 9: speak in conspiracy theory, but at the end of the day,

448
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Speaker 9: there's a lot bigger issues facing this country than Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: The guy is dead and buried. Let's move on.

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Speaker 9: Okay, if somebody committed a crime, if somebody affiliated with

451
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Speaker 9: Jeffrey Epstein committed a crime, they should be prosecuted. In

452
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Speaker 9: the absence of that. Frankly, this seems like a colossal

453
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Speaker 9: waste of time and effort and frankly, a lot of nonsense.

454
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Speaker 9: There are a lot of issues facing this country right now.

455
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Speaker 9: A dead pedophile ain't one of them.

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Speaker 2: And I think, look, I mean, it technically is a

457
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory because you're talking about an actual conspiracy, but

458
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Speaker 2: that's also just an attempt to delegitimize all of this

459
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Speaker 2: and sort of put it in the bucket of QAnon,

460
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Speaker 2: which is preposterous. I mean, mainstream reporters to go read

461
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Speaker 2: Julie K. Brown, Go read what is out there. Go

462
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: read what our own government has said about Jeffrey Epstein

463
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Speaker 2: and the files that they were able to procure from

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Speaker 2: his various residences and the you know, the tapes and

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Speaker 2: the photos that they pulled from his mansion in the

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Speaker 2: Upper east Side. You know, go talk to people who

467
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Speaker 2: are saying, like, Okay, well, how did he even make

468
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Speaker 2: his money?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 5: This is this is not looney tubes.

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Speaker 2: There are legitimate, like documented, unanswered questions about how all

472
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Speaker 2: of this went down. And so it's really frustrating to

473
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Speaker 2: me when people just try to put this in the

474
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Speaker 2: QAnon bucket. It like it's all just like preposterous tinfoil

475
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Speaker 2: had stuff. To stop gaslighting us, like, stop pretending like

476
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Speaker 2: this wasn't a real thing that really happened.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly what they're Yeah, and again we know if

478
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Speaker 6: this were a bi An administration, people like Mike Lawler

479
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Speaker 6: would not be saying what they're saying. And if you

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Speaker 6: trust the Trump administration so much, then go look at

481
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Speaker 6: what the Trump administration said until they got the keys. No,

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Speaker 6: it would be one thing if they had come out

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Speaker 6: and dismissed all of this, said case clothes with mountains

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Speaker 6: of evidence suggesting why everything they have produced so far

485
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Speaker 6: has been absurd. And I know we're going to get

486
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Speaker 6: into this because Ben Shapiro, Megan Kelly got into this.

487
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Speaker 6: But like the evidence that they have produced to tell us,

488
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Speaker 6: there is no there there that Epstein just truly did

489
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Speaker 6: kill himself, which may actually be true. I don't particularly

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Speaker 6: believe it, but that could be true. It's not mutually

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Speaker 6: exclusive with the idea that he was involved in a

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Speaker 6: blackmail scheme or was intelligence. But they put forth the

493
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Speaker 6: video that Wired scrape the metadata of and was like, this.

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Speaker 4: Is not the raw footage. And they then said, well

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Speaker 4: we can't.

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Speaker 6: Also, we have all of this stuff, but we can't

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Speaker 6: release it because it would be retraumatizing victims, and it

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Speaker 6: would be putting like pedophile stuff onto the internet, like

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Speaker 6: child pornography onto the internet.

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Speaker 4: None of that is convincing whatsoever.

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Speaker 6: And so all you have to do is listen to

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Speaker 6: what they said before they were implicated in the being

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Speaker 6: the people who could actually release this information, Mike Lawler,

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Speaker 6: and you should listen to those versions of these same people,

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Speaker 6: because I think they made some great points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true, put a four up on the screen. I mean,

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Speaker 2: apparently Fox News got the memo as well. As of noon,

508
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Speaker 2: there were zero Epstein mentions. However, Joe Biden and the

509
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Speaker 2: autopen scandal quote unquote had a forty six mentions, so

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Speaker 2: you know, really focused on the on they're now with

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Speaker 2: that one. And then just as a reminder of all

512
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Speaker 2: of the weirdness, and we went through yesterday a bunch

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Speaker 2: of the Trump connections with Jeffrey Epstein, which are substantial,

514
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Speaker 2: just as a reminder of the weirdness with which he

515
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Speaker 2: has always approached this case and the fact that you

516
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Speaker 2: know what, he would get asked, Oh, you're going to

517
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Speaker 2: release the JFK files. You're going to release the RFK files,

518
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Speaker 2: like you're going to release the UFO files. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: you're going to release the Epstein files.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Actually no, I don't think I will release those. He

522
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Speaker 2: always got squarely on that one. But he also was

523
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Speaker 2: really weird when remember, you know, during the first Trump administrations,

524
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Speaker 2: when Epstein's killed and then there were questions about Epstein

525
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Speaker 2: killed himself.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: And then there are questions about whether or not Ghlaine

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Speaker 2: Maxwell will be found guilty. Apparently we now have, you know,

529
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Speaker 2: indications Trump thought about partnering her as well. And when

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Speaker 2: he got asked about her trial and what he wanted

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Speaker 2: to see happen, he said he wishes her well.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: To that, mister Preston the other day, a report asked

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Speaker 10: you about Glaine Max. You said, quote, I just wish

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Speaker 10: her well. Frankly, I've met her numerous times over the years,

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Speaker 10: especially since I lived in Palm Beach, but I wish

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Speaker 10: her well.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, Miss prestt.

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Speaker 10: Glen Maxwell has been arrested on allegations of child sex trafficking.

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Speaker 10: Why would you wish such a person?

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't know that, but I do know that

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Speaker 11: she has.

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Speaker 4: She's been arrested for that.

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Speaker 11: Friend or boyfriend Epstein was either killed or committed suicide

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Speaker 11: in jail. She's now in jail. Yeah, I wish you well.

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Speaker 11: I'd wish you well. I'd wish a lot of people

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Speaker 11: well good luck. Let them prove somebody was guilty.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you do you know this?

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Speaker 10: Oh, so you're saying you hope she doesn't die in jail.

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Speaker 10: Is that what you mean by wish her well?

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Speaker 11: Her boyfriend died in jail and people are still trying

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Speaker 11: to figure out how did it happen?

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Speaker 7: Was it suicide?

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Speaker 11: Was he killed? And I do wish you well. I'm

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Speaker 11: not looking for anything bad for her. I'm not looking

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Speaker 11: bad for anybody. And they took that and I mean, she's

557
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Speaker 11: a child, such a big deal. But all it is

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Speaker 11: is her boyfriend died. He died in jail. Was he killed?

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Speaker 11: Was it suicide? I do I wish it well?

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Speaker 5: What a bizarre answer, Emily is so.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's so strange that he I mean, it's not.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious what you make of this because like in

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Speaker 6: the sense it's not strange at all, right, Like it

565
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Speaker 6: makes complete sense. But just from the perspective of, like,

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Speaker 6: why would you be so transparently wishy washy on the

567
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Speaker 6: alleged child sex predators, as Jonathan Swann put it there

568
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Speaker 6: when you know that there are these like voluminous connections,

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Speaker 6: as he even pointed out there listen, like whether or

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Speaker 6: not he's directly implicating any of this, there's a significant

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Speaker 6: question of whether he was trying to signal to Gallaine

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Speaker 6: Maxwell not to talk. And now that The Daily Mail

573
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Speaker 6: has a source, I don't know if you said this story.

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Speaker 6: Chrisley probably did. Yeah, The Daily Mail is saying that

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Speaker 6: Gallainne Maxwell is ready to reveal the truth about Jeffrey

576
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Speaker 6: Epstein and is ready to speak so enormous screen of

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Speaker 6: salt Daily Mail anonymous source.

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Speaker 4: But I mean that could be pretty interesting, Crystal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, she's obviously a convicted chrimime and this

581
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Speaker 2: is a disgusting, horrific person who deserves to spend the

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Speaker 2: rest of her life in prison, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: But she also would certainly be in a position to know,

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Speaker 2: and I have a feeling that she feels pretty bitter

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Speaker 2: that she's the only one who went to prison for this,

586
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Speaker 2: you know, sex trafficking ring.

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Speaker 5: Again, she deserves it.

588
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: She should be there, but there are others who likely should.

589
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Speaker 5: Be there as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to this Meghan Kelly Ben

591
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Speaker 2: Shapiro debate, which I watched all of and I thought

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Speaker 2: was pretty interesting. You know, Meghan didn't take like a

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Speaker 2: hard position of like I definitely think that he was

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Speaker 2: killed or I definitely think that there are other powerful

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Speaker 2: people who are implicator or whatever. She was more in

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Speaker 2: the like, I really don't think we know exactly what

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Speaker 2: went on here, And Shapiro was in the camp of like, Nope,

598
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Speaker 2: nothing to see.

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Speaker 5: Here, let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this first piece,

601
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Speaker 2: which to me was just extraordinary because Ben says this

602
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Speaker 2: thing of basically like, yeah, I was open to it,

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Speaker 2: but once we got that memo, then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I guess there's I guess there's nothing to see here.

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Speaker 5: Let's cut and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 1: The government admits this.

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Speaker 12: The FBI established that Epstein used paid employees to repeatedly

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Speaker 12: find and bring minor girls to him. Epstein worked in

609
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Speaker 12: concert with others to obtain minor girls not only for

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Speaker 12: his own sexual gratification, but also for the sexual gratification

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Speaker 12: of others. So I don't know exactly what that means, Ben,

612
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Speaker 12: but I know that's our government admitting in court that

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Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein use worked in concert with other others to

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Speaker 12: obtain minor girls not only for himself, but also for

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Speaker 12: the sexual gratification of others who who are the others

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Speaker 12: who who specifically, I mean that hasn't been answered. You've

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Speaker 12: heard names.

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Speaker 13: I mean, answer is Glenn Maxwell, right, who's in prison

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Speaker 13: right now for having engaged in the sexual abuse of children.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 13: And one of the other people that you just mentioned

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Speaker 13: is one of the others, right, Nadia whatever her name is.

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Speaker 13: So you know that that is sort of the big

624
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Speaker 13: open question that everyone was asking, was, Okay, who's that?

625
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Speaker 13: Like Stephen Hawking, right, because he was one of the

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Speaker 13: names who was mentioneder Elan Derschwitz was one of the

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Speaker 13: names of who Barack or let Schwsner, right, like all

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Speaker 13: these were were and and again here's my thing. I

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Speaker 13: was open to every single one of these theories until

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Speaker 13: the DOJ n FBI put out a memo saying, we

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Speaker 13: have looked at all the evidence and here's what we

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Speaker 13: have come to.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 12: Then you're persuaded by that memo without without more, I mean, like,

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Speaker 12: I wasn't persuaded.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not I'm not persuaded

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Speaker 1: by a memo.

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Speaker 13: What I'm persuaded by is the fact that I have

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Speaker 13: not seen evidence that they have seen, and so I'm

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Speaker 13: not prepared to call Dan Bongino, Cash Betel, President Trump, JD.

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Speaker 12: Vans and there are two page memos, there's no credible evidence,

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Speaker 12: no credible evidence. Well, somebody's made a judgment call there

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Speaker 12: and there's all You could drive a truck through that exception.

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Speaker 5: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 4: M Well, it's exactly what we were just talking about.

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Speaker 6: That if the Trump administration, let's let's say, even the

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Speaker 6: two of us and people who have covered the story

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Speaker 6: seriously and skeptically for years, if the Trump administration came

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Speaker 6: out and produced evidence beyond trust us and a not

650
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Speaker 6: raw piece of video that they told us was raw

651
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Speaker 6: and said, listen, we really did look into it, and

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Speaker 6: we're going to show our work here and give you

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Speaker 6: reason to believe us other than again, literally just trust us.

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Speaker 6: That's all we've gotten so far. And so to say

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Speaker 6: I take their word for it. The conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 6: is years and years in the making, where you have

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Speaker 6: all of this public reporting. As I was listening to it,

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Speaker 6: I was just like frustrated that from like a rational perspective,

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Speaker 6: there's so much evidence in the category that there's a

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Speaker 6: lot more to see than what the Trump administration is

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Speaker 6: telling us, which is why even non conspiratorial people are

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Speaker 6: onto the quote unquote conspiracy bandwagon in this case because

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Speaker 6: there's mountains of public evidence reporting that there's much This

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Speaker 6: goes much much deeper, and so from a rational perspective,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't make sense to dismiss the case because you.

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Speaker 4: Trust the word of people in power.

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Speaker 6: It's just it's weird, and I think it's It sounds

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Speaker 6: like someone trying to get to the conclusion that nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I mean very interesting that the same

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Speaker 2: people who are the most vociferously pro Israel and banging

671
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Speaker 2: the drums the most for war with iron and all

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Speaker 2: of these sorts of things also tend to be the

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Speaker 2: ones in the hardcore there's nothing to see with regard

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Speaker 2: to Epstein Camp also notable. Let's go ahead and take

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Speaker 2: a listen to this next part, because this is potentially newsworthy.

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Speaker 2: Meghan claims she actually has sources in the administration who say, no,

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Speaker 2: this is this is a lie, this isn't what happened whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a listen.

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Speaker 13: I have the names of the people who are making

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Speaker 13: the claim that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and that the

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Speaker 13: most gross you know, and sort of extreme of the

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Speaker 13: conspiracy theories or theories just don't even call them conpiracy theories.

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Speaker 13: The most sort of you know, extreme version of the

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Speaker 13: theory is not true. I have names of the people

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Speaker 13: who are claim that. Okay, they are all in the administration,

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Speaker 13: And this is my point. If other people want to

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Speaker 13: make those claims that are counter to that, then they

688
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Speaker 13: should provide evidence or at least put their names on

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Speaker 13: it so we can question them about that as well,

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Speaker 13: because otherwise we're just in the realm of pure speculation,

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Speaker 13: and frankly, I just don't find that useful.

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Speaker 1: I would love more useful information.

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Speaker 13: This is why I'm angry at Pam BONDI I think

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Speaker 13: there should be all the useful information possible. But the

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Speaker 13: same thing holds true for people who are making claims

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Speaker 13: on the other side. Otherwise, I can claim that he

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Speaker 13: was working for a cadre of space aliens who are

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Speaker 13: blackmailing high profile Americans in order to protect from a

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Speaker 13: future invasion, and there's just about as much evidence for

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Speaker 13: that as many of the claims that are being made

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Speaker 13: on the other side.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's talk about that is made requires evidence.

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Speaker 13: Any claim it's being made requires actual evidence, and at

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Speaker 13: the very least, in the absence of evidence, the incredible

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Speaker 13: names of the people that I can either trust or

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Speaker 13: not trust, ranging from again the President of the United

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Speaker 13: States and vice presidents to the head of the FBI,

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Speaker 13: the AG and the deputy head of the FBI.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's very hard to say those people

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Speaker 12: need to come out and put their names on these

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Speaker 12: claims when they're working for an administration this one and

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Speaker 12: the one before that want that to come out. You're

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Speaker 12: asking something the world countermand the.

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Speaker 1: People they work for. How am I supposed to falsify

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Speaker 1: their claims? Now we're working in the realm of the younger.

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Speaker 12: But you're look, Ben, you can't come to me and say,

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Speaker 12: everybody I know says he killed himself and then I

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Speaker 12: respond saying, I actually have my own sources who say

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Speaker 12: he didn't.

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Speaker 5: And then you say, well.

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Speaker 12: Your sources are not not valid because they won't put

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Speaker 12: their names on it. Okay, go down the lists, and

723
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Speaker 12: then we'll talk about why they might be saying that.

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Speaker 13: My sources are the President of the United States, the

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Speaker 13: Vice President of the United States, Cash matell, the head

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Speaker 13: of the FBI, Dan Bongingo, the deputy head of the

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Speaker 13: FBI and Pambondi, the attorney General. And those aren't just

728
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Speaker 13: my sources, they're everybody's sources because they publicly came out

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Speaker 13: and side this.

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Speaker 12: Okay, Trump hasn't specifically weighed in on that specific aspect

731
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Speaker 12: of it. We've all seen the limited things that Trump

732
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Speaker 12: has said and tweeted on this, and Jade Vance was

733
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Speaker 12: calling for transparency and suggesting otherwise prior to taking office.

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Speaker 12: He hasn't commented on this so far.

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Speaker 1: So he's not somebody.

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Speaker 12: You've got cash, You've got Dan, and you've got Pam,

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Speaker 12: and we've already discussed that memo in full detail. I'm

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Speaker 12: talking about people behind the scenes who prior to this,

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Speaker 12: to Trump taking office. I'm not going to get too specific,

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Speaker 12: but trust me, I have high level sources who have

741
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Speaker 12: said they don't believe any of that any of that,

742
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Speaker 12: so and I'm not going to out them for purposes

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Speaker 12: of convincing you.

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me name them. I know I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to.

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Speaker 5: I don't have authorization.

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Speaker 12: And then you say, well, I dismiss all of that

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Speaker 12: because you.

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Speaker 1: Won't name them.

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Speaker 13: Hold on, Megan, I'm not saying you should name them.

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Speaker 13: I'm saying they should name themselves because otherwise they are

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Speaker 13: being complicit in one of the greatest cover ups in

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Speaker 13: the history.

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Speaker 5: It's easy for you to say that, it's very easy.

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Speaker 12: Why because you'll have your job and you'll have your millions.

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Speaker 1: Would no matter what they mean, give me a break.

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Speaker 2: So Emily he's saying, there, oh, well, if if people

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Speaker 2: think differently, then they should come forward, as if that's

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Speaker 2: a casual and easy thing to do, and you know,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have any potential personal consequences for them onsoever.

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Speaker 4: And we all agree with that. By the way, yes,

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Speaker 4: of course, come forward.

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Speaker 6: But again it's not the rationalist perspective to say because

764
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Speaker 6: people won't put their name on it, it doesn't it

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Speaker 6: sort of undermines their credit.

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Speaker 4: It's like, if you.

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Speaker 6: Go deep into this story, I mean, people have died,

768
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Speaker 6: by the way, people who may have had things to say,

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Speaker 6: have died under suspicious circumstances. Beyond just Jeffrey Epstein, there

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Speaker 6: are a lot of and I don't know that those

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Speaker 6: add up to a conspiracy theory, but they're worth thinking about.

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Speaker 6: And it's obviously true that when the stakes of something

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Speaker 6: are so high, when you have the former Labor Secretary

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Speaker 6: saying and then not denying. They also talked about this

775
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Speaker 6: not denying really that he said Epstein belonged to intelligence.

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Speaker 6: He was told that Epstein belonged to intelligence and to

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Speaker 6: give that plea deal that Epstein got back in two

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Speaker 6: thousand and seven. We have that over and over again

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Speaker 6: over the series of years. Then, I mean, there's nothing

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Speaker 6: again rational about saying okay, because these people won't come forward,

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00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 6: then we have to just go on the evidence that

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Speaker 6: people in the government are telling us to trust that.

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Speaker 6: I find out the thing strange and to me it

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Speaker 6: does seem like someone trying to get from point A

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Speaker 6: to point B.

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Speaker 4: They want to justify the end.

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Speaker 6: And maybe for Ben it's partially because he's deeply frustrated

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Speaker 6: with the like weird little alt right mouth breathers who

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Speaker 6: are using this for purposes of like rank antisemitism.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, and that's an explanation.

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Speaker 6: So why someone would stretch from point A to point

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Speaker 6: B by just deferring to the president who himself.

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Speaker 4: Is implicated at all of this.

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Speaker 6: I mean Pam Bondi, who was State A G of

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Speaker 6: Florida when charges further investigations and chargers could have potentially happened.

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Speaker 4: As Juli K.

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Speaker 6: Brown has pointed out, it's not a it is not

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Speaker 6: in any way a persuasive defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and just your point about the many questions. And

801
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Speaker 2: some other people who also died under questionable circumstances. Jean

802
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Speaker 2: Luke Brunel was a pedophile and criminal and was a

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Speaker 2: close associate of Jeffrey Epstein, who allegedly sent Epstein multi

804
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Speaker 2: underage girls I think twelve year old girls for his

805
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Speaker 2: birthday to sexually abuse. Allegedly, he also killed himself in prison.

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Speaker 2: And oh, interesting, the cameras were off there too, huh,

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Speaker 2: and it was not also recorded, So you know, you've

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Speaker 2: got that, You've got all of the questionable circumstances surrounding

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Speaker 2: Epstein's death. Oh, those cameras happened, me up. Oh the

810
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Speaker 2: prison guards happened to be asleep.

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Speaker 7: Oh you know.

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Speaker 2: The official autopsy says, oh, it was it was a

813
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Speaker 2: hanging in it was a suicide. But when his brother

814
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Speaker 2: had this further investigated, they said, I've never seen a

815
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Speaker 2: suicide that would be consistent with the particular fractions of

816
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Speaker 2: these bones in the neck. So yeah, to just pretend

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Speaker 2: like none of that is real, Like it's all just

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 5: It's grotesque.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the last thing I'll say here, Soger

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Speaker 2: tweeted this out yesterday, and I think this also bears mentioning.

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Speaker 2: Here are the list, he says, of Israeli prime ministers

823
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Speaker 2: linked to Epstein. Number one, Shimon for As introduced Ahood

824
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Speaker 2: Barrock to Epstein number two. Ahod Olmert named as an

825
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Speaker 2: Epstein associate by USBI number three. Ah Hood Brock connections

826
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Speaker 2: too vast. To paraphrase, he's the one who really had

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Speaker 2: the deepest Epstein connections from Israel and net Yahoo met

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Speaker 2: with JP Morgan after apparent Epstein intro. So there's just

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Speaker 2: you know, we're just supposed to dismiss all of that.

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Speaker 2: That's just a conspiracy that there could be any there

831
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Speaker 2: there that's worthy of further investigation. And the most suspicious

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Speaker 2: thing from pan BONDI I thought is when she got

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Speaker 2: asked about the potential Intel connections, she played dumb like, oh,

834
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Speaker 2: I haven't really looked into that.

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Speaker 5: As if as if she had no idea.

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Speaker 2: That anyone had speculated that, or there were any potential

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Speaker 2: ties there or whatever. I didn't really think about that,

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Speaker 2: didn't really look into that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, girl, didn't.

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Speaker 7: She say it?

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Speaker 4: She was like, I'll have to get back to you.

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Speaker 2: I have to get back to you. Why don't you

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Speaker 2: please get back to us, pan Bondy get back.

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Speaker 4: We're still waiting on that.

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Speaker 2: Incredible All right, let's go ahead and move on to

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Speaker 2: Congressman Rocanna, who introduced this amendment to try to force transparency.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately was voted down yesterday, but want to get all

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Speaker 2: the details on that. So we are fortunate to be

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Speaker 2: joined this morning by Congressman Rocanna, who, as I just mentioned,

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Speaker 2: we can put B two up on the screen here, guys,

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Speaker 2: had introduced an amendment to the Genius Act that would

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Speaker 2: require both the preservation of all Epstein records, would also

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Speaker 2: require the Attorney General to release all Epstein records within

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Speaker 2: thirty days.

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Speaker 5: And Congressman I know we.

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Speaker 2: Have a not positive update on the status of that amendment.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, thank you for joining us in.

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Speaker 2: Second of all, if you could just bring us up

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Speaker 2: to speed here.

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Speaker 14: Sure, I introduced a pretty simple amendment. It would demand

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Speaker 14: the full release of the Epstein calls. The Rules Committee

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Speaker 14: voted on it last night. Unfortunately, the amendment was defeated

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Speaker 14: all four Democrats voted for it. Ralph Norman and Republican

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Speaker 14: to his credit, voted for it, but seven Republicans voted

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Speaker 14: against it. And they're basically choosing to protect rich and

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Speaker 14: powerful men over the assaulted, abused, and abandoned young women.

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Speaker 7: And it's really appalling.

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Speaker 6: Did they try to negotiate anything with you and maybe

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Speaker 6: say all right that thirty days, let's make it sixty days,

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Speaker 6: or were they just basically, other than Ralph Norman flat

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Speaker 6: nose on it. On the amendment, there were flat nose.

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Speaker 14: I mean they made the argument that, oh, it's not

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Speaker 14: Germane to the Genius Act. But if you look at

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Speaker 14: the Genius Act, actually it has such broad findings about

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Speaker 14: the Internet that it is Germane because a lot of

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Speaker 14: these crimes took place over the Internet. So they could

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Speaker 14: have that's just an excuse. They could have easily voted

878
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Speaker 14: part or they could have offered their own amendment, or

879
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 14: they could have said, roh, we'll bring yours for some

880
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 14: similar amendment for a vote on the House floor. But look,

881
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 14: the reality is, and everyone knows this in this town,

882
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 14: that these are people donors to politicians.

883
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 7: These are people who play.

884
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 14: Golf with the elite in Washington, and these are foreign

885
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 14: leaders that we do not want to embarrass. These are

886
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 14: people connected to our or other intelligence agencies that we

887
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 14: do not want to take on. So there is a

888
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 14: protection here going on and rich and powerful men.

889
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: Congressman, one of the things that has been theorized based

890
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: on a number of connections here is a potential link

891
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: between Jeffrey Epstein and Masad. Is that something that you

892
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: think is a possibility. What is your view there?

893
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 14: Well, look, no one knows, because that's exactly why we

894
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 14: need the files released. I mean, the reality is if frankly,

895
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 14: if you're the Massagna, would be calling to the release

896
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 14: of these files unless you have something to hide, why

897
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 14: not if you really believe that there is a conspiracy

898
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 14: therein this is not true, then release the files, release

899
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 14: the interview memos, release the evidence.

900
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 7: Now I understand people say, well, the policy.

901
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 14: Is that you shouldn't release things unless you charge someone,

902
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 14: And there's a lot of validity to having that policy.

903
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 14: You don't want government just destroying people's lives if they're

904
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 14: innocent by having a media campaign. But in this case,

905
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 14: given that the President of the United States campaigned on

906
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 14: the release, given that the Attorney General said that there

907
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 14: is a client list. Given all of the allegations of

908
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 14: agencies involved and foreign governments involved, the president should say

909
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 14: as a national security matter, as a manner of public interest,

910
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 14: I'm making an exception and releasing all the files.

911
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 7: For sunlight on this.

912
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 6: If Democrats retake the House of Representatives in the midterms,

913
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 6: are there avenues that you can or plan to pursue

914
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 6: in order to get further transparency from the federal government

915
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Speaker 6: on this?

916
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 14: Absolutly, I'm going to pursue it now. I'm not going

917
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 14: to rest I'm going to pursue it in our oversight

918
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 14: committee to see if we can get the the files

919
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 14: through the oversight Committee. I think we need to have

920
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 14: votes in committees, if not on the House floor, and

921
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Speaker 14: you see with Ralph Norman there will be some Republicans

922
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 14: willing to join us. And certainly if we take back

923
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 14: the House, we should be subpoenaing these files, subpoenaing Pam Bondi,

924
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 14: subpoenaing anyone involved. But the Democrats now should be pushing

925
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 14: for the release of these files. And people say, well,

926
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 14: why didn't you push earlier during Trump one or Biden?

927
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 14: The reality is You didn't have an attorney general look

928
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Speaker 14: at the evidence to say there is a client list.

929
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Speaker 14: You didn't have a president of the United States say

930
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 14: we're going to release it, and so there is now

931
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Speaker 14: a public outcrime. Regardless of how you felt about it

932
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Speaker 14: in the past while the process was going on. Now

933
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 14: we should have a clear consensus that this should be released,

934
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Speaker 14: whether under Trump or a Democrat, it just should come out.

935
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Speaker 2: There are obvious connections between Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein,

936
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Speaker 2: who was on the plane I think twenty six seven

937
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: time something like that. There was a worker on the

938
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Speaker 2: island who said that he saw former President Clinton on

939
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Speaker 2: that island. President Clinton has denied any wrongdoing there. There

940
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Speaker 2: are also obvious connections between Jeffrey Epstein and the current president,

941
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Speaker 2: including Epstein says that they were busties for over a decade.

942
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Speaker 2: Trump himself, you know, has this infamous quote about how

943
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Speaker 2: close they are and how much Jeffrey Epstein loves beautiful

944
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Speaker 2: women and particularly those on the younger side. He himself

945
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: was on the plane some seven times, et cetera. Are

946
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: Democrats Are your Democratic colleagues on board with full transparency here?

947
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's sort of unanimity in the caucus,

948
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Speaker 2: or do you have some people who are a little

949
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: more uncomfortable about what potentially could be revealed, or just

950
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: feel like, you know what, this isn't the fight to pick,

951
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: This isn't the thing to focus on right now.

952
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 14: I think initially they were saying this isn't the fight

953
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 14: to take and they thought, oh, this is you know,

954
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 14: engaging in conspiracy theories.

955
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 7: But the reality is it's conspiratorial.

956
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 14: There are rich and powerful men who, like I said, abused, assaulted,

957
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 14: and abandoned young girls, and the public has a right

958
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 14: to make to know that there's no impunity for them.

959
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 14: And now I think there is a greater consensus that

960
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 14: the Democrats need to be on the side of a

961
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 14: full release. The Rules Committee wouldn't have taken up my

962
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Speaker 14: amendment if leadership and Jim McGovern didn't show leadership. So

963
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 14: at this point, the Democrats are in full release. But

964
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Speaker 14: what I think is important is we don't just make

965
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 14: this a one or two day effort that we are

966
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 14: capable of relentlessly driving for the release of these files.

967
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and move on to the New York

968
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: City mayor's race, which has proved to be extraordinary. Zorn

969
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: Mumdani coming from out of nowhere to defeat Cuomo in

970
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: the Democratic primary quite overwhelming. I think it was ultimately

971
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: like a twelve point margin, wasn't even really close. He

972
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: was able to clear after the first round that Zoron

973
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: would be successful. He did something that you know, leftists

974
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Speaker 2: have always sort of hoped they would be able to

975
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: pull off, which he's truly changed the electorate. You know,

976
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: the Surgeon youth voting was really extraordinary. But Andrew Cuomo,

977
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: even though he was defeated in the Democratic primary, has

978
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: now officially announced that he is going to continue into

979
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: the general election. He posted a rather interesting launch video yesterday.

980
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

981
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 15: Hello, I'm Andrew Cuomo, and unless you've been living under

982
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 15: a rock, you probably know that the Democratic primary did

983
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 15: not go the way I had hoped. The fight to

984
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 15: save our city isn't over. Only thirteen percent of New

985
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 15: Yorkers voted in the June primary. The general election is

986
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 15: in November, and I am in it to win it.

987
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 15: My opponent, mister Mandani, offers slick slogans but no real

988
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 15: solutions for.

989
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 7: The next few months.

990
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 15: It's my responsibility to earn your vote.

991
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: So Connerson, I'll give you a moment to catch your

992
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: brass after the force of that charismatic presentation. But my

993
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: question for you was, hey, what happened to vote blue?

994
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: No matter who this guy won the Democratic primary? Why

995
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: is it so hard not only for Andrew Cuomo we

996
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: all know is a complete egomaniac to get on board,

997
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: but so many Democrats are, you know, twiddling their thumbs

998
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: and refusing to endorse Zoran even after the Democratic voter said, hey,

999
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 2: this is our guy.

1000
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 14: Well, thats why the Democratic establishment is so out of

1001
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 14: touch with the grassroots of our party. Zoran won because

1002
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 14: he ran a brilliant campaign. He talked about the high rents,

1003
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 14: he talked about high grocery prices, he talked about the

1004
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 14: high costs and transportation, all the things that we didn't

1005
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 14: emphasize nearly enough in twenty twenty four. He talked about

1006
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 14: the moral stakes of the bombing in Gaza and the

1007
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 14: killing of women and children there and how he was

1008
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 14: opposed to that, and he didn't back away from that,

1009
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 14: and he inspired a lot of people because of his campaign,

1010
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 14: and so the obvious reaction should have been okay, he won,

1011
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 14: Let's get behind him, let's endorse them. Yet we still

1012
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 14: have Democratic leaders who have not endorsed him. He's obviously

1013
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 14: going to win for mayor. I mean, the billionaires trying

1014
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 14: to stop him are not going to succeed. And it's

1015
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 14: just embarrassing that you have this old guard clinging on,

1016
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 14: trying to cling on to power. You know, Napoleon once

1017
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 14: said it's worse than a clime. It's a blunder. And

1018
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 14: that's how I feel about the old guard. It's not

1019
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 14: their amorlity, it's their stupidity about politics that is sort

1020
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 14: of staggering.

1021
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: And what's it been like in the House Democratic Caucus

1022
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 6: over the last few weeks as people have digested mom

1023
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 6: Donnie's surprise win. I mean, there's something interesting just about

1024
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 6: Andrew Cuomo getting in the race, meaning he thinks he

1025
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 6: will have endorsements and donors and all of that. So, Congressman,

1026
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: what's your sense of where your fellow Democrats as you

1027
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 6: speak with them, are people trying to learn from Zoron anymore?

1028
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: They have?

1029
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 6: They just landed on dismissing it and getting behind Cuomo.

1030
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: What's going on?

1031
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 14: Yes, the you know, some are learning, it's the progressive

1032
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 14: caucus that are that are learning uh and the the

1033
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 14: the We're actually meeting him tomorrow morning at the DNC

1034
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 14: Breakfast Club. But you know, it's the same divide in

1035
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 14: this party. Those of us who want to move the

1036
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 14: party in a different direction. We're against these overseas wars,

1037
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 14: including the war in Iran where I led the War

1038
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 14: Paris Solution with Thomas Massey, against funding that who's bombing

1039
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 14: in Gaza, who are for taxing wealth, who are for

1040
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 14: having rent caps and stopping Wall Street from buying single

1041
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 14: family homes.

1042
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 7: Here is that progressive movement.

1043
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 14: And of course they'd say, look, let's learn from what

1044
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 14: Mamdani did in terms of social media, in terms of issues.

1045
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 14: And then there's the camp that says, no, no, no,

1046
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 14: this is too far. We don't this is what's wrong

1047
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 14: with the Democratic Party. And that's you know, the Democrats

1048
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 14: just have to be open to having this fight within

1049
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 14: our party. I mean, yes, we have to come together

1050
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 14: on things like.

1051
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 7: The Epstein file. But there's a divine in the party

1052
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 7: and the question is are we going to.

1053
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 14: Go in a progressive direction or are we going to

1054
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 14: go with more of the same.

1055
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that should be fought out and Congressman.

1056
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: You know, in my opinion and in the opinion of

1057
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: New Yorkers, in courting the pulling and opinion of Americans,

1058
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: the things he has proposed, his specific policy proposals are

1059
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: not radical at all. I mean, five grocery stores, what now,

1060
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: this is the Soviet Union?

1061
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 11: You know?

1062
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 5: Affordable childcare, oh.

1063
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: My god, crazy, like the rest of the developed world

1064
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: being able to afford housing, like a rent freeze for

1065
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 2: already rent stabilized apartments.

1066
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 5: I mean, none of this is really crazy.

1067
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: And so it seems to me that the two things

1068
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: that moderates really object to it is number one, just

1069
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: the label socialist, which you know. To me, I'm like, okay,

1070
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: well you don't like the label, but let's deal with

1071
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: what his What specific policies do you actually think are

1072
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: so extreme that you can't even exist in the same

1073
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: party with him? As Dean Phillips said, But to me,

1074
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: the real divide is over Israel.

1075
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 5: And you had Hakeem Jeffries.

1076
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Speaker 2: Let's put this up on the screen. This would be five.

1077
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: He's talking to punch bowl. He still has not backed zoron,

1078
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: which I think is extraordinary from a democratic leader. And

1079
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 2: obviously he represents New York and he said this thing

1080
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: that really infuriated me because.

1081
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 5: It's just dishonest.

1082
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: So Punchbul says, Mam Donnie's past use of the phrase

1083
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: globalized into fado will be quote part of our discussion,

1084
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: according to Jeffries. And the reason this is dishonest is

1085
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: because mom Donnie never has used that. There's no evidence

1086
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: he even ever.

1087
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 5: Used that phrase, but he was asked about.

1088
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: It and gave his you know, understanding of what it

1089
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: means and why, you know, why it lands different in

1090
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: different contexts, et cetera. And yet there's been so many

1091
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Speaker 2: sort of smears and lies of him, I mean directly

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Speaker 2: as well amophobic attacks, like from Senator Kirsten Jillibrand that

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Speaker 2: a sort of mythology has grown up that he is

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Speaker 2: out there using this particular phrase, and you know, is

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Speaker 2: apparently part of what's keeping Hakim Jeffries from getting behind

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Speaker 2: him and outright endorsing the Democratic nominee chosen by the voters.

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Speaker 14: Well, every Democratic leader should endorse Mamdani. Mamdani has clearly

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Speaker 14: said that he does not believe that globalize the entifada

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Speaker 14: should be used as a phrase, and that he is

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Speaker 14: going to make the safety of Jewish Americans a very,

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Speaker 14: very high priority, just like he's going to make the

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Speaker 14: safety of Muslim Americans and Indo Americans and Christian Americans

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Speaker 14: a high priority. Brad Lander, a Jewish American, endorsed him.

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Speaker 14: I am no doubt that Zorn is going to work

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Speaker 14: with the Jewish American community to hear concerns about anti Semitism,

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Speaker 14: and he understands anti Semitism violence has increased, So I

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Speaker 14: think we need to have the facts now, you know,

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Speaker 14: there may be a difference. I don't believe that people

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Speaker 14: should be using the word globalized in Tapada, and I'm

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Speaker 14: condemned it. And if people in the party want to

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Speaker 14: say that they can and still support Mamdani, I don't

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Speaker 14: understand why there is this.

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Speaker 7: Hesitancy to support him.

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Speaker 14: When he's going to be the mayor, when he's connecting

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Speaker 14: with a lot of people, and by the way, he's

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Speaker 14: had the votes of a lot of Jewish Americans.

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Speaker 2: How much do you think that Israel is going to

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Speaker 2: be a central dividing line in the party because you

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Speaker 2: have an extraordinary distance between the base of the party

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Speaker 2: and how they feel about Israel and our policy vis

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Speaker 2: of the Israel at this point, and Democratic leadership is

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Speaker 2: evidenced by Chuck Schumer, Hakim Jeffries, etc. And it seems

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Speaker 2: to me like this sort of schism just cannot persist.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it goes to the sense of do

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Speaker 14: we believe in human rights? Do we believe in the

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Speaker 14: politics that is free of any special special interests? And

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Speaker 14: I think there are a few key places which are

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Speaker 14: huge divides. You support US government funding going to net

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Speaker 14: Nyahu in the offensive war in Gaza. Of course, I

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Speaker 14: was one of forty or fifty members of Congress who

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Speaker 14: vot didn't know on that.

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Speaker 7: There are a lot of people today who if asked in.

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Speaker 14: The Democratic Party would still defend their vote or say

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Speaker 14: they would have supported that funding.

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Speaker 7: That is a huge moral line, much like the Iraq War.

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Speaker 14: Do you believe that the United States should recognize Palestinian

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Speaker 14: self determination in the Palestinian State? There are many Democrats

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Speaker 14: who will not believe support that, even you know, I

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Speaker 14: don't believe Hamas should be part of the Palestinian state,

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Speaker 14: but I think we should recognize a non Amas Palestinian state.

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Speaker 14: And so those are two the lines that do you

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Speaker 14: believe in unroped and the funding of Unrock there. So

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Speaker 14: I think it is a moral issue similar to the

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Speaker 14: Iraq War, and there are a couple fault lines which

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Speaker 14: make it clear which side someone is on.

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Speaker 2: Thomerson, finally, I have to ask you about this appearance

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Speaker 2: you did with Congressman Ran Fine, newly elected Republican. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's take a look at the ending of your appearance,

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Speaker 2: and I think part of why people objected to it

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Speaker 2: so much that we can get into some of his statements.

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Speaker 2: I'll get your respond Let's go ahead and take a look.

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Speaker 16: Well, first of all, let me just say I am

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Speaker 16: one of those people who's extraordinarily proud of being American.

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Speaker 16: One of the reasons I'm proud is you can have

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Speaker 16: a democrat of Hindu faith standing side by side with

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Speaker 16: a Republican of Jewish faith having a civil conversation on

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Speaker 16: your show, and we need more of that in this

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Speaker 16: country to bring this country together.

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Speaker 2: So a noble sentiment. But of course you're talking about

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Speaker 2: Randy Fine, and we can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: Shortly thereafter, he said.

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Speaker 2: To ilhan Omar, I'm sure it's difficult to see us

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Speaker 2: welcome the killer of so many of your fellow Muslim terrorists,

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Speaker 2: So calling a member of Congress that you know you

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Speaker 2: serve with and he serves with a Muslim terrorist. But

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Speaker 2: to your point about the bad timing, it's not like

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Speaker 2: this was the first thing that he had said. In

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Speaker 2: a May twenty twenty five interview. He said, it starts

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Speaker 2: with recognizing we have a quote Muslim problem. It starts

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Speaker 2: with recognizing that violent Islam is not the exception. He

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Speaker 2: had already called Rashida to leave and zoron Pumdani Muslim terrorists.

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Speaker 2: He had called for the nuking of Gaza, He celebrated

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Speaker 2: the murder of a Turkish American activist in.

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Speaker 5: The West Bank.

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Speaker 2: I could go on, but I guess did you know

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Speaker 2: about these things?

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Speaker 5: What were your thoughts going into this interview?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 7: Chris Womo will call me on. As you know, I

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Speaker 7: go on old media. It's one of the dangers of

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Speaker 7: doing it.

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Speaker 14: He said, can you debate a Republican member of Congress

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Speaker 14: on the Medicaid cuts? I said, I'm happy to. I

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Speaker 14: got there. Randy Fine was there. He's been in Congress

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Speaker 14: for a whole of four months. I had no idea

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Speaker 14: candidly who he was. And so Chris Cuomo does this

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Speaker 14: whole spiel about how people aren't proud of being Americans

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Speaker 14: and Democrats in particular in polling aren't proud of being Americans,

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Speaker 14: And I say, well, look, I'm really proud of being American.

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Speaker 14: And the fact that you have a hymn the American

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Speaker 14: Jewish American Democrat Republican on the show debating is proved

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Speaker 14: bet And then we have a total conversation where I

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Speaker 14: thought I got the best of him on the Medicaid

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Speaker 14: cut and no one pays attention to that, and of

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Speaker 14: course they have the club, but his statements are bigoted.

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Speaker 14: I've said that, and then afterwards I people my phone

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Speaker 14: blew up and people started sending me all the things

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Speaker 14: he said. Yeah, and of course I condemned them, but

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Speaker 14: you know, they're four hundred and thirty five members of Congress.

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Speaker 7: This guy's been around for four months.

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Speaker 14: And when you go on a lot of these shows

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Speaker 14: and you big people, I don't vet their entire record.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got you, do you think you know?

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Speaker 2: One of the things that really bothers me is that

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Speaker 2: Rashida's leave was censured by the Congress for saying from

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Speaker 2: the River to the Sea. There's a whole flop over

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Speaker 2: something you know, she had said about investigations into Palestinian

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Speaker 2: activists in Michigan, where she was smeared as an anti Semite,

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Speaker 2: even though there's zero evidence that she is an anti Semite.

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Speaker 2: And then here's this guy who has said the most

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Speaker 2: disgusting things you can imagine, I mean literally calling for

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Speaker 2: nuking Gaza and starving villions and saying there are no

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Speaker 2: innocent palace in civilians, smearing multiple of his colleagues at

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Speaker 2: this point as quote unquote Muslim terrorists, and it's just

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Speaker 2: like barely a blip. I mean, I'm not necessarily blaming

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Speaker 2: you for not knowing that he had said all of

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Speaker 2: these things, because it gets no coverage in the news media,

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Speaker 2: Like there's very little outrage when he says these disgraceful, bigoted,

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Speaker 2: genocidal things. And yet anytime there's even a question, like

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Speaker 2: Zoran saying, responding to a question about globalized Nantifada, this

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Speaker 2: is like a major news cycle. So I would appreciate

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Speaker 2: you speaking to that kind of disparity too. And the

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Speaker 2: reaction between these various sentiments.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it's changing. I think it's changing because

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Speaker 14: of independent media. I think it's changing because of social media.

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Speaker 14: Trust mean, MiPhone blew up after that interview, so people

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Speaker 14: are paying attention.

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Speaker 7: But you're right, there's an asymmetry.

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Speaker 14: And if you're a woman of color as Rashida talib

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Speaker 14: Is or Elen omar Is and you're speaking out Palestinian rights,

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Speaker 14: and especially if you're a Muslim faith, there's no doubt

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Speaker 14: that you face a far greater scrutiny, a.

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Speaker 7: Far greater uh condemnation.

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Speaker 14: Uh then uh then if you're speaking out in support

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Speaker 14: of of of.

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Speaker 7: Of Israel or net and Yahoo. Now I am not

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Speaker 7: I was not for the censoring of Rashida to Leave.

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Speaker 14: Obviously, I don't think that we should be playing this

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Speaker 14: game of censoring comments of members of Congress on either side,

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Speaker 14: because we should condemn them.

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Speaker 7: They should be awfully condemned.

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Speaker 14: But you know, I'm a pretty big on free speech,

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Speaker 14: and I fear that the line can get blurry and

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Speaker 14: and and and if.

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Speaker 5: You start rorist Muslim, and I.

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Speaker 14: Obviously think it's worse than what Rashida to Leave did.

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Speaker 14: And so I guess if you're going to censor Rashida,

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Speaker 14: we can, we should censor him. But my point is,

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Speaker 14: you know, at some point We've got to recognize that.

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Speaker 7: That that Democrats been fit.

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Speaker 14: From free speech, because really the speech that often gets

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Speaker 14: censored is a speech of people speaking up for Palestinian

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Speaker 14: human rights or questioning the establishment. And the tragedy is

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Speaker 14: and the appalling part was the centering of Rashida Tale.

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Speaker 14: But certainly there should be more outrage at what Fine

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Speaker 14: has done and declared, demand for him to retract and apologize,

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Speaker 14: and it should get more attention.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, from Speaker Johnson.

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Speaker 6: That's another from other Republicans and from Speaker Johnson too,

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Speaker 6: who have to my knowledge not said much at all

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Speaker 6: about Randy fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, all right, Harnson, We know you have

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Speaker 2: a heart out always appreciate your time and your willingness

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Speaker 2: to engage with us.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a pleasure