Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to a special edition of All the Smoke. Man, Jack,
Speaker 1: this this man right here got its started two thousand nineteen. Man,
Speaker 1: what did us to honor of being our first guest?
Speaker 1: Now we are hundred and fifty hundreds, close to hundred
Speaker 1: fifty episodes in and decided to come back around? But Jack,
Speaker 1: since you uh executive produced this play talking about who
Speaker 1: our guest is and what he's doing with us now
Speaker 1: well from being first guest on All the Smoke, you know,
Speaker 1: our war winning first guests. Um, now my brother has
Speaker 1: has ventured off, you know, he went back to school
Speaker 1: and he's taken found another past for us, second love,
Speaker 1: which is golf. And it was only right for me
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, this is our brother. Who else has
Speaker 1: been a trend set in the golf world bringing it
Speaker 1: to the HBU, bringing light to the HBU and to
Speaker 1: young black man to golf other than my brother JEREDD. Smith.
Speaker 1: We can get the inside from him at least one
Speaker 1: the months to check it would bring him into the family.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great idea and I brought
Speaker 1: it to Brian and Gerald and Jerald was down with it.
Speaker 1: So we helped love to have him back and happen
Speaker 1: to having back and welcome him to the family. My brother,
Speaker 1: Gerald Smith, appreciatelcome to the show. Welcome to the Showtime
Speaker 1: Basketball Family. Yes, sir, Yes, sir, welcome my brother. Well,
Speaker 1: let's get to it, man, what is college life like
Speaker 1: for someone of yourself who experienced, you know, straight out
Speaker 1: of high school to the NBA, a decorated NBA career,
Speaker 1: someone who was kind of ahead of their time. Will
Speaker 1: touch on that a little bit later, but now you've
Speaker 1: kind of not really humbled yourself, but just kind of
Speaker 1: taking a step back to get your education and you
Speaker 1: found your second passion, which is golf. So what has
Speaker 1: it been like for you these past year or so? Man,
Speaker 1: It's been, Uh, it's been a learning experience all around,
Speaker 1: you know, from competitive standpoint, from something were so used
Speaker 1: to doing and being athletic, and you know, it's being
Speaker 1: in that competitive environment. I'm always at the beginning, I'm
Speaker 1: in the learning processes of Uh, from school standpoint, I
Speaker 1: was never really that, you know, the kid to be
Speaker 1: academically you know there for school, having you know, growing
Speaker 1: up with disabilities and whatnot, and uh, it was for me,
Speaker 1: it was always about being at school, being in the hallways,
Speaker 1: messed with the girls, keeping with the homies, you know
Speaker 1: fact you know being that for me, I used to
Speaker 1: never you know, cut school because cool is like the
Speaker 1: place to be. That's what all the homies was. That,
Speaker 1: That's what all the able was. It's just never. It
Speaker 1: was just never the fact that I was in class.
Speaker 1: But now, you know, looking at it from a different perspective,
Speaker 1: going back as a thirty six year old man, um,
Speaker 1: it gives you. It gives you a totally different respect
Speaker 1: for you know, the people who were able to consistently
Speaker 1: be there, uh mentally as well as physically, to perform
Speaker 1: at those levels and still be able to you know,
Speaker 1: do the schoolwork or whatnot. I truly commended them, was
Speaker 1: commended you know, the players that I play with and
Speaker 1: watching other kids around campus and how they go about
Speaker 1: their business and whatnot. It's, uh, it's inspired for me
Speaker 1: so the whole you know, academic side, I felt ex side,
Speaker 1: it's been just a learning experience and uh I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you know, I learned so much from a younger
Speaker 1: generation about how they think, what they you know, how
Speaker 1: they look at the world. And uh, I think we
Speaker 1: don't do that enough for a lot of older you know,
Speaker 1: as we get older, we just think we know everything
Speaker 1: because we've been through so many different experiences and we, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, accumulate everybody's experiences at the same everybody feels
Speaker 1: a certain way the same, you know, And it's not
Speaker 1: like that for a lot of people today, especially for
Speaker 1: younger generations, with technology and the way sensitivity is wrong.
Speaker 1: But then whether it be sports or just you know,
Speaker 1: pure humanity, learning about mental health and all these different
Speaker 1: issues that we didn't know about before, and uh, it
Speaker 1: really gives you an insight and uh it really blows
Speaker 1: your mind when you sit back and listen to him.
Speaker 1: So you're in the middle of your second semester in
Speaker 1: North Carolina, A and T. How did going back to
Speaker 1: college happen? You know? I mean, I think you speak
Speaker 1: for me and Jack two, like we wasn't really going
Speaker 1: to school for school, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: now you're literally going back to all of you're getting
Speaker 1: a chance to play golf, which will touch on, but
Speaker 1: how did going back to school actually come about? So
Speaker 1: one of our one of our peers we played against
Speaker 1: for for a long time Hall of Fame and Reyal.
Speaker 1: We went on a golf trip and by didn't need
Speaker 1: to want his golf weekends and and d R and
Speaker 1: you know that our golf schedule was predicated around his
Speaker 1: class schedule or his class requirements or and even then
Speaker 1: he would still get up at six in the morning
Speaker 1: and read and do uh and do essays and papers.
Speaker 1: And one day we were in in between the breaks
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that at the time what he
Speaker 1: was doing. And I kept seeing him going at his computer.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, what're you doing, bro? Like
Speaker 1: why you keep going to the computer? Like left? He was,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like got work to do. He would
Speaker 1: always say, I got worked, I got work to do.
Speaker 1: And then he went in depth about going back to
Speaker 1: school and getting his masters, and I was like, you're
Speaker 1: getting your masters? He was like yeah. And he he
Speaker 1: really enlightened me on, you know, self preservation and and
Speaker 1: continuously to to grow as a person and try to
Speaker 1: better yourself persistently and challenge yourself, not only athletically what
Speaker 1: you can do, which we been known to do against
Speaker 1: other people, and just competitive environments, but challenge yourself against
Speaker 1: your appears academically as well. And when he started, you know,
Speaker 1: started making so much sense to me, or continuously to
Speaker 1: grow continuously the better because you've got a long life
Speaker 1: live outside of sports in general, and you really inspired me.
Speaker 1: He really took me on the roller coaster of emotions
Speaker 1: of you know, where I was, where I've been to,
Speaker 1: where I planned to go, where I wanted to be
Speaker 1: as a person, and uh, it really it really hit
Speaker 1: home for me. So he was the person who really
Speaker 1: inspired me to go to school, and uh, he just
Speaker 1: changed my home mentality on who I am as a
Speaker 1: person and and the person that I can live up to,
Speaker 1: opposing what everybody else's experiences of me has been. Because
Speaker 1: you know, like we all know, people judge you off
Speaker 1: that hour hour and a half. They get to see
Speaker 1: you just performer, which you're really good at, not express
Speaker 1: yourself to to the magnitude to understanding who you really are,
Speaker 1: opposed the perceptions of everybody else talking about you and
Speaker 1: just talking trying to not only talk about the game,
Speaker 1: but talking about your personality, talking about who you are,
Speaker 1: the type of person you are, and you never really
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to to come back and you know,
Speaker 1: express who you are until now when we have these
Speaker 1: platforms like this. And I think that's why I think
Speaker 1: it's really important, because somebody's sitting here telling you hours
Speaker 1: and hours and hours what type of person this person is,
Speaker 1: what type of uh, what his personality is? All of
Speaker 1: this just because of the judgmental part of the hour
Speaker 1: and a half that you do see me performing and
Speaker 1: what I'm actually good at, you know, and again we
Speaker 1: don't give that opportunity to express ourselves in that way. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's been an amazing experience, you know, uh, getting no
Speaker 1: ray and really continuously it's almost like, uh, his energy
Speaker 1: is almost like a drug. I trying to calm, you know,
Speaker 1: text him every day and just to hear the almost
Speaker 1: like you know how old people say the good word
Speaker 1: and you go the word of the day. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he it's unbelieved, it's not stop. So I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. From your first semester, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You lived on campus, right, yeah, tell us what that
Speaker 1: was like. Someone who again made plenty of money, big houses,
Speaker 1: used to certain things, and you took yourself back to
Speaker 1: a place where college students live and I know when
Speaker 1: I was in college, I was broke as fuck. So
Speaker 1: what was it like being being back on campus and
Speaker 1: kind of being in that college environment. Lived on campus.
Speaker 1: I wasn't right around hot the airbnb right around the corner,
Speaker 1: but it was I was on campus. But as gonna say,
Speaker 1: but it was it was. It was fun because you know,
Speaker 1: against seeing seeing the younger generation and how they react
Speaker 1: to me. And at the same time, I still freshman.
Speaker 1: A lot of these a lot of these you know,
Speaker 1: many women, juniors and seniors and upper classmen and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, the first day I'm looking for
Speaker 1: buildings and when I got you know what, I'm showing
Speaker 1: me around and I want to take pictures and taking
Speaker 1: me to the bookstore and not it was it was
Speaker 1: dope man. Going to the homecoming football games, the Step show. Uh.
Speaker 1: It really gave me, you know, a really great feeling
Speaker 1: and inspired feeling because I never said, I've never been
Speaker 1: in that many IVE never been around that many black people.
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, you know, a supportive you know,
Speaker 1: love care, you know, without being on fights and nothing
Speaker 1: breaking out, you know what I mean. It was real love,
Speaker 1: real genuine people you know, it's been I met I
Speaker 1: went to homecoming and I met women who crossed in
Speaker 1: their lives together as Greek sisters and and been doing
Speaker 1: this since sixty four and continues to come to homecoming
Speaker 1: every single year like they play space. They got their
Speaker 1: partners did they do it every year and you know
Speaker 1: they got the other, you know. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: it's other women from different sororities who do the same thing,
Speaker 1: and when they see each other not because even though
Speaker 1: they know the one is the delta, one is at
Speaker 1: a k a one is do whatever whatever, they all
Speaker 1: show love to one another. You know, it's no, it's no,
Speaker 1: oh you listen, you that or you know, it's none
Speaker 1: of that. It's like, oh, hey, Harold, what's up? What's
Speaker 1: going to a house? Such a sense, it's it's like
Speaker 1: it's so much bigger than that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's a it's an amazing feeling
Speaker 1: because again, when you coming from the situations we come from,
Speaker 1: the societies that we come from, it's not always ain't
Speaker 1: always like that. We all know that, and uh, but
Speaker 1: to to have that and people to embrace me, to
Speaker 1: be a part of that. It's uh, it was amazing
Speaker 1: and my our shooting is doc I'm shooting a documentary
Speaker 1: about it, and and that you're gonna see this. This woman,
Speaker 1: she's really expressed that her love for a and t
Speaker 1: you know, she's like, oh, she heard about me coming
Speaker 1: to school whatever whatever, and everybody was talking about how
Speaker 1: it would be great for the school, whatever, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: and she was like, no, the school would be great
Speaker 1: for him. You know what I'm saying, Like the love
Speaker 1: and impact that we have as as Aggies and and
Speaker 1: the foundation we built and the way we carry ourselves,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, she really made it a point
Speaker 1: for me to understand, like, whatever you do from going
Speaker 1: here on out, you're always gonna be remembered as an
Speaker 1: acting And um, that really hit home for me because
Speaker 1: it was like a place from an acceptance, you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: somebody who who was trying to let some let me
Speaker 1: know that the foundation that she was a part of
Speaker 1: and she helped build and so many people before her
Speaker 1: and after you know, you're part of that now. So
Speaker 1: all of that comes with the responsibility of taking care
Speaker 1: of all of us when you look at it and
Speaker 1: just about you once again and Uh. For me, that's
Speaker 1: that's very important compared to Okay, you want the NBA Championship,
Speaker 1: you got all kinds of NBA accolades. What is getting
Speaker 1: a four point old mess up? To man? That's like
Speaker 1: for me, I mean again, I've always had the talent
Speaker 1: to do pretty much any and everything. So even like
Speaker 1: you know, people I've played on you know, on teams
Speaker 1: with them, tell you probably you know more than anybody,
Speaker 1: you can see me doing something like this, going into
Speaker 1: another field and doing and being um, you know, someone
Speaker 1: successful at it or not as uh, it's not being
Speaker 1: as hard as you know, compared to everybody else, because
Speaker 1: I've been naturally good at you know, athletically everything. But
Speaker 1: for the four point oh and that that that's like, uh,
Speaker 1: I tell anybody you know, I wouldn't change my championships
Speaker 1: in it, but I get my six man for for
Speaker 1: sure because I never expected now for for for real.
Speaker 1: Because for me, like you know, getting four point out.
Speaker 1: When I used to walk around school, I see the
Speaker 1: kids getting four point dollars, it was just like and
Speaker 1: I know me, I was just not even on that level.
Speaker 1: Over here trying to read a page and the words
Speaker 1: scattered in my head looking at math alphabet. Now it's
Speaker 1: it lost me. So school is definitely not my thing.
Speaker 1: But now as you know, as you mature, you understand
Speaker 1: what your goals are and why you do certain things
Speaker 1: and what you're doing it for. It gives you a
Speaker 1: more perspective and better insight. When I was in school
Speaker 1: back in the day, I just wanted to go to
Speaker 1: the gym. I just wanted to get out of there
Speaker 1: and go talk to the homies or whatever. I had
Speaker 1: so many other things going on. Now that I'm making
Speaker 1: a priority and I know why I'm doing it, Like man,
Speaker 1: my like my daughters be sending to me. They they
Speaker 1: tested and we'll be sending it back and forth and
Speaker 1: can't like literally competing with my kids. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it's like it's great because I can
Speaker 1: see how engaged my kids are now when I here
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, when their mothers go to the
Speaker 1: meetings and stuff, they tell them that they see the
Speaker 1: change in my in my in my even in my kids.
Speaker 1: Because I can be an inspiration and a level I'd
Speaker 1: be more of a level plan for they can relate
Speaker 1: to me now opposed to me just being their dad
Speaker 1: or being a professional basketball player that somebody everybody else
Speaker 1: treats so holy or Gali or think of whatever. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, having that much more of a
Speaker 1: uh a perspective of somebody than just a random person,
Speaker 1: you know, walking down the streets. So when they hear
Speaker 1: me talk about school, and I can understand and relate
Speaker 1: the problems that they go through at times, and you know,
Speaker 1: um and and just being so schooling so time consuming.
Speaker 1: I can relate to them and they can relate to me.
Speaker 1: So it gives us more of, you know, other things
Speaker 1: to talk about opposed just just being that adult parent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that that that goes into my next quest saying, no,
Speaker 1: how was it being his father and a student at
Speaker 1: the same time. Man, It's it's fun, bro, Like real talk, Like, um,
Speaker 1: I gotta it's crazy, real talk. I gotta intro the
Speaker 1: algebra and trigge. Right, this is my first math class
Speaker 1: and twenty years bro, why is my thirteen year old
Speaker 1: daughter learning the same stuff? Fraction? Bro? I got a tutor,
Speaker 1: So I had to get a tutor for this class, right,
Speaker 1: And it just so happened my daughter needed a tutor.
Speaker 1: So the guy that I had the guy, that's my tutor.
Speaker 1: Now he's my daughter's tutor. So he's like, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. I was like, well, he's like,
Speaker 1: I was just doing this with your daughter yesterday because
Speaker 1: my daughter's class mondays Tuesdays. I was like, like, you
Speaker 1: even tell me that, But it's fun know because I
Speaker 1: did to go again, I could have those conversations, but
Speaker 1: he maybe what you think of this for me? Like
Speaker 1: how did you how did you work out with this?
Speaker 1: And she'll well go back and forth and the in
Speaker 1: that dialogue for her, I could see her light up.
Speaker 1: I can see it like, oh wow, like we really
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. And that's I think
Speaker 1: that's the part for me. Man, That's that's the best
Speaker 1: part about it, because again I could continuously inspire my kids,
Speaker 1: and uh obviously want inspire many kids as possible, but
Speaker 1: it definitely it always hits home and you know you
Speaker 1: can inspire your kids. You see your kids with that
Speaker 1: lightly face. I mean math is different though. I mean
Speaker 1: obviously the twins or thirteen other in seventh grade two,
Speaker 1: but I stopped knowing how to do their ship in
Speaker 1: like third or fourth grade. I'm like there's no remains
Speaker 1: no more. How do y'all divide? Like? There's math is
Speaker 1: way different from within when we was in school. For sure,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know it then, damn shot don't
Speaker 1: know it now you just know how to count that
Speaker 1: ship up. That ship as bad as your track playing playing.
Speaker 1: Uh fortunate enough to play Division one golf. Now where
Speaker 1: did your passion and love for golf first starting? Starting
Speaker 1: to Houston age time? Uh, Charlotte Lewis another NBA brothers
Speaker 1: we uh he had his first foundation event was a
Speaker 1: golf event. So I go out there, Me, Steve Francis,
Speaker 1: all these dudes, who John Lucas, We all go out there.
Speaker 1: I ain't at the time. I ain't play golf. So
Speaker 1: he's just riding around on the carts, pulling up on groups,
Speaker 1: you know, speaking kissing sound like Jack said, but smothly,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, again, I ain't play golf. So
Speaker 1: I was talking ship. Everybody hitting the ball and it
Speaker 1: was some people hooking it left right, all that stop right.
Speaker 1: So we're barely hitting the ball and I pull up
Speaker 1: on Moses and the low group rescipiece and uh, big Moses.
Speaker 1: He out there is like man don't feel like you're
Speaker 1: talking all this ship come in this book. So you
Speaker 1: know me, I gotta I gotta ultimately respect for Hall
Speaker 1: of Famous, like I don't you know when they asked
Speaker 1: me to tell me to do so, I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's got get water like I got you, like ship,
Speaker 1: you earned that. I'm sure I was. I felt like
Speaker 1: a rookie around them, and uh so he's like, young fella,
Speaker 1: come into the ball. I'm like, man, Ship, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to all this. I don't even not do this ship,
Speaker 1: but I know I don't athletic enough there and I
Speaker 1: see somebody do it, I can do it. So he
Speaker 1: showed me how to hold the club. I'm watching the
Speaker 1: first dude go he hit in the woods. I watched
Speaker 1: a second dude, tho he hit it in the woods.
Speaker 1: Third dude could barely hit. Big Moses put it out
Speaker 1: there like two fifty. So I get up there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right that I know what I'm doing. And I
Speaker 1: had the bitch three on it. They always got a
Speaker 1: fairway and I first swim. So I though the club
Speaker 1: to Big Moses, like man, this ship is easy. Man,
Speaker 1: y'all asked like talking ship. After the car right, I'll
Speaker 1: put off whatever, thinking I would smooth like then like ship,
Speaker 1: what's up? Right? Pull back up with this group like
Speaker 1: an hour and a half later, because we you know,
Speaker 1: I was riding through the whole course or whatever, talking
Speaker 1: to people and whatnot. Yeah, I put back on the group. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't do it again. You can't do it again
Speaker 1: through the club. You just want to see it twice.
Speaker 1: But I could barely hit the ball, bro, I could
Speaker 1: barely hit the ball. I was hooked. After that, I
Speaker 1: was like, nah, I tried next one, next one I hit.
Speaker 1: That's what started going left, going right, doing everything everybody
Speaker 1: else was doing. I said, oh no, oh no, I
Speaker 1: gotta get this ship. After that, I've been up. You
Speaker 1: recently got a chance to play thirty six with m J.
Speaker 1: First of all, how did that happen? And then how
Speaker 1: did the day go? Man? So one of my um,
Speaker 1: one of my guys is uh you know black men
Speaker 1: name So. He from Jersey. He's an amazing painter. Actually,
Speaker 1: um he got a lot of dolt pieces. Um. But
Speaker 1: he he ended up hooking me up with a guy
Speaker 1: named David Storch out of his from Chicago. Just moved
Speaker 1: down here to North Paul Beach and him and MJ
Speaker 1: is real tight. It went back, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the Chicago days right close, and uh, I ended up
Speaker 1: playing and we played thirty six with Mike and it
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, it was it was it
Speaker 1: was everything that you thought was gonna be. But like
Speaker 1: to him actually being around Mike and he talking ship
Speaker 1: like that ship was like damn, like he really be
Speaker 1: going in and he went to tell you he was
Speaker 1: talking ship. He didn't talk ship, bro. And he nice though,
Speaker 1: he is he nice, nice, nice, nice, he nice. His
Speaker 1: short game is like one of the pros. He not.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this, I'm watching ship he doing. I'm like, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: like make like making ship like I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and I'm lucky, lucky for me. We kept up bed light,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So the people he bet
Speaker 1: it went in our group, they like these these like
Speaker 1: some some boorey pots. Yo. If I not from no
Speaker 1: golf bro, nuh uh nah saint that we sure though,
Speaker 1: But it was dope man, because she's like again like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just seen a global Mike man,
Speaker 1: like he you see him what he and his element
Speaker 1: was being competitive and everything, and he you know, it's
Speaker 1: just like and I thought about when I first seen him,
Speaker 1: I thought about the h I thought about something I said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he really got on Jordan, Like what else
Speaker 1: he's going in like it like it's as well, Bro,
Speaker 1: that's dope. I mean, obviously getting a chance to play
Speaker 1: with him is amazing. Is there anyone else on your
Speaker 1: bucket list you are you would like to play around with? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta get it in with Tiger Man for sure.
Speaker 1: Of course. That's that's that's the goal right there, that's
Speaker 1: the if I can you know what I mean, pick
Speaker 1: his brain on the sport. Obviously it's little well, I
Speaker 1: would to say, obviously to the golf world, but to
Speaker 1: me he's obviously rist ever, and you know, to learn
Speaker 1: from being able to learn from him from uh, I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure that he identifies itself as I know
Speaker 1: he's before it was like Galazia or something like that.
Speaker 1: But to get a perspective of the that um racism
Speaker 1: and in the game of golf as well as you know,
Speaker 1: picking his picking his brain about the actual sport and
Speaker 1: how to get better, um um, it would be a
Speaker 1: great you know, four hours I feel like, obviously he's
Speaker 1: again he's the greatest at way he's done, and he's
Speaker 1: overcame so many different barriers within the game. So it'd
Speaker 1: be great to pick his brain. The mental aspect of golf.
Speaker 1: I mean me, someone who just played this past weekend,
Speaker 1: UH is a motherfucker. How do you compare that mental
Speaker 1: uh to basketball? Um? I'm still working that out. Actually, man,
Speaker 1: It's like it's tough because like you can't you can't
Speaker 1: try harder, you know what I'm saying, Like any other sport,
Speaker 1: you gotta you can try harder. You can take you
Speaker 1: can play better defense, you grab a rebound, you could
Speaker 1: be scrapped if your shot ain't working, if you ain't
Speaker 1: finding the offensively know what I'm saying, and go off.
Speaker 1: The more you pressed the wars golf out. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's called fate and you don't. It's
Speaker 1: a mental you know, a mental game because every one
Speaker 1: is a lot like basketball, where you know, the only
Speaker 1: thing that's the same as really a set up. Really, Um,
Speaker 1: you get the ball, you can get a shot the ball,
Speaker 1: blow your feet above your feet, wind blowing ten miles
Speaker 1: an hour, twenty miles an hour, left right, you'd be
Speaker 1: uphill downhill. However, you know what I'm saying. In the basketball,
Speaker 1: we got you know, many four by fifty. You got
Speaker 1: the same spots that we can play in every night consistently.
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing that really changes the rings
Speaker 1: um sometimes it's a low colder in there, but not
Speaker 1: by much out there. Everything comes into play, so you
Speaker 1: and you gotta remember that, you know, mentally to stand
Speaker 1: in so many different elements that come into play with
Speaker 1: every shot and m you know, sometimes they say too
Speaker 1: much information isn't good for you. But if I know
Speaker 1: you know the hoop, if I know you shoot at
Speaker 1: this position, I'm trying to run you off that spot.
Speaker 1: But in golf, you're trying to get it to a
Speaker 1: certain spot as many times as you, Kennedy, because you
Speaker 1: know that's where you that's what you're good at, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And as an individual sport, it's
Speaker 1: hard because there's nobody else to rely on but yourself.
Speaker 1: So you gotta make it happen. And uh, it's just
Speaker 1: a mental challenge every every every round for me. I
Speaker 1: mean it's not it hasn't been, you know, It's just
Speaker 1: I haven't been consistent enough to be able to just
Speaker 1: bridge through the game. But even you know, even the pros,
Speaker 1: you know, they go out there and shoot sixty four
Speaker 1: sixty five, They're gonna walk in the clubhouse and said
Speaker 1: they should have set two and sixty three. It's just
Speaker 1: the game, obviously, you and Jack, you know, going straight
Speaker 1: to the league. I was someone who went to college
Speaker 1: and the majority of the time we don't have I
Speaker 1: say ninety eight percent of time, people like us, we
Speaker 1: don't have no money coming into college, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So that you got a booster off the
Speaker 1: rip like Daddy Day, I've ever see what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, he's seeing his jersey everywhere being sold at
Speaker 1: the store, but he ain't got money to get no food,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think this n
Speaker 1: IL thing is is a long time overdue, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad to see that the college athletes are are are
Speaker 1: definitely benefiting. What I think is even dope, though, is
Speaker 1: you're sharing the sugar, you know, I mean, like the
Speaker 1: ship is coming your way and you're opening doors up
Speaker 1: for your teammates, which is a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the goal. Man continuously um sharing it with with
Speaker 1: with my like mind to people and as well as
Speaker 1: to trying to build generational love for more black than minorities. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough it's a tough battle. But
Speaker 1: for something like this, you know, it should have it
Speaker 1: should have been because there's those difference from anybody else
Speaker 1: over seas being a professional and getting paid and all
Speaker 1: of that, and they're coming over here and being a
Speaker 1: top five pick and stop nothing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just another avenue to keep us
Speaker 1: in the dark and uh, people to get rich. Uh.
Speaker 1: Obviously not to mention the type of money you're making,
Speaker 1: but is it good money? Like if you're a regular
Speaker 1: college student right now, is it? Is it or the deals? Like, damn,
Speaker 1: it's some good bread for a college student. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: M sure it's a little bit more for me because um,
Speaker 1: just because I got so many followers and outreach when
Speaker 1: you do the analytics of it. Um, but it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's that. Yeah, it's good. I would say it's really
Speaker 1: good money for you know, somebody who's in college to
Speaker 1: be able to take care of what they need to
Speaker 1: take care of, live live, you know, and within moderation um.
Speaker 1: The probably some of the professors and whatnot wouldn't like
Speaker 1: it because they'd been making more than them and maybe
Speaker 1: somebody so. But from that's the point, that's what makes it.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it tough because we are already it's
Speaker 1: we already behind the a bot because we overvalue what
Speaker 1: we do. You know what I'm saying, The overvalue sports,
Speaker 1: and we have our value this uh entertainment so much
Speaker 1: as and we deem it so much more important as
Speaker 1: academics and some who's actually teaching your kids. You get
Speaker 1: somebody who's teaching your kids thirty as a as an
Speaker 1: accumulation over a year, thirty thousand dollars and more kids
Speaker 1: spend more time with your kids than you do. But
Speaker 1: you will spend a hundred thousand dollars on floor seats
Speaker 1: or around whatever, around the arena, Like that's ridiculous, Like
Speaker 1: we'll go buy jerseys and the papilia and everything else.
Speaker 1: But you rather, you know what I'm saying, you really
Speaker 1: think about it. That's that's what we value. And it's
Speaker 1: just this is that where it's at ain't gonna change either. Nope. Wow,
Speaker 1: So knowing everything you know now this is just a hypothetical,
Speaker 1: and knowing that you would still have a long NBA career,
Speaker 1: would you do college? Um, if you had a chance to,
Speaker 1: if you were a senior in high school, would you
Speaker 1: dump straight to the league again or would you around
Speaker 1: the college for a couple of years? First, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't strike to leave. Yeah, I was about to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: ain't no way, ain't no way. I wouldn't because honestly,
Speaker 1: like if you really think about it, like jack and
Speaker 1: go to school right now, Bro, he go to school
Speaker 1: and play whatever sport he wanted. But but basketball, you
Speaker 1: gotta go ability. You could do it literally whatever you
Speaker 1: wanted to do and bring that talent and then bring
Speaker 1: that notoriety to HBCU. Well, I was low key. I
Speaker 1: gotta I can't say the name, but I kind of
Speaker 1: gotta offer the coach to coach at HBCUE be like
Speaker 1: uh be like ice cube on higher learning in the dorm. Still, well,
Speaker 1: I just took a job at Jackson State. Uh my
Speaker 1: will my way? And yeah, I didn't know what you
Speaker 1: do because I thought you had. I thought it was
Speaker 1: saying before you have to have a degree, that's what
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, you know his ways right, you know
Speaker 1: around that, Yeah, sir, yeah, man, I um, I wish
Speaker 1: I was physically fit enough to go back to school
Speaker 1: and play a sport like football, play football in shape football?
Speaker 1: Okay we would you be offensive alignment, I'll be I'll
Speaker 1: be you know, I'll be a red zone receiver or
Speaker 1: a safety. Okay, I'm not. I keep going back and
Speaker 1: forth with it. I'll still at that size and wait,
Speaker 1: but it's about that time you gotta make a decision.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna do it. Oh you thought
Speaker 1: about going back and play football, Yeah, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1: You didn't play baseball growing up? Swish. Yeah, I played
Speaker 1: baseball football as Yeah, I think I think baseball would
Speaker 1: be dope. I ain't hit nothing, not any Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: once you see that Hunter mouth out fastball coming at
Speaker 1: your head or hit your d changes your whole life
Speaker 1: for sure. Recently made a splash the Jackson State flipping
Speaker 1: a number one recruit, Travis Travis Hunter from Florida State
Speaker 1: to j S. You do you see more athletes doing that?
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've seen a couple of since Travis,
Speaker 1: But do you see more in other sports as well
Speaker 1: as football? Um? Yeah, I think so the more you
Speaker 1: know UM basketball coaches and former professional NBA guys um
Speaker 1: started coming back and coaching HBCUs, I think you'll see
Speaker 1: a lot more. One thing I really have you you
Speaker 1: know for opinion, because he went to Memphis. You know,
Speaker 1: he's bringing so many young kids into into his system.
Speaker 1: He's got a great system, and he's got um, he
Speaker 1: got uh you know Mary brown Man Brown Yeah, like
Speaker 1: and she you know what I'm saying, Mike Miller, You've
Speaker 1: got real you got real guys lead guys in those positions.
Speaker 1: And I would like to see that more, you know
Speaker 1: again at the HBCUs and and to running that and
Speaker 1: and really building powerhouses within our own school systems. You know,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, for the education
Speaker 1: that ain't gonna be the same. They'll never be the
Speaker 1: same that you can get from hbcun A, p W I.
Speaker 1: I really don't care. Nobody says it's not gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's just a difference. Um. And on top of that
Speaker 1: coaching and that experience, you know what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: got you were seeing that letter from the greatest, like
Speaker 1: you think talk about the kid's going to Florida State,
Speaker 1: going to Jackson State. He's he's plays the position of
Speaker 1: the greatest person who ever played that position. M So
Speaker 1: why wouldn't he go there? Said like who can teach
Speaker 1: them better? Who when you still look at the football
Speaker 1: the young recruits and stuff like, why wouldn't they go
Speaker 1: play for the Hall of Fame. I was talking to
Speaker 1: every a couple of weeks ago, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he was getting into the job, trying to get in
Speaker 1: a position at Miami. I was just sitting there like,
Speaker 1: they they need five safety that was better than everybe
Speaker 1: three maybe two. You can't. You can't. And you sit
Speaker 1: here and look at the kids that that go into
Speaker 1: the schools and stuff like that, why wouldn't they want
Speaker 1: to play for the one of the greatest players ever
Speaker 1: at the after you don't think you know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about? Politics? Usual, Hey, last time we spoke, it
Speaker 1: was literally right before you signed the uh with the Lakers.
Speaker 1: You guys went into the bubble, won a championship, run
Speaker 1: us back through that whole situation of you actually being signed,
Speaker 1: going to the Lakers, and then that run through the bubble. Man.
Speaker 1: So I was, you know, I was out there working
Speaker 1: out a thing like almost like slaving myself to hope
Speaker 1: some came through, and uh, most the bubble situation happened
Speaker 1: and they opened up those roster spots. Um, they really
Speaker 1: you know, offered me a position just in case the situation,
Speaker 1: in case something happened, in case somebody go down or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I knew that going into it, and they really
Speaker 1: wanted me in that, you know, more of a veteran
Speaker 1: leadership road, and uh I was you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a person that was too hung on my pride or
Speaker 1: what not. And I definitely wanted to play and I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a back and part of the league
Speaker 1: in the situation to where again, you know, you're around
Speaker 1: with you're accustomed to and what you love so much.
Speaker 1: So you know, I easily jumped at it. And uh
Speaker 1: they brought it to you going right and rank going
Speaker 1: into the bubble like a week or two and uh,
Speaker 1: passing out of COVID ship that should be nuts. Uh,
Speaker 1: but it was dope, man, being around the guys again. Um,
Speaker 1: a little bit too much being in that bubble like that.
Speaker 1: But man, I ain't gonna lie. Bro when you start
Speaker 1: when you're with somebody every day for like three months,
Speaker 1: and it ain't your lady. It's like it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not just one dude, It ain't two dudes. It's a
Speaker 1: three hundred dudes. Mm hmm. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Then you've got people regulating where you can't go, where
Speaker 1: you can't go, you go. You gotta stand on this side.
Speaker 1: You gotta do this, Like, bro, you don't start this.
Speaker 1: I don't start Google. I don't operate that deal with
Speaker 1: rules and regulations like the So you continuously tell me
Speaker 1: you can't go over here and you can't go over there.
Speaker 1: You gotta do this. You gotta do that, like, bro,
Speaker 1: just think that not at thirty four or thirty five
Speaker 1: question since it's uh, pretty much legal now in the NBA,
Speaker 1: was you know to mention no names? Was it what? What?
Speaker 1: What was a tree in the air in the bubble?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it reusally blowing it down? Okay, but yeah
Speaker 1: I knew it. That's the abundating But you know it's
Speaker 1: you don't That's the only thing. Know. That was the
Speaker 1: only way you could really um, you could really function
Speaker 1: in that joke. So it was for that that was
Speaker 1: more like I was gonna let you say it first.
Speaker 1: I was gonna just say we was on FaceTime when
Speaker 1: you were telling us, and he was on FaceTime. He
Speaker 1: was rolling up and telling us how many where he
Speaker 1: was when he was in the bubble We I was
Speaker 1: gonna for real, he was in the chat. I was
Speaker 1: every night. Bro tell us on the other side like
Speaker 1: it was wow, but it was it was cool because
Speaker 1: I'm glad it happened because it finally broke that barry
Speaker 1: in that stigment that you can't play and all of
Speaker 1: this it was drug, it was this and that. And
Speaker 1: when you go to the bubble basketball, some of the
Speaker 1: dudes like Gring and some of the dudes playing it
Speaker 1: was like practice games kind of situation. So someone really
Speaker 1: can't play that well for the thirty thousand, But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you've seen some of the best level
Speaker 1: of basketball you've seen me to dude still doing what
Speaker 1: they was doing, like kicking, killing, cool though, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so like stop making it seem like
Speaker 1: it's so you know what I'm saying, Like it's just
Speaker 1: like it's an alcohol or something like you you know
Speaker 1: you ain't out that drink drunk, just getting sixty like
Speaker 1: that that shouldn't happen, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: when you you can be at peace with your mind,
Speaker 1: your body is or so, and you can go out
Speaker 1: there and just hoop like that's all you want. What
Speaker 1: was the locker room like when y'all saw Milwalker said
Speaker 1: there wasn't there was not They weren't gonna play. Everybody
Speaker 1: was really confused, you know what I'm saying, Like, well,
Speaker 1: like we didn't. For one, we didn't really know who
Speaker 1: started the thing. And then you know, when when one
Speaker 1: of them one started, you know which I respect, somebody
Speaker 1: else came up behind him like now I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: let you do that by yourself, and then the whole
Speaker 1: team you started to do it. So when you start,
Speaker 1: when I thought of it in that perspective, I thought
Speaker 1: it was dumpe um for the locker room. Again, everybody
Speaker 1: was confused, like what's going on? Why is this happening?
Speaker 1: Why is that happening? Why are we choosing now to
Speaker 1: say this? And at a third a lot of since
Speaker 1: was raised, And for me, it's like, you know, fortunately
Speaker 1: it did happen because it brought so much more awareness
Speaker 1: to me and how things actually work within the industries
Speaker 1: and all of that. So, um, it was those meetings
Speaker 1: was crazy, bro, because it's like we stopped everybody again.
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like Kent. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You got counselors, which is coaches, You've got all the players.
Speaker 1: You put you in this big gas ball room and
Speaker 1: then we all you know, somebody talk. This coach talk,
Speaker 1: this player talk, that player talk. Just you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And it was it was funny to hear
Speaker 1: different perspectives and how people really think of the game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, it's just that much
Speaker 1: more bigger than somebody's lives or what we've been you know,
Speaker 1: fighting and overcovering before, even when we was allowed to
Speaker 1: play in the NBA. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's different, like like when you really take it back
Speaker 1: to something bigger than the game, when people don't realize
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, not as bigger than the games. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ship as bigger than the game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's a game. Um, I love it. I
Speaker 1: love the game a hundred percent, but I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sacrifice and compromise who I am for the game,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like that, just at some
Speaker 1: point you gotta have you known integrity with there, who
Speaker 1: you are, what you're staying for, because I know I
Speaker 1: stand for something way more than the game. Like you know,
Speaker 1: when I look at so many quote when people don't
Speaker 1: want to get quote into quote unquote politics, you've got
Speaker 1: to because I think the data politics affects your family
Speaker 1: and how how to ship, move or how to work right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So as you look at
Speaker 1: it from different perspectives. Again, I didn't have that, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had that mindset in eighteen nineteen one
Speaker 1: years old, and I'm saying I was more. I was
Speaker 1: obviously way more into me and whatever I had going
Speaker 1: on and hooping and other than actually looking at it
Speaker 1: from a broader perspective of how should gonna affect my
Speaker 1: generational uh A legacy with my kids and my grandkids
Speaker 1: and ship like that, because I want you know, there's
Speaker 1: so many people before us that it made sacrifices like
Speaker 1: Jim Brown and all these dude A Lead and all
Speaker 1: these dudes. You know what I'm saying, Like that like
Speaker 1: to to sit here and just just so we could
Speaker 1: continuously make a dollars like spitting in their face, bro,
Speaker 1: because it's like the ship that they went through and
Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson and all of that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like when you really getting down to the meat potatoes,
Speaker 1: like the Negro leagues and how people how we was
Speaker 1: treated coming into their league and didn't be able to
Speaker 1: dominate the league and take over their league and be
Speaker 1: the pioneers today league to have the greatest of all
Speaker 1: time at every position, all that, when you think about
Speaker 1: all of that and still not be you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, accepted or wanted or you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: that's that's to me. That's where I take it to
Speaker 1: a different level of on my doom and I just
Speaker 1: aiding the betting to this because I don't if that's
Speaker 1: the case, I could be easily removed. And that's why
Speaker 1: I really don't even make no cause about it normal,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I don't even I haven't
Speaker 1: picked up a ball and nine months because my passionate
Speaker 1: love is into what I'm doing. But also it's just
Speaker 1: like it's so much it makes you not want to
Speaker 1: do it normal. You know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to I want to keep uh aiding in
Speaker 1: the direction of something that ain't It ain't changing nothing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, it ain't. Okay, we
Speaker 1: wear patches and all this other stuff on the jersey email,
Speaker 1: but one we don't know where that money going to
Speaker 1: quote unquote all the spind money and everything else that
Speaker 1: they it goes to charity? What charity? Who? Like all
Speaker 1: of this ship? Like if you can't, yeah, who benefit
Speaker 1: from this? Because if that's right, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: if you find me a million dollars in a million
Speaker 1: dollars to my to my community. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So there's a million hollars that you community said that community.
Speaker 1: Don't just sit here and saying, oh, we're just taking
Speaker 1: this and we're gonna do the charity. Who charity? What charity?
Speaker 1: Last last people we knew who was in charging ship
Speaker 1: like that was in jail. So what's up? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that ship. I literally just had this conversation the
Speaker 1: other day because I got to find them at six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, Jack, you got five millions. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how much you gotta fine jar, But to me, first
Speaker 1: of all, we should be able to pick where our
Speaker 1: money is going, like don't let it go to a
Speaker 1: pot where you say it's going to charity, and like
Speaker 1: you said, who's charity? What charity? What color are the people?
Speaker 1: Who is it really helping? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You're gonna take our money from us, we should definitely
Speaker 1: have a say in who it goes to help. Well,
Speaker 1: and didn't that help? And also and also we donating
Speaker 1: and we should maybe to write it all oh good
Speaker 1: call I need it, talk to me. I need it
Speaker 1: because they're doing it every time like I looked at
Speaker 1: it like you. And it's a difference because given it
Speaker 1: being around in the Gulf space and you're really learning
Speaker 1: how people work on the business left, like you're with
Speaker 1: somebody for four and a half hours, like out there
Speaker 1: you can, for one, you know who really is that
Speaker 1: at some point like you ain't just y'all talking to
Speaker 1: anything else, so that you're really getting to understanding of
Speaker 1: who you're dealing with and what they what they got
Speaker 1: going on? You taking a step further, get the NFO
Speaker 1: continuously talk to him whatever whatever, and they really give
Speaker 1: you the ins and outs of their business and how
Speaker 1: they maneuver and all of that. Bro, it's a dirty
Speaker 1: game with so many different levels. It's just that we've
Speaker 1: played it only on this superior level at this for
Speaker 1: so long. This is the only way we sit. But
Speaker 1: it's so many different levels to the grimy ship that
Speaker 1: go on. Bro, it's it's it's it's crazy. Like. That's
Speaker 1: why I try to continuously inspired the youth and try
Speaker 1: to give them ways of you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: not the ways we thought, more of the grouping up
Speaker 1: and like, you know, more group economics, like because honestly,
Speaker 1: that's the only way it's gonna work when you're going
Speaker 1: to an HBCU. It's like for me to look at
Speaker 1: these kids and them, alright, cool, you're an architect, you
Speaker 1: the developer, you the interior decorator, you the root for
Speaker 1: you the landscape, and y'all got everybody y'all need right here.
Speaker 1: Y'all got everything you need right here at seventy voo
Speaker 1: bookoo vo. Hey, go do that. Y'all create one business,
Speaker 1: all of y'all get a percentage of the company, and
Speaker 1: then y'all create a multiple businesses and then you do,
Speaker 1: you can work with other kids and other hbc use.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like this is so many
Speaker 1: different ways of networking and trying to connectivity within the
Speaker 1: school system and hbc use. It's it's it's dope. And
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to continuously give these kids and advice
Speaker 1: because they always think they need a celebrity or some
Speaker 1: super big hit to know, you just need selling to
Speaker 1: you like mind appears they want to do the same
Speaker 1: thing that's interested in. Y'all can make a killing just
Speaker 1: that fast. You get along with you get the tip
Speaker 1: thouars and you go to dolls, you go twenty thousan
Speaker 1: or whatever. Alright, cool, you know what, I know, the
Speaker 1: celebrity here gonna think it's great out there? Are you
Speaker 1: going to invest two hundred thousands? You know, up and running?
Speaker 1: You move it, you populate. That's that's the way it's
Speaker 1: gotta go. I'm saying. I staid of just looking at
Speaker 1: it from such a long shot around you get you know,
Speaker 1: I try to continuously give business proposals and stuff like
Speaker 1: that in different in different rounds, because you gotta have
Speaker 1: that different outlook on again in another podcast out there,
Speaker 1: I talked about the you know, the euro centric mindset.
Speaker 1: It's always about me, It's always about me. We learned
Speaker 1: we're embedded into that. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: gotta get more back to that Afro central mindset where's
Speaker 1: more about community, it's more about tribe. It was like, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: hopefully remember pool you and yeah, like we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta get back to that because we don't and you
Speaker 1: can't win. You can't. You can't be behind the eight
Speaker 1: go so far with which where we are to be
Speaker 1: able to think just one or two people gonna do it,
Speaker 1: five people gonna do it. We've got a couple of billionaires. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got five or six billionaires. It's a highness of them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like we expect. And we
Speaker 1: got one owner in professional sports, one majority owner of
Speaker 1: professional sports. Like come on. Recently, Jamal Crawford retired after
Speaker 1: twenty years, a little bitter sweet for him. He wanted
Speaker 1: to touch twenty. Are you at peace with the way
Speaker 1: your NBA career ended? Um? First of all, shouting to Jamal, man,
Speaker 1: that was that's my dog right there, man, that's just
Speaker 1: a true hooping bro. All respects to jamal Man. Um
Speaker 1: me no, because it's like, UM, I just I feel
Speaker 1: like I just tell who you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like that's the only thing about me that I feel like.
Speaker 1: Don't let me, let me hoop, let me excuse, let
Speaker 1: me rock into the wheels follow you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If I feel like I can't do it no more?
Speaker 1: All right, cool? I don't just the way it went down,
Speaker 1: just it was it was seeming fishy and funny to me.
Speaker 1: Us another backstory we're talking about later, but it just
Speaker 1: didn't sit well with me. UM. But I'm happy with
Speaker 1: you know, I had a long career, sixteen years. When
Speaker 1: I look at it, UM, so many people who haven't
Speaker 1: had the opportunity who touched me just couldn't stick or
Speaker 1: you know, played two or three years, four years. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate in so many different ways for wanting to
Speaker 1: be successful in win championships. UM, to be again be
Speaker 1: around UH ship a decade and a half for us. UM,
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough thing to do, especially when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with you know the greatest, you know, the great UM.
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody UM the other day and
Speaker 1: it's like, man, you played sixteen years. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, who's who's like an older person to these
Speaker 1: young kids? Were really remember that you played against something
Speaker 1: like Brola for these for this generation, I played against
Speaker 1: Reggie Like that was That's that's tough for me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like I played against Reggie Miller
Speaker 1: bro like a hold like his last year was my
Speaker 1: first year. So like walking in to walk into a
Speaker 1: thirty ask whoming by Reggie like that was tough, Like
Speaker 1: for somebody I was there. I was there, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that she was to walk into a game, I see
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, jackl mad Beady like that,
Speaker 1: she was like hey thing to me. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to regrets on it, because I really lived it
Speaker 1: how I wanted to live it, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that. And I'm fortunate for a lot of the
Speaker 1: experiences in the friendships that I'm grown. Um, obviously some
Speaker 1: of them isn't always what's gonna be and you know
Speaker 1: all of that, but the ones who sticked it all
Speaker 1: stick and I'm fortunate for that. Unfortunately, it's talking a
Speaker 1: lot of grime ship about the business and how people
Speaker 1: look at you and perceive you and in perception and
Speaker 1: how you know, it's about ratings and whatever else, because
Speaker 1: people really sell a soul just for a dollar and
Speaker 1: really really see that on the on the real broader skill.
Speaker 1: So for for that it's like it's unfortunately because you
Speaker 1: can't find the genuineness sometimes but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, that's their own games. So you're trying to
Speaker 1: try not to focus on that. Facts. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have time to kind of sit back
Speaker 1: and look, but just kind of understanding how influential and
Speaker 1: almost before your time you wore too you were to
Speaker 1: the way the game is played today. You know, two
Speaker 1: times six Man of the Year. Um, you know, the
Speaker 1: way you shot the ball, the way you shot your threes,
Speaker 1: the way you celebrated, I mean rock and Supreme arm
Speaker 1: bands and tattoos, your celebrations. That's really all the NBA
Speaker 1: is about these days. How do you look back on
Speaker 1: it and and did you face any backlash just kind
Speaker 1: of being you obviously I know they answer this question
Speaker 1: while you were doing it. Yeah, for sure. I think
Speaker 1: the game since my style, you know, um, shooting, you know,
Speaker 1: especially from just a plane standpoint, um, shooting the ball,
Speaker 1: attacking the room and stuff like that, uh, spacing the floor. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fun to see because I like to see,
Speaker 1: you know, the game being put in a more of
Speaker 1: a position to where you can see, um, you know,
Speaker 1: the young guys taking care taking their talents to the
Speaker 1: next level, especially to my late John, Like John is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players to watch when I do
Speaker 1: watch the games. Um, so you know, and being able
Speaker 1: to express yourself is everything within the game. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like I was a little ahead of
Speaker 1: my time and how I was expressing myself and though
Speaker 1: what I was doing them. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it was just I do feel like it
Speaker 1: was taking for granted and in the sense you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it was just looked at and
Speaker 1: deemed as something so terrible, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like for like when you think about the fune like
Speaker 1: I gott I'll take it back to the fines and
Speaker 1: ship like you think about that like they used to.
Speaker 1: Really they suspended me five games for a week, bro,
Speaker 1: they really they suspended me for that. Now you just
Speaker 1: smoke whatever, Oh yeah, you're good. Whatever, No test or
Speaker 1: nothing ain't even about that, so you don't want to
Speaker 1: get none of that back. Bro. So now it's okay,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying, like you pulling me,
Speaker 1: showing up, pulling up for three talking ship somebody face
Speaker 1: they can you atte like? So now that ship is okay?
Speaker 1: Like that should losing good like people going in the
Speaker 1: next day talking cash it about you any then you
Speaker 1: lose money and contracts and about y'all want to get
Speaker 1: none of that back? All right? All that sneaking and
Speaker 1: geeing we was doing. Yeah, like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I love I love way you do this, so listen.
Speaker 1: But when I was doing that, oh, he's just that's
Speaker 1: a bad guy. He's he's he's a very selfish teammate.
Speaker 1: He's like it's about him. But I was because I'm celebrating,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what look right, I'm having fun kicking
Speaker 1: the g ass. When they would do the exact same
Speaker 1: thing to me if I was on the other end,
Speaker 1: but it would be it would be cool. Then alright, cool,
Speaker 1: let's let's say that what's up with your Lakers? Man?
Speaker 1: What's just what what's your piano? Lakers? What do you
Speaker 1: think Broun gonna do. Man, I don't know. Man, Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough because not for real, like think I
Speaker 1: think it's tough because you know, for him, he in
Speaker 1: a position to where he got a lot of great
Speaker 1: pieces around him, like he like you really look at
Speaker 1: the people around them in the on that team. He
Speaker 1: got great players, He got the White he got one
Speaker 1: of the best rum protectors ever. You know, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you got, you know, a d who can be he
Speaker 1: can be healthy. He cannot be healthy, but he's when
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's he's he one of the best players
Speaker 1: in the league. He got Russell's been knowing the average
Speaker 1: triple double at the drop of a hat like that
Speaker 1: ain't even a question. Uh what what's the young boy
Speaker 1: that you got? Trevor Reason one of the greatest six
Speaker 1: men and contributors to come off the bench that we've
Speaker 1: seen consistently. Yeah. Uh, Avery Bradley amazing on ball defender
Speaker 1: Taylor Hunt. Tucker is one of the best young young
Speaker 1: kids in the game. Second third year player who six
Speaker 1: with your six, seven him to the ball, attack the room.
Speaker 1: It's funny because because I don't think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of uh pointing the finger, and the
Speaker 1: Lakers as are in the spotlight in the situation to
Speaker 1: where they always gonna be front page news no matter
Speaker 1: who's on the team. And then when you add one
Speaker 1: of the greatest too ever played on that on to
Speaker 1: that team and you win the championship with that team
Speaker 1: two years prior, there's a lot of expectations or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just just Lakers in general. But when you add
Speaker 1: the pieces and the names that you have on that team, um,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's it's gonna be tough. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a media your friends, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Then when you play the name game, when they blamed
Speaker 1: Russ or this person from missing shots and that person
Speaker 1: for mring shots, and then nobody really takes um I'm
Speaker 1: not saying ownership or hold us up, but nobody's like
Speaker 1: defending one another, you know what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: when you see it or when you see it on TV,
Speaker 1: it's like they're going that Russ and then you know
Speaker 1: that Ron talking about something I'm different and then you
Speaker 1: barely see vogeo. Um, so it's like you're not really
Speaker 1: getting the It's funny because the media can make a
Speaker 1: thing like we can make it to the media like oh,
Speaker 1: this is the brotherhood and all of that, but then
Speaker 1: the media could come in and then in the town
Speaker 1: in the twine between the brotherhood and everything, I said,
Speaker 1: nobody would you won't take up you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, that's my teammate and that's
Speaker 1: my brother. Not calling you my brother, bro. I'm must
Speaker 1: stick up for you, Bro. I fight for you in
Speaker 1: the streets, and I'll fight for you on the court
Speaker 1: like you ain't know. It ain't no iffens and buts
Speaker 1: about it with me. You mean, I go, I'll go
Speaker 1: at the coach and stand up for you whatever. Like
Speaker 1: that's just that's just how I roved, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I understand that's the politics as usually well.
Speaker 1: And you can't do everything is a certain kind of way.
Speaker 1: So you gotta you make you worry about yourself. I'm
Speaker 1: not a person who's just worried about myself in these situations.
Speaker 1: I'm a Teammker's my man, like I ain't no, we
Speaker 1: were rocking like, so pick and choose just what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. You want to trade me over. You're gonna
Speaker 1: trade it over there. I ain't cool back at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that school being my man. So
Speaker 1: this ain't got to do it. Your team and this team,
Speaker 1: and I ain't worried about that. You got them win
Speaker 1: the championship this year and if you don't, who do
Speaker 1: you have won the championship? Now I can say at
Speaker 1: the win of the chip this year, Um, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you one thing, it will be a hard out though
Speaker 1: seven games series they're making in that in that spot,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough out, you know. He said,
Speaker 1: you like watching John morad earlier? What other players are
Speaker 1: you like watching besides beside John morat Um, I like
Speaker 1: I like watching job. I like watching the league mon man.
Speaker 1: He's so gifted, bro, he wont He reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot like he could shoot the three absolutely and bounced. Bro,
Speaker 1: he got boosters. I even like. I just like it
Speaker 1: when Charlotte are the time. I told him all the time,
Speaker 1: like you really like you got a kid. Just don't
Speaker 1: even worry about the post. Just who um he's one
Speaker 1: of my fanst you off, not to cut you off.
Speaker 1: He reminded me of just a smaller version of you
Speaker 1: when I first seen him, Just like, Yo, this kid
Speaker 1: is nice. Yeah he got game, Bro, he got her name,
Speaker 1: um Degen Murray. Bro. I'm so happy for him. Man.
Speaker 1: That kids. I've been telling people about him for a
Speaker 1: minute and all star, all star man, and you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what I like about it. Though young, he
Speaker 1: develops his game, he continues to go to the gym
Speaker 1: that works on his game. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: People were talking about how this shot for a minute.
Speaker 1: He was tended a little bit, but who wouldn't be
Speaker 1: playing for pop when you're a rookie. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's going off and you're making mistakes whatever,
Speaker 1: but he still consistent with it. You've been working at
Speaker 1: his game. He always in the gym and ain't just nothing.
Speaker 1: Bro shout out to you know my man, I tea
Speaker 1: because he's a Seattle boy and that's a young boy.
Speaker 1: So U where he got he dope? Man? I love
Speaker 1: his energy to man, he's really good for um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's solid m v P he Man. I've been saying
Speaker 1: this for years. Man, somebody gonna get his man his problems. Bro.
Speaker 1: That boy in Dallas, Man, he is nice people doing
Speaker 1: it with nothing like I know what this respect. I
Speaker 1: hate to say it like that, but he don't be
Speaker 1: having like and he being dog fights gets done like
Speaker 1: slow bowl like he he's speeding up for nobody. It
Speaker 1: ain't super flashy. He's getting it done. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would like to see if if burn
Speaker 1: could win it, and so many other players to win
Speaker 1: it on on booty teams corners quote, so to say
Speaker 1: he got a heat, Bro, he carry his team consistently,
Speaker 1: if he more than anybody. If he don't play his
Speaker 1: team was work for sure. You go robbing league and
Speaker 1: so many other players been in and out teams are
Speaker 1: still able to get dubs or whatever heat home play.
Speaker 1: They've done quick hitters. Coming down to the end um
Speaker 1: three artists on rotation. When you hit the links, not normally,
Speaker 1: just when you're on that golf course, it might be
Speaker 1: a little different mindset. Bro, I listened to country music
Speaker 1: on the golf course. Really, I'm not sorry country music, bro.
Speaker 1: You know it's funny. I just started really getting into
Speaker 1: it heavy. Like I always had to respect the love
Speaker 1: for country music, just like I never really took the
Speaker 1: time to actually figure out artists and all that. So
Speaker 1: my little brother said me this playlist. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you I've been bumping this jow like like religion, bro,
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy like you hear it like yo switch,
Speaker 1: you don't get the hell out of I'll be They
Speaker 1: talked ship though, too, so I went. I went to
Speaker 1: high school with all white Jason. I would hear a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, they talk big ship if you
Speaker 1: listen to what they're really saying the country. But if
Speaker 1: you're talking to same ship, were talking just just just
Speaker 1: their version of it minus the killing talking big that
Speaker 1: should be give me my swing, bro. It's like what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'll be listening to rap music and shot
Speaker 1: out there on the golf course and I'll be speeding
Speaker 1: it up. I'll be going too fast. I'll be five
Speaker 1: and and all of that ship you wanted to have
Speaker 1: a little ship, I was a country music. I'll be
Speaker 1: chilling with lax. I ain't in the I ain't in
Speaker 1: the rush. I'm just what I'm saying, taking my time
Speaker 1: and join the elements of the game. Being outside and
Speaker 1: all that you really take. I'm taking to them or
Speaker 1: I receive it more um while I listen to you know,
Speaker 1: R and B and rap man just put me in
Speaker 1: that element to where I just so you used to
Speaker 1: want to party on the chill on the front. You're saying,
Speaker 1: in honor of Jamal Crawford retiring, who are your top
Speaker 1: three six men of all time? Don't be afraid to
Speaker 1: put yourself on that list. Uh, Lou will go, Um,
Speaker 1: jamalv go and I gotta go go to nobl M.
Speaker 1: Funniest thing that happened to you recently, the funniest thing
Speaker 1: that happened to me recently. Uh yeah, So look right,
Speaker 1: so I'm so I'm here right in Florida, and uh
Speaker 1: I played golf with this uh come to my boys
Speaker 1: down and Avantur so they give me this uh this
Speaker 1: titleless putter. It's a secle tea Scotti camera putter and
Speaker 1: uh one of the rare putters or whatever if you
Speaker 1: in the golf situation, you know. Um, so long story short,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I'm going Book of Flight
Speaker 1: and then my girl, we're leaving. We're leaving out the
Speaker 1: next day. All of this ship, right said I was
Speaker 1: so hyped about I just said talking out A buffet
Speaker 1: flew from here to have a layover somewhere, had a
Speaker 1: top on another Johane to go to l A, get
Speaker 1: to l A, drive to San Diego. I'm looking to
Speaker 1: see what time, what time they closed or whatever? They
Speaker 1: closed the whole They're closed on Sundays and Mondays and
Speaker 1: flew out. I was supposed to fly right back. I
Speaker 1: didn't even check what time it was, Bro, I ain't
Speaker 1: checked what day it was. I ain't checked with days
Speaker 1: they closed and not and flew all over that John
Speaker 1: they closed. Attention Bro, that world brow you mentioned you
Speaker 1: got a chance to play with m J Tigers. The
Speaker 1: one person you'd want to play with outside of those two.
Speaker 1: If you can have a one on one golf tournament
Speaker 1: with any one in the history, what would it be?
Speaker 1: They gotta be a PGA prom know anybody, anybody King
Speaker 1: j oh that's good, he once shout out, swing man. Bro.
Speaker 1: Stuck on the island. You stuck on the island, switched
Speaker 1: with three shows and movies. You you got in Rotation,
Speaker 1: yellow Stone, Sons of Anarchy and uh Fresh Prince Sons
Speaker 1: of Anarka to come back. I Bro getting ready. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for that. I'm definitely ready for that. Movies,
Speaker 1: He got games, uh back events and transforms best Kobe
Speaker 1: story on or off the court. Man, So off the court,
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in Philips in New York playing with
Speaker 1: the New Lakers. Is you know our stay in town
Speaker 1: or whatever. But there's playing I think it's playing Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Then it's playing us and m I'm out with my trainer.
Speaker 1: He done at the time, and we're chilling in the
Speaker 1: back and somebody doing. One of the waiters or does
Speaker 1: the manager come up? He's like, yo, man, uh Kobe here,
Speaker 1: I go, oh word like that, that's what's up. Like
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen code out whatever. I always seen
Speaker 1: at the arena, never seen him out at the gym,
Speaker 1: never seen him out. And uh he was like yeah
Speaker 1: he see. Uh he said he wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1: So I always got like summer. I was like soup said,
Speaker 1: They're like all right, fool. I was check him on
Speaker 1: our way out. So then the trainer at the time
Speaker 1: he peeking out, He's going crazy like dude, you want
Speaker 1: to go over there now? Like you want to go
Speaker 1: over there now? Like you're gonna go over there now.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that this been ship and uh so
Speaker 1: he fished food whatever walking out and uh, he stood up,
Speaker 1: give me, give me a hug, started chopping up for
Speaker 1: a second, like just standing and talking and checking out
Speaker 1: the families whatever whatever. He's like, you're about to leave,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, it make comes to down
Speaker 1: a real quick come so down was like alright cool,
Speaker 1: and he really liked, you know, screwed me on how
Speaker 1: intelligent he was, like just about so many different things,
Speaker 1: like like the way they would come back. He ordered
Speaker 1: something in uh in Italian and like going back. I
Speaker 1: was like, like he was like holding court, he gotta Nike,
Speaker 1: he got I think it was a robbed rob right there.
Speaker 1: Nico was right there and like he like, you know,
Speaker 1: talking ship to them like you know, and you especially
Speaker 1: like somebody at Nike like like Nico was and talking
Speaker 1: about the ideas that he expressed, the ship that that
Speaker 1: Nike took and didn't give him the credit for and
Speaker 1: all of that ship like he like grilling him or whatever.
Speaker 1: Excute and Uh, to see him in that element, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, here a real one, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't expect like you know, I was expecting the code
Speaker 1: to be like more you know, if you've seen him
Speaker 1: out here in the cut, just him or maybe one
Speaker 1: other person's training or something, and that's it I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like he's speaking, he's talking that ship.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, he gave me his number, told me
Speaker 1: you hit him up. We got it, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean you want to wrap whatever whatever can work out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool. I thought it was bullshit
Speaker 1: on the workout ship, right, So I ain't never hit
Speaker 1: him up on the workout shot. I just talked about
Speaker 1: moves and situations and games because I knew he was watching.
Speaker 1: And uh, I really got a totally different perspective of code,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because you were all again
Speaker 1: different perceptions what you hear, and so many other people
Speaker 1: say you really get one or one or catch him
Speaker 1: in a different environment and light, and like you get
Speaker 1: you receive it a different, totally different space. So had
Speaker 1: that moment where him was like, it's special. So I
Speaker 1: always remember he was definitely one of us. That's funny,
Speaker 1: Like he said, you never know how you think he
Speaker 1: would be until you're around him. Be like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: dude as regularly smart as motherfucker. But big ship to anybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody Coal is a fan. Man, rest in peace to
Speaker 1: the homie Jack finishing up. You know what quick question
Speaker 1: is last? We hit you with it the first time
Speaker 1: you came on the show. If you didn't have anyone
Speaker 1: on All the Smoke, who would it be? I would
Speaker 1: to see Tiger on here? Man? Yes, yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 1: But Jr. Man, we appreciate you. Continue to be great. Love,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be checking in. Yeah, the family again. Man,
Speaker 1: definitely welcome to the family. Good luck with school. Second semester,
Speaker 1: got golf season coming up. Me and Jack don't come
Speaker 1: out there with you. Uh Yeah. Excited to have you
Speaker 1: as a part of the family. Man, So continue to
Speaker 1: uh Man, be a great student, golfer, role model, father,
Speaker 1: and man. We're gonna catch up with you. Bro. You
Speaker 1: already know, Man, I'm only our forty Man's wait, let
Speaker 1: me know. You know I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pull up. That's a wrap special edition of All the
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