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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am like Spofford City next to the one and

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Speaker 1: only West Hodkoits were coming to you here from our

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Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. As the Packers moved

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Speaker 1: couple of things to still look back on week one

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Speaker 1: here and the victory over the Chicago Bears in particular,

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Speaker 1: I want to discuss another aspect of this defensive performance

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Speaker 1: that was obviously very, very impressive, one of the best

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Speaker 1: defensive performances start to finish, first quarter to fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: that we've seen in Green Bay in a long time.

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Speaker 1: And I went through my ritual of the film review

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Speaker 1: and my weekly regular season weekly piece what you might

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Speaker 1: have missed for fans who are familiar with it that

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Speaker 1: is now up on packers dot com, and what I

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Speaker 1: examined in this which I didn't realize when I was

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Speaker 1: watching the game from the press box, but with the

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Speaker 1: Bears only converting three out of fifteen third downs, it's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: how did the Packers do this defensively? Three out of fifteen?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a pretty low percentage to hold the

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Speaker 1: mits true, Bisky never saw the same look in terms

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Speaker 1: of pressure package, you know, on a third down passing situation.

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Speaker 1: He never saw the same look. Twice Mike Patton, he'd

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Speaker 1: put six guys up in the front, he'd rush four.

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Speaker 1: He'd put six guys up there, he'd rush five. It

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Speaker 1: was different guys rushing and dropping. One time he puts

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Speaker 1: seven guys up there and rushed only three and two

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Speaker 1: of them got pressure because the Bears offensive line was

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Speaker 1: so discombobulated. Buy it now. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: can play defense this way for sixteen games, Eventually your

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Speaker 1: your bag of tricks kind of runs out, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: But but it was really something to go through the

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Speaker 1: film fifteen third downs for the Bears, And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Mike Patton gave Mr. Drobiski the same look twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, and it's one of those things that when

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Speaker 1: I mean they're throwing a lot of you know, packages

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Speaker 1: multitude of what those packages truly look like. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the one I keep going back to it was they

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Speaker 1: ended up I think either called time out, there's a

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Speaker 1: false start, but it was where they had overloaded on

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Speaker 1: the right side where it was precedent Zadarius Smith both

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Speaker 1: just just looks you're not used to seeing in pressure

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Speaker 1: full gamut of the NFL. And let's be honest, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing you go back to that

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Speaker 1: first news conference that Brian Goodin has had after he

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Speaker 1: talked about all these off season acquisitions that they made,

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Speaker 1: they wanted to put more tools in Mike Petton's toolbox.

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Speaker 1: That was the point of this offseason. That wasn't just

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Speaker 1: high quality free agents from this class, but they wanted

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Speaker 1: guys like Preston and Zadarius Smith who can play in

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Speaker 1: different roles and have that interchangeability. This game was the

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Speaker 1: perfect reflection of that and how you're seeing that into reality.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that stood out to me too. Now

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Speaker 1: that this was a part of your story, but both

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Speaker 1: of those guys basically played every down too. So when

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Speaker 1: you when you ask about whether or not the Packers

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Speaker 1: can stay in those packages. Can Preston Smiths play all

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Speaker 1: but one defensive snap the entire game? I think Sadarius

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Speaker 1: Trabinsky on third downs, they really are gonna they want

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Speaker 1: to follow through a this in those pressure packages. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you want to see what some of those third

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Speaker 1: what you might have missed, pieced their innersplae throughout text

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about how the that Mike zimmer

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Speaker 1: But what was interesting to me and going through this

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Speaker 1: Mr Dubinsky is still a young quarterback. That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: Trubisky did not have a lot of time to throw

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Speaker 1: You've got to be able to beat your man, beat

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Speaker 1: Bears offense. The first thing, as far as the safety

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Speaker 1: a three man never works. Exactly, there was a three

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Speaker 1: Blake Martinez now has six sacks with Mike Petton in

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Speaker 1: is really remarkable how well he's fitting here. And I

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Speaker 1: that next guy up. Certainly the Packers want to establish

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Speaker 1: that player, but on an every down basis when everybody's healthy,

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Speaker 1: And I think plays like that show you why because

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Speaker 1: the one sack that he did have in the game,

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Speaker 1: gotta clean um. He got a clean charge of Trabisky,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a credit to Blake Martinez that

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Speaker 1: what he's able to accomplish there and be effective in

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Speaker 1: definitely worth revisiting. And you've got a story on our

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Speaker 1: easy choice with this one because second year punter J K. Scott,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, when you look at

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Speaker 1: definitely a guy who deserved a game ball and uh

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Speaker 1: and he was. He was featured in your piece. And statistically, boy,

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Speaker 1: what he just especially given the circumstances. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: high nine times in this ballgame. The Packers defense continually

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Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure

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