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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. There, I got a question for you ahead a second.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I do. Okay, so listen, listen up

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Speaker 3: here bub Okay. So this is ridiculous in many senses,

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Speaker 3: but sort of like ridiculously hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous to the touch, ridiculous to the ear.

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous. Yeah, okay. So ev P not I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: about electronic voice phenomenon. I'm not talking about Executive Vice

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Speaker 3: Press ev as a first name, P is a last initial.

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Speaker 2: Ok.

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Speaker 3: EVP sent us an email I was a person ev P. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and she sent it Dear Elizabeth. Nice, so it was

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Speaker 3: forwarded along to me. It's amazing, okay, cool, And so

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Speaker 3: here's the title. The subject line Dr Pepper more like

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Speaker 3: doctor Crime, right, and I was like, tell me more.

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Speaker 3: And it's not a mashup. It's a mash up between

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Speaker 3: a listener and being absolutely hilarious and apparently awesome. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: so let me read this to you. Sorry that the

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Speaker 3: subject line didn't really make sense. This is the first reason,

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Speaker 3: Dear Elizabeth, I love this. I'm not writing to you

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Speaker 3: to alert you of a crime that has happened, but

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Speaker 3: instead of one that should happen. Here's what's up. The

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Speaker 3: recipe for Doctor Pepper is a big secret. Only four

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Speaker 3: living people know the full recipe, and apparently the recipe

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Speaker 3: is kept in a bank safety deposit box. But not

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Speaker 3: just one bank. The recipe is in two pieces at

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Speaker 3: two different banks, in two different safety deposit boxes in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: So I think you can see where this is going.

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Speaker 3: That's right, a heist, But how do we pull it off?

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Speaker 2: Like where your head's at?

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Speaker 3: I know, right, here's my fool proof plan. One. Break

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Speaker 3: into Doctor Pepper HQ and steal the files detailing the

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Speaker 3: location of the banks.

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Speaker 2: Good start.

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Speaker 3: Two decipher the code, which I suspect there will be

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Speaker 3: in the files. Three heist two banks in Dallas, only

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Speaker 3: to discover no RECIPEO. Four realize the recipe isn't in Dallas, Texas,

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Speaker 3: but in Dallastown, Pennsylvania. Five. Hire a crew including an

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Speaker 3: explosives dude, slash dodet, a getaway driver, and most importantly,

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Speaker 3: a razzle dazzle expert. Six steal the recipe and then

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Speaker 3: it's my favorite emoji with the sunglasses. Oh the guy

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Speaker 3: with sunglasses. Seven, hide in a cave with seemingly limitless

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Speaker 3: supply of all the necessary ingredients. Eight drink doctor Pepper course,

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Speaker 3: nine whatever the heck we want. Ten realize nine steps

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Speaker 3: as a stupid number of steps. Add another step, and

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Speaker 3: that's it. Signed your rudest rude Dude EVP. Fun fact,

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Speaker 3: doctor Pepper is not considered a cola or a root beer,

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Speaker 3: but instead a pepper soda by the FDA. What peppersoda?

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Speaker 2: Interesting?

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Speaker 3: So I was going to write an entire episode acting

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Speaker 3: like this was a crime that the rude dude pulled off,

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Speaker 3: and then also insert in there that, yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: the razzle dazzler of course, and just kind of like,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, look it's I'm in there. I'm actually

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Speaker 3: living this, and this is a confession I couldn't I

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Speaker 3: couldn't beat this. And I feel like you'd figure it

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Speaker 3: out that this wasn't a real crime. It's just a potential.

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Speaker 2: Crime only by the time you got to But you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Have like this strong track record of mashups. But sometimes

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Speaker 3: you got to take a breath. Sometimes you got to

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Speaker 3: take a beat and say I want to do something

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Speaker 3: a little bit different. Sometimes you got to dream about

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Speaker 3: robbing a bank vault for a doctor Pepper recipe.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, EVP.

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Speaker 3: Right, she came through.

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Speaker 2: Oh real one, I know.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm just so excited to share this. I've

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Speaker 3: read it like three times and I just was dying

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Speaker 3: share this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Is that ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Certified?

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Speaker 3: Certified?

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Speaker 2: You know it's also ridiculous? Elizabeth A psychic horse?

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Speaker 3: Wait to what now?

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's all I'm telling you about this one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, saddle up, buttercup. This is Ridiculous Crime, a

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Speaker 2: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's

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Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous, ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth sar got a question for you. Yeah, we've talked

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Speaker 2: about pet detectives we have, right, that was fun. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember how Paris Hilton hired a team of pet

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Speaker 2: detectives to find her lost chihuahua? I do remember that

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Speaker 3: What was your third favorite part of that?

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Speaker 2: I like babs, bring them back, bring them back, no

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Speaker 2: doubt this time. Well, I got another one for you,

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Speaker 2: another psychic animal story. Okay, yeah, now he ever wondered

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Speaker 2: what it's like to own a psychic horse. All the time,

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Speaker 2: I figure you did, I've You've told me your dreams

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Speaker 2: and the ridiculous crime headquarters.

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Speaker 3: I'm out there shoveling muck in the gutters and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: what would be what would it be like right now

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Speaker 3: I just think about it.

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Speaker 2: It's let that idea run through your imagination, through your

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Speaker 2: thought exercise mental theater. Well, if you ever thought about, maybe,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, a goat with a gift for prophecy.

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Speaker 3: That's another exercise. When I'm pulling up my neighbor's lawn

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the night and I'm like, what

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Speaker 3: if I had a prophesizing goat.

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Speaker 2: And then she played carrots? Or what about a jackass

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Speaker 2: with the case of prognostication.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's another thing. When I am eating the shingles

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Speaker 3: after I've pulled up another neighbor's line, I was like,

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Speaker 3: let's talk ghats.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're in luck. I got a doozy for you.

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Speaker 2: I got a jackass. Yeah, I know, but I'm still

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to limit you. You know, you may

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Speaker 2: want to talk about goats and jackasses in order.

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Speaker 3: And just goats first, that's a jackassy.

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Speaker 2: Well, in case this ever happens again and someone other

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Speaker 2: than me ask you if you've ever heard a story

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Speaker 2: of a psychic course. Yes, I wanted you to be

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I need one in my pockets.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want you have to say I'm trying. I'm

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Speaker 3: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: You ever heard of Beautiful jim Key?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, that was the name of my first Irish ska band,

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Speaker 2: Beautiful jim Key.

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Speaker 3: Second one was called eighteen people on stage.

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Speaker 2: thirty six for the Charlie O'sha's Happy Hoppers. You remember that. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Beautiful jim Key. He was a horse, actual, he was

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Speaker 2: a sensation at the turn of the twentieth century, famous

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Speaker 3: From the nineteenth to the twentieth or the twentieth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, from the nineteenth to the turn of the twentieth century. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: It was claimed he could both read and write. Read

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Speaker 5: and write Elizabeth. Yeah, literate horse, and I mean this

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Speaker 5: horse when I say literate. He could quote the Bible

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Speaker 5: what Yes, specifically, Beautiful jim Key was able to cite

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Speaker 5: He was really about the horses.

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Speaker 2: In the Bible.

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Speaker 3: It's not always about you.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to see if there's salvation for a horse

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Speaker 2: like him. Anyway. He could also do math, right, so

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Speaker 2: up to the number of thirty. Right, Yeah, so that's

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Speaker 2: hired and I can count. So anyway, how is this possible?

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Speaker 2: Was this just one super smart, like highly personable horse.

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Speaker 2: Kind of the real secret He was his keeper, a

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Speaker 2: was instead a black man, a formally enslaved person who

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Speaker 2: became a self taught country veterinarian and thus doctor. He

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Speaker 2: doctor Key and his horse, beautiful jim Key. They put

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Speaker 2: on one hell of a show, right. They would travel

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Speaker 2: the talented equine, and it was also intended to be

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Speaker 2: a rolling billboard for the growing Humane Society for the

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Speaker 2: Treatment of Animals Your people, Elizabeth. So Doctor Key and

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Speaker 2: Beautiful jim Key. They would roll into town. They put

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Speaker 2: Doctor Key urged his audience to treat animals with kindness.

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Speaker 2: To make his case, he pointed out how he never

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Speaker 2: had to use a whip on Beautiful jim Key, and

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Speaker 3: Look at my boy, Beautiful jim.

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Speaker 2: Now beautiful old jim Key. He also impressed someone else

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Speaker 2: He was at an exposition in Tennessee, Tennessee, and the

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see that.

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Speaker 2: So that's one story of a super smart horse, right,

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Speaker 3: Did you know that McKinley wore five inch heels?

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Speaker 2: What do you really know?

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Speaker 3: Go on?

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Speaker 2: So my next story for you is what about a

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Speaker 2: horse who may or may not have been psychic? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You ever heard of Clever Hans?

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Speaker 3: Never?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it sounds like something you could order off

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Speaker 2: a menu in Germany at like a Triple X health spa.

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Speaker 2: I will have the Clever Hans.

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Speaker 3: No, it's like a little boy at a candy store

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Speaker 3: where they sell it out of the barrel and he

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Speaker 3: figures out a way to drill a hole.

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Speaker 2: In the bottom all and they name it candy after him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Candy.

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Speaker 2: Clever Hans Now the horse born eighteen ninety five. That's

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Speaker 2: the O. G. Clever Hans right now. By nineteen oh four,

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Speaker 2: internationally famous Elizabeth the Horse was known around the world.

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Speaker 2: That same year, nineteen oh four, in a special extra

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Speaker 2: addition to The New York Times, The Gray Lady published

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Speaker 2: a profile of the super smart horse, and I quote

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Speaker 2: in and out of the way part of the German capital,

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Speaker 2: a horse is now shown which has stirred up the scientific,

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Speaker 2: military and sporting world of the fatherland. It should be

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Speaker 2: said at the very outset that the facts in this

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Speaker 2: Prussian min of Education, by the famous zoologist Professor Mobius,

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Speaker 2: director of the Prussian Natural History Museum, and by other

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Speaker 3: They're like, not facts from my feelings, they're actual facts.

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Speaker 2: Back to The New York Times, Hans is an expert

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Speaker 2: Well. It was said that Hara von Osten might ask

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Speaker 2: See I would. But anyway, clever Hans was a trip

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Speaker 2: A psychologist Oscar in nineteen oh seven, he Oscar he

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Speaker 2: The horse had been trained to perform by using positive

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Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, the story manages to take take a

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Speaker 3: Oh he didn't eat the horse.

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Speaker 2: No, but good guess on where this story is going.

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Speaker 2: What would this brainy stallion do now that harevon Ousten

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Speaker 3: Clever something that like he would have like maybe had

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Speaker 2: He didn't like to talk about this. Well, let's take

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Speaker 2: tell you the story of the psychic horse that I

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Speaker 2: the Psychic Horse. Elizabeth, Elizabeth, I got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: You ready to meet Lady Wonder the Psychic Horse.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm a little nervous.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna love her.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just curious. What do you imagine when I

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Speaker 3: Just like this horse that is just radiating out rays

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Speaker 2: Kind of like a lady good diva, like long flowing hair,

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Speaker 3: But like a horse like Lady Wonder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, to lay out the basics, Lady Wonder was

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Speaker 2: The horse was from Richmond, Virginia, you know where that is.

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Speaker 2: The local papers they often like to write about her

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Speaker 2: remembrances from the Richmond Times dispatch date Monday, October eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. Quote, she was just a horse, of course,

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Speaker 2: and dividing horse. And as many fervently believed, a mind

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Speaker 2: new story dedicated to celebrating a local legend. I really

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Speaker 2: it's like turned up to eleven, It's amazing. Lady Wonder

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Speaker 2: born on February ninth, nineteen twenty four, lived until March nineteenth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, thirty three years. Elizabeth, did you know

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Speaker 3: I did not know.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that either.

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Speaker 3: I thought, like, the bigger the animal is shorter, the

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Speaker 2: The opposite short smaller animals. Think about a small.

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Speaker 2: Oh, actually, dogs is a bad example, But like, think

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Speaker 3: How long the elephants live.

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Speaker 2: Like human lifetime?

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Speaker 3: With you, so don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Back to the Richmond Times dismisses for nearly two generations

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Speaker 2: to a messenger of God. The Richmond News Leader carried

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Speaker 2: as if she had been the governor. Oh wow, oh yeah, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what where do we go wrong?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But the horse is also a subject

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Speaker 3: Converse che speak its languages.

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Speaker 2: Oh you died to just wait it's about a curl

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Speaker 2: But it was actually even wilder than that, because, according

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Speaker 2: its trainer owner if it was true that quote Senators, judges,

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Speaker 2: the trainer was quick to point out that neither President

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Speaker 2: the advice of said psychic. Course, there is yes, the

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Speaker 2: no president of the United States is going to come

442
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: down here to Richmond to consult a horse, and they're

443
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 2: not going to invite a horse to the White House. Okay, naturally, right,

444
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 2: But there's more, Elizabeth, as the owner confessed, I know

445
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: White House staffers were here, and several times in the

446
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: early forties, various military officers addressed some very serious questions

447
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: to a horse as to the best time and place

448
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: for the Allied invasion of Europe.

449
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 3: I think we now know late night phone calls to

450
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 3: Lady Wonder.

451
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: She just said that Lady Wonder helped time D Day.

452
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: I just love that a psychic course picked the day

453
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: and date of D Day. Anyway, eat your heart on,

454
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan.

455
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 3: Like, who's going to argue this?

456
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: I know? Okay, enough about the legend. What was Lady

457
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: Wonder like as a horse and as a psychic The

458
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: horse was owned and trained by the Fondas, Not Henry Peter.

459
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 3: I was so excited.

460
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: Instead, it was Claudia Fonda.

461
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: And her husband, the other Fonda.

462
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: The Fondas had a neighbor named Ivy Stone.

463
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: Were they Fonda the horse?

464
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: Oh? There you go, so Ivy Stone, who lived next

465
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: door four years. She said the Fondas were an unremarkable couple.

466
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: They had no children, and they kept to themselves. She

467
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: makes it sound like they're serial killers. They're kind of quiet.

468
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: I never would have suspected them of having a psychic course.

469
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: So Ivy Stone is also a highly quotable eighty eight

470
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: year old. She recalled for a curious newspaper writer that

471
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: the psychic course Lady Wonder was like, and as Ivy

472
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: Stone put it, quote, she wasn't a pretty horse. Nobody

473
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: would ever say that just an old, sway backed mayor.

474
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: There wasn't anything special about her except nobody. After Ivy

475
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: Stone takes a long pause and as if to let

476
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: the silence make space for some woo woo. She then

477
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: comes back and she recalled how the perplexed neighbors felt

478
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: about the psychic course, and I quote, well, it was

479
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: just how did she learn her ABC's everybody said, it

480
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: seemed like she knew what you were thinking. I remember

481
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: that before she'd answered, she looky in the eyes, like

482
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: human eyes. I'd say, hey, yeah, right, So what was

483
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: up through this rather unattractive browns way back mayor with

484
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: psychic powers and a deep penetrating stare. So the Fondas

485
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: originally had purchased the horse to work the fields. It

486
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: was just meant to be like, just go out there

487
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: and plow right, plow horse until it drops right. However,

488
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: missus Fonda noticed that her new mayor had this curious

489
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: ability to anticipate people what they would do, what they

490
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: might say. It was as if the horse knew before

491
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: the people did.

492
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: How is the horse expressing this? I think the eyebrows

493
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: at the.

494
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: I think it would start to go and like anticipate

495
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: what they want to do next. I don't think she's

496
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: given them like a wink from you know, like hey

497
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: missus Fonda.

498
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: Well know, like someone says something and.

499
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Who brought this clown? So what does this farm woman

500
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: do now that she's found out that her horse may

501
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: have special powers? No, she taught the cult to master

502
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: alphabet blocks like you would a small child.

503
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: It's like when they those people who have dogs and

504
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: they have the likes the floor and they can't talk,

505
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: which is both phenomenal and terrifying.

506
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: Totally out out, out let out.

507
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like. But then some of them they're like

508
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: dad sad, Yes, yeah, gone, and they're like, wait where

509
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 3: is he? Dad? Broken? Dad sad? Like wait where is he?

510
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: And then they'll sleep.

511
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to know what animals

512
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: are thinking at all times. I mean I do like

513
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: a dolphin. I think hearing what a dolphin's interior monologue.

514
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: Might They're very smart with dogs too, Like there are

515
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: some dogs that I feel like they would just mess

516
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: with you, you know, and just tell you things that

517
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: aren't true.

518
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: I think dolphins would try to pick up You haven't

519
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: seen how much they're trying. There's a lot of stories.

520
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: About well dolphins also are like, you have cancer, like, dude, yes.

521
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: Of course, I don't know why I'm laughing so hard

522
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: that you have cancer, but yes, I.

523
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: Have give the collar one on every animal you do,

524
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: you have cancer. And then it's all you smell like

525
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: a tire fire has nothing to do with the cancer,

526
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: like I know you have bad hygiene, like, okay, enough,

527
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 3: and then the dog's all just like purkles. You're like,

528
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: oh god, just you know a range of intelligence and animals.

529
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: I really like it. I love where your head up?

530
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: Please proceed?

531
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: Okay, where was I?

532
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 4: All?

533
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: Right? The alphabet block. So teaches the smart horse to

534
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: read and uh or at least to tell letters apart,

535
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say teaches it to read. Eventually, Lady wonder

536
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: knew all twenty six letters. Okay, right, So then at

537
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: age three, she decides, you know what, this is not enough.

538
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go ahead and let you all know

539
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: what I can really do. She makes her first big prediction.

540
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 3: So she go out to the barn and the letter blocks.

541
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: It's like all sea tech astronomy on there.

542
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 2: No, basically it's not quite but it's it's kind of

543
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 2: like that. Well, In nineteen twenty seven, all of America

544
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: was talking about Lady Wonder after the psychic Courus predicted

545
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: the outcome of the big heavyweight boxing match of the day,

546
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: Jean Tonny versus Jack Dempsey. Now you may not remember

547
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: the name Jack Dempsey, but he was the big favorite,

548
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 2: took the underdog to win. Then came the another by

549
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: the way, the underdog won, Geane Tunney defeated Jack Dempsy.

550
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: So then comes the big run of accurate predictions after

551
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: this point. So nineteen twenty nine, Lady Wonder correctly predicted

552
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: the Wall Street crash before it occurred. WHOA very next year,

553
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Lady Wonder made national headlines for a second time after

554
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: she correctly predicted that FDR would win the nineteen thirty election.

555
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: Wait, I can understand like a fifty to fifty chance

556
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: of who's going to win this boxing match, and when

557
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: she doesn't get it right, they just don't tell anything

558
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: exactly did she predict the crash?

559
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: Oh just wait, Wit, she just.

560
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: All like shaking her head and everybody.

561
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: She just like sell your sigh. So so, so the

562
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty shots a good point because basically that's

563
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: a political election, right, It's like, oh, you just picked

564
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: one or the other, right, that's like exactly the World Cup,

565
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: all right, okay, but she picked the FDR. Lady Wonder

566
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: picked FDR to win before he was nominated.

567
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: M hm, well then how did she she just.

568
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: Picked him to be the next president? Someone asked, who

569
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: was the next president? I'll I'll tell you. Remember the letters.

570
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: She's using the letters, right, I'll explain in a second.

571
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: But uh so she also picked a Truman to be Dewey,

572
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: which is the opposite of that famous newspaper cover at

573
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: the beginning of Cheers, Right, she uh one of the people.

574
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: Know you know.

575
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: My future exactly. My favorite of Lady wonders early predictions

576
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: has to be when she correctly predicted that the person

577
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: who stole the Lindbergh Baby was spoiler alert Bruno Houtman.

578
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: Oh, we'll see you by that story.

579
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: Just like with FDR. This was months before this was

580
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: an obvious conclusion.

581
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: And she spells out Disney Bruno Houtman.

582
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: Yes.

583
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 4: Now.

584
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: A little while later, Lady Wonder also predicted the fall

585
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: of the Fourth Republic of France. Now, people, they sculpted

586
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: that one because like they were like, what are you

587
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: talking about? Look at the mighty defenses that France built

588
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: following World War One, Lady Wonder, It's like, ahha, your

589
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: imagine old line. And in nineteen forty, Lady Wonder, she

590
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: was even proven correct when the Nazis invaded France easily

591
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: skirted the imagine a line and boom, fourth Republic of

592
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: France indeed fell.

593
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: And then it's like cut to Lady Wonders, she's wearing

594
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: a brain.

595
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Now, who's wrong? Now? Uh oh, here's one for you, Elizabeth. Okay,

596
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 2: Lady Wonder also accurately predicted a California earthquake, and when

597
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean predicted, the psychic course correctly called the time

598
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: and the place of the earthquake that was.

599
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: A southern California one.

600
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the big way, I forget this.

601
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get the year anyway, it doesn't.

602
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Matter obviously, and I went a psychic course has this

603
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: kind of track record. People get curious, right, Scientists also

604
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 2: start coming around. They offered to test Zianamo entered. Doctor

605
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Thomas Garrett, new York psychiatrist, hes skeptical of the claims

606
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: that are being made about the psychic courus. He's like,

607
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: show me the horse until Lady Wonder found what had

608
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: been misplaced, or rather stolen in his own life. Yes,

609
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: Doctor Garrett was still upset, grieving, mind you, that his

610
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: beloved dog had died while he was born out of kennel.

611
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's like nightmare number one.

612
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: Yes, Lady Wonder heard about the beloved dog. The psychic

613
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: chorus said, that's not the real story. Now, Lady Wonder

614
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: tells Doctor Garrett that the kennel had sold the dog

615
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: to someone living in Florida. Doctor Garrett listened to the

616
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: psychic chorus, then followed up on that one clue and

617
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: Elizabeth good news. Though he found his stolen dog. It

618
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: was indeed alive and living down in Florida.

619
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: Out of town. How are the Fondas just like the

620
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: greatest criminals of all time? He just set up. They kidnapped.

621
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: Everything. Yeah, everyone has to come through and get clear.

622
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: It's from the Funda, Yeah exactly. Okay, I'm thinking about

623
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: moving against the Lindberg's right.

624
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: What day, But the horse is gonna rat on him.

625
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: So this is the craziest one yet you're ready, at

626
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: least to me, this is the craziest one. The Hungarian

627
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: born photographer and author Leslie Kuhn, who was the co

628
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: author of the book Modern Hypnosis Right, once met the

629
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: psychic chorus. Now Kun tried to ask a question that

630
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: was sure to stump the mind reading horse. Skeptical like

631
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: you are right, The author asked, lady wonder what Greek

632
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 2: word was one a letter of the alphabet, two a number,

633
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: three a symbol, and four a noun. The second horse

634
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: thought about it for a long moment, then she answered

635
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: the question with one word omega, which was the course correct,

636
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: that's the answer right now. Leslie Kumon wasn't satisfied. He's like, okay,

637
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: let's you may have gotten right.

638
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: Let's d.

639
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: Give me the drill. So he asked, lady wonder, how

640
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: do you say the word five in Hungarian? Though the

641
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: horse answered O O T right. I may be pronouncing

642
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 2: that in correct, But which is correct as an answer

643
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: if you're spelling it out? Now? The skeptical Hungarian he

644
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: could only point out that the second course had forgot

645
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: to include the umlau over the Oh that's all he's got.

646
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: But still, how is this possible? Elizabeth exphabet did the

647
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: horse answer the question? These are all great questions, Elizabeth,

648
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. The horse had its own special

649
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: horsey house that the Fondas had built on their farm.

650
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: The special horse gets a special house, right. The horsey

651
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: house also was like a question booth, so kind of

652
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: like Lucy from the Peanuts cartoon strip. What I'm saying

653
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: is the horse worked from home, all right. So yeah,

654
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: Missus Fonda had taught her super smart horse to no

655
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: her letters. Next, Missus Fonda had had her husband construct

656
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: a handmade horse sized typewriter.

657
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: Stop, how big is a horse?

658
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: What did I just say, Elizabeth? A horse sized typewriter?

659
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: Saying my question to you? Thank me for asking?

660
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 6: Thank you?

661
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: So big is a horse sized typewriter? And does the

662
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: horse depress the keys with this the nose or the hoof?

663
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: Okay, to answer your questions in order? How big is

664
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: a horse? That's how big a horse sized typewriter is?

665
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: Now?

666
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: Second question the nose?

667
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: With the nose?

668
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: So, the handmade horse sized typewriter was built of scrap metal.

669
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: It had two rows of English letters. The typewriter keys

670
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: were covered in this spongy rubber. Then the horse would

671
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: lower its nose onto the typewriter key that would trigger

672
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: like a bracket which would release hinge which they would

673
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: then make like a tin card with a letter or

674
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: a number pop up into view. Then that's how the

675
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: horse would answer the lady Lady Wonder would spell out

676
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: her answers.

677
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so getting ding in my mind, it's like

678
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: this crazy steampunk contraption basically, but it's not like a

679
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: giant piece of paper.

680
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: Not like.

681
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: Letters in front of you.

682
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: So just like it's like one of those remember those

683
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: pianos from like for kids from long ago, with the

684
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: mouth that would open when you'd play it.

685
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: Just one of your dreams. No, I don't. I don't

686
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: remember a South toy. I don't remember a piano with

687
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: a's like Cessame Street characters or something.

688
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't make it up. That's what I'm imagining,

689
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: but like make it steampunk everything.

690
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: It's a very it is. It's a more like steel

691
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: and iron but less. Let's just say, yeah, they weren't

692
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: worried about like biological like germs and stuff that there's

693
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: no copy lead Elizabeth mostly lead. So the handmade horse

694
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: sized typewriter it did.

695
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: I will never get past that.

696
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: It didn't have a numlaou key. So that's why he

697
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: couldn't answer that question. But anyway, now, when you have

698
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: a psychic course with this sort of accuracy streak, eventually

699
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: even notable scientists will be willing to come and investigate

700
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: and put their name on a journal paper or two.

701
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: So enter a skeptical scientist. They famed doctor jb Ryan

702
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: of Duke University. He traveled up to Virginia to study

703
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: the psychic course. And Elizabeth, I'm gonna make you wait

704
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: for it. No, yes, We're gonna take a little break

705
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: and when we get back, I will tell you what

706
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: jb Ryan did once he set up shop at the

707
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: fond of farm.

708
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Elizabeth, oh zaren Okay, So there's this giant of

709
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: still trying to picture the giant type, Yes, well that

710
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: exists today. Can I go look at it at a

711
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: roadside attraction?

712
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

713
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: I do not know for asking, Thank you for asking.

714
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: I do not know if it still exists. So where

715
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: were we?

716
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

717
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: That's right, doctor J. B Ryan of Duke University. He

718
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: travels up to Virginia to study the psychic course. He

719
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: sets up a little science zone, a little cozy science zone.

720
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: Right.

721
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: You know I love a cozy zone.

722
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: I know you do. And so it's in the past year.

723
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: Imagine a cozy science zone right. For the next few weeks,

724
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Ryan conducts five hundred tests on Lady Wonder. One of

725
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: these tests was to ask the psychic course what was

726
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: the cube root of twenty seven? The horse correctly answered three.

727
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: When Lady Wonders asked what was the cube root of

728
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: seventeen twenty eight? The horse could not answer. Could you, Elizabeth, no,

729
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: what's the CUBO say?

730
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to cut you off right there.

731
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: I will admit I only happen to know this one

732
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: because of number theory. It's a big number of number theory.

733
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: It only happened to know answer numbers.

734
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 6: I know.

735
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: It sounds so strange, right, I don't know the cube

736
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: root of twelve, but I know it because of number theory.

737
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: That's how I do math. Anyway, It's twelve. So once

738
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: he was satisfied, Ryan published the results of his study

739
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: on the side course in the Sober and Serious Journal

740
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: of Abnormal and Social Psychology. In his journal paper, Ryan

741
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: noted that quote Lady Wonder, it seemed responsive to telepathy

742
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: and possesses a degree of psychic power. Huge news, wild

743
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: doctor says horses psychic.

744
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: But I'm not seeing this as psychic. I'm seeing this

745
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: as like HyperIntelligence and communication. But it's not like what

746
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: number am I thinking of?

747
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: Well, because the only way that she would have known

748
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: what the how to say five in Hungarian is because

749
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: she's reading the mind of a Hungarian standing in front of.

750
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: Her, or she reads Hungarian and gets the paper. Hello.

751
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Good point. So the New York World they published an

752
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: article on the psychic corse that was causing all of

753
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: Lady Wonders many coast to co sensations of publicity and fame. Right.

754
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: But as with any news of the strange, the craze

755
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: eventually passes. So despite reaching nationwide fame in the nineteen twenties,

756
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties, the nineteen forties, Lady Wonder the Psychic

757
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Course gets pushed off the front pages during the war years.

758
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: I'd say so she remains a local legend. Folks keep

759
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: coming out to see her and ask the Psychic Course

760
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: for her advice, including the President's men for advice on

761
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: the timing of D Day. Right, But time passes, and then,

762
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: like a strange cosmic clockwork, in nineteen fifty two, she's

763
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: once again a front page sensation because now the psychic

764
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: course has begun to help the police solve crimes. Yes, yeah,

765
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: So what if a human being Elizabeth, Well, this is

766
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: my question. What if if you have a like a

767
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: pet detective, Right, that's a human detective who looks for pets. Sure,

768
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: but if you have a pet who's a detective who

769
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: looks for lost humans, are they a human detective?

770
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: No, they're a dog detect because a pet detect detective.

771
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 6: Dog.

772
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like this, you got a psychic course

773
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: looking for humans, he detects humans, a human detective.

774
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: No, he's a he's an animal detective.

775
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: Animal. He's saying, by the rules of the logic of

776
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: pet detective, he should be a human detective. Anyway, let's

777
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: just get into it. Okay, So what do you think

778
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: about Lady Wonder? Do you believe she has powers? No,

779
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: even after doctor jb Ryans test is a scam. Well,

780
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: I have a story for you from a local hood.

781
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to believe. Oh look at you,

782
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: I can Scully.

783
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: So this colorful set of exchanges may change your mind.

784
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: Who knows. But I'd like you to meet leon O

785
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: story street name, same old story.

786
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: Wait, this is no, I'm just playing a street name Leon.

787
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: If you're listening, you can keep that one free a charge. Anyway,

788
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: My man Leon's same old story. He was an insurance agent,

789
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: so you see my point. Anyway, he's a big believer

790
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 2: in the psychic course. In the late nineteen forties, after

791
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: the war, same old story. He comes back from the war.

792
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: He's an airman. Right on leave, he thought, what the hell,

793
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: why don't I drive out to the fond of Pharma

794
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: and see what my psychic course says about my future?

795
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: He paid his money. The fond is bring out Lady Wonder,

796
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: same old story. He asked his question right as he

797
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: tells it, So lady to tell me the name of

798
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: the girl I've been dating in Oklahoma. Now. The psychic

799
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: course thinks about it for a moment. Then she lowered

800
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: her nose and typed out f R A N C

801
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: E S. Boom. That was the correct answer, as Sam

802
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Old's story remembered it, That was it, I said, what

803
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: the After that, he was convinced, so periodically he'd roll

804
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: out to the fond of farm and see what the

805
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Psychic Course I had to say about his future. Now,

806
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: when he asked Lady Wonder if he should keep flying.

807
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: You know. When he got out of the military, psychic

808
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: course told him, I n S you are a n

809
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: c E. As in, he should change jobs and become

810
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: an insurance salesman.

811
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it'd be like buy insurance if you're

812
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: gonna be flying all over there.

813
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: You could read it a lot of ways. Well, he

814
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: decided I should become an insurance agent, change his careers,

815
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: and he loves it. It's as if the horse knew

816
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: his future in so sam old story. Now he knows

817
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: how this almost sound. He he knows that it's weird

818
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 2: that he takes career advice from a psychic course.

819
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little weird.

820
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: And he said, and I quote, I know this sounds crazy,

821
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: but I'm not crazy. It was that horse.

822
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: When you have to say I'm not crazy.

823
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: And it was that horse. Now, his brother was a

824
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: deputy sheriff and he had a part of manhunt for

825
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: some missing kids. So leon Or I liked as I

826
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: looked to call him Samuel. Samuel, Sorry he is. He

827
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: drives out to you, lady Wonder, and the psychic course

828
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: considers his question. He's like, you know, and then the

829
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: horse she types out where the missing kids could be

830
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: found Lady Wonder was again correct. Leads to a whole

831
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: fresh wave of news stories. What more features by journalists

832
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: looking to make sense of this super strange story.

833
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: When was she able to slip out and kidnap the kids?

834
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: Mis Fonda busy busy now, but rather th Meat is

835
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: telling you all about these new feature stories to be covered. Elizabeth,

836
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: I'd like to close your eyes and I'd like you

837
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: to picture it. You've just arrived at the Fonda Force.

838
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: Since there are a few people ahead of you in

839
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: mine to see the psychic course. You are there on assignment.

840
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: You are a newspaper woman, a hard nosed inkstain gall

841
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: with moxy de booth think Jennifer Jason Lea is Amy

842
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: Archer and Hudsucker Proxy. Yeah, you've been sent down to Richmond,

843
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: Virginia from the Big Apple, the city that never sleeps,

844
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: the city with the Empire state of mind. Right, and

845
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: let me tell you are not pleased to be gallivanting

846
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: with the Hicks and the sticks. Now. You've got a

847
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: story to do, right, so you'll get it. By God,

848
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: I'll bet my pillets are on it. Now. You swat

849
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: away a horse fly and you await your friend. Finally

850
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 2: your turn comes and you step up to the homemade

851
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: horsey house. You give Lady Wonder the once over. She

852
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: seems legit. It's clearly a real horse. You pay your

853
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: one dollar, and then missus Fonda asked that you ride

854
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: out your three questions. Your first question, who will when

855
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: the Cold War democracy are the reds now? The psychic

856
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: chorus thinks for a moment, she winnies, then dutifully uses

857
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: her nose to spring the keys of the handmade horse

858
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: sized typewriter. Lady Wonder spells out d E m oh

859
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: cr a. See why this pleases you, since you live

860
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: in a democracy and it being nineteen forty nine, and

861
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: you're no fan of Stalin's new little fad called totalitarianism. However,

862
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: you'll have to wait a long while to see if

863
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: the horses answer Prouve's correct and missus Fonda asked you

864
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: to ride out question two. This time you ask not

865
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: for a prognostication, but for the horse to read your mind.

866
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: Missus Fonda instructs you to ride out both the question,

867
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: which she will read aloud to Lady Wonder, and then

868
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: the answer, which she will not read aloud to the

869
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: psychic course, let's test this full sighted Philly, you think

870
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: to yourself as you jot down your mind reading test question. Ms.

871
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: Fonda takes your card and then reads aloud, Lady Wonder, this,

872
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: Lady report, I would like to know what was the

873
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: make of the first cause she ever owned. Now, Lady

874
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Wonder takes a casual step in her handmade horsey home.

875
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Her hoof stamps the floor. This is a tough one.

876
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: The psychic horse looks at you, Elizabeth. The horse fixes

877
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: her eyes on you, and suddenly you are transfixed. Everything

878
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: grows soft and sounds kind of fuzzy. Now it's just

879
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: you and Lady Wonder. You don't know how much time

880
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 2: is passing. You're locked in, just you and the psychic Corse.

881
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: Then snap, Lady Wonder breaks eye contact. The spell is broken.

882
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: The world rushes back into full focus as you see

883
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: the psychic chorus lift up her head, then slowly lower it.

884
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: Impress the first key. It's the letter F. This is

885
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: followed by the letter oh. The psychic Corse spells out f.

886
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: Oh r D.

887
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, you arrived the big city skeptic, a natural born,

888
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: a sideshow barker's worst nightmare. But this is impressive. This

889
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: is two for two as far as you're concerned, because

890
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: you think democracy is gonna wind. And now she's guessed

891
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: the make of your car. The psychic course just read

892
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: your mind or so what would seem? But really, how

893
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: many car makers are there? Now?

894
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: Six?

895
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Seven? Gonna be a lucky guess. So you have one

896
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: more question, missus Fonda asks you what your third one

897
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: will be. You have to think a moment. You want

898
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: to pull out a real stinka, a mental mickey finn,

899
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: a la la palooza of a puzzle for the psychic cost.

900
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: You got it. You scribbled something down. It's a trick question.

901
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Miss Fonder reads it. Then ask Lady Wonder who is

902
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: really the king of the jungle? Human beings are house cats?

903
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: The psychic course listens, it seems to process the question.

904
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: Then she presses her nose on a key on the

905
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: homemade horse sized typewriter. Just one key up, pops the

906
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: word no, no, What do you mean?

907
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: No?

908
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: Key?

909
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: The slipper equine just evaded your third question, you sasked

910
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: the psychic chost, look level with me. What have you had?

911
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: I just want to know what are we being played

912
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: by the house cats? Missus Fonda asked, if you want

913
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: your dollar back. You don't, but this is all definitely

914
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: going in your story first Keyhole Magazine. Now, as you

915
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: walk back to your wide in Bubbly nineteen forty eight,

916
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: Chevy bel Air, you have to admit to yourself the

917
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: Psychic Course just played you for a dollar. Now. Around

918
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: the same time, nineteen fifty two, Lady Wonder one she

919
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: enjoyed her largest round of late fame. There was a

920
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: child who went missing in Massachusetts. The local District Attorney

921
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: happened to be passing through Richmond, decided to seek help

922
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: from the local legend, the psychic course who finds a

923
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 2: missing people. The DA asked Lady Wonder about the missing kid,

924
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: and then he took seriously the advice of the psychic course,

925
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: who told the DA that the missing child could be

926
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: found in a place called Pittsfield. The child was found

927
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: in a place called Wild's Pit, which was close enough

928
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: for the DA to credit the Psychic Course for her assistance.

929
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: That successful man hunt led to a flurry of syndicated

930
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: news stories across the country. Time, Newsweek, Life Magazine all

931
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: sent out profile writers just like you to do a

932
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: story on Lady Wonder, which then resulted in a fresh

933
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: avalanche of questions and requests from all around America and abroad. Now,

934
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: with missus Fonda's help, Lady Wonder answered all the questions

935
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: she was sent. Her favorite type of questions were about romance,

936
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: career choices, really big into those, mis Fonder. She refused

937
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Elizabeth's answer any request for lucky numbers for the lottery,

938
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: nor any questions pertaining to gambling sporting events. Yeah, all right.

939
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: So one time a man asked Lady Wonder if his

940
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: wife was faithful. The psychic course saw through the question

941
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: she was on to him. Instead of answering, Lady Wonder asked,

942
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: are you oh see?

943
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: Right?

944
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: So, with all the fresh attention, and since it was

945
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, it didn't take long before the movie

946
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: and TV producers came calling. They wanted in on Lady Wonder, right,

947
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: So they come calling, and Ivy Stone recalled that Missus

948
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: Fonda once told her that she would have gone Hollywood

949
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: except for one thing. My health wasn't too good.

950
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 4: Right.

951
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a lie. But anyway, Elizabeth, I gotta ask,

952
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: having heard all this, do you think Lady Wonder was psychic?

953
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: No?

954
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: So for more data. There was another person who tested

955
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: the psychic course. His name was Paul Duke, journalist for

956
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: the Associated Press, Right, not just any normal correspondent. He

957
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: was also the host of the PBS show Washington Weekend Review.

958
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, serious, sober respective member of the press.

959
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: He reported that he was quote flabbergasted after Lady Wonder

960
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: correctly answered the name of his alma mater like this

961
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: college he went to, as well as quote the exact

962
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: dollar and cents figure of his weekly paycheck. So this

963
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: highly quotable neighbor, Ivy Stone, said that she believed the

964
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: horse wasn't psychic, but instead it was Missus Fonda who

965
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: was the psychic, and that she channeled her gift through

966
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: the horse. Missus Stone said, and I pray I think

967
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: she passed it through the horse. That's what I think. No, okay,

968
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: But rather than assume a witch used a horse to

969
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: distract from her powers, let's consider another possible explanation, one

970
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: that flows from Ivy Stone's idea that she passed it

971
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: through the horse. Right, not psychic powers, but rather clues

972
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: and cues. Remember the clever Hans. Yeah yeah, so you

973
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: see when Lady Wonder did her question and answer routine.

974
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Missus Fonda stood next to her, and she held a whip,

975
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: one that had a small string attached that dangled down

976
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: before the horse. As a writer from the New York

977
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: Daily News recalled from her visit to meet Lady Wonder,

978
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: quote when the horse's swaying head was directly above a

979
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: desired vowel or consonant, did Fonda let the string gently

980
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: touch the top of Lady Wonder's head the signal to

981
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: lower her nose. This observer did notice those strange goings on,

982
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: and so did Ryan, who on a second visit, saw

983
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: that when Fonda wasn't in the room the quote telepathy

984
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: was dead. Of course, come to find out, Elizabeth, Lady Wonder,

985
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: the psychic horse was only psychic in the presence of

986
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: Missus Fonda. That seems Hella sus right right, okay.

987
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: But this is the first they're pointing this out. She's

988
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: got something dangling every single time.

989
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: People are like, well, that's just motivation, trying to keep

990
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: her focus right right next to right at the horse.

991
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: He house, at the door, if you the window, If

992
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: you will now add in to how it was done.

993
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: The questioner was asked to write their question and their

994
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: answer down. Remember what you did to better focus their

995
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: mind and build the psychic bridge with the horse as

996
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: a writer also further speculates quote an accomplice peering through

997
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: a small knothole in the low ceiling could easily read

998
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: the written answer being conveniently held in the concentrating customer's hand.

999
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: The rest is just a question of signals between two

1000
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: human beings.

1001
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: Wow, write down the answer.

1002
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: I told you had to write down the answer.

1003
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: Well, some of them did, most of them.

1004
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: But that's if they're doing the mind reading trick.

1005
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1006
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, like I said, that explains all the in

1007
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: person question and answer sessions. But what about all the

1008
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: questions sent in from a distance. They can't do that

1009
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: trick there. And what about all the deep poles like

1010
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: FDR's election before being nominated, the earthquake in California. Well,

1011
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: if you consider that Lady Wonder made roughly two hundred

1012
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: thousand predictions in her lifetime, she was bound to get

1013
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: some long shots right. It's just a simple math.

1014
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just like we're about the ones that

1015
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 3: she gets wrong exactly.

1016
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: So was Lady Wonder a psychic course or really just

1017
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: a good underpaid secretary. So was missus fond of psychic

1018
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: and the horse just her elaborate stage decoration. I'll leave

1019
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: that to you to good side, but I do have

1020
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: one last bit of fun for us. Well this may

1021
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: be more fun for me than for you, but let's see.

1022
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: Is the crime that she was bilking people with the horse?

1023
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: The crime is that she was helping find missing people.

1024
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: That's a crime.

1025
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: They were missing. Oh oh, she helped solve where they

1026
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: were missing, Elizabeth, she saved people. She found people who

1027
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: are missing.

1028
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Okay, and also shut it down. This is a long cot.

1029
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: I don't want to like bust it out. It's a

1030
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 2: long cost.

1031
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: Let's just call it. It's a very long com going on.

1032
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: Okay. So I, like I said, I have a little

1033
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: bit of fun for you. When Lady Wondered the Psychic

1034
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: Chorus died, she was still a working horse. In fact,

1035
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: the Psychic equine was busy nose typing when she sort

1036
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: of killed over mid answer. You want to know what

1037
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: she was typing? What her last psychic transmission was the

1038
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: answer that killed her. So on March nineteenth, nineteen fifty seven,

1039
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: Lady Wondered the Psychic Chorus was nose, typing out the

1040
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: answer to a question that I cannot find the question,

1041
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: but I do know what so I don't know what

1042
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: was asked. All I know is the answer that she

1043
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: was typing. She typed out EI S E N W

1044
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: E R Eisenhower. She typed that into her handmade horse

1045
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: sized typewriter. Then she suffered a heart attack and keeled over.

1046
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: She apparently just finished the word. So this is fully Eisenhower. Now,

1047
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: maybe maybe she was repeating the message that he gave

1048
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: the world in his farewell address. Like maybe Lady Wonder

1049
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: was also warning America about the vast influence of the

1050
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: military industrial complex. I don't know what to say, right, yeah,

1051
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: but she just typed Eisenhower listened to Ike. Now anyway,

1052
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: Lady Wonder was thirty three years old at the time

1053
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: of her passing, same as Jesus. Just putting that out there.

1054
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't anyway. Two years later, the owner

1055
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: of the psychic Courus, miss Claudia Fonda, she also slipped

1056
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: its mortal coil, taking her and Lady Wonder's secrets with her.

1057
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: Her husband had preceded her in death. So there you go,

1058
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: the story of a mystery solving lost person, locating, long

1059
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: con mind reading, psychic course that charge you a dollar

1060
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: a con. So what's our ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth, Eh,

1061
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: my ridiculous tagaway That typewriter will live in my head forever.

1062
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: And yeah it's a con.

1063
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 4: What are you talking?

1064
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: She's milking people for a dollar with a psychic.

1065
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: Horse, this entertainment, though.

1066
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: She thinks people believe it's really No one for decades,

1067
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: no one a scientist published in a journal that she

1068
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: was she had a psychic horse.

1069
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: She did psychic she never disproved it.

1070
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: Well anyway, my ridiculous takeaway, Thank you for asking once again.

1071
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: This was all a clearly fun grift and long con

1072
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: by missus Fonda. So bully to her for that she

1073
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: pulled off of this great long gone wait add some

1074
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: strange to the world, missus Fonda, I didn't get paid

1075
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: doing it. Oh big up's miss Fonda. So Elizabeth, ridiculous takeaway. No,

1076
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you again now, I already asked you once.

1077
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: You only get one shot at this, but I will

1078
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: we offer you this. Yeah you want to hear it?

1079
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 5: Talkback always produced Dave hit it.

1080
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I.

1081
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: Love get.

1082
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: Hey Elizabeth's Aaron.

1083
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 4: It's make from Perth and I just did my orientation

1084
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 4: lecture for my Master's of Education fourth degree lucky thod career,

1085
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 4: and I'm going to be a primary school teacher and

1086
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: I feel amazing about it and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big up to the rsies and congrats in your

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Speaker 2: Always be asking what's next because you don't know and

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Speaker 2: As always, make it dear Alessabon and uh once again,

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Speaker 2: thank you all for listening. We'll catch you next.

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Speaker 4: Crime.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaron Burnett,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by owner of a pside kick course,

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