WEBVTT - 106: Death Becomes Her with The Bechdel Cast 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.480 It's twelve thirty two am in the Ebel of Los 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:15.720 Angeles and you're listening to Nightcall. Hello, and welcome back 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.840 to Night Call, a call in show for our dystopian reality. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.520 I am Test Lynch in Los Angeles and with me 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:26.360 are Emily Osida and Molly Lambert. Guys, welcome back. It 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.560 is still Plastic Surgery April. So today we will be 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.839 talking about the cosmetic surgery black comedy Death Becomes Her 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.199 with special guest Jamie Loftus and Caitlin Durante from the 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.559 Bechdel Cast, as well as taking some questions from listeners. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.120 Can't wait, it's a great conversation. Spoiler, we already had it. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:50.600 Everything's topsy turvy. How can everybody's classic Surgery April going 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.320 pretty good? I know it's not Spring break March anymore, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.560 but did anyone read the story about how Gwyneth Paltrow 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.520 got fired from her first job a bit a toy 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.520 store because she went on spring break? Oh my god, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.720 do tell It's just amazing because there's a bunch of 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.840 magazines coming out that were finished before COVID happened, so 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.120 they all have a disclaimer. That's like this story was 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:20.120 conducted before the pandemic. But they just like for press 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.160 tours that aren't happening anymore, like Gal Gado Lady Gaga. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.520 So there's a Gwyneth Paltrow one that's the header is 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:36.120 Gwyneth Paltrow accepts your apology. Oh my god. Anyway, it's 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.120 super on brand, including that she was like, well, I 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.000 have to go on spring break. I mean talking about 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:47.760 like a rich person he has a job, like and 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.320 she talked about how she could get into the expensive 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.960 bars because she was tall, but not the like college 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.800 bars because she was too she was too upscale. They 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:02.720 just didn't think she could hang. Oh god, I think 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.720 maybe because the fancy places don't care if teenagers come in. Yeah, 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.680 so we're going to take a bunch of calls. We 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.399 actually have gotten a lot of night calls and emails 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:18.560 from from y'all so far, so let's keep them coming. Yeah, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.480 keep them coming. We love them. So perhaps you should 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.280 take this first call from a listener about See Me 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.440 and Hayes. Hi. This is Emily Um. I listened to 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:34.200 your podcast about classic surgery and immediately I'm fastened by 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.080 it too, and immediately see Me in Hayes came to mind, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.240 there are those twin DJ girls that hang out with 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:47.080 all the Kardashian girls and the Calabasa's crew, and um, 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:52.200 they basically changed their entire appearance. They're super wealthy, and 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.120 I think their parents paid for them to get a 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.320 new face when they were like sixteen. It's pretty gnarly 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.280 if you if you be cool there before see Me 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.639 and Hayes before old floored. Okay, so I had never 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.280 heard of See Me and Hayes before they said, you guys. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:12.760 I had because I follow all those seleb plastic surgery blogs, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.959 which also cover influencers micro celebs, so I only knew 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.639 about them from that. But why don't we explain who 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.799 they are? Why don't you explain who they are? You're 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.000 you're the see me any expert over it? They're twins 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.440 and they got matching plastic surgery and apparently, and they 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:36.880 used to be like sort of cute. Nicole Kidman asked, uh, beauties, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.720 and now they look like everybody else but also Dakota Johnson, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.280 I think. But they had like big, frizzy red hair 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.320 like yours, truly, and now they have like sleek brown hair. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.839 But they also just have sort of different faces. Were 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.760 a lot of highlighter they. I guess the reason there's 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.240 so many before photos of them is they're rich and 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.080 their mom took them to art auctions or something, and 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.200 that's they're also before photos are from they're also DJs. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.080 I should point this out. I don't think that that's 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.960 that's not why they're rich, but they are DJs. UM, 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.200 So there are lots of pictures of them kind of 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.760 like just sitting or like standing or posing by their 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.520 DJ booths at like scenes, story parties. Um, since they've 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.919 had a bunch of plastic surgery, I preferred them before 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.239 f y I. They are twin fluencers. Twin fluencers. They great, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.839 they have a great they had a great look earlier, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:39.880 I thought, Um, so other twin fluencers that I think 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.000 of when this idea comes up, or obviously the Olsen twins, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.240 but also the Claremont twins who were on Bad Girls 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.000 Club and then Test and I once saw them doing 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.919 a photo shoot off Melrose. When I forgot about that 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.120 because I like fanned, I've freaked out, you freaked out. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.760 I had no idea. I was like, he's just obsessed 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.479 with like she sees twins. It's notable to her. It's like, no, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.640 they're they're special. They are famous on the internet. Um 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.240 and also yeah, famous for being these twins who sort 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.599 of got matching plastic surgery to each other. That's just 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.279 the weirdest thing. I guess you kind of have to. 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.480 He's very obvious. What's what you've done like this to 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.080 be in a pact with somebody. This is a common 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.320 thing and also weird because I am very addicted recently 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.440 to watching ninety Day Fiance Pillow Talk episodes, um, which 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.960 I love so much. But there there's a twin on 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.599 ninety Day Fiance, and she and her her sister have 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.760 like different, slightly different plastic surgery, Like they've both done 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.080 a lot, but it's different, and it's so transfixing because 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.960 you're like, she she opted not to do that, and 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.279 like she decided to do that, and you wonder like 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.120 did they get the plastic surgery? And then the next 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.360 you know, they'll your sister or whatever. We'll see her 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.200 sister and be like, oh, I'm not getting that done. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.839 It looks terrible on her. I'll do something else. It's 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.880 just such a like psychological horror movie playing out before 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.719 your eyes. A twin is so weird. I imagine just 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.400 for there to be another person who looks like you. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.479 This isn't plastic surgery. But I don't know. If you 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.560 guys have watched the Whitmer Thomas special on HBO, I 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.680 really recommend it. It's super good. Uh. It's like a 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.960 half stand up show, half documentary about his life involving 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.480 reconciling with his aunt he's estranged from, who is his 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.000 his dead mom's twin sister, and his dead mom and 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.839 his aunt had a band together, a hair metal band 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:44.760 in Florida called sin Twister, and there's footage of it 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.120 in the show. But it's also just this moment where 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.240 he's like, I have to go see my aunt, who 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.480 also like looks just like my mom. It's got to 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.240 be so weird. I would never have even thought of 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.520 something like that. It's a really good it's it's really good. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.200 It's not even just a stand up special. It's just 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.880 like a really good thing, and I recommend it. Check 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.240 it out because like weirdly, like being a twin, like 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.080 being an identical twin, feels like a much more uncanny 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:13.000 thing than you know, I mean, like celeb face, which 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.240 we mentioned on last week's episode often has these things. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.000 Or it's just like, look at these people who basically 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.360 look the same. Now, like everybody's gotten this matching face, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.320 and like, what is having even having a sibling. I'm 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.480 just gonna say, for all my only children co host, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.040 uh huh, it is weird to be like, oh, here's 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.160 a different blend of my parents faces. Yeah you know. Um. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.200 But also, people thought my brother and I were twins 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.720 a lot when we were kids because we both stingers. Yeah, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.720 you just have like the exact same coloring as each other. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.400 Like my kids too, they have the exact same color 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.080 hair and like the same complexion, and they I mean, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.160 you can tell that they're related. They don't look like twins. Um, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.960 But I always wonder what it would be like to 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.000 have like a sibling who looked a lot like me. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:06.760 I would hate it, hate it. There can only be one. Yeah, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.520 it's it's it's a nerving But I do think if 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.280 I was going to get work done, I would want 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.840 to get it done with my twin in this very hypothetical, 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.880 this double hYP hypothetical situation. What are your guys feelings 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.000 about the Olsen twins. I mean, I know that they 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.040 obviously have gotten stuff done, like work done, if you're 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.360 talking about the works side of it. But like, I 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.080 don't think that they've gone to the weird place with 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.200 it yet, Like they still basically look recognizable to me. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.240 I I respect their privacy. That's that's what I'll saying. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.200 They can do whatever they want. I kind of respect 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.760 that they've opted out of being like tabloid people. Well, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.720 I feel like it must also be so weird to 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.040 be so famous in a brand that your face is 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.439 literally on products, you know, as a child, right, Yeah, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.000 And I could see also just as a psychological device 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.920 wanting to distance yourself from the way you looked as 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.800 an eight year old, especially if you're a person who 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:02.440 just looks like you always look like you do. However, Ever, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:08.079 since somebody pointed out that they probably allegedly allegedly could 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.719 have had bookle fat removal, which is the thing I 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.520 just learned about, which is where they like suck fat 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.520 out of your cheeks to give you, give you a cheekbone, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.520 give you like a high fashion cheekbone. You don't think 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.520 that's just like a diet and smoking ten thousand cigarettes? 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.679 Smoking face, Yeah, it's smoking face more than anything else. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.319 I think the boocle fat removal is like very popular 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:39.080 among Asian people because like Asian people tend to have 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.840 a round your face and tend to have more They're 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.440 speaking for myself and so, but like speaking for the 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.400 whole round face crew, you're on the pot. Don't you 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.040 think that that's like a good thing to have a 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.760 round e face makes you look younger? Yes? Yeah, um yeah, 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.040 I think it's again like totally depends on what you're 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.360 going for. But I do think in their cases, they're 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.199 like there's such obvious chain smokers, and like, I mean 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.640 that's the one documented thing you can say for sure. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.559 And I think that that kind of sunk in cheekbone 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.360 look as like both being skinny and and the smoking thing, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.600 I think that really contributes. But I kind of love 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.679 them for not giving a ship about like what anyone 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.080 thinks of them anymore. I love that. I love that 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.679 they smoke millions of cigarettes and like clear glower at 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.200 anyone who's, like, you know, taking a picture of them. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.120 I think they totally earned that, right. Yeah. I mean 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.720 I both never had any affection for them as a 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.800 brand because I feel like we were slightly too old 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.640 to get like the Mary Kayton Ashley videos. You know, 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.720 I knew them from a full house as one person 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:52.040 Michelle Tanner. But I think any child actors who like 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.400 come out of the child acting conveyor belt and decide 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.960 to never do anything again, that's fine with me. Yeah. Well, also, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.160 like it's such a choice for them to you know, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.560 continue to have careers that are semi public facing, but 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.760 to really do it in an intentional way where it's 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.840 like also, you know, like the row is so expensive, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.760 like nobody like it's not like Juicy couture or something 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.720 where like influencers can afford it, our kids in the 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.280 suburbs can afford it. It's like so far removed from 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.080 just like what the average person comes in contact with 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.800 that it's sort of like opting out of being a 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.320 household name in a way and really like setting yourself like. 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.280 But it's also it made them a household name in Vogue, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.000 which was also a very weird move to me, but 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.959 I understand it. I guess they're just like, we're rich people, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.200 let's have a fashion line. Well, if you're a Vogue fixture, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.880 I think you probably get treated better than if you're 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.839 like a People fixture or last Weekly fixture. I mean, 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.320 it's all funked up and bad. But like I think, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.480 if if if I had to choose, if I was 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.280 in their position, I would rather be the kind of 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.000 first news like you know, just you know, coddled by 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.360 Vogue then whatever. I also think that if you're a 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.840 Vogue kind of celebrity, you actually ironically get more privacy 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.600 than if you're you know, because when you're like mid level, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.400 you have to there's like a symbiotic relationship, whereas when 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.920 you ascend to the like fancy rich person level of celebrity, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.440 you can just shut everybody out. I interviewed hot jug 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.880 head uh, who's a twin. Cole Sprouse and Dylan Sprouse 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.120 were like the boy Olsen twins, and they also did 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.000 a smart kind of like like Cole Sprouse is a 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.560 fashion photographer, you know, so he's totally on the Vogue thing. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.400 And then Dylan Sprouse started a metery in Brooklyn where 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:48.920 he makes mead. Isn't They're like, don't you have to 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.719 be like sixty years old at least to make meat. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.440 That's the whole thing is like I'm bringing he like 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.200 dates a supermodel and it's like I'm I'm bringing back 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.760 the ancient art of mead means hilarious. Well, Um, speaking 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.040 of choosing what kind of fancy are going to be, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.800 let's take a night email. Um. This night email comes 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.360 to us from Patrick, who writes a comment Emily that's 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.520 me made on this week's pod about quarantine being a 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.160 great time to have plastic surgery procedures done. Reminded me 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.520 of this story from a few weeks ago in the 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:26.239 Houston Chronicle about how Houston's wealthy are handling social distancing. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.520 Topics covered include expanded use of private jets, hiring newly 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.400 available high profile chefs for private dinners with friends, and 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.520 opting for plastic surgery. As the article says, social distancing is, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:42.080 after all, the perfect opportunity to recover inconspicuously. This article 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.040 is disturbing for a lot of reasons, and I'm still 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.560 surprised it didn't go viral so those of us fortunate 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.280 enough to stay at home could collectively mock it. It 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.400 was originally published on March eighteen, so I imagine that 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.640 part of the reason was that we didn't yet know 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.960 how bad the situation was going to get, especially for 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.720 the most vulnerable. I also think it doesn't help it. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.880 He's doesn't exactly have a ton of writer types with 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.280 big national social media reaches with which to share something 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.280 like this. Maybe y'all can start something retroactively. So this 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:14.200 is about the real Housewives of Houston. Yeah, allow me 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.440 to say, we'll talk about Death Becomes Her later and 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:23.000 Beverly Hills plastic surgery culture, but Man, Texas plastic surgery culture, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.520 that's scarious to me. So I have to say that 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.360 UM as not a fan of plastic surgery. Even despite this, 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.560 I have had a lot of conversations with people who's 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.440 um like parents and and older sisters and people who 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.320 are a little bit older have traveled to the South 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.280 specifically because they claim the plastic surgery looks better and 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.560 more natural than Los Angeles plastic surgery and New York 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.120 plastic surgery. Yes, and I don't know what it is. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.640 I mean, first of all, just being in the South, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.880 you have more humidity, you know, I'm just like, you're 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.160 just gonna look better, or if you live in a 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.480 place like Houston. Um, but yeah, it's I think that 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.680 they have like a slightly different aesthetic and maybe because 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.480 we're so used to the l a plastic surgery phase 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.280 or the New York plastic surgery phase. It's harder to 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.560 identify right off the bat unless it's something that's so 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.200 that would have been so exaggerated anyway. I actually think 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.600 if I had to say as a as A as 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.080 a regular user of real self, I would say that 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.360 New York has the most natural work on the whole. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.880 Really wants to go to New York right now. N 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.720 I thought Korea was the the international capital of of 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.720 like subtle plastic surgery. I would say that's the international capital, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.760 but let's talk about the national capitals. Right Growing up 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.360 in New York, I saw a lot of really terrible 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.560 plastic surgery. But that was a long time ago, so 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.480 that also could have been that. I don't know. I mean, 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.840 I've seen so many places where it's like like in 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.360 places in New York, where it's like you can opt 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.960 for different like lips. For example, there's like the New 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.520 York lip versus the l A lip, and the l 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.560 A lip is the one that looks insane like the 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.080 l A lip is the is the Simpsons lip, where 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.160 it's a large upper lip. US might respect the l 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.200 A lip for just you know, putting it out there. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.880 But again, these are choices. These are choices. I wouldn't 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.480 think I would. I mean, I I don't know. I 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.120 watched a little bit of what they had a short 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.880 lift Dallas Housewise, did they not? Oh it's still going. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.120 The one who was like the incredible villain just left 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.920 because she was very racist on the last season and 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.920 she like left to save her pride. The Dallas Housewives 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.920 is incredible. They all get all the stuff done for sure. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.000 That's where I learned the phrase mommy makeover. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.760 I gotta know about a mommy makeover? Um, like what 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.680 like your you get your hair done? Well. The one 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.000 thing that kind of jumped out to me about this article, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.240 it was the private jet thing, because there was this 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.560 story that came out recently about um, I believe it 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.959 was Goldman's Sacks purchasing a private jet or multiple private 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.200 jets like in the middle of this, like as recently 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.080 as like a week or two ago, And that was 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.920 very and I was thinking, I was like, how how tacky. Obviously, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.360 like like somebody was going to find out about this, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.679 like the shamelessness with which you would do this, But 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.679 I'm sure that somebody justified it to themselves like, oh no, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.840 this is how we're going to continue to be productive 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.880 and do social distancing. We just have to like fly private, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:41.080 which is just so like like completely you know, at 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.679 that point you're you're in another stratosphere of toxic wealth. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.600 But um, yeah, I fully believe that some people are 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.560 are like forcing people to stay on at their mansions, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.440 uh for domestic labor. But I also there's an Only 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.440 Times article about people firing their whole staff, um, which 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.719 was also obviously super fucked up. Well, the whole like 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.239 staff of the chateau got fired. Yeah, and now all 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.320 these things where people get fired and then they're like, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.320 here's a go fund me if you want to help. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.359 It's like a person who fired them should not be 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.080 pushing a go fund me now, it feels I mean, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.399 the thing that's kind of crazy to me is that like, 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.320 if you're a wealthy person, especially living in Houston or 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.119 somewhere in the middle of the country where you know 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:37.719 there's generally more space than a more classically urban stuttying 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.880 like in New York or something, uh like, you're good. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.399 You're good, Like you don't need you're a low risk 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.920 I feel like, but but people taking all these extravagant 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:53.560 measures to to stay socially distance. I would say also, 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:58.040 the Dallas Housewives are the most stufford wives of any 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.960 of the real housewives. They are. It's different than the 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.800 other franchises because, like in all the other franchises, it's 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.240 like they want to be married, but they also want 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.800 to have careers, And on Dallas, it's like a lot 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.439 of their husbands don't want them to have careers, you know, 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.479 just openly. So they were much more Betty drapery. And 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.919 in that sense, the sort of constant self care feels 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.400 like this other kind of sad, like got to fill 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:28.080 my days with just buffing myself to a sume because 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.400 that's their job is to look look good for your husband. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.480 That's why it's surprising to me that that it's considered 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.720 a better place to get work done, because in that 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.320 way it feels more dated like that, yeah, well the 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.240 whole thing feels Yeah, it also feels like eighties, like 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.600 a very eighties kind of wealth. This was This was 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.360 described as like the aesthetic. I mean, I think I'm 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.800 sure cost also comes into play. Um, even with travel, 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.320 It's probably depending on what you have want to have done, 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.679 like you can probably get a better deal. Um, but 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.080 I think it's it's just you know, the idea of 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.679 like a different aesthetic and something that's not as common 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.919 where you are. You can market it to people in 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.280 those other cities by being like, oh, they're doing something 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.440 different over there that you can't get here, or just 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.800 like you know that they have like a lighter touch 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.000 or something. Because it's true that like regionally, there are 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.400 trends that you probably notice if you're like back when 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.840 we used to be out and about as opposed to 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.679 just looking at the grid of the screen. I remember 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.520 when the Brazilian butt lift first became a thing. That 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.480 was the story was that it was like rich people 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.239 flying to South America to get these procedures that are 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.920 like state of the art, you know, just got invented. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.040 So I also think what you see in big cities 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.560 is like the cumulative effect of many generations of plastic surgery. Yeah, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.080 the people that have the sort of most messed with faces. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.040 You can tell that. It's like because because it is like, 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:57.400 as we'll talk about on death becomes her becomes about maintenance. Yeah, 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.160 you just broke my brain because I had now ever 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.960 really thought about what it would feel like to sit 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.479 on butt injections, And then I started trying to imagine it, 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.480 and now I've lost my bones. I can't feel so 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.960 cushion that never deflates. Do you think that your nerves? 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.399 I mean, like can you even feel? Like? How do 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.800 your nerves react to something like that? I wish I 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.080 never thought of it. I am the most you know, I, 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.320 as we've said on this podcast, like I have a 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.199 pretty okay attitude about the stuff, but the butt stuff 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:33.280 really squeems me out, like I, yeah, why would it's 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.360 why more than breast because you sit on it? You 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.080 to me, it's the same thing like the idea you 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.639 don't sit on your breasts, do you know? But but 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.000 it's the same idea of like putting something on that 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:51.680 then you're like you're training nerves sensation for about foods. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.600 Don't don't don't bother me as much. And I guess 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:59.320 maybe because it's more normalized even now, h but yeah, 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.120 sitting on or but it's just I don't know, like 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:06.080 that that feels very uncomfortable to me. Just imagine your 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.480 butt falling asleep. Okay, okay, now I'm ready to get 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:14.480 my left What if it felt like lumpy or strange, 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.160 like I think with with breast implants. I actually did 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.000 for a while get hung up on the idea of like, 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.639 can you not sleep on your stomach because you're like smushing, 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.600 you know, just feel so uncomfortable definitely when you're healing, 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.680 but then afterwards does it just feel bad? But then 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:31.840 I was like, man, I sit all the time, I'm 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.000 never not sitting. What if it was super uncomfortable? But 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:36.920 I just like I didn't know, and then I cut 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.520 the surgery. Yeah, what if it made it more comfortable 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.679 and it was like you were sitting in the luxurious 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:46.200 do you think? I mean, I have considered that as 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:52.200 somebody with very little going for me down there, like, great, 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.719 let's open it up. 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