Speaker 1: The second date of day, we got an email from
Speaker 1: one of our listeners named Fran, who said she dates
Speaker 1: a lot, probably more than the average person.
Speaker 2: According to her, was.
Speaker 3: That a brag.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a brag. If you're having
Speaker 2: to go out with lots and lots and lots of people,
Speaker 2: it's like the opposite problem was alone.
Speaker 1: But she says, after thirty five dates over the last
Speaker 1: six months, she thinks she finally found a guy who
Speaker 1: doesn't totally repulse her.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 3: Her bar's very high.
Speaker 2: Well, and now he's not calling her back right now.
Speaker 2: Thel becomes the repulsey and she's on the phone right now, Fran,
Speaker 2: I love you, you disgust me. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Hey, how are you guys? Friend?
Speaker 3: Oh god, I feel like your proof that when people
Speaker 3: say you just got to put yourself out there, that
Speaker 3: it doesn't actually always work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you play out there for years and years and years.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the guy that you recently met.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I met this guy through the way. We
Speaker 4: always hate meeting people online dating. Yeah, for sure. His
Speaker 4: name is Tommy. Okay, okay, he was so handsome and
Speaker 4: you know, you see a ton of people online that
Speaker 4: are attractive and you kind of don't think anything of it.
Speaker 4: But I looked through his photos and he had this
Speaker 4: one photo of him with two cats that were his cat.
Speaker 4: It was really sweet because guy's always posting photos of
Speaker 4: like dogs or like when they're fishing and all.
Speaker 5: This other stuff.
Speaker 4: But it was just really sweet to see something that
Speaker 4: wasn't that he.
Speaker 2: Posted a totally different animal. This guy is a keeper.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cat guy, it just screams. He's sensitive, he's in tune.
Speaker 3: He's not like there's no toxic masculinity stuff happening there.
Speaker 2: Like if it was a tiger cat, that would be
Speaker 2: a red yeah housecat flax.
Speaker 4: So you know, we had some really cute banter back
Speaker 4: and forth, and finally he kind of dropped a hint like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know I make he's really amazing homemade enchilada. I know,
Speaker 4: I know, And he was just like, you know, how
Speaker 4: would you feel if I made dinner for you and
Speaker 4: he came over and did.
Speaker 3: It feel too good to be true? Already? He's hot,
Speaker 3: he's got cats, he cooks for you.
Speaker 4: Honestly kind of, but you know, you also have that
Speaker 4: thing where you're like, well, maybe twenty seven or eighty
Speaker 4: times a charm whatever we're at now, and so you're like,
Speaker 4: we'll see.
Speaker 3: I like your eternal optimism on the date, you know,
Speaker 3: like to go out on that many dates and keep trying.
Speaker 4: You kind of have to be because I think if
Speaker 4: you get too jaded, and that's not attractive to people either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too.
Speaker 2: That's probably where I'm at. I'm guess saying you RSVP'd
Speaker 2: yes to the enchilada date.
Speaker 4: I did, so you know, I went over there, really
Speaker 4: cute place, clean another plus, Oh wow, so he makes
Speaker 4: these enchiladas and I'm watching him cook. There's something so
Speaker 4: sexy about watching a man cook. And when he knows
Speaker 4: his way around the kitchen.
Speaker 3: I really like it when they throw a towel like
Speaker 3: over the side of their shoulder. That's like a saying
Speaker 3: for me. Oh yeah, and the big chef hats no.
Speaker 4: But I will take an apron though.
Speaker 2: It's not good. Yeah, I'll get you don't need.
Speaker 5: Mustach yeah.
Speaker 2: Style Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: What was the vibe? Like the conversation?
Speaker 4: So it was good, like our banter online was pretty
Speaker 4: much the same in person, which is always nice. You know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't awkward and we're chatting back and forth, and
Speaker 4: of course, inevitably it always comes to the same question,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, what do you do for a living?
Speaker 4: And the thing is I work in insurance. That is
Speaker 4: not a sexy thing to talk about. It's boring.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about insurance?
Speaker 5: It's hot.
Speaker 2: I can show you a twenty page document you have
Speaker 2: to sign on.
Speaker 3: The bottom, all in nine fonts. So you told them insurance.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, if I'm feeling it out and the vibe is good,
Speaker 4: I'll usually be pretty honest and be like, my day
Speaker 4: job is insurance, but I'm also an author and I'm
Speaker 4: working on a book right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, and that's true, right.
Speaker 4: It is true. Yes, But the problem is they always say, well,
Speaker 4: what are you working on now? And I am really
Speaker 4: honest about it, and this is true. I'm working on
Speaker 4: a collection of all the worst states that I've been on.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, it's a slightly relatable.
Speaker 6: I have a lot of comedian friends, and it's hard
Speaker 6: to date because girls immediately go, oh, I don't want
Speaker 6: to end up in one of your jokes on stage,
Speaker 6: and be like, I don't want to end up in
Speaker 6: one of your.
Speaker 3: Books, and then don't mess it up.
Speaker 6: Well, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of pressure, Brook, It's easy to mess up. Is that
Speaker 2: the vibe of what happened with Tommy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really kind of derailed, and you know, we
Speaker 4: finished dinner. Dinner was great still. But this is the
Speaker 4: thing I usually will do too. It's like, I don't
Speaker 4: want to put too much pressure on somebody, especially if
Speaker 4: you're like invited to their home or whatever. So I
Speaker 4: made plans already to go and meet up with my
Speaker 4: friends after we had dinner in a bar and so
Speaker 4: and I told him that I said, you're more than
Speaker 4: welcome to come, hoping that he would.
Speaker 3: But you're more than welcome to come isn't always a
Speaker 3: full invite. It feels like a pity invite. I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, I would like to.
Speaker 6: Be invited like that, you know, Like for me, it's
Speaker 6: like it I don't feel pressured where it's like shooting
Speaker 6: out if I say no, I'm rejecting her.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like, oh, you know what, I don't
Speaker 6: think this time, maybe next time.
Speaker 3: What did he say?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: He said no? Yeah, And it was really weird and
Speaker 4: like we had this really awkward hug goodbye, and I
Speaker 4: really liked him a lot, And yeah, I really just
Speaker 4: want some clarity because I feel like this is the
Speaker 4: thing that you can't be mad at somebody for working
Speaker 4: on something well before you ever.
Speaker 3: Met well and he doesn't have anything to do with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, what was his reaction, because you seem to
Speaker 1: think that this was the main part of the night
Speaker 1: where things started to go downhill, Like, tell us more
Speaker 1: about how Tommy reacted when you told him about the book.
Speaker 4: I got a vibe from him that he just started
Speaker 4: to like internalize and be like, oh, well, is that
Speaker 4: why she's on a date with me? Is she really
Speaker 4: interested in me? Or is this research? You know?
Speaker 3: Well, you should tell him your past the research stage.
Speaker 3: You're well into the second edit of this thing.
Speaker 6: When he rejected you, you should have just pulled out
Speaker 6: a notebook and been like.
Speaker 4: Making a note of this for chapter twenty four.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see once and for all if he does
Speaker 2: end up in your book. In the book, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be in that book. Why do you want
Speaker 2: to be It's the worst experiences, you know what. I'm
Speaker 2: probably already in her book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually we'll come back and we're gonna call Tommy
Speaker 1: and see if we can get you another date with
Speaker 1: him when we do your second ate update, Next second update.
Speaker 1: Top three worst things you could say to a guy
Speaker 1: on a first date. I'm not who I said I was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your dad was better.
Speaker 2: Oh true art, I'm a New York Jets fan.
Speaker 6: Oh you just love mediocrity.
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist, Like they don't really exist.
Speaker 2: They're too embarrassed to admit it. But also not a
Speaker 2: great idea to tell a guy. I'm currently writing a
Speaker 2: book about the worst dudes I've ever gone out with.
Speaker 2: It's pretty dang bad.
Speaker 5: Bro. Is it bad though?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's your first date with her.
Speaker 1: It plays off of the guy's in securities are many.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Franz said when she was out
Speaker 1: with Tommy the other night, while he was making her
Speaker 1: in schiladas.
Speaker 2: That moment kind of derailed their entire night.
Speaker 3: But he was a guy that had cats in the
Speaker 3: photo of his dating profile. He shouldn't have had insecurities.
Speaker 3: What you know, she understands what I'm saying, right, Does
Speaker 3: that make sense to you, fran.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I thought he was more in touch with.
Speaker 3: That perfect just like the vibe of cat dudes give
Speaker 3: it off like I'm stable. I know who I am.
Speaker 2: Checklist before you buy a cat. I say, that's the vibe,
Speaker 2: that's the vibe. Yeah, okay, I'll accept that. Okay, nothing
Speaker 2: toxic about what Brooke just s.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have insecurities. All right, Let's see if he agrees
Speaker 1: with that sentiment when we call him right now.
Speaker 2: You ready to do this, Fran, Let's do it. I
Speaker 2: hope the cat's answer. Let's give it a try.
Speaker 5: Hello.
Speaker 2: Hey is this Tommy?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You an insecure boy? Tommy?
Speaker 4: What why did you say that?
Speaker 2: I don't see what you thought. No, I thought he
Speaker 2: wasn't Tommy.
Speaker 6: Sorry. Sorry, we were having a discussion before we called you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's spilled over into this phone call. We're a
Speaker 1: radio show called Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Speaker 5: Yoh, why are you calling me?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: We're doing this segment called a second Date Update, and
Speaker 1: one of our listeners asked us to reach out to
Speaker 1: you because you two hung out the other night, remember, Fran.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he took Encelada's for her, we heard, which
Speaker 3: is a pretty awesome move.
Speaker 5: How do you know all of this?
Speaker 1: This is straight from Fran's mouth. Well, Frand's mouth, to
Speaker 1: my ears, to my mouth, why are you looking.
Speaker 2: Everything so strange?
Speaker 3: Frand told us, is what he's trying to say. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because she's she likes you, she.
Speaker 1: Likes you, and she wants to see you again and
Speaker 1: is confused why it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just being honest, it was. It was
Speaker 5: a little weird.
Speaker 2: Oh weird. Yeah, okay, Well here's the deal man.
Speaker 1: Look, we get emails all the time from people asking
Speaker 1: us to do these for them. And Fran admitted that
Speaker 1: she's dated a lot of people and you stood out
Speaker 1: among all the guys.
Speaker 2: You were different and she really really liked you. And
Speaker 2: she also wishes that she didn't bring up the book
Speaker 2: that she was writing.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, so that's the thing. I mean, it was
Speaker 5: going fine, you know, it was she seems nice enough,
Speaker 5: you know, it's a fine date, and then she brings
Speaker 5: up this book and it's just like, I mean, it's
Speaker 5: so weird, Like am I just content for you to
Speaker 5: put into your book?
Speaker 3: But she wouldn't tell you about the book if she
Speaker 3: thought you were going to be in it, Like she's
Speaker 3: just sharing what's going on in your life in her life,
Speaker 3: and she had already written about all the other bad
Speaker 3: dates she was really thought she was on a good
Speaker 3: date with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but here's the thing. So then I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this is kind of weird, but maybe it's fine, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe this doesn't include me. But then I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: so what are some of the bad dates that you
Speaker 5: went on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Yes, that's a good question. Then you
Speaker 2: know what not to do well.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure she has like some big stories that
Speaker 3: she made bigger just to make the book entertaining too, right,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did.
Speaker 2: She tell you or did she keep it a secret?
Speaker 2: You have to buy the book.
Speaker 3: She only read the first twenty sentences purchased.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she told me a few, and she she didn't embellish. Okay,
Speaker 5: but one of them she was like, oh man, it
Speaker 5: was so terrible. I like, went had the date with
Speaker 5: this guy and he just wanted to play board games
Speaker 5: all night. Okay, Like we went back to his place
Speaker 5: and he had Monopoly and he had Scrabble and it
Speaker 5: was just like an endless like it's all he wanted
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: Last three days book worthy.
Speaker 4: That was her horror stories.
Speaker 2: So what's the problem with that.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is is that I kind of had
Speaker 5: a whole night planned and after dinner, like, what's in
Speaker 5: my living room? A couple of board games? Oh?
Speaker 3: I see, so I just derailed your Okay, I care.
Speaker 5: Then I had to make excuses to like sneak over
Speaker 5: to the living room and like hide the game back.
Speaker 2: I guess we're not going to play Connect for it tonight.
Speaker 3: I bet that that's not what she meant. I bet
Speaker 3: it's not that she didn't want to play board games.
Speaker 3: It's just that maybe this guy had literally hours of
Speaker 3: it playing or it was like really competitive in a
Speaker 3: dumb way, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean maybe. But then she was also like,
Speaker 5: I've been on like so many days we're like, guys
Speaker 5: have tried to cook for me and just like totally
Speaker 5: burnt the food. Oh and I'm like in the middle
Speaker 5: of cooking, well she says this, So then I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, if I don't get these Inchulata's perfect,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get ripped about. And I'm like it was
Speaker 5: just very stressful, Okay.
Speaker 3: I mean I could see how her stories you could
Speaker 3: interpret them to be about you. I don't think that
Speaker 3: was it wasn't her intention though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you don't have to just believe us telling
Speaker 1: you that. You can hear it straight from Fran's mouth.
Speaker 1: Why do I keep saying it like that because she's
Speaker 1: on the other line right now wants to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Man, Oh my god, Hey, that's Frand in her mouth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, friend's mouth, say stuff.
Speaker 4: Hey, Tommy, I'm first of all, I'm sorry that's start.
Speaker 4: Everything that you said is true, and you would ask
Speaker 4: and I just thought it would be like they were
Speaker 4: kind of funny and silly, and I just thought it
Speaker 4: would be fine to kind of talk about it. But
Speaker 4: I can see how that would send somebody kind of
Speaker 4: into their head.
Speaker 2: Tommy, are you hearing her?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't know. It was just like a little
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how you want me to
Speaker 5: feel about that, you know, It's just like I feel
Speaker 5: like it's like, all right, sweet, put a ton of
Speaker 5: pressure on me, like on this first date when I
Speaker 5: don't know you.
Speaker 4: You know, well, listen, first, I had no idea about
Speaker 4: the board games, and I'm sorry if you felt like
Speaker 4: you had to hide stuff. And to be clear, the
Speaker 4: board game guy tried to explain settlers of Catan to
Speaker 4: me for an hour and I just couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: Okay, but it's not that you hate any board games
Speaker 1: as a date night. It was just with that particular guy, right, careful,
Speaker 1: somebody that you're down to scrabble with, Tommy, maybe one
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 3: Worst games else, Okay, what you want, mouse Trap.
Speaker 2: Operation. They don't care, Jose.
Speaker 5: I've actually never played Hungry Hungry Hit Both.
Speaker 3: It is the worst game. It is so dumb.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Honestly, is somebody who talked about not liking board games.
Speaker 4: I really like that game?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: Fine, I really, Tommy, I'm going to take Fran's side here.
Speaker 1: I really don't think you need to feel like insecure
Speaker 1: about her worst people I've Ever dated book.
Speaker 2: Just don't read because.
Speaker 3: Maybe her second book can be about how her dating
Speaker 3: life turned into a relationship, and that could be starring you.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to read that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm writing the Worst Coworkers I've Ever had book,
Speaker 2: and no one in this room isn't it. So you
Speaker 2: don't need to feel insecure about that at all.
Speaker 3: I don't because keep talking just by comparison, but I.
Speaker 1: Really think you should give Fran another shot. Here Tommy,
Speaker 1: and if you're willing to go out with her, we'll
Speaker 1: pay for that date.
Speaker 5: Look, I I was having a good time. If I
Speaker 5: can just maybe just get a promise that she's not
Speaker 5: gonna write about me, that would be amazing.
Speaker 3: Really juicy chapter that she'd have to leave out.
Speaker 4: I'll I'll tell you what, Tommy, I will do you
Speaker 4: one better. I will write about this, except I will
Speaker 4: take full responsibility and be the bad date.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're using us as content to be in
Speaker 2: your book.
Speaker 3: I think I have to call my agent first, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure that there's a cut that.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, too late, I've already had the chapter outline.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm starting a new book. Worst listeners I've
Speaker 2: ever told But congratulations you guys. We're gonna send you on.
Speaker 3: Keep us updated, okay, and let us know how when
Speaker 3: the book's published.
Speaker 4: As well.
Speaker 2: Who wins Hungry Hungry Hippos Too.
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: Rookie Jeffrey in the morning text board is blowing up
Speaker 2: right now, not surprised. Ninety seven percent of people agree
Speaker 2: Brooke is a bad person for not liking Hungry Hungry Hippos.
Speaker 3: It's not a very good game like, there's no strategy
Speaker 3: at all. You just say on that say that's all
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 2: You know, Brooke, we tend to not like things when
Speaker 2: we see ourselves reflected in them. Maybe what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie every time I eat my lunch
Speaker 3: every day, I'm very hungry after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, peoples were eating kale and craw healthy. It's the
Speaker 2: best game ever. You got me, You've got me there.
Speaker 2: You need eat little white balls. That's the hungry right.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we were able to get them a second date.
Speaker 2: They've only sounded like they had.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to hear too. And if her if and
Speaker 3: when her book actually gets published, Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 3: hope she stays updated.
Speaker 2: We should read it. Yeah, we should.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll do an audiobook.
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