WEBVTT - The Break_1_15.mp3 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.720 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:07.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:15.440 Cowboys Let's go. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:17.040 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:17.600 Yes? 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:19.440 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:20.280 Absolutely? 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.639 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.840 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.520 right with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris and 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:36.680 Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.560 It is Wednesday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty, 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.120 episode number ninety nine. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.879 The Break. We're Alive from the SWBC Morriage Studios at 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.519 the Star, represented by LGLG is the world's number one 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.800 O led TV brand for eleven years accounting see why 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.000 at LG dot com Forward slash o led evo. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:57.320 How's everybody doing today? 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.560 Good show ninety nine with a Chared doesn't roll to 0:00:59.640 --> 0:00:59.960 the desk? 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.000 Maybeybe for one hundred We. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.480 Get it done. We'll get that done. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:04.080 Oh man. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.440 So much is happening in Cowboys world. A lot has 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.199 happened since the last time we were on the air. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.440 Cowboys have moved on from Mike McCarthy and it was a, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.720 I guess an amicable split where they both agreed that 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.279 this was not the best move for them to stay together, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.480 and I feel like both will land on their feet. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.759 I actually think this is one no situation where everybody 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.319 can be happy at the end of the day, right, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.160 I agree. That being said, let's talk a little bit 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:31.840 about Mike McCarthy in his career here. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:32.840 Uh he had. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.520 He had a forty nine and thirty five record. He 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.760 was one and three in the playoffs. Obviously not great, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.320 but not very different than the last four, five, six 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.600 head coaches for this team. That being said, he was 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.440 He has the fifth best winning percentage of any Cowboys coach. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.760 He was a bit a bit better than Garrett and 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.040 a bit worse than Wade. My first question for you 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.800 guys is if you were kind of putting him in 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.240 a ranking of Cowboys coaches, where would he fall for you? 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.120 M definitely behind the three super Bowl winning coaches. Yep, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.080 I would have to immediately put them put him behind 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:10.680 those three. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:13.760 So Switzer as well. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.799 Yes, yeah, just just for super Bowl reasons. I mean, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.400 it's you want a super Bowl. If you're here one 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.200 year and you want a super Bowl, it's it's still 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.840 in my eyes, I uh, I think Parcels did a 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.080 really good job of flipping this thing around. So maybe 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.960 fifth so better than Wade and Garrett. I would say 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.600 better than Wade and Garrett. I think if if McCarthy 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.440 had as much time as Garrett had, that would have 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:38.760 been proven for sure. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.720 Yeah, you know, I just wish Jerry would have caught 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.800 Bill when Bill was younger. Yeah, you know, and and 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.040 I I mean, I'm I'm gonna say nice things about Bill, 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.480 even though Bill and I, you know, we at the end, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.239 he said enough of you, Brian, bye, leave, and I'm 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:56.160 like cool, I mean, you. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.680 Know, he he it's his that's his deal. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.600 But I wish Jerry would have caught him younger because 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.760 I think things would have I think you could have 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.960 built some because I think Wade and others benefited from that, 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.720 that two thousand and five draft, you know, with where 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.040 and all those I think there's some I think some 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.440 coaches after benefited from that. The way that that kind 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.800 of played out. Like I said, Bill wasn't here enough time, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.000 I mean long enough to really really make the difference. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.520 I think Garrett was here too long. And I would 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.959 like to have seen, like you said, I'd like to 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.680 have seen McCarthy potentially have had the same amount of 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.840 time with that. I think that that, you know, Switzer, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.240 I don't know if I could put Switzer up that high, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.800 you know, I just for where he was. The only 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.800 thing I think with Barry Switzer is the playoff success 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.880 with the Super Bowl. That's the only thing you could 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.720 really say about him. But these other coaches, I mean, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.280 you look at like the playoff opportunities, there's been failure 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.200 in those and so I mean, those guys are all 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.840 the Garretts, the Wade, Philip, those guys. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:01.760 Are kind of all the same. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.800 You know, if you just put them all together, you 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.840 could just make them one guy. And that's kind of 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.720 how you know, some really good regular season success pouring 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.320 the playoffs and ultimately it led to your demise where 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:13.960 you get fired. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.320 So I don't know how to rank those guys. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.000 But like I said, I wish Bill Parcells was a 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.440 younger version of of himself when he came here. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.680 I suppose where he was. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.279 So are you saying you would put McCarthy in the 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.760 mix with Yeah, it wasn't necessarily above or I will 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.839 I think just all one big. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.120 Yeah, it's a terrible way. And you asked a really 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.520 good question. And I and I and I hate when 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.960 I don't give a definite answer. But I can't give 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.600 a definite answer about those guys because I think they 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.680 all had some success. I think I think Wade, I 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.559 think Man check it out. I mean they all three 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.159 had to run and Wade had the first overall seat 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.160 got bounced. Yeah, Garrett had the first overall seat got bounced. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:04:59.760 You know. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:05.080 Uh, McCarthy, second overall seat got bounced. You know those 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.960 are those are those are career defining moments. So I 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.400 really can't put you know, who is the who is 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.400 the best of that? Who is the worst? Because of 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:20.840 all three times, it's it's devastating coaching there. And so 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.960 that's why I kind of habit, you know, habit the 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:24.400 way I do. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.400 Correct me if I'm wrong in case I misheard something 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.400 you said. But I think you said that Garrett was 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.039 here too long. He was like ten years. But then 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.040 with McCarthy, you don't feel like he was here long enough. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.920 So at what point? Yeah, And I'm just asking because 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.640 what is the right amount to give a head coach 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.360 to be able to properly turn things around? You don't 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.400 feel like and I was expecting McCarthy to say here, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.760 but again, when you look at it and you take 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.800 a step back, you're like, oh, damn, five years already went, 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.960 and you miss the greatest opportunity, which was last year 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.400 in that playoff game question against Green Bay. You missed 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.000 the chance that you had. So again, watch the year 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.839 six years. To me, you give him the you know, 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.000 we talked about five years. And the one thing that 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.960 this owner general manager will do, he has patience for 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.080 this stuff. He really does have patience because there's a 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.440 lot of teams out there that will move on from 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:26.800 the coach. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.160 I mean, we've went years, We've got coaches are getting 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.680 fired after one year exactly. So to me, if if 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.680 you give a coach, say six years, I kind of 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.039 feel like you got it's the five plus the one 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.159 to kind of if something is, say something were to 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.360 happen in the five years where there was an injury, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.040 major injury, lose your quarterback, you know, give somebody that 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.280 extra year to make up for a potentially a roster 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.040 that gets wrecked with injury. That's that's kind of why 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.480 I feel like six is that number for me. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.520 But doesn't provide a lot of security for a coach. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.280 And maybe that's why this is this ended up the 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:03.800 way it was. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.479 Yeah, that being said, tell me what would if you 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:08.760 go back and you just kind of put it in 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.920 the microcosm of the entire five years. What was the 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.360 best thing that you liked about what McCarthy did here 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.000 with the Cowboys. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.560 I would say sustained regular season success because I don't 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.920 feel like that was necessarily seen under the past few 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.040 head coaches. I mean, three straight years of twelve and five. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.480 That's an accomplishment, And that's any that at least puts 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.520 you back in the conversation of Okay, they're gonna have 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.600 another chance, so surely they won't blow it here this 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:32.600 time around. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.640 Like how you said that, Yeah, yeah, take it. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.760 But but I think that that's that's an accomplishment in 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.160 it's own right. And and his first season with the 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.520 offense being first and scoring first in total first and 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.520 total offense, I think I think that's an accomplishment, is 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.440 owned right. I liked the sustained regular season success because 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.040 I think you can build on that because you didn't 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.000 necessarily have that, Darren Garrett, you had pockets of regular seasons. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.040 That it almost semed like you was all every other 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.520 year kind of thing for a while with that. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.200 Eight and eight run, and it's just like, oh my goodness, 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.480 you would every other year for a tenant sticks at 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.400 some point, you know. And so I think that's something 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.360 to really build on for this next head coach. And 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.160 I think one of the questions in this next interview 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.280 cycle for the Cowboys should be, Okay, you see these 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.280 three twelve and five seasons we had, how can we 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:14.720 build on this in the postseason? 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.320 And that's where you take it from here. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.560 I think that's going to always be we look back 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.360 on from McCarthy's tenure is that he could not get 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:21.240 it done in the postseason. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.440 Well with me and I haven't had much experience with 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.160 different kinds of head coaches, but something that stood out 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:32.000 and coming out of that twenty twenty year was the 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:38.000 way that he started implementing things to benefit the player's health, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.120 the player's mental health. And that's the topic that came 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.480 about a lot during that twenty twenty year and everything 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.720 that was going on around the world, and he carried 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:51.120 that throughout different programs that he brought into the Cowboys 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.720 facility to help players with whatever they're struggling with and 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.360 I know some people might not care, like, oh whatever, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.920 but that is a very important aspect and I think 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.640 the players really took advantage of that and saw a 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.400 lot of value in that. Now on the other token, 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.080 on the other hand, I do feel looking at this year, 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.200 there was a big lack of discipline in the last 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:20.880 few years as far as all the holding calls penalties 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.240 that we talked about year after year that you didn't 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:28.119 necessarily saw a ton of improvement. I think the discipline 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.520 lacked there. And also when you started talking about this 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.000 previous season, oh, we didn't have a good practice, Well, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.319 what the heck? You're supposed to show up every practice 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.720 and have good practice. That shouldn't even be a topic 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:46.320 of conversation. So things like that that I because he 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.760 is the face the head coach, is the face of 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.000 the team. I put that on him and the way 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.439 he was kind of the leadership around that aspect of things. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.000 But like I said, the mental health thing, and this 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.000 is something people don't talk off them, but I've seen 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.600 it here during the transition. I saw what he was 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.760 before with Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett was great with that too, 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.319 but this he just took it to a different level. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.319 He showed me that Dak Prescott could be an MVP quarterback, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.960 is what he did last year. He gave me some 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.439 hope that if done the right way, if you get 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.640 the right combination of with the line, say you get 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.800 the receivers going, you get a tight end going, that 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.320 your quarterback is capable of playing at a very very 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.640 high level. Did it translate into playoff wins. No, but 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.480 he did show me going forward that like, if done 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.240 the right way, and you're now you're tied to this 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.720 quarterback for at least a couple of years until you 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.880 determine that Okay, it's either going to work, you know, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.600 or you know, like some teams have done with their 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.080 franchise quarterbacks, they've moved on. But he showed me for 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.280 one year that this guy is capable as being one 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.800 of the top quarterbacks in the National Football League. And 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.320 so I don't think that's an accident. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:10:59.959 I think that. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.000 Something that's that's worked with the staff, let's worked with 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:08.560 the player. But they just couldn't capture that this year. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.240 And I think that ultimately is what got him fired. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.480 They couldn't get their offense playing at the level it 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:15.960 was last year. But he did show me that the 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.959 quarterback is capable of playing at a very very high level. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.280 So flip that, what would you what would you like 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:22.440 least about his time here? 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.800 The postseason success. I mean, that's just the one thing 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.520 I could point back to. Getting ready for big games. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.680 I don't feel like this team was ever in a 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.559 position to feel comfortable going into a big game, and 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.880 that that applies to the regular season too. Sure, there 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.360 were some big wins, I think we talked about this 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.880 last week on this show, but the big games and 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.200 the offense not being ready for those big games, and 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.959 then specifically as a play caller, the stagnon offensive play calling. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.640 It was just it was it was mind boggling at times. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.880 And that's that's definitely what I like to least. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.240 You know, I don't think he showed consistency. And you 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.720 talk about play calling, that's last year you saw, you know, offense, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:57.760 Why do you go from being one of the best 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.200 red zone offense, one of the highest scoring offenses, one 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.080 of the most productive offenses in the league, to being 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.599 something that was just near the bottom. Even ever, he 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.959 still had DAK in every single metric category. You were 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.480 near thirty one or thirty two in everything, and you know, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.880 I understand what happened on the defense, you're changing coordinators. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.680 Zimmer at myts that he should have done things differently, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.600 but the offense shouldn't have been that drastically. There should 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.400 not have been this massive dip from one season to 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.559 the next. I think ultimately that's you know, that's something 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.120 that's on Mike McCarthy. Yeah, you showed me Dak could 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.280 be an MVP candidate, But you also showed me though 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.680 your offense is when not you know, not helping that 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:47.240 quarterback that way can be just awful, and it was 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.320 this year. And like I say, I think that cost 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:49.960 him his job. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.280 The play calling I've talked about this hall season long. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:13:00.400 I think the previous season it was successful because you 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.440 still had some carryover of what Kellen Moore and him 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.920 himself were working with and all that. So it still worked. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.640 You still put out numbers. I mean uh, and then 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.959 this year when he him everything that he was doing again, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.240 some of the decisions that were taking. And this is 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.000 from you me looking at it from an outside perspective. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.199 I know that being in it is completely different and 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.440 you're you're looking at things differently, but as a viewer 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.280 a spectator, I just wanted to hit myself in the 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.880 wall and go crazy. I'm like, what is happening? Like, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.760 why are we doing this? Why? So that I hated 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.319 I was not a fan of the play caller. I 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.280 liked him as a head coach, did not like his 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:45.479 play calling abilities. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.000 Okay, so if Mike called you, Mike McCarthy called you 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.280 and said, hey, man, I'm thinking about this job in 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.920 New Orleans. Would you mind writing me a letter of recommendation. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.680 Would you be willing to recommend Mike McCarthy as a 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:00.160 head coach for another NFL team? 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.240 Yeah, yes, I would. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:02.840 Players. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:08.400 Coach has has shown the ability to bounce back from losses. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.920 I think that's something we didn't necessarily see this last year. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.679 But you go back to the previous three seasons. Whenever 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.280 this team lost, he got them ready to go on 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.000 that Monday morning again. I think his schedule is unique. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.760 His practice schedule during the week is certainly unique, but 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.200 I think it benefits the player at the end of 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:28.960 the day and it has them physically prepared on Sundays. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.280 The reason why I say that is because. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.920 Well, it's not a physical team. This last year that's right, 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:32.560 and I guess. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.800 But my point is I don't think it showed up 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.600 necessarily in them being more physical. I don't think it 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.400 showed up necessarily in them being less injury prone. So 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.800 I'm wondering what was the real advantage and benefit of 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.680 all the things he was doing to protect their bodies. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.040 There's no and there's a lot of things I'm critical of, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.320 and we're doing a good job of that right now. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.600 It's not accident though, that on short weeks this team 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:57.800 found ways to win games. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:58.360 Yeah. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.120 I think there's something to that, I really really do. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.320 And whether it's the practice schedule, is this a physical 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:04.880 enough team? 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:05.000 No? 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.400 You can watch in the playoffs right now and say 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.200 they can't be they're not playing like that. They can't 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.680 beat Detroit, they can't beat you know. I mean the 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.760 team that's amazing to me is the Rams. How they 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.480 just start out like one and four every year and 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.440 then kind of figure it out. Yeah, you know, all 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.400 of a sudden they go from being in this man 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.400 they look awful, to my god, I don't want to 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.760 play them. So, you know, and this is where you 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.320 have a difference maker, head coach, This is where your 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.080 head coach can be. I just I feel, like I said, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.920 there's not an accident that he does get short week wins. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.880 There's And the schedule in the NFL now is crazy, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.960 you know, with the way it's played. So but does 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.000 it make your team more physical, more tough? You know 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.440 maybe with this guy, No it doesn't. But you know, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.920 but I would recommend that he does. To Amber's point, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.600 he does have the he does have the ability to 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.120 identify with his team what they need health wise. And 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.920 what's the one thing that we always talk about each week? 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.880 And first thing you open every show with Derek Nick, 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.560 tell me about the injury report. You know, So it's 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.320 always about once we get to the finals and near 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.760 the super Bowl, this team, the final four teams, nobody 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.360 will be hurt. Everybody be good to go and play. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.240 And that's in McCarthy. And last year they were a 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.040 very healthy team. They were the second seat, a very 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.160 healthy team and got bounced. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.840 So, you know, well, and another thing, whether it was 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.040 him or other people and the coaching staff, the fact 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.360 that looking at the season halfway through, everybody was taking 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.320 them out of the playoff runs already and saying they're done, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.040 they're over, and the fact that the team still showed 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.320 up and the players showed up during game day at 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.840 least and went out there and tried and about it. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.480 Like my point is, he didn't lose the team. The 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.000 players were still standing by him, and I think that 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.360 speaks volume, and that's something huge, and it's difficult to 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.560 do sometimes when you're faced in a situation where you 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.120 feel like you can generate points and you get third 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.760 and out, it's old. There goes the defense back out 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.320 on the field. So I think there's value to that 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:09.760 as well. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.600 Can I convince you that these players were all young, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.600 and we're playing for something, playing for more, for contracts, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.359 better contracts, playing for jobs. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.119 But there's also young and dumb too, you know. And 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.720 I mean, and I'm not trying to disrespect anybody, but 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.960 there's also, yes, people that are playing for something. Yeah, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.119 and there's people that I can't care less too, you know, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.480 they they're still getting paid or whatever. The type of 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.040 mindset that I think it could go either way. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.840 And I kind of feel like, yes, they played hard 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.880 for Mike, I think they played harder for them for themselves. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:43.360 I do. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.680 I think that you had a guys like brock Hoffman 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.600 you had Rico Daddle. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:48.680 They're trying to earn. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:49.760 Yeah, they were trying. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.200 Like they have guys like Tolbert who are like there's 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.000 so many questions, Like Nick Harris will write an article 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.919 about Tolbert needs to pick up his game, and Tolbert's like, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.040 I don't read that stuff. I don't think I wrote that, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.440 jal No, no, no, But I'm just what I'm saying. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.600 That's what we talk about it, you know, and they 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.879 hear that, and they see that, and a lot of 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.800 these guys you look at look at Carl Lawson, Carl Lawson, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.320 no gig, no job. All of a sudden spring, you know, 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.160 all of a sudden comes in training camp and we oh, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.720 Carlawson's on say, oh, Carl Lawson is not the same player. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.960 Carl Lawson played in the season like he like he'd 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.560 played at Cincinnati, like he'd been I think a lot 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.320 of these guys that were making one point two million dollars, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.720 one point one million dollars, nine hundred and twenty seven 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.879 thousand dollars said, you know what, this is our chance 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.960 to prove to somebody in this league that are value. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.680 Oh so diggy zuwa, I give I give Zimmer. Those 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.919 guys credit dan Quinn. As much as we love dan Quinn, 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.200 he never got osed to play like this. Hell, he 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.840 didn't get Mozzie Smith to play like this, you know. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.639 So I mean there's something to guys hearing it and 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.600 wanting to go be better. And I think that McCarthy, yes, 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.320 he benefits from it. But I also think there's a group. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.080 There was a group over there that was kind of 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.960 of like, man if I don't play hard, I might 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.680 not get another chance. This might be my one chance. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.240 I think specifically, if you're looking at a job like Chicago, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.159 you saw a lot of quit in that team in 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.080