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Speaker 1: The second date of day, we got an email from

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Speaker 1: one of our listeners named Fran, who said she dates

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Speaker 1: a lot, probably more than the average person.

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Speaker 2: According to her, was.

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Speaker 3: That a brag.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a brag. If you're having

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Speaker 2: to go out with lots and lots and lots of people,

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Speaker 2: it's like the opposite problem was alone.

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Speaker 1: But she says, after thirty five dates over the last

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Speaker 1: six months, she thinks she finally found a guy who

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Speaker 1: doesn't totally repulse her.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 3: Her bar's very high.

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Speaker 2: Well, and now he's not calling her back right now.

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Speaker 2: Thel becomes the repulsey and she's on the phone right now, Fran,

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Speaker 2: I love you, you disgust me. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hey, how are you guys? Friend?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, I feel like your proof that when people

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Speaker 3: say you just got to put yourself out there, that

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Speaker 3: it doesn't actually always work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you play out there for years and years and years.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the guy that you recently met.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I met this guy through the way. We

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Speaker 4: always hate meeting people online dating. Yeah, for sure. His

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Speaker 4: name is Tommy. Okay, okay, he was so handsome and

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Speaker 4: you know, you see a ton of people online that

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Speaker 4: But I looked through his photos and he had this

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Speaker 4: one photo of him with two cats that were his cat.

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Speaker 4: It was really sweet because guy's always posting photos of

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Speaker 4: like dogs or like when they're fishing and all.

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Speaker 5: This other stuff.

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Speaker 4: But it was just really sweet to see something that

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Speaker 4: wasn't that he.

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Speaker 2: Posted a totally different animal. This guy is a keeper.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cat guy, it just screams. He's sensitive, he's in tune.

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Speaker 3: He's not like there's no toxic masculinity stuff happening there.

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Speaker 2: Like if it was a tiger cat, that would be

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Speaker 2: a red yeah housecat flax.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we had some really cute banter back

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Speaker 4: and forth, and finally he kind of dropped a hint like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know I make he's really amazing homemade enchilada. I know,

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Speaker 4: I know, And he was just like, you know, how

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Speaker 4: would you feel if I made dinner for you and

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Speaker 4: he came over and did.

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Speaker 3: It feel too good to be true? Already? He's hot,

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Speaker 3: he's got cats, he cooks for you.

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Speaker 4: Honestly kind of, but you know, you also have that

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Speaker 4: thing where you're like, well, maybe twenty seven or eighty

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Speaker 4: times a charm whatever we're at now, and so you're like,

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Speaker 4: we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I like your eternal optimism on the date, you know,

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Speaker 3: like to go out on that many dates and keep trying.

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Speaker 4: You kind of have to be because I think if

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Speaker 4: you get too jaded, and that's not attractive to people either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too.

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Speaker 2: That's probably where I'm at. I'm guess saying you RSVP'd

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Speaker 2: yes to the enchilada date.

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Speaker 4: I did, so you know, I went over there, really

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Speaker 4: cute place, clean another plus, Oh wow, so he makes

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Speaker 4: these enchiladas and I'm watching him cook. There's something so

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Speaker 3: I really like it when they throw a towel like

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Speaker 3: over the side of their shoulder. That's like a saying

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Speaker 3: for me. Oh yeah, and the big chef hats no.

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Speaker 4: But I will take an apron though.

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Speaker 2: It's not good. Yeah, I'll get you don't need.

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Speaker 5: Mustach yeah.

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Speaker 2: Style Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: What was the vibe? Like the conversation?

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Speaker 4: So it was good, like our banter online was pretty

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Speaker 4: much the same in person, which is always nice. You know,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't awkward and we're chatting back and forth, and

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Speaker 4: of course, inevitably it always comes to the same question,

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Speaker 4: which is, you know, what do you do for a living?

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Speaker 4: And the thing is I work in insurance. That is

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Speaker 4: not a sexy thing to talk about. It's boring.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about insurance?

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Speaker 5: It's hot.

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Speaker 2: I can show you a twenty page document you have

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Speaker 3: The bottom, all in nine fonts. So you told them insurance.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, if I'm feeling it out and the vibe is good,

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Speaker 4: I'll usually be pretty honest and be like, my day

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Speaker 4: job is insurance, but I'm also an author and I'm

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Speaker 4: working on a book right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and that's true, right.

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Speaker 4: It is true. Yes, But the problem is they always say, well,

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Speaker 4: what are you working on now? And I am really

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Speaker 4: a collection of all the worst states that I've been on.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, it's a slightly relatable.

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Speaker 6: I have a lot of comedian friends, and it's hard

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Speaker 6: to date because girls immediately go, oh, I don't want

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Speaker 6: to end up in one of your jokes on stage,

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Speaker 6: one of your.

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Speaker 3: Books, and then don't mess it up.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of pressure, Brook, It's easy to mess up. Is that

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Speaker 2: the vibe of what happened with Tommy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really kind of derailed, and you know, we

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Speaker 4: finished dinner. Dinner was great still. But this is the

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Speaker 4: thing I usually will do too. It's like, I don't

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Speaker 4: you're like invited to their home or whatever. So I

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Speaker 4: made plans already to go and meet up with my

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Speaker 4: and I told him that I said, you're more than

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Speaker 3: But you're more than welcome to come isn't always a

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Speaker 3: full invite. It feels like a pity invite. I feel like,

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Speaker 6: Be invited like that, you know, Like for me, it's

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Speaker 6: like it I don't feel pressured where it's like shooting

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of like, oh, you know what, I don't

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Speaker 6: think this time, maybe next time.

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Speaker 3: What did he say?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: He said no? Yeah, And it was really weird and

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Speaker 4: like we had this really awkward hug goodbye, and I

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Speaker 4: want some clarity because I feel like this is the

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Speaker 4: on something well before you ever.

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Speaker 3: Met well and he doesn't have anything to do with him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what was his reaction, because you seem to

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Speaker 1: where things started to go downhill, Like, tell us more

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Speaker 1: about how Tommy reacted when you told him about the book.

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Speaker 4: I got a vibe from him that he just started

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Speaker 4: why she's on a date with me? Is she really

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Speaker 4: interested in me? Or is this research? You know?

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Speaker 3: Well, you should tell him your past the research stage.

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Speaker 3: You're well into the second edit of this thing.

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Speaker 6: When he rejected you, you should have just pulled out

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Speaker 6: a notebook and been like.

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Speaker 4: Making a note of this for chapter twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see once and for all if he does

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Speaker 2: end up in your book. In the book, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be in that book. Why do you want

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Speaker 2: to be It's the worst experiences, you know what. I'm

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Speaker 2: probably already in her book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually we'll come back and we're gonna call Tommy

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Speaker 1: and see if we can get you another date with

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Speaker 1: him when we do your second ate update, Next second update.

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Speaker 1: Top three worst things you could say to a guy

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Speaker 1: on a first date. I'm not who I said I was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your dad was better.

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Speaker 2: Oh true art, I'm a New York Jets fan.

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Speaker 6: Oh you just love mediocrity.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't exist, Like they don't really exist.

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Speaker 2: They're too embarrassed to admit it. But also not a

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Speaker 2: great idea to tell a guy. I'm currently writing a

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Speaker 2: book about the worst dudes I've ever gone out with.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty dang bad.

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Speaker 5: Bro. Is it bad though?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's your first date with her.

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Speaker 1: It plays off of the guy's in securities are many.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Franz said when she was out

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Speaker 1: in schiladas.

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Speaker 2: That moment kind of derailed their entire night.

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Speaker 3: But he was a guy that had cats in the

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Speaker 3: photo of his dating profile. He shouldn't have had insecurities.

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Speaker 3: What you know, she understands what I'm saying, right, Does

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Speaker 3: that make sense to you, fran.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I thought he was more in touch with.

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Speaker 3: That perfect just like the vibe of cat dudes give

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Speaker 2: Checklist before you buy a cat. I say, that's the vibe,

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Speaker 2: that's the vibe. Yeah, okay, I'll accept that. Okay, nothing

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Speaker 5: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't have insecurities. All right, Let's see if he agrees

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Speaker 1: with that sentiment when we call him right now.

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Speaker 2: You ready to do this, Fran, Let's do it. I

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Speaker 5: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hey is this Tommy?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You an insecure boy? Tommy?

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Speaker 4: What why did you say that?

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Speaker 2: I don't see what you thought. No, I thought he

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Speaker 6: Sorry. Sorry, we were having a discussion before we called you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's spilled over into this phone call. We're a

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Speaker 1: radio show called Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning.

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Speaker 5: Yoh, why are you calling me?

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Speaker 2: Good question.

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Speaker 1: We're doing this segment called a second Date Update, and

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Speaker 1: one of our listeners asked us to reach out to

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Speaker 1: you because you two hung out the other night, remember, Fran.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he took Encelada's for her, we heard, which

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Speaker 3: is a pretty awesome move.

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Speaker 5: How do you know all of this?

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Speaker 1: This is straight from Fran's mouth. Well, Frand's mouth, to

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Speaker 1: my ears, to my mouth, why are you looking.

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Speaker 2: Everything so strange?

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Speaker 3: Frand told us, is what he's trying to say. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because she's she likes you, she.

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Speaker 1: Likes you, and she wants to see you again and

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Speaker 1: is confused why it hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just being honest, it was. It was

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Speaker 5: a little weird.

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Speaker 2: Oh weird. Yeah, okay, Well here's the deal man.

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Speaker 1: Look, we get emails all the time from people asking

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Speaker 1: us to do these for them. And Fran admitted that

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Speaker 1: she's dated a lot of people and you stood out

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Speaker 1: among all the guys.

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Speaker 2: You were different and she really really liked you. And

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Speaker 2: she also wishes that she didn't bring up the book

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Speaker 2: that she was writing.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, so that's the thing. I mean, it was

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Speaker 5: going fine, you know, it was she seems nice enough,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but here's the thing. So then I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure she has like some big stories that

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did.

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Speaker 2: You have to buy the book.

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Speaker 3: She only read the first twenty sentences purchased.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she told me a few, and she she didn't embellish. Okay,

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Speaker 5: but one of them she was like, oh man, it

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Speaker 4: That was her horror stories.

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Speaker 5: Well, the thing is is that I kind of had

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Speaker 3: I see, so I just derailed your Okay, I care.

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Speaker 5: Then I had to make excuses to like sneak over

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Speaker 3: I mean I could see how her stories you could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you don't have to just believe us telling

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Speaker 1: Why do I keep saying it like that because she's

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Speaker 2: Man, Oh my god, Hey, that's Frand in her mouth. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Hey, Tommy, I'm first of all, I'm sorry that's start.

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Speaker 4: Everything that you said is true, and you would ask

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't know. It was just like a little

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Speaker 4: You know, well, listen, first, I had no idea about

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Speaker 1: Okay, but it's not that you hate any board games

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Speaker 1: somebody that you're down to scrabble with, Tommy, maybe one

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Speaker 3: Worst games else, Okay, what you want, mouse Trap.

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Speaker 2: Operation. They don't care, Jose.

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Speaker 5: I've actually never played Hungry Hungry Hit Both.

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Speaker 3: It is the worst game. It is so dumb.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, is somebody who talked about not liking board games.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 1: Fine, I really, Tommy, I'm going to take Fran's side here.

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Speaker 1: I really don't think you need to feel like insecure

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Speaker 3: Maybe her second book can be about how her dating

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to read that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm writing the Worst Coworkers I've Ever had book,

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Speaker 3: I don't because keep talking just by comparison, but I.

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Speaker 1: Really think you should give Fran another shot. Here Tommy,

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Speaker 5: Look, I I was having a good time. If I

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Speaker 4: I'll I'll tell you what, Tommy, I will do you

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're using us as content to be in

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Speaker 3: I think I have to call my agent first, and

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that there's a cut that.

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to get.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, too late, I've already had the chapter outline.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm starting a new book. Worst listeners I've

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Speaker 2: ever told But congratulations you guys. We're gonna send you on.

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Speaker 3: Keep us updated, okay, and let us know how when

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Speaker 4: As well.

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Speaker 2: Who wins Hungry Hungry Hippos Too.

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 2: Rookie Jeffrey in the morning text board is blowing up

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Speaker 2: right now, not surprised. Ninety seven percent of people agree

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Speaker 2: Brooke is a bad person for not liking Hungry Hungry Hippos.

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Speaker 3: It's not a very good game like, there's no strategy

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Speaker 2: You know, Brooke, we tend to not like things when

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie every time I eat my lunch

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Speaker 2: Yeah, peoples were eating kale and craw healthy. It's the

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Speaker 2: You need eat little white balls. That's the hungry right.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we were able to get them a second date.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to hear too. And if her if and

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Speaker 2: We should read it. Yeah, we should.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'll do an audiobook.

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Speaker 2: Remember you can always email the show. We'll call that

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