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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty three in Today in the show, I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by Ryan four of the CUDU May to take

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Speaker 1: a very advanced look at how wind, thermals and air

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Speaker 1: currents impact deer and deer hunting. Before we get to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.

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Speaker 1: And today in the show, we're going deep into the

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Speaker 1: weeds on a single topic, and that topic is wind

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Speaker 1: and thermals and air currents and all these things and

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Speaker 1: how they impact how dear smell and how you and

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Speaker 1: I should be hunting. And joining us to have this

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Speaker 1: discussion is an avid deer hunter and the Equality Deer

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Speaker 1: Management Association's Senior Regional Director and field Supervisor, Ryan Furrer.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan is a guy who is hunting mature deer

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Speaker 1: all across the country and he studied this craft under

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Speaker 1: some of the very best hunters out there. And one

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Speaker 1: of the keys that Ryan is so successful is because

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Speaker 1: he's gone above and beyond the average hunter's understanding of

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Speaker 1: this topic of wind, thermal's how dear smell. Ryan is

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Speaker 1: an absolute wind and thermal junkie, So it just seemed

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Speaker 1: which which is really of of the utmost importance for

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Speaker 1: more important for deer hunters than understanding wind and how

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Speaker 1: these deer smell, because the nose is most of us know.

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Speaker 1: The white tail's nose is this number one defense mechanism,

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Speaker 1: and if we want to get close to these deer,

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Speaker 1: especially mature buck, we have to find some way to

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Speaker 1: of some kind of weak is that they have, because

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Speaker 1: there's not very many weaknesses. So Ryan is going to

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Speaker 1: topic that I don't think we've ever gotten to before

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Speaker 1: just getting into it, or if maybe you haven't started

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Speaker 1: just playing likely. That some of these concepts and details

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Speaker 1: This is definitely an advanced kind of course that we're

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Speaker 1: into that camp, make sure that you go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to some of the past podcasts, especially the Deer

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Speaker 1: give you a brief introduction to understanding the wind and

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Speaker 1: how that impacts deer hunting. Understand that first and just

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Speaker 1: kind of try to wrap your head around that, trying

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Speaker 1: to implement that before you get into this level of detail.

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Speaker 1: Uh and even after that, if you come and you

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Speaker 1: start listening to this one, don't get discouraged if this

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Speaker 1: does seem a little daunting, you know, learn a deer

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Speaker 1: thing to you new hunters out there. At a minimum,

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Speaker 1: we do have a very exciting bonus guest joining us

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Speaker 1: up at our Northern Michigan deer camp and on our

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Speaker 1: All Right, I am here now with Ryan Furr and

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Speaker 1: Josh further Hilliard on the line. Uh, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: And and it's kind of interest. And this is gonna

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Speaker 1: But technically, uh, Ryan, you're you're Josh's boss, right, So

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Speaker 1: if I tell you all the dirty secrets that Josh has,

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Speaker 1: is that going to get him in trouble? Yeah? No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: technically I am his boss, but no, it's definitely not

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Speaker 1: best behavior, Ryan, Yeah, yeah, definitely just getting what do

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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, Further, like I want to start a

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Speaker 1: have the wind direction coming out of the southwest, and

429
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: then the air current is what happens after. You know,

430
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: you get that steady wind out of the southwest porcing

431
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: against a ridge line and just creating you know, basically

432
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 1: perpetual motion as it will. We're an eddy, you know,

433
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: like in a stream, the waters that are editing in

434
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: the current behind a rock or front of the rock

435
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: or along or whatever it may be. And the stiffer

436
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: the wind gets onto that direction obviously, you know, the

437
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: more quote unquote perpetual motion that it creates. So uh,

438
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: that's the current. Uh. And then also there's a drift

439
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: to that. You know, when it picks up when you

440
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: get higher speed like today, it's uh, it's all over

441
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's gusting like twenty five. So then you'll

442
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: have this gust and then there's gusts will stop and

443
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: you're having that columnist in between. But because of that

444
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: that twenty five in our power, before of that gust,

445
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: there's there's a drift effect. There's even there's still a

446
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: current there um. And you can test that with milk

447
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: weed um, you know, throwing it up. You know, right

448
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: when a gust takes off, and watch what it does

449
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: not being blown by you. And when whenever you feel

450
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: that that wind basically shut off, you know, that gus

451
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: shot off in between those you know, you may have

452
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: two gusts, you know how like that calumn in the

453
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: middle type of deal. But you'll still see that milk

454
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: weak um. You know, it's doing crazy things because of

455
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: of that drift effect or you know that perpetual motion

456
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: if you will, there's still forced behind it um. And

457
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: then you know it'll kind of dissipate. And then of

458
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: a morning and I was watching this this morning, matter

459
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: of facts, as the thermals, as the sun got more

460
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: over hind, the thermals were heating up. Um. You know,

461
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: like to say, like seven thirty eight this morning, my

462
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: thermals were still falling close to my tree stand. So

463
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: I had a pretty stiff wind um so my milk weed,

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: so speak was going you know, a certain direction. The

465
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: wind would die down, but the milk weed continue to

466
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: float in that direction. But when it died out with

467
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: no power behind it was interesting because the sun hadn't

468
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: heating up the forest floor right where I was at.

469
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't overhead enough. My thermals were still

470
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: kind of falling. It was still colder down there, so

471
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: it was literally suck that milk weed straight down to

472
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: the ground. It was and I was kind of playing

473
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: with the time and it just right to to do

474
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: it in that that I don't know what to call it.

475
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: That that lag of wind, you know, in between gust

476
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: and whenever that that that milk we would run out

477
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: of drift when run out of power behind it, the

478
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: thermals would would pull it directly to the forest floor.

479
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Which is interesting to know what was going on, but

480
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: it also was very learning to me. This isn't good.

481
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm trying to you know, did

482
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: a deer than twenty five yards of me? You know, Mortson,

483
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: My scent just dropped right you know where they're going

484
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: to be standard types of deals. So um, when you

485
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: start paying attention to that stuff and you know, it's uh,

486
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: it's it's very helpful. Uh. Back in my early days,

487
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: I used to build fires and and study fire and

488
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: smoke um just too. And I would basically would create

489
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: like a a smoke map and overlay over top of

490
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: my maps just because I hunted such steep train that

491
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, just because it would say the wind out

492
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: of the west. It don't necessarily wouldn't hunt like it

493
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: was out of the west. It may hunt like it

494
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: was out of the southeast and north. It's just because

495
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: of the edding, edding, editing, edding effect. Um. So yeah,

496
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: I would build fires on my platforms in like coffee cans,

497
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, in the off season, some you know, sometimes

498
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: two or three times a day morning, noon, and evening

499
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: on the same wind direction, and then do the same

500
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: thing on a different wind direction. And you'd be amazed

501
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: of what you would learn how smoke, you know, how

502
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: the air currents you know, float around your tree stand

503
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: um on different wind wind direction days and different times

504
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: of day as well. And then also how like I say,

505
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: clumps of trees or rocks or a hillside could cause

506
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: the adding the effect. So you know, wind out of

507
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: the north, you know that your smoke's going to the

508
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: south of you. Then all of a sudden, you know,

509
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: catch a ravine or catch a big clump of trees

510
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: and start adding and you know, spin right around you

511
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: and end up fifty yards to the north of you again,

512
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: you know, and and do that all over again. Um.

513
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Interesting stuff for sure. Yeah, that's it's one of those

514
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: things that I've heard, you know, like kneeling. Craig Doherty

515
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: have talked about doing that kind of thing a lot,

516
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: developing that wind map, and it it makes so much sense,

517
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: but it does seem like a tremendous amount of work

518
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: to go out there and map all that. But I

519
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: guess once you have that information, once you know what

520
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: it does, and maybe maybe you pick your handful of

521
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: top spots and then you you know, make assumptions based Okay,

522
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: we get most of our wins during hunting season, maybe

523
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 1: northwest and west, so I'll go map those things out

524
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: if that's at least a good starting point. Um, it

525
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: seems like a great way to do it. You also,

526
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I think I've heard you say, um, you can use

527
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: those little like fireworks, smoke bombs and stuff to achieve

528
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: the same thing. Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I would

529
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: buy those things out at any time I saw them

530
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: on cell. They used to make different songs. The little

531
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: ones don't I don't think they they do. You know,

532
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: there's little they're like little cherry bombs or whatever. They

533
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: don't put off enough smoke. But they used to make

534
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: bigger ones. Um. And then you know when I traveled,

535
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, through different states and they have those fireworks

536
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: stands always stopped, and then they make them all sorts

537
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: of different colors, but the bigger the better because they

538
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: last longer. And like I said, if that doesn't work,

539
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: I would, Uh. I've used those gun oil packs. Um,

540
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: I've used con se caned. I mean, I've burned just

541
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: about everything you can burn on the platform. But you're

542
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: right as far as it's very time consuming. But the

543
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: idea is I think I think the learning lesson from

544
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: that is because I don't do it any more. I

545
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: mean I've done in a little bit just to test

546
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: some hypothesis type of deal. But the idea is to

547
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: get an understanding for it and then like you say,

548
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: pick those those certain spots or those certain situations where

549
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: you know that you're not going to run in because

550
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: you can eliminate those areas. Um. That's what I think

551
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: I've probably taken from that the most was there's just

552
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: some spots I don't hunt anymore, no matter how great

553
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: the sign looks. Um. And again, you know, it depends

554
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: on what age class of the year. Hunting too, I

555
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: think has a big you know, there's a big difference

556
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: between a two year old and a four year old

557
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: and even a five year old or six year old.

558
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of components that go

559
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: into that. I wouldn't expect everybody to run out and

560
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I have to do it this way.

561
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, how often, you know, how much of the

562
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: season do you have the devote to hunting, like if

563
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: if if your seasons you know, six six and a

564
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: half weeks, like in Pennsylvania, and you've only have a

565
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: couple of weekends here and there in a couple of

566
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: vacation days. Well, you know, you know, don't not hunt

567
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: because the wind direction isn't suitable for your spot, you know,

568
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: find another spot, or you know what, go and enjoy

569
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: the day anyway. Type of deal. Um. So There's a

570
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of factors in there that go into you know,

571
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: how often you can hunt the property you're hunting in.

572
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: And I think probably one of the most important things

573
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: is the age classes deer trying to hunt as well.

574
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: If you're really trying to target on the specific book

575
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: that you know is four or five, you know, plus,

576
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: then you should probably pay attention to those details and

577
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: put the put the odds in your favor as much

578
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: as you can. Yeah. So I want to make sure

579
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: and and further make sure I don't forget to do this.

580
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we come back and

581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: talk about some of these stands that you end up

582
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: writing off is saying, or stands or areas that you

583
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: just find out you can't hunt because of something to

584
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: do with the wind. Um. But I want to I

585
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: want to rewind a little bit to just kind of

586
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: set the stage a little bit better for people that

587
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: maybe you're new to some of these concepts. Um. So

588
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: you talked about how you're paying attention excuse me, you're

589
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: paying attention to to wind and thermals and currents. But

590
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: I want to understand this in the context of an example,

591
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: so I can see, like how you think about these things.

592
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: So maybe because you use today's hunt because you were

593
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: out hunting this morning, as you just alluded to, could

594
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: you tell us what you were thinking about leading into

595
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: that hunt? So maybe this morning when you were planning

596
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: where to go or why you were going to hunt

597
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: or anything like that, can you explain to us how

598
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: you thought about those three things when their most current,

599
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: and what aspects of that you were thinking about to

600
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: choose where to go, when to go, how to hunt today,

601
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: and and and then maybe walk us through the hunt

602
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: and how things ended up impacting things. Yeah. Um, actually

603
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: today it was my first set of the season, and

604
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I'd just been you know, busy with work and everything.

605
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: We were extremely hot, I think once you know, last

606
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: week we were pushing ninety degrees a couple of days

607
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: beginning of last week, like last weekend, in the last week, um,

608
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: excuse me, the week before last, not just the other day. UM.

609
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: And I think Thursday a front came in and literally,

610
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: like within about thirty six hours we have like a

611
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: thirty five temperature difference. Um. And as you know, you

612
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: know it just when you have that big change, when

613
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: you go from one constant a big change, and you know,

614
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: starting to another constant that really gets deer on their feet,

615
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: especially in October, in the middle of October. So I

616
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: was really looking forward to trying to, you know, just

617
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: find a time to get out here this week. And

618
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: I was watching the weather, and you know, I knew

619
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: this morning was gonna be my only morning. And I

620
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: went and pull my cards on Sunday, and um, one

621
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: of my my biggest buck on the farm I'm hunting.

622
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: He was just just everywhere. He had been prancing around

623
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: all week, last weekend, the day like that when obviously

624
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: when that when that big temperature change kicked in, I

625
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: had most of my cameras on scrapes and he was

626
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: at about all of them. Um. And I know him

627
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: well for the last two years. He's a five year old,

628
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: and I purposely stayed away from him today because the

629
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: wind was gonna, like I said, the you know, steady

630
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: of around fifteen and gusting up to around twenties five.

631
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: And it has some topography to at the farm that

632
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: I hunt and the stands where I know he was frequenting,

633
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, the areas his core area and I say

634
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: home core area. Um was in an area that the

635
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: winds will swirl on you when they get to being

636
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: pushed around that much, that that high of wind, and

637
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go in there and risk um

638
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: having him out doing his thing and winding me. So

639
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I literally went to a stand and from one end

640
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: of the farm the others, probably as far as you

641
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: can get it might be a mile eas Uh, it's

642
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: a pretty big place, but it's probably you know, between

643
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: a quarter and a half mile from the center of

644
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: his core area. It's basically just the fringes, but it's

645
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: a really good spot. I call it the inside corner

646
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: sometimes the corner pocket. It's an oak flat on the

647
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: on the corner of a planted some Egyptian wheat and

648
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: some other native grasses in there, about a five acre field,

649
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: and it's just gotta laying around it, and it's the

650
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: perfect little pinch of this oak flat kind of comes

651
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: to this inside bend on a steep ridge. And I

652
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: went there thinking, you know, I'm gonna stay on on

653
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: that tude area, just just be great to get out

654
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: and have a sit and you know, kind of get

655
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: the season started. It was a really nice cool morning,

656
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: forty two degrees, but the wind was high um and also,

657
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, I was hoping to get a dough um

658
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: then Philideltag type of deal. But the only, the first

659
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: and only during I saw this morning at eight oh two, uh,

660
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: coming up this ridge work in this scrape line was

661
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: that buck, you know, like, oh no, and intant me

662
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw, and I start didn't get

663
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: worried because he was very nonchalant he was. I watched

664
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: him work four or five scrapes, you know, maybe in

665
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: a matter of sixty yards, and I mean he was

666
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: really getting into kicking out the scrapes, making rugs, working

667
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: overheading branch branches, and you know, he was just coming

668
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: right up to shoot. And literally the funnel he was

669
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: in really narrows down like thirteen yards from me. And

670
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: there when I got into the stand, there was a

671
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: fresh scrape about I don't know, less than six seven

672
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: yards from the base of my tree. So and he

673
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: was on that direct course and he was coming, you know,

674
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: he was gonna work these scrapes. And I just as

675
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, I had just before that was, you know,

676
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: doing the milkweed thing and watching the milkweed, and my

677
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: thermals pulled that milkweed straight to the to the ground,

678
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, inside the ten yard line on my tree,

679
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: and it's just it was like my you know, worst casecenar.

680
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I was excited to see it. He hadn't right at me,

681
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: but I knew that it was only anotter of time

682
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: until until he uh turned inside out there and you know,

683
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: he kept working his way up and and he got

684
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: to a scrape that was about it was actually twenty

685
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: four and a half yards arranged it later, but he

686
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: was severely quartered to was almost coming right at me. Um,

687
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: And what happens on this how this funnel ways, it

688
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of bends around, and I'm like right on the bend.

689
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: So when he leaves that scrape, he's actually going to

690
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: go in behind my tree like ten eleven yards, and

691
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like quartering away, you know, twelve thirty

692
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: manials to get to this other scrape. So it was

693
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: gonna work kind of perfectly. But because of of my thermals,

694
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: the wind was it wasn't going towards him, it was

695
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: paralleling him. But those thermals being pulled down to the

696
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: ground and and those big gusts, they were just creating

697
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: havoc um And and you know, I just knew that

698
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't I knew better, you know,

699
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, like I said before, you know,

700
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have been hunting on that trying to

701
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: kill a buck, but I was staying away from him,

702
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot a dough and also just wanted to

703
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: be out there and join it. You know, I'm kind

704
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: of holding my bow and I'm just like, well, maybe

705
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: this wouldn't work. At this point, I'm starting to like,

706
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, like, man, this might just actually work if

707
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: if this wind just keeps down long enough, and you know,

708
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: maybe he's not going to pay attention to to all

709
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: the details and he's just the one his thing and

710
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But uh, yeah, he took a couple

711
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: of steps out of that's crazy patting my way, and

712
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: it was like he hit a wall and and I

713
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: mean I literally, you know, his posture immediately changed. Um,

714
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: he didn't blow out of there like I body whatever.

715
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: He kind of you know, he moved his head around

716
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: a little bit too, and I could see him moving

717
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: his nose and he must know the wad in one instance,

718
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: because I mean and he turned and took two big

719
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: hops and put some distance between me and him, and

720
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: he stopped again, and at that point he was you know,

721
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: maybe there were some brushing and he just literally just

722
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of change direction and just walk straight down over

723
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: him and you know, got out of there. But you

724
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: know that that was the scenario this morning. I kind

725
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: of knew that going into there with those high winds.

726
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: And again that's the difference between you know, the Midwest

727
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, a lot of those deer

728
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, that high state, when they like that,

729
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: that that sense of comfort, you know, knowing that they're

730
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: always their nose is always keeping them safe. But when

731
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: you when you add topography to it and you get

732
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: those gusts and that wind starts to swirl because of

733
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, like where I was, there was a steep

734
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: ridge basically to the south of me, so I just

735
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: had swirling winds. Um. You know, it could work against you.

736
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I think that that's that

737
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: sixth sense. I'm sure you've all or we've all heard,

738
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking group of hunters and somebody

739
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: will say, you know that those those deer, especially those

740
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: older ones, they just have that sixth sense. Um. I

741
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: don't know. The more I do this, I like to

742
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: think that that sixth sense is just those deer really

743
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: really knowing, you know, how to use the terrain and

744
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: the wind in their favor all the time, and then

745
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: the hun completely understanding what's going on around in that

746
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: sixth sense, like you know, if your thermals are on

747
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: a rise, are on a fall the morning of an

748
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: evening and editing air occurrens and stuff, you know, why

749
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: you're sent actually went to that deer's nose. Um. I

750
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: think that that that's that sixth sense that we see. Yeah, so,

751
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: so I want to kind of unpackage a bunch of

752
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: things that you talked about there. Let's talk about topography first. Um,

753
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: can you explain or give us some examples of how

754
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: different kinds of topography will mess with the wind? You know?

755
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: The one that stands to me always, um is like

756
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: if you're down in the bottom, Like, if you're down low,

757
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: there's that swirling Um. Can you can you leverage on

758
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: that in any other kind of topographic features that seem

759
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: to have a consistent effect or something that you always

760
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for or aware of. Yeah. Sure,

761
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: And it changes throughout the time of the year because

762
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: of sun position, right, especially when you're talking topography and

763
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: thermal's um, a north facing slope gets less sunlight in

764
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: November than it does July. That makes any sense because

765
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: the suns of your head so and the north facing

766
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: slope is always your coldest facing. So that's the one

767
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: that always sticks out to me, um when you're hunting

768
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: a new facing slope, especially you know, we as being

769
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: in the three stand deer hunters end of October three Thanksgiving.

770
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Depending on how steep that hill is and how high

771
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: on the hill or lower you on the hill, it

772
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: may be pen o'clock in the morning before the sun

773
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: is i'll high enough, or even later. Uh, you know,

774
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: to change those normal so, you know, and I've experied,

775
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: I learned that through a bad experience of a really

776
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: good scenario. Here is if you can picture this, and uh,

777
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: the ridgeline running east to west um on the on

778
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: the west side of the rags almost excuse me, on

779
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: the east side of it, to the northeast, it was

780
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: like a bowl almost of a thicket and every little

781
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: nasty thing you could think in there, and maybe a

782
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: topless twenty acres or so. And I just knew that,

783
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really call it a betting area,

784
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: but deer state, and it's just always does it's around

785
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: there and everything and this regionally and you know, ran

786
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: east to west from this this betting area, and so

787
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: the deer would come from the west basically like it

788
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: kind of angled, so they would come from the northwest

789
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: across this north facing slope if you will, if you

790
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: can follow me, um and then you know, heading to

791
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: set check this dough betting areas I called it or whatever.

792
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Um on a northeast wind, and I had hunted this.

793
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: I was about three quarters that went up on this bridge.

794
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: And as I was scouting it, there was a SEEPI

795
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: or a drainage that came out of this rich line

796
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: had basically forced movement around it up it so that

797
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: the deer walking across the hill, they would come to

798
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: this big drainage just seeping out of this this north

799
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: facing slope, and rather than than across it was rather steep,

800
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: they would they would just overtime. All the trails just

801
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: funneled around the top of it. You know, it's like

802
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: a no brainer. When you knew what was going on,

803
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, you hang on, you know, the the south

804
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: side of that, and you know it funnels all to

805
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: do the type of dealing on the northeast wind. You know,

806
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: it would only make sense that a buck could scent

807
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: check that dough betting area, um, you know, just with

808
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: his nose, you know, from seventy five yards away, type

809
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: of deal. So I hunger standing, you know, putting way

810
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: for that first northeast and and I've got in there

811
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: and every you know, the winds out of the northeast

812
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: and every gear that first morning, I'll never forget this,

813
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, to the north and me was blown. It was.

814
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: It was a bunch of those and little ones and

815
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: you know they're you know, thirty yards twenty yards and

816
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: you know to the north of me, and you know

817
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: they're just hitting my wind. I'm like, the winds out

818
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: of the north, there's there's no way they should be

819
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: smelling me. And I hadn't tested it, you know, I'm like,

820
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: when the world's going on here, this is probably you know,

821
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: ten years ago. And finally, you know, I went back

822
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: in and with the whole fire deal, I'm like, I

823
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: gotta figure this out, and you know, built a fire.

824
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: And what was happening was that there were light wind days.

825
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: And again, wind speed has a lot to do with it,

826
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to think, I don't know, I've

827
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: never really measure, but somewhere over eight millon how wind

828
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: gets kind of forceful, so it forces your scent or

829
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: whatever in the direction it's coming from. So it's basically

830
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: pushing it with enough force that it will get it there.

831
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: But when it's less than that, a lot of times,

832
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, your center to that hand and it becomes

833
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: heavy and it just kind of gravity takes its toll,

834
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: if you will, especially on those cold thermals, but they

835
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: are pulling, you know, towards the earth surfaces. And that

836
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: was this exact occasion. It was, you know, one of

837
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: those old Chris November mornings. Was hardly any wind at all,

838
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: um you know, very overcast type of day. So I

839
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: call that heavy air, you know, very heavy air type

840
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: of day. And the sun was up, but it wasn't

841
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: up high enough to where it was, you know, reaching

842
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: the forest floor on that part of the facing slope.

843
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: So my thermals were, you know, working as if it

844
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: were over the evening. My thermals, you know, my sense

845
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of the body, if you were

846
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't fire, you know, it's going up a little bit,

847
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: but it was cooling down rather quickly because the air

848
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: temperature was cold, so the smoke's cooling down and they

849
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: cooled down, it were going to the north a little

850
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: bit with the north wind direction, the smoke to the

851
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: north a little ways. But once it got cool enough

852
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: and then its thermal started pulling it, it would literally,

853
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, pull it to the ground and then suck it,

854
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, back down to the bottom, which would be

855
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: to the north of me. So that's what my sent

856
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: was doing. If you think of yourself at a little

857
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: fire constantly putting off smoke, um, you know, yeah, it's

858
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: going the right direction for you know, a certain amount

859
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: of time. But once that air cools down, once it

860
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: cools it down you know from your body, uh, and

861
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: those thermals pull down towards your surfaces, and then it's

862
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna go. You know. You think of scent or that

863
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: smoke just as water on the hillside, and and even fog,

864
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: if you will. Fog always lays in the lowest parts

865
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: of the fields. You know, if you're going around and

866
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: at a cool morning where the fog is, it's always

867
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: just like water where water would pull, fog pulls up

868
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: and that's usually you know, the lowest, coolest spot, and

869
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: that's what your scent does. And and uh, I learned.

870
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I still hunt that that fence line, that's I call

871
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: it the north Ridge stand um, but I don't. I

872
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: purposely set a stand about eighty yards from it that

873
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: I hunt until about you know, twent o ten something there,

874
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: and then I get down and sneak over and that

875
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: stands and get up in it, you know, around ten

876
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: o'clock if you will. Uh, the sun is usually high

877
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: enough and the thermals are now going again back up

878
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: the hill, and it puts everything you know, right into

879
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: my favorite there's deer that are scent checking that ridge line,

880
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, on a north wind that my scent, my

881
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: thermals are going upwards and you know, to the south

882
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: like they should be up over the hill type of deal.

883
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: And I've actually shot there from that stand, shot box

884
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: out of that stand, you know, getting in it ninety

885
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: and I think the earliest I shot one at twenty

886
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: after ten one time. I've shot them at eleven, you know,

887
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I think one in one in the afternoon one time.

888
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was definitely an eye opener for me.

889
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: It definitely works. So to answer your question. That's one

890
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: of the you know, the like you say, the topography,

891
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: the low spots um and those north facing slopes, and

892
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: they said you can use the layman the thermals and

893
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: eliminate um stand lowcases. And you know, I've want to

894
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: have all but eliminated the low ones. But it takes

895
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: the perfect scenario for me to get into a low stand,

896
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: and usually it has to have water around it. Uh,

897
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: water can get me, can can do a lot, you know,

898
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: get your scent where you want. It cools down the

899
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: year and around you. Sort it's gonna pull those your

900
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: thermals down to the stream and then you know, right

901
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: out out with the flowing current almost so it'll your

902
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: scent will stay right with the water type of deal. Okay, Um,

903
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm finding myself being pulled in like seven different directions

904
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: at once. I'm trying to do Sometimes you have to

905
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: stop me because I get going. So it's perfect. It's

906
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: it's perfect because you're you're laying down all the different

907
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: things I'm interested in. You're like kind of putting them

908
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: out there for me. I'm just trying to pick trying

909
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: to choose which apple to pick off the tree. Um

910
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: So one of the things I kind of struggle with

911
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: sometimes is knowing how to like rank or prioritize wind

912
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: direction versus the thermal and knowing like when one is

913
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: going to trump the other. And I think you kind

914
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: of mentioned your threshold, but I want to make sure

915
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm clear on this. Are you? Are you saying that

916
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: if you have a wind direction of more than eight

917
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: miles an hour or so, that's probably going to trump

918
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: a thermal effect, so that in that case you wouldn't

919
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: be so much worried about the thermal sucking you down

920
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: if you had like twelve or thirteen or fifty mile

921
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: an hour wind blowing to you in a certain direction.

922
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: Is that right? Or correct me on on that? Yeah,

923
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: So putting on when you have them those you know,

924
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: those perfect chris blue bird mornings, but not bluebird but

925
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: low wind. You know, there's just hardly any noise in

926
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: the woods, so low low wind speed um thermals really

927
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: come into play. But usually when those crisp, cool bluebird mornings,

928
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: is I call those uh light air days, you know,

929
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: I call them heavy air and light air. But when

930
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: you have that that high pressure, your therminals, you're you're

931
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: your tumals, I like to think of it. You know,

932
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: we grew up in the north and you know when

933
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: you go past people's homes in January and they have

934
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: a chimney and the stone pipes comes out of the

935
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: top of their roof and they have a fire, and

936
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: the stone pipes like ten inches and you ever see

937
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: those the smoke out those pipes like keep a ten

938
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: inch or maybe be just day out to twenty inches around,

939
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: but just it just goes straight op in the air

940
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: for as almost as high as you can see it.

941
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: Those really light air days, there's nice, beautiful high prince days,

942
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and your thumbs are just going straight up. So there's

943
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: since almost like in that stove pipe, it's just going

944
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: straight up. Um. Those are the days and again that

945
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: sixth sense that you can almost get away with just

946
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: about anything. But then when on the flip side, when

947
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: you have those heavy air days when everything is being

948
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: pushed down to the ground, and you know you can

949
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: again see those days, just build a fire in your

950
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: yard a few times, you know you're and watch what

951
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: the smoke does. Um. You know when your neighbors are

952
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, four or five doors down coughing because you

953
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: got your you're burning leaves in your yard. Those are

954
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: heavy air days, and that's exactly what your sense to

955
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: be doing, so it's forced down. And those are the

956
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: days that wind speed comes into play because if you're

957
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: if those heavy air days are forcing your sent to

958
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: the you know, to stay within you know, whatever ten

959
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: are surface, then you need wind speed from a direction

960
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: to move your scent where you need it to go. Hopefully,

961
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: you know your your tree stands positioned to where you know,

962
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: you know you're on the downwind side of wherever you're

963
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: gonna walk if you need your scent to go that way,

964
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: so you obviously need wind speed to push it there

965
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: on those heavy air days. That makes sense. So so

966
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: high pressure days are when you're typically gonna get those

967
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: that air blowing up, pulling your scent up and out

968
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: in a way so you can get away with a

969
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: little more. And also we oftentimes hear the high pressure

970
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: days or days that deer like to like to move

971
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more too, So that's kind of a

972
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: double positive there on the flip side, right, you got

973
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: the low pressure days which you usually are coming in

974
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: with the front. Like at the beginning of the front. Right,

975
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: you got a big storm front moving through something that's

976
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: gonna be what you're calling a heavy air days, pushing

977
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: things down. It's gonna make things a little more difficult

978
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: unless you do have the higher wind speed that's gonna,

979
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: as you said, push the wind where you need it,

980
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: your scent where you need it. So that all that

981
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: all makes sense to me now I think, Um, now,

982
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: this is a slight pivot. But when it comes to

983
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: wind speed and and dear movement, do you see any

984
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: certain um you know, threshold of below this you know

985
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: speed they tend to like it or don't like it,

986
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: or above the speed they like it or don't like it.

987
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Um do you do you have anything there that you

988
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: that you like? The key in on well, I think

989
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: it varies regionally for the hunt. You know that you've

990
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: flund a lot of listeners in upstate New York, you

991
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: know hunting big woods. Um, I and I grew up

992
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: in areas like that, and I've also hunted you know, Iowa.

993
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: So it definitely, in my opinion, varies regionally, and definitely

994
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: topography has a lot to do with that. But in

995
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 1: the big woods, when you have you know, big mature

996
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, red oak and maple forest, and stuff, and

997
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: that wind speed picks up and it stays a constant,

998
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: and those tree tops are banging together and you know,

999
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: swirling winds because of the ridges in the valley. Um,

1000
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: to me, dear tend to moves less now on the

1001
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: flip side, you know, on the other coin of that spectrum.

1002
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: And I've heard you know, when you've had more journal

1003
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: and how he likes higher winds speed. But I think

1004
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with it's a constant. Uh,

1005
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: it's coming from a certain direction. They can feed in

1006
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: bed with their nose in a certain position to to

1007
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: cover you know, their backside. You know, deer is a

1008
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: prey animal. You know, basically it's just trying to do

1009
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: everything to stay alive. So that would make sense that

1010
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: if it's being a constant that then they can always

1011
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: monitor that. But when it starts to scroll around, and

1012
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: then you throw in the banging tops of trees and stuff,

1013
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: that is now giving them another trigger to their ears,

1014
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, to be alarmed. To um, I think it

1015
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: adds a little stress to him. And when they're stressed,

1016
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: they tend to move left. So I think that would

1017
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: definitely depend on you know, what part of the country

1018
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: you're hunting in for me? You know where I where

1019
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm hunting now. You know today it was a perfect example.

1020
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: It was a high wind day and it was you know,

1021
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: steady twelve the sixteen or seventeen, and Gustin it was

1022
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: just the buck I saw he was actually moving. You know,

1023
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: it was eight o'clock. It was actually before the wind

1024
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: really started pick up heavy about you know, as the

1025
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: sun got higher and when you know, obviously gained speed

1026
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: and around ninety I mean, it was just, you know,

1027
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of nonsense. Really, I just

1028
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: it was just wasting my time. I didn't even say

1029
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: it though. Huh um. Interesting. Let's let's go back to

1030
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: what you were talking about two seconds ago then, which

1031
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: was water, and you alluded to that was you know,

1032
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: utilizing water as a as almost like a thermal pool

1033
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: was something that you you would would think about in

1034
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: certain situations. It would allow you to get away with

1035
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: hunting in like a low spot, like a bottom or

1036
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: a creek bottom or something like that. Can you can

1037
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit more about how water

1038
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: impacts all this stuff, thermal's, wind, currents, et cetera, and

1039
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: then elaborate on how you use that, Yeah, definitely, it's

1040
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: it's it's on the evening. Um. I mentioned before, you know,

1041
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: I tried to I hunt is I hunt higher in

1042
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: topography as much as I can, because obviously that's more

1043
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: constant um. But when you know, you start talking to

1044
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: different found hunters and starts, especially the RNA season, there

1045
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of people that do a lot of

1046
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: evening hunts. Makes sense, you know, through the bed and

1047
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: then then the evening next when they do most of it.

1048
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: But umform topography to me plays a big rule in that,

1049
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: especially when you start dealing with order eh class dear

1050
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: and going on this or stumbled across the one. You

1051
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: just watching deer from long distance. I was watching the

1052
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: mature buck one time. He kept coming out in the

1053
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: field the four seasons. This is like mid September, you know,

1054
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: feeding in the beans type of deal. And he would

1055
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: come out in the same spot on a certain win

1056
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: direction all the time, almost religiously, and he would never

1057
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: other deer would feed, you know, within you know, a

1058
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards of him, but he stayed within a

1059
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: thirty or forty yards circle. He would never really leave

1060
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: that circle. UM. And at the time he was either

1061
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: four or five year old, I can't remember, but you

1062
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: know what it was was he was feeding. Eventually later

1063
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: I fixed this side. He was feeding, you know, honestly

1064
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: with his head thou clover, and it was over the evening,

1065
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: every evening, and and he was basically in an area

1066
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: where all the the topography was pulling all the his

1067
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: the scent from around him. The thunals were calling down.

1068
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: He was in the lower spot, and he stayed in

1069
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: that lower spot because he could feed with his nose.

1070
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: You head to the ground. Those that are ground look

1071
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: up every now and again. But basically how all facets covered,

1072
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: because he was in one of the lower spots around them,

1073
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: and he's thinking about trying to get in there and

1074
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: hunt that deer. And he was where he was seeing

1075
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: was really from his betting area where I assumed he

1076
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: was betting. And the only spot I could get into

1077
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: was if I walked a creek, a creek bottom up

1078
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: and it had some that had water. And when you

1079
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: get to when I'm talking about the water temperatures is

1080
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: what does causes this? And you've only probably everybody has

1081
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: probably stood next to a stream and it's just always

1082
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, more chilly down, it's corner next to the water.

1083
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: Um that has a that that's a positive for you

1084
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: if you're trying to you know, if your tree stands

1085
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: close to that water, then that that cooler air temperature

1086
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: in and around that water, especially of an evening a

1087
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: storm as are falling, will will funnel your scent you know,

1088
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: to the water. And then whatever direction the water currents going,

1089
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: your wind speeds not too high, and usually in the

1090
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: evening as when wind speed starts to die out again,

1091
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: that would that would not be the case if you

1092
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: had stronger wind speed, you know, forcing it you're sent

1093
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: a certain direction. But if you had you know, three

1094
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: or four or five miles wind, uh, really cooler temperatures

1095
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: in that water, and you could you can literally sit

1096
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: next to the standom thinking about and now I could

1097
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: take you there and you could sit next to feel

1098
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: the temperature difference. And you know, I was able to

1099
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: sneak up that creek bottom, um, you know, with the

1100
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: water in it, get out within you know, five or

1101
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: six yards in the creek bank and uh, you know,

1102
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: into the stand type of deal and and shoot that deer.

1103
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: Um he you know, he in his mind, I think

1104
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: he was you know as the safe as he could be.

1105
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: But I just found that one area where I could

1106
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: get in there and and him not be aware of

1107
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: my presence, And it was because of that stream. For sure.

1108
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: Do you have anything like that when you're hunting near

1109
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: big bodies of water, like hunting next to a lake

1110
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: or a really large pond or anything. Is there any

1111
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: kind of weird current or thermal effect of that? Um,

1112
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have ever thought about that. Yeah,

1113
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never really handing next to a

1114
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: big lake. I hand hunted closer to some ponds, but um,

1115
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: I would think just thinking about it, you know, it

1116
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: would have to be a bigger pond because I think

1117
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: the statinant water especially they kind of whole heat like

1118
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: a swimming pull, the whole teet. But a stream, you know,

1119
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: moving water, especially in a mountainous region, is cold water.

1120
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: You know where the trout look, that's really cool water

1121
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: type of deal. Um, it would make sense if it

1122
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: would definitely change it, but it might actually change in

1123
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: the reverse. If there was a pond, that would you know,

1124
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: like a swimming pool sometimes if you jump in, you

1125
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: know you have an in ground swimming pool. An air

1126
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: temperature of a morning or any evening is quartered in

1127
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: the water temperature, you know, so the pool actually old

1128
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: heat um sometimes you know, depending on what's around and

1129
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: I guess how much sunlight it get, So there will

1130
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: be a lot of variables are but I can definitely see,

1131
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be something words looking into. I never

1132
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: really studied it. So here's another thermal scenario. I'm curious

1133
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: on your thoughts about this is when I've heard some

1134
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: other guys talk about the hunt some hilly country talking

1135
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: about um what they call a thermal tunnel, where basically

1136
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: you've got a situation where you have a your imagine

1137
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: a ridge and you've got the wind blowing over the ridge,

1138
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: and you also they'll have a thermal rising. So we're

1139
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna say it's late in the morning or in the

1140
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: afternoon when the wind or the thermals are coming from

1141
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: the bottom coming up the ridge, but you have a

1142
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: wind direction that's coming from the opposite side of the

1143
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: ridge and it's hitting that thermal, creating almost a tunnel effect.

1144
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: You've got thermal hitting a wind direction. Typically I've heard

1145
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: about this being about three quarters of the way up

1146
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: the ridge line. And then this this kind of this

1147
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: spinning tunnel of of wind. Supposedly, the theory being that

1148
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: this location about three cords of the way or two

1149
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: thirds of the way up a ridge. Because of that effect,

1150
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: bucks sometimes like to run that height on the ridge

1151
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: to try to take advantage of that. Have you heard

1152
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: of that before? Or if if not, does that make sense?

1153
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like that? What do you think

1154
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: about that theory? UM? I have heard of that, and

1155
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: I've heard it. I've heard it talk. I've heard it

1156
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: talked a lot when that'sked with the elk hunters. UM,

1157
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: but I've never I guess I've never really played with

1158
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: I have heard of it. Does make sense, um a

1159
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: little bit, But I think would have to do with winds.

1160
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: It would have a lot to do with wind speed. UM,

1161
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: depending on you know how much uh how much force

1162
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: is behind the wind, whether that would take effect or not. Okay,

1163
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense? Um? Does does any of this stuff

1164
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: with thermals matter when we're not in country with a

1165
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: bunch of ridges and hills? I mean, if I'm in

1166
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: flat as flat ground can be, let's say middle of

1167
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: Illinois or something like that. Um, do you need to

1168
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: worry about this stuff as much sure. Uh, you know,

1169
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: just like today, you don't want even you want your

1170
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: thermals on a rise, especially for hurting from a treest

1171
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: and even even fifteen you know, twenty feet can make

1172
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: a difference if if you're in a tree stand twenty

1173
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: feet and you're a bow hunter, you know, hunting a

1174
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: specific deer, trying to get him within a specific you

1175
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: know yardage. Um, you don't want your your you know,

1176
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: if you're expecting the deer and where I was, I

1177
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: would call it this morning, like close quarters. That's a

1178
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: good example. You know, if the deer continued on, he's

1179
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna end up you know, twelve thirteen yards maybe a closer.

1180
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: So when when your thermals are you know, going straight

1181
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: to the ground. I mean he's basically a ground zero.

1182
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: You have to have everything right, so yeah, topography or not.

1183
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, if your trumbals are going straight to the

1184
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: ground and you're expected, you'renna be that close. You know,

1185
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: if you want to shoot that deer, I would just

1186
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: shoot him before he gets that close, because you know,

1187
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: he may not smell you at thirty yards, but he's

1188
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: probably definitely gonna smell you a ten uh, you know,

1189
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: and turn inside out once he does, because he's gonna

1190
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: know he's right on top of the type the door

1191
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: basically right underneath you. Um, i've heard, but yeah, but

1192
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: when so, I was gonna say that that I've heard

1193
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: you talk about these kind of days like that where

1194
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: you've got a low pressure, so a heavy air day

1195
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: that pushes your scent down, and if you don't have

1196
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot of wind, you essentially create a pool of

1197
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: scent around you. Um, that just kind of lingers there.

1198
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: And in the context of that situation you were talking about,

1199
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: if you've got a scenario like that and you're in

1200
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: the rut, you wouldn't hunt all day like many other

1201
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: people would say, because you just are creating this scent pool.

1202
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that day here? That right? Do

1203
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: you avoid all day sits in the scenario? Like? Yeah,

1204
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: I do? And you know they're doing the show scene

1205
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like in January when we're

1206
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: all out there on shows. You talk to every year

1207
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: hunter in North America, and I've always found it fascinating

1208
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: how many people sit from daylight to dark in the

1209
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: same trease then all different fashions of weather. Sometimes I

1210
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: would say that that's fine and probably would suggest it.

1211
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: But there are other times, especially there's heavy air days,

1212
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: when I think just that I think of myself as

1213
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: like I said, I have built fires. I think of

1214
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: myself as a fire and constantly putting off smoke. And

1215
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: if I don't have wind speed and thermals taken my

1216
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: scent or that smoke in the direction where I wanted

1217
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: to go, it is I am just you know, constantly

1218
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: saturating my area. I would just only imagine that it

1219
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: would just can you know the pool of scent would

1220
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: just increase and get larger and larger and larger, you know,

1221
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: basically you know, twenty yards saturbination from my stand, thirty

1222
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: year and forty yar and fifty yard and eventually if

1223
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I've sat there eight nine ten hours and I've not

1224
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: had wind speed to move, you know, to clean the

1225
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: airing out type of deal, and I've had you know,

1226
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: a low pressure gay and heavy air day and everything's

1227
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: just fallen to the ground, I would, you know, And

1228
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: I've kind of testing it, Ferry not specifically sent out

1229
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: the bit, but sat areas where I knew that was

1230
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: going on, really good areas and have sat there and

1231
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: just not seen deer Um, I guess the argument could be, well,

1232
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, how do you know you would have seen

1233
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: here was a better day? And I don't know that,

1234
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: but you know you do that so add so many times.

1235
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: The likelihood is if you go, you know, if you

1236
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: know the area and you know how many do you have,

1237
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: and you know what's going on if you're not seeing deer. Uh,

1238
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: and on those types of days, the likelihood is I

1239
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: would think it only makes sense no how well they

1240
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: smell that if that's probably why. Um, So those days,

1241
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: I definitely tried to get to an area where I

1242
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: caught my dead zone where I know that I try

1243
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: to get my scent to pull in an area where

1244
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't expect any dearer to be or come from,

1245
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: or I just I just chalk it up as if

1246
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: they get there, then it's it's, um, you know, I'm busted.

1247
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: And that's that's part of the game type of deal.

1248
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: We talked about all these scenarios now where we're thinking

1249
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: about trying to manage where our scent is going, where

1250
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: are smoke is going. Um, And so we've talked about

1251
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: ways that we can think about thermals too to our advantage.

1252
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: We've talked about ways that we can use wind direction

1253
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: to our advantage. Um, what about actual tools or products

1254
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: that can help us deal with this? So there's a

1255
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: there's a bajillion different scent control products out there, UM, ozone,

1256
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: sprays cover sense, YadA, YadA YadA. From your experience thinking

1257
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: about this and putting a lot of these things to

1258
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: the test, do any of those things work really well

1259
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: to combat some of the wind issues or is there

1260
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: anything that you recommend over another or thoughts on that

1261
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: in general? Um, well, I've never I've never fought with

1262
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: the ozone. It's become of nations basically because it just

1263
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: didn't really spend the one to spend the money on.

1264
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: Um Uh. I do keep all my clothes and sent

1265
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: free tubs. Uh you know, I Washman sent free determindent,

1266
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: I sprayed down um sometimes are and put you know

1267
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of cover song on my boots type

1268
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: of deal. I keep my boots and separate tubs. I dress.

1269
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: You know, when I get out of my truck in

1270
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: the morning, I have with them out. I stayed on

1271
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: a dressed I answer all those I think it makes sense. Um.

1272
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: I trying to keep the foreign smells too, as as

1273
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: minimum as I can, but I rely more on trying

1274
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: to understand the wind direction and just keeping my scent

1275
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: from getting to their nose. I really feel like, you know,

1276
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: knowing how well they smell. Um, I feel like if

1277
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: you're no matter what you're doing, if you're sent you know,

1278
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: the human gets to it ears nose, they're gonna know it. Now,

1279
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: how they react to it is the you know, is

1280
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: the difference. Um. I've hunted urban areas you know, in Ohio,

1281
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania that are beer just used to to human

1282
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: spelled they're used to. Yeah, they're almost a different animal

1283
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: from some of that. You I grew up hunting into

1284
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: wods of Pennsylvania, so you can get away with some

1285
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And I think even a step further,

1286
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: I think something are just have different personalities. You know.

1287
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd ever had a way of

1288
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: proven this about this saw. Some dude, older deer just

1289
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: didn't seem to decared, you know, and then I hear

1290
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: the littlest things set them off, just like some deer.

1291
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, last year, I was hunting the buck that

1292
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: was a falling a five year old, and he reacted

1293
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: so negatively to you know, the grunt, the weeze, or

1294
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: rattling antlers. I mean literally, if I grotted at him,

1295
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: if I were weed at him or rattled antlers at him,

1296
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: he turned around in the other direction. And he was

1297
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: one of the oldest dude on the floor and one

1298
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: of the biggest. Um. I think it was his personality.

1299
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't know what it is.

1300
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he was beat up a lot as a kid.

1301
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Uh, you know, but it was. And

1302
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: other dear, it's just on the flip stead. I've had

1303
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: told you to come in all bristled up and just

1304
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: challenge you. So I do believe that they have personalities. Um.

1305
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: And I think some deer or more tolerant those things.

1306
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: When they smell it, some get curious. Um. I've had

1307
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: deer followed my cent trail, you know, to the tree.

1308
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: Well you would think they would turn around and run,

1309
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: and especially more so it does than bucks. But they

1310
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: they're very curious. They want to know, you know, what's

1311
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: going on over there and where is this thing at

1312
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: that I'm smelling. I don't think they necessarily associated with danger,

1313
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: but it's something that they want to investigate. Towny Year

1314
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with it too. Um you know,

1315
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: early season when they haven't been hunting for pressure, you know,

1316
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: throughout the summer, I think their guard maybe a lot

1317
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: lower on the on their you know, a lot further

1318
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: down on the scale of what they learned to And

1319
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: then you know, you enter into five or six weeks

1320
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: of both season and followed by a gun scene before

1321
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: you know it, like in Michigan and Pennsylvania, million hunters

1322
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: have been in the woods. You know, they're just triggered

1323
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: by the smallest thing. So I don't tell me. You know,

1324
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: late season is way different than the early season as

1325
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: far as a lot of those those alarming factors, if

1326
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: you will. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I've seen a

1327
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: lot of the same things there. Um so so further,

1328
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to get your thoughts over there,

1329
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: because for me, this whole topic of wind and understanding it.

1330
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: This is definitely one of those light bulb moments for

1331
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: me too. And I and actunately hunted for like eighteen

1332
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: years or something before I really started paying attention to

1333
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: win the way you should have. I probably would have

1334
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: done a whole lot better as a teenager if I

1335
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: was sharpened up on this Um. But when I finally

1336
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: did things start clicking. Now you're more of an adult

1337
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: onset hunter, late teenager on set hunter. Um. When you're

1338
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: hearing all this stuff from Ryan, where where are your

1339
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: questions still at or what are what aren't recovering that

1340
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: you that you're curious about. I mean, you've you've hit

1341
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: on a ton of stuff, and you've got to have

1342
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: like a notebook or something with all these with all

1343
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: these specific scenarios for different stands, because I don't know

1344
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: how you keep this all straight. Um. But you know,

1345
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: I didn't start really thinking about Thermal's mark until Jesus.

1346
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: It was probably on your elk count a couple of

1347
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: years ago, Um, when we were talking about strategy and

1348
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: where we wanted to be in the morning and in

1349
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: the afternoon, And then I kind of started thinking about

1350
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: that for deer hunting, but definitely not to the level

1351
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: that I should be. And I'm kind of having a

1352
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: moments right now talking with you Ryan, um about the

1353
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: place we hunted in Ohio. Um, there's just so any

1354
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: different scenarios that you're talking about, like, oh, that's why

1355
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: that buck did that, and that's why that dough you know,

1356
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: winded me there or you know, even the buck that

1357
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: I shot last year. UM, he came in right where

1358
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: he should have and I had a perfect wind, but

1359
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: he knew something was up. And I'm just kind of

1360
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: I want to go back and look at historical weather

1361
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: data because I think it was a calm bay and UM,

1362
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, just thinking right now, he could have very well,

1363
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, caught my cent just because of the thermals. UM.

1364
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's like fascinating stuff. UM. One thing

1365
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on, um Mark you kind of

1366
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: asked my question about uh, you know us flat landers

1367
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: here and like you know where I'm hunting in southeast Michigan,

1368
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of photography. UM. You know

1369
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: other than water, Ryan, are there any like there's sort

1370
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: of natural features, UM and flatter areas that that could

1371
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: have an effect on you know, your thermals or the

1372
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: wind current. What are those kind of things that you're

1373
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: looking for in the flat areas? In the flat I mean,

1374
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: it could be any that's the flatter you know, you know,

1375
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: I know where they're talking about, um, those islands of

1376
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: trees and it could definitely alter wind wind current, UM

1377
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: air current. If you will, you know. So if you

1378
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: got a bit you know you're talking about you know,

1379
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: some of the agg agg areas where you have you

1380
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: know two hunderd acre corn fills and uh you know

1381
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: tannic or stand of oaks or you know what have you.

1382
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: Um those areas could definitely alter the wind the air

1383
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: current for sure. So any structure, anything that is rising

1384
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: above the air surface um and would allow you know,

1385
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: just like if you were displayed, if you were you know,

1386
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: had a chin hoose and were stand back and spraying

1387
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: water on it, you know what. You know, however, it

1388
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: would deflect or reflect that water. You know, whatever could

1389
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: do that to the air with you know, will in

1390
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: fact do it. The difference being out there is it's

1391
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: something gonna do it for a little bit of the time. U.

1392
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: What I mean is like if it would deflect or

1393
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: or you know, flu deflect the air, it would get

1394
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: back to its normal course rather quickly because it's not

1395
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: bouncing off of you know, five different things like in

1396
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: a region of of high topography. If that makes sense, Yeah, yeah,

1397
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: I got you cool. So if do you have a

1398
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: fault question, Josh, or should I pivot to another question?

1399
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm good there. You know, I

1400
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: think I'm good. I just need to I need to

1401
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: spend more time building fires and tree stands. Please don't

1402
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: do that on any the farmers I hunt during the season. Um,

1403
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: and I'll get in there and start a fire to

1404
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: let you know how to go. Yeah, you have to

1405
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of time. And that's all stuff I did.

1406
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: You know before I had any sense of responsibility as uh.

1407
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: And my mom used to saying that time me and

1408
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: she would just say, your head on all the amount

1409
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: of time I was wasted trying to figure out how

1410
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: to shoot it to hear, you know, And then she

1411
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: would tell why do you think these things smart? Hit

1412
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: him in my carner all the time? Yeah? I hate

1413
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: that when they said that kind of thing. It's not

1414
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: quite that easy to do. Um. So speaking of how

1415
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: it's not quite so easy, here's the here's the crux

1416
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: of the deal, though. I feel like for a lot

1417
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: of guys, when we start targeting this mature deer, one

1418
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: of these big first aha moments for a lot of

1419
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 1: us is understanding, oh wow, the wind is really important

1420
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: because deer have these incredible noses and we gotta make

1421
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: sure they don't smell us. So step one is figuring

1422
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: out how to try to keep deer from smelling us.

1423
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: Step two seems to be, though, how do you understand

1424
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 1: how a mature buck uses the wind to his advantage?

1425
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: Because right, that seems to happen a lot. And then

1426
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: with that knowledge, how do you hunt him? So how

1427
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: do you manage to keep this buck from smelling you

1428
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: but also be in the place where he wants to

1429
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: be because of the wind that he's trying to use

1430
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: to his advantage. That's like the the crux of the

1431
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: whole deal. Can you talk about I guess the first

1432
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: step being how you see mature deer using the wind?

1433
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: Are there any consistent things like mature bucks tend to

1434
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: want the wind doing x, or when they're gonna bed

1435
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: they tend to wire or anything like that As far

1436
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: as how you see mature bucks tending to want to

1437
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: use the wind or used to rain to take advantage

1438
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: of wind. Yeah, um, And again they can never say never, right,

1439
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: because there's almost the never. You know how that works.

1440
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: It's just there's always something you know that's gonna throw

1441
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: a variable there. So I'll say this, when we say

1442
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: a mature deer, you know, it's all in the abbe

1443
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: hold or some mature deer three. Some don't call mateer

1444
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: mature deer until they're five. UM. And I think with

1445
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: it's each age class, each extra year they have from

1446
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: three on take gains just a little more knowledge. But

1447
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: on the flip side, I think the order they get,

1448
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: the less they move to. So let's say order from

1449
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: after they're staking five. In my experience, I've noticed that

1450
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: their home ranges become smaller, their core ranges, core areas UM,

1451
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: and they move less but more deliberate. So for the

1452
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: most part, I like to say, you know, and again

1453
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: there's always somebody out there remember this one time when yeah,

1454
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, anything can happen in a while. But for

1455
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: the most part of my experiences, UM, the mature dear

1456
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: order age class dear tend to move. I think they

1457
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: like to move with the wind quartering at their rear.

1458
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: So basically, if you think of you know, the cone shape, UM,

1459
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: when it gets their nose, if it's quartering to their rear,

1460
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: like they that gives them the biggest sense of security

1461
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: with their nose and then they obviously can see what's

1462
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: in front of them. And how I used to study

1463
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: this UM and they said, actually, how Barry and Jean

1464
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: did this back in the seventies. Uh, they cue me

1465
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: on it, but um, it should be late season or

1466
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: in the wintertime. And again in Pennsylvania playing snow as

1467
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,919
Speaker 1: Michigan you could do this, but um, I would purposely

1468
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: walk around and try to jump a mature buck in

1469
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: its bed right and then track it backwards. Um, so

1470
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: when I knew it entered its bed undisturbed. Um. And

1471
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: then followed the toofprints in reverse and saw how they

1472
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: maneuvered from wherever they came from feet or he's this

1473
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: originally to get to hear and this that and the other,

1474
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: and how they used you know, how the wind was

1475
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: blown that day. So there's a ton of information to

1476
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: be learned from their tracks. And if you have a

1477
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: compass and under you know, know what the wind did

1478
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: that day or the day before, uh, and how they

1479
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: used the wind to get to where they where they

1480
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: were going to tape the deal And it was really

1481
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: I learned probably more on that with mature buck moved

1482
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: during you know that type of deal. And I did

1483
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: that for I still do that. That's you know, it's

1484
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of like my early shed hunting. If I get

1485
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 1: out and you know, January February type of deal. But

1486
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm purposely looking for any and if I

1487
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: don't jump a buck, you know, you can tend to

1488
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: see a buck bed over a dough bed if it

1489
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit bigger. Some of the urine marks

1490
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: in the snow and stuff, Um, I just track them

1491
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: backwards just to see how they were moving. Um, younger bucks,

1492
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, the year and a half and the two

1493
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: in the house, they seem to be very sporadic, just

1494
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: kind of all over the place, like you know, and

1495
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: equated to people humans if you will, like a year

1496
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: and a half old block, I kind of equate to

1497
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: like a thirteen year old boy to nineteen year old boy.

1498
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, think of how active you were in that

1499
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: time frame. And then a two year old buck or

1500
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: two and a half year old buck to be over

1501
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty, still pretty happy, you know, you still

1502
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: have that immature this to you, but you still, you know,

1503
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: kind of settled in your ways a little bit. And

1504
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: then obviously thirty and forty, you're just getting more set

1505
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: on your ways. You tend to move last. You know,

1506
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: you don't go to the gym as much you're getting heavier, um,

1507
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: and forty you know, forty to fifty to be year

1508
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: four and a half year old, you know, same type

1509
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,919
Speaker 1: of thing. And then I noticed their core areas getting smaller.

1510
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: I noticed their betting areas becoming posted closer together. I

1511
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 1: didn't notice they betted in different areas. It's really surprised.

1512
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: One buck in particular, Um, and he did this for

1513
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years in a row. He betted right

1514
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: next to the highway. Uh. And he tended to only

1515
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: do it in gun season, and I only it was

1516
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and Ian it was he was literally at

1517
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: the time, you know, would have been a really nice buck,

1518
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean nice buck anytime. But then there wasn't a lot,

1519
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, it was he was the eleven point, like

1520
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably right at one forty and I

1521
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: killed a buck with my bow that season, and um,

1522
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you get one buck in Pennsylvania,

1523
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: you're done type of deal. So I was, you know,

1524
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: sitting the bench in gun season and I actually was,

1525
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, just out riding around the first morning a

1526
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: gun season, like opening day a gun season, and PA

1527
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: is a huge deal. And it was just the right

1528
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: daylight and I actually cut this buck going into his

1529
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: band area. I watched, I watched him bed down the

1530
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: snow on the team and uh, I rode past him.

1531
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: Four days in a row he was still laying in

1532
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: the same squat and never I mean, obviously he probably

1533
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: got up at nighttime, but he went back there to

1534
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: bed four days in a row, and then on the

1535
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: last Saturday or a gun seasons two weeks, he was

1536
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: still there on the last Saturday. So he had found

1537
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: that little spot. And I never saw him there again

1538
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: ever after that. And then the following year I purposely

1539
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: went and watched for that. It was just to see

1540
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: and it was actually it was in a pretty high

1541
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: pressured area and lo and behold that buck a year

1542
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: later was betting in that same area. So it was

1543
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: fascinating how he had found you know, literally, I'm talking

1544
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: like a half an acre just deepending on what the

1545
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: highway to his back and he just you know, looked

1546
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: down through the what's type of deal and it was

1547
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: like almost in a little triangled area. Um, and you know,

1548
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: he just found the place to do safe. And I

1549
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: don't know if any hunter killing him, because I knew

1550
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: someone hunters at other end I can only imagine that

1551
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: he probably got I bet he ended up getting hit

1552
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: by a car, because a lot of deer get hit there,

1553
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, after they would have shared or stuff like that.

1554
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: And it was crazy to me how he knew that

1555
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: that road could keep him so safe, yet it was

1556
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: probably what ended up killing because I don't think the

1557
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: hunter killed him. I would have I lived right there.

1558
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: I was sure enough had heard about it. But anyway, um,

1559
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: I learned all that, you know, I would go in

1560
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: there and follow his tracks and see how they moved

1561
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: and such. That's a great way to do it. That

1562
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: that's uh, it's it's so hard to tell what a

1563
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: buck is thinking or or factoring into his movements if

1564
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: you're just like seeing him and at point now, like

1565
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: if you show him show up, he pops out into

1566
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: a field, and if you try to make assumptions about

1567
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: how he got there, it's it's really easy to make

1568
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: the wrong assumption without doing what you just said, actually backtracking.

1569
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: Like that's such a smart way to do it. And

1570
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: obviously you can't do that during hunting season without probably

1571
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: blowing things out to some degree. But that's a really

1572
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: smart idea to do that in the postseason and and

1573
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: and be able to take those lessons to learn and

1574
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: apply them to the future year. Um. And that's probably

1575
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 1: why I'm such a poor stand hunter because of that

1576
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: type of stuff that looks for ship. But you know,

1577
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: back to, each deer has its own individual personality, and

1578
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, back to for the majority of hunters out there,

1579
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: if you hutting a specific deer, to do that too.

1580
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: It's still beneficial to you to know how de your

1581
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: move and just play those odd You know, the deer

1582
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 1: you may be hunting may or may not be on

1583
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: that you know, but that's okay. If you're you're still

1584
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: at it. You're stacking the odds in your favor. So

1585
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you can and again those

1586
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: aha moments when you it sounds like a lot. I'm

1587
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: sure that your listeners, you know that aren't versed in this,

1588
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, this is way too much information.

1589
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: I never hunting again. It's crazy. It does sound like

1590
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 1: a lot. I get that. But if you just start

1591
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: like thinking about a little bit and piecing it together,

1592
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: and you know, and the next time you're on piece

1593
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: little morning next season, it's a little more then all

1594
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden it does click and you're understanding. You

1595
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: can look at the weather station and you see the

1596
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: wind direction and you know from past experiences you know

1597
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: what this. You know, whatever stand you have on this

1598
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: north ridge of the morning works little why and you

1599
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: know you can position you know, you know which way

1600
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be using that. It's because historically, you know,

1601
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: traditionally speaking dear older age class box tend to move

1602
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: this direction. If they come the other way, then that's

1603
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: okay too. But you know, you it's all about stacking

1604
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 1: those odds in your favor, especially if you don't have

1605
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: a specific form that you can hang you and you're

1606
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: out and an odd hunting specific deer. Yeah. Yeah, And

1607
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: and this is definitely one of those advanced topics that

1608
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: that we're getting here. We're diving deep in the weeds.

1609
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: So if if you are new, do not feel bad

1610
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: if this is like whoa, this is a whole lot

1611
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: of crap. Um at the at the very basic level,

1612
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, start kind where you said, Ryan, Um, this

1613
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: is one of those things. As you dive deeper and

1614
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper, that's when it's okay to start thinking

1615
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: about things to this degree. Um. Do not feel bad

1616
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: for being a little overwhelmed if if you're if you're new. Uh.

1617
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: That said, though, we're gonna continue going down the advanced

1618
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: path for those who are at that point in their

1619
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: hunting journey. So if we're thinking that the deer as

1620
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: you described in some way or another are using wind

1621
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: in their favor to move, the issue I've you know,

1622
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: always think about that is okay, if if I if

1623
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm expecting this deer to come to where I'm standing, like,

1624
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: if that's what I'm hoping for right where I'm sitting

1625
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: in a tree, I'm hoping he's gonna come here. But

1626
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: if that happens, and if we believe that a buck

1627
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: is usually going to be moving with the wind some

1628
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: in his favor so he can understand what's happening to

1629
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: some degree, many times that means that he's going to

1630
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: have the wind blowing towards him, possibly from where I am,

1631
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: although I guess the scenari you painted is a little

1632
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: bit more rear in quartering. So maybe you can get

1633
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: away with what I'm going to describe a little bit better.

1634
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: What I'm what I'm basically trying to get at is

1635
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: can you talk to me about how you think about

1636
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: setting up in situations where the deer has the wind

1637
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: in their favor, but you also have the wind in

1638
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: your favor. Um, Can you describe how you think about

1639
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: that and lay out how that might work. So this

1640
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: is where it gets. This can get into you know,

1641
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: the really advanced level and off into the wheats. But

1642
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: there's two There's two ways I hunt, Like if I'm

1643
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: going into there's two different scenarios I can and I

1644
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. But if I'm hunting a specific

1645
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: deer like I was this morning, or not really hunting

1646
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: that deer, but in that scenario, a deer I know

1647
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of form, I know well, and I'm probably

1648
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot any other deer than than that type

1649
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: of deer. I almost want I try to position to

1650
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: myself where my wind is almost wrong, if that makes sense, um,

1651
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: because that when I know how the deer using the

1652
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: terrain to get from point A to point being what

1653
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: they're doing. And let me rewind. The time of year

1654
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: plays a big role in that as well. I'm speaking

1655
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: specifically speaking, you know, from the middle of October to

1656
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: first of December, so not not those two weeks of run.

1657
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: But when those deer up on their feet, you know,

1658
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: trying to find a girlfriend type the deal for the

1659
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: most part. So they're they're covering as much ground they can,

1660
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, while they're on their feet and they're using

1661
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: their nose to do it. You know, they're they're if

1662
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: they're older deer, they tend to be lazy, and they're

1663
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: trying to cover as much ground they can find every

1664
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: septide as quickly as they can. And get with that though,

1665
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: and then you entered a lockdown phase or whatever. But

1666
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: so how how in my mind, I don't want my

1667
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: wind almost wrong so almost paralleling like it's it's it's

1668
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: real close to being wrong, but so close to being

1669
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: like you're never going to get it better for getting

1670
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 1: is deer. You know inside of that twenty yard and

1671
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: rewind I stumbled on it. There's I still do a

1672
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: hunt with a recurve some but there was five or

1673
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: six us where I specifically hunting the recurps. Say again,

1674
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: I took that, you know, my fifty yard range moment

1675
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 1: from a compound found the twenty yard and recurp. So

1676
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: you just gotta figure those those spots out. And then

1677
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: also not only the wind direction being on this wrong

1678
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: the perfect spot, you know, being a really nearrow funnel

1679
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: where you almost kind of have them pinned in there,

1680
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, type of deal. Like when they're there, you've

1681
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: got wind in your favor and they're inside of your

1682
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: wheelhouse and they have no idea that they just just

1683
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: walk right into the trap type of deal. Um, that's

1684
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: the perfect scenario. But that's the somebody again hunting a

1685
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: very specific deer, probably with history with it and knows

1686
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: the ground really well, you know, and understands how the

1687
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: wind moves around the ground and such. Um. For the

1688
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: most part, when I get asked that question, or if

1689
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm explaining to people like, uh, you know, the different

1690
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 1: way is you're hunting an age class of deer, not

1691
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: a specific deer. So let's just say some of your

1692
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: listeners just want to hunt an older age class gear.

1693
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: So let's just say, you know, we're just loving for

1694
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: a two year old deer, you know, we want to

1695
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: killing a nice buck type of deal. Then what I'm

1696
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 1: trying to do is position myself to where if in

1697
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: my scouting missions or when I'm looking to talk down maps,

1698
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to identify those areas that are gonna hold

1699
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: fig numbers of deer, you know those and fallings and such,

1700
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to look for those key areas

1701
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: that those transition areas that that or those hogbacks or

1702
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: funnels or whatever they be that connect those areas. So

1703
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: you gotta abating areas. Some calls over here and you

1704
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: have another one over here, Well how do they get

1705
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: from there to there? And then how can I get

1706
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: to you know, in between those areas the most undetectable,

1707
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 1: and by most undetectable, not walking through their way, but

1708
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: also taking a step further. I don't I think there

1709
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: are a lot of hunters mess up by waw came

1710
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: to that perfect spot within mind that they're gonna hunt

1711
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: the perfect wind, but while they were walking there, they're

1712
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: set was blowing to the area that they're expecting. The

1713
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: deer tay frm, you know as well as deer snow.

1714
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that much deer just

1715
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: was sent on me, you know, especially out West Montana, Miami.

1716
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: I know guys that do deer nudge is if you will,

1717
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: from a half mile away, just using their scent, that

1718
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: run deer on the block. September just by letting their

1719
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: their sent drift into the block September. So it's one

1720
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: thing to say of camin X tree stand and I've

1721
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: got everything set in my favor. I expect the deer

1722
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, to be to the north and me moving

1723
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: from east to west. The wind is only the northwest

1724
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: and my sense going to the southeast, and this is

1725
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: the perfect transition point between those two spots. But yet

1726
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: they parked, you know whatever, three hundred yards from that

1727
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: that that area, and that they walked to their stand

1728
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: with the wind blown with into that area. So you

1729
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: have I think it's just as important to keep in

1730
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: mind entering and exiting with the wind end in your

1731
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: favor as well hunting into me in your favor. So again,

1732
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 1: when you're just hunting an age class of deer in

1733
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: that you know, five or six week time frame when

1734
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna be on their feet the most in their

1735
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: life they're out there, do you want to find those

1736
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: those areas that they're gonna use their nose to check,

1737
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: uh for receptive those and find those transition points in

1738
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,799
Speaker 1: between those hogbacks and those funnels that connect those areas,

1739
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: those little drainages. There's a little just those little things,

1740
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, where they narrating where you know they're gonna

1741
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: walk through, and and you can even manipulate that. I've

1742
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, I've cut tree down and and and I've

1743
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: even built snow fence. Uh you know that snow fence

1744
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: so as you can alter movement with that UM on

1745
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: a big ridgeline. Um. You know, I've I've struved that

1746
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: stuff up throughout the woods. And and you know at

1747
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: an angle you don't want it on a ninety, but

1748
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: as an angle, just like if you were to dump

1749
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: water on it, you know you wanted to go in

1750
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: a certain way. Uh, deer would come across that and

1751
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: they would get to that that orange snow fence. It's

1752
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: something like thirty set or thirty inches high twenty seven

1753
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: inches high. They don't jump over. It's amazing to me

1754
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: that they come to it and then they just fall it,

1755
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, like where at the angle you have it

1756
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: on and then you stop at like eighteen yards in

1757
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: front of your stand type and there they are. UM

1758
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe check your laws. But I know

1759
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: I think got an aisl one time, and it's not

1760
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: able to do. There's only a sixty yards snow fence,

1761
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: but it altered their movement. Um, so you can do that,

1762
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: and you know you when you're I was hunting with

1763
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: the recurve, so I needed, you know, in that that

1764
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: twenty yard range type of deal. So three interla. There's

1765
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: two two different styles that are hunt. I'm hunt a

1766
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: specific here. You know, I'm really getting advanced level there.

1767
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to try to almost have if

1768
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: I think that that he's doing most of his moving

1769
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: with the wind, you know, quartering to him a little bit.

1770
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: And again town of years have a lot to do

1771
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: with that. If he's if he's if it's the heat

1772
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: of the moment, like you know, there's two weeks in

1773
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: November and October and November kill Thanksgiving, then I would

1774
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: tend to think they probably move a little bit more

1775
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: of the wind and they're using their nose to get

1776
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: around rather than trying to stand alive. Their focus has

1777
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: changed just a little bit from that that prey animal

1778
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: and I know things are trying to kill them. They

1779
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: want to stay alive. That's my best way of doing

1780
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: that too. I'm trying to read and you know, sorry

1781
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: young type of deal. So, uh, that movement can change

1782
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I still I still use the

1783
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: wind just where you know it's it's a very touchy

1784
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: wind right there. It's hard to explain on there if

1785
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: from doing a good job of it. No, you are,

1786
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: you are? Um, I want to I want to throw

1787
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: an example out at you of my own situation and

1788
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: kind of here, um, what you think about some of

1789
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: my ideas on this, or kind of putting what you're

1790
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: talking to into into actions. So I've got this deer

1791
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: I've been hunting forever. Everyone knows I've been talking about

1792
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: this stupid deer forever. We'll we'll call him h And

1793
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I've got a spot on the edge of one of

1794
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: the main betting airs he hangs out, and that's that's

1795
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 1: to the west of me. I'm sorry, to the east

1796
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: of me, and I can't hunt in there because it's

1797
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: on the a ring landowners. So we often, though have

1798
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: westerly winds blowing from my side of the line into

1799
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: the bedding area where he's at. I've always assumed though,

1800
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: and based on pictures in the past, he most often

1801
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: comes out to my side of the line when we've

1802
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: got those kinds of winds, Because as you're talking about,

1803
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: he wants to have like a southwest or northwest or

1804
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: west wind where he can see what he's getting or

1805
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: smell what he's getting himself into. He's trying to use

1806
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: that usually quartering too into some degree when he's gonna

1807
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: come out to feed or check does or whatever in

1808
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: this area where there's there's a food source that a

1809
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: lot of does come to. But I have also historically

1810
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: hunted this area decent b now over the past three years,

1811
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: trying to kill this dear. So I've always thought I

1812
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: can't hunt there with a due west wind because it

1813
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: blows right into that stuff. Um. But I've always always

1814
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: the one time I've tried, or when I try to

1815
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: hunt him is usually when there's like a northwest wind

1816
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: or maybe a southwest wind, because I kind of, as

1817
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: you're alluded to, I think I can maybe cut the

1818
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 1: corners there, um, hoping that he's more west of me,

1819
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 1: You're sorry, more east of me, so that I'll go

1820
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: kind of angled beneath him. He'll still want to come

1821
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: out that way because he's got a quartering wind. It's

1822
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: in his favor. My hope being that the wind angle

1823
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: will be just enough off of that where he's coming

1824
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: from that will slip past him. So that's usually snare.

1825
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I try hunting it in UM. So that's how I've

1826
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: done the past. Sometimes, though, do you end up still

1827
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: catching my wind because I am blowing in the general

1828
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: direction of the bed and cutting the bottom of it.

1829
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: So I've gotten blown out a handful of times doing that,

1830
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: and I'm almost excuse me, always kicking myself like ask you,

1831
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that. Um. He never showed up,

1832
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: probably because I spooked some does and alarmed the whole area. Man,

1833
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: I can't talk. But going back to something you mentioned

1834
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: the beginning thermals and pressure, I'm wondering if I might

1835
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: be able to better get away with this kind of

1836
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 1: scenario if I'm in a situation where I have one

1837
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 1: of those light wind days where I have a high

1838
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: pressure day that's pulling up my there. So maybe I

1839
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: hunt this when I have that kind of quartering winds

1840
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: like a northwest wind. It's just off of where I

1841
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: think he is. But I might be able to get

1842
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: away with it even better if I waited for that

1843
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: scenario with the high pressure that's kind of pushing my

1844
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: wind up on Maybe that kind of lightish wind day.

1845
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: UM is my way of thinking through this the way

1846
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: you envision people thinking how to make these decisions, factoring

1847
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: in thermals, pressure, wind and how dear use all that. Yeah,

1848
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: But when I think, I don't think, I don't think

1849
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: like the every day bow hunter deer hunter goes into

1850
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: it like that. I think you know wind and thermals,

1851
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: or you could probably take thermals and air currents and

1852
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: how the equation. It's just when you talk one oh

1853
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: one and most people think of it wind and more

1854
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: so wind direction. Um. What you're explaining, I think is

1855
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: a very advanced level. When I think, you know you're

1856
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: probably onto something there. You know, again, those high pressure days,

1857
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: light air days, UM definitely give you the advantage. Then

1858
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: I think that quartering wind, if you almost that wrong wind,

1859
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: as long as it's as long as you know it's

1860
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 1: not going somewhere and hitting something and edding back into

1861
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: the area where you think is holding that deer, you know,

1862
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: I think that's probably your best bet. But I you know,

1863
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: i'd be I'd check on that first to make sure

1864
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: you know you'd somehow inadvertently your sense not entering that

1865
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: deer's betting area even when you think you have the

1866
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: wind direction, nail it down. But to answer your question is, yes,

1867
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: how you're looking at it, I think it's a very

1868
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: advanced and I wanted it's a correct way to do it. Um.

1869
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 1: But I think probably most deer hunters, you know, the

1870
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, the one oh one version is just you know,

1871
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: the winds coming out of the north, and I want

1872
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: deer north of me, so I want, you know, my

1873
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 1: sense to the south. That type of deal. Very basic. Yeah,

1874
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: and then a great place to start, Yes, absolutely. Um.

1875
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: One final thing on the wind side of things that

1876
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on is when it comes to all

1877
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 1: this stuff, does any of this change if you're hunting

1878
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: in a ground blind or a box blind versus a

1879
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: tree stane um necessarily changed. I found in a ground

1880
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: blind that it seems to be they're just they're just

1881
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 1: more in tune, I think, because maybe it's because if

1882
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: my thermals are going up, I'm on the ground, so

1883
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm down on their level. And then you know,

1884
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: quite on the on the flip side of an evening,

1885
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: if I'm in the ground blind, usually on a food plot,

1886
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: so then it usually is an evening in the early season,

1887
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: and um, I just find dear when I'm on the

1888
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 1: ground at their level of an evening. When I know

1889
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: the thermals are coming down, I just feel like they're

1890
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: high learned all the time. UM. Let's say I haven't

1891
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: had luck. I've I've had, you know, instances in luck

1892
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: where what they weren't alarmed, But um, it's I think

1893
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: it definitely gets trickier in the ground blind depending on

1894
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: the situation. You know, close quarters I like to call it.

1895
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: If you're in somewhere tight expecting them to be close

1896
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: to you. Um, you know you you you have to

1897
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: take in a lot of consideration to your scent and

1898
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: then also the noise that you make inside of it. Um.

1899
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: I've not had I've hunted out of the tower blinds

1900
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: in Texas. UM, but I don't have a whole lot

1901
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: of experience out of them. I basically hunt lock on

1902
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 1: everywhere else, lock ons and ladder stands. Do you do

1903
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 1: you think that any of these things when it comes

1904
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: to how you're thinking about wind do you think any

1905
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: of this is different in a public land or heavily

1906
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: pressured area versus big private property that's well managed and

1907
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,560
Speaker 1: very little hunting pressure. Do you see any of this

1908
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: do you would you think about differently at all in

1909
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: those two scenarios don't necessarily differently. You know, I think

1910
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: the more information you're armed with again stacking those odds

1911
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 1: in your favors of benefit. Um. I think being able

1912
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: to apply a lot of the you know, this type

1913
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 1: of thought process on public land. Uh, it is more

1914
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,719
Speaker 1: difficult to do just because you probably don't have history

1915
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: with the animals trying to hunt. Um, you may not

1916
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: have as much knowledge of the topography because you know,

1917
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: most public lands are pretty big areas. Uh, the pressure

1918
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:09,919
Speaker 1: factor goes up. So I think the deer are definitely

1919
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: you know, they may move less, they're very you know,

1920
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 1: probably more on hotler, depending on pressure. So it just

1921
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: makes it more difficult to apply. But if you do

1922
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: understand it and can't apply it again, you're putting those

1923
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: odds in your favor for sure. Um. But you know,

1924
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 1: I hunted a lot of public land, you know, and

1925
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 1: honestly back in the day when you know, when I

1926
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: was just you know, late teens, early twenties, and I

1927
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: didn't even have a treat and I did a lot

1928
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: of hunting off the ground. I did a lot of

1929
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: steel hunting. Um, when the weather was right for it

1930
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: or you know, I did a lot of bow hunting

1931
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: in the rain and a rainstorm and just just sneak

1932
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: around and check on different areas, and I've shot a

1933
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: lot of deer off the ground, um, And you learn

1934
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: a lot when you get in close quarters like that.

1935
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: You know, scenarios tend to play themselves out more because

1936
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: you have a bow and you're on the ground and

1937
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever, he couldn't get a shot off

1938
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: or this, that and the other. So just so the

1939
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: simple fact that you're there in experiencing it in a

1940
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: scenario is playing out um. Whereas if you were a

1941
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: down home or you know, maybe you weren't even there,

1942
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't learn anything from it. So just

1943
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, you put yourself in those situations,

1944
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,839
Speaker 1: you get to learn from it. Um. I think access

1945
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: is the hardest thing on public plan especially. You know,

1946
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: when I was hunting a lot of public land, a

1947
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of it was really hard to get to and

1948
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: you worked your butt off, you know, to get to it.

1949
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: You're tired by the time you got their type of

1950
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: deal and then you know, you had a hunt all day,

1951
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 1: change your clothes and you know this that you know,

1952
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: so it's definitely a unique set of challenges for sure. Yeah.

1953
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: And I know that I know that access, entry and

1954
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: exit and all that is something that that you really

1955
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: focus on is an important part of your hunting strategy

1956
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: when you're tireding mature deer. Um. And you alluded to

1957
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: it a little bit earlier when you said you want

1958
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: to make sure your winds not blowing into areas you

1959
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: think the deer are going to be when you're coming

1960
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 1: in and out. Um, can you can you give us

1961
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: some more detail into what you think about when it

1962
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 1: comes to accessing and exiting properties and and anything like

1963
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: the more advanced ways you go about trying to get

1964
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: a good entry and exit. Yeah. Um. You know, when

1965
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: I've been set up a property or new property type

1966
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: of deal, uh, you know, I look at the top

1967
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: of the maps and you do some boots on the

1968
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 1: ground stuff, and you know, the late winter, early spring,

1969
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: so you're looking at old sign and you know, just

1970
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: you're seeing where everything kind of comes together and where

1971
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: you need to be, and you know, you put an

1972
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: X on the map type of deal or drop a

1973
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: pin and then you know you look at the parking

1974
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: area and even if it's program and you still have

1975
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 1: areas where you can park type of deal, and then

1976
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: you figure out the best ways in there. Um. So

1977
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: just as you're looking for that stand location, I think

1978
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: it's in the late winter, it's just as important to

1979
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: look for those areas where you think there are going

1980
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 1: to feed come the upcoming both season and where they're

1981
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: gonna you know bad the upcoming both season. So where

1982
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: they're at, where they're gonna be coming from, and where

1983
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna be going to. And then you say you

1984
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: have okay this, you know, you find in the areas

1985
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: just tore up with sign, rubs and scrapes and you know,

1986
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: inside edges and you know, has everything. Uh, then you

1987
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: want to ask yourself, well, I know that you were here,

1988
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: they laid down all the sign where did they come from?

1989
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: So then you need to find okay, and you men,

1990
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, late winter you're looking at tracks, you know,

1991
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: and you're following backwards and you find a couple of

1992
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,560
Speaker 1: thickets here and there or hill set its and you

1993
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: know it maybe you know probably that time of year

1994
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: it's just south facing slope to catch the morning sun

1995
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 1: and that type of deal. And then you look at

1996
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: all that so you have on your back you know

1997
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: where you want to hunt, you know where you think

1998
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: the majority that you're coming from, um, and even where

1999
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna go if there past you type you know,

2000
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 1: once they passed you, and okay, then here's where I park.

2001
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Now how can I get there? You know on a

2002
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: predominant in my areas, you know, the predominant winds or

2003
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 1: south southwest and west. Uh you get a lot of

2004
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: noitherally winds in late October, early November. So I'm gonna

2005
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: park only a couple of specific areas no matter what.

2006
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: Usually even you know, the most private farm, you know,

2007
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,799
Speaker 1: you probably only have a couple of specific parking areas.

2008
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: And sometimes you're just gonna walk way out of your

2009
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: way and you may have to walk driving upstream bed

2010
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 1: or down the hard top road. I've done that a lot.

2011
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: You know. One of the neighbors where I hunt, he

2012
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 1: thinks I'm crazy, which just me, you know, me parting

2013
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: my truck at the barnom and you know, I walked,

2014
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 1: you know, between a quarter and a half a mile

2015
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: down the road past his house and and then it

2016
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: was above his house, and you know he's like, what

2017
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know type of deal. But you know,

2018
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: then I get into a drainage and you know, I

2019
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: sneak my way into a stand. It makes all the

2020
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,560
Speaker 1: difference in the world, you know where and when you

2021
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: start doing that stuff and paying attention to entering and

2022
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: uh leaving a stand site undisturbed hunting, undisturbed deer, your

2023
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: deer sighting, one of those talking buck sightings. But you

2024
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: know when you're going to stand, like you specifically when

2025
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 1: when you were going into a stand not paying attention

2026
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: to that stuff and you see two or three four

2027
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: deer and it's set and everything was good, and you

2028
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: know you're a happy type of deal. And then you

2029
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: really start paying attention to those little details. And when

2030
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: you use you see you know, two or three or

2031
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: four dear, and now you're seeing eight, nine, ten, and

2032
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: three of them were bucks, and one of them was

2033
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: a big shooter, and no one of them the most

2034
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 1: important part, none of them knew you were there. Um.

2035
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: You know that's when it really really cool feeling. Uh

2036
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 1: when to me, it's when you know it's not to me,

2037
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: it's that whole romance to hunting, you know why we hunt. Um,

2038
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,560
Speaker 1: I really really enjoy that part of it. You know,

2039
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to say as much or more than

2040
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: the killing part, because at the end of the day,

2041
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 1: we're all hunters and you know, we want to hold

2042
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: those big as at the end of the day. But

2043
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: there's something about having dear you know, parade past, you know,

2044
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: knowing where they come from, why they were where they were,

2045
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 1: you know, how they got the fifteen yards and shop

2046
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: and that on by you and had no you know,

2047
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: clue in their mind that you were there hunting down

2048
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: because everything was right, uh, and you specifically manipulated it

2049
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: to be that way. There's really something to be said

2050
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: to that that I think, really, uh, you know it

2051
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: really a lot of people are missing out on it's

2052
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 1: too much about the I just gotta get killed. But

2053
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter why how we're aware and yeah, you

2054
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 1: toil the bucket. It feels good for a while, but

2055
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: whenever you really start piecing together of that whole, you know,

2056
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 1: that learning experience or the apprenticeship program if you will,

2057
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: and you become a journeyman, and it's it's a really

2058
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: cool feeling. And I guess it's a sense of satisfaction

2059
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: even like anything you know, you put your your work into.

2060
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 1: You feel better about the type of deal. But I

2061
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: really enjoy that. Oh yeah, that that the chess match,

2062
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: all of the work that goes into that. That makes

2063
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, every time you see the antlers on the wall,

2064
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 1: or every time you take a bite out of that

2065
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: animal when you have a meal, It all makes all

2066
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: those things so much, so much sweeter when you know

2067
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 1: just the level of understanding that was required to get

2068
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 1: to that point, the level of work that was required

2069
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: to get to that point, the level of frustration and

2070
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: failure probably leading up to those successes. Uh man, it

2071
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: makes it all a whole lot more meaningful when you

2072
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: have to go through that to get to your end goal. Yeah,

2073
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's such a hard thing to explain, you know.

2074
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 1: It's of the non hunters or people that may just

2075
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: be hunt a little bit. You know, I didn't understand,

2076
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, but it's like anything else and you start,

2077
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, pouring your heart into it. Um you know. There,

2078
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: it's definitely and there's nothing wrong with you know, being

2079
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: outdoors and enjoying all that. You learn a lot of

2080
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 1: a good Linth lessons out there the time to do.

2081
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just really cool, it is. It is

2082
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: so so speaking of this kind of process though, like

2083
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: getting to the point where we're like you and I

2084
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 1: are at maybe where we really want that difficult challenge

2085
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: um and and figuring out all the details. But also

2086
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: there are some people at the beginning of that journey.

2087
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: We're just trying to find any dear um. It would

2088
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: be an incredible challenge to surmount. Now I'm about to

2089
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: shift topics here, but before I do that, I want

2090
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 1: to take one last break today and think our partners

2091
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: at White Tail Properties. And speaking of new hunters, white

2092
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: Tail Properties puts out a series of YouTube videos they

2093
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: call their land Beat video series. I've been mentioning it

2094
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: every other week here they've got a new video out

2095
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: that I think new hunters especially or really anyone interested

2096
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: in becoming better deer hunter it might be of interest

2097
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: to you. This one dives into trail camera tactics, which

2098
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,839
Speaker 1: trail cameras are one of those most incredible and useful

2099
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: tools for a deer hunter. You can learn so much

2100
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: about dear behavior, about what specific deer doing, or just

2101
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 1: how deer use a property, whether that be a mature

2102
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: buck or doze or young deer. Whatever it is that

2103
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: you want to target. Cameras can help you do that.

2104
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: So this quick video cover some of the basics, including

2105
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: when to hang them, where to hang them, and a

2106
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: bunch of things along those lines. Very simply. If you

2107
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: go to the white Tail Properties YouTube channel, you will

2108
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: see it's the most recent land beat video. It's called

2109
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: Trail Camera Tactics. Check it out, and if you'd like

2110
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: to learn more about white Tail Properties and the properties

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01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 1: they have for sale, you can visit white Tail Properties

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Speaker 1: dot com. Um talking about new hunters, I know, and

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01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shifting here to a totally different topic,

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01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: but I do know that both you and further with

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01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing with the q d m

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01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 1: A are really focusing on hunter recruitment, trying to help

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01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 1: bring new people into the fold. And before we go

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01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 1: too much longer with the podcast, I want to make

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01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: sure we get to touch on that a little bit.

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01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: Is that something you can can talk about a little

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01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: bit what you guys are up to. Yeah, poor, you know,

2122
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: like I said in the beginning of the podcast, and

2123
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: really fortunately towards in the industry, you know, revolving around

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01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: the white tail deer, because that's just basically have been

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01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: my life. Um, and you know, we're at a point

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01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 1: right now with the k D m A and and

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01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the other nonprofit uh conservation

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01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: organizations out there. I mean, we're specifically focused on white

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01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 1: tail deer, but um as they're the number one song

2130
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 1: after big game animal in the country, you know, and

2131
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: you start looking at the business behind that, if you will,

2132
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: you know there's a whole business side of that, and

2133
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: how much money the white tails white tail deer generates

2134
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: and how conservations funded through which I know you're aware

2135
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: of the Pittman Robinson acted such um. You know, the

2136
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: hunter recruitment rate is in a decline and in the

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01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 1: last you know, ten years, we've lost about thirty percent

2138
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 1: of the license buyers. And you know that starts to

2139
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 1: equate two dollars and cents and then obviously a snowball effect,

2140
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,680
Speaker 1: um you know when state agencies have to make cutbacks

2141
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: and and you know, so forth me was the big

2142
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,759
Speaker 1: public lane moving out there, and licensees you know, driving

2143
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: force behind that as well. So you know, a lot

2144
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: of the nonprofit conservation organizations are doing everything they can

2145
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: to you know, try to you know, turn around the

2146
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 1: hunter recruminate at least slow the decline down. Um Like

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01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: I said, we've lost thirty in the last ten years. Um,

2148
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: you know that's that's alarming in and in and of itself.

2149
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: Uh to think that as passionate as I am about

2150
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, white tailed deer hunting, you're hunting in general. Um,

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01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: It's all I've ever done in my life has been

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01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: a hunter. Uh. It's literally all I've ever and I

2153
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine, you know, I don't know what I would do,

2154
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, if I didn't have hunting in my life,

2155
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: and I mean that last I don't what would I

2156
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: do in November. I don't know, you know, Like, um,

2157
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: so to think that this could potentially go away. I

2158
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 1: mean again, there's a lot of statistics out there, and

2159
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: we're not trying to you know, being the sky's falling type,

2160
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, we've

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01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,600
Speaker 1: lost you know, a good amount of hunters in the

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01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,599
Speaker 1: last ten years. Uh. The average age of the license

2163
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 1: Byron right now somewhere around fifty six years old, and

2164
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: in all recents says there's a hard stop at seventy.

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01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: So you know, there, technically speaking or arguably speaking, there's

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01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 1: a shelf life to hunting as we know it did

2167
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: not do whatever, go away. But in the next you know,

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01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen years, you could see a drastic cut

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01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 1: um in funding for you know, this resource that we

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01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: loved to chase around and chairs hope the deal. So

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01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, we're going We've really shifted our focus the

2172
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 1: first you know, we're we're in our thirtieth year. The

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01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: first fifteen or twenty years we were very big in

2174
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 1: the habitat and herd management and overall you know, the

2175
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: wait till dear, you know, health of the herd type

2176
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 1: of deal and in the habitat um and now it's

2177
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, the deer or gonna be okay, we gotta

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01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 1: have people there to hunt them type of deals. So

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Speaker 1: we're really uh focused on the youth. We have a

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01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 1: big youth involvement there. Probably more so are the first

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01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 1: time adult onset hunters. I think you mentioned that you

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01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,600
Speaker 1: talked you called Josh that earlier in the podcast. But

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01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, we find through research that taking a kid

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01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 1: hunting is great, and we always have to continue to

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01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: do that. The problem is, or the catching is if

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01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: you take you know, a young person hunting today and

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01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: they want to that tomorrow and you're not available, then

2188
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: what do they do. You know, they're they're stuck sitting

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01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 1: the bench. Uh. They don't have a job, so they

2190
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 1: can't go out and buy stuff. They can't draw themselves

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01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 1: to the owning property or you know, to a state man,

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01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: whatever they'd be. So you know, we've shifted focusing. We

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01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: among other Conservational visitors, have shifted focus over to the

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01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 1: adult onsets the first time mid thirty mid forty something

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01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: that have always had the desire but maybe nobody's ever

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01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: taught them and asked them to go. Uh And just

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01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 1: as we were talking been earlier. You know, if you

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01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: have the desire thirty five thirty eight years old, sitting

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01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 1: in a cubicle somewhere, you know, have always been interested

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01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: in hunting, but just never had anybody really wanted to

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01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,440
Speaker 1: to take in. It's intimidating to try to do yourself,

2202
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: and it's even more so intimiding, you know to uh

2203
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: maybe ask one of your buddies, you know, in forty

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01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: years on, Hey do you gonna teach me out of hunt?

2205
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: You know, like this watch your thing to do type

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01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:26,640
Speaker 1: of deal. So, uh, you know, we're putting some programs

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01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,680
Speaker 1: out there. We have are sharing your hunt program um

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01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: where filled the fort program or we're trying to get

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Speaker 1: more people involved in hunting. I'm actually leaving from one

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01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 1: in the morning. Uh. It's in north central Pennsylvania. We

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01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: have six first time adult hunters coming into camp. Um,

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01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna hunt Friday and Saturday to sets a day,

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01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 1: morning and evening. Um. We brought them in back in

2214
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: August and went through a training day with prospers. I mean,

2215
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: we teach them dear biology, we do some habitat management,

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01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, everything there needs to know about it. Deal ever,

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01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,720
Speaker 1: teach them how to shoot, and we're gonna take them

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01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 1: hunt to teach them how to porcher deer. And the

2219
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: idea is they want to be hunters, you know, they

2220
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 1: want to source through room protein and sustainability, and we

2221
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: want to hopefully give them enough knowledge to do that,

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01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, within a few meetings with us. So it

2223
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,480
Speaker 1: is definitely a process, but it's definitely something we're extremely

2224
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 1: focused on right now as an organization. And I think

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01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that's I think that's awesome. Um. Now, further, you you

2226
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: have gotten to be involved in this a little bit

2227
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: already yourself, haven't you. How's that been? Yeah? Um, last

2228
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 1: weekend actually I was involved in one UM that was

2229
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: called Learned to Hunt UM, and this one was specifically

2230
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: about deer UM. It's UH. It was kind of a

2231
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: joint effort between uh Q d M, a National Wild

2232
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: Turkey Federation UM, the Michigan DNR Pheasants Forever has a

2233
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: role in it UM and they do these for different species.

2234
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: They have them small game Turkey Pheasant UM. Basically, what

2235
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: it is is we've got UM. We've this This program

2236
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 1: has received grants from the Cabella's Outdoor Fund where they've

2237
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: been able to go out and purchase crossbows and camo

2238
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: and ground blinds UM through that grant, and then also

2239
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 1: different branches UH and chapters will will donate money UM

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01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: for these types of programs. So what we did is

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01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 1: UH I kind of gave like a deer Hunting one

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01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 1: oh one UM presentation on a Saturday morning. We spent

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01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: some time at the range with crossbows and then we

2244
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 1: had there's four people there were supposed to have eight,

2245
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: but we had a just torrential downpours that day. I

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01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 1: think scared some people away, but we end up having

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01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: four people come and UM we were able to go

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01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 1: out with mentors. Then those new hunters were able to

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01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 1: go out with mentors in the afternoon on Saturday and

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01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 1: then Sunday morning. We unfortunately didn't uh harvesting deer that weekend,

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01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: but but they got a processing demonstration and a butchering

2252
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: demonstration and um you know, I think every one of

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01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: those people left and said, yeah, we want to do

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01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: this again. One gal that came had already purchased a crossbow.

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01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: Um So, I mean, these are the people that are

2256
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: going to go out and start contributing funds to Pittman

2257
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 1: Robertson dollars and they can go out and replicate these

2258
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 1: types of you know, they can go they can go

2259
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: hunt on their own whereout where a youth that's gonna

2260
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,759
Speaker 1: need a a family member or a friend or somebody

2261
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: to drive them to a spot where these people can

2262
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 1: go out and do that themselves the next day if

2263
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: they wanted to. Um, so, yeah, I got to do that.

2264
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 1: One one of our branches up in northern Michigan are

2265
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: Tipping the Mid Branch. They're doing a field of fork

2266
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: program where they've got three hunter hunting with mentors throughout

2267
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 1: the season and one of those new hunters shot at

2268
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: buck the first week of the season already and just

2269
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: a ton of great success going on with that kind

2270
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. That's really cool, and it's it's it's great

2271
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 1: to see you guys and the different branches out there,

2272
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, stepping up and ownating their time and funds

2273
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: to make that happen. Because it's one thing to say it,

2274
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot more to actually go and

2275
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 1: actually do these things. So it was I think it's

2276
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 1: pretty awesome, Josh, seeing you going out on these mentor hunts.

2277
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 1: You went and you did the youth hunt, uh. A

2278
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: weekend or two before that, you did a veterans hunt, um,

2279
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 1: and I know you're leaving again next week to do

2280
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: another youth hunt helping out people. UM. So I just

2281
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: want to say that as a friend, I I commend

2282
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:28,639
Speaker 1: you and everyone else out there who is donating their

2283
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: time in this kind of way like huge props. I'm

2284
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: so glad that people are doing that. I need to

2285
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 1: do a better job of doing more of that. UM.

2286
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: I was hoping to be a meet up with you

2287
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 1: guys for that that first time Hunter event last weekend

2288
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: didn't work out. But I need to do a better

2289
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 1: job of that, and I hope that people listening. Hope

2290
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 1: there's a few people listening that maybe are are intrigued

2291
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,599
Speaker 1: by the opportunity to help mentor some new hunters too.

2292
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, Ryan, Um, how can a

2293
01:50:56,240 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: hunter listening get involved and and be able to get

2294
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: involved the programs you guys have out there to become

2295
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 1: a mentor or or helper with some of these things

2296
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 1: you guys are doing well. I mean there's a couple

2297
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: of different ways, and I'm glad you ask um each

2298
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: almost every state now and on every state, if they

2299
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 1: don't have a designated our three coordinators that's retain, react, activate,

2300
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: and recruit new hunters, Um, states are you know, state

2301
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:24,600
Speaker 1: agencies are putting in an R three coordinator if they

2302
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 1: don't have an acting one, uh you know specifically hiring

2303
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 1: for that position they have they usually have somebody within

2304
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: the state that's covering that so that the force thing

2305
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,799
Speaker 1: they can do if they don't want to be involved

2306
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 1: with a K d M, A branch or if maybe

2307
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 1: there's not one close to them, Um, you know, they

2308
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 1: can go through the state through there are three coordinator.

2309
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 1: They can definitely put you in touch with a hunter

2310
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 1: or a group of people or you know, the next

2311
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,839
Speaker 1: event they have coming up, UM, or they can easily

2312
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: seek out a KDUM a branch. I mean we're not

2313
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 1: in everyone's back here, but you know usually there's one

2314
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: anywhere within the way, tells range, within driving distance. UM,

2315
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: reach out to them and and tell them that you'd

2316
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 1: like to be involved, or can be a simple with

2317
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to be involved with a group,

2318
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be involved with the state

2319
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: at R three coordinator. You can just if you're a hunter,

2320
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: you know you can do your part by seeking somebody

2321
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: out and your work with or data heads with, or

2322
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: teaches your white school wherever it may be that one's

2323
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 1: learned how to be a hunter, take them hunting with you,

2324
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: teach them how to be a hunter. Um. You know,

2325
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 1: if just think about it, you know there's somewhere around

2326
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, ten of eleven million deer hunters in the

2327
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: country right now, it's de counting who's doing accounting. But uh,

2328
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,639
Speaker 1: if half of them took one person hunting next year,

2329
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: you know we can fix the problem in one year

2330
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,560
Speaker 1: type of deal. So it could be something this is

2331
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: that simple. Seek out somebody that's never hunted before but

2332
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: has the interested. You know they run in your circles

2333
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: and take the time to take them to teach them

2334
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,200
Speaker 1: to be a hunter. And I know it sounds like

2335
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 1: a lot, and even with me and I have a

2336
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 1: lease in Ohio, and but honestly, I've done this now

2337
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. We've had kind of an

2338
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:00,080
Speaker 1: internal ken m a challenge amongst our staff that you know,

2339
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna seek out new hunters every year, you know,

2340
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 1: and and take at least one per uh. And we've

2341
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: done that and it is a very satisfying and gratifying

2342
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 1: thing to do. Um. You know it's not you don't

2343
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 1: mind doing it once. Once you get involved in seed,

2344
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 1: the level of enthusiasm that these people display, um, the

2345
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 1: appreciation they have for you taking the time out and

2346
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 1: and honestly, you develop some of the best friendships you

2347
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:29,600
Speaker 1: may ever have in your life for hunting. And this

2348
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: is a perfect example of that. So you know, don't

2349
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 1: don't be you know, can be dated by it. Do

2350
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 1: think it's too much or you know, you don't have

2351
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 1: so much time The sport is depending on it. We

2352
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 1: need people out there to teach others how to become hunters.

2353
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: And you know, think of think of it as almost

2354
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a sense of as your responsibility. Uh, just one a year.

2355
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 1: You know. Introducement doesn't have to be deer hunting either.

2356
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: That's another thing. Um, you know, there's nothing wrong with

2357
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: teaching somebody how to be a small game or take

2358
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: them squirrel hunting, take them rabbit right, take them feather hunt. Um,

2359
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, just get them old than the outdoors and

2360
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: let them progress naturally. You know that that's that's how

2361
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 1: we're going to fix this for sure. Yeah. Now on

2362
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 1: the flip side, what if what if someone listening is

2363
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 1: a new hunter and maybe they want to hunt, so

2364
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: they've been listening to hunting podcasts they stumble across Wired

2365
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 1: to Hunt. Somehow they managed to listen to the very

2366
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 1: advanced stuff we talked about without getting discouraged and studying

2367
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: this thing off. What if there's a new aspiring hunter

2368
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: and they're hearing about these programs and they're thinking in

2369
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 1: their heads, WHOA, that would be amazing. I could really

2370
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 1: use a weekend mentor program. That would be such a

2371
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 1: great start for me. How can they get tapped in

2372
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 1: and signed up for a program like this? Where do

2373
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 1: they find that information? The same type of thing our website? Um,

2374
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, we went from last year I think Josh

2375
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: we get I think two or three nationwide, and we're

2376
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna do eighty or twenty this year. Uh and obviously

2377
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: we hope to build on for that next year. So

2378
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: our website we have a long are field defork programs listed.

2379
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 1: You get involved that way and then again, you know,

2380
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 1: through your state agencies and the other three coordinator I

2381
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 1: mean one song called to the state agency, especially with

2382
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 1: a specific R three coordinator. Uh, you know that's their job.

2383
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 1: If you're don't hunt a hunt, they're gonna they're gonna

2384
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: place you within the right people. Uh for sure. Awesome.

2385
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I'll add one more thing to that too,

2386
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 1: is um, there's a lot of different resources out there,

2387
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Like I know, just recently, a lot of us qd

2388
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 1: m A staff just became digital mentors UM on a

2389
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 1: platform called powder hook Mark. I'm not sure if you're

2390
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 1: familiar with that or not, but um, that's a great

2391
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: place for people to check out too and maybe be

2392
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,840
Speaker 1: able to connect with a mentor through something like that

2393
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: where you can find people are willing to take you out. Um.

2394
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 1: And maybe you don't even need something to take you out,

2395
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 1: but you have questions for them. Um, you know, so

2396
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 1: many different ways to connect with with people and this

2397
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 1: day and age, and um, I mean that's do a

2398
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:00,840
Speaker 1: Google search, you can you can sign people, I'm sure,

2399
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 1: get on Facebook. There's groups or you know, like I said,

2400
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: there's digital mentors on this powder hook Um network that

2401
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 1: you can check out. Um So, all kinds of different

2402
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 1: opportunities to get connected with people. Social media has gonna

2403
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: not to interrupted social media. Um. You know Instagram is

2404
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 1: there's a local board, movent. You know, there's a group

2405
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: of people that wants to ares their own protein and

2406
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: hunter and being a hundred you know, one of the

2407
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:26,480
Speaker 1: best ways to do that. Um. So you know, just

2408
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 1: about any avenue of communication you can think of. You know,

2409
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: you can get a home to somebody and and hopefully

2410
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 1: for the most part you're going to find a willing

2411
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 1: mentor out there is going to help be helpful to you. Yeah, Josh,

2412
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 1: can you elaborate on what the digital mentor thing is

2413
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 1: with powder hook Um. What is the service that you'll

2414
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 1: be providing the folks by way of that. So if

2415
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:47,600
Speaker 1: someone's here in this and they're thinking, oh I could

2416
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 1: use a digital network, what does that mean? Well, you know,

2417
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure because we just signed I just signed

2418
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:56,760
Speaker 1: up for it last week. But UM, what I did

2419
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 1: is I basically went on there and put some information

2420
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 1: about myself, UM, how long I've been hunting, what species

2421
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 1: I have been hunting, UM, how far I'm willing to

2422
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 1: travel to to mentor a new hunter. UM. And so

2423
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 1: people can can look they pull up a map or

2424
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 1: put in your zip code and they can find where

2425
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 1: these different mentors are that they can try to connect

2426
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 1: with UM if they're looking for someone to take them

2427
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 1: out hunting UM or kind of asking questions. So just

2428
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 1: kind of a cool networking tool for for new hunters

2429
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: UM to to get involved with people that are in

2430
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 1: their area they just maybe don't know about them. Very cool, awesome,

2431
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 1: And that's the powder Hook app. That sounds like a

2432
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 1: great way to UH to get connected with further and

2433
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: get further take you out to his favorite tree stands?

2434
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 1: All right, can I can I touch on one more thing?

2435
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 1: Let me tell some more UM. And this goes back

2436
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 1: to what Ryan was saying about just you know, we

2437
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 1: need to do a better job as hunters taking taking

2438
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: other people out. And you know, one of the people,

2439
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 1: one of the one of the end Vigils that's going

2440
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 1: through our Field of Fork program up with the tip

2441
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 1: of the mid branch. Um. He has worked for a

2442
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 1: company that is very involved in UM outdoor clothing and

2443
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 1: work UM work where UM and I know that he

2444
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: works every day with other hunters and he is interacting

2445
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 1: with other hunters on a daily basis, and he's just

2446
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 1: never had anybody say, hey, why don't you come out

2447
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: with me? Um. You know, we just did another field

2448
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 1: of Fork I think this one was a New York

2449
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 1: Ryan where Hank New Hampster are New Hampshire, Okay, So

2450
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: there was a gun manufacturer that had people reach out

2451
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 1: to us that they wanted to learn how to hunt.

2452
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: And you you know there's people there that hunt, right,

2453
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no reason why we can't do a

2454
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: better jobs as hunters saying hey, you know, identify these

2455
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 1: people that have shown an interest in it and then

2456
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 1: reach out and offer that lending hand to get him

2457
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 1: out in the woods and um, you know, be a

2458
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 1: mentor to him. We just got to do a better job.

2459
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Very very true. Well, I certainly appreciate what you guys

2460
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: are doing, so thank you Ryan, and further and followed

2461
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: your management association for for stepping up and leading in

2462
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: this way. Um I I hunt a percent agree it's necessary,

2463
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, we need to wrap it

2464
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 1: up here, but I want to give you a chance

2465
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 1: for Ryan, if there's any last plug you want to make,

2466
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: or any last topic we haven't touched on that you

2467
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: really want to make sure you can mention if you've

2468
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 1: got any final parting words, what would you like to

2469
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:34,720
Speaker 1: just share? But I think anything is They know we

2470
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: definitely dove into advance level and I don't. The last

2471
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 1: thing I want to do is is intimidate or scare

2472
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:43,720
Speaker 1: something away from hunting. I think it's important to get

2473
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: out there and do whatever you want to do and

2474
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: enjoy it and uh, you know, just cherished the moment

2475
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: type of deal and it doesn't have to be that

2476
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 1: to you know, it's a lot of fun if it is.

2477
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 1: It's also a lot of fun if you're not taking

2478
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 1: it that serious. So the main thing I want to

2479
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 1: leave people with is, you know, don't be intimidated and

2480
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 1: if you're doing anything, it's better enough and get out

2481
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 1: there and enjoy the great outdoors and being a deer hunter.

2482
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: For sure absolutely agree with that, and I will say,

2483
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 1: and I'll probably mention this at the beginning of the episode,

2484
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 1: so this is the second time you'll probably have heard this.

2485
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:18,600
Speaker 1: But if you are new, make sure can go back

2486
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:20,920
Speaker 1: and listen to that Deer Hunting one on one podcast.

2487
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:24,120
Speaker 1: We did great kind of starting point that will help

2488
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 1: put some of these basic pieces in place, so that

2489
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 1: when you go back and listen to a lot of

2490
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: these other podcasts that we've done that go more advanced,

2491
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 1: you have that foundation and do not. Just like you said, Ryan,

2492
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 1: don't feel bad if some of these things are a

2493
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 1: little bit complicated, because it took all of us, all

2494
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: three of us here talking, you know, years and years

2495
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 1: and years and decades of experience in trial and air

2496
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 1: and start figuring some of these things out and making

2497
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 1: sensitive all on our heads. So um, it's perfectly fine

2498
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 1: to to go through that process yourself. UM. And one

2499
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 1: and more, one more thing mark for for new hunters

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02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 1: is q d m A has got a free e

2501
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 1: book that people can go down mode and that's a

2502
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 1: great resource for new hunters, and um, even people that

2503
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 1: are experienced has some great info in there. It's a

2504
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 1: free download from our website. So I just go to

2505
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: QUTM dot com and what should I search for or

2506
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,400
Speaker 1: is where do I find it? You know, put an

2507
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:15,800
Speaker 1: e book or I think it's QTMA dot com Ford

2508
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:18,960
Speaker 1: Slash e book. I think is a direct um linked

2509
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 1: to it. It's deer hunting one on one perfect. Well,

2510
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:28,680
Speaker 1: that's that's an awesome tool as well. So further, Ryan, big,

2511
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:30,600
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it's been a lot of fun. Ryan.

2512
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:34,120
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed you kind of divulging the the in

2513
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 1: depth wind and thermal knowledge that that I think for

2514
02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 1: those guys who are trying to take things to the

2515
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,560
Speaker 1: next level, for guys and girls want to take to

2516
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 1: the next level, I think this stuff is really an

2517
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:48,200
Speaker 1: important focus area. So I found it fascinating. Thank you

2518
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: for sharing that. Absolutely go further and with that, let's

2519
02:01:55,280 --> 02:02:00,680
Speaker 1: wrap this one up. Okay, and that's to wrap, folks,

2520
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: So thank you for listening. I hope you will check

2521
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:07,200
Speaker 1: out those mentorship programs and get involved like further mentioned

2522
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 1: um and other than that, I suppose I'll just give

2523
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:13,640
Speaker 1: you all another reminder that my new wire hunt content

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Speaker 1: will be featured and shown now on the meat eater

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Speaker 1: dot com. It's a new website for meat Eater, Inc.

2526
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Speaker 1: Which is the new company and a part of Now

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Speaker 1: with Steve Ronella and a handful of other folks. Lots

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Speaker 1: of cool new content. They're not just my stuff, but

2529
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 1: Now stuff from Steve, stuff from Ben O'Brien and Hunting Collective,

2530
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 1: stuff from April Okey and Anchored uh at war A

2531
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 1: Garcia and all sorts of other people will be showing

2532
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:40,560
Speaker 1: up there soon. Check it on out brows around, lots

2533
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 1: of interesting stuff. With that all said, I hope you're

2534
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna be in the tree here soon. I hope you

2535
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 1: have an amazing hunt and hunt's coming up. Hope the

2536
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:52,240
Speaker 1: wind is in your face. I hope that big bucks

2537
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:54,360
Speaker 1: will be running into the bottom of your tree stand,

2538
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:56,920
Speaker 1: and I hope you shoot straight. So until next time,

2539
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:00,280
Speaker 1: good luck out there. Thank you so much for following

2540
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 1: along and being a part of the Wired Hunt community,

2541
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:09,840
Speaker 1: and stay Wired to Hunt. M