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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Official Jests Podcast. Dangling a stake in

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Speaker 1: Jermaine, how you been been good?

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Speaker 3: H Not gonna lie. You know, I'm respecting the challenges

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Speaker 3: and I'll continue to do that as they come. But uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm stronger than I realized, and you know

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Speaker 3: it's not as hard as I thought it was gonna be,

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Speaker 3: So I'm grateful for that. Uh, But I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 3: the hardest thing is not being there for my guys

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Speaker 3: and not being available for my guys. To be honest,

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Speaker 3: what do.

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Speaker 1: You mean by it hasn't been as hard as you

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Speaker 1: thought it.

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Speaker 3: Would be, Because I mean, one of the first things

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Speaker 3: I said when I went down was I'm not I

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Speaker 3: can't do this. I'm not strong enough to do this

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Speaker 3: because I've never been hurt. I just have seen guys

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Speaker 3: go down, and I couldn't imagine being away from the game,

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Speaker 3: being away from your teammates that long. And I just

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Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, kudos to them. I don't

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Speaker 3: think I'd be strong enough to do that. And then

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Speaker 3: sure enough I got hurt for the first time in

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Speaker 3: my life September sixteenth, I believe. Yeah, So that was

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Speaker 3: just like, I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Do you really feel that in the moment, because look

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Speaker 1: at all the things that you've overcome to get this spot.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously it was.

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Speaker 3: Everything was fun it because I mean the first time,

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Speaker 3: I said, like before I went and got surgery, I

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Speaker 3: talked to the whole team and the team meeting, and

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Speaker 3: I was just like, I mean, I was crying so much.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't really because like on the field, I was

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Speaker 3: just crying a lot. It wasn't because like me like

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Speaker 3: I'm missing my seasons because I talked so much shit

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Speaker 3: out there to everybody because I want to go out

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Speaker 3: there and you know, put on for y'all. Like I

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Speaker 3: like the fact like I took that with pride, the

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Speaker 3: fact that I want to change and change the Jets

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Speaker 3: narrative and do everything I can for him. And the

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Speaker 3: fact that it all came crashing down and one routine

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Speaker 3: play is like, you know, it really hit me hard.

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Speaker 3: And I just seen guys like starting to hold around me,

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Speaker 3: and it just play back to you know when I

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Speaker 3: good friends Jayalen Phillips, who I was with out there

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Speaker 3: in LA getting getting fixed up. But I've seen that

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Speaker 3: imagine what he's going through and his team circling around him,

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Speaker 3: and all those moments are flushing in my head, like damn,

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Speaker 3: I'm that guy now, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 3: I always thought I was invincible, you know, And I'm

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Speaker 3: going into my third year. I'm about to become Defensive

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Speaker 3: Like I worked my butt off, everybody works their butt off.

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Speaker 3: Injuries is uh excited to say, but I think injuries

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Speaker 3: is part of or the the elusive act of not

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Speaker 3: being injured is part of the greatness of the support

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Speaker 3: because it's not easy. This is a whole other unforeseen,

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Speaker 3: And you know, unfore I didn't do that this time around,

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Speaker 3: like maybe three four days, and I like, look myself

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Speaker 3: just another thing you get to say you you overcame.

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Speaker 3: And as corny as it sounds like, I'm competitive, like

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of I'm messed up in the head.

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Speaker 5: I'm like too competitive.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, now I get to when I'm talking

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Speaker 3: letting this guy do this to y'all just told my

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Speaker 3: Achilles last year? Why you let me do this to?

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Speaker 3: You know, this is where my head is going. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to compete again.

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Speaker 1: So you really blamed yourself in that moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I put everything on myself.

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Speaker 3: I just started thinking like, well, maybe I didn't ice

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Speaker 3: that's where my head went. Obviously, you know, things happened

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Speaker 3: for the place happened. But part of what changed my

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Speaker 5: So that's what I did.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, well, next year, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: the rest. But trust I'll do everything with my partner.

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Speaker 3: And I let that happen again, so I won't let

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Speaker 1: You said, routine play. In that split second, it.

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Speaker 5: Was crazy I've done.

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Speaker 3: I've done way crazier things than that little step right there,

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Speaker 3: like where I'm like, ooh, I probably should have got

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Speaker 3: it was just like a little you know, playing in

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Speaker 3: an ankle here there I've been stepped on. What was

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Speaker 3: wasn't any pain, no, no, it was like a felt

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Speaker 3: I actually thought Saws did it or whoever it was

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Speaker 3: to cousin. I was like, bro, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Like watch what you're doing? And there was nobody behind me,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, shit, okay, let me try to

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Speaker 3: just rabbed my arms around my knees and then I

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Speaker 3: remember that I looked over and I seen the medical

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Speaker 3: like I felt it. I was like, yeah, my achilles

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Speaker 5: It's crazy, and they came out, They're like, what's wrong?

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Speaker 3: What's wrong? Like are you okay? I was silent for

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Speaker 5: I was like, I know that, Yeah, I know that.

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Speaker 3: And they did the little field test and you know,

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Speaker 5: I just start looking at all the guys' faces.

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Speaker 3: So I just went through camp with and you know,

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Speaker 3: we all had big aspirations to change this organization around,

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Speaker 3: and we all put an extra work in to do so.

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Speaker 3: And I just seen my know, everything that people were

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Speaker 1: What was the timeline like in terms of you getting

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Speaker 3: I mean, you go in, you get the surgery, you

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Speaker 3: can't obviously put any weight on it, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's shitty. I'm not gonna lie because you got I

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Speaker 3: don't really let anyone do anything for me, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. I take pride in trying to get

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Speaker 3: you done myself. And you know, that's a that's a

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Speaker 5: So I have my.

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Speaker 5: And I started streaming on Twitch and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just started streaming and you know, sitting

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Speaker 1: Were saying before that you're playing every game. Yeah, what's

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Speaker 3: It used to be Call of Duty and everything kind

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Speaker 5: So I mean it's just been really keeping me busy.

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Speaker 3: QT Cinderella Streaming Awards and it was for the best

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Speaker 3: because I mean I'm new to the community and music cool,

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Speaker 3: because as a football player, you don't really don't really

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Speaker 3: of football, because you're playing footballs what you're around your

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Speaker 3: anybody else. In your life, so you don't this is

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Speaker 3: like your life. And then like that it was like, well,

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Speaker 3: what people are talking about. Like I got to figure

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Speaker 3: you know, allow myself to get in a dark place.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the dark places are gonna come naturally, but

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Speaker 3: like I said, I mean there's something that I did,

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Speaker 1: What's like, what's life like in southern California? How much

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Speaker 3: Forth, It's been all right, you know, it sounds like,

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Speaker 5: Like I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I told him, I said, if I could go out

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Speaker 1: You had a sophomore jump. I mean you ended up

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Speaker 5: Was I knew how much the guys.

437
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,200
Speaker 3: Were relying on me, not just on the field, So

438
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 3: for them to lose me and me to not be

439
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,600
Speaker 3: able to give how much I knew I could get

440
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:40,720
Speaker 3: it was really the hardest port.

441
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 1: How crazy has all this been from afar watching how

442
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,040
Speaker 1: the season unfolded is Jeff Albroke was saying this week,

443
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,240
Speaker 1: he said, we were coming back from San Francisco. That

444
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,240
Speaker 1: gave me just reference week one, and somebody repeated on

445
00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,159
Speaker 1: the plane they said it a couple of times. If

446
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 1: we get to two and one, we're gonna get to

447
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 1: two and one, then we're gonna get on a roll. Well,

448
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 1: they got to two and one and then unfortunately it never happened.

449
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,640
Speaker 1: You got to interim high coach. Now all Brick gets promoted,

450
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,639
Speaker 1: you got an interim GM, and Phil Savage, the guy

451
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,200
Speaker 1: who drafted do Joe Douglas of.

452
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,160
Speaker 3: Course not here anymore.

453
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it was all hard, bro.

454
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 3: Obviously, there was just so much coming on and at me,

455
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,439
Speaker 3: coming at me, like all at once. Is it's just

456
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,159
Speaker 3: like I became numb at the beginning. Yeah, I'm like,

457
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 3: all right, well, I can't walk, can't help my team,

458
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 3: I mean the front office, the firings are happening, the

459
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 3: you know, we're just not where we need to be

460
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 3: on the field. This is like I eat, breathe, and sleep,

461
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,959
Speaker 3: you know, the New York Jets, my team and my teammates, Like,

462
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 3: that's that's.

463
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 5: My life.

464
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 3: And that all I wasn't going good and I just wasn't.

465
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't be available, So that was the worst part.

466
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: Do you worry about the guys, some of the younger

467
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,400
Speaker 1: guys who should be the cornerstone pieces here like yourself,

468
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 1: how the losing will impact them down the line? How

469
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 1: do you kind of shield yourself from that and say, hey, listen,

470
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: this sucks, but we are all going to be part

471
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: of turning around.

472
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

473
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's where my head is. My head's

474
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 3: never gonna leave. Call it, call me a competitor, I

475
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 3: don't care. I want to. I'd said that when I

476
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 3: got drafted here, I was going to be part of

477
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 3: what changed this whole thing. And that's that's where I'm

478
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 3: gonna be at this is the place I've been at

479
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 3: longer than anywhere else since high school. And even high school,

480
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 3: I was only in varsity for the.

481
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 5: Junior and senior year.

482
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 1: Is that wild to think of right now? Yeah, you're

483
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 1: going to be entering year four next year.

484
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

485
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, this is the place I've

486
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 3: been at the longest junior college, high school Division one.

487
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 3: This is my home technically speaking, I've never been anywhere longer.

488
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 3: And I made a vow that I was gonna change

489
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,239
Speaker 3: this place around and do everything I could to do so.

490
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 3: And I mean the other guys they got to make

491
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 3: that decision. That's on them. But I mean, I know

492
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: how I'm thinking, And I mean, the just are gonna

493
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 3: get everything out of me humanly possible. They already got

494
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 3: an Achilles. Look, I give everything, like I already.

495
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: But why do you feel so invested?

496
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 6: Because this is this is rare A lot of times

497
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 6: I'm not saying rare for here, but a lot of

498
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 6: times in the NFL, guys start getting paid things like that,

499
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 6: and I don't want to say their mercenaries, but they

500
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 6: don't feel the way you do.

501
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, I grew up watching sports in a different way.

502
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 3: You got guys spending all their whole career on the team.

503
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 3: Obviously until the back end of their career, but for

504
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 3: the most part, spending the whole, you know, prime years

505
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 3: on one team. And that meant something to me, That

506
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: meant something to them. You could see it. There's more passion.

507
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 3: I play this for it because I love it. I

508
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 3: play the sport because you're playing for something bigger than yourself.

509
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: And I mean, if you ever start letting the money

510
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: become what you're playing for, is I mean you just

511
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 3: you're not going to perform as well. It's not going

512
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: to mean as much. And that's gonna hurt. That's just

513
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: gonna hurt. Everything like this, I fell in love with

514
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 3: the love of the game, the passion, the putting your

515
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: body on the line for your team. How are you

516
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: going to do that if you don't even see it

517
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 3: that way? You see money signs like, I get it,

518
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 3: Trust me, I get it. I came from I ain't

519
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 3: come from nothing, but I ain't come from much, so

520
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 3: I get it. Like you want to get the most

521
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: money possible, especially with all these taxes, especially in New York.

522
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: I get it. But I strongly believe not valuing the

523
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: dollar I value character one hundred percent and I can't

524
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 3: say that and not do that in my case. So obviously,

525
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 3: if the money looks right, great, But I said I

526
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 3: do something here, and until I do it, I'm not

527
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: going anywhere unless obviously it's out of my hands.

528
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: But what is culture means you? When people toss that

529
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: word around, and what's your definition of it as a

530
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: guy puts his body.

531
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: On the line selfless one hundred percent? To build a

532
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: good culture, you have to be selfless everybody does or

533
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: else it ain't gonna work. It's gonna mean nothing. So

534
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: uss you got a good culture, you don't have anything.

535
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 3: In my opinion. I mean, you can have all the

536
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: talent in the world. And I've been a part of

537
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: teams like that. I know it don't mean much. But

538
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: my junior college team my first year, nobody knew anybody

539
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: and I was included.

540
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 5: I was what I was in junior college.

541
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: Nobody knew my name, and we won the first championship

542
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: was it conference championship in bowl gamering and the first

543
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 3: time there in fifty years. The town middle nowhere, but

544
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: it made those people in that town happy as hell.

545
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: And the second year we had all the hype.

546
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

547
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: We have Netflix, then they have Netflix again. Yeah, oh

548
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 3: my god, these guys. We have D one bounced back

549
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: after D one bounce back. I mean, we look great.

550
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 3: We have so many stars on the team. Bro, we

551
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: finished two and eight. The talent doesn't mean anything. It's

552
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 3: about the culture you build. We could care less about

553
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: the cameras my first year. The second year, people were

554
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: there because of their cameras. Yeah, it's culture means everything

555
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: in this sport, in any sport in my opinion. So

556
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care how it looks. I don't

557
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: care who we have. I want guys on the field

558
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: with me that care about it, that will put their

559
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: body on the line, like I said, that will play

560
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 3: every play, record zero stat just so we could win.

561
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: What would you tell these candidates for the head coaching

562
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: position and the GM position about the Jets, the organization

563
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: and also this fan base that is so desperate for

564
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: a winners.

565
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: Obviously, it's not easy.

566
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be easy, especially like you said, in

567
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 3: a sport that's being or in a profession that's being

568
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: so heavily monetized, it's gonna be hard to build it

569
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: how it's supposed to be built, how this sport is

570
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: meant to be built. But it's got to get done.

571
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: Like I'll be the first to say, I'll put everything aside.

572
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: I'll put my body on the line, like I said,

573
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: I don't care, I'm gonna play.

574
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 5: My goal is to play.

575
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: Every single game next year, every single game. That's my

576
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: first goal. But you have to put your You gotta

577
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: have a culture. You gotta have a locker room full

578
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: of guys care locker room full of guys that would

579
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: put everything online, full of guys that's ready to fight,

580
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: full of guys that's I mean, just grimey, just fighters.

581
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: Bro like you got it, Like no divas. You can't

582
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 5: have feet.

583
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: Like like me. I'm not even too my alone. I

584
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: like looking good, I like dressing nice, but when that

585
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 3: helmet come on, it's a whole different game. Yeah, So

586
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: you need you need guys like that. And I mean

587
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 3: that's just how I think. I'm not no GM, I'm

588
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 3: not no head coach, But when you got me on

589
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: your team, you ain't got worried about me. I'm going

590
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: one way and I'm bringing people with me. So you

591
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 3: just need a lot of guys with the same mindset,

592
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: And like I told you, this year, I was I

593
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: was looking forward to being, you know, one of the

594
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: bigger leaders on this team. I was looking forward to

595
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: being a pillar on this team in this organization.

596
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 5: And you know, next year's my chance.

597
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: You know what's odd since your injury took place so

598
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: early in the season, I think when people evaluate the

599
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Jets, they forget how big of a

600
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: piece you were gonna as far as this season is concerned.

601
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting just just because people live in a moment,

602
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: and then I'll look back to Week two and say, wow,

603
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: this defense might have looked a lot different if Maine's

604
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: playing on that edge. Well, McDonald's it's like a big

605
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: step himself here.

606
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: Two. How excited are you to team up with him

607
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 3: moving ahead? Extremely excited? But that's not that's not how

608
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: great he can be. Yeah, that's not even close. So

609
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm excited for him. And I told him,

610
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 3: I told him, I'm about to tell him, tell you

611
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 3: exactly what I told him. Like, I'm not I'm not

612
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: excited for that. I'm not excited for double digit sacks,

613
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: even though I haven't even got that yet technically. But

614
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm not excited for that. He's he can be a

615
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: game wrecker like offenses cannot run plays or not do

616
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: certain things because he's on the field. And I mean,

617
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: I feel like he can be that player game in

618
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: and game out, and I feel like he can go

619
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: and get twenty sacks. He's just scratching the surface. And

620
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: I and I remind him that because especially when you're

621
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: you're playing a place like New York, when you do bad,

622
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: they're going to let you know. When you do good,

623
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: they're also going to let you know. And you can't

624
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 3: eat that up.

625
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 5: You can't.

626
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: You gotta just you have a standard and you set

627
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: that you aim for the stars, and some people may

628
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: aim for this guy for you like that's still high,

629
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: but no, I'm aiming for the stars. And I mean

630
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: that's just what I talked to Will about and he

631
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: knows that, and he's he's still going to be hungry,

632
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm excited to go out there with him.

633
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 3: I was excited to do that this year, but God

634
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: had other plans, And awkwardly enough, I'm super excited for

635
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: next year, probably more so than I was this year.

636
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, every step when you've encountered adversity in your life,

637
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: you've been able to keep on taking steps up the

638
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: ladder and improving.

639
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: Yep.

640
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 3: Do you think that's exactly what's going to.

641
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: Happen here for you? After going through this agonizing ordeal?

642
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: But we have yet to seeing the bus from GERMANE.

643
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I ain't gonna be thousand fans. I

644
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't be worried about how I look next year'll just

645
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 3: I'll just enjoy it. I'll do what I'm supposed to do.

646
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: Thanks bro, Yeah, thank you