1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is they call me Ben. 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: code ename Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week, 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: which means it's time for our strange news segment. This one, however, 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: dear conspiracy Realist, is going to be a little bit different, 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: because you see, we're recording this on Monday, October five, 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: And for anyone who remembers what happened and uh this 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: past weekend for us, UH, it was a roller coaster 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of a news cycle and one that continues as we record. 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: The President of the United States, President Donald J. Trump, 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: has been confirmed to have tested positive for the coronavirus 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen. Being the commander in chief of a 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: world superpower, it's safe to say he received treatment the 20 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: average UH. Jane John or Joe American wouldn't normally get 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: as we record now, the President of the US has 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: just announced that he will be leaving Walter Reid the 23 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: medical facility where he's been for this weekend. Uh, and 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: he'll be returning to the White House. But so much 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: strange news happened leading up to this announcement that we 26 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: want to dedicate the majority of our Strange News segment 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: to this bizarre story that still has a lot of 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: questions left unanswered. Would you guys say that's about the 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: size of it. I would say so, Yeah, I think so. 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we're talking about on October two, when 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: there was a tweet that went out from the President's 32 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Twitter account that said that the President and the First 33 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Lady had both tested positive, right, And that's kind of 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: what set off a whole just a whole series of events. 35 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: And it was immediately following, almost immediately following the first 36 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: presidential debate for the election of TWI. So it was 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: just there's there's a lot to talk about, uh, what 38 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: it means for, you know, the rest of all of 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: the events that are going to be happening for the 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: presidential election. And uh, there's there's already a lot of 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: consequences for people who are close to to the president's 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: re election campaign. So yeah, let's let's get into it. Like, 43 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: what do you what do you want to talk about 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: first with regards to to this happening. Well, maybe let's 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: talk about the time line, what we do and don't 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: know about how how the president was confirmed and how 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: various members of his party or people he had interacted 48 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: with were confirmed positive. First, So we know that one 49 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: of the president's closest advisors, one Hope Hicks, was stated 50 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: to have symptoms like indicative of coronavirus before the president 51 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: was confirmed to have it. But the president was in 52 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: close contact with Hicks during a rally in Minnesota. Ryan 53 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: was during that event that this occurred. This is interesting 54 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: because it ties into um it ties into something that's 55 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: that's pretty distressing. Uh. We had talked a little bit 56 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: off air, Matt. You had mentioned the presidential debate, the 57 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: first one between former Vice President Joe Biden and current 58 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. When was that again? That was on 59 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: September nine, That was in Cleveland, and it was the 60 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: first presidential debate held during the age of the pandemic. 61 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: During this time, the moderator was Chris Wallace. That's going 62 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: to be familiar to a lot of people. Uh. During 63 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: this time, the well, the debate was divisive, no surprise 64 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: to anybody watched it. Uh, there was not too much 65 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: discussion of actual policy during the length of the debate. 66 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: But we know behind the scenes there was a a 67 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: regiment and policies instituted that required, in theory, everybody to 68 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: get tested for COVID and to have a negative test 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: before they participated in or attended the debate. But members 70 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's traveling party, including Trump himself, apparently did 71 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: not arrive in time to take that test. So it's 72 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: an open question at this point when Trump did contract COVID. 73 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: That's right. It was Chris Wallace, the moderator, UM confirmed 74 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: that and said they were going by the quote unquote 75 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: on our system. Yeah. And it's a weird thing too, 76 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: because you know, we're talking about the outdoor campaign rally 77 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: where Hope Hicks started feeling unwell when returning from that event, 78 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: and that was on September, the day after the presidential debate, 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: So perhaps that's where contact occurred with the president. You'd 80 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: have to speculate all this stuff, and there's really no 81 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how good it is for us to imagine, like, well, 82 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: how did he get it, when did he get it, 83 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: who was it until we get into the more conspiratorial stuff, 84 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: which then you know, we're gonna probably hit here just 85 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: in a few minutes. But about was he purposefully infected? 86 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: Was this a pr thing? There's all kinds of Yeah, 87 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of things that we're going to discuss it. Uh, yeah, 88 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: we we don't really know, you know, if he was 89 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: infected or not, because he didn't get to take that test. 90 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: That's right, that's very least, though we do know that 91 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: he knew that he had been in contact with someone 92 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: who tested positive and can continued on with business as usual. 93 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: You know, there was an event where they nominated a 94 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: ficher or they put forth the nominee for the Supreme Court, 95 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: Amy Coney Barrett. And at this events, which I believe 96 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: was in the lawn the White House garden, Yeah, you 97 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: sure do see a whole lot of hugging and schmoozing 98 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: and non mask wearing folks um and of course Trump 99 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: himself was there. And that's sort of the event that 100 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: seems to have led to a whole slew of infections 101 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: within Trump's center circle and UH and White House staffers, 102 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: and also some press folks that are in what's called 103 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: the pool, folks that track Trump's movement and or you know, 104 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: get the briefings about when he's going somewhere so they 105 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: can kind of follow follow suit and get the coverage. Yeah, 106 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: it's drawn comparisons to the infamous Red wedding, which is 107 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: an excellent spoiler for song about some fire Game of Thrones. Yeah, 108 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: at this point, as we record this Monday, October five, 109 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: we know that there are at least twelve I want 110 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: to say twelve confirmed UH COVID cases that are in 111 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: some way related to that event at the Rose Garden. 112 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: But again, as you said, Matt, it's tough to pin 113 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: down exactly when someone was infected and when they knew 114 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: they were infected. You have to walk back and do 115 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of clindrical and chronological research. But right 116 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 1: now we know that the recently affected people in close 117 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: communication in this spot, if you will include people like 118 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Kelly Anne Conway who who hid the I'm laughing because 119 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: it's just terrible thing to do. Your kid, who hid 120 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: the results from her dog, her and her daughter believes 121 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: that her mother infected her. Hope Hicks. We mentioned Senior 122 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: advisor Rona McDaniel, chairwoman for the RNC Republican National Committee. UH, 123 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: Trump's campaign manager Melodia Trump the first lady, which makes 124 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: sense because that would be the person who's in the 125 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: closest contact with the president. UH. Senators Mike Lee from 126 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Utah and Tom Tillis from North Carolina, who are both 127 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: members of the Judiciary Committee, which goes into play with 128 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: some of the stuff we're talking about with Scotus UH. 129 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: And then at least three members of the White House 130 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Press Corps. I believe that a couple of other people 131 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: are suspected of possibly contracting COVID but have refused to 132 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: take a test or refused to disclose those results. And really, 133 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, there's not any 134 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: law saying that they have to No, not yet now yeah, 135 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: now yet? Did you mention Chris Christie already good men, Yeah, 136 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: who has been hospitalized and is also highly at risk, 137 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, for for weight and age factors, in the 138 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: same way the president is. And do we Nick Luna, 139 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: the personal aid Trump's personally It's rough the way this 140 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: virus really just goes through groups of people who are 141 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: not taking precautions, and it's still mind blowing to me 142 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: that there's debate about whether or not this thing is 143 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: even real. You know, um, maybe it's not. I mean, 144 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: I know, it's not so much debate about whether it's real. 145 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: It's debate about the severity of it. It's debate about 146 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: how it came to be, why it came to be, UM, 147 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: And we've talked about a lot of that stuff previously 148 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: on the show. I'm I think the mind blowing part 149 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: is that people aren't taking it seriously at all in 150 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: a lot of places where I've been recently, because I've 151 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: had to do some minor car travel, but not nothing intense, 152 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: but just you know, showing up in a place and realizing, 153 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: oh wow, you know in it and it doesn't feel 154 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: very safe in a lot of places in Atlanta, UM, 155 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: but you go a little bit further out from the 156 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: city and it just feels like nobody either cares or 157 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: are defiant or being defiant of the fear. I guess 158 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: in a way, right, yeah, I feel you. I went 159 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: off the grid briefly a few weeks ago, is very 160 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: much a different world. I suggest that anybody who was 161 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: planning to take international travel or something. If you live 162 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: in the US, take a drive, take the back roads. 163 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Be safe, because you will see you you will see 164 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: a very different world, especially if you live, like the 165 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: majority of the US population in a large urban center. 166 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: It's it's worth it. We have to realize that a 167 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't getting hit if they are a 168 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: very isolated area. We also have to realize, you know, um, 169 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: that that reaction of that something is being overblown is 170 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: a very natural and understandable reaction. The because the fatality 171 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: rate of COVID versus the um infection rate of COVID, right, 172 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty small. It's not like you have a 173 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: chance of dying, but you still have a chance of dying. 174 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: And it's just very easy for people unless they personally 175 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: know someone who has passed away from this or has been, 176 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: you know, crippled in some way for the rest of 177 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: their life, it's very easy to say, well, this is 178 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: just the flu, and this is a cultural fear, you 179 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Yeah, you know, I totally get it. 180 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: I think it's just it's one of those things where 181 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: you think about you think about our our sitting president 182 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: right now, like he is at very much he is 183 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: at high risk of getting it to he's at high 184 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: risk of having very adverse effects from it, right like 185 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people on this planet. And just because 186 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: you aren't, you know, maybe super vulnerable to being harmed 187 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: by this virus UM, it doesn't mean that there aren't 188 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: people in your immediate family or immediate group, even neighbors 189 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: or people that just go to the same grocery stores 190 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: you aren't, UM wouldn't be very much damaged by this thing. 191 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: So it's just I don't know anybody out there he's listening, 192 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: who's still like thinking about Well, maybe it's you know, 193 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, and I'm just gonna keep living life regularly. 194 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: I would just ask to please think about the people 195 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: that maybe you don't even know personally that are around you, 196 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: that could die from this even if you can't. That's 197 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: well said. That's well said. Man. It's troubling. It's the 198 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: tragedy of the commons, you know. I would point out 199 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: that as of ah, what, October three, the US just 200 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: recorded the most daily COVID nineteen infections nearly two months, 201 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: So it's not on decline. Maybe in like three states 202 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: it's in decline. That's it. So back to the timeline 203 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: just briefly, So on October second is when that tweet 204 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: amount from Trump saying that he and Flotas had tested 205 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: positive for COVID nineteen. Prior to that, he had tweeted 206 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: on October one, the day before that Hope Hicks had 207 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: tested positive, and then just leading up to that, in 208 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: the few days before, he had not only attended the 209 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: debate UM and that Rose Garden ceremony, but he also 210 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: had um attended a campaign event where there's actually footage 211 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: of him like throwing hats out, like make America Great 212 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: Again hats out into the audience and Dulouth, Minnesota. And 213 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: so you know, there's a lot of speculation and that 214 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: could have potentially been a super spreader event because you know, 215 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: understandably like, no, not understanding me, not at all. Uh, 216 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: The timeline is very sketchy and they're not really releasing 217 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: detailed information about when they knew what they knew, which 218 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: to me seems like there's something to hide. Um. It 219 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: sure seems like he knew when Hope Hicks tested positive 220 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: and then chose to maybe not have her travel with him, 221 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: but continued to travel and do these events, um you know, 222 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: where he was interacting with folks largely unmasked in the crowd, 223 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: like October one when he attended that Bedminster, New Jersey fundraiser, 224 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: which stinks, you know, because again we have to be fair. 225 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: We don't know, we don't know when uh the President 226 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: and First Lady realized they were positive other than that 227 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: self report on October two, but still regardless of who 228 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: knew what when. Imagine paying for one of those fundraisers, 229 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: of paying to attend a fundraiser in Bedminster, New Jersey. 230 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: Those things are expensive and and what you're paying, what 231 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: you're paying for. It's not the drvs, it's not the 232 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: coca vein nor whatever. You're paying for access to power, 233 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: which means you're paying to talk to someone whom I 234 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: very well have COVID, which means you're paying for a 235 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: chance to get COVID nineteen, a very good chance. I 236 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: don't think that's what they meant to buy. I well, 237 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: what is coca vaine? Coco van It's chicken with wine 238 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: with a grape wine sauce. I highly recommend it. I 239 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: thought you were doing a play on cocaine. Sorry, that's 240 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: my fault different. Uh. That's I'm sure it's a different 241 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: timeline for different people. But but yes, So now now 242 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: we know on the same day that he reported this, 243 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: that tweet came very early in the morning, twelve fifty 244 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: four am when he tweeted about the positive test. Uh. 245 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: And then later that day that's when Senator Mike leave 246 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: Utah reported And then on the same day, officials in 247 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland said they could trace at least eleven different positive 248 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen results to preparations for the debate, which is 249 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: kind of a could mean a lot of things because 250 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people are involved in a presidential debate. 251 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: Check out our was a Commission on Presidential Debates and 252 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Federal Election Commission stuff. Uh. But I want to fast 253 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: forward to October until later in that day, October two, Uh, 254 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the the president's team was saying that he was experiencing 255 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: quote mild symptoms as he was flown to Walter Read 256 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: National Military Medical Center. That's one of the top healthcare 257 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: of facilities in the world, by the way. And uh, 258 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: we also have conflicting reports from his doctors UM where 259 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: they indicated that he hadn't been getting supplemental oxygen and 260 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: that he was again, like you said, been experiencing mild symptoms. 261 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: We then saw some reversals of that, uh, and the 262 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: explanation being it was a matter of bedside manner or 263 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: a matter of accentuating the positive. I guess in an 264 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: effort to not exacerbate the condition by stressing the president out. 265 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm a little confused. The doctor you'll have to me 266 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: with his name, guys um that that made the statement, uh, 267 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: sort of justified why he maybe said something that was 268 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: a little misleading, And it was something along those lines 269 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: to like push forth the positive narrative and the hopes 270 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: that like positive thinking would help cure the president. I'm 271 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: I was a little taken aback and confused by that logic. Yeah, 272 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: the positive outlook. A lot of a lot of Twitter 273 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: fame was made by people pointing out the very careful 274 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: language the guy used when asked for when it's Dr 275 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Sean Conley. By the way, when Sean Conley was asked 276 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: about treatment, was asked about the president's condition, you know, 277 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: vital vital information. Uh. He he said that he was 278 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: attempting to share an upbeat outlook. That's right. Yeah, I 279 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: don't want to call it spin in the medical profession, 280 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: but there is uh. There are a few key phrases 281 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: is that can let you know people are trying to 282 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: think positive, but nothing's really changed, just an average day 283 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: to day life, not in the life of world leaders. 284 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: But one of those is if you see a report 285 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: that says someone is in good spirits, that means that 286 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: there psychologically still ready to fight whatever medical condition they 287 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: may have, but that there may not be a strong 288 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: physiological change unless otherwise indicated. I think the thing that 289 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: I remember, what's it, what's the name Sean? I remember 290 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: him stating on the third, specifically on October three, the 291 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: day after that we learned about the president's diagnosis, that 292 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: the president had been dealing with symptoms or had been 293 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: infected for seventy two hours, I think he said at 294 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: that time, which would put it back to what is 295 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: that the thirty one of September. Um, right, So, I 296 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: mean it's just it's doesn't really matter, But I mean 297 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: it matters for all the people that he was around, right, 298 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: very much so. But um again, it's like conflicting information 299 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: from authority figures who are supposed to give us the 300 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: skinny on something. That's when problems are eyes. Right, that's 301 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: a big theme of this show when the when the 302 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: adults don't give us the truth or walk around it 303 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: on purpose for one reason or another. Um, what what 304 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: I do wanna talk about here? I don't know if 305 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: you want to talk about it later. Oh yeah, maybe 306 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: maybe we can talk about when we come back. I 307 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: really want to bring up these antibody cocktails and all 308 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: that the president got. Well, it's to your point band 309 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: about getting that what's I've seen referred to as v 310 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: I P treatment um, which actually can sometimes not be 311 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: a good thing because well for for sure, but I mean, 312 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: it's this idea that they're gonna throw the kitchen sink 313 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: at you know, a high profile person like us, possibly 314 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: throwing caution to the wind with things that are maybe 315 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: experimental or they don't know the full impact of interactions 316 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: with these things. And I've heard that the cocktail that 317 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: he's on, he's the first person that's ever been given 318 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: all of these things at the same time. And some 319 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: folks are looking at this as, oh, he definitely has 320 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: an advanced case of this or a severe case of 321 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: this because of the treatment that he's receiving. But it 322 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: could also be that because he is who he is. 323 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: The doctors are just like, you know, just using a 324 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: spray and pray effect, you know, or they're just trying 325 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: to like do it all, throw it all at him 326 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: and see what happens in the hopes that something will take, 327 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: you know, medicinal spaghetti against the wall. Right. Yet, you know, 328 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: let's dive into that. Let's pause for a word from 329 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: our sponsors, and uh, come back, and let let's go 330 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: all the way in. Let's let's see what's happening here. 331 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: And we have returned, so we're we're looking at it 332 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: a big, badger the bag here, which is that, yes, 333 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: there is inequality in the US healthcare system, and as 334 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, in the case of a president, 335 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: there's a very good argument to be made that the 336 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: commander in chief should have the best healthcare possible, regardless 337 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: of how you feel about the individual occupying that position. 338 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: That role is something that should never be left in 339 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: a vacuum. So this gives us, um, this gives us 340 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: a couple of things to dive down into. First, I 341 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: think maybe we talk about some of the drugs that 342 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: he was administered and has been given, maybe why he 343 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: was given those v I. P. Syndrome, by the way, 344 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: is not the doctor's fault. The v I P syndrome 345 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: is when an important person demands excess treatment because you know, 346 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: they're scared or they want that experiment. That's why someone 347 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: who is a billionaire with an operable cancer can pull 348 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: strings and clinical trials, and a poor person with an 349 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: operable cancer is often unfortunately left to their own devices. 350 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: But but you're right, Noel uh, And you're right, Matt. 351 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: The President of the United States received above and beyond 352 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: what would be the typical COVID nineteen treatment, especially the 353 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: typical COVID nineteen treatment for someone with mild symptoms as 354 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: they were described. So I think maybe maybe we start 355 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: with decks and meth zone the steroid. Right as we 356 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: record this, the President is on steroids, which I never 357 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: thought i'd say on air, but yeah, here we are. 358 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: I've been on steroids before for things, you know, just 359 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: to get to get swall, you know. I mean, look, no, no, no, 360 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: it's a very common thing. It's a thing they give 361 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: you if you go and you have like the flu, 362 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: or if you have you know, lammatory also true, but 363 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: if you have an alamatory situation where maybe like the 364 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: first thing they do is they give you a steroid 365 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and they give you a Z pack, you know, which 366 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: is that highly overprescribed antibiotic. That's a discussion of itself, 367 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: but they tend to pair that with a steroid like 368 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: prednizone or something. But this is a little different, but 369 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: still pretty common if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, And 370 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: one tricky part of this, one tricky part of deck 371 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: and methasone is that we've been seeing a lot of 372 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: conflicting reports about when someone should be administered this. In 373 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: the case of COVID nineteen, you will see some medical 374 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: professionals who say, we don't really give that to people 375 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: unless they're already on a ventilator or something like that. Right, 376 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: very frightening stuff. But what we have to realize is 377 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: that right now there are their medical facilities that are 378 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: approaching things in slightly different ways. That's not a ding 379 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: on any of those places. It's just maybe some of 380 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: their protocols differ from one institution to another, right So, 381 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: uh So saying making a conclusive claim about when a 382 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: drug is or isn't a minister can be tricky water. 383 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: Uh With this being said, of course, a lot of 384 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: people who are who consider themselves opponents of the current president. 385 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: We're pointing out their own anecdotal experiences having this steroid 386 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: in their system because some of the side effects are 387 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: are cognitive or can be cognitive. So there are people 388 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: who are arguing, you know, I remember I had to 389 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: take not even this steroid, I had to take some 390 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: sort of steroid, and I was crazy for you know days. Uh. 391 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: And anecdotally or experientially that may be true, but it 392 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's true for everyone in every case. 393 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: Does that make sense and applies a lot of this stuff. 394 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: You know, everyone's different and everyone is affected differently by 395 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: medications and also by the coronavirus itself. And here's the 396 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: problem again, we're not medical professionals personally, or you know, 397 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday code named Doc Holiday does have a bit 398 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: of a sketchy past. So maybe, uh, maybe you were 399 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: you were you were a dock uh so maybe you 400 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: were a medical doctor as well in the past, there, Doc, 401 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: which now that I think about it, m m m okay, 402 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: let's talk about that off here. But but one of 403 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: the one of the things you noted about Decks and 404 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: methison is that many medical professionals, many many are saying 405 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: that dex and methizone is something that has shown promise 406 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: for critically ill COVID nineteen patients that may actually harm 407 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: people who have less severe cases of COVID nineteen. That's 408 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: that's that's a fact. So that makes you wonder, you 409 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean, hence the throw everything at the 410 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: wall approach, you know, and see what sticks. But also 411 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: it could potentially be a bad thing. Um. And you know, 412 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: you never know, a guy like Trump could He's got 413 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: such clout, he could insist, you know, even against doctor's wishes, 414 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: perhaps in the same way that he insisted to be 415 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: let out to do a motorcade drive by to some 416 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: of his supporters outside Walter Reid, you know, which I'm 417 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: sure would have been discouraged by an attending physician. But 418 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: yet he was able to do that. You know, he's 419 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: the president of United States. They can't tell him what 420 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, that's just how it is. Um. 421 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: And you know, we've talked about the fact that this 422 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: was in a hermetically sealed presidential motorcade SUV, you know, 423 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: with the president wearing a cloth mask and waving to 424 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: these supporters and uh two Secret Service agents wearing those 425 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: um the more protective and ninety five masks. But even 426 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: that seems a little sketchy too for a photo up 427 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: to uh put those secret service agents lives at. Really 428 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: it's I that struck. That struck me a little a 429 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: little odd. Well, yeah, guys, I want to talk about 430 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: Regeneron in cocktails of antibodies and when the heck that 431 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: is like Vigor from Always Sunny, doesn't it? But it's 432 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: it's it's okay, Well, so it's an antibody. I love 433 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: they keep calling it a cocktail. It's a it's a 434 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: combination of things essentially that it goes into you the 435 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: way I'm assuming. Actually I never saw it on here. 436 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Whether or not it's a syringe or not, it just 437 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: says eight graham. Let me see, this's eight graham dose 438 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: of Regeneron's experimental antibody cocktail and directly to the armpits. UM. 439 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's an interesting thing. I was on 440 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: their website a little bit trying to go through some 441 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: of the PR statements, and my goodness, farm pharmaceutical PR 442 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: is not something you want to get lost in. UM. 443 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: But but you know, they're in clinical trials as of 444 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: October no September twenty nine, they were going through clinical 445 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: trials and running tests on people. There were COVID nineteen 446 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: patients who are not hospitalized. That's specifically what these clinical 447 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: trials were. We're testing, and again it seems to be there. 448 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: The purpose of it, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, 449 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: appears to be to help people whose bodies immune systems 450 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: are not readily fighting back against the infection and the virus. 451 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: This cocktail assists the human bodies immune system to essentially 452 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: recognize what they need to fight and to invigorate them 453 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: to fight the viral infection itself, which is interesting considering 454 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: that the purpose of decks and method zone and is 455 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: actually too somewhat suppress the immune system, um to keep 456 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: it from releasing these substances that can trigger inflammation. UM. 457 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: So I it's a little confusing why those things would 458 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: be administered at the same time. But again, not not 459 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: medical professionals here. Um it's it's it's a little odd. 460 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: And you know, and I've seen other doctors not connected 461 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: directly to the treatment saying as much. Yeah, and there's 462 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: a there's a dangerous thing there that happens when people 463 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: have multiple drugs administered, you start treating at times side 464 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: effects of a drug you took earlier, you know what 465 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean. So you have one condition and you end 466 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: up taking forward treatments for it because maybe one is 467 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: just to treat the nausea from another treatment, right, or 468 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: one is to uh bring your blood pressure back to 469 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: a normal level because of what happens to your blood 470 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: pressure due to another treatment. So those kind of um 471 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: interacting effects can be incredibly dangerous if you're not closely monitored. 472 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: One thing I think that's standing out for a lot 473 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: of people in this story, regardless of how you feel 474 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: about the lethality of COVID nineteen or the degree to 475 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: which people should be concerned about it, you'll notice one thing. 476 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: Nobody can walk into a store and buy Regenera. Their 477 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: tests were the the r g N dash cove to 478 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: antibody cocktail that we're talking about. As you said, Mett, 479 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: it was in a trial with thousand or less people 480 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: meeting these specific criteria. So if you're not one of 481 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: those people, you're not supposed to be able to get it. However, 482 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: in answer to the question, how did the potus president 483 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: of the United States end up having this drug. The 484 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: answer is this regeneral and it's from there. This from 485 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: their side too, So UH Regenera and Pharmaceuticals has two 486 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: ways of distributing this drug right now. The first is 487 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: the clinical trial avenue and the second is what is 488 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: called compassionate use like compassionate use requests, meaning that um, 489 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: I am some boy and I have a loved way 490 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: in who as COVID and things are getting dire. We've 491 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: tried other things, they have not worked. Based on what 492 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: we understand of this drug and the clinical trials, we 493 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: want to ask you, in an emotional appeal, to provide 494 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: this outside of a clinical trial to our patient, to 495 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: our loved one. And that is the avenue that was 496 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: used for the President of the United States, at least 497 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: so far as we know now. And just did a 498 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: quick quick note, there are two companies involved in in 499 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: making this cocktail, Regenera on Pharmaceuticals and also a company 500 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: called Gilead UH Pharmaceuticals. And there's another version of the 501 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: drug I believe that Gilead is making. That's called remdes 502 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Vier that you've probably heard bandied about a little bit too. 503 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was the same thing, but maybe listeners 504 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: could correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe maybe they Maybe 505 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm misunderstanding there. Well, it's getting a bit confusing with 506 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: with the various reporting that's coming out and how rapidly 507 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: it came out. Right, I know all of this reporting 508 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: happened at once, and just want boom boom boom, boom boom. 509 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Was a huge shock to the system to have the 510 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: president diagnosed. So we're learning as we go, and we 511 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: are learning along with Make no mistake, many many other 512 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: people the world is watching right now because a vacuum 513 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: in the US power system. Uh, no matter how brief, 514 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: is an enormous opportunity to enemies. Uh. Sounds pretentious to 515 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: say it, but it's true to enemies, word and domestic. 516 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: It is so true. One thing I do want to 517 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: know another another story about these two companies, Regeneron and 518 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: gill Lead. I don't know if that was named on purpose, 519 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: uh for fans of the handmade's tale, But there we are. 520 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: That's the name. President Trump reportedly owns some stock, owns 521 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: some steak in both of those companies, which I mentioned because, uh, 522 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: they had a tem per cent jump at least Regeneron 523 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: did recently h due to their involvement in this case. 524 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: And additionally, uh, you can't help but think it helped 525 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: that compassionate use request get to the very top of 526 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: the list, because I'm sure there have been a lot 527 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: of people who were well I assume there have been 528 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people were turned down. Yeah. Well we 529 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: we we we know the way a lot of these 530 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: contract vetting situations worked. There was a story on John 531 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: Oliver on last week tonight recently about the company that 532 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: went that got the contract for building the wall, um 533 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, between Mexico United States, and it was apparently 534 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: someone who had kind of appealed to Trump's love of 535 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: Fox News by repeatedly appearing on Fox News talking about 536 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: how his company would be a great fit for this job. 537 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: And then ultimately Trump went with this individual, because there 538 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: is some personal ability to choose these uh, these contractors. 539 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: Not to say this isn't this is obviously a private 540 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: company that's doing this and this is for the commercial 541 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical market. But that's a question I have for you guys. 542 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: I mean, is this a government contract with these two 543 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: companies or are they just it is purely commercial and 544 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: them just being the ones that are furthest along in 545 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: the research and kind of getting first to market with 546 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: something that's obviously going to be hugely uh lucrative. So 547 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: at least one of the company's does have a government 548 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: contract or general and got a four and fifty million 549 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: dollar federal contract back in July to manufacture that antibody 550 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: cocktail r e g N Cove two. Yeah, I'm gonna 551 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: have to call investor relations. Uh yeah. Theoretically it can 552 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: get a little sticky. There can be a lot of 553 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: preferential treatment based on campaign donations, etcetera, insider trading. But 554 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: here one would hope that the primary deciding factor for 555 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: a contract would be the likelihood of creating a scalable, 556 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: effective treatment. That that's again, that's what one would hope 557 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: would happen. Some analysts in a place called s V 558 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: Leering pointed out something that I had not thought of 559 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: earlier in respect to these drugs. They said, both the company, Regeneron, 560 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: and the White House's medical staff are likely to have 561 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: much to have access to much more information about this treatment. 562 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: R e g N dash Cove two then has been 563 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: publicly disclosed, so it's not necessarily stuff they don't want 564 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: you to know yet, but stuff that the average person 565 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: doesn't know, which probably you know, definitely I would say 566 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: tilted there their decision because you want again, you want 567 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: a cognizant, healthy president, especially if you're looking at a 568 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: possible transfer of power. Well, it's just happening so soon, 569 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: which makes this so irregular. So they're gonna be updates 570 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: on the drugs, on how they were administered, whether they 571 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: end up with the public, what their ultimate efficacy was 572 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: or was not, and that news may come out before 573 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: this episode publishes. We just wanted to give you a 574 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: background of some of what's happening now and what has 575 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: recently happened. Why are we harping on the part about 576 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: how important it is to have someone healthy and alive 577 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: in the role of commander in chief of the United States. Well, 578 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: it's not an idea that the four or five of 579 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: us had on this show. It's a very very old idea. 580 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: It was all the way back to something called the 581 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: twenty five Amendment, and we'll talk about that afterward from 582 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: our sponsor. And we've returned, so I hope that we're 583 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: doing a pretty fair job laying out kind of what 584 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: has happened so far. What are the questions, what are 585 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: the concerns. Now we're of course, as we said, we're 586 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: recording this end media arrests in the middle of the story, 587 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: so things can change. Um, we'll do our best to 588 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: follow up with updates. But when we last left you, uh, 589 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about the twenty fifth Amendment. 590 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: The twenty Amendment is very important. It's a thing that 591 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: you may have heard sort of flittering around the headlines 592 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: pre COVID flitter around the lines just every so often. 593 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: It is a pretty young amendment in terms of, you know, 594 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: in relation to the other amendments. It deals with the 595 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: problem of presidential succession in the case of disability. So 596 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: it clarifies that the vice president becomes president if the 597 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: serving president does some of the following things. They die, 598 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: they resigned, their removed from office. And we've we've seen 599 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: this invoked before when Nixon resigned, right, I was invoked, 600 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: and then the appointment of Nelson Rockefeller fell under the 601 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: twenty five Amendment. Uh, Ronald Reagan underwent a colonoscopy in 602 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: and they had already invoked section three of the amendments. 603 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: So what's happened before you know what I mean, It's 604 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: not like a crazy space sage into the world constitutional crisis. 605 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: But it's dangerous. It's a dangerous game, you know, because 606 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: imagine you're the president of the US. You have an 607 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: operation and you go under for that operation. So when 608 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: a minister's amnesthesia, and what if during that period of 609 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: just a few hours, when you're out, a nuclear exchange occurs. 610 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: What happens? Yeah, exactly, President presidents under what are you 611 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: gonna do? It's really fascinating just your you mentioned section three. 612 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: It's just it's fascinating that when that occurs, the president 613 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: has to uh submit essentially something in written, the declaration 614 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 1: that this is happening and declaring that the vice president 615 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: is now in power until I write to you again 616 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: and say that no, I'm back. Are there? Like do 617 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: you think they're like temporary new codes or something? They 618 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: get shared? Like, I don't know. I'm wondering, like who 619 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: has all that proprietary information? Does the VP have all 620 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: the same info as the president, all the same access. 621 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: It seems like you would have to be temporarily handed 622 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: over to him. Uh in some way. That's interesting. I 623 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: don't know. The football changes hands for a couple of hours, 624 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 1: nuclear football, Well, the way the way I believe it's 625 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: laid out requires multiple parties in the government to interact, 626 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: at least even if the call is Even if the 627 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: call is the president's, who still have to have multiple 628 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: people in the chain actually deploying weapon. I don't I 629 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: think we can all agree. No one should ever trust 630 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: any single individual with a with a suitcase such that 631 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: they could just whenever they want, said Dukes. That seems 632 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: really weird. I hope it's one of those situations like 633 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: in the movies where everyone has to turn a key 634 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: at the same exact time, you know, and enter the 635 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: codes and all. I mean, that's that's how I'm picturing it, 636 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: at least, and crack a codebook like snap and then 637 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: Elta alf and nine er, Bravo Tequila, uh kazanga, I 638 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't remember the coach vanierro. Uh well, 639 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: that's a patriot anyway. So, uh so another example, just 640 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: to show you how free this is a weird thing 641 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: to meet. So Reaga got a colonoscopy, right, that's the 642 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: twenty five Amendment. The colonoscopy. It turns out as like 643 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: a driving force for the twenty Amendment. Uh. June twenty nine, 644 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: two thousand two, UH, George W. Bush uh invoked Section three, 645 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: transferring power to Dick Cheney for colonoscopy temporarily, temporarily, not 646 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: for the rest of the time the colonoscopy. No, it's 647 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: they were both temporary. He got a he transfer power 648 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: again on two thousand seven June. Deary, wait for it, 649 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: a second colonoscopy. The man likes his calling. Yeah, well, 650 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean he's being and he liked his continuation of government. 651 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: So the question that has come up a lot recently is, 652 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: you know, the president is in the hospital, should we 653 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: should we prepare for for continuation of government? And for 654 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: some people, you know, it's completely understandable that that would 655 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: be seen as a an alarmist move right for supporters 656 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: of the president, of course, that conjures the specter of 657 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: a possible coup or something like that. But just to 658 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: be clear, the way that the twdding five Amendment works, UH, 659 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't really skip steps. It goes through the vice president. 660 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: So even if there were for some reason situation wherein 661 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: the current president of the US was rendered unable to 662 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: do their duties, it's a big term and a lot 663 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: of conditions bit inside that term, Uh, if they were 664 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: temporarily or permanently unable to the powers devolved to the 665 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: vice president under amendment. But it has to be invoked 666 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: by the president himself or themselves. There are a couple 667 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: of different ways for it to happen. Section three is 668 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: specifically presidential declaration, so that's when the president knows something's 669 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: coming up, I'm gonna get surgery, etcetera. But surely if 670 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, yes, that makes sense. But if there was 671 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: a situation where he was in a car accident and 672 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: maybe ended up in a coma, there would have to 673 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: be a way to invoke that officially through other channels 674 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: if he was not able to do it himself. Section for. 675 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: Section four talks about how the VP and Congress can 676 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: work together to essentially say the president cannot uphold office 677 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: at this particular juncture. Guys, I'm getting I have such 678 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: a clear image of Dick Cheney going into the Oval 679 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: office one day and saying, George, I'm gonna need you 680 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: to get a colonoscopy on the five PM. He's like, what, well, 681 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: why trust me? Gotta have a little bit of an underbyte, 682 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a progmatic job. Christian Bail Chainey 683 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. Yeah, so you're right there. 684 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: There are um four sections essentially. First one is president 685 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: has died, President resigns automatically. Vice president you're in. You 686 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,479 Speaker 1: got tapped. Uh. And then second would be a vice 687 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: presidential vacancy. So whenever there is a vacancy for any 688 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: reason in the role of the vice president, then the 689 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: president says, I want this person to be my vice president, 690 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: my new VP, and there has to be a majority 691 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: vote both houses of Congress for that to go through. 692 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: The third is the president saying I am unable to 693 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: do the powers and duties in my office, maybe even temporarily, 694 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: so vice president is going to step in for me. 695 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 1: And then the fourth is just what you described, Matt, 696 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: the VP and what are called principal officers step in. 697 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: And that's the controversial one. Yeah. Within here there is 698 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: a real I can't remember if they covered any of 699 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: this stuff on House of Cards. I think they did 700 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: some of it at least, But the concept that if 701 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: the vice president can no longer be the vice president, 702 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: then somebody can swoop in and it doesn't require any 703 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of election at all, just needs the House, the 704 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: it needs Congress. That's yeah, that's about the American people 705 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: don't get a vote on that one, which is well, 706 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: I guess the argument people would say is that they 707 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: do get a vote because they're congressional representatives represent them, 708 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: which is true in theory. It's true in theory, but 709 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: a lot of things are true in theory. Okay, so 710 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: this is the situation. We've touched on so much stuff 711 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: that sounds construe ratorial, but we have yet to talk 712 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: about the actual conspiracy theories, the actual conspiratorial thought. How 713 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: crazy is it that when that announcement came out in 714 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: the wee hours of early October from the president's own 715 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: Twitter account. Let's leave a little whether or not he 716 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 1: actually wrote that one. A lot of politicians have a 717 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: team writing their tweets. When that came out, How crazy 718 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: is it that so many people thought it was a hoax? Yeah, crazy, 719 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: but also not super crazy. I mean, there's a there's 720 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: a really great article that just came out today on 721 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,439 Speaker 1: the New York Times. The headline is Trump's COVID news 722 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,439 Speaker 1: meets a landscape primed for mistrust, and that rings true 723 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: in so many ways because the whole idea of fake news, 724 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: the whole idea of little white lies and bigger lies, 725 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: and perhaps how truthful the president's administration has been about 726 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: certain things, and the idea of kind of subverting reality 727 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, you know, what we know 728 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: to be objectively true things, um is is very much 729 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: a product of what we're going through right now with 730 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: social media, with the idea of these conspiracy theories like 731 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: Q and on with the way so many of these 732 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: things have really been leaned in and been been so 733 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: divisive between the left and the right and moderates and 734 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,320 Speaker 1: extremists on both sides of of of this administration politically, 735 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 1: and um the little kind of blurb I guess abstract 736 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: for this article, as a president who rose to fame 737 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: in business and on TV and in politics on an 738 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: archipelago of exaggerations, finds himself facing a public skeptical of 739 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: his account of his own health. Uh. And and that 740 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: sort of sums it up where at the end of 741 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: the day, it's easy whether you support Trump or against 742 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: Trump as to where you fall on this. You know, 743 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 1: and there's a bevy of you know, theories that are 744 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: already coming out and just a very short amount of 745 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: time on both sides of this, and uh, there is 746 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: is you know, let's go with the most extreme lefty 747 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: type dude you could ever imagine, Michael Moore, who very 748 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: quickly floated this idea on his Facebook page that Trump's 749 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: coronavirus diagnosis was a fake in order to help him 750 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: rally folks around him the debate. Dodge the debate perhaps 751 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: elicit some sympathy in some respect. Um. Whether or not 752 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: that is even an effective tactic, even if that was 753 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: the case is certainly up for debate. Um why why 754 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: why would he dodge the debate? I could feel this one, Yeah, 755 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 1: Matt because Uh. One of the primary criticisms of the 756 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: debates from multiple observers is is that they did not 757 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: adhere to the rules of the debate, like the two 758 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: uninterrupted minutes they made such a big deal about. Uh. 759 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: So the idea, and this largely comes from supporters of 760 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: the President's opponent in the upcoming election, uh, former VP 761 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. The idea there was that uh the Trump 762 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,919 Speaker 1: campaign floated uh like like floated the first debate. See 763 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: how people react, and when people reacted adversely to the 764 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: President's performance, they were able to take out their back 765 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: pocket insurance policy, which was COVID. I'm not saying this 766 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: makes sense to me because given the past behavior the 767 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: administration relation to this infection, it seems like really shooting 768 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,760 Speaker 1: oneself in the foot, unless the calculus is to create 769 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: some sort of similar situation similar to that of Boris Johnson, 770 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of the UK, who encountered a groundswell 771 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,280 Speaker 1: of support from some sectors when he survived COVID nineteen. 772 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 1: That's right, Ben, And I've certainly seen that perspective brought 773 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: up the Boris Johnson comparison, but that I've also seen that, 774 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: you know, his his approval ratings quickly tanked, and he 775 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: is very unpopular Boris Johnson, and in the UK UM 776 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: currently and and and if this was a thing, and 777 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 1: this was you know, he did get that ground swell, 778 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: it was only in some sectors and not like overwhelmingly 779 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: everyone all all of a sudden felt sympathy for this 780 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: man UM. So that would be a very risky move. 781 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 1: And I tend to not think this is a thing UM. 782 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: I think given all the other confirmations of people contracting 783 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: it in proximity to the President, it absolutely rings true 784 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: that this is absolutely a true diagnosis UM. The question 785 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: is the severity, uh, the subterfuge surrounding his treatment. There 786 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: is even a photo op that was organized of him 787 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 1: signing uh supposedly a document or a piece of legislation 788 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: or something that was staged. There there behind the scenes 789 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: photos showing that it was a blank piece of paper 790 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 1: of him in the presidential suite of Walter Reed, which 791 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: is a thing, and it's made to very much look 792 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: like the Oval Office. There's flags behind him and he's 793 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: sitting at a desk with no tie on um. And 794 00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: then his daughter Ivanka tweeted out that hey, Key's unstoppable, 795 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: He's invincible. Nothing will stop him from working for the 796 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: American people. And this image of him signing this paper, 797 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: but then there's a close up showing that there's nothing 798 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: on the paper but him signing. That stop behind the scenes. 799 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: That's just right. But there are two there are two photos. 800 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: Yahoo News I believe dug into the metadata of those photos, 801 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: and it seems they were taking ten minutes apart or so, 802 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: which they were saying that they were at Walter Reid. 803 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,879 Speaker 1: Though I don't think they were trying to mislead people 804 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: by saying it was at the White Absolutely not. I 805 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: don't think it's interesting how it looks. You know, the 806 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: idea of a presidential suite at Walter Reid obviously makes sense, 807 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: but it's a it's an interesting concept, one that I 808 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 1: had never really thought about. But yeah, it very much 809 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: looks like a very fancy type of office situation, you know, 810 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: with a with a big, you know, fancy presidential desk. Um. So, 811 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: so that's one. And that's absolutely confirmed that that the 812 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,839 Speaker 1: metadata thing he said is absolutely true. Um. There's an 813 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: article on the BBC that kind of goes through and 814 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: and confirms somewhat and debunks many of these theories surrounding 815 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: what might or might not be be happening with with 816 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 1: the president. Well, I'll tell you one that I saw, Nolan, 817 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,920 Speaker 1: let me know if you read anything about this. Uh, 818 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: the concept I mentioned it earlier, the concept that the 819 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: president was purposefully infected by someone from the opposition. Uh. 820 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: And it was a very purposeful thing and it was 821 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: done during the first presidential debate of that happened in September. 822 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think I've seen that one. 823 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,880 Speaker 1: Matt Well, Well, that was that was I mean, it 824 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: seems to be a baseless rumor at this point, at least, 825 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: I've seen no evidence in any way like concerning this. 826 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: But it was tweeted out by a lot of people, 827 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: two hundreds of thousands of other people who then tweeted 828 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: it out, um and again it was just it was 829 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 1: very vague. It was just saying, you know, this was 830 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,840 Speaker 1: done purposefully to infect the president before the next debate 831 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: and to hurt his election possibilities. But how would you 832 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 1: get past how would you get past all those people? 833 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: Every single president in the modern age, excuse me, every 834 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 1: single U S president in the modern age has had 835 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 1: someone try to get to them for one reason or another. 836 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: It is very difficult. Well, I hear you. However, in 837 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 1: this scenario, all you need is somebody who is definitely infected, 838 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,840 Speaker 1: who is going to be at one of these places 839 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 1: where ppe precautions are not being taken, and it's almost 840 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,040 Speaker 1: all of them. So all you need is get one 841 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,959 Speaker 1: person in that you know is going to have close 842 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: contact with either the President, the first lady or you know, 843 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: his assistant and aid somebody who's going to be preparing 844 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 1: for the debates with him. It's just well, and then 845 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: surely know with these fundraiser events for these high level folks. 846 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine they're requiring everyone to present 847 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: a negative COVID test, you know, before gaining admittance to 848 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: this thing. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I I 849 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,799 Speaker 1: highly doubt that, especially considering the attitude the administration has 850 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,399 Speaker 1: had towards a lot of this stuff and the fact 851 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: that they're doing these indoor events or indoor outdoor. I mean, 852 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: most of them have been outdoor events, but there have 853 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: been a few of these that are as an indoor portion. 854 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: And that was the one with the select group of 855 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 1: high level donors that spend a lot of money to 856 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: to be to be at this thing. And now I 857 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,840 Speaker 1: I realized I am seeing this. Uh. In this BBC 858 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: list the idea of the intentional infection, but it doesn't 859 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 1: go into that specifically, UH as much as it does 860 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: the idea that his public appearances have been a body double, 861 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: which is something we always hear about when it comes 862 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,759 Speaker 1: to like, you know, Kim Jong un, for example, potentially 863 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: being dead or hill and uh, you know, um being 864 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 1: misleading the public and thinking that he's fine by having 865 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: a body double of some sort. That's tough. I I 866 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: do want to before you move on to that when 867 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: I want to go back though, because I'm delighted. Conspiratorial 868 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,800 Speaker 1: part of me is delighted by the idea so on 869 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,799 Speaker 1: purposely spreading COVID. It's kind of ridiculous because COVID has 870 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: a very has a lower fatality rate, right, I mean 871 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,920 Speaker 1: he is in the co rabidity demographic. He definitely has 872 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 1: a higher chance of dying than a lot of the 873 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: people listening to the show today. But um, but it 874 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: doesn't seem very uh effective. You know, this is a 875 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,879 Speaker 1: pr war. I don't understand the efficacy. But to your 876 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: point about the body double, Um, do they have any 877 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 1: like proposed evidence or is it just like literally a 878 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,840 Speaker 1: BBC thing where they're saying some people have said that 879 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: it's just tweets. Uh, you know from accounts of of 880 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:53,839 Speaker 1: Democratic supporters with lots of you know, retweets, thousands of retweets. Um. 881 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,319 Speaker 1: You know, of course we know body double conspiracies are 882 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 1: super common or even uh leveled at Hillary Clinton when 883 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: she was a Democratic nominee. When she was she fell ill, 884 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, for for that brief period of time and 885 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: I believe had to either cancel a debate or Yeah, 886 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: there was a whole thing and and and Donald Trump 887 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,280 Speaker 1: really jumped on that and even kind of openly mocked 888 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: her for being sick and sort of made fun of 889 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,240 Speaker 1: her coughing and saying, I can't for even all this stuff, 890 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 1: which has not aged particularly well, uh, when it's being 891 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 1: used now, you know, given the circumstances. Sure, yeah, that's 892 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's true. We have to be careful. 893 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: Words have power, and uh, that's that's why so much 894 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 1: of our legal system is centered on the idea that 895 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,840 Speaker 1: your words can be used against you later, right, and 896 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: you know, uh, it honestly makes sense that that kind 897 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: of statement would come back to haunt someone. There's something 898 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 1: else you were saying, though, all that I had not 899 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,719 Speaker 1: heard of until right before we went to area. Were 900 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,279 Speaker 1: talking about this or when we're on a break. Uh, 901 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: we know that the president was ministers supplemental oxygen, right, 902 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 1: and the doctors, Yeah, the doctors had eventually confirmed that 903 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,800 Speaker 1: after giving some conflicting, really weasel word accounts. Uh, but 904 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 1: what's this about a what's about like a secret oxygen tank? 905 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: This was news to me. Yeah, there's you know there 906 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 1: there's footage of of the president boarding Marine one, uh, 907 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: to to make his way to the hospital for his 908 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 1: treatment to Walter Reid. And you know, there's some folks 909 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,760 Speaker 1: that have posted images of this and zooming in on 910 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: his h you know, a suit jacket pocket is large, 911 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: can be large, and zooming in and highlighting that there's 912 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 1: something bulging in there, um, and the implication is that 913 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: it was a secret oxygen tank. And then also zooming 914 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: in on his ear behind his mask and you can 915 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,840 Speaker 1: kind of see a something running up behind his mask 916 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 1: that isn't just the the elastic bands of the mask itself. Um, 917 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: So well, hopefully that's his secret service, you know, super 918 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: awesome connection that all spies and presidents get right what 919 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: one would one would certainly hope. And then then this 920 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: feeds into the idea of of downplaying all of this stuff. 921 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: And and then the BBC article sort of compares it 922 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: to this idea that Joe Biden was wearing an earpiece 923 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: um that helped him during the debate. And we've seen 924 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,480 Speaker 1: that come up before and past debates. But but you know, 925 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: I I tend to not truly I think there's much 926 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 1: sand to that either, but but it is something that's 927 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: being thrown around. You know. Another another concept that's coming 928 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: out of the Q and On space right now is 929 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 1: that this is all a trick that President Trump and 930 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,680 Speaker 1: those close to him are playing on everybody to try 931 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: and you know, move forward with some of the arrests 932 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: that are supposed to be happening for d Chess. Yeah, 933 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: take that step. I don't know. I mean, part of 934 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: me wants that to be true, like so badly wants 935 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: that to be true, that all of this is one big, 936 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 1: real Q and On thing, Like it's all real and 937 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 1: it's all been a stage play. But um, the majority 938 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 1: of me knows that that's not true. Sadly. The Guardian has, 939 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: as they could one on that, Matt the idea, Yeah, 940 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: the idea that um and they quote Q and On 941 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: followers on this. Uh. Their their idea, at least has 942 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: reported in The Guardian is that COVID nineteen itself is 943 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: a hoax that was meant to deflect attention from a 944 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: Satan worshiping child abuser ring operated by Hillary Clinton and 945 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,760 Speaker 1: various elites, and that Trump is actually pretending to have 946 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: COVID even though it's a hoax. I feel like you 947 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 1: need a whiteboard straight. He's been pretending to have COVID 948 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: even though it's a hoax, cause it's a step in 949 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 1: some obtunse plan to ultimately arrest uh. Clinton is like 950 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: the main person they point out, but they are numerous others. 951 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure Barack Obama is mentioned or other like historical 952 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:21,200 Speaker 1: uh historically important Democrats who would be seen as opponents 953 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 1: of the current Republican administration. Makes you wonder though Jimmy 954 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Carter doesn't get mentioned in a lot of those, does 955 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: he No? And and just by the way, I just 956 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,400 Speaker 1: was looking a little further into the secret oxygen tank 957 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 1: thing and Snopes came right up um showing that the 958 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,479 Speaker 1: stills that indicate this bulge and like a screen grab 959 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: or a photograph of a television news broadcast showing this 960 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: wire running up this the President's ear were doctored and 961 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: that this is absolute bunk um. So just putting that 962 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: out there. But you know, people, the imagination runs wild, 963 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 1: and people have all kinds of agendas to your point, 964 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Ben of how do how do you spend this in 965 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 1: a way that he is beneficial to cause one cause 966 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: or another or enemies you know that are looking for 967 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,360 Speaker 1: a foothold. Guys, can I bring one last thing up? 968 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: And I know we need to wrap or going long. 969 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Apologies everyone, but also you're welcome. UM. Twitter, I want 970 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,840 Speaker 1: to talk about what happened on Twitter when the President 971 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: announced that he and Milannia had coronavirus. So many people 972 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: were lightly and heavily wishing i'll just say it, death 973 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:40,200 Speaker 1: upon the sitting president. UM. And then Twitter came forward 974 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: and said, hey, guys, you can't do that. Don't put 975 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: death you know, wishes or don't put death threats in 976 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,560 Speaker 1: this kind of inappropriate stuff on Twitter. And then the 977 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,400 Speaker 1: backlash that came back from Twitter users across the planet 978 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 1: who have experienced their own death threats, light or otherwise. UM, 979 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,880 Speaker 1: and how nothing was done even though those were reported. 980 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: There was a fascinating a change that began happening on 981 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 1: Friday and over the weekend. UM. That's still being fought 982 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,840 Speaker 1: on one of the largest social media networks that exists. UM. 983 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,959 Speaker 1: But just that concept of, I don't know, wishing death 984 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,440 Speaker 1: on a sitting president is something that is not allowed 985 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: or at least threatening. You're not allowed to threaten. I 986 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: think wishing death and threatening are two very different things. Yeah, 987 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,800 Speaker 1: it's weird because it's it's something we've run into before 988 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: in past. There was an odd language problem with Farsi 989 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: and English about death to insert here is so crazy 990 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: because if you talk to someone who speaks Farsi, it's like, um, 991 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: saying death too is a lot like saying uh, yeah, well, 992 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: well not even that, it's like saying um, it's like 993 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the way we say this in English. It's like saying traffic. 994 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,440 Speaker 1: It's not the like to us in English, death too 995 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 1: means I hope someone finds you and slowly in your life. 996 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: But in other languages, at least in Farsi, it's it's 997 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 1: more like, uh, screw this, I think it's bad. Uh, 998 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 1: which doesn't make you know, I think it's It would 999 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: be naive to say people who speak Farsi are not 1000 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 1: well aware of what of how how much heavier of 1001 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,240 Speaker 1: an impact that has in English. But the idea of 1002 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:42,120 Speaker 1: death too in Twitter is also very close to something 1003 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,880 Speaker 1: that uh, this administration was already pushing for, which is 1004 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 1: making social media platforms liable for the statements of their users. Right, 1005 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: you guys remember that for sure, And that's that's a 1006 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,920 Speaker 1: big deal. Um, And I do want to plan out 1007 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 1: to that. I do think it's a little bit interesting 1008 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,840 Speaker 1: that you know a lot of Trump supporters I think 1009 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: really value Trump's ability to kind of trash talk liberals 1010 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: and and his detractors very effectively and kind of rile 1011 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,560 Speaker 1: people up and get under people's skin by saying some 1012 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,280 Speaker 1: pretty inflammatory things and leveling insults and giving people these 1013 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of offensive nicknames. Um. But now all 1014 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, when the tables are turned and people 1015 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,680 Speaker 1: are you know, maybe pointing out the somewhat ironic nature 1016 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,280 Speaker 1: of Trump coming down with this condition that he has 1017 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: been so adamant about not being that big a deal. Um, 1018 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 1: it seems like there's some hypocrisy there too, where folks 1019 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 1: are saying, you know, these people are horrible people for 1020 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,800 Speaker 1: speaking ill of the presidents, you know, when he's a 1021 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,479 Speaker 1: sick man. When Trump is openly criticized folks for wearing 1022 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,240 Speaker 1: masks and having certain conditions and things like that. Yeah, 1023 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,280 Speaker 1: that's an excellent point. Let's also, you know, let's not 1024 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 1: forget that we are talking about one very important person. 1025 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: Whomever is the president of the United States at any 1026 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:08,240 Speaker 1: given time is a very important person, and uh, by 1027 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,440 Speaker 1: nature of their position, they're also a very dangerous person. 1028 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,280 Speaker 1: That's not a value judgment about them as individuals. It's 1029 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,240 Speaker 1: a value judgment about that position. One thing that I 1030 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: think is missing from the conversation is the over two 1031 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand confirmed COVID nineteen deaths here in the United States. 1032 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 1: It shouldn't take one person, no matter how important, getting 1033 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, for us to care about hundreds of thousands 1034 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 1: of other people who are never going to be able 1035 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:43,480 Speaker 1: to speak about their ultimate firsthand experience with COVID nineteen ever. Again, 1036 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,080 Speaker 1: unless somebody really does pierce the mortal veil, unless a 1037 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 1: WEGIA board really does work, those people are dead. Uh 1038 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: And and you know, of course, of course there are 1039 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,160 Speaker 1: conspiratorial things about this. I mean, I I don't know. 1040 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: I I keep thinking over and over, like, I don't 1041 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,880 Speaker 1: think it could be a hoax. There are too many players, 1042 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There are too many doctors, 1043 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 1: There are too many people who are involved at this point. 1044 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,960 Speaker 1: But I don't know the degree of that infection. And 1045 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think a lot of us do. 1046 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to come out yet for 1047 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,120 Speaker 1: a while, you know, maybe three weeks from now, maybe 1048 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,440 Speaker 1: four weeks, maybe after the election. I don't know. We're 1049 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,800 Speaker 1: just as such a sensitive time as a nation right now. 1050 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 1: It feels just like I mean, it would have leaked. 1051 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, they had to get ahead of it. They 1052 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,920 Speaker 1: had to own the narrative. Um, and that's what they did. 1053 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, to your point about the 1054 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,760 Speaker 1: other people, the two thousand plus people who can never 1055 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,240 Speaker 1: speak about their experience again, they've already the administration's kind 1056 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: of spun it um. There's a tweet that you sent 1057 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,480 Speaker 1: us been where another surrogate from the Trump administration pointed 1058 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:58,560 Speaker 1: out how now Trump has firsthand experience in this struggle 1059 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,360 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden could never have. And it's almost the 1060 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: implication that they're they're spinning it as like this is 1061 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: a good thing that's going to help him fight the 1062 01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: disease better. And I don't know, well, yeah, I mean 1063 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,760 Speaker 1: if we if we all get if we all had 1064 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 1: access to experimental anti viral cocktails, then yeah, maybe we 1065 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 1: would be y'all better off? I mean, would we That's 1066 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: there's still experimental. We have to remember that, you know 1067 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, That's like that's a that's inherently a 1068 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,920 Speaker 1: risk thing, but it gives you, it gives you time 1069 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: to think. These are these are very very important and 1070 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:42,640 Speaker 1: crucial issues, because we are not talking about to be 1071 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,440 Speaker 1: very very clear, we're not talking really about an individual, 1072 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: whatever they're uh perceived virtues or vices. Maybe we're talking 1073 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: about someone who is the public face of his superpower. 1074 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about the role in the position of the 1075 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: president of the United States. And with that in mind, 1076 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I wish we could fast forward as a group two 1077 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,240 Speaker 1: October twelve and then back and tell ourselves what's going 1078 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 1: to happen, because I was thinking about it this morning. Uh, 1079 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,280 Speaker 1: how many years long is this week going to be? 1080 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Approximately two point four yea, 1081 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:30,640 Speaker 1: as we travel at the speed of fright. And with that, 1082 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,120 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. Uh, what do you 1083 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,640 Speaker 1: think is the true story here? Is it what we 1084 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:42,679 Speaker 1: are being told by the pr folks, by the medical 1085 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: professionals and Walter read by the various pundits and observers, 1086 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,200 Speaker 1: or is there something more to the story. If so, 1087 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,799 Speaker 1: what let us know. You can find us on Instagram, 1088 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,559 Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook. 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