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Speaker 1: and boy do we have massive breaking news and it's

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Speaker 1: not in the NFL. Unbelievable development on the Damian Lillard front.

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Speaker 1: While I was on the Herd this morning and David Spade,

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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard gets shipped from Portland to the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 1: to join forces with Giannis. It's a multi layered, three

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Speaker 1: I'm not. That being said, there is a lot a

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Speaker 1: we close. I got to give a major shout out

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Speaker 1: to Rob Yesterday's pod. He's like, you know this Damian

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Speaker 1: Portland was working to get Damian Lillard to join forces

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Speaker 1: with Yannis in Milwaukee. Now we'll start with Jannis and

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Speaker 1: And there are some losers, but number one. The big

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Speaker 1: thing here is remember this, folks. NBA stars often get

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Speaker 1: And it didn't appear as if Milwaukee could throw a

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Speaker 1: they had to mortgage a farm. And by the farm,

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Speaker 1: I mean everything. The Milwaukee Bucks right now are basically barren.

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Speaker 2: top five. He's been injured. So yeah, yeah, So that's

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Speaker 2: that's the one thing that's.

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Speaker 1: A lot to Sumu is a suspict rotation plus picks,

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Speaker 1: plus picks, Okay, yeah, plus picks as well.

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Speaker 2: So I think that would probably be the package that

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for if if I'm Portland, and then that

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Speaker 2: Good for him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be fine.

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Speaker 1: He could be your first fourth best player. According to

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Speaker 1: I think people are gonna rush to bet on the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, they're older than Boston. Let me just

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Speaker 1: look at how Boston matches up with them, real quick, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like who guards Giannis. They've they've had some success with

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Speaker 2: You have Brook Lopez who sits up three point line,

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Speaker 2: so like Robert Williams is going to be stretched out there,

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Speaker 2: Guardian Brook Ropez away from the hoop.

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Speaker 1: They did lose Grant Williams. He's now in Dallas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: got Derek White, Derek White, Brown, Tam porzingis Horford coming

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Speaker 1: Robert Williams. I think they're deeper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're definitely more. They have more bodies, for sure,

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Speaker 2: You're right about that. But I just think the the

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Speaker 1: Better than than Boston Stop for sure. Well to Tatum,

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Speaker 1: Turnover machine all right, well, uh, you know the trade

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Speaker 1: All right, best bet? Lions at Packers Thursday night football

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Speaker 1: should be a good one, big divisional matchup. I was

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Speaker 1: under the impression that Bachtiari, Watson, and Jones were all

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Speaker 1: runs like he's got on his back. He's not as

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Speaker 1: much of a thread out of the backfield. You need

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Speaker 1: Jones to be a major factor. Against the Saints, they

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Speaker 1: did nothing without Jones for much of three quarters. Against

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Speaker 1: the Falcons, they could do nothing when it counted in

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Speaker 1: Dobbs is okay, player, you know you got the other kids,

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Speaker 1: what Wicks and whoever the other guy is, Like, I

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Speaker 1: just I don't know if I can trust that unit.

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Speaker 1: But where what I'm betting on here is the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay defense like the Lions defense. The kid branched, the

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Speaker 1: young kid out of Alabama. He's been fantastic all over

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Speaker 1: the field. Hutchison very good. But the rest of the defense,

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Speaker 1: like the linebackers who played exceeded expectations last year, they're

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Speaker 1: very susceptible. So if Jones plays, look at Jones out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield abusing these linebackers on screen passes. Remember

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Speaker 1: he crushed the Bears in Week one on on that

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Speaker 1: long touchdown. I think he had two long screen passes

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Speaker 1: and covered chunk, covered up chunk plays for the Packers.

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Speaker 1: I just I got aside with the Packers here, I'm

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Speaker 1: going la floor. I would look at the nerd. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys remember two years ago, maybe it was you

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Speaker 1: know what it might have been. In year one. I

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Speaker 1: had a group of guys who a buddy of mine,

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Speaker 1: me and my buddy's built a college basketball model, and

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Speaker 1: I got in on some action with him. I talked

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Speaker 1: about it on the podcast. It was fun and they're good.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to go to Vegas with them

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Speaker 1: for the tournament because you know, that's not something that

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Speaker 1: I'm capable of pulling off at this stage. But one

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Speaker 1: want to see what we're doing this week? So they

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Speaker 1: have the packers and the under packers at one and

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Speaker 1: a half. I got one. It's gone up to two

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Speaker 1: at the last I see it as two. Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: that's out of the assumption that no Bactiari, that we're

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Speaker 1: probably not getting Watson and Jones, not that this is

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Speaker 1: just not a big play for me. You know, you

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Speaker 1: guys know obviously on tomorrow's podcast we will go in depth.

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Speaker 1: We have a really good gambling guest lineup. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: love him. Heard him before on the pod and I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I feel irrationally good about a couple games

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Speaker 1: this weekend. I don't know, guys like, this is just

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Speaker 1: not a game I feel like going heavy on. I'll

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Speaker 1: look at Jones props when he comes. If you want

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Speaker 1: to throw a dart for anytime touchdown. You know the

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Speaker 1: kid uh Laporta, the tight end. He has looked really,

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Speaker 1: really good. He had a break breakaway touchdown last week.

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Speaker 1: Young kid. They drafted the second round out of Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Remember they took him, I think ahead of the Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame tight end Mayor, who I loved and I was like,

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Speaker 1: really Laporta and Laporta looks great for the Lions. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be very curious that this is a high usage

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Speaker 1: game for Gibbs Montgomery may play. I have him in fantasy,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not starting him. I'm looking forward to the

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Speaker 1: Jay r Alexander Amara Saint Brown. I hope Alexander shadows him.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking low scoring Dame. This feels to me first

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Speaker 1: to seventeen wins, So I would look at the under

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Speaker 1: and I'll probably be on the Packers. I did already

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Speaker 1: bet them, but I'll be on them heavier once I

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Speaker 1: find out Jones is in, and guys enjoy the game.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. Talk to you then