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Speaker 5: How's everybody doing today?

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Speaker 3: Good show ninety nine with a Chared doesn't roll to

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Speaker 3: the desk?

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Speaker 9: Maybeybe for one hundred We.

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Speaker 3: Get it done. We'll get that done.

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Speaker 5: Oh man.

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Speaker 8: So much is happening in Cowboys world. A lot has

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Speaker 8: happened since the last time we were on the air.

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Speaker 8: Cowboys have moved on from Mike McCarthy and it was a,

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Speaker 8: I guess an amicable split where they both agreed that

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Speaker 8: this was not the best move for them to stay together,

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Speaker 8: and I feel like both will land on their feet.

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Speaker 8: I actually think this is one no situation where everybody

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Speaker 8: can be happy at the end of the day, right,

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Speaker 8: I agree. That being said, let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 8: about Mike McCarthy in his career here.

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Speaker 5: Uh he had.

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Speaker 8: He had a forty nine and thirty five record. He

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Speaker 8: was one and three in the playoffs. Obviously not great,

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Speaker 8: but not very different than the last four, five, six

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Speaker 8: head coaches for this team. That being said, he was

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Speaker 8: He has the fifth best winning percentage of any Cowboys coach.

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Speaker 8: He was a bit a bit better than Garrett and

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Speaker 8: a bit worse than Wade. My first question for you

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Speaker 8: guys is if you were kind of putting him in

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Speaker 8: a ranking of Cowboys coaches, where would he fall for you?

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Speaker 2: M definitely behind the three super Bowl winning coaches. Yep,

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Speaker 2: I would have to immediately put them put him behind

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Speaker 5: So Switzer as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, just just for super Bowl reasons. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's you want a super Bowl. If you're here one

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Speaker 2: year and you want a super Bowl, it's it's still

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Speaker 2: in my eyes, I uh, I think Parcels did a

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Speaker 2: fifth so better than Wade and Garrett. I would say

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Speaker 2: better than Wade and Garrett. I think if if McCarthy

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Speaker 2: had as much time as Garrett had, that would have

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Speaker 2: been proven for sure.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I just wish Jerry would have caught

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Speaker 10: Bill when Bill was younger. Yeah, you know, and and

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Speaker 10: I I mean, I'm I'm gonna say nice things about Bill,

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Speaker 10: even though Bill and I, you know, we at the end,

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Speaker 10: he said enough of you, Brian, bye, leave, and I'm

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Speaker 10: like cool, I mean, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, he he it's his that's his deal.

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Speaker 10: But I wish Jerry would have caught him younger because

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Speaker 10: I think things would have I think you could have

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Speaker 10: built some because I think Wade and others benefited from that,

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Speaker 10: that two thousand and five draft, you know, with where

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Speaker 10: of played out. Like I said, Bill wasn't here enough time,

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Speaker 10: I think Garrett was here too long. And I would

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Speaker 10: you know, I just for where he was. The only

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Speaker 10: you look at like the playoff opportunities, there's been failure

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Speaker 3: Are kind of all the same.

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Speaker 10: You know, if you just put them all together, you

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Speaker 3: So I don't know how to rank those guys.

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Speaker 10: But like I said, I wish Bill Parcells was a

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Speaker 10: younger version of of himself when he came here.

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Speaker 3: I suppose where he was.

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Speaker 8: So are you saying you would put McCarthy in the

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Speaker 8: mix with Yeah, it wasn't necessarily above or I will

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a terrible way. And you asked a really

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Speaker 10: good question. And I and I and I hate when

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Speaker 10: I don't give a definite answer. But I can't give

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 10: Uh, McCarthy, second overall seat got bounced. You know those

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Speaker 10: are those are those are career defining moments. So I

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Speaker 10: really can't put you know, who is the who is

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Speaker 10: all three times, it's it's devastating coaching there. And so

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Speaker 10: that's why I kind of habit, you know, habit the

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Speaker 6: Correct me if I'm wrong in case I misheard something

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Speaker 6: you said. But I think you said that Garrett was

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Speaker 6: here too long. He was like ten years. But then

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Speaker 6: with McCarthy, you don't feel like he was here long enough.

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Speaker 6: So at what point? Yeah, And I'm just asking because

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Speaker 6: feel like and I was expecting McCarthy to say here,

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Speaker 6: but again, when you look at it and you take

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Speaker 6: and you miss the greatest opportunity, which was last year

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Speaker 10: I mean, we've went years, We've got coaches are getting

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Speaker 10: I feel like six is that number for me.

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Speaker 5: But doesn't provide a lot of security for a coach.

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Speaker 5: And maybe that's why this is this ended up the

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that being said, tell me what would if you

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Speaker 8: the microcosm of the entire five years. What was the

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Speaker 8: best thing that you liked about what McCarthy did here

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Speaker 2: I would say sustained regular season success because I don't

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Speaker 2: That's an accomplishment, And that's any that at least puts

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Speaker 2: another chance, so surely they won't blow it here this

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Speaker 5: Like how you said that, Yeah, yeah, take it.

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Speaker 2: But but I think that that's that's an accomplishment in

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Speaker 2: owned right. I liked the sustained regular season success because

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Speaker 2: I think you can build on that because you didn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily have that, Darren Garrett, you had pockets of regular seasons.

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Speaker 8: That it almost semed like you was all every other

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Speaker 2: Eight and eight run, and it's just like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: I think one of the questions in this next interview

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Speaker 2: three twelve and five seasons we had, how can we

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Speaker 9: And that's where you take it from here.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to always be we look back

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Speaker 6: Well with me and I haven't had much experience with

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Speaker 6: way that he started implementing things to benefit the player's health,

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Speaker 6: the player's mental health. And that's the topic that came

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Speaker 6: I know some people might not care, like, oh whatever,

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Speaker 6: and have good practice. That shouldn't even be a topic

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Speaker 6: But like I said, the mental health thing, and this

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Speaker 10: He showed me that Dak Prescott could be an MVP quarterback,

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Speaker 10: is what he did last year. He gave me some

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Speaker 10: high level. Did it translate into playoff wins. No, but

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Speaker 10: determine that Okay, it's either going to work, you know,

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Speaker 5: So flip that, what would you what would you like

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Speaker 2: The postseason success. I mean, that's just the one thing

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Speaker 6: The play calling I've talked about this hall season long.

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Speaker 8: Okay, so if Mike called you, Mike McCarthy called you

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Speaker 8: Would you be willing to recommend Mike McCarthy as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I would.

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Speaker 5: Players.

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Speaker 2: Coach has has shown the ability to bounce back from losses.

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Speaker 2: I think that's something we didn't necessarily see this last year.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's not a physical team. This last year that's right,

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Speaker 10: There's no and there's a lot of things I'm critical of,

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Speaker 10: It's not accident though, that on short weeks this team

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Speaker 10: I think there's something to that, I really really do.

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Speaker 10: And whether it's the practice schedule, is this a physical

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Speaker 10: You can watch in the playoffs right now and say

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Speaker 10: There's And the schedule in the NFL now is crazy,

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Speaker 6: So, you know, well, and another thing, whether it was

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Speaker 6: Like my point is, he didn't lose the team. The

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Speaker 10: Can I convince you that these players were all young,

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Speaker 10: And I kind of feel like, yes, they played hard

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Speaker 5: They're trying to earn.

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Speaker 10: That's what we talk about it, you know, and they

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Speaker 10: Oh so diggy zuwa, I give I give Zimmer. Those

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Speaker 8: for you guys. What does this team need most in

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Speaker 8: a head coach?

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Speaker 9: They need someone who knows how to win. They need

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Speaker 9: a winner. They need that would've giving me really that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they need a winner. They don't need they

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Speaker 2: don't need an experiment. They don't need a former coordinator.

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Speaker 8: Who you say, someone who has won before, who has

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Speaker 8: won before, who has done the job at at the

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Speaker 8: NFL level.

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Speaker 2: At the NFL level, And if it's if it's uncomfortable, okay,

496
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Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable, But but do it. I have one candidate

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Speaker 2: in my mind as Pete Carroll just because he's won before.

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Speaker 2: He in eleven of his final twelve seasons in Seattle

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Speaker 2: or winning seasons. Uh, he's gotten to a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You see what that defense was like when whatever he was,

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Speaker 2: he was a part of that. I mean, you're interviewing

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Speaker 2: a guy like Robert Solid today. Pete Carroll was his

503
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Speaker 2: was his mentor back in Seattle. You talk about Dan

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Speaker 2: Quinn a couple of years ago and what he loved

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Speaker 2: about you know, what he brought to Dallas. You know

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Speaker 2: dan Quinn or excuse me, Pete Carroll is a big

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Speaker 2: reason for his success in the NFL. You need a

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Speaker 2: winner and and you need a guy who's a proven winner.

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Speaker 3: Do you worry about Pete Carroll hiring an offensive coach?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's probably where they step in and

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Speaker 2: and there would have to definitely be some figuring out

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Speaker 2: of power structure between between Carol and the Joneses that Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think one of those pieces would have to

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Speaker 2: be the Cowboys going and getting.

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Speaker 10: The wrong See this is the most important thing that

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Speaker 10: he just said, you better get somebody knows how to

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Speaker 10: work with the Jones or somebody.

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Speaker 3: That's capable of that.

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Speaker 10: You know, first off, I mean you could talk about

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Speaker 10: walking in there and command the room and respect and

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Speaker 10: all that of the players, which I think is very important.

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Speaker 10: This is a unique place. Have said it before. You

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Speaker 10: better figure out how to work with this front office,

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Speaker 10: and you know, you better have You better be ready.

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Speaker 10: You're going to be asked your opinion on players. You

527
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Speaker 10: better have your opinion. You better be ready to work.

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Speaker 10: You better be ready to you know, you better be

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Speaker 10: ready for some of the things. I don't think when

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Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy got here that he really knew what he

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Speaker 10: was getting into. By the time Mike McCarthy left here,

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Speaker 10: I think he clearly understood what he was dealing with.

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Speaker 10: And I think they understood what Mike McCarthy was all

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Speaker 10: about too. But this is a different, different organization the

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Speaker 10: way it operates. So you're going to have to not

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Speaker 10: only not only stand in front of that team and

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Speaker 10: be a leader, but you're going to have to stand

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Speaker 10: in front of this front office and be a leader

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Speaker 10: too and be able to work with them. And there's

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Speaker 10: going to be some difficult times where you don't think

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Speaker 10: it's the right thing to do, but you've got to

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Speaker 10: push through. You've got to find a way. So you

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Speaker 10: need somebody that's really mentally tough to handle the things

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Speaker 10: because it's going to be it's not always going to

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Speaker 10: be easy. There's gonna be a lot of scrutiny. You're

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Speaker 10: gonna wake up every morning and your job's gonna be

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Speaker 10: talked about on national programs. You better be tough when

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Speaker 10: you walk in here to be able to handle all

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Speaker 10: this because it's a big job. It's a huge job,

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Speaker 10: and so if you get the wrong guy in here,

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Speaker 10: we're gonna be talking about this in you know, two

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Speaker 10: three years that we're gonna do this all over again.

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Speaker 10: I like what you're saying about Pete Carroll. I do

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Speaker 10: like that. I do have questions though he's always had

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Speaker 10: some issues with the offensive staff in some way. There's

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Speaker 10: always been some kind of questions with your coordinators and

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Speaker 10: how he wanted to operate and the coordinators wanted to

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Speaker 10: do this.

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Speaker 3: That and the other.

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Speaker 10: You've got a lot of money tied up in this offense.

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Speaker 10: Your quarterback, your wide receiver. You can't get that wrong.

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Speaker 10: You know, you've got to be able to make sure

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Speaker 10: that that's going forward, because if you don't, then again

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Speaker 10: we're gonna be talking about a new coach in three

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Speaker 10: years if you if if that guy doesn't get it done.

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Speaker 2: The questions about do you want to get offensive minded

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Speaker 2: defensive minded?

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Speaker 9: I want a CEO.

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Speaker 2: I want a CEO that can just oversee everything and

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Speaker 2: you have a different offensive player, different defensive play caller.

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Speaker 9: I think that would be.

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Speaker 2: When you look at when you look at certain teams

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Speaker 2: and how they have performed over the course of the

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Speaker 2: last few years.

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Speaker 9: You see Andy Reid, you know, and Matt and Aggie having.

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Speaker 2: That special relationships in Kansas City, Kyle Shanahan as well

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Speaker 2: with with certain offensive guys that he has sure he

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Speaker 2: calls plays. But I think there's a I think there's

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Speaker 2: a healthy power structure there. I would like to see that.

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Speaker 2: I would like to see that here.

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Speaker 6: I would I agree with everything you said, actually, as

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Speaker 6: over here, we're getting ready to work and make things happen.

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Speaker 6: And for that I need somebody to come in here

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Speaker 6: with the kind of experience you just mentioned, because, like

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Speaker 6: I said to you, Brian, that question, how much time

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Speaker 6: do you give somebody to turn things around? Six years

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Speaker 6: is a long time? Six years? How would I be,

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, no, this is too Murray how true?

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much how much is riding upstairs about

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Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, this is this is an important hire,

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Speaker 2: this is a really important higher And I Jerry mentioned

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Speaker 2: his age whenever the DAK deal was signed right before

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland game, and he was like, I want him

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Speaker 2: to be the quarterback for the rest of my time here.

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Speaker 2: And you would have to think that this head coach

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Speaker 2: decision has a lot to do with that same thought process.

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Speaker 2: Because you have four years left with Dak, are guaranteed,

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Speaker 2: you have four recD You're expected to probably have five

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Speaker 2: six with Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 9: You want to maximize this window.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder how much more pressure is put on

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Speaker 2: upstairs on getting this right.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing that's that's a trick thing is

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Speaker 6: when you start talking about the money and the caps

610
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Speaker 6: out the cap and everything that this off season brings.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna have some challenges there with the type of

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Speaker 6: players and talent that you have that you're gonna have

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Speaker 6: to eat again. It just adds to you, Okay, Now

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Speaker 6: you need player development and you can't. Who knows how

615
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Speaker 6: much money you're going to have to spend in free agency.

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Speaker 6: So you have to have somebody that can make things

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Speaker 6: happen out of what you've got, out of the resources

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Speaker 6: that you have. And not everyone can do that kind

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Speaker 6: of thing. There's no trial and error. I'm done with

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Speaker 6: the trial. Give me the results.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 8: I look at the last three coaches that the Cowboys

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Speaker 8: have had, and I think the big departure I want

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Speaker 8: to see in this next hire is someone who's a

625
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Speaker 8: little bit who instills a little more toughness and accountability

626
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Speaker 8: in this team. Sure, I look at and I've talked

627
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Speaker 8: about Dan Campbell and how much I love what he

628
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Speaker 8: did in Detroit. I think you fake it till you

629
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Speaker 8: make it. But his message didn't change. He's very clear,

630
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Speaker 8: we're gonna be tough. Even if we lose the game,

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Speaker 8: We're gonna win the fight. We did that And I'm

632
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Speaker 8: not saying I want somebody to come in and try

633
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Speaker 8: to be Dan Campbell, but I do want someone who

634
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Speaker 8: thinks it's similar to Parcels Parcels. I remember him talking

635
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Speaker 8: about training when he first got to the Cowboys, and

636
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Speaker 8: he said, something suck with me. He was like, you know,

637
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Speaker 8: the only way he believes that you prepare a team

638
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Speaker 8: for the rigors of the NFL is putting them through

639
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Speaker 8: the rigors of the NFL. You gotta work them hard

640
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Speaker 8: in order to get their bodies prepared.

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Speaker 5: To be able to go through what you need to

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Speaker 5: go through.

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Speaker 8: And that that, to me, is a little bit of

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Speaker 8: a departure from the way I think Mike McCarthy looks

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Speaker 8: at it. And again I'm not saying one's right or wrong,

646
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Speaker 8: but I think right now with this team needs is

647
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Speaker 8: more of that hard love, more of that We're gonna

648
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Speaker 8: work really, really hard, and we're going to care less

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Speaker 8: about taking care of our bodies in that way, and

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Speaker 8: we're gonna care more about putting our bodies through the

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Speaker 8: riggers to prepare ourselves for being able to handle hard.

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Speaker 6: How many, if you had to put a number, like,

653
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Speaker 6: how many coaches are still like that? In this day

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Speaker 6: and age, because I feel like things go well but

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Speaker 6: continuously change. That would be clear becoming. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: don't want to call it soft, but just very different

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Speaker 6: than what he was years and years ago.

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Speaker 5: That's fair.

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Speaker 8: What I will say is I look at teams like Detroit,

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Speaker 8: I look at teams like Pittsburgh where their coach, I

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Speaker 8: think their coach has a very tough mentality. And you

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Speaker 8: watch those football teams play and you see the toughness,

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Speaker 8: you see the level of physicality that they play with. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and I think it's a reflection of the coach and

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Speaker 8: how the coach coaches them.

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Speaker 10: The guy in Kansas City, he doesn't sit guys in

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Speaker 10: the preseason.

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Speaker 3: He's playing football. Play Yeah, he's playing football.

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Speaker 10: But he plays football in the preseason, so he could

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Speaker 10: sit guys in Week eighteen.

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Speaker 3: That's how he kind of looks at it.

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Speaker 9: You know, that was very poetic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's wow. That but that's what he does. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: There's coaches that, you know, they're coaches that are terrified

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Speaker 10: with injury and then ultimately what happens you get injured,

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Speaker 10: get it? Yeah, you know, I mean some of the

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Speaker 10: you know, Derek brought up about Parcels.

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Speaker 3: People. Parcels made being in the training room miserable. He did.

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Speaker 3: And you could talk to Britt Brown and Jim Maher

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Speaker 10: Maybe the easiest they've ever had it working here was

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Speaker 10: with Bill Parcells because nobody was in there. I mean,

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Speaker 10: those players would be banged up, nicked up, whatever.

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Speaker 3: They know.

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Speaker 10: I ain't going in there. He's gonna walk by and

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Speaker 10: see me sitting in this training room and wonder what

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Speaker 10: you know. Now, it's a different era, that is.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying going back to it, yeah, but but

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Speaker 8: there has to be an in between.

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Speaker 3: But there has to be.

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Speaker 6: But like we said, that's what I'm that's what I

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Speaker 6: meant by that. It's like now the I mean more

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Speaker 6: years ago by you started getting away from that and everything.

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Speaker 3: Is on Oklahoma drills and all.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's not hey, no water breaks or all

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Speaker 10: that stuff. It's just literally though, you know, you when

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Speaker 10: this team was really really successful under like a Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 10: and it's a different era, they practiced hard, they practiced outside,

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Speaker 10: they practiced. There was a lot of things going into that.

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Speaker 10: And you know, we don't I don't think there's a

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Speaker 10: lot of in the NFL. There's teams that are tough.

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Speaker 10: You mentioned some names, the Mike Tomlins, I think the

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Speaker 10: he's been around Zivin. He's built a tough team. Why

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Speaker 10: with it. So yeah, I think there's a certain mentality

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Speaker 3: You didn't have that toughness.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna take our final break. We'll come back. Let's

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Speaker 5: talk some names.

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Speaker 8: We'll see what you guys think on some names of

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Speaker 8: to do. I got five different categories, and I broke

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Speaker 8: down all these different coaches names into these five categories.

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Speaker 8: And what we're gonna do is I'm gonna read the

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Speaker 8: names from each category. So we'll start with the first category.

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Speaker 8: I'll read the names. I want you to tell me

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Speaker 8: in that category, who you think could possibly get the

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Speaker 8: All right, now, some of these categories are are gonna

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Speaker 8: be like one of them is a wild card category.

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Speaker 8: It's wild names. There's probably not a very good likelihood

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Speaker 5: But we're gonna have some fun.

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Speaker 8: That's the whole beauty of being able to do a

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Speaker 8: talk show when you're when you're talking about.

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Speaker 9: Stages, there's gonna be some wild names thrown in this mix.

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Speaker 3: Exactly all This is probably cowboys exactly all right.

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Speaker 8: So let's start and startart with in house candidates Mike Zimmer,

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Speaker 8: Al Harris, Brian Schottenheimer, Bones Fossil. Which of those four

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Speaker 8: do you like the most to be the next head

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Speaker 8: coach and which do you think is most likely to

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Speaker 8: be the next head coach.

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Speaker 3: I'd like Zimmer and he's most likely.

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Speaker 9: I agree. I would love Fossil though. That would be

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Speaker 9: a joy. That would be great. Daily press have a

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Speaker 9: lot of content from that.

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Speaker 2: He'd also feed us as far as like in press commerces,

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Speaker 2: like you know, he's.

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Speaker 9: He's yeah, man, that would be great.

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Speaker 3: Right, take out, take take out your media bias.

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Speaker 2: To tell me, I might be throwing a lot of

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Speaker 2: media bias around here because we have a stake in

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Speaker 2: this too.

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Speaker 5: I root for storylines. Brian, for the record, I root

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Speaker 5: for storylines.

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Speaker 3: I guys don't have to do game shows.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna pull him back? Who would pull him back?

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Speaker 6: I think there would be so much happening like he would.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's awesome and and just hearing him talk

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Speaker 6: about football and the excitement that he brings. I mean

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Speaker 6: that would be fun. But I think it would be

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Speaker 6: it would get too wild.

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Speaker 9: I don't think it's too it would.

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Speaker 6: Get too wild.

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Speaker 5: It would be fun.

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Speaker 9: Like he was like a CEO.

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Speaker 2: He still runs special teams, and he already runs the practices.

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Speaker 2: I mean he would just be putting a little bit

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Speaker 2: more into game planning and things like that. He comes

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Speaker 2: from a coaching coaching family. I mean it's not. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The crazy part about that is we've seen unfettered what

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Speaker 8: happens in games when he just gets to call whatever

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Speaker 8: crazy play he comes up with. If he's the head coach,

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Speaker 8: buckle your seat belt is gonna get crazy around here.

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Speaker 9: I'm o chaos.

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Speaker 6: So I like Mike Zimmer but and I hope this

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Speaker 6: doesn't come off as you not being able to have

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Speaker 6: a personal life, because you can. But the fact that

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Speaker 6: we've heard about the horses and the marriage happening soon

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Speaker 6: and all that stuff, that's okay. But I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I want somebody locked in.

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Speaker 5: You can't have a wife.

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Speaker 3: This Wow, she want man?

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Speaker 5: That's horrible. Father Mike, that's uns terrible.

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Speaker 6: I don't mean it like that. Mental health, your life

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Speaker 6: is important. I just like I said earlier, I don't

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Speaker 6: have time. I just I want someone like Sean Lee.

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Speaker 6: He's focus, he's in, he's locked in, he's here day

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Speaker 6: and night. But Ah Harris, that would be I will

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Speaker 6: actually love to see him step into an opportunity like that,

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Speaker 6: and I think he would do a really good job.

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Speaker 8: Actually, Al Harris I think is an interesting name for

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Speaker 8: me because I do think. I think he's a leader

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Speaker 8: of a leader of men. I think he commands respect.

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Speaker 8: I think he would be an interesting candidate. I don't

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Speaker 8: know that Dallas would necessarily hire him, just because I

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Speaker 8: think Jerry does put a premium on experience.

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Speaker 5: As a head coach.

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Speaker 8: But that's a guy that I keep I'm going to

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Speaker 8: keep my eye on whether he's here or somewhere else,

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Speaker 8: because I do.

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Speaker 5: Think he has a bright future as a coach.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's talk about the next category former NFL

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Speaker 8: head coaches. This is where we get into our Pete

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Speaker 8: Carroll's we've talked about already, Ron Rivera, John Gruden which

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Speaker 8: is an interesting name, Doug Peterson, and Rob A. Sala

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Speaker 8: who we heard earlier today is there are reports out

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Speaker 8: there at least that he is planning to interview with

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys. We haven't gotten any official word on that,

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Speaker 8: but that's that's one of the reports.

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Speaker 5: That's out there.

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Speaker 8: Of that list, which of those guys do you think

880
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 8: is most likely for the job and which one would

881
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 8: you want for.

882
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: The job most likely? I would say Doug Peterson. Who

883
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: I would like is Pete Carroll?

884
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: Why?

885
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 5: Most likely?

886
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: He's got nine years of experience in the NFC East.

887
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: It feels like a safe pick. He's coached with the

888
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: Eagles and that's the team you're trying to beat in

889
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: this division right now. Understands just organizationally, you know a

890
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: lot how that how that place has worked, and his

891
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 2: nine years coaching there, he's won a Super Bowl and

892
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: his time in Jacksonville's two winning seasons in three years.

893
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: Now.

894
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Granted this last year was an absolute disaster, but how

895
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: much do you credit that to injuries in Jacksonville as well?

896
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson just sounds right on the surface, but obviously

897
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: for me, I'd be going Pete.

898
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 10: Carroll, John Gruden I'd like, and I think Robert Sala has.

899
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: A real opportunity here. So those are my two why.

900
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 10: I think Robert Sala we talk about being able to

901
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 10: stand up in front of the room me personally though

902
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 10: of the names, And I like what you've said about

903
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 10: Pete Carroll. I think you make a really interesting argument

904
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 10: about Pete Carroll. I personally would like Robert Sala not

905
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 10: to be like from being a head coach to being

906
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 10: a head coach. I think if he were to go,

907
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 10: and there's a side of me that has this plan

908
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 10: about maybe that if Robert there's he's talked about being

909
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 10: a the coordinator at the forty nine ers, but there's

910
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 10: some other names that are possibly in that mix, and

911
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 10: I wonder if they would bring him back. Selfishly, I

912
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 10: would think it about one of these coaches, say if

913
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 10: it was an offensive guy, say you know, you you

914
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 10: you brought in here, you had Kellen Moore and you know,

915
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 10: and Zimmer goes on. You know, maybe if Robert Salad

916
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 10: doesn't get one of these jobs, that he can come

917
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 10: back as your defensive coordinator. That's a selfish he's got

918
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 10: to do in like a double in.

919
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am, yeah exactly.

920
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 10: But I kind of feel like though that that I

921
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 10: would love John to get the job because I know John.

922
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 10: I've known John since you know, we were together in

923
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 10: the league in nineteen ninety two. There's a lot of

924
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 10: things that John has to get over through his past. Absolutely,

925
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 10: that's something that's you know, it's it's documented. But I

926
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 10: feel like he did deserves another chance the uh but

927
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 10: I would I would say that probably I'd like for him.

928
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 10: But sala I just feel like though that man. I

929
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 10: think he really does a good job of relating to players,

930
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 10: you know, and that that Jets defense was really good.

931
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 10: They need to figure out the offensive stuff and that's

932
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 10: where if it was Robert Sala here's the selfish guy.

933
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 4: Me.

934
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 10: I know, Dak Prescott really liked working with Doug Nussmeyer.

935
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 10: You know, he and Doug Nussmeyer like game plan together.

936
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 10: If I really don't like Kellen Moore. Can I get

937
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 10: Doug nussmer quarterback coach to be the OC with Robert Sala?

938
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: So now I got my defense fixed.

939
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 10: See, I'm trying to do a couple of things here

940
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 10: with these coaches you're gonna get. You're gonna tell me

941
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 10: about Aaron Glint. I'm gonna tell you why I want

942
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 10: Aaron Glynn. I'm also gonna tell you why I want

943
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 10: Mark Burnell as the offensive coordinator. I'm trying to fix

944
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 10: both things, is what I'm trying to do. So with

945
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 10: Robert Sala, I think I could fix the defense. But

946
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 10: if it can I convince somebody.

947
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: That really did Dak Prescott really really likes to be

948
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: my OC? I might, I might. I might do some

949
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: really some good there.

950
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 6: We can. I'll talk a come someone on their contract.

951
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: Right.

952
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 8: Well, we'll get to that. That's another category. Go with

953
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 8: the names I gave.

954
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 6: You and give me Okay, yeah, brought out the ruler.

955
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 6: Oh my god. Okay, I've talked everything that's gonna come

956
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 6: out of my mouth today. It just sounds terrible. Uh,

957
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 6: it's gonna sound like I don't want inclusion. And I've

958
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 6: talked about the age part of what's next.

959
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: I don't want age. Age is the problem. Marriage is

960
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 5: a problem.

961
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 6: So Pet Carrol, I would be okay with that. If

962
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 6: you're telling me the coordinators are are Oh my god,

963
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 6: okay enough. I want a young offensive coordinator. I want

964
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 6: someone younger that just brings something different. He can be

965
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 6: tight ends coach.

966
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 9: I've just fascinated to his inclusion in this whole ordeal.

967
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

968
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 6: Hey, we'll get to that. Yeah later, that's another list

969
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 6: we will per Derek.

970
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, just taking it all the time, like we literally

971
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 5: not Okay.

972
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 6: No, But I think I think right now, I think

973
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 6: I'm currently being influenced by what I'm seeing on social

974
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 6: media and online right now at the moment. Roberts, I

975
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 6: can't pronounce. It's that Sali slid Solida. He wasn't on

976
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 6: my radar necessarily and then all of a sudden, I'm

977
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 6: very intrigued by him. But I think, if I'm being honest,

978
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 6: I think I'm just being influenced by everything that I'm

979
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 6: currently seeing at the moment because of the news about

980
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 6: the meeting and everything.

981
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Twenty and thirty six and four years that just worries me.

982
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: And the best he's ever finished in division is third. Yeah,

983
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: that's that that would have to be answered.

984
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 8: I think I like Bryan's idea. If I'm talking to him,

985
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 8: I'm talking to him because I'm thinking about him also

986
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 8: as a defensive coordinator.

987
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 5: Yes, I'd love to have him come.

988
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: That's what I'm interviewing him as a defensive coordinators when

989
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: we do.

990
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, let's look at current NFL coordinators. You've

991
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 8: got Kellen Moore, Aaron Glenn, Brian Flores, Ben Johnson, Todd Monkin,

992
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 8: Liam Cohen, and Cliff Kingsbury.

993
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: And every one of those guys is probably going to

994
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: get a head coaching.

995
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 9: Job at some point at some point.

996
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Which do you like and which you

997
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 8: think is most like?

998
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: I would love Aaron Glenn the more I look at

999
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn and and you know, understand his past and

1000
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: understand you know, I'll watch that Pivot episode that he

1001
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: did a couple of days ago with.

1002
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 9: Ryan Clark, and he's really good.

1003
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a leader of men one hundred percent and

1004
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: obviously has experience here only a couple of years, but

1005
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: it's experienced here. Who I would think would make most

1006
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: sense with the Cowboys, like what I think they would

1007
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: go after is Cliff Kingsbury. There's there's a lot of

1008
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: respect between the Jones and Kingsbury. Kingsbury would be coming

1009
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: back to Texas. It would It would surprise me if

1010
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: he doesn't get an interview.

1011
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 10: Glenn on both fronts. For me, I just think that,

1012
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 10: you know, I want him. I think that we talked

1013
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 10: about all the leadership stuff and all that. He's fifty

1014
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 10: two years old too. I think I can grow with

1015
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 10: this guy. And I think he's got a good under

1016
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 10: standing of the places he's been, the coaches he's been with,

1017
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 10: how to handle a room. And I think you'll at

1018
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 10: my self as side of me is looking at Mark

1019
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 10: Burnell Hitt, the quarterback coach at Detroit who's been there

1020
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 10: for four years. I think he's kind of he could

1021
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 10: like he's got ideas. Him and Ben Johnson have worked

1022
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 10: together for a while now. He could bring some of

1023
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 10: those ideas and help you. You know, look what they've

1024
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 10: done with golf and we all gave up on golf

1025
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 10: over there Detroit. Now he's like an MVP type of

1026
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 10: a quarterback. Offense is outstanding. So gimme Glynn.

1027
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 6: On both fronts, no one's convincing to me, Uh, can

1028
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 6: I say the guy I wanted to say that's on

1029
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 6: their contract?

1030
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we were going to there's.

1031
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 6: A I thought that separate, No, nobody. I want something

1032
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 6: who's done the job before.

1033
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't.

1034
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 6: I I'm not ready to promote people and let them

1035
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 6: be us be the first year as a trial. I

1036
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 6: want someone that has done it before.

1037
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I agree with you guys. Aaron Glynn

1038
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 8: for me is the guy I want out of that list.

1039
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 8: But I actually think the guy that's most likely to

1040
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 8: get it out of that list is Kellen Moore.

1041
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 5: I just have a feeling I forgot.

1042
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 8: I know, I know how the Cowboys.

1043
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 6: He's been talked about so much, and.

1044
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 8: And and here's I think that's how Jerry gets over

1045
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 8: the idea that he hasn't been a head coach is

1046
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 8: because he spent so much time here so they know

1047
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 8: him really well.

1048
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 5: It's the Garrett effect, right.

1049
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 8: They know Garrett for so long they could get over

1050
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 8: the fact that he hadn't been a head coach to

1051
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 8: be able to make that higher.

1052
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 10: What has he learned in the last two years since

1053
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 10: he's been gone. That's going to be the key for

1054
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 10: Kellen Moore hacks. Aaron Glenn is going to come in

1055
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 10: and he is going to interview very very well.

1056
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

1057
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 10: He is going to convince Jerry Steven and Will in

1058
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 10: the in the Jones's family that they that he is

1059
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 10: the absolute right guy for this shop. The only thing

1060
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 10: Kellen Moore has on Aaron Glenn is the fact that

1061
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 10: he was here, nothing else.

1062
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 5: I agree. Look, I agree with you.

1063
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 8: I think Aaron Glenn is the best choice out of

1064
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 8: that list, and he'll prove I just don't know if

1065
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 8: they will go that route.

1066
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 10: I think that the Joneses will get the Joneses will

1067
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 10: be blown away by Aaron Glenn interviewing. I don't think

1068
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 10: they'll get blown away by Kellen Moore. Unless Kellen Moore

1069
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 10: has picked up something while he was with the Chargers

1070
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 10: and he was at Philadelphia. Yeah, something has you know,

1071
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 10: fine coach. But I tell you what, did Joneses get

1072
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 10: influenced by people?

1073
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: They talk to? Aaron Glenn? I'll tell you what he'll

1074
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: do it.

1075
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: I do know the Joneses have a high affinity for

1076
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, even since his departure since twenty twenty two.

1077
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: But Kellen Moore would have to answer the question of

1078
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: can you command a locker room? Can you command a room?

1079
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: Can when you will stand up in command?

1080
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 9: Yeah? Talking to that would have to be the question.

1081
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 8: We got a couple more categories college coaches, and that

1082
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 8: would include Deon Sanders, Bill Belichick, Marcus Freeman, Steve Sarkisian

1083
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 8: Lincoln Riley, Lane Kiffen. Any of those guys you think

1084
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 8: are like of those guys, who do you think is

1085
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 8: most likely? And who would you want if you had

1086
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 8: to choose from that list?

1087
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: Two?

1088
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 9: Can I do two of most likely?

1089
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 5: Sure?

1090
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: Dion obviously already having conversations with Jerry Lane Kiffin as well,

1091
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: has experience through his father in this building low buy

1092
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: out at Ole Miss. It would not surprise me if

1093
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: if there's interest at some point during this process. I

1094
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: don't think he gets hired here, but I think there's

1095
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: at some point there's going to be interest there. But

1096
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: as far as who who I would want from that group, man,

1097
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: that's Marcus Freeman.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sign me up, Yes, give me Marcus Freeman. On

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Speaker 3: both fronts there if.

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Speaker 6: You could, there's no way this happened Like Theon's sand,

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Speaker 6: There's there's just no way. I this was big. I mean,

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00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 6: our jobs we would. There would be somebody by the

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00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 6: way every day.

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Speaker 8: If you want to talk about like where my rooting

1105
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 8: interest is, it is, I tell.

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Speaker 5: You numbers will go crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 8: And if I tell you I'm rooting for storylines, sign

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00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 8: me up for Deon Sanders because I just see what

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Speaker 8: happens with Colorado.

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00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 5: And the tension he brings him and Jerry together, Like, oh.

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Speaker 6: Man, we would have something going on every day.

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Speaker 5: Wow, this would be fun.

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Speaker 2: You get a boring okay, here here to do. You

1115
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: get a boring candidate, you get a boring head coach,

1116
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: but you're like in the NFC championship game in like

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00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: two years, or you get Dionne and you go like

1118
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: two and two and Fife.

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Speaker 5: No, I want to win, don't get me wrong. But

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Speaker 5: that's also my point.

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Speaker 8: Like what he did h at at Jackson State, what

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00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 8: he did at Colorado, he's shown he can go in

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Speaker 8: and turn a program around. I don't think the doubt

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00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are that kind of rebuild, but you saw

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Speaker 8: what he did in those two stops.

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Speaker 5: In his first two stops.

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Speaker 8: He was able to completely transform what they do and

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Speaker 8: how well.

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Speaker 5: They played football. Right, So he's he's shown you that

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Speaker 5: he can do it.

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Speaker 8: I would also just love the fact that every day

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00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 8: the press conferences would be great. Every day you're hearing

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00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 8: different interesting things from him. And his team would have

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00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 8: some swagger, they would have some fun. There would be

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00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 8: things we could do around this building with them that

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00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 8: would be he gets he gets prime time, like he

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00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 8: gets what this organization does. In addition to the fact

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00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 8: he would get I think he would make them win. Please,

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00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 8: I don't think it happened. I just don't think it happens.

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00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 8: But I would love for that to win. All right,

1141
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 8: final category, This is our wildcard category. And let me

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00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 8: preface this by saying, a couple of these names guys

1143
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 8: are currently NFL head coaches. There would have to be

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00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 8: compensation obviously that now we're talking and so, but there

1145
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 8: are a few names here that I want to give

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00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 8: out and these are these are wild cards, but worth

1147
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 8: the conversation. Sean Vay, Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, Jason Widden

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00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 8: high school coach.

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00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 5: Who do you like? Who do you think is most

1150
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 5: likely out of that list?

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00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

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00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: Slightly witting just because you don't have to pay anything

1153
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: to give him or to you don't have to give

1154
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: up anything to get him who I would like Man

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00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: McVeagh here, Yes, yes, yes, Tom, if.

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00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 8: We can only drink, well, that's because Tom has a

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00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 8: no trade clause, so that's not an option. And he

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00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 8: made it clear in his press conference yesterday. He was like, yeah,

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00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 8: don't waste your time coming to talk because I'm not

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00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 8: going nowhere.

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Speaker 10: So I'll tell you what though. The guy in Minnesota

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00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 10: he won fourteen games with Sam Darnell.

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00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 5: Yes, that's emphar.

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00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 10: I mean when when that entry happened in training camp,

1165
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 10: We're all like, Minnesota done done.

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00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: Watch the Bears, Watch the Bears. Bears are Lions. We

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00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 3: didn't even think about Minnesota.

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00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 10: Guy went fourteen games with damn Sam Darnald a quarterback.

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00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 8: It is no question that he should be the coach

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00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 8: of the year. In my opinion, nobody did a more

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00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 8: massful job what he did with what he had.

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Speaker 10: I'll tell the guy at Buffalo though, his team was

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00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 10: like that was a rebuild they were talking about at Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's got a quarterback. That's the difference. He's

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00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 5: got a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: I mean in Minnesota, they ran out a guy that's

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Speaker 8: been a rolling around the NFL, and nobody could find

1178
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 8: a good home for him and he got into the

1179
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 8: fourteen wins.

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Speaker 3: Campbell whether he's done with no defenders is also impressive

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Amber, Yes, I think, I mean it would personally,

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00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 6: I think it would be bringing so much more excitement

1184
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 6: because he's so different then what the Cowboys have had

1185
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 6: around here and McVeigh. He's shown what he can do

1186
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 6: and it would be very exciting to have that type

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00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 6: of football here with the Cowboys. And I think it

1188
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 6: would just revolutionize and change the whole thing completely. So yes,

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00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 6: do What is it gonna happen?

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00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 5: What would you be willing to give up?

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00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 6: What do I have to give up?

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00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 5: You got to give up draft picks if you're going

1193
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: to get a guy on there?

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 8: Would you give Would you give up a first round

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00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 8: pick for either one of those head coaches that we

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Speaker 8: just mentioned that are currently in the NFL?

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, give a first round pick? Yes, actually yes,

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00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 6: because when have you taken a big chance?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 6: Really, when have you made a big move like that?

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00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 6: You haven't, So maybe it's time to make a big move.

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Speaker 8: But what that what that says to me is if

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00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 8: you're willing to do that, that means you feel like,

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00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 8: right now, the Cowboys have the talent they need.

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00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: You know you don't.

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00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 10: You're gonna give up the first round pick to get

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00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 10: the coach to get it started, is what you're gonna do.

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00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 5: And then you're gonna say we're basically in a rebuild.

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00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly for the fleet for the first year. But

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Speaker 10: guess like I said, I would give up Ashton genty

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Speaker 10: to get Sean McVay, I'd give.

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Speaker 9: Up a first.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think they would take only a first.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd have to give up like a first,

1215
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: and you might have to give up two first. John

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00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: Payton was.

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Speaker 5: If they would have lost this last week, and maybe

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Speaker 5: you could.

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00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: Sean Payton was a first in a second. So it's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that's gonna yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, happening, happening, But it's fun to think about, right

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Speaker 8: all right, We appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be

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Speaker 8: back next week. Stay tuned at Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 8: We'll have all the latest updates as this thing continues

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Speaker 8: to move till then. For Nick Harris, Brian brought us

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