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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by

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Speaker 1: Zaxby's Happy Thanksgiving Week. Buck. How you doing, man, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. It's always an exciting time of year. I

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Speaker 1: think Thanksgiving is like probably my favorite holiday only because

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Speaker 1: of like you also you naturally have like you're great

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Speaker 1: for all the things that you've had happened to you

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Speaker 1: over the course of the year, the people that are

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Speaker 1: around whatever, and also it's anonymous for football. So what

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Speaker 1: other day did you get where everyone knows? Shut down

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Speaker 1: everything the three football games on no one can talk.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. We eat, we watch sports,

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Speaker 1: we eat, we watched games like that's like, what other

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Speaker 1: day is you have another day that's like that? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty solid. That's a solid day. Uh. I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to tell everybody we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what we saw from that game last

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Speaker 1: what that means for them going forward, as well as, uh,

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Speaker 1: we gotta with our priorities because we've we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about Thanksgiving here Buck do you go? Do you add

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Speaker 1: turkey to the do you add ham to the mix?

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Speaker 1: Or you were a turkey only guy for Thanksgiving? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so like DJ, like over the past year, I've given

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Speaker 1: up like all meat except fish. Right, So this would

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this. I didn't know this about you

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Speaker 1: quietly right because my my daughter, um, my daughter went

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Speaker 1: kind of like you did. I think you did that

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Speaker 1: this would be the first time where I don't know,

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Speaker 1: lot of stuffing, a lot of mac and cheese. Um,

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Speaker 1: we really like Kenny and sweet potatoes and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But no, in normal times, it has always been like

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't until I was in college. Right, Like

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Speaker 1: I used to love my mom's cranberry sauce, right, I

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Speaker 1: It was a cranberry sauce and I never knew. I

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Speaker 1: We were just talking about this, so we do we'll

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Speaker 1: That is, you get your bad Lions game doesn't matter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sad because this year I don't like obviously, with

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Speaker 1: to hear. The saddest We'll get to the football here,

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Speaker 1: What happened? Were you playing basketball? Were you a little

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Speaker 1: What do you think the game last night? You know,

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh has grown a lot as a play caller.

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Speaker 1: And I think the one thing, UM that I can respect.

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Speaker 1: And this goes from the scouting business. Whatever decision you make,

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Speaker 1: an Alvin Kamara type. It has to be a guy

431
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Speaker 1: like a Christian McCaffrey. It has to be a Dalvin Cook.

432
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Speaker 1: And I know people talk about the money that was

433
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Speaker 1: poured into Christian McCaffrey, but for Alvin Kamari and Dalvin Cook,

434
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Speaker 1: I think it has been more than worth. It's way

435
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Speaker 1: in gold in terms of that. But I think the

436
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Speaker 1: team building has to be about stars, and when you

437
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Speaker 1: get the right stars, I think the other thing that

438
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: is underrated and DJ we know this working inside. All

439
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: coaches aren't created equal. When you have a team full

440
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Speaker 1: of stars and you're building the team like we talked

441
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 1: about like that star model, you better have coaches who

442
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: can coach the stars. And I will say this about

443
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: the Rams they have. They have two coaches that are

444
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Speaker 1: doing a great job of coaching the stars. Upfront. Eric

445
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: Kendison did D line coach. Just read about how they

446
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Speaker 1: you know, they have their thing and they call their

447
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: D line the dogs and how they get after it

448
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. But Aaron Donald said this, and he said,

449
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Speaker 1: I want to coach that coaches me hard, that holds

450
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Speaker 1: me accountable and doesn't And it's a lot easier when

451
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Speaker 1: the star is willing to be coached. But he gets

452
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Speaker 1: on Aaron Donald, he coaches him. He tries to refine

453
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Speaker 1: his technique. He works in those things to see if

454
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Speaker 1: they can squeeze even one percent more out of an

455
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Speaker 1: elite player. And I think you look at Aaron Donald's consistency,

456
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Speaker 1: that's not all talent. That is a combination of talent

457
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: and motor and technique overwhelming people. And I think every

458
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: president pleasant has done a great job in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: With Jalen Ramsey, and I know Jalen Ramsey and Jacksonville,

460
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Speaker 1: they would say he may have been difficult to um

461
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: corral and contain but some of that had to do

462
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Speaker 1: with whoever was coaching, and not even a position coach,

463
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: but the coordinator, and they have been able to get

464
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Speaker 1: him not only the play at a high level, but

465
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Speaker 1: to be everything that we thought he was going to

466
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Speaker 1: be at Florida State because he's not just a pure corner.

467
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Speaker 1: He's a playmaker, and they use him in that playmaking world.

468
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Speaker 1: I think that this might be an oversimplification here, but

469
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Speaker 1: I think there's also something to be said from taking

470
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Speaker 1: guys who have a long track record of winning at

471
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Speaker 1: the collegiate level who have been stuck on losing teams,

472
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Speaker 1: and then you might get some attitude issues, you might

473
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Speaker 1: have some things pop up and and to a degree,

474
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Speaker 1: I think with Jamal Adams you can see that as well.

475
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Speaker 1: I think it's better for him to go to Seattle

476
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Speaker 1: because he came from LS. You always did was win

477
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: all that losing takes a toll on you go to

478
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Speaker 1: see out of where they've won more. I think it's

479
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: better for both parties. I think there is something to

480
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Speaker 1: that because we get that disgruntled label, you know with

481
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Speaker 1: the guy like Jalen Ramsey and say, man, he's I

482
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: don't mean he's so competitive, and this guy has done

483
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Speaker 1: nothing but win through his whole life and now he's

484
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Speaker 1: done nothing but really lose outside of one season in Jacksonville.

485
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Speaker 1: Maybe if we put him in our winning environment, um,

486
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Speaker 1: we could see him get going a little bit. So

487
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Speaker 1: that that uh, to me, it was an example of

488
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Speaker 1: I think that that being a good formula. It worked. Yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think it is a great formula.

490
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Speaker 1: And I think I mean, the word is overplayed and

491
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: has been overplayed the last four or five years when

492
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Speaker 1: we talk about culture. But I think at the end

493
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Speaker 1: of the day, DJ that we can talk about the

494
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Speaker 1: money that players make or whatever, at the end of

495
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Speaker 1: the day, they're still in my mind when I look

496
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Speaker 1: at him. There's seven eight nine year olds and to

497
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Speaker 1: put the effort in, all the time that you put

498
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Speaker 1: in to play and perform. Man, it's hard when you

499
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Speaker 1: don't win. And the things that we celebrate about a

500
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Speaker 1: lot of players in the draft, like we always are

501
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: looking for those guys that are the alpha players, the

502
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Speaker 1: ones that love winning, they want to win and everything

503
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Speaker 1: that that they do. When you dig into the background

504
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: and you find out about their exploits, like man, this

505
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: guy was a high level track player a on the

506
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: pain point table. He loves to compete. Uh. Talking about

507
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: the guy that you see all the time, Derwin James.

508
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: Derman James, one of the best gamers in the league.

509
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: Loves it, can't get enough of it. In that competitive spirit.

510
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: And when you take those guys, if you don't put

511
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Speaker 1: them in the right environment where you allow them to

512
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Speaker 1: fully be the the competitors that they are, Yeah, it

513
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: rubs people wrong. It goes back to you. I took

514
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: this from you because you turned me on Dave Ramsey.

515
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: Donkeys and thoroughbreds. You can't put thoroughbreds and donkeys in

516
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Speaker 1: the same stable. It doesn't work. But when you put

517
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Speaker 1: a bunch of thoroughbreds in a stable together, it works out.

518
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: And when you think about Jalen Ramsey being on the

519
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: defense with Aaron Donald and some of those other competitors

520
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: that they have, it raises the level of intensity. And

521
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: I think Leonard Floyd has also benefited from that because

522
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: we can say what he was as Chicago. Look, he

523
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: was a big hunt player at George and he played

524
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: with a level players at George and for whatever reason,

525
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: it didn't work. But with the Rams around, the people

526
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: that he's around, it's working out, and so there's something

527
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: to be said for that, no doubt. All r Let's

528
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: let's get over it to the other side here real

529
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: quick with Tampa Um. I said at the beginning of

530
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: the year, I thought that Tom Brady would get off

531
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: to a fast start. But I wanted to see how,

532
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: at forty three years old, once we get into the last,

533
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, quarter plus of the season, how his body

534
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: would be able to maintain, how his performance would be

535
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: coming down the stretch. I thought last year, Uh in

536
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Speaker 1: New England, we saw him really fall off on the

537
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: back half of the season. People said that the weather

538
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: is going to be better, um, better team around him.

539
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: I get all those things totally true. You're forty three

540
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: years old, dude, and and eventually haven't been in a

541
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: physical activity for a long stretch of time, You're gonna

542
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: start to see a little bit of decline. So my question,

543
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: you Buck, is just is that what we're seeing or

544
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: do you see something else involved here? No? I think

545
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: that's it. And I think the thing that a lot

546
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: of people UM have a tough time doing, and I

547
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: think when your scouting, you have to be able to

548
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: separate this. You have to separate your feelings for the

549
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: player and the achievements that he has to this point

550
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: from the performance that we're seeing. And we've seen this

551
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: the last two or three years late November December. Tom

552
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: Brady becomes a different player when you go back, and

553
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: everyone has always faulted the Patriots didn't have enough weapons,

554
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: they didn't do this, they didn't do that. But tom

555
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: Brady's play has declined. And if you go back and

556
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: you check the last four games and each of the

557
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: final three years, like it's significantly dipped the Patriots, even

558
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl run um. They started relying increasingly

559
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: on the running game, power football, and asking him to

560
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: make two or three plays the game as opposed to

561
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: really running the entire offense through him, letting the auxiliary

562
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: pieces really carry him. To that point. What I worry about,

563
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: and what I always worried about in Tampa was Bruce

564
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Arians to me, has one path to success. He wants

565
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: to push it down the field. He wants to play

566
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: like bombs away, and that is the way that he knows.

567
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: To me, I don't think he has other clubs in

568
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: his back. I don't think he has the ability to

569
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: construct a power running game to say, you know what,

570
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: my quarterback is a little older. He struggling right. Now,

571
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna lean more into

572
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: our power running says. Hey, let's be a little more

573
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen heavy this week. Hey, let's introduce a

574
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: little more twenty one personnel. I know what we have,

575
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: all these shiny toys on the outside, but what we

576
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: need to do is game control of the game, so

577
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: we can do a little less of TV twelve and

578
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Speaker 1: allow him to be more efficient. I don't know if

579
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: they can switch gears and do that. And I think

580
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: when we look at the New Orleans Saints and the

581
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: way that they have shifted with Taysom Hill, I think

582
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: it just shows the depth of knowledge and versatility and

583
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: acumen that Sean Payton has when it comes to the

584
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Oh, I can do more

585
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: like I know, I played this way with Drew Brees,

586
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: but Taysom Hill is different, so we're gonna play a

587
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: completely different way. A lot of people don't have the

588
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: ability to shift schemes and systems because that's all they know.

589
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Bruce arians has that in him,

590
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: And I think what's going to happen. And you're can

591
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: see a cost to Tampa by Buccaneers because playing the

592
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: way that they're playing, I don't know if they can

593
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: sustain it going all the way through the end of

594
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: the year in the postseason. Let me give you the

595
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: troubling numbers here with them, um and uh, we'll kind

596
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: of roll through it. Here. They're leading rusher from these

597
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: last few games. Let's go back to October, which was

598
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: a big game for them. They won, They beat the

599
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: beat the Raiders forty twenty. It's a big win for

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00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: net had fifty in that game. The next game against

601
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: the Giants was a squeaker they barely wont had fifty

602
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: two yards leading rusher. They got their brains beat out

603
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: by the Saints. Ronald Jones had nine yards of the

604
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: game where they ran the ball four times in the

605
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: neil down. Last week was okay, they scored forty six points.

606
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones goes for a buck ninety two. All right,

607
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: follow that up this week Ronald Jones leads a team

608
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: with twenty four yards. So you've had one game and

609
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: the last one two, three, four, five, one game in

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00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: the last five where you've had a running back over

611
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: fifty two yards and to go to your point, that

612
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: was not the formula that the Patriots had figured out

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00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: to follow to get to the finish line. There. I

614
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: worry about this team. Man. You've got Kansas City coming up.

615
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: You've got Minnesota who's been a little bit up and down,

616
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: but it's a dangerous team. Atlantic can score points. Um,

617
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: so you know you've got that Detroit that they're not

618
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: very good. You've got Atlanta again. So Kansas City, Minnesota,

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00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: they could they could very easily be on a three

620
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: game losing streak as they head to Atlanta. It's gonna

621
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: be hard for them to get the two wins. And

622
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: I know no one wants to hear that, but it's

623
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for them to get to ten wins.

624
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: It's going it's going to get increasingly harder because as

625
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: teams continue to get comfortable with what the Tampa Bay

626
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: Buccaneers have and how they're playing and how they basically

627
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots in Tampa Bay Buccaneers uniforms. From

628
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint, you can see people begin to jam

629
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the middle. They're gonna dare Tom Brady to the throw

630
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: the ball outside. They can continue to try and pressure

631
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: him up the middle. And what we're seeing now is

632
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is making mistakes without necessarily be impression and

633
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: part of that is part of that is just what

634
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: happens when you get older, like you can't do the

635
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: same things that you could do when you're younger, and

636
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: so it becomes different. And so this would be the

637
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: biggest coaching challenge of Bruce arians coaching career. Can he

638
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: look at the start and no, A, my start is

639
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: not what I thought he was going to be, and

640
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: have the hard conversation with Tom Brady, A, Tom, this

641
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: is the best way that we need to play to win.

642
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: Can you do it in a way that isn't comfortable

643
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: for you? That's the challenge that Bruce Arians has to determine.

644
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: Can he do something that we haven't seen him do,

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Speaker 1: which is leaning to the running game, be a little

646
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Speaker 1: more ball control and ball centric and win that way.

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Speaker 1: Can I give you an idea here, because to me,

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Speaker 1: I think you you touched on it being able to

649
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Speaker 1: morph in to do different things, try different things. I

650
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Speaker 1: look at it and say, okay, let's get together as

651
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Speaker 1: an offensive staff and let's come up with something. I

652
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Speaker 1: think Sean Payton is a great example. He knew Drew

653
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Speaker 1: Brees with his play, declining, Okay, we're gonna start sprinkling

654
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Speaker 1: in a little more of this, Taysom Hill, because gives

655
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Speaker 1: defense a different look. We need more, we need more,

656
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Speaker 1: more weapons, we need we just need more juice. So

657
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Speaker 1: we can do that creatively. And everybody has it within him,

658
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Speaker 1: Like if you're the Tampa Bay, I'd be sitting there going,

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Speaker 1: all right, guys, let's put it all on the board

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Speaker 1: this week. Let's look at it. What if we play

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Speaker 1: with six offensive linemen for twenty snaps this week? What

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Speaker 1: what if we got what if we line up and

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Speaker 1: play more, you know, we play thirteen personnel this week?

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Speaker 1: What if we do more split back stuff? Like, we've

665
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Speaker 1: got to put in something to try and juice this

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Speaker 1: up a little bit and get the run game going.

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Speaker 1: I gave you the run stats. They've got to get

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Speaker 1: the run game going. So there's different ways you can

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Speaker 1: do that. And and to me, I look at Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle was last year the year before they

671
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Speaker 1: used they put Fan used him as a tight end

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Speaker 1: and just said we're gonna roll with six offensive lineman

673
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Speaker 1: a bunch. That's what I mean that's what the new

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Speaker 1: ale Th things have done for years. I mean they've

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Speaker 1: done they've done it for years. They make no balls

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Speaker 1: about it. As six guy, the tight end cam blocks

677
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Speaker 1: are rather than ask him to do something that he's

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Speaker 1: not good at, put in a lineman in for the

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Speaker 1: third episode tackling, we're running the ball. We'll do enough

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Speaker 1: play action passes and match protection. We out to keep

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Speaker 1: you off of our set. But which their team's kind

682
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Speaker 1: of built for that. When you think about a guy

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Speaker 1: like Mike Evans just max protect keep men take some

684
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Speaker 1: shots with him. They can do that. They like, they

685
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Speaker 1: can do that, and I think what they run the

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Speaker 1: risk of the they're kind of like a video game

687
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Speaker 1: now where they have all these weapons and they want

688
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Speaker 1: to do all this different stuff and they're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure it out, and I just think it's very very

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Speaker 1: difficult and challenging for them to be able to to

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Speaker 1: to pull it off. And so I do want to

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Speaker 1: see them change. I do want to see them leaning

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Speaker 1: into the running game and put Ronald Jones let him

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Speaker 1: be the wildcat. I mean, you can justasch some other

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Speaker 1: things like that, you have to do some other stuff,

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Speaker 1: but DJ it also goes back to our point we

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Speaker 1: said this last week, we talked about the quarterback man.

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Speaker 1: When your quarterback is a statue s quarterback and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't offer the ability for YouTube not only run the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but you can't even do the bootleg game. You can't

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Speaker 1: you can't change the launch point. Um, there's nothing you

702
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Speaker 1: can do to throw off the defense in terms of

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Speaker 1: how they blitch you, how they attack your protections. Nothing

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Speaker 1: because they never see it on tape. They never see

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady boot eg like Jared Golf with the rams,

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Speaker 1: you at least have to account for. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of sprint outs last night with Jared Golf. Just get

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Speaker 1: them out of there, get get them out. It changes

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Speaker 1: the thing. And so they're very very limited with what

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Speaker 1: they can do. And so huge challenge for buying left

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Speaker 1: which Bruce arians Tom Brady. They have to get on

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Speaker 1: board and I like your they have to get in

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Speaker 1: the room and get on the board. What can we

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Speaker 1: do with the pieces that we have all right? How

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Speaker 1: how can we give our team the best chance of

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Speaker 1: winning each and every week? And I think they thought

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Speaker 1: that they could do the Kansas City Chief thing and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna outscorm or whatever. But it's different man with

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's forty three and he's not the young, vibrant

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Speaker 1: Pat Mahome. Patrick Mahomes out there running around making it happen.

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Speaker 1: Even when the play call is wrong, he can make

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Speaker 1: it right, no doubt. Um, all right, let's switch gears

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Speaker 1: here quick. Uh, what's you want to touch on Justin Fields?

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts there? What we saw from him against Indiana?

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Speaker 1: You know, I look, I love the fact that Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields struggled in the game. And the reason why is because, look,

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Speaker 1: it had been very, very easy for him early in

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Speaker 1: the year. We've seen them rip and down the field,

729
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Speaker 1: but we hadn't seen the quarterback struggle. And I think

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Speaker 1: we're seeing this obviously in the league. How do you

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks handle struggles? How do they perform after they

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Speaker 1: have a turnover or two or three? And what it's

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Speaker 1: all from Indiana is any end of did some creative stuff.

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Speaker 1: That is really what they do in the league. They

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Speaker 1: did a lot of simulated pressures, so they bring forward,

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Speaker 1: but that fourth rushing can come from the second level.

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Speaker 1: They dropped max like maximum in the cover, so there's

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Speaker 1: seven defenders in the coverage and what they're doing. They're

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Speaker 1: playing games with your quarterback, canny determine where the hole is.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like being um David buster. Where

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Speaker 1: where is it coming from? Where who's coming? Where is

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Speaker 1: it coming from? And can I figure it out quick

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Speaker 1: enough to get the ball out in timely situations. You've

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Speaker 1: pointed us out about justin fields. When he's not able

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Speaker 1: to throw on time, he can get into trouble trying

746
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Speaker 1: to find a second and third read, and the whackam

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Speaker 1: mole defense that Indiana was doing was making it hard

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Speaker 1: for him to find his initial read. And as he

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Speaker 1: held onto the ball longer, the mistakes began to happen

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Speaker 1: because naturally you're high end quarterback, you're trying to do

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Speaker 1: too much and the mistakes happen. And so it was

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Speaker 1: a good test. It was it was a thing that uh,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, we saw l s U did

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Speaker 1: some of these taxtices against Trevor Lawrence last year and

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Speaker 1: kind of befotoed him a little bit because it is

756
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Speaker 1: very complex to kind of figure out who's coming. And

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Speaker 1: I think we saw that from him. That said, I

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Speaker 1: will say my opinion doesn't change on him because what

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Speaker 1: I like about how he responded. I saw the competitor

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Speaker 1: still continue to compete. I saw the athleticism and the

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00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: creativity with his legs stand out more. And look, I

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Speaker 1: saw him acknowledge on the sideline who have a tough

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Speaker 1: day to day. But I didn't see him completely fall apart.

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Speaker 1: And I think those are the things that you look for.

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Speaker 1: Are they gonna fall apart during those difficult moments? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was, you know, just some

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Speaker 1: of those issues that you had. When he gets one one,

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Speaker 1: if one's not there, hold the ball. Then you saw

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Speaker 1: him just kind of force things. So I get all

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Speaker 1: all of it comes back to the same thing as

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Speaker 1: my My only concern with him really just kind of vision,

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Speaker 1: you know, just his overall vision. He kee's big, strong,

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Speaker 1: he's accurate, when everything lines up clean, he can he

774
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Speaker 1: can extend places. He's phenomenal in terms of being able

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Speaker 1: to escape and make things happen, which I love. We

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Speaker 1: just talked about how limiting it can be when you

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Speaker 1: don't have a guy that can do that. He gives

778
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Speaker 1: you all that, But to me, I I still think

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is kind of he's over here, and I

780
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Speaker 1: think I look at what's going on with Justin Fields,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still looking at him with Trey Lance and

782
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: now Zack Wilson, like those guys. I'm trying to sort

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00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: through those guys right now. Yeah, well I can, I can.

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Speaker 1: I can see that, and I think I'm trying to

785
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Speaker 1: figure this out without without it coming off wrong. I

786
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Speaker 1: think here's what everyone can benefit when you're thinking about

787
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Speaker 1: justin fields and even trade lance. Trade lance is a

788
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: little different than Justin Fields, but I think for Justin Field,

789
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Speaker 1: what I would do if I'm a team considering justin fields,

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Speaker 1: I am looking at Josh Allen plus in terms of

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: building an offense in the game plan, because Josh Allen

792
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: can get stuck when the initial read isn't there. But

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Speaker 1: what the Buffalo Bills have done over a three year period,

794
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: they figured out ways to build an offense that really

795
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Speaker 1: reduces those instances. They surrounded him with talented weapons, they

796
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Speaker 1: can picture, They've leaned into the running game, uh, the

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Speaker 1: quarterback design run doing some of those things. I think

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Speaker 1: the exact way that the Buffalo Bills played with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: I think that's your starting point for how you build

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Speaker 1: out your your your plan for getting justin Fields onto

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Speaker 1: the field and succeeding. I think he has a little

802
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: more than Josh Fields, but I think that's the starting

803
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Speaker 1: point in terms of, Okay, how can we build this

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Speaker 1: out to enable him to have a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 1: success very very early in his career. Yeah, I mean

806
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: the challenges, I mean, I don't know that he's really

807
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: gonna see, you know, another defense that can give him

808
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: any type of trouble until he gets the playoff. So

809
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: and that's the challenge. There's unique challenges this year because

810
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: you've got b y U who you know, the schedule

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Speaker 1: is not very good. You've got Trey Lance who played

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Speaker 1: one game. You know, Trevor Lawrence, um is the A

813
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Speaker 1: C C is not great. He's he you know, missing

814
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Speaker 1: a Notre Dame game, which would have been the great

815
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Speaker 1: opportunity to see him against against that defense. Um. You know,

816
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence, I'm I'm anxured to see the numbers

817
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: and well, we'll get a chance as we go towards

818
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: the draft to break all the stuff down from the

819
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: film and the numbers. But I've heard some stuff people

820
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Speaker 1: that are really starting to do the analytics on Trevor

821
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Speaker 1: Lawrence that the concern there is like a higher percentage

822
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Speaker 1: of throws inside five yards of like anybody out there,

823
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Speaker 1: you know, at least in this draft class, like a

824
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: high percentage of bubbles. So you gotta cut through all

825
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: that stuff to be able to evaluate him. And we've

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00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: seen the good stuff down the field as well. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's gonna be these unique little challenges

828
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Speaker 1: and questions that we got to get answered on all

829
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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. But you know what makes it okay? So

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Speaker 1: you know, we live in the comparison business, and I

831
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: think the greatest thing that has happened when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the evaluation of Trevor Lawrence. And I don't want

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00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: people to overreact, but Justin Herbert's success to me makes

834
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Speaker 1: it very makes it easier for me to do the

835
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Speaker 1: full evaluation on Trevor Lawrence because DJ proud of Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert succeeding. We had had a tough time finding a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that was six six or taller. Half success in

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00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the league like Joe Flacco would be there. But I

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Speaker 1: couldn't make the comparison with Trevor Lawrence and Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: because their games are different. And when I look at

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert play on Sundays, I can look at Trevor

842
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Speaker 1: Lawrences to say, yeah, that worked. And I can say

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Speaker 1: that while acknowledging Trevor Lawrence is more talented, I guess

844
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Speaker 1: in theory than Justin Herbert. But I think now you

845
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: have a more a clear blueprint for Trevor Lawrence. I

846
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: think before when we're speculating, because people were throwing out

847
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: there like hey, John Elway and Andrew Luck or whatever,

848
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't think Trevor Lawrence plays like that. I don't

849
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: think he plays like Andrew Luck. I don't think he

850
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: does that. And so I was worried about running the

851
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: risk of not mis evaluating him, but not categorizing him

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00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: in the right facet. And so you think you're getting

853
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: one thing when he shows up, he's actually something else.

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00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: And I think what Justin Herbert's emergence has done has

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00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: given us a blueprint for how to play with Trevor Lawrence. Yeah,

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00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: and I think I thought you were going to go

857
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: to the offense, you know that Oregon offense. It was

858
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: being able to avoid scouting the offense and scout the

859
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: player because it's not his fault. They were you know,

860
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: they didn't really cut him loose in Oregon UM with

861
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: the way they played um and what Trevor Lawrence, you know,

862
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: you can say, Okay, it's a lot of these underneath stuff,

863
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: quick hitters, screens, tunnel screens, all that stuff bubbles, but

864
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: that's not his that's not his fault. And he's got

865
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: the double bonus because he's got the comparison of Herbert

866
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: with the size and then he's got Deshaun Watson coming

867
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: out of the same system. So you've got two guys

868
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: who had a lot of success. That boats very well

869
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, because the predictive analysis, right, So

870
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: you're like looking at Justin Herban, You're you're checking off

871
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: those things and we'll see at the combin because he's

872
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna test well. And look, just Herbert was a pretty

873
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: good athlete. We knew it was a good athlete, being

874
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: a three sports standout in high school and those things.

875
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence can run the ball and do those things. Uh,

876
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: he's obviously smart as a whip because those around him,

877
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how he commands the offense and how

878
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: uh how smart he is when it comes to his football.

879
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Like you and then the leadership ability that it displayed

880
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: not only on the field but throughout this offseason, really

881
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: stepping into and embracing being the face of the franchise

882
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: down at Clemson. I think that bowls will. And so

883
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: the one thing that I would say Herbert in terms

884
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: of the evaluation that may have helped him Herbert being

885
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: a senior being able to go to the Senior Bowl,

886
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: um even though we didn't really get the full battery

887
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: because we didn't really see a pro day and and

888
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: those things. Those extra things kind of helped him. We

889
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: won't get that benefit with Trevor Lawrence. We know he's

890
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna be number one, but we won't get that benefit

891
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: in terms of just projecting fully what he's going to

892
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: be at the next level. Yeah, and I think we

893
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: have to change our mindset with these guys over the

894
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: last couple of years because we say they're gonna test well.

895
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: These top quarterbacks don't test anymore. Marjacks didn't run a forty,

896
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow didn't do anything like they don't do anything no,

897
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: And I think of all the positions, I think that's

898
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: one position that you can kind of be like, I'm

899
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: okay with but I think it requires you to spend

900
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: a lot more time, and I think the beauty of

901
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: it is now the technology gives you more time with

902
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: zoom calls and all that other stuff. Before we used

903
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: to talk about the business. Now, when you're a coach

904
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: um and evaluated, you can get these guys on three

905
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: or four zooms and begin to talk to them and

906
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: put them on the board and really get a feel

907
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: for how they are and track their progress over the

908
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: course of the all season with the things that you

909
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: asked them to brush up on and so um, I

910
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: think by the end of it will will be good.

911
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: What kind of see where he is, here's my here's

912
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: my assignment. I'm gonna give myself here so I can

913
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: get this. But by the next week or two, I'm

914
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna try and tap into some sources and

915
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can hunt down GPS numbers

916
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: on Lawrence and feel what what do you who do

917
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: you think right now? If I would let's just put

918
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: it out there right now, who do you think we'll

919
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: have to have the faster number on the GPS. I

920
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: think Justin Fields would have the faster and I don't know,

921
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm kind of curious to see what

922
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: Lawrence was running against Ohio State. That's a lot of

923
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: speed on that field. He wold run away from everybody.

924
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: And the size too, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,

925
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: he's sneaky. He gives up. He gets up so much

926
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: ground so quickly with that stride. Yeah, that's a going.

927
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: But with DJ, the funny thing with these guys that

928
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: they've always been linked one and two forever. We saw

929
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: him up at the opening, I mean forever. And you

930
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: know what's so funny about about the opening and how

931
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: things change during that, like if we go through it.

932
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: Um Justin Fields was working with Jared Gerald Johnson who

933
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 1: was coaching now with the Indianapolis Coast And what UM

934
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: j J was doing is he was using what they

935
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: call the pure progression um read system. And so it's

936
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily one to three. It's kind of like the

937
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: way some NFL routes are. It kind of goes from

938
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: east to west or west to east, and the receiver

939
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: just kind of come into your line in sight, like

940
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: you look left and it just kind of almost like

941
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: if you think about the sprinkler in your yard. It

942
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: just like that Justin Fields crushed that that kind of

943
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: stuff pure progressive reads. Hey give me a deep comeback

944
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: with a deep over with a dig coming on the

945
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: back side, so it's left for comeback, deep over bang.

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: To my d killed Trevor Lawrence didn't excel in that

947
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: as much. And when he would get stuck, his check

948
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: down was the deep ball, and then and and and

949
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: like he gets I'm a throw it down the film

950
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: through it over the top of the defense. He would

951
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: really rely on the talent. And then you see him

952
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: in Clemson and you see him kind of progress and

953
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: do a little bit more so. To me, man, it's

954
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating with all these quarterbacks when we get

955
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: them up under the hood and really dig into him

956
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: and then not only doing that, but then when we

957
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: finally are able to unwrap the Christmas gifts and see

958
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: them play at the next level and how they performed,

959
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: because I think we've been pleasantly surprised by Joe Burrow,

960
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, those guys. I kind of have to put

961
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: an aster now with two a tong about lot because

962
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: what they did the other day completely trying to make

963
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: that one, I don't even know how to make sense

964
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: of it. So it's a it's a different deal, all right. Well,

965
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Speaker 1: we do have another episode coming this week. I think

966
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: in some years past we've only done two uh during

967
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week, but we're gonna give you three and uh.

968
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Speaker 1: The upisode we've got coming up next is gonna be

969
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Bucky's conversation with his good friend Trent Dilfer, Our good

970
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: friend Trent Dilfer, who I believe is his His high

971
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: school team is still still playing. I think there are

972
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: in the state championship. So I want to I want

973
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: to pick his brand a little bit because this is

974
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: his second year and he kind of figured it all out.

975
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: They're doing a really really good job there in the

976
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: state title game, um, and it's been great, and so

977
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to him about what he's

978
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: doing personally. But also because he knows all these young quarterbacks,

979
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: the ones that we're talking about fields Trevor Lawrence and

980
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, but then also the young guys that are playing,

981
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: from Joe Burrow to Justin Herbert to to a tong

982
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: about Lot. It just what he seems from those guys

983
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: and how they are progressing in his mind. So be

984
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: on the lookout for that one that will be up

985
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving here, all right, that's gonna do it for

986
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: us today. Thank you guys so much for hanging with us.

987
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: It's been fun. Don't forget. Get you some ham as

988
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: well done. It's not just a Turkey holiday here, get

989
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: get get on that honey, big tam. Nothing wrong with that.

990
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us. He's Bucky Brooks.

991
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Thanks for listening. To Move the Sticks

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