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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do lots to

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Speaker 1: get to this morning. So we've got results out of

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. Nikki Haley losing her home stage chocked, not surprised,

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Speaker 1: anything to be gleaned from that with regards to Trump's

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Speaker 1: down for you. A new report about concerns about Biden's

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Speaker 2: and get to the big news out of South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Big or expected. Nikki Haley has officially lost in her

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Speaker 3: So let's take a listen to the two.

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Speaker 5: I was just informed that we got double the number

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Speaker 6: In the great state of South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: So that's pretty good.

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Speaker 5: So it's a record times too. And I just want

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Speaker 3: As it is right there, never been like that.

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Speaker 7: I said earlier this week that no matter what happens

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Speaker 4: I'm a woman of my.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, in general, Crystal, it is a rule

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Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a case to

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Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't even close.

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Speaker 2: We have fifty nine point eight percent for Trump and

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Speaker 2: she's still lost by twenty points. And it's like when

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Speaker 2: crossed tabs as to how Trump absolutely dominated amongst actual Republicans.

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Speaker 2: And if you can just look at the map, I mean,

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Speaker 2: There's just not a lot left here to know what's

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Speaker 3: It's already been endorsed, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, by all the other people who've been dropped out

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Speaker 2: of the race, Crystal, and in Super Tuesday, how can

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's her right to stay in the right

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Speaker 3: Point, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's she claims, she's saying now she's going

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Speaker 1: my worry, that's what that's her line. Now, she won't

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley at this point. To be honestly, the she

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Speaker 1: You can see where things are headed. There was a

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Speaker 1: she once again performed the best with independence, and there

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Speaker 4: She did very well with them.

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Speaker 1: But you know, in terms of Republican voters, she's getting

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Speaker 1: absolutely the same on Super Tuesday. The only thing I

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Speaker 1: can think, Sager, is that there's some theory of maybe

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Speaker 1: if she stays in, she'll weaken Donald Trump. Maybe something

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Speaker 4: But that's the only thing I can figure it.

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Speaker 3: You're exactly correct.

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Speaker 2: You could have made that case if you were round

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Speaker 2: to Santis, because there's credibly, I think, enough of a

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Speaker 2: then credibly those people, because remember it's up to those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see them going. They're not going back.

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley, she's decided to, you know, permanently plant a

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Speaker 2: the takeaway that I've had after this, and I think

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Speaker 2: are seeing some warning signs for Trump that has nothing

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Speaker 3: So let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: As we can see here for the pole prediction of

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Speaker 2: was Trump thirty seven points over Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: The final results had Trump at plus thirty.

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Speaker 2: For the New Hampshire primary, the five thirty eight average

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Speaker 3: The final result was Trump plus eleven.

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Speaker 2: And then for the South Carolina primary, if we can

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Speaker 2: What we can see there is a consistent underperformance within

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Speaker 2: is that especially in New Hampshire and in South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: If we are to extrapolate this to the general election,

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Speaker 2: it's a problem. He has a significant issue here with

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Speaker 2: all of the independent voters that have voted so far

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Speaker 2: of self section bias. Those are people probably disportionately more

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Speaker 2: somebody who's not Biden and not named Trump who is

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Speaker 3: They may not vote period. What I do see is

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Speaker 2: Problem here with the independent voters, and to what extent, Honestly,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I just read a very interesting analysis of American non voters,

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Speaker 2: and it turns out that American non voters are very

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Speaker 2: much likely to decide this election in terms of very

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Speaker 3: Every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: They never vote in primaries or any other thing, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have two candidates who are historically extremely

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Immediately after that Alabama Supreme Court decision on embryos being

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Speaker 2: The Republican Party should always be on the side of

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Speaker 1: If life begins at conception, right exactly, and you know,

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Speaker 4: In American society.

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Speaker 1: Back when there were no stakes, it was okay to

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Speaker 1: say things like that. Now they're having to deal with

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Speaker 1: the logical outcomes of the positions that they have claned

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Speaker 1: to support over years, and so, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: have politicians like I saw Kerry Lake put out a

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Speaker 1: similar statement of like, oh I support IVF.

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Speaker 4: You look at the.

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Speaker 1: Comments below that there are a lot of pissed off

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Speaker 1: conservative activists who I think justifiably are like that is

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Speaker 1: inconsistent with what you people have been saying for years

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Speaker 1: and years and years. Again, this is just the logical

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Speaker 1: outcome of what they have claimed to believe. And it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take a genius to see how wildly unpopular this

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Speaker 1: position is.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. This is a poll.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Some of the polling was actually outlined in that NRSC memo.

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Speaker 1: It's not like it takes a political g here, but

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Speaker 1: this poll says that only seven percent of Americans believe

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Speaker 1: that IVF should be more difficult, only ten percent of Republicans,

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Speaker 1: by the way, five percent of Democrats, six percent of independence.

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Speaker 1: This is as fringe a position as you could possibly find.

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Speaker 1: Yet because the pro life activist community has been so active,

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Speaker 1: so organized, so influential in the Republican Party, incredibly fringe

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Speaker 1: extremist positions of it like this have found widespread support

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Speaker 1: among Republican politicians.

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Speaker 4: So you actually have.

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Speaker 1: If we can put I believe it's the ninth element

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Speaker 1: here in this block, guys A nine up on the

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Speaker 1: screen from Business Insider, you actually have one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty five House Republicans who have backed a life at

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Speaker 1: Conception bill that does not have any car mount for

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Speaker 1: IVF or anything else that would again have the same

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Speaker 1: impact nationwide as this Alabama court ruling. So now Mike

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Speaker 1: Johnson's oh I support ivyah, No, you don't, because you're

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Speaker 1: signed on to this bill that would have the exact

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Speaker 1: same implications.

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Speaker 4: They are the dog that caught the car.

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Speaker 1: Now that they actually have to deal with the consequences

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Speaker 1: of their positions, they're running away as quickly as they

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Speaker 1: possibly can.

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Speaker 4: But you know, this is this is kind.

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Speaker 1: Of out of their hands at this point because you

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Speaker 1: have this, you know, happening in courts across the country.

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Speaker 1: The courts are ruling in line.

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Speaker 4: With what the legislatures passed before. Roe versus Wade.

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Speaker 1: Was overturned and you know, enacting the logical extension of

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Speaker 1: what these insane fringe policies ultimately were with Really, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to lose sight of this. This isn't

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Speaker 1: just about political games with really horrifying and traumatic results

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Speaker 1: for women and families across the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put a eleven out there just to show

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Speaker 2: everybody the consequences, at least so far. You know, you

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Speaker 2: have the major embryo shipping company is halting it's all

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Speaker 2: of its business in Alabama. The three clinics which are

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Speaker 2: in the state have all paused their care as they

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Speaker 2: evaluate what the ruling means for their patients and for

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Speaker 2: their legal liability. Now, as I understand it, what it

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Speaker 2: comes down to is that the store of embryos and

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Speaker 2: the legal liability that the clinics may incur as a

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Speaker 2: result of this ruling make it such that doing business

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Speaker 2: or operating it in the state could leave them potentially

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Speaker 2: open in the event of an accident or something like that,

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Speaker 2: in addition to storage to like a literal manslaughter charge,

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Speaker 2: meaning of course that they don't want to be going

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Speaker 2: through it. I mean, I'm especially horrified it some of

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Speaker 2: the people were probably going through this right now. I mean,

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Speaker 2: as you know, Crystal, it ain't like peachy and easy,

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Speaker 2: you know from what I've read so far, Like you

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Speaker 2: got women who are plugged up full of hormones and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden probably expecting treatments and medical procedures,

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Speaker 2: and now they have to rebook and it's nightmare.

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Speaker 3: I can't even literally imagine it.

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Speaker 2: The import tire purpose though, in the point of the

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Speaker 2: bill is where I again have a lot of frustration,

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Speaker 2: where now some of the pro life community are politically pragmatic,

517
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Speaker 2: they're like, well, you know, sometimes obviously this one doesn't ness.

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Speaker 2: It's like, guys, you either believe it or you don't.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, and you said you did and you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't make any compromises, even though it's the most historically

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Speaker 2: unpopular thing that's ever happened to the Republicans in modern history.

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Speaker 2: You believe it then, but now you're willing to make

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Speaker 2: some concession. And then the problem again with the concession

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Speaker 2: is that then you're just opening yourself up to the

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Speaker 2: same practical understanding of all of this issue that all

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Speaker 2: Americans are, even secular ones. Whenever it comes to the

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Speaker 2: issue of abortion, and that, you know, is really what

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Speaker 2: it really bothers me in terms of how it all works.

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Speaker 2: You have of course, you know, for the ones who

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Speaker 2: are consistent the Catholic Church is straight up against IVF.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like, so which one is it, you know,

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Speaker 2: or whenever in terms of what's consistent with the teachings

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Speaker 2: and not. Once you open up your door to the

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Speaker 2: political pragmatism, then you're in the same boat as people

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Speaker 2: who are quote unquote reluctantly pro choice, just because they

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Speaker 2: understand that when you live in a dynamic society and

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Speaker 2: all that in terms of having choice and restrict access,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, it's not always one that you can be

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent adherent to your principle.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's kind of my major.

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Speaker 2: Analysis of how here they're willing to be pragmatic yea,

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Speaker 2: but other times never.

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Speaker 4: Some of them.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, did you see Tubberville getting asked about.

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Speaker 2: This, say, I know, he didn't have a response basically

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Speaker 2: like short circuit.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is emblematic of the fact that again,

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Speaker 1: if you say life begins.

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Speaker 3: At conception, yes, I agree, yes, then this.

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Speaker 1: Is the logical outcome of that belief, and so he

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Speaker 1: was really sort of trapped by that situation. Also, I

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Speaker 1: think was like confused about what had actually happened. But

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Speaker 1: having impost asked him his reaction, and initially he said

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Speaker 1: that he was quote all for it.

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Speaker 4: I was all for it.

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Speaker 1: Then they told him, you know, women are losing access

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Speaker 1: to IVF treatments. Health clinics have stopped IVF treatments. Then

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Speaker 1: he insisted that people need to have access. Then he

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Speaker 1: started to try to backtrack and he's like, ah, it's

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Speaker 1: this is really hard again. You want people to have

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Speaker 1: that opportunity. We need more kids. I'd have to look

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Speaker 1: at the entire bill, how it's written. I have not

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Speaker 1: seen it. Of course, this isn't a bill, it's court ruling.

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Speaker 1: So he just had no idea how to navigate, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be pro life, I'm supposed to support

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Speaker 1: things like this, but then on the other hand, IVF

567
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Speaker 1: this is really unpopular. And then he just sort of

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Speaker 1: bails on the conversation altogether, saying, oh, well, I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen the bill.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just one.

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Speaker 1: More indication of where Republicans actually are on this issue,

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Speaker 1: and how you know what they're claiming now of oh,

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Speaker 1: of course we support IVF doesn't match up with where

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Speaker 1: they've actually staked their ground politically across years and years.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Duckworth actually has a bill that would guarantee access

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Speaker 1: to protect IVF nationwide. She's been looking for Republican support

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Speaker 1: and has apparently not had any success finding it.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen what she had to say.

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Speaker 8: If I can get personal, I know that you turned

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Speaker 8: to IVF to for your daughters, aage nine and five.

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Speaker 8: What was your reaction when you saw the Supreme Court

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Speaker 8: decision in Alabama?

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Speaker 3: Not at all surprise?

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately, I've been talking about this twenty eighteen, when it

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Speaker 9: was very clear that Republicans were working to eliminate women's

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Speaker 9: reproductive rights. Well, the decision is very clear that a

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Speaker 9: fertilized eggs a child is a human being, which means that,

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Speaker 9: for example, in my case, when we had five fertilized

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Speaker 9: eggs and three were non viable, when my doctor discarded

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Speaker 9: those with my consent, that woululd be considered potentially manslaughter

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Speaker 9: or murder. Basically, Republicans have put the rights of a

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Speaker 9: fertilized egg over the rights of the woman and that

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Speaker 9: is not something that I think the American.

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Speaker 3: People agree with.

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Speaker 8: You introduced a bill west month to safeguard IVF access nationally.

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Speaker 8: The National Republican Senate Campaign ARM is instructing their candidates

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Speaker 8: to quote, clearly and concisely reject efforts by the government

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Speaker 8: to restrict IVF. So do you think you can now

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Speaker 8: get Republican support to pasture bill?

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Speaker 9: It's been crickets is the Alabama ruling. And let's make

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Speaker 9: it clear. Republicans will say whatever they need to say

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Speaker 9: to try to cover themselves on this, but they've been

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Speaker 9: clear and Donald Trump has been the guy leading this

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Speaker 9: effort to eliminate women's reproductive rights and reproductive choice. And

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Speaker 9: so this is the next step. And by the way,

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Speaker 9: not a single Republican has reached out to me on

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Speaker 9: the bill. I've introduced a bill multiple times now, multiple Congresses.

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Speaker 9: But frankly, you know, let's see if they vote for

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Speaker 9: it when we when we bring it to the floor.

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Speaker 3: So, very great question, I group. By the way, everyone

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Speaker 3: please vote for that.

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Speaker 2: Also, what they talked about insurance, Yeah, we should cover

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Speaker 2: that obviously, especially you know, I support for tillity, I

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Speaker 2: support I want our birth right.

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Speaker 3: You know, right, and all that to increase.

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Speaker 2: How do you think that's going to happen in an

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Speaker 2: age where people are waiting way later to get married

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Speaker 2: and people, you know, look, there's all kinds of hormone

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Speaker 2: problems and all this other stuff. This is a very

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Speaker 2: you know, obvious option for a lot of people. It

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Speaker 2: should not be purely accessible to the wealthy. And that's

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Speaker 2: actually what a winning position, you know, on something like

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Speaker 2: this looks like. But don't leave it to them to

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Speaker 2: square themselves up by Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the last thing I'll say on this is,

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Speaker 1: I think we're publicans had sort of hoped that after

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Speaker 1: ro versus way is overturned, after the Dabbs decision, that

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Speaker 1: you know, eventually things will kind of calm down, people

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Speaker 1: would move on. I mean, we're probably going to have

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Speaker 1: more rulings like this, more situations like there. Certainly, this

631
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Speaker 1: conversation about IVF is far from over at this point

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Speaker 1: when women in Alabama basically have already lost access to

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Speaker 1: this procedure, and there are other states around the country

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Speaker 1: with very similar legislation on the books claiming that you know,

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Speaker 1: life begins at conception with the very same uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: potential outcomes here. So this conversation is far from over,

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Speaker 1: and Republicans are dramatically on the wrong side of publican

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Speaker 1: opinion in a way that I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: people can really wrap their heads.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is like defund the police and awesome.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's actually worse. I mean seven percent.

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Speaker 1: You're on the side of seven percent who want to

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Speaker 1: make IVF more difficult.

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Speaker 4: That's where you are.

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Speaker 3: Good luck.

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Speaker 1: All right, Speaking of good luck, let's i'll talk about

647
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Speaker 1: some of Joe Biden's problems.

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Speaker 4: They cover both sides of s here.

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Speaker 1: So a new remarkable report coming out of the donor

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Speaker 1: class that they also are a little worried about Joseph

651
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Speaker 1: Robin at Biden.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. This is from

654
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Speaker 1: Axios headline. Here is Biden's cheat sheets at fundraisers.

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Speaker 4: Worry donors.

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Speaker 1: President Biden has apparently been using note cards and closed

657
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Speaker 1: door fundraisers, calling on pre screen donors, then consulting his

658
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Speaker 1: notes to provide detailed answers, corning people familiar with the routine.

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Speaker 1: Most of Biden's conversations with donors are shielded from public view.

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Speaker 1: The president gets his remarks with reporters but not TV

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Speaker 1: cameras in the room's frequently a teleprompter to help him

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Speaker 1: stay on track. After his opening comments at fundraisers, reporters

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Speaker 1: are then ushered out before donors are allowed to ask

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Speaker 1: two or three questions vetted by the president's staff. So,

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Speaker 1: just to sum up here, he's doing these fundraisers, he's

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Speaker 1: obviously not accessible with American people at all, done far

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Speaker 1: fewer interviews prose aveils than basically any other president in

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Speaker 1: the modern era.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so there's that.

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Speaker 1: But even when he gets behind closed doors at these fundraisers,

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Speaker 1: he reads from the teleprompter his comments while the reporters

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Speaker 1: are there, ushers them out, and then can't even handle

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Speaker 1: three pre screened questions without note cards and cheat sheets.

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Speaker 4: So that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: Even behind closed doors, he is not freelancing here whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: not able to speak off the cuff whatsoever. His aids

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Speaker 1: clearly have no confidence in his ability to speak extemporaneously

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Speaker 1: on any issue.

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Speaker 4: Again, even with.

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Speaker 1: Two or three pre screened, pre scripted questions.

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Speaker 4: I don't know us wild.

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Speaker 2: It's just funny, Crystal, when I see the standards that

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Speaker 2: we hold these people to like. For example, we both

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Speaker 2: do this for a living and sometimes whenever you interview people,

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Speaker 2: they will ask you for a list of questions that

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Speaker 2: are you know beforehand for people what they're going to

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Speaker 2: be in an interview. My rule is I will never

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Speaker 2: participate in that. And in general, unless you're like somebody

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Speaker 2: who was like tangentially involved.

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Speaker 3: And now we're in the public realm.

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Speaker 2: If you are a podcaster or something like that, and

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Speaker 2: you can't just show up extemporaneously and speak, I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about an actual list of the questions, you don't belong

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Speaker 2: in this business, period, right, And that is what we do,

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Speaker 2: which is like the lowest possible stakes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, now he's we have the president higher.

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Speaker 1: Standards for random run of the middle podcaster than we

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Speaker 1: do for the president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my standard for a guy with like two

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand YouTube subscribers as something like not the president

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Speaker 2: who's in charge of running the entire country. And I

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Speaker 2: mean it's trite, but it's like a daily reminder with

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Speaker 2: this man of he's just not fit for the job.

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Speaker 3: Period. You can't.

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Speaker 2: He was in public life for four fifty years. Ask

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Speaker 2: him twenty years ago if he would have allowed anybody

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Speaker 2: like this to be president. I mean, I've seen him

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Speaker 2: speak off the cuff, you know, ten twelve years ago.

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Speaker 2: It was something that a lot of these people actually

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Speaker 2: pride themselves on the ability to do it, to have

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Speaker 2: a spontaneous moment.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it, you know, at a campaign rally and

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Speaker 3: all this.

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Speaker 2: That's the mark of a sharp politician, somebody who really

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Speaker 2: belongs in public life. And this is the most friendly

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Speaker 2: audience that exists. And yet he's relying on this and

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Speaker 2: enough that they're leaking it and being like, hey, this

718
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Speaker 2: is a real problem, and they are dragging him across

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Speaker 2: and at this point, like we're almost entering like criminal territory,

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Speaker 2: at least morally for me, for the people who are

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Speaker 2: shielding the public from this, like we need to see this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's FDR fourth term level stuff where he's drooling out

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Speaker 2: of his mouth and they're dragging him, you know, across,

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Speaker 2: just because they want to still list.

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Speaker 1: After I was doing some good shit and I had

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Speaker 1: a whole program and people behind him.

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Speaker 3: It was just a different deal.

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Speaker 2: It was very anti democratic at that time, and this

729
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Speaker 2: is the closest analogous that we have gotten to.

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Speaker 3: Something like it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very similar to the Diane Feinstein situation.

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Speaker 1: Is he as far gone as Diane Finestein? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we would put him quite in that category.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's only ten years young.

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Speaker 1: Yet, but we've still got, you know, if he gets

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Speaker 1: re elected, we got four plus more years to watch

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Speaker 1: this decline.

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Speaker 4: That was one of the things that struck me.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember it was Azracline or Neat Silver in

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Speaker 1: their analysis of why they thought he should drop out,

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Speaker 1: who pointed not to him as vice president, you know,

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Speaker 1: back a decade plus ago or whatever. They pointed to

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Speaker 1: his announcement speech when he ran for president back in

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Speaker 1: twenty you know, the announcement speech was in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: not long ago, and said, look at this difference, Like,

746
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Speaker 1: look at the decline in just this short period of time.

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Speaker 1: What is this going to look like over the next

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Speaker 1: number of years? What does it look like now? When

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Speaker 1: you already know that he cannot handle the very basics

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Speaker 1: of campaigning. He can't even handle the fundraising circuit right,

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Speaker 1: let alone campaign rallies, let alone any sort of remotely

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Speaker 1: contentious interview.

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Speaker 4: He can't do any of it.

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Speaker 1: That's why he says no this Super Bowl interview because

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Speaker 1: he can't do any of it, and his aides have

756
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Speaker 1: no confidence that he could do any of it. But

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Speaker 1: to go back to the Feinstein thing, you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the cope that I see from Democrats is like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: if there was a real problem, we'd know it. There's

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Speaker 1: all kinds of reporters in this town I would love

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Speaker 1: to report on Joe Biden's decline, ETC's Oh really, how

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Speaker 1: long was Diane Feinstein in grave decline before we ever

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Speaker 1: heard a word of any of that?

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Speaker 4: And many of.

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Speaker 1: These reporters knew exactly what was going on, but they

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Speaker 1: thought it was a little uncouth, disrespectful, et cetera for

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Speaker 1: the American people to know the truth. So do I

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Speaker 1: put it past any of these people to lie and

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Speaker 1: obscure and cover up the reality of the situation here

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Speaker 1: with regard to Joe Biden, of course not. These are

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Speaker 1: the very same people who covered up how far gone

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Speaker 1: Diane Feinstein was, and we really only got a glimpse

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Speaker 1: of it when she was practically on her deathback.

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Speaker 2: You would have to have a stroke on camera for

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Speaker 2: them to even really take it serious. I'm serious, or

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Speaker 2: you'd have to be hospitalized and you know you found this, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: I feel gross even setting this up. But there's been

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Speaker 2: a more recent leak from Biden to show how virile

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Speaker 2: and strong he is. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. It's exclusive to The Daily Mail from an

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Speaker 2: expert of a new book leaked by staff. Biden eighty

782
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Speaker 2: one see's the Key to his marriage is good sex.

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Speaker 2: How Joe Biden infuriates Jill, his wife of forty seven years,

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Speaker 2: with a very risky joke to staff about their private life,

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Speaker 2: even though they aren't shy about their PDA. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty clear apparently I like many presidents apparently before him,

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Speaker 2: John F.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy, Lyndon B.

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Speaker 2: Johnson, many others who've occupied the Oval Office, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 2: he likes to brag about his sexual virility to his staff.

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Speaker 2: Imagine having to work for this old man who could

792
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Speaker 2: barely put a sentence together, which I guess probably fits

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Speaker 2: with some nursing home behavior, and sit there and just

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Speaker 2: just be like, oh sure, mister president, like very uncomfortably like.

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Speaker 3: Laugh at the jokes.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for them other people who are subjected

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Speaker 2: to this, But I think it was very clearly leaked

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Speaker 2: in an evidence as you said to show like, Nah,

799
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Speaker 2: he's fine, he's just you know, he's like a big

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Speaker 2: Oh he's still look like he's still got it. He's

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Speaker 2: like al Pacino. He's fathering a kid at eighty three

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Speaker 2: years old. Tiro, you know, eighty is the new twenty. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, that's very much the clear intent of this league

804
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: of like, well, he can't he can't even sit for

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Speaker 1: like a basic interview with a friendly reporter. But look

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Speaker 1: at this, Look at what a manny is behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: making his wife uncomfortable with his riscade jokes about his

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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: sex life, like oh, please stop, I feel that's not

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Speaker 1: he's not helping your case. No one wants to hear

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Speaker 1: about this. Absolutely, those are not the only issues that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has. Though obviously there are concerns about his age.

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Speaker 1: There's also concerns about the way that he has destroyed

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Speaker 1: his previous winning coalition out of you absolute fealty and

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Speaker 1: unconditional support for Israel in their assault on the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman, though unshaken in his support for Joe Biden

816
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Speaker 1: and saying that anyone who would criticize the man, and

817
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Speaker 1: by criticize, I mean just like literally describe his policies

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Speaker 1: or his current condition as evidence by what all of

819
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Speaker 1: us can see and hear with our own eyes and ears.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who would criticize him should just go ahead and

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Speaker 1: fly the Maga flag, put the Maga hat on.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: The president is going to win here in Pennsylvania. And

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Speaker 10: I've always believed that whoever wins Pennsylvania is going to

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Speaker 10: be the next president as well too. And this is

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Speaker 10: going to be It's going to be difficult, and we

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Speaker 10: all have to lean in on that. And we also

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Speaker 10: have to start having in all kinds of Democrats criticizing

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Speaker 10: the president too publicly. I don't understand why. I don't

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Speaker 10: know what's in it for you to do that, whether

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Speaker 10: you're just chasing clout or you want to make it

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Speaker 10: in the news or anything like that. But if you're

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Speaker 10: not willing to just support the president now and say

834
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Speaker 10: these kinds of things, you might as well just get

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Speaker 10: your mega head, because you now are helping up with this.

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Speaker 1: Love Yeah, love Amiga holds herself on as a journal

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. If you're not just engaged in complete propaganda

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Speaker 1: and denial of the reality in front of all of us,

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Speaker 1: then you might as well put your maga hat on

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00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: like they These are the same people who loved including

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Speaker 1: John Ftterman loves to talk about democracy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, could you be I mean?

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Speaker 1: And this is North Korea style propaganda. This is like

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Speaker 1: you cannot question or say one critical.

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Speaker 4: Word of the dear leader, or you know, you are

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Speaker 4: an enemy of the state. That's basically the position here.

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Speaker 3: That's what he says.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we have an MSNBC panel. They actually

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Speaker 2: did a focused group of voters in Michigan. Many of

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Speaker 2: them Muslim Americans, are activists around Gaza and you know

851
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Speaker 2: these are not Maga people, folks, but they are just democrats.

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Speaker 2: They're very upset with Biden, and they've got some choice

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Speaker 2: words for him. And I think for the John Fetterman's

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Speaker 2: of the world, let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 11: Is there a pathway forward for you with Biden? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 12: You cannot keep killing people with our money and just

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00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 12: keep thinking that, oh, we are stupid enough to elect

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Speaker 12: you again, because we'll fall in line, You'll forget.

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Speaker 11: How can you?

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Speaker 12: How can like this is an insult to me as

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Speaker 12: a word for you?

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Speaker 3: Biden has a pathway forward.

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Speaker 13: Biden has a pathway forward is not what does that

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Speaker 13: look like? That is him calling for a permanent immediacy inspire.

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Speaker 13: The straightforward, simple answer for the Biden administration is presureci spire,

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Speaker 13: stop aiding Israel in their war crimes, and I guarantee

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Speaker 13: you there are enough people who would be willing to

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Speaker 13: deal with it and vote for the man. It is,

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Speaker 13: in so many words, insane to me to have the

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Speaker 13: Democratic Party in the Biden administration sit here and essentially

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Speaker 13: say if Trump happens, it's your fault.

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Speaker 12: If you don't want a Trump presidency, then are you

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Speaker 12: not worried about what he could do domestically to this country?

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Speaker 6: I am, you know, it's luck a vaccine. I'm willing

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Speaker 6: to take short term pain for a long term gain.

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Speaker 6: I'm willing to let go of Jewel and oppose Joe Biden,

878
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Speaker 6: make him a one term president. Punish Joe Biden by

879
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 6: making him a one term president and pairing his loss

880
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 6: with the genocide in Gaza.

881
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: Why does our democracy? Why is having a Trump president

882
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 7: and see more important than those people's lives? Why is

883
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 7: our democracy more important than thousands of men, women and

884
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 7: children being killed?

885
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: Woof all right, I don't know, Crystal, I don't see

886
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: a lot of those.

887
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, okay, that one guy he said, He's like, yeah,

888
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: I could, I could see a pathway back to him.

889
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: But you know, one of the points that some of

890
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: the other voters made, and I think you've made this

891
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: one too, some of the political prices of this is

892
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: baked in period, and it's like a lot of these

893
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: people they may never come back, you know, even at

894
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: this point if there is some change in US policy,

895
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: just because of the initial actions in the first one

896
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Speaker 2: hundred days or so.

897
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: So I am increasingly convinced this is going to be

898
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 3: a problem.

899
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Speaker 2: And I think it's not just because of Michigan. I

900
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: think it really is an overall depressive effect of chaos,

901
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: a weakening of the coalition across the board. In the

902
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: same way that Biden's decline really happened in the polls

903
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: after Afghanistan. It wasn't really just because of Afghanistan. It

904
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: was because nine different things all hit it once. But

905
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: it was a precipitating factor. I think Gaza and Israel

906
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: has now entered territory.

907
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 11: Yeah.

908
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, for a lot of people who see this

909
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: as a crime against humanity, and as Joe Biden, you know,

910
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: facilitating being directly complicit spending our tax dollars on these,

911
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, bombs to kill children, the Gaza strip, Like

912
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: it is a moral red line. And so the consequence

913
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: of oh, but you might you might elect Trump, It's like,

914
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: that's not on me, that's on it, that's on you.

915
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: That is on you and what you have done, you know,

916
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: in our name and with our support and backing from

917
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: the previous election campaigns. So I think a lot of

918
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: people this is just a red line beyond which they

919
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: will not cross. And you know, even for the gentleman

920
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: who said I could see my way back to him,

921
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the series of policy changes he laid out are things

922
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: that are not going to happen.

923
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: So, I mean, even for him, I think.

924
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: It's very unlikely that he's able to be persuaded at

925
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day to come back to Joe Biden.

926
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a much more immediate question right

927
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: now this week, which is how many votes is uncommitted

928
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: going to get in this mission Chigan primary, which is

929
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I mean, Joe Biden at this point, you know,

930
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: obviously he's going to be the Democratic nominee unless he

931
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: drops out, her dies or his thorn.

932
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Speaker 4: Prisoner or whatever.

933
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: The black Swan events that are on the table for

934
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: him are same as Trump. He's going to be the

935
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Democratic nominee. But there is a quite organized and effort,

936
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: with now quite a bit of relatively mainstream support to

937
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: register a protest against Joe Biden by voting uncommitted. Actually,

938
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: one of the most telling things I saw Soccer was

939
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: Grushian Whitmer has been sent out to the Sunday shows,

940
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: the CNN and wherever to try to make the case

941
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: to affirmatively vote for Joe Biden in Michigan.

942
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 4: I believe it was in an interview with Dana.

943
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: Bash where she was very she would not say if

944
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: she would not set any expectations for how she thought

945
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Joe Biden would do in the state against uncommitted, which

946
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: showed me a level of nervousness that I was frankly

947
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: a bit surprised by. But one of the latest supporters

948
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: of the uncommitted campaign is lifelong Michigan resident Michael Moore,

949
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: who whatevery thing about Michael Moore. He has been very

950
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: prescient in his political analysis, especially in the state of Michigan.

951
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: He's had his finger on the pulls of how people

952
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: are thinking there, and he went on m SMEBC and

953
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: a variety of other places to explain why he is

954
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: backing the effort to vote uncommitted.

955
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

956
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 14: I guess I'm a recovering Catholic at this point, but

957
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 14: Joe Biden is He's one of the few presidents in

958
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 14: my lifetime that actually when they went to church like

959
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 14: he means it. You know, Jimmy Carter was like that.

960
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 14: I think, you know, very few presidents. I think I

961
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 14: think he does mean it. And I'm just if I

962
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 14: had a chance to talk to Jill Biden, the first

963
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 14: thing I want to ask him is, what do you

964
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 14: still go to mass? I mean, what's going on here?

965
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 14: Why are you participating something that's killing civilians and children

966
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 14: and thirty thousand now dead. He's going to cost himself

967
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 14: the election. He's going to you know, if Trump has

968
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 14: any chance, it's that the decision that he's made to

969
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 14: embrace slaughter, carpet bond, incubator babies and incubators dead because

970
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 14: they cut off the electricity, on and on.

971
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: And on, so explaining they're his horror and how Joe

972
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Biden is responsible for potentially getting Trump reelected.

973
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: Michael Moore someone who has the.

974
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Most maximalist views of the potential danger of another Trump presidency,

975
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: and that's important to keep in mind, as well as

976
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: some of the people who are saying they're going to

977
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: vote Uncommitted in Michigan or are supporting that campaign, or

978
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: people who you really believe in the harm of a

979
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: Donald Trump presidency of him getting reelected, feel it is

980
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: very existential, but also feel that Joe Biden himself is

981
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: imperiling his reelection chances. This one surprised the hell out

982
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: of me. Put this next one up on the screen, guys.

983
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Beta O'Rourke, blast from the Past, is supporting the Uncommitted

984
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: campaign in Michigan's Tuesday presidential primary. He says he agrees

985
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: with the aims and the goals. We should have a ceasefire.

986
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: There should be a return of each and every single

987
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: one of those hostages. There should be an end of

988
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: this war, and there should be a negotiated solution of

989
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: palsting in statehood. All of that needs to happen, and

990
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: I share that concern that the US is not doing

991
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: close to enough to bring those things to pass. He

992
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: goes on, he lays out some history here in his thinking.

993
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: He says the.

994
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: Campaign to vote uncommitted is not without precedent. When Martin

995
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior and Andrew Young first approached Lyndon Vane

996
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: Johnson about passing the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty four,

997
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: President told him he didn't have the political power to

998
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: get it past. King and Young spent the weeks and

999
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: months that followed organizing to get Johnson that mandate. It

1000
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: culminates in John Lewis leading that march across the Edmund

1001
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: Pettis Bridge in March of nineteen sixty five, almost being

1002
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: beaten to death in the process and really galvanizing the

1003
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: conscience of the country. Within eight days, Johnson convenes a

1004
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: joint session of Congress and by that summer has passed

1005
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: and signed into law the Voting Rights Act of nineteen

1006
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: sixty five. I know that Joe Biden is a good man.

1007
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but anyway, who's saying that. I

1008
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: know that he wants to do the right thing. Also

1009
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: don't know that sometimes split up pressure helps a president

1010
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: get there, and that may be what's needed now. So

1011
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: that is Beto's thinking here, and Sager Many people have

1012
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: commented on the extraordinary turn of events that has Bernie

1013
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Sanders endorsing Joe Biden, including in the Michigan primary, and

1014
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: Beta O'Rourke coming out for a ceasefire and for voting uncommitted.

1015
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he endorsement in the Michigan primary.

1016
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: That's pretty that's crazy. He did remember he won Michigan

1017
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen. That was a big deal.

1018
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, that that I have to have to toy

1019
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: with that.

1020
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: One of mine did not see that.

1021
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: We certainly did not see that one coming. Like I said,

1022
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: I think Biden is probably going to win. It's really

1023
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: just a question of whether they're going to get a

1024
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: decent amount there on the ballot. If they can crack

1025
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: anywhere between what do you think ten percent?

1026
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary. Ten percent would be a lot.

1027
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: I think what I heard from the organizer is that

1028
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: their original.

1029
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: Goal was ten thousand votes. Okay, ten thousand votes.

1030
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would be as a percentage,

1031
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: but I would think that they're I don't know, but

1032
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: I would think they're in line. I mean, given the

1033
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: level of national attention and support, given the number of

1034
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: college towns in the state of Michigan, given the sizeable

1035
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: Arab American population. You know, had the mayor of Dearborn

1036
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: come out and say vote uncommitted. I saw a Detroit

1037
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: councilwoman come out and say vote uncommitted. You got Rasheta

1038
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: to leave, You've got Michael Moore, You've not cut Beto Verborg.

1039
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 4: So it's got some momentum.

1040
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: What does it amount to, I don't know, but you

1041
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: know it's at least in an attempt to send some

1042
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of a democratic vessage to Joe Biden. Whether or

1043
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: not he is concerned by that or heeds their calls

1044
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: to change policy is another question altogether.

1045
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the two year anniversary of the war in Ukraine

1046
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: has now come and gone. President Zelenski of Ukraine giving

1047
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: a landmark speech in which he pleaded for more Western aed,

1048
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: but in which he also made a comment which we

1049
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: simply can't just let pass by because it really demonstrates

1050
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: the level of delusion right now inside the Ukrainian government

1051
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: and really the wilful life are being propagated to the

1052
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: American people. Let's put this up there then on the screen.

1053
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: In the speech, President Zelenski claimed, with a straight phrase,

1054
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: Crystal that the tally of a number of Ukrainian soldiers

1055
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: who've been killed is thirty one thousand now as even

1056
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: the New York Times remarks quote US officials have said

1057
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: that the number is closer to seventy thousand. I would

1058
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: say that both of those estimates are dramatically underestimating the

1059
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: number of people who have been killed in the conflict,

1060
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: because if we square it with everything that we know,

1061
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: even in terms of past estimates, in terms of the

1062
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: amputation numbers, in terms of the fact if you've only

1063
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: had thirty one thousand people who are killed, then why

1064
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: is the average agent side of the Ukrainian military fifty

1065
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: years old? Why are you kidnapping disabled people off the

1066
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 2: street who are like forty five with one leg or whatever,

1067
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: have been previously dismissed and allowing them to serve. Why

1068
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 2: have six hundred and fifty thousand You know, prime age

1069
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: males have also fled the country, and that's how we

1070
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: know that the remainder of the population is not there.

1071
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: So if we know the fleeing estimate, and if we

1072
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: know the previous population of Ukraine, the number is very

1073
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: likely in the hundreds of thousands. That is far more

1074
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: likely of an estimate. I would just put this up

1075
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: there from the New York Times, again only a few

1076
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: months ago, which they seem to have forgotten even according

1077
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: to US officials, the death toll, and well, they include

1078
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Speaker 2: death and injuries. This was back in August of twenty

1079
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Speaker 2: twenty three, so there have been several probably thousands, tens

1080
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: of thousands since then. Was near five hundred thousand. Now

1081
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Speaker 2: they're claiming, you know, a little bit more for the Russians.

1082
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: That's probably likely in terms of what the overall number is,

1083
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: but we don't know what it is. We don't know

1084
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 2: if it's three hundred thousand, which is what the Ukrainians claim.

1085
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: But at the very least, Crystal, the reason why I

1086
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: felt so compelled that we had to cover this is

1087
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: that there are people in this country who believe that,

1088
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: including I mean the Times, the media. People are people

1089
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: are pointing to this some sort of evidence of victory

1090
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: by the Ukrainian forces. Like again they are claiming with

1091
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: the straight face, Crystal, that they have had thirty one

1092
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: thousand killed and the Russians have had three hundred thousand.

1093
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: So either they are the greatest defensive force like known

1094
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: to men, or they're lying, and that's unfortunate because they're

1095
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: pleading for more weapons and for more support when they

1096
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: are barely able to recruit fifty something your people who

1097
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: are old. They have people who are seventy in the

1098
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: Ukrainian armed forces who are on the front line, many

1099
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: of whom just mass surrendered in one of their biggest

1100
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: strategic defeats in years on the battlefield. It's like the

1101
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: reality on the ground and the propaganda narrative is diverging

1102
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: at a historic level, and yet a lot of people

1103
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: in the establishment of this country, including the media, are

1104
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: buying a hook line and sinker.

1105
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1106
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: I mean even again to underscore, the.

1107
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: US official assessment is more than double what Zelenski is

1108
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: claiming here, and I think most estimates are that the

1109
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 1: Russians have more killed on their side. They out number

1110
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: Ukrainians on the battlefield almost three to one. They also

1111
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: have a massively larger population in order to refill their ranks,

1112
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: so you know, yes, they have probably suffered more casualties.

1113
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: They're also in a better position to continue the fight

1114
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: and send more soldiers to the front line.

1115
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 4: I mean, the manpower.

1116
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Issue for Ukraine is just as critical as the ammunition

1117
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: shortage is for Ukraine, if not more at this point.

1118
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: I think the reason why it's important to talk about

1119
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: just like the brazen nature of this lie, is because

1120
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: it's consistent with some of the domestic criticism that Zelensky

1121
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: has faced, including from some of his own military commanders,

1122
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: about this propaganda bubble that he has created and persisted with.

1123
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 4: So it's one thing.

1124
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: Look, you're in wartime trying to you know, trying to

1125
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: prop up the population, keep them positive, you know, showcase

1126
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: whatever victories you're having on the battlefield, keep morale up, etc.

1127
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think anyone would acceptect any country to

1128
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: do that. It's another thing to just out and out

1129
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: lie about the reality of what's happening on the ground

1130
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: and the defeats that are being suffered and the level

1131
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: of suffering that occurs. I can't imagine that. I mean,

1132
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Ukrainians are the ones who know the people who are

1133
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: dying and being killed, know the people who are coming

1134
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: back with limbs lost, know the men who are having

1135
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: to flee the country to avoid getting scooped up, know

1136
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: the people with intellectual disabilities that are being sent to

1137
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: the front.

1138
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: Lines, etc.

1139
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they buy this crap either. So

1140
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: that to me is what's so noteworthy, is just how

1141
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: even the New York Times can't take this with a

1142
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: straight face because it is such a brazen lie and

1143
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: so at odds with the realities that actually exists.

1144
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the US estimate, which again is dramatically undercounted.

1145
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: Let's put this up here again, which is on the screen,

1146
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: because I feel really compelled if Zelenski's not going to

1147
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: to speak to the reality of the situation in Ukraine,

1148
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: the amputations. This was in August of twenty twenty three.

1149
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: The number of Ukrainians who had lost limbs had already

1150
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: reached the levels that four years of the First World

1151
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: War had incurred for Germans and Britons who went through

1152
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: the entire four and a half year war. This is

1153
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: a war which where we learned about the devastating effects

1154
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: of artillery, of modern machinery, machine guns, and this is

1155
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: what they incurred in just a year and a half.

1156
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: It's been six months or so since this piece came out.

1157
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: How many more tens of thousands have been suffered amputations?

1158
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: It just does it.

1159
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: It flies completely in the course like its strains credulity,

1160
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: as you said in our beginning that we could have

1161
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: First World War level amputation and tend to have more

1162
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: than what's half the number who have been killed in action.

1163
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: Not even the most strenuous Ukraine believers would privately admit

1164
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: anything like this, and yet that's what they want us

1165
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: to believe. And the reason why, again we're spending so

1166
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: much time on this is that they are in pure

1167
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: desperation right now, peers, that we are going to enable

1168
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: that with some of the most devastating consequences. Let's put

1169
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: this up there please on the screen. And the very

1170
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: same time that Zelensky is giving this speech, then Secretary

1171
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: General of NATO John Stoltenberg is now hinting that Ukraine

1172
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: this is from a Ukrainian outlet, is hinting that Ukraine

1173
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: could use F sixteens for strikes on military targets inside

1174
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: of Russia. So let's make very clear that President Biden

1175
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 2: allegedly extracted a promise from the Ukrainians that they would

1176
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: not do that, and yet here's the NATO Secretary General

1177
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: who is saying that he would endorse such a policy.

1178
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: We have also seen in recent months crystal the use

1179
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: of US weapons by the Ukrainian forces deep inside of

1180
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: uncontested Russian territory, for example, in places like Rostov. Well,

1181
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: they claim it's a military depot, and yet they're using

1182
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 2: the exact same tactics of the Russians. They're hitting civilian

1183
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: infrastructure and they're killing kids in some instances, not saying that,

1184
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: you know, they're on the same level or whatever. But

1185
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: if you're going to drag yourself down into that, and

1186
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: you you know, the last gambles as you're losing these

1187
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: major battles on the battlefield, are going to be throwing

1188
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: things out like that, that's probably the scenario most likely

1189
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: to lead to some sort of war. And then on

1190
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: top of it's like I can't stop. We have more

1191
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: inclinations that people want to. Like the new candidates for

1192
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: NATO Secretary General because this man is outgoing, many of

1193
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: them are committing to a policy that a Ukraine will

1194
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 2: eventually be in NATO. And President Putin gave a speech

1195
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: just yesterday He's like, let's be very clear, if that happens.

1196
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: We will be in a full blown nuclear war. I

1197
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: mean it. And you know, maybe he's lying. I'd rather

1198
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: not find out.

1199
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those we just have to be

1200
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: real here in terms of the manpower situation, the ammunition situation,

1201
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: and desperate people often resort to desperate things, which I

1202
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: don't blame them.

1203
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: I probably would too, But.

1204
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: If you know, just like in the Israel situation, if

1205
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: we're going to co sign, we're going to give you

1206
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: the weapons to do it, then we could be considered

1207
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: an active combatant the same thing.

1208
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely right, that's absolutely right.

1209
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: And I think part of why Selensky felt the need

1210
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: to put out there such a brazen live at even

1211
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: the New York Times isn't buying at this point, is

1212
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: because he needs to for the US audience, mask the

1213
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: incredible suffering of his own people, because I think if

1214
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: people really understood what the costs have been of prosecuting

1215
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: and continuing to prosecute this war, that raises some very

1216
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: uncomfortable questions for the continued level of support going forward.

1217
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: Which doesn't mean that people don't have sympathy for the

1218
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: Ukrainian cause, that doesn't mean that is justifying Russian actions.

1219
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: But you know, this is the other cost of having

1220
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: a president who is so infirm and unintelligible that he

1221
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: can't sit for a single basic interview is there is

1222
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: no accounting of how they think this is all going

1223
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: to end, how they think this is going, where they

1224
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: think this is going, what the you know, ultimate endgame

1225
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: is we used to have some theory of the gal

1226
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: the spring offensive and they're handibly strained, and then maybe they'll.

1227
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: Come to what is the theory?

1228
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: Now, what would this additional aid package? What is that

1229
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: going to get us? What is that going to get

1230
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: the Ukrainians? Where is that going to put us all

1231
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. So, I mean, that's

1232
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: the piece that has long been missing here is you

1233
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: may hate the idea of a negotiated settlement that would

1234
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: include some sort of you know, giving up some portion

1235
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: of the previous you know, the Ukrainian land to Russia.

1236
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: You may absolutely hate that idea. I think that it

1237
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: is incredibly unjust. I'm not claiming that it is. But

1238
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: what's the alternative. What's the alternative at this point? What

1239
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: is the theory of the case for how you're going

1240
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: to get to a solution that you find to be better,

1241
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: that you find to be superior. And that's how I mean,

1242
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: that's the logic soccer of how these wars always continue

1243
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: in definitely, it.

1244
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 4: Was the same thing.

1245
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: That's why we ended up staying in Afghanistan forever. These

1246
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: other presidents weren't stupid. They knew that it was not

1247
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: a good sugutuation. They knew that if we left, it

1248
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: was not going to be a good situation, and so

1249
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: they just the easy logices are, we'll just keep it going,

1250
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: We'll just pass the buck, rather than actually try to

1251
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: bring this thing to some sort of a conclusion, ugly

1252
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: or not.

1253
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: Well, the tragedy is that, as a result of the

1254
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: policy of the West and enabling Zelenski's literal egotism, fanaticism

1255
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 2: and now delusion, is that they are in a way

1256
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: worse position today than they were at the beginning.

1257
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: Of the war, no doubt.

1258
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: Now they have lost their entire generation of Ukrainian men.

1259
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: I just saw a video today of a single local

1260
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: recruitment person in Ukraine.

1261
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: They pulled a million.

1262
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: Dollars out of shoe boxes that he had in his

1263
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: apartment because he was taking bribes to let people out

1264
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: of the draft. I mean, this is one guy in

1265
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: one depot inside Ukraine, and they're.

1266
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: All us dollars too.

1267
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: Just so we're all aware in terms of where that

1268
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: currency is coming from.

1269
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: That's just one guy. The grift, the graft.

1270
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: It is extraordinary to a degree that you can barely understand.

1271
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: And on top of all of that, our major Russian

1272
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: battlefield victories are a Russian you know, moving away from conscription,

1273
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: successfully backfilling all of the three hundred thousand people that

1274
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: have either been killed and or injured. They've had a

1275
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: very successful program by basically bribing people in the caucus

1276
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: regions to come and join the military, very willing. It

1277
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: peers to be fight and to use attrition style warfare

1278
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: in terms of navalny and all that. He basically, you know,

1279
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: somebody died his major political opponent.

1280
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: He's never been more in control of Russia.

1281
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: They are going to produce four point five million artillery

1282
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: shells in twenty twenty four. According to the Estonians, it

1283
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: could actually be even higher. Our best estimate for Europe

1284
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: and the United States couple hundred thousand. It's like between

1285
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: the man power between the power and balance between the will.

1286
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: It's a devastating situation.

1287
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: The longer they keep this going, they're going to lose

1288
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: even more of their country, and they're going to lose

1289
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: even more of their people.

1290
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: To be killed. It will actually put them in a

1291
01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: position where Putin.

1292
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: Is the least likely to negotiate if he's you know,

1293
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: has breakthroughs on Like I was reading one military analyst

1294
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: that compared some of these recent breakthroughs that have already

1295
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: happened to the initial opening gambles that led the Germans

1296
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: to capitulate in the First World War. Just to put

1297
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: it into perspective, you know, many of the gains from

1298
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: their original counter offensive of that have been now won

1299
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: back by the Russians. And you can't blame it just

1300
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: on artillery because we don't even have the ammunition to

1301
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: deliver if we wanted it, which would only lead to

1302
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: F sixteens missiles and other things being launched into Russia,

1303
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: which would only bring us all into a worse situation.

1304
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: So bleak situation that's happening over there.

1305
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: We have some horrifying breaking news this morning. A US

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Speaker 1: airman by the name of Aaron Bush now self immolated

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Speaker 1: in front of the Israeli embassy as an act of protest.

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Speaker 4: He streamed this live.

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Speaker 1: He said in part he did not want to be

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Speaker 1: complicit in genocide, and as he was on fire, he

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Speaker 1: was screaming Free Palestine. His family wanted the video to

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Speaker 1: be released. Obviously Aarin is this, you know, as part

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Speaker 1: of what he was doing, wanted people to see what

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Speaker 1: he had to say. We're going to show you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the video so you can hear his words.

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Speaker 1: We're going to cut it off before he begins to

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Speaker 1: douse himself and set himself a light.

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Speaker 4: But just a warning.

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Speaker 1: Even this portion is very disturbing, so only watch if

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Speaker 1: you want to see this.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look.

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Speaker 16: Is Aaron Bush now, I am an active duty member

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Speaker 16: of the United States Air Force, and I will no

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Speaker 16: longer be complicit in genocide. I'm about to engage in

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Speaker 16: an extreme active protest. But compared to what people have

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Speaker 16: been experiencing in Palestine had the hands of their colonizers,

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Speaker 16: it's not extreme at all. This is what our ruling

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Speaker 16: class has decided.

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Speaker 14: Will be normal.

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Speaker 1: So he then goes ahead and sets himself on fire.

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Speaker 1: Paramedics Russian as well as I don't know it's cup

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Speaker 1: or some sort of law enforcement or Israeli embassy security

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Speaker 1: who is pointing a gun at him as he is

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Speaker 1: potentially burning to death. There are conflicting reports this morning.

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Speaker 1: Some outlets say that he has died from those injuries.

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Speaker 4: Others say that he is.

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Speaker 1: In critical condition, in very very bad shape. A few

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Speaker 1: things that we have learned. First of all, it has

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Speaker 1: been confirmed he is in fact a current active US airman.

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Speaker 1: We also know, and this is crazy to me, that

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Speaker 1: we had no idea about this. This is actually the

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Speaker 1: second act of self immolation in this country. There was

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Speaker 1: another individual who set themselves on fire for very similar

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Speaker 1: reasons outside of the Israeli embassy in Atlanta, I believe so.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that got covered up and we

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Speaker 1: didn't hear about any of this. We can put some

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Speaker 1: of the details here up on the screen again, disturbing

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Speaker 1: image of Aaron here on fire. The breaking news headline

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Speaker 1: here from marinofall is an active duty member of the

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Speaker 1: US Air Force set himself on fire in front of

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Speaker 1: Israeli embassy in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: I will no longer be complicit in genocide.

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Speaker 1: While on fire, he repeatedly yells, free Palestine. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what to say about this. The media, of course,

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Speaker 1: fell down completely on the job here in reporting exactly

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Speaker 1: what happened. We could put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: New York Times and other major outlets. First of all,

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Speaker 1: took them long time to cover it at all. Second

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Speaker 1: of all, in their headlines, they don't explain the reason

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Speaker 1: why Aaron gave for committing what he described as an

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Speaker 1: extreme active protest and likely ending in at least critical

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Speaker 1: critical injuries and very possibly in his death. We can

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Speaker 1: see these headlines here New York Times a man set

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Speaker 1: himself on fire outside the Israeli Embassy and Washington. The

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Speaker 1: police said US airman sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy.

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Speaker 1: Active duty airman sets himself on fire, US araman sets

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Speaker 1: himself on fire. Again, nothing about his stated reasons for

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Speaker 1: why he did this. Sager, It's just it's horrifying to watch.

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Speaker 1: It's just horrifying.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's horrible.

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Speaker 2: I really recommend people do not watch that video, the

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Speaker 2: full video of it, unless you really like you need

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Speaker 2: to know exactly what you're getting yourself into. And it's

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Speaker 2: just one of those where headspace and all of that.

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Speaker 2: As you said, this fits with the second one, which

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Speaker 2: again I did not know about, about the Atlanta the

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Speaker 2: US Air Force confirming that the active duty US airmen

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Speaker 2: was involved in the incident.

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Speaker 3: We're not yet sure as to his condition in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: There have been sustained protests outside of the Israeli embassy

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Speaker 2: here in Washington, as well as many as there Israelly

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Speaker 2: consulates and other diplomatic outposts around the world.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just horrifying to the entire.

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Speaker 2: Situation is just devastating, especially to think he seems to

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Speaker 2: be a very young man. As you said, apparently his

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Speaker 2: family wanted the video and all that released.

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Speaker 3: But it's certainly, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, this is reminiscent of the I'm very likely why

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Speaker 2: the act of protest was taken, the monk who set

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Speaker 2: himself on fire in protests of the Vietnam War, which

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Speaker 2: became one of the most iconic images of that time.

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Speaker 2: So very likely trying to recreate something like that. But

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Speaker 2: I don't want to glorify or you know, anything like this,

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Speaker 2: just because you know, this man very likely is going

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Speaker 2: to lose his life as a result of.

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Speaker 1: This, yeah, if he hasn't already, or you know, the

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Speaker 1: fruit seller in Tunisia, that's right, another you know extreme

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Speaker 1: act taken, their desperate act taken, which had massive geopolitical consequences,

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Speaker 1: And as you said, Saga, I'm sure that's what Aaron

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Speaker 1: who was clearly desperately trying to do something to stop

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Speaker 1: what he sees and what I see and what much

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Speaker 1: of the world sees as a genocide, and as an

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Speaker 1: active duty service member, feeling that he was being made

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Speaker 1: to be complicit in that genocide. You know, our thoughts

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Speaker 1: are certainly with his family. I hope that he and

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Speaker 1: his family are able to find peace and comfort in

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Speaker 1: her horrifying time, horrific situation. All right, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and move on to the very latest from bb net Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: He was on one of our Sunday shows over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Brennan pressing him pretty aggressively on whether he is

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Speaker 1: losing support of the United States.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to how he responded.

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Speaker 17: The IDF has only destroyed thirty percent of HAMAS leadership,

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Speaker 17: and that the amount of tunnels that Hamas uses have

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Speaker 17: really only been tiny in terms of what has been

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Speaker 17: destroyed by the IDF. There is growing distrust of you personally,

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Speaker 17: So you know this in the US Congress and within

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Speaker 17: the Biden White House. When your closest ally is telling

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Speaker 17: you things like this and telling you that you need

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Speaker 17: to reconsider a strategy, isn't it worth considering Look.

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Speaker 18: I think that the US agrees with us on the

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Speaker 18: goal of destroying Comas, yes, and on the goal of

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Speaker 18: releasing the hostages. The decisions of how to do that

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Speaker 18: are left with us and with me and the elected

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Speaker 18: cabinet of Israel, and we're doing that. A lot of

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Speaker 18: things that you that we were told by the best

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Speaker 18: of friends initially turned out not to be true. They said,

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Speaker 18: you can't enter the ground war without having enormous complications.

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Speaker 18: They said, you cannot fight, you can't enter Gaza City,

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Speaker 18: you can't go into the tunnels there. It will be

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Speaker 18: a terrible bloodbath. All of that turned out to be

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Speaker 18: not true.

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Speaker 3: Sure, but the former.

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Speaker 17: Head of Central Command was on this program just a

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Speaker 17: few weeks ago and said, basically, you have not articulated

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Speaker 17: any specific end game here. So but putting that aside,

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Speaker 17: I want to come back to a few different things

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Speaker 17: to Margaret.

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Speaker 18: Margaret, hold on, you love these these grenades at me

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Speaker 18: and you keep on moving. Well, first of all, you

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Speaker 18: say there's no confidence, meet, Well, there's really public has

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Speaker 18: confidence in me.

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Speaker 17: Last week there were massive protests throughout Israel yesterday.

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Speaker 18: Of course, we have protests. We have protests as well

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Speaker 18: as democracy that protest.

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Speaker 17: What Hamas has done is horrific. But President Biden has said,

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Speaker 17: your actions, sir, are over the top. Aren't you concerned

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Speaker 17: that Israel is creating more risks than it is killing?

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Speaker 18: What would America do? What would America do? Margaret? If

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Speaker 18: you face the equivalent of twenty nine elevens fifty thousand

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Speaker 18: Americans slaughtered in one day, ten thousand Americans, including mothers

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Speaker 18: and children held hostage, would you not be doing what

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Speaker 18: Israel is doing? You'd be doing a hell of a

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Speaker 18: lot more. And all Americans that I talked to nearly

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Speaker 18: all say.

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Speaker 2: That, I'm sure the Americans he talks he does say

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Speaker 2: that that's certainly right. I'm just so this man is

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Speaker 2: living in a delusion, like in a pyramid of his

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Speaker 2: own construction. He's like, the Israeli public supports me. How

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Speaker 2: in a straight face can you possibly say that you

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Speaker 2: know the other part of this thing, Crystal. He continues

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Speaker 2: to do only interviews with US based media outlets. He

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Speaker 2: won't face his own people in Hebrew to face any

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Speaker 2: critical challenge. Go and sit with your own media outlets

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Speaker 2: who will actually ask you very detailed questions.

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Speaker 3: They're not nearly as afraid as our people are. I mean,

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Speaker 3: look at that. It's the most tepid.

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, you know, some people say President Biden in

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Speaker 2: you know, Haretz and many Israeli journalists and others that

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Speaker 2: we have covered here are far more critical than net

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Speaker 2: On Yahoo government than most of the people in our

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Speaker 2: own country.

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Speaker 3: So that was my big takeaway.

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Speaker 1: I thought she did a decent job of pressing him,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the Biden administration gives him every out

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Speaker 1: because first of all, their criticism of him is so tapid.

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Speaker 1: Oh Biden said it was over the top. Oh my gosh, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. It's so tapid, it's so lame. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: come with any sort of pressure. And you have multiple

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Speaker 1: US fokespeople who have now repeated basically what Boebe says

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Speaker 1: there of like, hey, it's their country. They can do

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Speaker 1: what they want, Okay, but we don't have to ship

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Speaker 1: them the weapons of their genocide and of their atrocities.

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Speaker 4: Okay. We don't have to ship them the funding.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to provide them diplomatic cover both at

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Speaker 1: the UN and at the ICJ, like we have done

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to block and.

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Speaker 1: Veto multiple ceasefire resolutions, as we have done now.

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Speaker 4: So it just is so it's the peak.

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Speaker 1: Of gas slighting to pretend like, oh, it's just up

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Speaker 1: to them and we've got nothing to do with it. Bullshit,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to use the leverage that you have.

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Speaker 1: And so Bbe feels perfectly comfortable to go on American television.

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Speaker 4: Say oh, they've been Americans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've they've pressed us on some things, but ultimately,

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Speaker 1: actually they've been wrong about all of the criticisms that

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Speaker 1: they've lobbied a US or all of the suggestions that

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Speaker 1: they made about how we should conduct this offensive. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he said, oh, they told us it would be a

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Speaker 1: terrible bloodbath if we want. It has been a terrible bloodbath.

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Speaker 1: It has been a terrible blood bath. No one was

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Speaker 1: wrong about that. Now, did the US actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: fully express those concerns that we've been willing to do

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Speaker 1: anything about that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's just another humiliation for the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration to have BB on our television basically like throwing

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Speaker 1: in their face any sort of concerns or objections they have.

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Speaker 1: And BB getting a little bit testy there with Margaret Brennan,

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Speaker 1: because as you said, Soccer, he's not used to being

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Speaker 1: challenge or subjecting himself to anything approaching a critical interview.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to the protests and Tel Aviv

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Speaker 1: in just a minute, because as you said, it is

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Speaker 1: he's not delusional.

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Speaker 4: He knows he's just a shameless liar.

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Speaker 1: He knows how precarious his domestic political situation is. That

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Speaker 1: has driven a lot of his war making decision making,

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: is how precarious his political standing is.

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01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 4: I mean, you have an overwhelming.

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: Majority of Israelis, for a variety of reasons, most of

1524
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: which don't match my discuss with bab nine Yaho, but

1525
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, want early elections and want

1526
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: him gone. So insane and delusional and just a flat

1527
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: out lie to claim otherwise. But let me just also

1528
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: update you on we've been telling you there have been

1529
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: ongoing negotiations about a potential new temporary cease fire. This

1530
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: was the reason the US gave for the most recent

1531
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: blocking of a resolution in favor of a permanent immediate

1532
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 1: cease fires. Oh well, we can't do that because we

1533
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: need to negotiate this other temporary potential ceasefire here's the

1534
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: framework as best we know it that is being worked on.

1535
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how close they are to actually securing

1536
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: this deal, but reportedly the updated US framework includes the

1537
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: release of several hundred Palaestinian prisoners in exchanged the release

1538
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: of thirty five to forty Israeli hostages, including civilian women,

1539
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,879
Speaker 1: female soldiers, men over fifty in hostages in serious medical condition.

1540
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: The number of Palestinian prisoners released for each.

1541
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 4: Of the female.

1542
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: Soldiers will be higher than for the other abductees that

1543
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: will be released at this stage.

1544
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 4: For each hostage.

1545
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: Who is released, Israel will agree to a day of ceasefire,

1546
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: when in total, in the first phase of the deal

1547
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: it will be possible to reach six weeks of ceasefire.

1548
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: The number I saw floated was potentially like sixty days.

1549
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: The US framework includes an initial and limited return of

1550
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: Palestinian citizens to the north of the Gaza Strip that

1551
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: will start during the implementation of this stage of the deal,

1552
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,520
Speaker 1: under conditions that will be defined during the detailed negotiations.

1553
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: Of course, there's next to nothing to go back to

1554
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: in the north of the Gaza Strip, which has been

1555
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: utterly destroyed. The US framework also includes a significant increase

1556
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: in the scope of humanitarian aid that enters Gaza Strip well.

1557
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: Previous frameworks have called for that as well to no avail.

1558
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: We'll get more on that in a moment. And the

1559
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: next phases in the deal that focus on release of

1560
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: soldiers in exchange of bodies were left very general as

1561
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: in the previous framework, So no clue if they are

1562
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: actually close to securing this deal, although there seems to

1563
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: be serious efforts to engage with this framework, although BB

1564
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: also making clear that even if they do agree to

1565
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: something approaching this framework and this temporary cease fire, he's

1566
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: still fully one hundred percent intends to continue the war

1567
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: after that, including going into Rafa, something that the Biden

1568
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: administration has also expressed concerns over, and our own spokespeople

1569
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: and national security advisors like Jake Sullivan have said that

1570
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: they have not received any plan for keeping civilians in

1571
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: Rafa safe. One point three million Palestinians have been pushed

1572
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: into Rafa. Also with regards to, you know, provision of aid,

1573
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: that is where the overwhelming majority of humanitarian aid flows through.

1574
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: You already have people dying of starvation, incredibly desperate circumstances,

1575
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: So that's where we are in terms of this potential

1576
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: hostage deal and BB's intention to continue the war that

1577
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: has already encouraged such an unbelievable cost on Palestinian civilians

1578
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: after that deal's conclusion.

1579
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the hostage deal, I think the major headline

1580
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: out of it really was not only in terms of

1581
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 2: the upcoming rough operation which could be delayed, but it

1582
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: was the unwillingness, at least on the part of the

1583
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: Israeli side, not yet clear really on the Palestinian side,

1584
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: that they're like, this has to be a time limited

1585
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: hostage deal that doesn't leave it open ended. That said,

1586
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: the framework, as you know, what we have first six

1587
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 2: weeks or something like that, we did see a resumption

1588
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 2: of hostilities after the last one.

1589
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: It is certainly possible there could be.

1590
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: Some sort of diplomatic opening though whatever in the interim

1591
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: that would either delay or significantly change because you can

1592
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: just imagine, Crystal, if you have six weeks weeks of

1593
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: you know, no headlines and a change in the diplomatic situation,

1594
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: of a release of the hostage, continuing deteriorating domestic political

1595
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: conditions for bebe inside of Israel, and if they double

1596
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 2: down on their military operation.

1597
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 3: It could change.

1598
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't mean I don't think it's not likely.

1599
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: I think it's probably the most likely course. But if

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01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: there is some sort of framework in general, when the

1601
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: guns stopped firing and there's some sort of release, that's

1602
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: not positive for everybody who's involved.

1603
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only time that there's been significant hostage exchange

1604
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: was in the previous short cease fire. I mean, the

1605
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: people of Gaza, the Palestinians are suffering so so much

1606
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: so you have to cheer for even a temporary ceasefire.

1607
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: But Bbe at least is making it pretty clear right

1608
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: now that he fully intends to go into Rafa. And

1609
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, this also does get to his domestic political standing.

1610
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: Because they haven't come anywhere close to eradicating Hamas, they

1611
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: haven't even been able to take out the top leaders

1612
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 1: that have been on their target list. He has every

1613
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: incentive to hold on to power by continuing this assault

1614
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: on the Gaza strip and going into Rafa.

1615
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 4: So I fully expect that will be the case.

1616
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, as evidence of just what shaky political ground

1617
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: he is in Tel Aviv experiencing some really wild protests

1618
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: and met with a violent police reaction, we.

1619
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: Can Put this on the screen. You can see the.

1620
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: Size of the protests here, the number of people on

1621
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,520
Speaker 1: the streets in Tel Aviv. These are protests directly against

1622
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: net Nyahuo, people who have a variety of criticisms of him,

1623
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 1: also concerns about the failure to secure release of the hostages.

1624
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: You can see some of the police response here, which

1625
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: again very violent, very aggressive. Here you see a water

1626
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: cannon being shot at people. There are some incidents from

1627
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: the police here that are already being investigated, So those

1628
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: are that's a reaction to the protests that are going

1629
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: against Beebe. Now let's take a look at the protests

1630
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: that have been going on now for some time that

1631
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: have been actually very successful at starving the Palestinian people

1632
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,799
Speaker 1: by further blocking AID from going into the Gaza strip.

1633
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. Oh, look at these

1634
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: folks milling around, blowing up a bouncy castle and you know, celebrating, dancing,

1635
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: waving the flag. I don't see that same aggressive response here.

1636
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: And you can see on the screen all of the

1637
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:38,480
Speaker 1: AID trucks that are backed up at this crossing, unable

1638
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: to pass because of these protesters desire to starve Palestinians.

1639
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: More than they're already starving, and make no mistake, they

1640
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: are already starving to death. Of course, it will be

1641
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: the youngest, the weakest, the infirm who's succumb to starvation first.

1642
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: And again, very difficult video to watch, but let's put

1643
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. This is a two month

1644
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: old baby. So this baby was born after October seventh,

1645
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: and here he is. His name is Mahmud Fatu breathing

1646
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: some of his last breaths before dying because of starvation.

1647
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 1: That is the direct result of the US administration's policy

1648
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 1: of unconditional support.

1649
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 4: That is a direct result of bib Natyahu and his government.

1650
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: That is a direct result of those protesters blocking AID

1651
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 1: from getting into the Gaza strip and imposing collective punishment

1652
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: on the entire population, including this baby that never saw

1653
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: a day, that wasn't comprised of this horrifying assault on

1654
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: the people of Gaza.

1655
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrifying.

1656
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 2: The hospital said that he died of acute malnutrition. The

1657
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: reason that really what comes through in terms of the

1658
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: Israeli government is that they loved and you would even

1659
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: notice interviews like, of course we have protests, we're a democracy.

1660
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, dude, but you're spraying those people.

1661
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: In it's called Democracy Square actually in Tel Aviv, of

1662
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: these protesters.

1663
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 3: But then the people who are blocking food trucks you're.

1664
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: Building, you know, you let them have bouncy cans castles.

1665
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: Not only that they're being visited by cabinet members, including

1666
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 2: the Defense Minister of the government. That's disparate treatment of

1667
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 2: people who are protesting. Remember, the official position of the

1668
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 2: government is that those people are not supposed to be there,

1669
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: and the AA trucks are allowed to let in according

1670
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: to their framework negotiated with the United States and with

1671
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 2: the United Nations. And it's like, well, well, okay, if

1672
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: all protesters are treated the same, I actually had no

1673
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: issue with that.

1674
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: But you're not treating all protests is the same.

1675
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: You're selectively allowing some and then selectively suppressing others with

1676
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: the ruining ruling coalition to keep a lid on how

1677
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: unbelievably unpopular were And what's even crazier is what you know,

1678
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: Israeli media is reporting some of the people here who

1679
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: were sprayed and who were in the Democracy Square were

1680
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: the families.

1681
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 3: Of hostages who are being held in Gaza.

1682
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 2: These people look obviously we're all the same and all that,

1683
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 2: but their voices, I would, you know, given the Israeli public,

1684
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: those are some pretty important people.

1685
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 3: We don't spray them in the face.

1686
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: But you know, these pro these pro war like, anti

1687
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: food people who are just allowed total impunity, and that's

1688
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: basically the policy of their government. They're held hostage by

1689
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: the most fringe elements of their society. They're green living

1690
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 2: settlements and all this other stuff. And if you protest

1691
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 2: against it, which again, let's be clear, not a lot not.

1692
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 3: All Israeli support this stuff.

1693
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: I know plenty of them who do not, and would

1694
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 2: cringe and are horrified specifically by the settlements and all

1695
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 2: that in the West Bank. What are they going to

1696
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: do if they take this street so the governments can

1697
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 2: throw their asses in jail and spray them in the

1698
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:42,799
Speaker 2: middle of the square.

1699
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, unreal, That is exactly right.

1700
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: The Washington Post actually had a very good report on

1701
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: those protests, blocking food, blocking the food trucks, the ones

1702
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: with the bouncy castle and the dancing and whatever. And

1703
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,520
Speaker 1: they reported on how you know, there were IDF soldiers

1704
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: present or police president and they just let it continue,

1705
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: let it continue, even as those age rugs are backed up,

1706
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: even as that little baby boy is starving to death,

1707
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: and there are more and more report reports every day

1708
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: of people who are dying of starvation at this point,

1709
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: again as the direct result of all of this. And

1710
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: so you know, you look at things like that, you

1711
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: look at the settlement policy the Biden administration. Oh, they

1712
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: they've put sanctions on four settlers. Oh my gosh. It's

1713
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: an attempt to frame it as it's as if it

1714
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: is the actions of a few fringe extremists versus the

1715
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: explicit policy of this government. And not just this government,

1716
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, the settlements have expanded under

1717
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: every Israeli government since the seventies, every one. So to

1718
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: pretend like this is some fringe project project or it's

1719
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: just coming out of the net Yahoo administration even is

1720
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: really inaccurate. This is the explicit aim of the Israeli

1721
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: government has been for years and years and years, you know,

1722
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: as long.

1723
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 4: As Joe Biden has been in Washington.

1724
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: This has been the policy of the Israeli government, and

1725
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: to tend otherwise is incredibly incredibly dishonest. You know, if

1726
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: the Israelis didn't want those food trucks to be blocked.

1727
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: If they wanted those food trucks to get into those

1728
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: starving gosins, you can damn well bet they would be there.

1729
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean then that's the other thing is

1730
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 2: you have a cabinet minister who openly goes to war

1731
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 2: with his own government and supports these people for protesting.

1732
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 2: It's just a he's an incredibly weak prime minister. Every

1733
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: act of his is weakness, and it's just to bolster

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Speaker 2: his coalition. And you're basically allowing eight to ten percent

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Speaker 2: really of the population to hold hostage the entire country.

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Speaker 3: I honestly, this is an intolerable situation. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how people there.

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Speaker 2: Aren't protesting even more against the government for something like

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Speaker 2: especially if you want to see the hostage release, you

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Speaker 2: should be out there, you know, in major force, which

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Speaker 2: is you know, supposedly allegedly you know what the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of that population actually does believe whenever it comes

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Speaker 2: to this deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the overwhelming bulk of the Israeli population

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Speaker 1: believes very much in this war, thinks it should be

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Speaker 1: incredibly aggressive. When we saw those poles early on saying

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Speaker 1: oh the IDF if anything isn't going far enough, there

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01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: was only I think one point eight percent that said

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Speaker 1: they had gone too far. So we shouldn't delude ourselves

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Speaker 1: about what it is that the population supports. But there

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Speaker 1: is genuine friction with regards specifically to the efforts to

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Speaker 1: secure hostages. At least one poll showed a majority of

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Speaker 1: Israeli's thought that should be the primary goal of the war.

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Speaker 1: And of course what we've seen is that Israel has

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Speaker 1: killed more hostages than they were able to rescue in

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Speaker 1: the course of this offensive, end that the only time

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Speaker 1: that there was significant hostage release was during the ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: That's where the pressure to secure some sort of a

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Speaker 4: deal comes from.

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Speaker 1: And so we'll see if this temporary ceasefire framework that

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01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: the US is pushing rather than a permanent ceasefire, they've

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Speaker 1: decided they want this temporary ceasefire be be very likely

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Speaker 1: to go in.

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Speaker 4: After the conclusion of that.

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Speaker 1: If that is to come to pass, we'll see if

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Speaker 1: that's able to come together.

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Speaker 3: There you go, We'll keep you guys updated.

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Speaker 4: All right, Sagar, are we looking at well?

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Speaker 2: Last week we had a fun segment about Google's Gemini

1770
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: AI image generator. By this point you've probably seen it,

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01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 2: but just so I can have a laugh too. Let's

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Speaker 2: relive that saga. The basics of it are that Google's

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01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 2: AI generator on launch day seemed genuinely incapable of creating

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Speaker 2: an image of a white person, even when it was

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01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 2: actually called for, like with prompts about America's founding fathers

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Speaker 2: Polish soldiers in World War Two, it injects Asian or

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01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: black people into images of what a European family was

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01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 2: supposed to look like. The images took over social media

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01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 2: in a matter of hours. They quickly prompted an apology

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Speaker 2: from Google, whose then halted the product as it updated

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Speaker 2: its software, and even we're shuddering it for some time.

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Speaker 2: This prompts two very important questions. First, how does this happen?

1783
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 2: The second, what are the actual stakes here at play?

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01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: And then, if we accept those steaks, what if anything

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: should be done about it? So I'm going to answer

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Speaker 2: all those. Let's start with the first, how does something

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Speaker 2: like this happen? If you watched our original segment, we

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01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: got in some of the basics that Google is a

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01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: bureaucratic nightmare of an organization infected by political correctness. The

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01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: way that a product like this gets shipped is that

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01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: people are too afraid to say something like hey, why

1792
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 2: can't the image generator produce white people?

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Speaker 3: It would rather embarrass the.

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01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: Company in front of the eyes of the world than

1795
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: flag it internally and face some problems. Quickly after this,

1796
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 2: entire freakis became to light. Videos began to surface of

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01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 2: some talks from Jen jen I. She is an Irish

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Speaker 2: technology executive at Google who heads up the quote Responsible

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Speaker 2: Innovation Team for Artificial Intelligence and is responsible for programming

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Speaker 2: in the social parameters at Google.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to some of her HR philosophy

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Speaker 3: in the past.

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Speaker 19: We do work together day to day to try and

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Speaker 19: advance the technology and understanding around responsible AI.

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Speaker 6: So today I.

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Speaker 19: Won't be speaking as much from the Google perspective, but

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Speaker 19: from my own experience. I have worked at Google for

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Speaker 19: over fourteen years. I've led about six different teas, mostly

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01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 19: in the user research, the user experience area, and now

1810
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Speaker 19: in the ethical user impact area.

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Speaker 11: So I'll be.

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Speaker 19: Sharing some of my learnings from across that time, but

1813
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Speaker 19: also some my failures and challenges. I think it's okay

1814
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,879
Speaker 19: to talk about things that you've made mistakes in because

1815
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 19: we will make mistakes when we're trying to be good allies.

1816
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 19: When we're trying to be anti racists, we will make mistakes.

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Speaker 19: The point is, though, to keep trying to keep educating

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Speaker 19: yourself and getting better.

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Speaker 3: Day to day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, not surprising anti racism DEIHR gobbledygook speech.

1821
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Speaker 3: If you're a right wing internet pundit, most of the analysis.

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Speaker 2: It stops right there. You'll laugh for these woke idiots

1823
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: and you move on. But I would urge others to

1824
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: not think about AI images, which don't really matter all

1825
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: that much, and instead thinking about the lurking assumptions in

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01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 2: the text models that we are missing and what a

1827
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: future with these hanging over our heads will look like.

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01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 2: For that to happen, we have to close our eyes

1829
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: and envision a future. A future of AI does not

1830
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: necessarily mean replacement. It more is an alter of our

1831
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: total interaction with machines. Instead of typing something and respung

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01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: getting response, we may use our voice. Instead of asking

1833
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 2: for a definitive response, we will ask for aggregated recommendations.

1834
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: As we all know, good recommendations are derivative of our

1835
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 2: knowledge base and assumptions programmed in, and.

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Speaker 3: That is where the danger lies.

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Speaker 2: As Brian Chu has deciphered in a substack newsletter from

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01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 2: the New World. The Google paper itself demonstrates the nefarious

1839
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: principles that are programmed into the model. Humans explicitly filter

1840
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 2: data fed into the Gemini to comply with the diversity

1841
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: standards at Google, and quote unquote harm reduction is programmed

1842
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 2: in when the AI is considering questions. Finally, the model

1843
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 2: itself has a rule I'm not kidding where stereotypes should

1844
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 2: be opposed, whether.

1845
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 3: Those stereotypes are true or not.

1846
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 2: So the stereotype rule is that one responsible for generating

1847
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,520
Speaker 2: the ridiculous image, but it demonstrates how dangerous language.

1848
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Speaker 3: Of this type itself is.

1849
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 2: The model is designed for image and techs to do

1850
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,520
Speaker 2: his best to preduce false information, let's say, on racial stereotypes,

1851
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: even if they are literally true, like in the case

1852
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 2: of skin color. You can imagine a myriad other ways

1853
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: that this could manifest itself, for questions around affirmative action,

1854
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 2: test scores, crime statistics, and more. But this is where

1855
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: we reach a crossroads of how do we fix this problem? First,

1856
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: if we accept as a problem I think it is,

1857
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: I think people v allscripe should Yes, the examples I've

1858
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: highlighted are very coded right wing. But you should be

1859
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: terrified of the principle of a future where information presented

1860
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 2: to you as fact is explicitly curated to comply with

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01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 2: political correctness in vogue at the time, especially if these

1862
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 2: are models and systems through which we will solely interact

1863
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 2: with the digital world and which will have a huge

1864
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Speaker 2: impact in teaching our children of the future. Second, if

1865
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Speaker 2: we accept that problem, we have to grapple with the

1866
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: system design itself effectively. What we have here is an

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Speaker 2: AI arms race, the sheer cost of servers.

1868
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Speaker 3: Chips, and staff. Have only the biggest.

1869
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: Players right now that are open AI, which is backed

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Speaker 2: by Microsoft. You have Google, you have Amazon, you have

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Speaker 2: Meta Apple.

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Speaker 3: Sometime in the future.

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Speaker 2: There are multi trillion dollars of money and market cap

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Speaker 2: and investment with little ability right now for startup entries

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01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: to meaningfully enter into the space right now. So if

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01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 2: we accept then that there's this path to fixing this,

1877
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 2: the first preferred solution of the establishment is going to

1878
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 2: make the same mistake that we did when it came

1879
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Speaker 2: to social media. We let massive monopolies arise, and then

1880
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,879
Speaker 2: when the problems began to arise, we created a censorship

1881
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 2: industrial complex, through which the government, the NGOs, and ideology

1882
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 2: individually pressure these companies to censor their enemies.

1883
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 3: The counter argument that comes back, they.

1884
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 2: Say, no, no, no, don't censor us, censor our enemies, and

1885
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: then we enter a natural race to the bottom where

1886
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: government becomes all powerful and it works with just.

1887
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Speaker 3: A few of these entities.

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01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: The other way is to declare now that we should

1889
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: not repeat the same mistake of the past. The way

1890
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: to get there is through decentralization and open source.

1891
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 3: Currently, the reason why quote unquote woke Google, woke.

1892
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: Chat, EPT and all these others are bad is because

1893
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: they are inside a controlled system models that are controlled

1894
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 2: by Sam Altman, CEO of Microsoft. The DEI to turn

1895
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: a team at Google the future AI team at Facebook.

1896
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 3: When you have an open.

1897
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 2: Source version of this, however, none of them are actually

1898
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 2: cutting edge themselves. Open source AI instead would allow for

1899
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 2: these models that become available to everyone, So instead of

1900
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 2: guessing as to whether something is programmed to be bad,

1901
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,799
Speaker 2: you can know by simply looking at the code.

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01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 3: It can be audited, It can then be tweaked by another.

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01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 2: Open source would allow a first principles approach where we

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 2: start from democratic grounds and we would build from there

1905
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 2: rather than allow mass centralization and jockey over who gets

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01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 2: to pressure the oligarchs. It is genuinely vital that we

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01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 2: act soon, or the exact same network effects that took

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01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: place with Facebook and Google in the early days of

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01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 2: the web will happen again with all the attendant massive

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01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 2: social costs. Worst, if the AI optimists are right, it

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Speaker 2: will replace a huge part of our digital life. It

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01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 2: is the same current tech monopolies that will become stronger

1913
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: and more intrusive into our daily life than ever before.

1914
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 2: We will have to play catch up and only further

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Speaker 2: and further get away from the dreams of the early Internet,

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Speaker 2: which was a more connected, a more democratically informed, empowered

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Speaker 2: society rather than a subjugated one. We know what our

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Speaker 2: elites would prefer, which is why we should have to

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01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: take it into our own hands. That's something that I

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time kind of thinking about this Crystal, and.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, we had to put something fun

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Speaker 2: in the show just to give us all a smile.

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Speaker 3: A friend of the show, Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Laron'z, a great journalist of course, probably a great admirer

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Speaker 2: of this program, had a sit down interview with Chaia Raichik.

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Speaker 2: She is the founder and the person who runs the

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Speaker 2: libs of TikTok account on Twitter, previously of TikTok and

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Speaker 2: of social media fame, which of course both of these

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Speaker 2: individuals have become lightning rods on social media. And so

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Speaker 2: there was a great summit between the two which occurred

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Speaker 2: with some interesting moments which I think revealed something about

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Speaker 2: the two of these people who are, for better or worse,

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Speaker 2: central to our online politics debate and all of that.

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Speaker 3: We've pulled some of this.

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Speaker 2: We will be gating some of our reaction for our

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Speaker 2: premium subscribers. So if you want to hear fully what

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Speaker 2: we have to say Breakingpoints dot Com. With all of that,

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Speaker 2: let's watch the video and we'll react on the other side.

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Speaker 15: If you eradicate transgenderism, which I believe you suggested in

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Speaker 15: a post today, I.

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Speaker 11: Never suggested those.

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Speaker 15: Oh okay, you reposted a post that was advocating for that.

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Speaker 15: What would happen to the people that have already medically

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Speaker 15: socially completely transitioned and or leading happy lives.

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Speaker 11: What would happen to them? I mean, what's your plan

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Speaker 11: for that?

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Speaker 15: If transgenderinism doesn't exist, which it seems like you're that's

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Speaker 15: what you believe. What happens to all the people living

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Speaker 15: happy lives as trans people?

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Speaker 20: Well, first of all, the whole trends is it's based

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Speaker 20: on a lot. You can't change your you can't change

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Speaker 20: your gender trunks, okay, But so they could go live

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Speaker 20: their life. I mean, I can't tell someone what to

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Speaker 20: do in their in their house.

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Speaker 11: Sounds like you do want to tell people what to

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Speaker 11: do in their house.

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Speaker 3: I never said that.

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Speaker 15: So you're totally okay with people being trands, just not

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Speaker 15: as long as they're in public.

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Speaker 20: No, I never said that they could. It's the whole

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Speaker 20: thing is based off of a lie. And I think

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Speaker 20: that the fact this lie cannot be mainstream in our

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Speaker 20: in our society.

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Speaker 11: It's just it's a lie. And what harm is it causing?

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Speaker 11: Do you believe? I like the truth?

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Speaker 15: I like truth, right, but I'm saying, what what's the

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Speaker 15: what's the harm of people expressing their gender identity differently

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Speaker 15: than you believe it to be? What?

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Speaker 11: What harm are they causing. Like I said, we are

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Speaker 11: a nation of truth, and I'm I seek the truth.

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Speaker 15: But that's but I'm asking about the harm. What's the harm?

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Speaker 15: You might believe it to be possible.

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Speaker 20: The harm is that there's a lie that is very

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Speaker 20: mainstream as being abouted into every institution.

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Speaker 15: I guess I'm wondering what the material harm is, aside

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Speaker 15: from it's maybe something that you disagree with, is in

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Speaker 15: your version of the truth is different than their version.

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Speaker 11: Of the truth.

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Speaker 15: What is the material harm of them living in their

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Speaker 15: life as a woman or man or gender that you

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Speaker 15: don't have.

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Speaker 20: Not anything that's wrong. Is there a material harm necessarily

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Speaker 20: so there's no harm? I didn't say that.

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Speaker 2: Who Okay, I have a lot to say about this.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny because I think I said this to you.

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Speaker 2: I think that the most midwit like right wing gen

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Speaker 2: Z poster on Twitter could have given a better articulation

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Speaker 2: of the quote unquote case against transgenderism than apparently the

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Speaker 2: lives of TikTok founder could have.

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Speaker 3: It's for a.

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Speaker 2: Person who spends all day aggregating and pushing out all

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Speaker 2: of these videos to not have apparently better formed views

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Speaker 2: about this is genuinely stunning. I don't know what it

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Speaker 2: takes really to make Taylor Lorenz look like intellectual in

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Speaker 2: this entire discussion. So Christal, I don't know. I'm genuinely

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Speaker 2: stunned by this interview. And we watched the full thing

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Speaker 2: just so we're clear. None of that was edited or

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Speaker 2: at least that was put out by them and hasn't

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Speaker 2: been disputed yet, you know, by either of the parties

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Speaker 2: that were involved. So I truly produced these two people

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Speaker 2: deserve each other. That's that's my general take.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for Kya to not be able to, i know,

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Speaker 1: even articulate what her view even is.

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Speaker 3: She keep saying I'm for freedom, It's like, what does

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Speaker 3: that mean?

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Speaker 1: She keeps saying, well, okay, so if you want to

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Speaker 1: eradicate transgenderism, like you you know you liked or reposted

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Speaker 1: I didn't say that, Okay, well do then you're fine

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Speaker 1: with it?

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Speaker 4: If you I didn't say, I mean, so what do

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Speaker 4: you actually even believe?

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Speaker 1: Let's start there, and then you can't articulate the basics

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Speaker 1: of why you believe that. And to your points, Soccer like,

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Speaker 1: this woman is obsessed with trans people.

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Speaker 3: It's like her number one, this is her whole shit.

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Speaker 1: She's doing this all day, every day and apparently won't

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Speaker 1: even fully articulate what her views are, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean so the initial you know, moral outrage panic

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Speaker 1: on the right about transfel was very focused on kids, right,

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Speaker 1: and this was like, what's what's being taught to kids

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Speaker 1: in schools and what procedures that are open to them,

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Speaker 1: and you know, that's that's our focus, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: concerned about. And in the beginning there is a very

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Speaker 1: clear attempt to say grown ups can live your lives,

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Speaker 1: do what you want.

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Speaker 3: And I believe that to be clear.

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Speaker 1: But as things have progressed, now you've got people like

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Speaker 1: the Matt Walsh's of the world and others who know,

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Speaker 1: we also want to impose our view of how you

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Speaker 1: should act out your gender roles on all of the country,

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Speaker 1: including you know, consenting adults just living their lives however

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Speaker 1: they want to live their lives. I think that part

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Speaker 1: of why Kaya has a hard time even saying what

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Speaker 1: she even thinks is she knows that that piece is

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Speaker 1: like very extreme and wildly unpopular with Americans who will

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Speaker 1: instantly have revulsion to you trying to tell an adult

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Speaker 1: how they should be and what they should do, and

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Speaker 1: what decisions they should make in their own lives and

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Speaker 1: with their own bodies. And so she's stumbling over that,

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Speaker 1: and so can't even articulate the basics of our position,

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Speaker 1: let alone how those adults living their lives create any

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Speaker 1: sort of quote unquote material harm to other people in

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Speaker 1: the world. So that's how you end up with this

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Speaker 1: just embarrassing, incoherent display in which and that's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Taylors are not asking a hard questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are the most basic, easy questions.

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Speaker 1: I could explain your philosophy, that's it, basically, and she can't.

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Speaker 4: She can't do it.

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Speaker 3: She keeps asking how the material of harm? That's the

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Speaker 3: easiest question on earth.

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Speaker 2: We could talk clearly about the detransitioners, about people and

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Speaker 2: all of that who have identified as transgender, underwent life

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Speaker 2: altering surgery and then now find themselves in an irreversible position,

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Speaker 2: and they believe they were victims of social ideology.

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Speaker 1: Which is a tiny tiny of the population.

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's a brand new phenomenon. So that's it.

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Speaker 2: And even if it is harm reduction quote unquote, as

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Speaker 2: the Europeans have found, have found that that means that

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Speaker 2: it's not necessarily something that you should just cavalierly come

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Speaker 2: through with.

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Speaker 3: We have a massive explosion of all.

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Speaker 4: Kinds of decisions.

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Speaker 1: I agree that they regret in their lives, and we

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Speaker 1: don't ban them for doing that.

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Speaker 2: I agree, if you were eighteen years old and you

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Speaker 2: want to fundamentally alter your body chemistry, be my guest.

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Speaker 3: Honestly you could do what you want. I don't think

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Speaker 3: tax dollars should pay for it.

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Speaker 2: And if you find yourself, you know, on the other

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Speaker 2: side literally sexually dysfunctional, that's your fault. That's like people

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Speaker 2: will get tattoos and then come to regret them later on.

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Speaker 2: But if you're under the age of eighteen, I think

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Speaker 2: there should be a total and complete.

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Speaker 3: Ban on it now. Also in terms of any.

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Speaker 2: Puberty blockers, I've basically become convinced of that just because

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Speaker 2: of the irreparable harm.

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Speaker 1: Should we've ban puberty blockers for girls who have early

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Speaker 1: onset menstruation. That has been used in that context for decades.

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Speaker 2: That's not to thing that's not the same. But it's

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Speaker 2: being used No, but it's being used for medical first. No,

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Speaker 2: but it's not chemically castrating those.

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Speaker 1: It does have the same irrevocable harm because it's the

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Speaker 1: same chemt okay.

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Speaker 2: But that's a decision that can be made based upon

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Speaker 2: a medical decision, not one based on a social explosion,

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Speaker 2: where we see three hundred thousand years you have.

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Speaker 1: Is more likely to litigate the medical decision gender politicians

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Speaker 1: and kaya reischik or doctors and medical professionals in conjunction

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Speaker 1: with families.

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Speaker 2: I believe that the most of these decisions should remain

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Speaker 2: within the family. When I said it here is that

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Speaker 2: within the context of a social ideology and explosion. For

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Speaker 2: three hundred thousand people now between the ages of thirteen

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Speaker 2: and seventeen identifying as transgender, which has been some one

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Speaker 2: thousand percent increase in the span of just ten years.

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Speaker 2: It is so obviously a social ideology that is coming

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Speaker 2: and being pushed I think by some elements of our society.

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Speaker 1: But you completely discount also though, that there's increased acceptance

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Speaker 1: which can lead to more people.

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Speaker 3: I guess a thousand you think it's one thousand percent.

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Speaker 1: You can also you also are ignoring the fact that

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of people who identify as non binary

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Speaker 1: or transgender don't go through with either the you know,

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Speaker 1: hormonal true any sort of medical treatment, it's just more

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Speaker 1: in how they present to the world, which Hya and

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Speaker 1: others like her seem to have a problem with even that,

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Speaker 1: which was something that in another part of this, Taylor

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Speaker 1: was trying to press her on that piece of like right, well,

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Speaker 1: where do you draw the line? And what if someone says,

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Speaker 1: like the way that you're expressing your womanhood isn't appropriate?

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Speaker 1: Like where do you draw the line on these things?

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Speaker 1: Which is another thing that she just had no answer

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Speaker 1: for us. Again, Hey guys, ready or not, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four is here and we here at breaking points, are

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Speaker 1: already thinking of ways we can up our game for

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Speaker 1: this critical election.

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Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade

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Speaker 3: That is possible.

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Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means

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Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support.

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Speaker 3: But enough with that, we will see you guys later.

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