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Speaker 3: dot com. Turning now to the dollar, there's some major

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Speaker 3: movement in the US economy with major geopolitical implications. Go

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Speaker 3: and put this up here on the screen. From the

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Speaker 3: financial time, it's going to read a little bit about this.

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Speaker 3: The dollar sinks to a four month low as gold

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Speaker 3: soores past five thousand dollars in the yen leap, So

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff kind of going on behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes. The simultaneous spike in the price of gold

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Speaker 3: to a low combined with some of the things that

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Speaker 3: are happening in the Japanese markets. Nobody is fully understanding exactly,

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Speaker 3: but I'll just read from what the general consensus on

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Speaker 3: Wall Street they say. The dollar, analyst said, is suffering

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Speaker 3: from the concerns over a potential government shutdown down point

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Speaker 3: extending losses sparks by the Greenland crisis of last week.

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Speaker 3: US risks pushed investors out of the dollar and they

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Speaker 3: sought safety and precious metals, sending gold to an all

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Speaker 3: traders speculate that the US and Japan could be lining

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Speaker 3: up their first coordinated intervention in currency since the G

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Speaker 3: seven acted to week in it after the twenty eleven earthquake.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of explains the broader picture for all

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Speaker 3: of those things. However, if you put D one b guys,

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Speaker 3: of the implications. Gold and silver also showed you some interesting,

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Speaker 3: you know, reversals that happened at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: So it's all just very strange, and I think that

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Speaker 3: the volatility is broadly just part of the instability right

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Speaker 3: now in the global system. So if you put the

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Speaker 3: next one up there on the screen, just to look

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Speaker 3: what you see is all of these different currencies that

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Speaker 3: have been rising against the dollar at various different percentages.

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Speaker 3: And I think that this is a direct consequence really

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Speaker 3: of a several factors. So instability in our current fiscal system.

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Speaker 3: Right so, we have a partial government shutdown which is

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Speaker 3: now looming, Greenland which had tariff risk. You know, we

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Speaker 3: didn't even get this in the show. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you saw this. Trump actually raised the tariffs from

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Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty five percent on South Korea just yesterday. Again,

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Speaker 3: huge eurobias in our press. Everyone seems to forget South Korea,

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Speaker 3: massively important trading partner to the United States. I don't

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Speaker 1: Again, never deserves the attention that it gets.

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Speaker 3: But you put that all together, you've got the shutdown,

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Speaker 3: you've got Greenland, general instability.

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Speaker 3: For the US, it's trading, really questions about the US

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Speaker 3: and its word for trading relationships. That's what's going to

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Speaker 3: those couple of things all together have the potential always

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Speaker 3: but it can just always lead to problems for debt,

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Speaker 1: We have at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I think these are all signs

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Speaker 2: And now instead of that, you see hard metals. You

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Speaker 2: this sort of like slow but steady shift away from

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Speaker 2: and global financial system. Now, none of this happens overnight.

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Speaker 2: But these countries, aided by the brazenness and you know,

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Speaker 2: wild maneuvering of Trump, have realized that the writing is

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Speaker 2: but the overall trend in the Trump administration has been

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Speaker 2: for those precious metals to continue to spike and hit

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Speaker 2: new and new and new record highs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just gold is one of those

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Speaker 3: go to the next one. Please, Mac, this is D three.

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Speaker 3: This is something I always keep my eye on, and

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve Mit Romney debate, there was this moment where

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Speaker 3: this is something that Romney very clumsily was not able

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Speaker 3: So this is a huge problem. Because you've got unemployment insurance,

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Speaker 3: sees households under significant stress. People have emergency savings, can

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Speaker 3: the more likely it is that you don't have the

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Speaker 3: for the economy, pushes people into debt. Outside of the pandemic,

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Speaker 3: we are now at the highest rate that we have

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Speaker 3: official BLS statistics, so you can see is significant actually increase.

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Speaker 3: One thing I also underestimated was that the government shutdown

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Speaker 3: actually appears to have ticked things up. Same things have

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Speaker 3: started to tick up after the government shutdown. Can't pinpoint

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Speaker 3: exactly why, but you know, I mean a lot. Forty

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Speaker 3: what several million people went forty one days without a paycheck.

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Speaker 1: If some contractors.

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Speaker 3: I think I forget exactly what the rules are, but

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Speaker 3: I know some contractors in some cases are not entils

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Speaker 3: a backpay that could have been It could have caused

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Speaker 3: like some immediate retrench but combined with the tariff policy

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Speaker 3: into play and interest rates, because that's what matters, you know,

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Speaker 2: No longer that a person is unemployed, the more difficult

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Speaker 2: You know, their skills atrophy. Employers who are evaluating resumes

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Speaker 2: why you have such a tale of you know, two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so obvious.

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Speaker 3: And you know the fact that the political class just

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Speaker 3: how this healthcare one up there. This is a very

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Speaker 3: are rocketing higher for middle income earners who rely on Obamacare.

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Speaker 3: So they say, millions of Americans starting to see their

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Speaker 3: they zero point two. For example, forty seven year old

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Speaker 3: couple who paid two hundred and fifty five dollars a

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Speaker 3: First of all, I need to meet these people and

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Speaker 3: find out how they got a seven hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: army of AI warriors who are auto sending stuff to Lore.

437
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is very very scary stuff. I mean, look, yes,

438
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Speaker 3: the war you know, it's winding down and some of

439
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: the content, But like the point is that this machine

440
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: being put into place can just be deployed for basically anything,

441
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: and they're gonna use, you know, their private guidelines. I

442
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 3: really think this is the time. I think I've seen

443
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Speaker 3: some Democrats talk about this. Didn't Gavin Newsom say that

444
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: he was going to announce investigation and everyone's concerned, you know,

445
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: you're like, you're talking about the dem creators and all that.

446
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: The thing is is that this has now been going

447
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: on for ten years, you know, ever since twenty sixteen

448
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 3: and Facebook, and it's just we have to like put

449
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 3: this to bed, especially TikTok is now under US ownership.

450
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Speaker 3: We need transparent guidelines that talk specifically about moderation, published

451
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: standards and then the public has to be able to

452
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 3: weigh in. I've talked previously, I'm curious for a review.

453
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 3: I think we should just pass to take it off

454
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 3: of their plate and just be like, look from now on,

455
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: if it's consistent with the First Amendment, it's up there.

456
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: And then in terms of ranking and all of that.

457
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 3: For advertising purposes, you may have the ability, you know,

458
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: to have some sort of tweak. But even then it

459
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: gets sketchy because as you and I have seen, you know,

460
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: on YouTube, like if you get a video that's demonetized

461
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: for ad purposes, it may still have tremendous news value,

462
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: doesn't get a lot of use, or something just doesn't

463
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Speaker 3: appear to pop off.

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Speaker 1: But I think at this point.

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Speaker 3: We need national legislation just period, end of story, that

466
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Speaker 3: sets like standards.

467
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Speaker 1: Otherwise this is what we're going to get.

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Speaker 3: All you have elon on the one hand, you know,

469
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Speaker 3: Grock putting like girls in bikinis, and then you've got

470
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Speaker 3: this nonsense like literally is it cannot no literal girls

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Speaker 3: like actual children?

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Speaker 1: Right, we didn't spend enough time on that. I got

473
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Speaker 1: lost in the sauce.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, like the literal girl like, we need serious

475
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Speaker 3: federal guidelines and legislation from AI and to social media.

476
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Speaker 3: Like my new cause to lab for AI is I

477
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Speaker 3: think that anything AI picture generation should be just be

478
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Speaker 3: banned for people, like for anyone who's alive. I just

479
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Speaker 3: think there's nothing good that can come of it, all

480
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Speaker 3: of these image renderers. Look, it's sometimes fun for thumbnails

481
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Speaker 3: and all that, but like, no, the societal cost and

482
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: the destruction and the ability to trust, like any video

483
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: that you see, it's too much.

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Speaker 1: Same here, it's which TikTok.

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Speaker 3: We need published benefits like or sorry published, we need

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Speaker 3: published rules.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do.

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Speaker 3: This is how we dem rank. This is exactly how

489
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Speaker 3: much it's gonna go down. That's the very least and

490
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Speaker 3: in a macro level, which should just pass like anything

491
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Speaker 3: consistent with the First Amendment. It's good to go, period,

492
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Speaker 3: end of story. The government's taking it off your plate.

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Speaker 3: This is how it has to be because we can't

494
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Speaker 3: have this. We're living under literal oligarchical fighting control depending

495
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Speaker 3: on who is in power and who who you know,

496
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Speaker 3: depends and tends to have like the ear of the

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Speaker 3: ear of the White House, like the bid demonstration, which

498
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Speaker 3: is too much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean there's that definitely needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: You got to break up. I mean, it's just you

501
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Speaker 2: can't the Ellison family how many media properties they control

502
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Speaker 2: at this point, and when you have billionaires for whom

503
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Speaker 2: like you know he there are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who are leaving TikTok. Now I don't know the numbers,

505
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: but they're going to this other app shout out to

506
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: upscrolled as like a TikTok alternative. I'm myself downloaded and

507
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: playing around with it to see what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: They are degrading the experience of TikTok for a political agenda,

509
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: and because he has so much money, like it almost

510
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: could be like a catch and kill situation where he

511
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Speaker 2: doesn't really care that much if the platform has the

512
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Speaker 2: widest reach or is the most financially successful, if it

513
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: is serving a political agenda, and that political agenda does

514
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: debtail with their financial interests because they want to, you know,

515
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: make sure Trump is happy with what's going on there

516
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: so that whatever business deals they want to effectuate get

517
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: you get a glide path through this administration. And so

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Speaker 2: those are the kind of dynamics that are controlling these platforms,

519
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: not anything that's in any thought of like the public

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Speaker 2: interest or what's appropriate under a speech or fort Amendment

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Speaker 2: standard that doesn't even enter into the calculation whatsoever. So

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, I think they genuinely don't care

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Speaker 2: that much whether TikTok is successful as a platform, so

524
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Speaker 2: long as it is serving the ideological interests of ZIONUS

525
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: and also of the Trump administration. That's what. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's certainly what it looks like here in the early days.

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Speaker 3: And like what and I can serve other ends, you know,

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Speaker 3: for their business empire. Sometimes it's like it can hurt TikTok,

529
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: but right now, you know, paramounts guidance needs a merger,

530
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: acquisition or whatever to go through. So it's everything is

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Speaker 3: like an interconnected web.

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Speaker 2: Completely and TikTok is probably nothing profit wise compared to

533
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Speaker 2: that broader enterprise. Like that is the bigger picture, which

534
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Speaker 2: is why corporate consolidation and corporate ownership of all of

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Speaker 2: these media entities is such an incredible, you know issue,

536
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: and such a pernicious issue as well. So I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's certainly looking like TikTok is not going to be

538
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: the same at least for political content, and they may

539
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Speaker 2: just turn it into like I saw someone saying their

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Speaker 2: effect to turning it into threads where political content is

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Speaker 2: de ranked, where it's essentially, you know, pushed to the

542
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: sidelines in favor of just like you know, the most

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00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: anadyne like sports, cooking things, all the money neutral and safe.

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00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where all the money is made. Remember, you

545
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: know there are channels that do one probably one fifty

546
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 3: amount of views that you and I will get, who

547
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: will make probably either the same or even sometimes more

548
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: money because they cover very blase thing and the advertisers

549
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: don't want to be connected. Like advertisers don't like political content.

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00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: They never have unfortunately, can't kill the democratic want of

551
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: a lot of people to like want to know what

552
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: the hell is going on, And so it's always been inconsistent. YouTube,

553
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: all these other platforms they would kill political content if

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00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: they could, or like in their ideal world, they don't

555
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Speaker 3: want it there.

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Speaker 1: It's really not.

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Speaker 3: It's much more a pain in the ass for them

558
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: than it is in terms of a money maker. And yeah,

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00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: I think it's really unfortunate. And this is why again

560
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: I think we need federal legislation. People need to come

561
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Speaker 3: in set a clear standard and just be like this

562
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Speaker 3: is it this is how we go from here on out,

563
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: because every four years, I mean watching Zuckerberg go from

564
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: you know, from being a Biden suck up to standing

565
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: behind Trump at the inauguration and then now here with

566
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: the TikTok. It's just too much to constantly be swinging

567
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 3: and like sucking up to the people in power, from

568
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Speaker 3: COVID censorship to denouncing it.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's been such a.

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Speaker 3: Whirlwind over the last ten years that at the point

571
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, just this needs to be a settled question.

572
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: We need to put down something and just go from there.

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00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: And like you said, too, these people can't be allowed

574
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Speaker 3: to control everything because there's danger.

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Speaker 1: There's danger to it for us as.

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Speaker 3: Consumers, for you in terms of the information that you're

577
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: literally getting there. And then also yeah, at a major

578
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: like more democratic question, this is just basic antitrust law.

579
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Speaker 3: It just needs to go well.

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Speaker 2: And the last thing I'll say is just really important

581
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: to keep in mind why this, you know, ownership ban

582
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: and shift to the US leadership of the company, why

583
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: it happens, and you know, the rationale that actually pushed

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Speaker 2: this over the finish line was all about Palestine. You know,

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00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: there may have been some other ideas to begin with,

586
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: and people who wanted it, like yourself, Soger, for different

587
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: reasons for years. But yeah, but the stated reason people

588
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: like Mitt Romney said this outright, that this actually got

589
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: over the finish line under a democratic administration, let's keep

590
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: in mind, was because they didn't like that people were

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Speaker 2: speaking out with regard to the genocide in Gasa. They

592
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: did not like the pro Palestine sentiment. Remember Nikki Haley

593
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Speaker 2: talking about like that for every minute people spend on TikTok,

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Speaker 2: they become thirty percent more anti Semitic or whatever like

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Speaker 2: that is actually the argument that led to this, And

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Speaker 2: so no one should be surprised by the you know,

597
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: by the consequences that we are seeing and by the

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00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: crackdown on you know, a variety of types of political speech.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens when they get their power

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Speaker 2: out and short figured out and what the you know,

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00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 2: what the state of TikTok is after they get all

602
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: of that work out. But so far it's looking pretty grim.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. All right, let's get Domic Khan standing by.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we've got a bunch of updates for

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Speaker 2: you on Gaza on the quote unquote Board of Peace

606
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Speaker 2: on the latest with regard to neat Yahoo and Israel.

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Speaker 2: And we're very fortunate to be joined this morning by

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Speaker 2: the frontline humanitarian and philanthropists and also executive producer of

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Speaker 2: the Voice of Hindra John the Academy Award nominated Voice

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Speaker 2: of Hindra Job Ahmed Cohn. Great to see us, her,

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Speaker 2: good to see.

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Speaker 1: How are you guys to see?

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Speaker 2: Very good, very good. So Mac, if you could put

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Speaker 2: this first images up on the screen, just this is

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Speaker 2: what it looks like in Gaza. Now you can see

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Speaker 2: just continued absolute misery, people living in these flimsy tents, winds,

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Speaker 2: we've seen of course rainstorms.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There's also amed beIN and you can speak to this.

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Speaker 2: Israel has now blocked a huge number of international aid

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Speaker 2: organizations from continuing to work in Gaza. Can you just

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Speaker 2: talk to us about that piece and also what the

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Speaker 2: condition on the ground are like today.

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Speaker 5: The conditions are horrendous. The suffering has not been mitigated

625
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Speaker 5: at all. You know, sure there's not twenty four hours

626
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 5: airstrikes anymore, but it's a different kind of suffering, like

627
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Speaker 5: a slow genocide. So people are still malnourished, people don't

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Speaker 5: have homes. Ninety percent of the homes have been destroyed.

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Speaker 5: People are living in tents, and the tents get destroyed

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Speaker 5: by the wind, the wind and the rain, and so

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Speaker 5: there's a shortage of tents and tarps, which is nuts

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Speaker 5: because there are millions and millions of tents and tarps

633
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 5: around the world sitting in warehouses. And you know, it's

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Speaker 5: done by design. It's all by design sort of. The

635
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: Israelis don't necessarily want everyone to die at once, but

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't mind if they sort of die slowly, and

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Speaker 5: that's happening. Children are still dying of hypothermia, which is crazy.

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00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: There's supposedly a ceasefire. How do you let children die

639
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: of hypothermia. It's a very simple thing to mitigate.

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Speaker 3: There's been a develop meant with the you know, with

641
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: the hostage remains. The very last remains of a hostage

642
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: have now been returned. Matt, Can you just go and

643
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Speaker 3: queue up the next part of Netanyahu speaking yesterday in

644
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Speaker 3: the Kanesse, he said quote that the next stage is

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Speaker 3: not reconstruction, it is the disarmament of Hamas and the

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Speaker 3: demilitarization of the Gaza strip. We have an interest in

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Speaker 3: advancing this stage, not delaying and Ahmed, how do you

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Speaker 3: see this in the context of what you're saying, is

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Speaker 3: this allegedly was supposed to begin some new part of

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Speaker 3: the ceasefire opening up, you know, some of the pathways

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Speaker 3: into Gaza. However they're saying naturally, no, we're still continuing disarmament,

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Speaker 3: and that means that they're going to continue to block ede.

653
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Speaker 1: Is that how you understand it?

654
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's there's nothing new. It's totally in

655
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Speaker 5: line with the endgame that's existed since October eighth of

656
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, which is essentially the ethnic cleansing of Gaza,

657
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Speaker 5: and so this is totally in line with that because

658
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 5: they don't want, you know, people to have their homes back.

659
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: They don't want the thirty six hospitals to be rebuilt.

660
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Speaker 5: They destroyed almost all of them.

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Speaker 1: You know.

662
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Speaker 5: They don't want any way or semblance of way to

663
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Speaker 5: you know, sort of re restart your life. So when

664
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Speaker 5: they talk about reconstruction, we're talking about building materials. I

665
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: can't get building materials and nobody can get building materials

666
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: in That's why people are stuck with tents and tarbs,

667
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Speaker 5: even if they're lucky enough to get them. So yeah,

668
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Speaker 5: this is totally in line with what the Prime Minister

669
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Speaker 5: has been saying, and what various members of Kinestut have

670
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Speaker 5: been saying, and you know, ministers like Smotrich and ben Vera,

671
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 5: they've been very clear, we want people out of we

672
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Speaker 5: want people out of Gaza. We don't want them to

673
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Speaker 5: restart their lives.

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Speaker 2: How does this connect with Trump's whole Board of Peace thing?

675
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Speaker 2: Kushner showed up at Davos with his whole PowerPoint presentation

676
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: showing this, you know, very sort of like I don't know,

677
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: Doha or Dubai looking rendering of what Gaza is going

678
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: to look like after their reconstruction efforts. You've got on

679
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: the board of piece, you've got characters like Kushner, You've

680
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: got characters like Tony Blair. Of course, no Palestinians represented

681
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Speaker 2: at that top level on the Gaza Board of Peace.

682
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Speaker 2: How are you understanding what the actual plan is here?

683
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Speaker 5: Well, you never really know until it sort of happens

684
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: with these kinds of characters, right like, because it's easy

685
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 5: to sort of say we're going to do this and

686
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 5: we're going to do that, but until it actually happens,

687
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 5: you never know because the Gaza, other people of Gaza,

688
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 5: just in this century alone, have been lied to over

689
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 5: and over and over again two thousand and five, two

690
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 5: thousand and eight, twenty fourteen, twenty eighteen, twenty twenty one.

691
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 5: So no one's very optimistic about some kind of bright future.

692
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Speaker 5: And the reality is, look at the Board of Peace.

693
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: I mean, none of the no member of that board

694
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Speaker 5: of piece has ever made anyone's life better except probably

695
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 5: their own. There are no great humanitarians there. There's nobody

696
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: who's ever showed any human empathy, you know, So it's

697
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: not something to be I mean, what do we have.

698
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 5: We have a few real estate agents and finance people,

699
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 5: basically the type of people that have suck the life

700
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Speaker 5: out of the US economy and sort of crashed the

701
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 5: middle class, the reason we don't have good hospitals and

702
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 5: healthcare and infrastructure in the United States. And so these

703
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 5: people are gonna rebuild Gaza. You know, it's it's sort

704
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 5: of hard to believe.

705
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Speaker 3: And while we have you you were talking to us

706
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: beforehand about Sudan. The audience has taken a lot of

707
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 3: interest in this. You're saying it's getting no international press coverage.

708
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Speaker 3: Why don't you tell us about what you saw you

709
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: were just there.

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Speaker 5: Uh, the situation is horrendous. It's almost beyond belief. The

711
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: suffering is next level. It's sort of reminded me I

712
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: worked in Rwanda in the refugee camps and it's kind

713
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: of like that. And there's no end in sight. You know,

714
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Speaker 5: they're just theoretically a ceasefire, but that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Incredible And last question for you, you know, what do

716
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: you think is going to happen next in Gaza? And

717
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Speaker 2: also do you see this Board of Peace as many do,

718
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: as an attempt to sort of supplant the UN with

719
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Speaker 2: an entity that has Trump at the head, Because now

720
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Speaker 2: they're talking not just about the Gaza Board of Pace,

721
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Speaker 2: they're talking about using this in a variety of international

722
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: context and conflicts around the world. So how do you

723
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: see these pieces fitting together?

724
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I assume that's their purpose to supplant the UN.

725
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 5: But the membership is some dictators. I want to be dictators,

726
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 5: right like, so I don't know how that represents the

727
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: entire world, but well, it remains to be seen. People,

728
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: we have no other alternative at this moment, and then

729
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 5: to rely on them, right And So the way I

730
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 5: read it is President Trump is actually in charge of

731
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Speaker 5: everything in Gaza, and which is probably I mean, it's

732
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 5: not the worst thing, because he's probably better than everyone

733
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Speaker 5: else on that board a piece in terms of human

734
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Speaker 5: empathy and which you know, I'm not saying a lot.

735
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Speaker 5: There's nobody on there that has any interest humanitarian affairs,

736
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Speaker 5: humanitarian support. There's nobody who's mentioned. Like when Jared Kushner

737
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 5: was in Davos, he didn't talk about way we have

738
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Speaker 5: to one point two million kids that have been subjected

739
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Speaker 5: to trauma that no one's ever seen before. We have

740
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Speaker 5: twenty thousand kids that are in need of prosthetics. We

741
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 5: need to surge medical devices, we need to surge medical machines.

742
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Speaker 5: All the hospitals. There's no pediatric monitors, there's no pediatric ventilators,

743
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 5: there's no ct machines, no extriym machines. They didn't talk

744
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: anything about that, right, Like they talked about the vision

745
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 5: of these Dubai type buildings on rubble and dead bodies,

746
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 5: and that's you know, that's kind of the part that

747
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 5: I think all of us, if we have any connections

748
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: or can get a hold of anyone, just let's remember

749
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: the people, as you pointed out, there are no Palestinians

750
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: anywhere near the decision making process. Right, they're in the

751
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: technocratic process, but they can't say, you know, we have

752
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 5: thirty six hospitals that have been destroyed, we have thousands

753
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 5: and thousands of people that either need to be evacuated

754
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 5: or we need thousands of doctors and nurses here. And

755
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 5: even surely there's thousands of doctors and nurses around the

756
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: world that would love to come to Gaza and help out, but.

757
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Speaker 1: They're not allowed in.

758
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Speaker 5: So the lack of attention to the humanitarian situation was

759
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 5: very disconcerting.

760
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Speaker 2: Do you think that Trump and NETNYA who are aligned

761
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: at this point, or do you think they're excuse me,

762
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: misaligned in terms of what they want to see next,

763
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: because it certainly seems like Yahoo wants to use the

764
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, the question of disarmament as a pretext to

765
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: bar any sort of construction materials and any sort of

766
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Speaker 2: reconstruction efforts, including the like predatory Jared Kushner led once

767
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Speaker 2: from from proceedings.

768
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Speaker 5: So how do you see that, Well, it's hard to

769
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 5: say whether it's theater and they're just doing this like

770
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: for show or they really have different ideas because President

771
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: Trump has said, you know, nobody's leaving unless they want to.

772
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: And you know, nan Yaw has basically sent to everybody's out.

773
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 5: So it's really hard to tell until it happens. So

774
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: when Rafa border crossing opens, we'll see. For example, I

775
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 5: evacuated little kids who were almost near death and but

776
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 5: these really didn't allow them. The father is out, and

777
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 5: so can I re Can I reunite that family? Or

778
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 5: do I have to pay somebody? Who do I have

779
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 5: to pay? It's it's all, it's all very very up

780
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 5: in the air until it happens, and we just sort

781
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: of react to the situation on the ground as it's happening,

782
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: and then you know, we react. But there's nothing really uh,

783
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 5: nothing to be optimistic about today at this very moment.

784
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and lastly, you know a cultural question here, as

785
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Voice of Henry jab which you are executive

786
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: producer of, was nominated for an Academy Award. How significant

787
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: do you think that is in terms of you know,

788
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: Hollywood even recognizing this this film, and you know, why

789
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: did you decide to get involved with it? Why did

790
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: you think that it was important that people see this movie.

791
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: Well, as you know, I've done these sort of evacuations

792
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 5: of rescuing little kids from war zones and you know,

793
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: trying to save their lives, and this is a little

794
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 5: kid that wasn't able to be saved. And so I

795
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: thought it was important to tell her story because there

796
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 5: are thousands and thousands of these stories in Gaza and

797
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 5: around the world. We just happen to have the tapes

798
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: of the call from her to emergency services and back

799
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 5: and forth and you know, and basically explaining the situation.

800
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Speaker 5: We don't have that for the thousands of other little

801
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 5: kids that have been killed in Gaza. So I thought

802
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 5: it was important to be a part of that. And

803
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 5: I don't know, I hope people will respond. And the

804
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 5: movie is not going to feed anybody, it's not going

805
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 5: to put a roof over anybody's head, but it will

806
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: tell the story of a little girl clinging to life

807
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 5: and then losing her life, right, And so I think

808
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 5: the director Counthor Benhania, does an amazing job of telling

809
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 5: this story. But there's nothing there's nothing good about it,

810
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: whether you know, Hollywood embraces it and says, look, this

811
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: is important and maybe we win. I don't know. I

812
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 5: don't know what happens, but I think the people have responded.

813
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 5: Regular people and it's always regular people that are the

814
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 5: key to all this. But now we need to, you know,

815
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 5: sort of move into action and say, what kind of

816
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 5: world is this where we allow this to happen, where

817
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: no one comes and rescues her. You know, the paramedics

818
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 5: tried to come and rescue her and they were killed, right,

819
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 5: and so this is it was It's it's a harrowing story,

820
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: but the entire situation is a heroin.

821
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us, Simon. We

822
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Speaker 1: always appreciate you.

823
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Speaker 5: Thanks for making the time. I really appreciate it because

824
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 5: this humanitarian situation all around the world is obviously not

825
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: covered by anyone else except for you and a few others.

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Speaker 1: Keep it's a great word. Thanks man. All right, guys,

827
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. We appreciate it.

828
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Speaker 3: Thank you for your patience as we're buried literally under

829
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: an unending kingdom of ice that apparently will never melt

830
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: and will just continue to crush my hopes and dreams.

831
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Speaker 1: You could tell I'm starting to get a little bit

832
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: of cabin fever.

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Speaker 3: We will do our best to get back in the

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Speaker 3: studio as soon as as safely as possible. Remember not

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Speaker 3: just for us, but also for the crew and for

836
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: many of the other people that make it happen. So

837
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Speaker 3: bear with us as we can. But Christal, you and

838
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Speaker 3: Emily are gonna have a great show tomorrow, so they'll

839
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Speaker 3: see you then.