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Speaker 5: Oh man.
Speaker 8: So much is happening in Cowboys world. A lot has
Speaker 8: happened since the last time we were on the air.
Speaker 8: Cowboys have moved on from Mike McCarthy and it was a,
Speaker 8: I guess an amicable split where they both agreed that
Speaker 8: this was not the best move for them to stay together,
Speaker 8: and I feel like both will land on their feet.
Speaker 8: I actually think this is one no situation where everybody
Speaker 8: can be happy at the end of the day, right,
Speaker 8: I agree. That being said, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 8: about Mike McCarthy in his career here.
Speaker 5: Uh he had.
Speaker 8: He had a forty nine and thirty five record. He
Speaker 8: was one and three in the playoffs. Obviously not great,
Speaker 8: but not very different than the last four, five, six
Speaker 8: head coaches for this team. That being said, he was
Speaker 8: He has the fifth best winning percentage of any Cowboys coach.
Speaker 8: He was a bit a bit better than Garrett and
Speaker 8: a bit worse than Wade. My first question for you
Speaker 8: guys is if you were kind of putting him in
Speaker 8: a ranking of Cowboys coaches, where would he fall for you?
Speaker 2: M definitely behind the three super Bowl winning coaches. Yep,
Speaker 2: I would have to immediately put them put him behind
Speaker 2: those three.
Speaker 5: So Switzer as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, just just for super Bowl reasons. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's you want a super Bowl. If you're here one
Speaker 2: year and you want a super Bowl, it's it's still
Speaker 2: in my eyes, I uh, I think Parcels did a
Speaker 2: really good job of flipping this thing around. So maybe
Speaker 2: fifth so better than Wade and Garrett. I would say
Speaker 2: better than Wade and Garrett. I think if if McCarthy
Speaker 2: had as much time as Garrett had, that would have
Speaker 2: been proven for sure.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I just wish Jerry would have caught
Speaker 10: Bill when Bill was younger. Yeah, you know, and and
Speaker 10: I I mean, I'm I'm gonna say nice things about Bill,
Speaker 10: even though Bill and I, you know, we at the end,
Speaker 10: he said enough of you, Brian, bye, leave, and I'm
Speaker 10: like cool, I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Know, he he it's his that's his deal.
Speaker 10: But I wish Jerry would have caught him younger because
Speaker 10: I think things would have I think you could have
Speaker 10: built some because I think Wade and others benefited from that,
Speaker 10: that two thousand and five draft, you know, with where
Speaker 10: and all those I think there's some I think some
Speaker 10: coaches after benefited from that. The way that that kind
Speaker 10: of played out. Like I said, Bill wasn't here enough time,
Speaker 10: I mean long enough to really really make the difference.
Speaker 10: I think Garrett was here too long. And I would
Speaker 10: like to have seen, like you said, I'd like to
Speaker 10: have seen McCarthy potentially have had the same amount of
Speaker 10: time with that. I think that that, you know, Switzer,
Speaker 10: I don't know if I could put Switzer up that high,
Speaker 10: you know, I just for where he was. The only
Speaker 10: thing I think with Barry Switzer is the playoff success
Speaker 10: with the Super Bowl. That's the only thing you could
Speaker 10: really say about him. But these other coaches, I mean,
Speaker 10: you look at like the playoff opportunities, there's been failure
Speaker 10: in those and so I mean, those guys are all
Speaker 10: the Garretts, the Wade, Philip, those guys.
Speaker 3: Are kind of all the same.
Speaker 10: You know, if you just put them all together, you
Speaker 10: could just make them one guy. And that's kind of
Speaker 10: how you know, some really good regular season success pouring
Speaker 10: the playoffs and ultimately it led to your demise where
Speaker 10: you get fired.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how to rank those guys.
Speaker 10: But like I said, I wish Bill Parcells was a
Speaker 10: younger version of of himself when he came here.
Speaker 3: I suppose where he was.
Speaker 8: So are you saying you would put McCarthy in the
Speaker 8: mix with Yeah, it wasn't necessarily above or I will
Speaker 8: I think just all one big.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a terrible way. And you asked a really
Speaker 10: good question. And I and I and I hate when
Speaker 10: I don't give a definite answer. But I can't give
Speaker 10: a definite answer about those guys because I think they
Speaker 10: all had some success. I think I think Wade, I
Speaker 10: think Man check it out. I mean they all three
Speaker 10: had to run and Wade had the first overall seat
Speaker 10: got bounced. Yeah, Garrett had the first overall seat got bounced.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 10: Uh, McCarthy, second overall seat got bounced. You know those
Speaker 10: are those are those are career defining moments. So I
Speaker 10: really can't put you know, who is the who is
Speaker 10: the best of that? Who is the worst? Because of
Speaker 10: all three times, it's it's devastating coaching there. And so
Speaker 10: that's why I kind of habit, you know, habit the
Speaker 10: way I do.
Speaker 6: Correct me if I'm wrong in case I misheard something
Speaker 6: you said. But I think you said that Garrett was
Speaker 6: here too long. He was like ten years. But then
Speaker 6: with McCarthy, you don't feel like he was here long enough.
Speaker 6: So at what point? Yeah, And I'm just asking because
Speaker 6: what is the right amount to give a head coach
Speaker 6: to be able to properly turn things around? You don't
Speaker 6: feel like and I was expecting McCarthy to say here,
Speaker 6: but again, when you look at it and you take
Speaker 6: a step back, you're like, oh, damn, five years already went,
Speaker 6: and you miss the greatest opportunity, which was last year
Speaker 6: in that playoff game question against Green Bay. You missed
Speaker 6: the chance that you had. So again, watch the year
Speaker 6: six years. To me, you give him the you know,
Speaker 6: we talked about five years. And the one thing that
Speaker 6: this owner general manager will do, he has patience for
Speaker 6: this stuff. He really does have patience because there's a
Speaker 6: lot of teams out there that will move on from
Speaker 6: the coach.
Speaker 10: I mean, we've went years, We've got coaches are getting
Speaker 10: fired after one year exactly. So to me, if if
Speaker 10: you give a coach, say six years, I kind of
Speaker 10: feel like you got it's the five plus the one
Speaker 10: to kind of if something is, say something were to
Speaker 10: happen in the five years where there was an injury,
Speaker 10: major injury, lose your quarterback, you know, give somebody that
Speaker 10: extra year to make up for a potentially a roster
Speaker 10: that gets wrecked with injury. That's that's kind of why
Speaker 10: I feel like six is that number for me.
Speaker 5: But doesn't provide a lot of security for a coach.
Speaker 5: And maybe that's why this is this ended up the
Speaker 5: way it was.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that being said, tell me what would if you
Speaker 8: go back and you just kind of put it in
Speaker 8: the microcosm of the entire five years. What was the
Speaker 8: best thing that you liked about what McCarthy did here
Speaker 8: with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I would say sustained regular season success because I don't
Speaker 2: feel like that was necessarily seen under the past few
Speaker 2: head coaches. I mean, three straight years of twelve and five.
Speaker 2: That's an accomplishment, And that's any that at least puts
Speaker 2: you back in the conversation of Okay, they're gonna have
Speaker 2: another chance, so surely they won't blow it here this
Speaker 2: time around.
Speaker 5: Like how you said that, Yeah, yeah, take it.
Speaker 2: But but I think that that's that's an accomplishment in
Speaker 2: it's own right. And and his first season with the
Speaker 2: offense being first and scoring first in total first and
Speaker 2: total offense, I think I think that's an accomplishment, is
Speaker 2: owned right. I liked the sustained regular season success because
Speaker 2: I think you can build on that because you didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily have that, Darren Garrett, you had pockets of regular seasons.
Speaker 8: That it almost semed like you was all every other
Speaker 8: year kind of thing for a while with that.
Speaker 2: Eight and eight run, and it's just like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: you would every other year for a tenant sticks at
Speaker 2: some point, you know. And so I think that's something
Speaker 2: to really build on for this next head coach. And
Speaker 2: I think one of the questions in this next interview
Speaker 2: cycle for the Cowboys should be, Okay, you see these
Speaker 2: three twelve and five seasons we had, how can we
Speaker 2: build on this in the postseason?
Speaker 9: And that's where you take it from here.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to always be we look back
Speaker 2: on from McCarthy's tenure is that he could not get
Speaker 2: it done in the postseason.
Speaker 6: Well with me and I haven't had much experience with
Speaker 6: different kinds of head coaches, but something that stood out
Speaker 6: and coming out of that twenty twenty year was the
Speaker 6: way that he started implementing things to benefit the player's health,
Speaker 6: the player's mental health. And that's the topic that came
Speaker 6: about a lot during that twenty twenty year and everything
Speaker 6: that was going on around the world, and he carried
Speaker 6: that throughout different programs that he brought into the Cowboys
Speaker 6: facility to help players with whatever they're struggling with and
Speaker 6: I know some people might not care, like, oh whatever,
Speaker 6: but that is a very important aspect and I think
Speaker 6: the players really took advantage of that and saw a
Speaker 6: lot of value in that. Now on the other token,
Speaker 6: on the other hand, I do feel looking at this year,
Speaker 6: there was a big lack of discipline in the last
Speaker 6: few years as far as all the holding calls penalties
Speaker 6: that we talked about year after year that you didn't
Speaker 6: necessarily saw a ton of improvement. I think the discipline
Speaker 6: lacked there. And also when you started talking about this
Speaker 6: previous season, oh, we didn't have a good practice, Well,
Speaker 6: what the heck? You're supposed to show up every practice
Speaker 6: and have good practice. That shouldn't even be a topic
Speaker 6: of conversation. So things like that that I because he
Speaker 6: is the face the head coach, is the face of
Speaker 6: the team. I put that on him and the way
Speaker 6: he was kind of the leadership around that aspect of things.
Speaker 6: But like I said, the mental health thing, and this
Speaker 6: is something people don't talk off them, but I've seen
Speaker 6: it here during the transition. I saw what he was
Speaker 6: before with Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett was great with that too,
Speaker 6: but this he just took it to a different level.
Speaker 10: He showed me that Dak Prescott could be an MVP quarterback,
Speaker 10: is what he did last year. He gave me some
Speaker 10: hope that if done the right way, if you get
Speaker 10: the right combination of with the line, say you get
Speaker 10: the receivers going, you get a tight end going, that
Speaker 10: your quarterback is capable of playing at a very very
Speaker 10: high level. Did it translate into playoff wins. No, but
Speaker 10: he did show me going forward that like, if done
Speaker 10: the right way, and you're now you're tied to this
Speaker 10: quarterback for at least a couple of years until you
Speaker 10: determine that Okay, it's either going to work, you know,
Speaker 10: or you know, like some teams have done with their
Speaker 10: franchise quarterbacks, they've moved on. But he showed me for
Speaker 10: one year that this guy is capable as being one
Speaker 10: of the top quarterbacks in the National Football League. And
Speaker 10: so I don't think that's an accident.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 10: Something that's that's worked with the staff, let's worked with
Speaker 10: the player. But they just couldn't capture that this year.
Speaker 10: And I think that ultimately is what got him fired.
Speaker 10: They couldn't get their offense playing at the level it
Speaker 10: was last year. But he did show me that the
Speaker 10: quarterback is capable of playing at a very very high level.
Speaker 5: So flip that, what would you what would you like
Speaker 5: least about his time here?
Speaker 2: The postseason success. I mean, that's just the one thing
Speaker 2: I could point back to. Getting ready for big games.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like this team was ever in a
Speaker 2: position to feel comfortable going into a big game, and
Speaker 2: that that applies to the regular season too. Sure, there
Speaker 2: were some big wins, I think we talked about this
Speaker 2: last week on this show, but the big games and
Speaker 2: the offense not being ready for those big games, and
Speaker 2: then specifically as a play caller, the stagnon offensive play calling.
Speaker 2: It was just it was it was mind boggling at times.
Speaker 2: And that's that's definitely what I like to least.
Speaker 10: You know, I don't think he showed consistency. And you
Speaker 10: talk about play calling, that's last year you saw, you know, offense,
Speaker 10: Why do you go from being one of the best
Speaker 10: red zone offense, one of the highest scoring offenses, one
Speaker 10: of the most productive offenses in the league, to being
Speaker 10: something that was just near the bottom. Even ever, he
Speaker 10: still had DAK in every single metric category. You were
Speaker 10: near thirty one or thirty two in everything, and you know,
Speaker 10: I understand what happened on the defense, you're changing coordinators.
Speaker 10: Zimmer at myts that he should have done things differently,
Speaker 10: but the offense shouldn't have been that drastically. There should
Speaker 10: not have been this massive dip from one season to
Speaker 10: the next. I think ultimately that's you know, that's something
Speaker 10: that's on Mike McCarthy. Yeah, you showed me Dak could
Speaker 10: be an MVP candidate, But you also showed me though
Speaker 10: your offense is when not you know, not helping that
Speaker 10: quarterback that way can be just awful, and it was
Speaker 10: this year. And like I say, I think that cost
Speaker 10: him his job.
Speaker 6: The play calling I've talked about this hall season long.
Speaker 6: I think the previous season it was successful because you
Speaker 6: still had some carryover of what Kellen Moore and him
Speaker 6: himself were working with and all that. So it still worked.
Speaker 6: You still put out numbers. I mean uh, and then
Speaker 6: this year when he him everything that he was doing again,
Speaker 6: some of the decisions that were taking. And this is
Speaker 6: from you me looking at it from an outside perspective.
Speaker 6: I know that being in it is completely different and
Speaker 6: you're you're looking at things differently, but as a viewer
Speaker 6: a spectator, I just wanted to hit myself in the
Speaker 6: wall and go crazy. I'm like, what is happening? Like,
Speaker 6: why are we doing this? Why? So that I hated
Speaker 6: I was not a fan of the play caller. I
Speaker 6: liked him as a head coach, did not like his
Speaker 6: play calling abilities.
Speaker 8: Okay, so if Mike called you, Mike McCarthy called you
Speaker 8: and said, hey, man, I'm thinking about this job in
Speaker 8: New Orleans. Would you mind writing me a letter of recommendation.
Speaker 8: Would you be willing to recommend Mike McCarthy as a
Speaker 8: head coach for another NFL team?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I would.
Speaker 5: Players.
Speaker 2: Coach has has shown the ability to bounce back from losses.
Speaker 2: I think that's something we didn't necessarily see this last year.
Speaker 2: But you go back to the previous three seasons. Whenever
Speaker 2: this team lost, he got them ready to go on
Speaker 2: that Monday morning again. I think his schedule is unique.
Speaker 2: His practice schedule during the week is certainly unique, but
Speaker 2: I think it benefits the player at the end of
Speaker 2: the day and it has them physically prepared on Sundays.
Speaker 5: The reason why I say that is because.
Speaker 9: Well, it's not a physical team. This last year that's right,
Speaker 9: and I guess.
Speaker 8: But my point is I don't think it showed up
Speaker 8: necessarily in them being more physical. I don't think it
Speaker 8: showed up necessarily in them being less injury prone. So
Speaker 8: I'm wondering what was the real advantage and benefit of
Speaker 8: all the things he was doing to protect their bodies.
Speaker 10: There's no and there's a lot of things I'm critical of,
Speaker 10: and we're doing a good job of that right now.
Speaker 10: It's not accident though, that on short weeks this team
Speaker 10: found ways to win games.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I think there's something to that, I really really do.
Speaker 10: And whether it's the practice schedule, is this a physical
Speaker 10: enough team?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 10: You can watch in the playoffs right now and say
Speaker 10: they can't be they're not playing like that. They can't
Speaker 10: beat Detroit, they can't beat you know. I mean the
Speaker 10: team that's amazing to me is the Rams. How they
Speaker 10: just start out like one and four every year and
Speaker 10: then kind of figure it out. Yeah, you know, all
Speaker 10: of a sudden they go from being in this man
Speaker 10: they look awful, to my god, I don't want to
Speaker 10: play them. So, you know, and this is where you
Speaker 10: have a difference maker, head coach, This is where your
Speaker 10: head coach can be. I just I feel, like I said,
Speaker 10: there's not an accident that he does get short week wins.
Speaker 10: There's And the schedule in the NFL now is crazy,
Speaker 10: you know, with the way it's played. So but does
Speaker 10: it make your team more physical, more tough? You know
Speaker 10: maybe with this guy, No it doesn't. But you know,
Speaker 10: but I would recommend that he does. To Amber's point,
Speaker 10: he does have the he does have the ability to
Speaker 10: identify with his team what they need health wise. And
Speaker 10: what's the one thing that we always talk about each week?
Speaker 10: And first thing you open every show with Derek Nick,
Speaker 10: tell me about the injury report. You know, So it's
Speaker 10: always about once we get to the finals and near
Speaker 10: the super Bowl, this team, the final four teams, nobody
Speaker 10: will be hurt. Everybody be good to go and play.
Speaker 10: And that's in McCarthy. And last year they were a
Speaker 10: very healthy team. They were the second seat, a very
Speaker 10: healthy team and got bounced.
Speaker 6: So, you know, well, and another thing, whether it was
Speaker 6: him or other people and the coaching staff, the fact
Speaker 6: that looking at the season halfway through, everybody was taking
Speaker 6: them out of the playoff runs already and saying they're done,
Speaker 6: they're over, and the fact that the team still showed
Speaker 6: up and the players showed up during game day at
Speaker 6: least and went out there and tried and about it.
Speaker 6: Like my point is, he didn't lose the team. The
Speaker 6: players were still standing by him, and I think that
Speaker 6: speaks volume, and that's something huge, and it's difficult to
Speaker 6: do sometimes when you're faced in a situation where you
Speaker 6: feel like you can generate points and you get third
Speaker 6: and out, it's old. There goes the defense back out
Speaker 6: on the field. So I think there's value to that
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 10: Can I convince you that these players were all young,
Speaker 10: and we're playing for something, playing for more, for contracts,
Speaker 10: better contracts, playing for jobs.
Speaker 6: But there's also young and dumb too, you know. And
Speaker 6: I mean, and I'm not trying to disrespect anybody, but
Speaker 6: there's also, yes, people that are playing for something. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and there's people that I can't care less too, you know,
Speaker 6: they they're still getting paid or whatever. The type of
Speaker 6: mindset that I think it could go either way.
Speaker 10: And I kind of feel like, yes, they played hard
Speaker 10: for Mike, I think they played harder for them for themselves.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 10: I think that you had a guys like brock Hoffman
Speaker 10: you had Rico Daddle.
Speaker 5: They're trying to earn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were trying.
Speaker 10: Like they have guys like Tolbert who are like there's
Speaker 10: so many questions, Like Nick Harris will write an article
Speaker 10: about Tolbert needs to pick up his game, and Tolbert's like,
Speaker 10: I don't read that stuff. I don't think I wrote that,
Speaker 10: jal No, no, no, But I'm just what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: That's what we talk about it, you know, and they
Speaker 10: hear that, and they see that, and a lot of
Speaker 10: these guys you look at look at Carl Lawson, Carl Lawson,
Speaker 10: no gig, no job. All of a sudden spring, you know,
Speaker 10: all of a sudden comes in training camp and we oh,
Speaker 10: Carlawson's on say, oh, Carl Lawson is not the same player.
Speaker 10: Carl Lawson played in the season like he like he'd
Speaker 10: played at Cincinnati, like he'd been I think a lot
Speaker 10: of these guys that were making one point two million dollars,
Speaker 10: one point one million dollars, nine hundred and twenty seven
Speaker 10: thousand dollars said, you know what, this is our chance
Speaker 10: to prove to somebody in this league that are value.
Speaker 10: Oh so diggy zuwa, I give I give Zimmer. Those
Speaker 10: guys credit dan Quinn. As much as we love dan Quinn,
Speaker 10: he never got osed to play like this. Hell, he
Speaker 10: didn't get Mozzie Smith to play like this, you know.
Speaker 10: So I mean there's something to guys hearing it and
Speaker 10: wanting to go be better. And I think that McCarthy, yes,
Speaker 10: he benefits from it. But I also think there's a group.
Speaker 10: There was a group over there that was kind of
Speaker 10: of like, man if I don't play hard, I might
Speaker 10: not get another chance. This might be my one chance.
Speaker 2: I think specifically, if you're looking at a job like Chicago,
Speaker 2: you saw a lot of quit in that team in
Speaker 2: the last few weeks as they went on that double
Speaker 2: digit losing streak. I don't think you ever saw this
Speaker 2: team really quit on Mike. The only time that that
Speaker 2: like popped in my mind was right after Christmas in
Speaker 2: the Eagles game in Philadelphia, just because they looked awful
Speaker 2: that day. Yeah, and then they bounced back the next
Speaker 2: week in Week eighteen, and they fought to the very
Speaker 2: last play in that game. So I think there's something
Speaker 2: to be said in that. And you look back to
Speaker 2: all of McCarthy's teams going back to Green Bay, you didn't.
Speaker 2: You don't really find much quit around around his teams,
Speaker 2: So it depends on much you value that.
Speaker 8: All right, we're going to take our first break when
Speaker 8: we come back. We're gonna look forward, and we're gonna
Speaker 8: talk about what this team needs in a new coach,
Speaker 8: and we're gonna throw out some names. I got a
Speaker 8: list of names that I've broken into five different categories,
Speaker 8: and we'll talk about these players, I mean, these coaches,
Speaker 8: and see where we think this thing will ultimately land.
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Speaker 8: for you guys. What does this team need most in
Speaker 8: a head coach?
Speaker 9: They need someone who knows how to win. They need
Speaker 9: a winner. They need that would've giving me really that?
Speaker 2: I mean, they need a winner. They don't need they
Speaker 2: don't need an experiment. They don't need a former coordinator.
Speaker 8: Who you say, someone who has won before, who has
Speaker 8: won before, who has done the job at at the
Speaker 8: NFL level.
Speaker 2: At the NFL level, And if it's if it's uncomfortable, okay,
Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable, But but do it. I have one candidate
Speaker 2: in my mind as Pete Carroll just because he's won before.
Speaker 2: He in eleven of his final twelve seasons in Seattle
Speaker 2: or winning seasons. Uh, he's gotten to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: You see what that defense was like when whatever he was,
Speaker 2: he was a part of that. I mean, you're interviewing
Speaker 2: a guy like Robert Solid today. Pete Carroll was his
Speaker 2: was his mentor back in Seattle. You talk about Dan
Speaker 2: Quinn a couple of years ago and what he loved
Speaker 2: about you know, what he brought to Dallas. You know
Speaker 2: dan Quinn or excuse me, Pete Carroll is a big
Speaker 2: reason for his success in the NFL. You need a
Speaker 2: winner and and you need a guy who's a proven winner.
Speaker 3: Do you worry about Pete Carroll hiring an offensive coach?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably where they step in and
Speaker 2: and there would have to definitely be some figuring out
Speaker 2: of power structure between between Carol and the Joneses that Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think one of those pieces would have to
Speaker 2: be the Cowboys going and getting.
Speaker 10: The wrong See this is the most important thing that
Speaker 10: he just said, you better get somebody knows how to
Speaker 10: work with the Jones or somebody.
Speaker 3: That's capable of that.
Speaker 10: You know, first off, I mean you could talk about
Speaker 10: walking in there and command the room and respect and
Speaker 10: all that of the players, which I think is very important.
Speaker 10: This is a unique place. Have said it before. You
Speaker 10: better figure out how to work with this front office,
Speaker 10: and you know, you better have You better be ready.
Speaker 10: You're going to be asked your opinion on players. You
Speaker 10: better have your opinion. You better be ready to work.
Speaker 10: You better be ready to you know, you better be
Speaker 10: ready for some of the things. I don't think when
Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy got here that he really knew what he
Speaker 10: was getting into. By the time Mike McCarthy left here,
Speaker 10: I think he clearly understood what he was dealing with.
Speaker 10: And I think they understood what Mike McCarthy was all
Speaker 10: about too. But this is a different, different organization the
Speaker 10: way it operates. So you're going to have to not
Speaker 10: only not only stand in front of that team and
Speaker 10: be a leader, but you're going to have to stand
Speaker 10: in front of this front office and be a leader
Speaker 10: too and be able to work with them. And there's
Speaker 10: going to be some difficult times where you don't think
Speaker 10: it's the right thing to do, but you've got to
Speaker 10: push through. You've got to find a way. So you
Speaker 10: need somebody that's really mentally tough to handle the things
Speaker 10: because it's going to be it's not always going to
Speaker 10: be easy. There's gonna be a lot of scrutiny. You're
Speaker 10: gonna wake up every morning and your job's gonna be
Speaker 10: talked about on national programs. You better be tough when
Speaker 10: you walk in here to be able to handle all
Speaker 10: this because it's a big job. It's a huge job,
Speaker 10: and so if you get the wrong guy in here,
Speaker 10: we're gonna be talking about this in you know, two
Speaker 10: three years that we're gonna do this all over again.
Speaker 10: I like what you're saying about Pete Carroll. I do
Speaker 10: like that. I do have questions though he's always had
Speaker 10: some issues with the offensive staff in some way. There's
Speaker 10: always been some kind of questions with your coordinators and
Speaker 10: how he wanted to operate and the coordinators wanted to
Speaker 10: do this.
Speaker 3: That and the other.
Speaker 10: You've got a lot of money tied up in this offense.
Speaker 10: Your quarterback, your wide receiver. You can't get that wrong.
Speaker 10: You know, you've got to be able to make sure
Speaker 10: that that's going forward, because if you don't, then again
Speaker 10: we're gonna be talking about a new coach in three
Speaker 10: years if you if if that guy doesn't get it done.
Speaker 2: The questions about do you want to get offensive minded
Speaker 2: defensive minded?
Speaker 9: I want a CEO.
Speaker 2: I want a CEO that can just oversee everything and
Speaker 2: you have a different offensive player, different defensive play caller.
Speaker 9: I think that would be.
Speaker 2: When you look at when you look at certain teams
Speaker 2: and how they have performed over the course of the
Speaker 2: last few years.
Speaker 9: You see Andy Reid, you know, and Matt and Aggie having.
Speaker 2: That special relationships in Kansas City, Kyle Shanahan as well
Speaker 2: with with certain offensive guys that he has sure he
Speaker 2: calls plays. But I think there's a I think there's
Speaker 2: a healthy power structure there. I would like to see that.
Speaker 2: I would like to see that here.
Speaker 6: I would I agree with everything you said, actually, as
Speaker 6: far as you'd need listen. I don't have time. I
Speaker 6: don't have patience anymore. One of my favorite words in
Speaker 6: the English I don't know if it's in the dictionary,
Speaker 6: but lolly gay I don't have time for LOLLI guy
Speaker 6: is I don't want to know LOLLI gay up and
Speaker 6: over here, we're getting ready to work and make things happen.
Speaker 6: And for that I need somebody to come in here
Speaker 6: with the kind of experience you just mentioned, because, like
Speaker 6: I said to you, Brian, that question, how much time
Speaker 6: do you give somebody to turn things around? Six years
Speaker 6: is a long time? Six years? How would I be,
Speaker 6: Oh my god, no, this is too Murray how true?
Speaker 2: I wonder how much how much is riding upstairs about
Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, this is this is an important hire,
Speaker 2: this is a really important higher And I Jerry mentioned
Speaker 2: his age whenever the DAK deal was signed right before
Speaker 2: the Cleveland game, and he was like, I want him
Speaker 2: to be the quarterback for the rest of my time here.
Speaker 2: And you would have to think that this head coach
Speaker 2: decision has a lot to do with that same thought process.
Speaker 2: Because you have four years left with Dak, are guaranteed,
Speaker 2: you have four recD You're expected to probably have five
Speaker 2: six with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 9: You want to maximize this window.
Speaker 2: And I wonder how much more pressure is put on
Speaker 2: upstairs on getting this right.
Speaker 6: And the other thing that's that's a trick thing is
Speaker 6: when you start talking about the money and the caps
Speaker 6: out the cap and everything that this off season brings.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have some challenges there with the type of
Speaker 6: players and talent that you have that you're gonna have
Speaker 6: to eat again. It just adds to you, Okay, Now
Speaker 6: you need player development and you can't. Who knows how
Speaker 6: much money you're going to have to spend in free agency.
Speaker 6: So you have to have somebody that can make things
Speaker 6: happen out of what you've got, out of the resources
Speaker 6: that you have. And not everyone can do that kind
Speaker 6: of thing. There's no trial and error. I'm done with
Speaker 6: the trial. Give me the results.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.
Speaker 8: I look at the last three coaches that the Cowboys
Speaker 8: have had, and I think the big departure I want
Speaker 8: to see in this next hire is someone who's a
Speaker 8: little bit who instills a little more toughness and accountability
Speaker 8: in this team. Sure, I look at and I've talked
Speaker 8: about Dan Campbell and how much I love what he
Speaker 8: did in Detroit. I think you fake it till you
Speaker 8: make it. But his message didn't change. He's very clear,
Speaker 8: we're gonna be tough. Even if we lose the game,
Speaker 8: We're gonna win the fight. We did that And I'm
Speaker 8: not saying I want somebody to come in and try
Speaker 8: to be Dan Campbell, but I do want someone who
Speaker 8: thinks it's similar to Parcels Parcels. I remember him talking
Speaker 8: about training when he first got to the Cowboys, and
Speaker 8: he said, something suck with me. He was like, you know,
Speaker 8: the only way he believes that you prepare a team
Speaker 8: for the rigors of the NFL is putting them through
Speaker 8: the rigors of the NFL. You gotta work them hard
Speaker 8: in order to get their bodies prepared.
Speaker 5: To be able to go through what you need to
Speaker 5: go through.
Speaker 8: And that that, to me, is a little bit of
Speaker 8: a departure from the way I think Mike McCarthy looks
Speaker 8: at it. And again I'm not saying one's right or wrong,
Speaker 8: but I think right now with this team needs is
Speaker 8: more of that hard love, more of that We're gonna
Speaker 8: work really, really hard, and we're going to care less
Speaker 8: about taking care of our bodies in that way, and
Speaker 8: we're gonna care more about putting our bodies through the
Speaker 8: riggers to prepare ourselves for being able to handle hard.
Speaker 6: How many, if you had to put a number, like,
Speaker 6: how many coaches are still like that? In this day
Speaker 6: and age, because I feel like things go well but
Speaker 6: continuously change. That would be clear becoming. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't want to call it soft, but just very different
Speaker 6: than what he was years and years ago.
Speaker 5: That's fair.
Speaker 8: What I will say is I look at teams like Detroit,
Speaker 8: I look at teams like Pittsburgh where their coach, I
Speaker 8: think their coach has a very tough mentality. And you
Speaker 8: watch those football teams play and you see the toughness,
Speaker 8: you see the level of physicality that they play with. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and I think it's a reflection of the coach and
Speaker 8: how the coach coaches them.
Speaker 10: The guy in Kansas City, he doesn't sit guys in
Speaker 10: the preseason.
Speaker 3: He's playing football. Play Yeah, he's playing football.
Speaker 10: But he plays football in the preseason, so he could
Speaker 10: sit guys in Week eighteen.
Speaker 3: That's how he kind of looks at it.
Speaker 9: You know, that was very poetic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's wow. That but that's what he does. Yeah.
Speaker 10: There's coaches that, you know, they're coaches that are terrified
Speaker 10: with injury and then ultimately what happens you get injured,
Speaker 10: get it? Yeah, you know, I mean some of the
Speaker 10: you know, Derek brought up about Parcels.
Speaker 3: People. Parcels made being in the training room miserable. He did.
Speaker 3: And you could talk to Britt Brown and Jim Maher
Speaker 3: and those guys.
Speaker 10: Maybe the easiest they've ever had it working here was
Speaker 10: with Bill Parcells because nobody was in there. I mean,
Speaker 10: those players would be banged up, nicked up, whatever.
Speaker 3: They know.
Speaker 10: I ain't going in there. He's gonna walk by and
Speaker 10: see me sitting in this training room and wonder what
Speaker 10: you know. Now, it's a different era, that is.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying going back to it, yeah, but but
Speaker 8: there has to be an in between.
Speaker 3: But there has to be.
Speaker 6: But like we said, that's what I'm that's what I
Speaker 6: meant by that. It's like now the I mean more
Speaker 6: years ago by you started getting away from that and everything.
Speaker 3: Is on Oklahoma drills and all.
Speaker 10: You know, it's not hey, no water breaks or all
Speaker 10: that stuff. It's just literally though, you know, you when
Speaker 10: this team was really really successful under like a Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 10: and it's a different era, they practiced hard, they practiced outside,
Speaker 10: they practiced. There was a lot of things going into that.
Speaker 10: And you know, we don't I don't think there's a
Speaker 10: lot of in the NFL. There's teams that are tough.
Speaker 10: You mentioned some names, the Mike Tomlins, I think the
Speaker 10: guy and I think the guy in Baltimore. You know
Speaker 10: he's been around Zivin. He's built a tough team. Why
Speaker 10: he'll hand the ball to that two hundred and you
Speaker 10: know twenty pound guy and just let him kill you
Speaker 10: with it. So yeah, I think there's a certain mentality
Speaker 10: that you have, and I think under McCarthy you really
Speaker 10: didn't have that.
Speaker 3: You didn't have that toughness.
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Speaker 5: talk some names.
Speaker 8: We'll see what you guys think on some names of
Speaker 8: the people that are being thrown around that could possibly
Speaker 8: end up as the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
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Speaker 8: to do. I got five different categories, and I broke
Speaker 8: down all these different coaches names into these five categories.
Speaker 8: And what we're gonna do is I'm gonna read the
Speaker 8: names from each category. So we'll start with the first category.
Speaker 8: I'll read the names. I want you to tell me
Speaker 8: in that category, who you think could possibly get the
Speaker 8: job and who you would like to get the job.
Speaker 8: All right, now, some of these categories are are gonna
Speaker 8: be like one of them is a wild card category.
Speaker 8: It's wild names. There's probably not a very good likelihood
Speaker 8: that any of those names end up as a head coach.
Speaker 5: But we're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 8: That's the whole beauty of being able to do a
Speaker 8: talk show when you're when you're talking about.
Speaker 9: Stages, there's gonna be some wild names thrown in this mix.
Speaker 3: Exactly all This is probably cowboys exactly all right.
Speaker 8: So let's start and startart with in house candidates Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 8: Al Harris, Brian Schottenheimer, Bones Fossil. Which of those four
Speaker 8: do you like the most to be the next head
Speaker 8: coach and which do you think is most likely to
Speaker 8: be the next head coach.
Speaker 3: I'd like Zimmer and he's most likely.
Speaker 9: I agree. I would love Fossil though. That would be
Speaker 9: a joy. That would be great. Daily press have a
Speaker 9: lot of content from that.
Speaker 2: He'd also feed us as far as like in press commerces,
Speaker 2: like you know, he's.
Speaker 9: He's yeah, man, that would be great.
Speaker 3: Right, take out, take take out your media bias.
Speaker 2: To tell me, I might be throwing a lot of
Speaker 2: media bias around here because we have a stake in
Speaker 2: this too.
Speaker 5: I root for storylines. Brian, for the record, I root
Speaker 5: for storylines.
Speaker 3: I guys don't have to do game shows.
Speaker 6: He's gonna pull him back? Who would pull him back?
Speaker 6: I think there would be so much happening like he would.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's awesome and and just hearing him talk
Speaker 6: about football and the excitement that he brings. I mean
Speaker 6: that would be fun. But I think it would be
Speaker 6: it would get too wild.
Speaker 9: I don't think it's too it would.
Speaker 6: Get too wild.
Speaker 5: It would be fun.
Speaker 9: Like he was like a CEO.
Speaker 2: He still runs special teams, and he already runs the practices.
Speaker 2: I mean he would just be putting a little bit
Speaker 2: more into game planning and things like that. He comes
Speaker 2: from a coaching coaching family. I mean it's not. Yeah.
Speaker 8: The crazy part about that is we've seen unfettered what
Speaker 8: happens in games when he just gets to call whatever
Speaker 8: crazy play he comes up with. If he's the head coach,
Speaker 8: buckle your seat belt is gonna get crazy around here.
Speaker 9: I'm o chaos.
Speaker 6: So I like Mike Zimmer but and I hope this
Speaker 6: doesn't come off as you not being able to have
Speaker 6: a personal life, because you can. But the fact that
Speaker 6: we've heard about the horses and the marriage happening soon
Speaker 6: and all that stuff, that's okay. But I don't know.
Speaker 6: I want somebody locked in.
Speaker 5: You can't have a wife.
Speaker 3: This Wow, she want man?
Speaker 5: That's horrible. Father Mike, that's uns terrible.
Speaker 6: I don't mean it like that. Mental health, your life
Speaker 6: is important. I just like I said earlier, I don't
Speaker 6: have time. I just I want someone like Sean Lee.
Speaker 6: He's focus, he's in, he's locked in, he's here day
Speaker 6: and night. But Ah Harris, that would be I will
Speaker 6: actually love to see him step into an opportunity like that,
Speaker 6: and I think he would do a really good job.
Speaker 8: Actually, Al Harris I think is an interesting name for
Speaker 8: me because I do think. I think he's a leader
Speaker 8: of a leader of men. I think he commands respect.
Speaker 8: I think he would be an interesting candidate. I don't
Speaker 8: know that Dallas would necessarily hire him, just because I
Speaker 8: think Jerry does put a premium on experience.
Speaker 5: As a head coach.
Speaker 8: But that's a guy that I keep I'm going to
Speaker 8: keep my eye on whether he's here or somewhere else,
Speaker 8: because I do.
Speaker 5: Think he has a bright future as a coach.
Speaker 8: All right, let's talk about the next category former NFL
Speaker 8: head coaches. This is where we get into our Pete
Speaker 8: Carroll's we've talked about already, Ron Rivera, John Gruden which
Speaker 8: is an interesting name, Doug Peterson, and Rob A. Sala
Speaker 8: who we heard earlier today is there are reports out
Speaker 8: there at least that he is planning to interview with
Speaker 8: the Cowboys. We haven't gotten any official word on that,
Speaker 8: but that's that's one of the reports.
Speaker 5: That's out there.
Speaker 8: Of that list, which of those guys do you think
Speaker 8: is most likely for the job and which one would
Speaker 8: you want for.
Speaker 2: The job most likely? I would say Doug Peterson. Who
Speaker 2: I would like is Pete Carroll?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 5: Most likely?
Speaker 2: He's got nine years of experience in the NFC East.
Speaker 2: It feels like a safe pick. He's coached with the
Speaker 2: Eagles and that's the team you're trying to beat in
Speaker 2: this division right now. Understands just organizationally, you know a
Speaker 2: lot how that how that place has worked, and his
Speaker 2: nine years coaching there, he's won a Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: his time in Jacksonville's two winning seasons in three years.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Granted this last year was an absolute disaster, but how
Speaker 2: much do you credit that to injuries in Jacksonville as well?
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson just sounds right on the surface, but obviously
Speaker 2: for me, I'd be going Pete.
Speaker 10: Carroll, John Gruden I'd like, and I think Robert Sala has.
Speaker 3: A real opportunity here. So those are my two why.
Speaker 10: I think Robert Sala we talk about being able to
Speaker 10: stand up in front of the room me personally though
Speaker 10: of the names, And I like what you've said about
Speaker 10: Pete Carroll. I think you make a really interesting argument
Speaker 10: about Pete Carroll. I personally would like Robert Sala not
Speaker 10: to be like from being a head coach to being
Speaker 10: a head coach. I think if he were to go,
Speaker 10: and there's a side of me that has this plan
Speaker 10: about maybe that if Robert there's he's talked about being
Speaker 10: a the coordinator at the forty nine ers, but there's
Speaker 10: some other names that are possibly in that mix, and
Speaker 10: I wonder if they would bring him back. Selfishly, I
Speaker 10: would think it about one of these coaches, say if
Speaker 10: it was an offensive guy, say you know, you you
Speaker 10: you brought in here, you had Kellen Moore and you know,
Speaker 10: and Zimmer goes on. You know, maybe if Robert Salad
Speaker 10: doesn't get one of these jobs, that he can come
Speaker 10: back as your defensive coordinator. That's a selfish he's got
Speaker 10: to do in like a double in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am, yeah exactly.
Speaker 10: But I kind of feel like though that that I
Speaker 10: would love John to get the job because I know John.
Speaker 10: I've known John since you know, we were together in
Speaker 10: the league in nineteen ninety two. There's a lot of
Speaker 10: things that John has to get over through his past. Absolutely,
Speaker 10: that's something that's you know, it's it's documented. But I
Speaker 10: feel like he did deserves another chance the uh but
Speaker 10: I would I would say that probably I'd like for him.
Speaker 10: But sala I just feel like though that man. I
Speaker 10: think he really does a good job of relating to players,
Speaker 10: you know, and that that Jets defense was really good.
Speaker 10: They need to figure out the offensive stuff and that's
Speaker 10: where if it was Robert Sala here's the selfish guy.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 10: I know, Dak Prescott really liked working with Doug Nussmeyer.
Speaker 10: You know, he and Doug Nussmeyer like game plan together.
Speaker 10: If I really don't like Kellen Moore. Can I get
Speaker 10: Doug nussmer quarterback coach to be the OC with Robert Sala?
Speaker 3: So now I got my defense fixed.
Speaker 10: See, I'm trying to do a couple of things here
Speaker 10: with these coaches you're gonna get. You're gonna tell me
Speaker 10: about Aaron Glint. I'm gonna tell you why I want
Speaker 10: Aaron Glynn. I'm also gonna tell you why I want
Speaker 10: Mark Burnell as the offensive coordinator. I'm trying to fix
Speaker 10: both things, is what I'm trying to do. So with
Speaker 10: Robert Sala, I think I could fix the defense. But
Speaker 10: if it can I convince somebody.
Speaker 3: That really did Dak Prescott really really likes to be
Speaker 3: my OC? I might, I might. I might do some
Speaker 3: really some good there.
Speaker 6: We can. I'll talk a come someone on their contract.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: Well, we'll get to that. That's another category. Go with
Speaker 8: the names I gave.
Speaker 6: You and give me Okay, yeah, brought out the ruler.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. Okay, I've talked everything that's gonna come
Speaker 6: out of my mouth today. It just sounds terrible. Uh,
Speaker 6: it's gonna sound like I don't want inclusion. And I've
Speaker 6: talked about the age part of what's next.
Speaker 5: I don't want age. Age is the problem. Marriage is
Speaker 5: a problem.
Speaker 6: So Pet Carrol, I would be okay with that. If
Speaker 6: you're telling me the coordinators are are Oh my god,
Speaker 6: okay enough. I want a young offensive coordinator. I want
Speaker 6: someone younger that just brings something different. He can be
Speaker 6: tight ends coach.
Speaker 9: I've just fascinated to his inclusion in this whole ordeal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Hey, we'll get to that. Yeah later, that's another list
Speaker 6: we will per Derek.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just taking it all the time, like we literally
Speaker 5: not Okay.
Speaker 6: No, But I think I think right now, I think
Speaker 6: I'm currently being influenced by what I'm seeing on social
Speaker 6: media and online right now at the moment. Roberts, I
Speaker 6: can't pronounce. It's that Sali slid Solida. He wasn't on
Speaker 6: my radar necessarily and then all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 6: very intrigued by him. But I think, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 6: I think I'm just being influenced by everything that I'm
Speaker 6: currently seeing at the moment because of the news about
Speaker 6: the meeting and everything.
Speaker 2: Twenty and thirty six and four years that just worries me.
Speaker 2: And the best he's ever finished in division is third. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that that would have to be answered.
Speaker 8: I think I like Bryan's idea. If I'm talking to him,
Speaker 8: I'm talking to him because I'm thinking about him also
Speaker 8: as a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'd love to have him come.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm interviewing him as a defensive coordinators when
Speaker 3: we do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, let's look at current NFL coordinators. You've
Speaker 8: got Kellen Moore, Aaron Glenn, Brian Flores, Ben Johnson, Todd Monkin,
Speaker 8: Liam Cohen, and Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 3: And every one of those guys is probably going to
Speaker 3: get a head coaching.
Speaker 9: Job at some point at some point.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Which do you like and which you
Speaker 8: think is most like?
Speaker 2: I would love Aaron Glenn the more I look at
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn and and you know, understand his past and
Speaker 2: understand you know, I'll watch that Pivot episode that he
Speaker 2: did a couple of days ago with.
Speaker 9: Ryan Clark, and he's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a leader of men one hundred percent and
Speaker 2: obviously has experience here only a couple of years, but
Speaker 2: it's experienced here. Who I would think would make most
Speaker 2: sense with the Cowboys, like what I think they would
Speaker 2: go after is Cliff Kingsbury. There's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: respect between the Jones and Kingsbury. Kingsbury would be coming
Speaker 2: back to Texas. It would It would surprise me if
Speaker 2: he doesn't get an interview.
Speaker 10: Glenn on both fronts. For me, I just think that,
Speaker 10: you know, I want him. I think that we talked
Speaker 10: about all the leadership stuff and all that. He's fifty
Speaker 10: two years old too. I think I can grow with
Speaker 10: this guy. And I think he's got a good under
Speaker 10: standing of the places he's been, the coaches he's been with,
Speaker 10: how to handle a room. And I think you'll at
Speaker 10: my self as side of me is looking at Mark
Speaker 10: Burnell Hitt, the quarterback coach at Detroit who's been there
Speaker 10: for four years. I think he's kind of he could
Speaker 10: like he's got ideas. Him and Ben Johnson have worked
Speaker 10: together for a while now. He could bring some of
Speaker 10: those ideas and help you. You know, look what they've
Speaker 10: done with golf and we all gave up on golf
Speaker 10: over there Detroit. Now he's like an MVP type of
Speaker 10: a quarterback. Offense is outstanding. So gimme Glynn.
Speaker 6: On both fronts, no one's convincing to me, Uh, can
Speaker 6: I say the guy I wanted to say that's on
Speaker 6: their contract?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we were going to there's.
Speaker 6: A I thought that separate, No, nobody. I want something
Speaker 6: who's done the job before.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: I I'm not ready to promote people and let them
Speaker 6: be us be the first year as a trial. I
Speaker 6: want someone that has done it before.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I agree with you guys. Aaron Glynn
Speaker 8: for me is the guy I want out of that list.
Speaker 8: But I actually think the guy that's most likely to
Speaker 8: get it out of that list is Kellen Moore.
Speaker 5: I just have a feeling I forgot.
Speaker 8: I know, I know how the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: He's been talked about so much, and.
Speaker 8: And and here's I think that's how Jerry gets over
Speaker 8: the idea that he hasn't been a head coach is
Speaker 8: because he spent so much time here so they know
Speaker 8: him really well.
Speaker 5: It's the Garrett effect, right.
Speaker 8: They know Garrett for so long they could get over
Speaker 8: the fact that he hadn't been a head coach to
Speaker 8: be able to make that higher.
Speaker 10: What has he learned in the last two years since
Speaker 10: he's been gone. That's going to be the key for
Speaker 10: Kellen Moore hacks. Aaron Glenn is going to come in
Speaker 10: and he is going to interview very very well.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 10: He is going to convince Jerry Steven and Will in
Speaker 10: the in the Jones's family that they that he is
Speaker 10: the absolute right guy for this shop. The only thing
Speaker 10: Kellen Moore has on Aaron Glenn is the fact that
Speaker 10: he was here, nothing else.
Speaker 5: I agree. Look, I agree with you.
Speaker 8: I think Aaron Glenn is the best choice out of
Speaker 8: that list, and he'll prove I just don't know if
Speaker 8: they will go that route.
Speaker 10: I think that the Joneses will get the Joneses will
Speaker 10: be blown away by Aaron Glenn interviewing. I don't think
Speaker 10: they'll get blown away by Kellen Moore. Unless Kellen Moore
Speaker 10: has picked up something while he was with the Chargers
Speaker 10: and he was at Philadelphia. Yeah, something has you know,
Speaker 10: fine coach. But I tell you what, did Joneses get
Speaker 10: influenced by people?
Speaker 3: They talk to? Aaron Glenn? I'll tell you what he'll
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: I do know the Joneses have a high affinity for
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, even since his departure since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: But Kellen Moore would have to answer the question of
Speaker 2: can you command a locker room? Can you command a room?
Speaker 3: Can when you will stand up in command?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Talking to that would have to be the question.
Speaker 8: We got a couple more categories college coaches, and that
Speaker 8: would include Deon Sanders, Bill Belichick, Marcus Freeman, Steve Sarkisian
Speaker 8: Lincoln Riley, Lane Kiffen. Any of those guys you think
Speaker 8: are like of those guys, who do you think is
Speaker 8: most likely? And who would you want if you had
Speaker 8: to choose from that list?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 9: Can I do two of most likely?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: Dion obviously already having conversations with Jerry Lane Kiffin as well,
Speaker 2: has experience through his father in this building low buy
Speaker 2: out at Ole Miss. It would not surprise me if
Speaker 2: if there's interest at some point during this process. I
Speaker 2: don't think he gets hired here, but I think there's
Speaker 2: at some point there's going to be interest there. But
Speaker 2: as far as who who I would want from that group, man,
Speaker 2: that's Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 3: Yes, sign me up, Yes, give me Marcus Freeman. On
Speaker 3: both fronts there if.
Speaker 6: You could, there's no way this happened Like Theon's sand,
Speaker 6: There's there's just no way. I this was big. I mean,
Speaker 6: our jobs we would. There would be somebody by the
Speaker 6: way every day.
Speaker 8: If you want to talk about like where my rooting
Speaker 8: interest is, it is, I tell.
Speaker 5: You numbers will go crazy.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 8: And if I tell you I'm rooting for storylines, sign
Speaker 8: me up for Deon Sanders because I just see what
Speaker 8: happens with Colorado.
Speaker 5: And the tension he brings him and Jerry together, Like, oh.
Speaker 6: Man, we would have something going on every day.
Speaker 5: Wow, this would be fun.
Speaker 2: You get a boring okay, here here to do. You
Speaker 2: get a boring candidate, you get a boring head coach,
Speaker 2: but you're like in the NFC championship game in like
Speaker 2: two years, or you get Dionne and you go like
Speaker 2: two and two and Fife.
Speaker 5: No, I want to win, don't get me wrong. But
Speaker 5: that's also my point.
Speaker 8: Like what he did h at at Jackson State, what
Speaker 8: he did at Colorado, he's shown he can go in
Speaker 8: and turn a program around. I don't think the doubt
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are that kind of rebuild, but you saw
Speaker 8: what he did in those two stops.
Speaker 5: In his first two stops.
Speaker 8: He was able to completely transform what they do and
Speaker 8: how well.
Speaker 5: They played football. Right, So he's he's shown you that
Speaker 5: he can do it.
Speaker 8: I would also just love the fact that every day
Speaker 8: the press conferences would be great. Every day you're hearing
Speaker 8: different interesting things from him. And his team would have
Speaker 8: some swagger, they would have some fun. There would be
Speaker 8: things we could do around this building with them that
Speaker 8: would be he gets he gets prime time, like he
Speaker 8: gets what this organization does. In addition to the fact
Speaker 8: he would get I think he would make them win. Please,
Speaker 8: I don't think it happened. I just don't think it happens.
Speaker 8: But I would love for that to win. All right,
Speaker 8: final category, This is our wildcard category. And let me
Speaker 8: preface this by saying, a couple of these names guys
Speaker 8: are currently NFL head coaches. There would have to be
Speaker 8: compensation obviously that now we're talking and so, but there
Speaker 8: are a few names here that I want to give
Speaker 8: out and these are these are wild cards, but worth
Speaker 8: the conversation. Sean Vay, Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, Jason Widden
Speaker 8: high school coach.
Speaker 5: Who do you like? Who do you think is most
Speaker 5: likely out of that list?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Slightly witting just because you don't have to pay anything
Speaker 2: to give him or to you don't have to give
Speaker 2: up anything to get him who I would like Man
Speaker 2: McVeagh here, Yes, yes, yes, Tom, if.
Speaker 8: We can only drink, well, that's because Tom has a
Speaker 8: no trade clause, so that's not an option. And he
Speaker 8: made it clear in his press conference yesterday. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 8: don't waste your time coming to talk because I'm not
Speaker 8: going nowhere.
Speaker 10: So I'll tell you what though. The guy in Minnesota
Speaker 10: he won fourteen games with Sam Darnell.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's emphar.
Speaker 10: I mean when when that entry happened in training camp,
Speaker 10: We're all like, Minnesota done done.
Speaker 3: Watch the Bears, Watch the Bears. Bears are Lions. We
Speaker 3: didn't even think about Minnesota.
Speaker 10: Guy went fourteen games with damn Sam Darnald a quarterback.
Speaker 8: It is no question that he should be the coach
Speaker 8: of the year. In my opinion, nobody did a more
Speaker 8: massful job what he did with what he had.
Speaker 10: I'll tell the guy at Buffalo though, his team was
Speaker 10: like that was a rebuild they were talking about at Buffalo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's got a quarterback. That's the difference. He's
Speaker 5: got a quarterback.
Speaker 8: I mean in Minnesota, they ran out a guy that's
Speaker 8: been a rolling around the NFL, and nobody could find
Speaker 8: a good home for him and he got into the
Speaker 8: fourteen wins.
Speaker 3: Campbell whether he's done with no defenders is also impressive
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Amber, Yes, I think, I mean it would personally,
Speaker 6: I think it would be bringing so much more excitement
Speaker 6: because he's so different then what the Cowboys have had
Speaker 6: around here and McVeigh. He's shown what he can do
Speaker 6: and it would be very exciting to have that type
Speaker 6: of football here with the Cowboys. And I think it
Speaker 6: would just revolutionize and change the whole thing completely. So yes,
Speaker 6: do What is it gonna happen?
Speaker 5: What would you be willing to give up?
Speaker 6: What do I have to give up?
Speaker 5: You got to give up draft picks if you're going
Speaker 5: to get a guy on there?
Speaker 8: Would you give Would you give up a first round
Speaker 8: pick for either one of those head coaches that we
Speaker 8: just mentioned that are currently in the NFL?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, give a first round pick? Yes, actually yes,
Speaker 6: because when have you taken a big chance?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 6: Really, when have you made a big move like that?
Speaker 6: You haven't, So maybe it's time to make a big move.
Speaker 8: But what that what that says to me is if
Speaker 8: you're willing to do that, that means you feel like,
Speaker 8: right now, the Cowboys have the talent they need.
Speaker 3: You know you don't.
Speaker 10: You're gonna give up the first round pick to get
Speaker 10: the coach to get it started, is what you're gonna do.
Speaker 5: And then you're gonna say we're basically in a rebuild.
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly for the fleet for the first year. But
Speaker 10: guess like I said, I would give up Ashton genty
Speaker 10: to get Sean McVay, I'd give.
Speaker 9: Up a first.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they would take only a first.
Speaker 2: I think you'd have to give up like a first,
Speaker 2: and you might have to give up two first. John
Speaker 2: Payton was.
Speaker 5: If they would have lost this last week, and maybe
Speaker 5: you could.
Speaker 2: Sean Payton was a first in a second. So it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know that's gonna yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, happening, happening, But it's fun to think about, right
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