WEBVTT - Mick Shots: A Look Back 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.039 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:19.880 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.040 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:28.760 Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:39.479 and Nicky Spagnola. And it is an absolutely beautiful Thursday 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.519 in the metro planks, and it's a beautiful day for 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.960 mix shots as we are putting Baltimore behind us, Bill 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:53.720 Jones along with Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls. Yes, it's 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.760 time we gotta move on, don't we What do you 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:01.279 think we need to move on? No, I'm still in 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.040 that mood. Time for since I'm still in that mood. Yeah, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.400 I'm sorry. You know what, Let's let's ask Bill Belichick 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.880 what we should do. What do you say? Yes, do 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.280 you want to ask Bill Belichick? Let me see. It 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.960 would help if myke it would help, if my audio work. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:25.080 But it does it? So it didn't work. It didn't work. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.119 Why does my computer mute at the most inappropriate time? 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.040 All right, here we go. We're gonna try it again. Here, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:39.840 we're gonna try it again. And here you go, it's 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.120 still muting. Unbelievable. Okay, you know what I run this 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:49.040 thing about as well as the stop the run of 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.320 the other team. Oh no, right, you got muted there, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.600 I got yeah, I got muted. All right, Bill, I'll 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.440 by the other show. I'm gonna figure it out. I'm 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.440 gonna pull out what he was trying to say. Yes, 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.200 we're on to Cincinnati. Okay, We're on to Cincinnati. Right. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.280 I was gonna try and pull you out of the 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:13.360 hole there, Okay, we're on the Cincinnati because you know so, 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.680 I had some stuff ready, but I'm gonna leave it alone. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.680 I was gonna tell you Bill that yesterday, December ninth, 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.079 so twenty nine years ago was the last edition to 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.320 the Dallas Times Herald, And for some reason it hit 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.200 me yesterday and I went upstairs and grabbed the old 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.320 copy that I kept from the last edition, and I 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:40.440 read it cover to cover right the news, the metro, business, 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.040 the sports, and I just want you to know that 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.280 your name is in the last edition of the Dallas 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.639 Times Herald. In a column by I think it was 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:58.720 Skip Bayless mentioned that he got interviewed by Bill Jones. Really, yes, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:04.600 so your name. I'm not sure if I want people 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:11.560 to know that. Yes, in fact, he would be a 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.560 regular guest on when I would fill in for Scott 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:20.800 Murray on Sports Extra on when I worked at Channel five. Right, yeah, right. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.120 And the reason you'll have to send me a copy 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.360 of that, the reason it's in there, it was because 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.360 the last day that we worked was December eighth, and 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:34.840 it was a Cowboys Saints game at Texas Stadium, and 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.440 all the media showed up, you remember that, and we 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.920 were all getting interviewed as we were trying to watch 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.480 the game and contemplate the rest of our lives, knowing 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.880 that this was our last day of work, not knowing 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.960 what the future would hold. But yeah, I they listened, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.760 you know. And the other thing I didn't realize there 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.160 was nine hundred people when you include everybody that was 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:02.680 connected to the paper, the delivery people, you know, press 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.360 and all the press room and all that stuff, there 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.360 was nine hundred people that lost jobs. And they listed 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.600 everybody's name that was on the payroll on two pages 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.359 inside the first section of the paper. Yeah, I've forgotten 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.239 that part, and I don't know if I ever looked 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.040 at it, but it was interesting to read the sports section. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.360 And I'll tell you what it might be twenty nine 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.360 years later, but I'll put that sports section up against 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.159 anybody that they're doing today. It was still pretty comprehensive 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.640 and it was pretty darn good reading too, And it 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.560 was a testament to competition. Yeah, I mean at the 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.960 times here on in the morning news going up against 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.479 each other. I mean that's that created great products on 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.760 both sides of it. And then the fort Worth Pager, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.039 I'll tell you where we created. It created a bunch 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.440 of sacrificial lambs. That's where they created. You had players 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.960 like myself trying to stay out of trouble. You know, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:07.840 you had players like Dennis Thurman were hiding from reporters 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.080 like Gary Myers of course with the news. But then 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.880 who was a gym did? Was it? Uh? It was 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.680 a beat writer for at that time it was myself. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.120 But before when you first got there, it was Jim 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:24.120 Dead before. Yeah, yeah, Jim did high. He's he's lurking 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:29.280 around uh locker rooms and lockers trying to dip in 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.400 on a conversation if you and the fellow defensive back 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.560 or having a beef about the organization. You can bet 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:41.640 the old uh fort Worth Star was right there sneaking 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.480 around with a recorder, trying to trying to dip in 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.039 on our conversation. So yeah, a lot of good people there, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.480 but it was a few of them that that competition 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.520 created a lot of a lot of negativity around that 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.560 locker room. And and that was good for selling papers, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.920 but it was for the for the program itself, for 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:10.360 the Cowboys program. Did we even have recorders back day? Yeah, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.120 one of those. You had one of the most CIA 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.520 records is back in the day. Man, that's what's real. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.120 You have real to real, that's what you have neck 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.839 in day. But anyway, you know, but not only that, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.440 go ahead, I was gonna say not only that is uh. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.040 I can say this from the TV side of things, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.760 the competition was so much greater as far as the 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.440 TV stations are concerned, because the TV stations gave the 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.200 sports more time. I mean we literally here's the difference 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.440 between nineteen ninety and thirty years later here in twenty 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.719 twenty as far as how much time we get for 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.560 our sports cast on the local news. Okay, back in 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.200 nineteen ninety, each station at they would at five o'clock 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.640 you'd get a three minute sportscast and then you'd go 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.200 four minutes at six o'clock and four and a half 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.560 minutes at ten o'clock. That was a standard you go 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.479 from today all the stations we get two minutes at 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.160 six and two minutes and thirty seconds at ten o'clock. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.760 And that's basically it and um. But but the other 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.760 part of that is uh, and this is where the 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:21.000 fans really That's what Everson says. Sometimes it could be 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.520 a detriment for the players. But the access that the 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.800 media had back then, there was no comparison with what 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.760 it is today, even in a non COVID year, especially 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.600 in a COVID year, I mean there was there's basically 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:39.120 no access at all. But uh, back then, I mean 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.000 we had the run of the locker room when yes, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.680 you did exactly you did, and there was there was 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:51.280 some time did that you even are relishing in that fact, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.640 you had the run of my locker room. That back 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.880 not cool at all. I don't know what kind of 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.360 tact that Spagnola had back in the day. But when 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:08.520 you gotta dodge Myers and Dint and skilled Bayliss every day, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.680 and they're looking to take down Tom Landry, they're looking 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.640 to take down tech Schram. They got a beef with 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.600 gil Brant, and then they'll come to me and say, hey, Everson, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.000 what do you think about gil Brant? Hey man, I'm 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.960 I'm in the negotiation right now. Can you get out 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.720 of my face with that, please? Some man? No, No, 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.080 you know, I did. I did, I do, Everson, I 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.559 upgraded the ethics when I got there. Okay, thank god, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:38.760 thank god, thank god. But you remember, we had we 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:43.079 had a little small cubicle office in the at the ranch, 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.319 right there by the entrance where the where the players 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.760 came in, so that mine said it was the first 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.080 one by the door. So when the door was opened 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.960 and you guys were leaving, if somebody was leaving on 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.800 crutches and they didn't announce the injury, it's like, oh, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:03.000 somebody's hurt. That's exactly right, you know. If you know 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.080 what we would do as a TV station on the 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.640 morning after a game, if let's say Troy Aikman had 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.959 not a major injury, but let's say he had something 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.840 something happened to him on Sunday, we would have a 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.040 crew that would be at Valley Ranch before eight o'clock 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.000 in the morning to get Troy walking from his car 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:31.240 in the parking lot. We would be there with our camera, 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.480 with our camera as he got out of his car 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.959 and limped into the locker room. We would follow him 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.160 all the way into the locker room and sold by 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.800 eight eight o'clock in the morning. The day after, we 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.880 would have some sort of update on the condition of 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.520 Troy Aikman. Um, Hey, you had, you had. Some of 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:54.600 the biggest stories were written when everyone was gone home, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.040 and then there was always someone trying to lag behind 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.160 because they were part of a huge story, and you 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.000 guys would be waiting outside to pounce on them right 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.080 right away. You know. That was especially doing the strike season. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.520 Oh my god, it was horrible. Nineteen eighty seven, bad man. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.040 I'll give you, I'll give you. I'll give you one 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.600 more story on the parking lot. And it was the 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.000 last time I ever did this. You know, when the 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.000 guys used to walk out and they didn't do their 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:26.320 interviews and everybody'd run after them. Well, when the Herschel 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:30.240 Walker trade was announced and Herschel tried going out the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.480 back doors, he tried going out the door in the 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.360 equipment room. Remember, you can get onto them, that's right, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.880 that's right. You have immediate access to your car from 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.560 the equipting. Somebody yells, oh Herschel's going to his car, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.920 and everybody goes running out right TV cameras. They're trampling everybody. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.600 I started running and I go, what am I doing. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.200 I'm kind of a gross person and I'm running to them. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.600 And I said, that's it. I will never run to 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.360 the person lot after anybody ever again. Oh my god, 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.800 all the other idiots. Yeah, and this was this was 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.120 pretty funny. We you know how they used to do 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.680 grades right after the game, which you know, we were 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.200 forced to do it, and they were always wrong. And 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.240 that was the only thing the players read were grades. Right, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.719 you give them an a God forbid if you gave 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.680 them a D or something, you know. So that section 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.960 of the team. So I came up with the idea, 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.400 we're not doing grades. We're gonna do thumbs up, thumbs 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:39.120 down and in the middle right, So and so at 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.959 the end of that we we we had two more categories, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.560 and this was after the Saints game, and one of 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.600 them was for something I can't remember what it was. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.240 It was for doing something good, and the last one 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.760 was bad day at the office. Right, and so I 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.240 finished bad day at the office with entire dime times 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:07.760 Harold Stay, that's the girl. That's that is what you 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.240 call a bad day at the office. It absolutely How 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:15.240 did you how did you find out that it was folding? Um? 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.840 I it was a noon it was a noon start, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.080 and I would get there you know too. Two. This 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.640 is on a Sunday morning, Sunday morning, noon, uh, December eighth, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.640 and I'm sitting at my spot in the press box 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.760 and the phone rings and uh, I think it was 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.320 Dave Pelletier, the assistant pr director, picks up the phone 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.320 and he goes, Uh, Mickey, your sports editor wants to 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.480 talk to you. And I'm going I'm gonna talk to 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.800 me at nine thirty ten o'clock in the morning. You know, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.560 there's nothing going on. So I go there and it 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.400 was Gary Hardy. Uh and uh, he says, Mick, I 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.720 got bad news for you. He goes, uh, the paper 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.960 has just been sold to the Dallas Morning News and 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.680 this is going to be our last edition. We're going 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.480 out of business. And I'm going seriously he goes, yeah, 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.040 he goes, I hate to have to tell you this, 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.520 and he goes, can you do me a favor? He goes, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.839 when the other people on the staff come in, can 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.320 you let them know that this is the news. Oh 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.760 my god, I'm going me, I go, you mean to 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.959 tell me? I gotta go up to Frank Luxo, who's 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.680 been doing this job since nineteen seventy two. And I 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.440 got to tell him he's out of work. And so 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:32.280 I basically stood out in the hallway and um, people 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.080 start coming in. Wow, and Skip saw me standing out 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.439 there when he came in, and it was like, what 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.000 are you doing out here? And I said, okay, let 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.760 me break the news to you. Uh. And same thing 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.240 with Frank. I had to tell him, yeah, this is 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.160 your last day of work. And so our joke that 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.839 day basically was well, if you need another good clip 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.680 to get get a job, you better make this one good, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:05.040 a good one. Uh. And And I remember I remember 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:10.400 go ahead Everson, No, No, you go ahead, say. I 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:14.640 remember I remember kind of watching the game like I'm 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.640 watching but I wasn't seeing, and it was just like 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.680 the whole thing was just a I don't know, it 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.720 was a cloud that whole day trying to cover the game. Yeah, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.240 like a blurer, right. And I remember and I go 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.120 back and read my my, my game story. And it's like, 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.240 you know, those first four paragraphs were really good that 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.320 it just fell off. It just was like it wasn't me. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.640 You know, you you you know what it's like to 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.240 get cut. You know. Funny you say that because we 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.000 hung around in the locker room afterwards, uh to say 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.000 something to Jimmy. We didn't know if he knew it 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.760 or not. And we're, you know, we didn't know if 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.280 we'd ever see him again or what our jobs would be. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.160 And so there was like three or four of us, Me, Frank, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.520 Susie Woodhams. I think there was one of their person 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.960 with us. And he comes out and he looks at 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.800 us and he had heard right, and he all he 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.160 did was kind of you know how he used to 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.080 smack his lips and he goes, well, whatever he goes. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:19.400 Now you know how coaches feel, So Jimmy, it's, oh, wait, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.760 how coaches feel when this guy cut somebody every day? 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.560 And now he talks about how coaches feel. Give me 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.200 a break, could be a break, how coaches feel he 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.800 cut somebody every month and he's talking about that. Come on, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.360 only Jimmy could turn that around to where he if 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.320 teachable moment right for him to show to you give 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.360 me a break. Yeah, that was. That was, and you 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.320 know he was he was trying. I think he was 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:50.080 trying to kind of lighten the situation. But yeah, that was. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.960 That was his deal. And the other thing I remembers, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.280 so if you remember, so this was nineteen ninety one. Uh, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.320 And I'd forgotten this until I read it again, that 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.120 when Tech Shramp, when they bought the team and then 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.360 Tex left. It was about May of eighty nine. He 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:12.160 took the job with the uh what did they call it, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:17.920 the European Football League was the World League of American Footballball. Yeah, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.600 he took that job and his suite was right next 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.200 to the press box. And you know, Tex used to 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.800 sit in the press box for the games, but once 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.320 that happened, he just stayed in his suite. We go 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:30.960 in there and say hi to him, but he never 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.120 came back in the press box until that day he 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.960 came back to kind of give us each a handshake 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.080 and a hug and say hey, sorry to hear it happened. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.520 But that was the first and only time he came 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.800 back in the press box after he parted ways with 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:50.360 the Cowboys. Yeah, so anyway, twenty nine years ago, Well, Mickey, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.320 I twenty nine years ago. I would say things turned 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.560 turned around very nicely for you years. I think I 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.000 survived somehouse way. But that day, boy, no, no, it 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.960 was it was that it was that company man mentality 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.480 that he took. See when they when he when they 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.480 had him firing everybody else, you know, that that solidifier 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.240 for him, this oh, this guy will do anything to 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.600 keep a job. So they that's why that was a 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.439 test for you, spat. They wanted to They wanted to 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.159 make sure that you were willing to do anything to 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.159 sell your brothers down the river. And you did a 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.760 good job. Man, that's pretty good man. So they long 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.960 have you been a cowboy? Bill Bill, they'll have the 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.119 crankiest guy in the world telling everybody that they're fired. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:39.760 That's right. You know, you're supposed to give it to 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.440 him in a soft manner. But here's fat hey guy, 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.400 you're out? Yeah me too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, go cry 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.840 me a river. Yeah, I've been there been that power. Yeah, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.399 I see you later. I don't think it happened that 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.200 and ever since, ever since. It was in December also, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.080 so you know management at the times Zerold it was 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.359 in December. They said, who would be the best guy 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.440 to tell every all of our employees that they won't 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:15.280 have a Christmas this year? This is Scrooge Christmas. Yeah, 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.680 it stole a lot of things. Oh man, what the 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:25.840 spots bags? What spot? Unbelievable? And so how long before 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.439 you started working for the Cowboys? Oh? It was another 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.760 nine years I freelanced, remember, Oh yeah, Well, because you 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.440 were with freelancing and you were what was the inside? 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.520 What was the skip? Baylor's the inside, the Insider? That's right, right, 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.119 did the Insider? And then talk radio started and I 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.120 started working at the Ticket, and the Cowboys got good, 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.520 and there was all the freelance I could handle from 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.240 all around the country, people wanting stories on the cowboys, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.560 and you know that kind of saved me that they 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.880 got good when there was work to do. Yeah, when 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.720 when did you When did you realize, I want to know, 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.919 when you realize that, hey, this might not be a 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.480 bad thing. When did you realize that to change and 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.200 communication was coming. It took about six months because that's 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.280 when we started the Insider, uh, And that's when I 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.360 started getting freelance and doing other stuff being you know, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:25.320 the correspondent for USA Today and Sporting News and things 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.440 like that. So I picked up a lot of work, uh, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.920 and I picked up some TV stuff. Uh, And then 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.800 the radio thing happened, and yeah it. I ended up 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.119 doing it till two thousand when I started with the 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:49.199 Cowboys and on TV. Yes, yes, twenty years see. So 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.720 that was all you have to start grooming yourself like damn, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:58.440 my nose hairs out of control? All right, Well that's 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.280 a good way to kick off this. 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That that that's that's I'm sorry, 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.760 that's still pretty embarrassing. Uh, you know, to go from 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.960 prime time to noon. I mean they could have put 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.080 them at three thirty, right, They just dropped them all 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.200 the way down. Is that punishment? You know? Is that 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.920 just sticking it to the Cowboys because they I'm sure 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.959 they have other slots they could have chosen, but they 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.120 put us all the way down to noon. I think, 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:31.720 well you know that they had those Yeah, yeah, it does. 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.320 It doesn't matter. Obviously. You can move anything around the 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:39.480 way you want, so there's there's no precedent set here. 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.359 It's like we can do anything we want. Oh you 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.280 were you were scheduling for the evening. No, no, not 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.480 the Cowboys. You guys are not going to embarrass this station. 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.879 So that's just you know, the three twenty five window 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.760 is is for TV networks, that's considered a prime window 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.120 that late Sunday afternoon, and so they would be going 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:03.280 from prime time time Sunday night to almost primetime at 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.920 three twenty five on Sunday. So if you're not gonna 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.680 be and so they will have multiple games at three 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.400 twenty five, but the second game that's not the primetime game. 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.159 You're just going into your own local markets anyway. So 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.080 you actually probably have more people getting the Cowboy game 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.600 even with a three and nine or what will be 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:28.360 a four and nine Cowboys Steve next week against San Francisco, 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:35.800 you'll get them to ground. Chuck, come on, exactly what happened? 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.720 That's the right the country's looking at us. Now we 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:43.080 are ground Chuck. You know what, though, there's hope on 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:49.280 the horizon. You know, why tell me thirty seven year 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.800 on a Cincinnati. It's nothing about the past, nothing about 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.480 the futures right now with Cincinnati. There you go. We're 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:01.320 on to Cincinnati. Could you hear that? Finally so sounded 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.440