Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined alongside my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz,
Speaker 1: were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau
Speaker 1: Field and West. It is a Tuesday, and in the
Speaker 1: last a little less than forty eight hours, I guess
Speaker 1: I would say there's been a lot going on here
Speaker 1: at Si Lombardi Avenue and cut to the chase. The
Speaker 1: Packers lose at home to the Arizona Cardinals, and within
Speaker 1: a couple of hours head coach Mike McCarthy has been
Speaker 1: relieved of his duties and the Packers are moving on
Speaker 1: and the eyes are on the future. They are Mike,
Speaker 1: you obviously you know Mark Murphy, Brian Goodkins, all the
Speaker 1: primary party spoke on Monday about where things are headed
Speaker 1: and what the eye is with the future and in
Speaker 1: building over these next four weeks. You know, Murphy, I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty candid and explained his thinking well in
Speaker 1: terms of what the thought process. Was certainly a very
Speaker 1: difficult loss the Arizona Cardinals, a team that Murphy go
Speaker 1: to kunst Uh Aaron Rodgers in the locker room afterwards
Speaker 1: said they need to beat that team. They didn't get
Speaker 1: it done, They didn't play well in that contest, and
Speaker 1: Murphy felt like the time was right, time was needed
Speaker 1: to make a change, and it now becomes on Joe
Speaker 1: Philbin will be the interim coach here for the rest
Speaker 1: of the month, and the Packers will get a chance
Speaker 1: to begin their process now of selecting will eventually be
Speaker 1: the fifteenth head coach with the Green Bay Packers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think one thing Mark Murphy made pretty clear
Speaker 1: is that no decision had been made that in as
Speaker 1: much as the Packers had been struggling through the month
Speaker 1: of November, some close losses, tough losses on the road,
Speaker 1: tough venues, all of that kind of stuff, there was
Speaker 1: always the hope and the support to try to turn
Speaker 1: things around, like the Packers did in sixteen when they
Speaker 1: were four and six and ran the table the NFC Championship,
Speaker 1: Like the Packers and Mike McCarthy did in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine when they lost a terrible game mid season
Speaker 1: to a really bad Tampa Bay Buccaneers team and were
Speaker 1: four and four, and people were wondering then about Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's job security. Aaron Rodgers, in his second year as
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback. Where is the franchise headed? They rip
Speaker 1: off seven wins in their last eight regular season games,
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, and that became the start of
Speaker 1: eight consecutive postseason berths. There were other obviously low moments
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy, his leadership Aaron Rodgers that pulled the
Speaker 1: Packers out of it. They weren't pulling out of it
Speaker 1: this year. And essentially, when the decision was made then
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy would not be the head coach in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, there was no point in hanging on and
Speaker 1: having any kind of a cloud over the franchise over
Speaker 1: the last month of what was going to happen, and
Speaker 1: this and that, it's the decisions made you move on.
Speaker 1: It's Joe Philbins team for the final month. He's auditioning
Speaker 1: in some respects to potentially be the head coach in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But it was also stated pretty emphatically that
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a wide net cast here, no no
Speaker 1: doors being closed, no parameters being put on the upcoming search.
Speaker 1: As far as offense, defense, college experience, pro experience, UM,
Speaker 1: the doors are wide open here. Mark Murphy, Brian gudunts
Speaker 1: are going to go look for the next man to
Speaker 1: lead the Green Bay package. Yeah. Murphy also said that
Speaker 1: he and Brian also were in unison and in concert
Speaker 1: with each other on Sunday night to make the decision
Speaker 1: to remove Mike McCarthy's head coach. It's still somewhat surreal,
Speaker 1: as you said, Mike, it's been forty eight hours later.
Speaker 1: But obviously when you've had a man that's been in
Speaker 1: that role for as many years as he was, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's different. I think you felt that in the
Speaker 1: locker room on Monday. Brian Bulaga was effusive in his praise.
Speaker 1: I I give Blog a lot of credit. He's he's
Speaker 1: stepped up and I think at at he's played well
Speaker 1: on the field, but in the locker room he's really
Speaker 1: been a voice in there this season and had to
Speaker 1: talk through some really tough moments. And he said, you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at McCarthy, it wasn't just the coach
Speaker 1: he was. He was a phenomenal coach, but it was
Speaker 1: also the man, and it was that man that steered
Speaker 1: them through a lot of dark times, uh, in challenging
Speaker 1: times over the last ten you know, ten twelve years
Speaker 1: that being said, there is a lot of confidence in
Speaker 1: Joe Philbin. He's been there, a lot of these veterans
Speaker 1: know him. The young players have been impressed by him.
Speaker 1: And although Philbin said this isn't about his future. This
Speaker 1: he's not thinking about that. He doesn't really care to
Speaker 1: speak about what his chances are landing this job. He
Speaker 1: wants to get the team back on track. And while
Speaker 1: he does that, Murphy Goodkins can start looking towards trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what exactly they're looking for the next
Speaker 1: head coach of the Green Bay Packers. One of the
Speaker 1: things I wrote an insider inbox was that when you
Speaker 1: look back at I think specifically the legacy of a
Speaker 1: guy like Ted Thompson. He hired one head coach and
Speaker 1: he drafted Aaron Rodgers with his first pick. That's set
Speaker 1: the future this franchise up. That foundation that they still
Speaker 1: stand on today was solid because of that. Now, in
Speaker 1: this next phase of this thing, Murphy and Goodacounts are
Speaker 1: gonna look to do the same thing. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's going to be a collaborative effort. Mike
Speaker 1: Mark Murphy questioned pretty fiercely. I guess you might say
Speaker 1: in terms of why he's the one in charge of
Speaker 1: making this decision, not Brian Goudacounts. But he said he's
Speaker 1: not going to hire a coach that Brian Goodacounts is
Speaker 1: not comfortable with. That he used the phrase actively involved.
Speaker 1: I I took it to mean that it's going to
Speaker 1: be a collaborative effort between the two of them, but
Speaker 1: somebody has to have the final say, and the final
Speaker 1: say um the contract offers, so to speak, however that materializes,
Speaker 1: is going to be made by Mark Murphy as the
Speaker 1: Packers move forward here and as I said before, no
Speaker 1: parameters on it at this point, except he did clarify
Speaker 1: that it's not going to be a decision or anything
Speaker 1: happening before the end of the regular season. It's something
Speaker 1: that is going to carry um at least into January,
Speaker 1: and a lot of a lot of other questions obviously
Speaker 1: will come up between now and then, But the Packers
Speaker 1: are in no rush to do this at this moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially with how attractive this job is going to
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, Mike, and and the question was
Speaker 1: asked a couple of times of Murphy and then also
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers in the locker room about how far
Speaker 1: away this team is. Would you qualify this as a rebuild,
Speaker 1: and Rogers said he really doesn't view it like that.
Speaker 1: He views it as Murphy's mindset is to win now.
Speaker 1: And and with having Rogers, they're having a promising young
Speaker 1: running back with with Aaron Jones Davante Adams at the
Speaker 1: peak of his powers. There are a lot of good,
Speaker 1: strong playmakers on this team. I think there are a
Speaker 1: few places the Packers this offseason need to fill some holes,
Speaker 1: need to build some depth. But overall, when you look
Speaker 1: at when you when you set out on a path
Speaker 1: to start building a team, if you're completely rebuilding, you
Speaker 1: want your you want your quarterback, you want your receiver,
Speaker 1: you want your left tackle, you want your cornerback. Packers
Speaker 1: have a lot of those guys, So it's just about
Speaker 1: being finding the right person to bring them along. And
Speaker 1: I was walking around at lambeau Field this morning, Mike
Speaker 1: kind of just thinking to myself and working on a
Speaker 1: story on Joe Philbin and and some other things that
Speaker 1: I've been assigned, and I was thinking about this and
Speaker 1: it really did hit me in that the Packers in
Speaker 1: in the situation that they're in right now, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: difficult and it's a tumultuous time. You don't like upheaval,
Speaker 1: especially in season. But at the same time, this is
Speaker 1: the first time they've really been able to press reset
Speaker 1: in quite a while. And it is a it's a
Speaker 1: year to year league. This wasn't the Packers year, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if that necessarily means that next year
Speaker 1: can't be. I think Mike McCarthy coming in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six and you know, a year after that being
Speaker 1: able to lead them the NFC Championship Games shows you
Speaker 1: how quickly these things can turn around. But it is
Speaker 1: all at this time about finding the right fit to
Speaker 1: make that happen. Yeah, and I want to talk a
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Speaker 1: totally on board with you West with regards to the
Speaker 1: fact that and what Aaron Rodgers said that this is
Speaker 1: not a rebuild. There are pieces in place, and in
Speaker 1: this league, things can turn around very, very quickly. The
Speaker 1: Packers are going to be going into an off season.
Speaker 1: It will be Brian Goodakun's second offseason as general manager.
Speaker 1: We saw him make some aggressive moves in free agency.
Speaker 1: Those will be obviously evaluated. Unfortunately one of those ended
Speaker 1: an injury with Mohammed Wilkerson. You know, Um, But the
Speaker 1: approach in the off season is going to we already
Speaker 1: aw in Goudacum's first offseason it was a very different
Speaker 1: approach and he's going to He's also going to be
Speaker 1: going into this next draft with two first round picks,
Speaker 1: both the Packers and the New Orleans Saints. Um, so
Speaker 1: as it looks right now, one of those will be
Speaker 1: in the top half of the first round, the other
Speaker 1: one obviously in the bottom half of the first round.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's two first
Speaker 1: round picks. It's two of the first you know, two
Speaker 1: and a half dozen players to come off the board.
Speaker 1: The opportunity, the opportunity is here to makeen the anomaly.
Speaker 1: And I know was also a losing season, but when
Speaker 1: you lose your starting quarterback games, okay, that didn't work out,
Speaker 1: that that sort of falls into a different category. But
Speaker 1: the opportunity is here to make um the exception not
Speaker 1: the rule for the Green Bay Packers. And that's when
Speaker 1: when this bad season hit rock bottom with a loss
Speaker 1: to an Arizona Cardinals team that should not be able
Speaker 1: to come into Lambolefield in December and beat the Packers.
Speaker 1: When you hit rock bottom, then it's like, okay, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's time to move on and and and not wait
Speaker 1: around and uh. And the reason the decision is being
Speaker 1: made now is because Murphy and Goudacount's believe that this
Speaker 1: team is not as far away as a four seven
Speaker 1: and one record might suggest. Well, and it's not going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of headlines because of how things
Speaker 1: have gone this season. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: like to bring up the two thousand fifteen draft and
Speaker 1: how that didn't really work out for the Packers, but
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand sixteen was a strong draft for them.
Speaker 1: You're seeing Kenny Clark really become his own player, one
Speaker 1: of the top nosed tackles in this league. Dean Lowry
Speaker 1: has three sacks in the last four games. Blake Martinez
Speaker 1: has turned into their every down inside linebacker. I think
Speaker 1: the early returns on this eighteen draft, the first one
Speaker 1: of Brian Goodacunst, have been really good. Alexander like a
Speaker 1: legitimate shut down cornerback in this league. He's twenty one
Speaker 1: years young, carries himself like a thirty year old All pro. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is a lot to build around when you're just
Speaker 1: talking about trying to find more playmakers, find guys to
Speaker 1: build a defense around, find players to potentially be able
Speaker 1: to put around Aaron Rodgers. It's all right in front
Speaker 1: of them in that regard. So yeah, I think getting
Speaker 1: two picks in the first round, I've said it since
Speaker 1: Goodkin's made the trade. You go back to the last
Speaker 1: time the Packers did. It was two thousand nine. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you what happened on the day of the draft
Speaker 1: when they moved up to get Clay Matthews. But when
Speaker 1: they took two stabs at it, Ted Thompson set the
Speaker 1: foundation there for a couple of top five, top ten
Speaker 1: defenses for a couple of seasons with Clay Matthews and
Speaker 1: b J. Rogie. So yeah, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that far away. The bigger thing for the Packers.
Speaker 1: I think, looking more at the immediate what's in front
Speaker 1: of us as it stands is, and I wrote about
Speaker 1: this an inbox, it's a matter of pride right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of prideful people in there that have
Speaker 1: been to the top of the mountain, that know what
Speaker 1: it feels like to be a world champion, that now
Speaker 1: for the first time, are going to be challenged here
Speaker 1: for four or three or four games to play the
Speaker 1: string out too, to not be in quote unquote playoff
Speaker 1: company contention. I understand there's a percentage chance right now,
Speaker 1: but but that I think is gonna be the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: And that's where a guy like Joe Philbin, the way
Speaker 1: he carries himself, I said, he's the epitome of class.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be up to him. Mike Petton runs up
Speaker 1: to be able to rally the troops here, finish this
Speaker 1: season strong, and then, you know, maybe try to find
Speaker 1: some momentum to be able to build into this offseason. Well,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, your west. If you're a player in
Speaker 1: the Packers locker room and you're not a veteran player
Speaker 1: with a secure contract so to speak, just to put
Speaker 1: guys in a certain category, these last these last four games,
Speaker 1: there's nothing more competitive than NFL football and roster spots
Speaker 1: and anybody's future in this league. You're talking about a
Speaker 1: new draft class that comes in every year, undrafted rookies,
Speaker 1: free agent signings, everything else. The guys in that locker room,
Speaker 1: you know, it's what you put on video. Now these
Speaker 1: last four games, there's gonna be there's gonna be new leadership.
Speaker 1: There's been change, but how you finished this season, both
Speaker 1: individually and collectively, is going to go a long way
Speaker 1: towards some of the decisions that are made in the
Speaker 1: off season. And and these players are not are not
Speaker 1: naive to that fact. So while some people out there
Speaker 1: maybe wondering, well, you know, do you just do you
Speaker 1: just sit Aaron Rodgers and you know, play all these
Speaker 1: young guys you know, and and look towards the future
Speaker 1: and play it like preseason games. I'm not saying those
Speaker 1: young guys aren't going to get a certain amount of
Speaker 1: reps and snaps and stuff, but you also have to
Speaker 1: find out if the players that you have in that
Speaker 1: locker room right now, if under some different leadership, if
Speaker 1: there is more to get out of them, and if
Speaker 1: there is and if they are going to be part
Speaker 1: of the future. And that's what Brian Goodakutsen his personnel
Speaker 1: staff are going to be watching over these final four games. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a great point you make, and in looking at
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers specifically, Joe Witt said it, to the best
Speaker 1: of his knowledge, he's not in any increased danger right
Speaker 1: now playing through that knee injury that hurt him, you know,
Speaker 1: bothered him early in the season. He even said he
Speaker 1: looked as mobile, as active in the pocket as he's
Speaker 1: been all season in that game against Arizona. So if
Speaker 1: there's no ad at injury concerned there with Rogers for
Speaker 1: the long term, he's going to play, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: play one because he's the leader of the team and
Speaker 1: that's what he's paid to do. But too, I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be fair to a guy like Davante
Speaker 1: Adams to sit Aaron Rodgers at the juncture the season.
Speaker 1: Davante Adams has laid it on the line for you
Speaker 1: every single week, and yeah, he wants to win, Yes
Speaker 1: he wants to be in the playoffs. Yes he wants
Speaker 1: to be able to get a Super Bowl ring. But
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is Davante Adams put together
Speaker 1: a pretty special season. We talked about it as recently
Speaker 1: as last week, where he's lined up right now a
Speaker 1: hundred yards season, potentially setting new franchise records. You want
Speaker 1: to give him the opportunity to do that, to finish strong,
Speaker 1: to put together that complete season that kind of has
Speaker 1: eluded him in the past for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: You also want to get guys like Jake Kumero some
Speaker 1: snaps here. Listen, Mike, and I said this to you
Speaker 1: earlier this week. It's a great story. It's phenomenal what
Speaker 1: he's been able to do and get to this level.
Speaker 1: We gotta see if he can do it in the
Speaker 1: NFL regular season. Now, you need to give him that chance.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to see exactly what you
Speaker 1: have going into the preseason next year. Robert Tany and
Speaker 1: some of these guys on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Tyler Lancaster, how does he fit into a potential rotation
Speaker 1: moving forward. All those things are so critical right now
Speaker 1: because here's the reality of it, Mike, the Packers playoff
Speaker 1: chances could go to zero depending on a couple of
Speaker 1: scenarios after this weekend, and there aren't a whole lot
Speaker 1: of play the teams on this list coming up that
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to play spoiler For the Jets
Speaker 1: and in Lions, their seasons are pretty much are what
Speaker 1: they are. So it's a matter of being able to
Speaker 1: get up for those contests and show what your metal,
Speaker 1: show what you're made of, and being able to to
Speaker 1: prove to Brian Goodickun's and the guys in that locker
Speaker 1: room that I deserve to be a part of the
Speaker 1: long term pans of the Green Bay Packers. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. One thing I want to do
Speaker 1: before we go today, though, is just to reflect for
Speaker 1: a few moments on the Mike McCarthy tenure here in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, because there aren't a lot of guys in
Speaker 1: this league who get their first head coaching job as
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy did in two thousand six. And last, this
Speaker 1: is a guy. This is a guy who is the
Speaker 1: second long is tenured coach in Packers history. Second most
Speaker 1: victories are five in the regular season plus ten in
Speaker 1: the postseason, obviously a Super Bowl championship, mentioned the eight
Speaker 1: straight playoff berths, four trips to the NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 1: But even all that said, West, what I'm going to
Speaker 1: remember about Mike McCarthy are the times that his leadership
Speaker 1: was so sorely needed and he came through to lead
Speaker 1: this team through some tough times. And I'm talking about
Speaker 1: not just four and six and run the table in
Speaker 1: but the failed Merry Game in two thousand twelve, when
Speaker 1: everything could have completely fallen apart um from um, from
Speaker 1: just an attitude and leadership standpoint, amongst many people in
Speaker 1: the organization, Mike McCarthy was the one who stood there
Speaker 1: and gave the most dignified response to the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And what ends up happening, the Packers still go to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. In two thousand twelve, they put they put
Speaker 1: that behind him. I mentioned the Tampa Bay loss in
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine when Tampa Bay was winless
Speaker 1: and they were having a first year of first start
Speaker 1: for a rookie quarterback, and the Packers went down and
Speaker 1: lost that game, and everybody wondered where that was going.
Speaker 1: And this is the head coach who had insisted on
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was ready in two thousand and eight. This
Speaker 1: was the guy a year and a half into that
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and half of two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: everybody was wondering where this was going. And then we
Speaker 1: saw where it was going after that. So and I
Speaker 1: could go on and on about the list, but those
Speaker 1: are the things that I'm going to remember about Mike McCarthy. Yes,
Speaker 1: things went south in it happens in this league. It
Speaker 1: happens to the best coaches in this league. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that Mike McCarthy doesn't know how to coach. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to get another job this offseason if
Speaker 1: he wants one, and I would expect him to be
Speaker 1: successful again. But but there's things aren't Things don't feel
Speaker 1: good right now, but in time, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of really really neat stuff to remember about these
Speaker 1: thirteen seasons with Mike McCarthy and Mark Murphy said it
Speaker 1: to and when you look at what Andy Reid has
Speaker 1: done now going to Kansas City, these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: the truly elite coaches find ways to make it work
Speaker 1: in other locations. And Mike McCarthy again, if he wants
Speaker 1: to do that, we'll see exactly where his heart lies
Speaker 1: and what he wants to do. As far as his
Speaker 1: next step, that's certainly available to him. And you you
Speaker 1: raise a great point. I think two thousand eight is
Speaker 1: something that always is going to stand out to me.
Speaker 1: The conviction he had in his system in the development
Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers to push forward with that. You know
Speaker 1: what this league is like, Mike. It would have been
Speaker 1: really easy to roll over, just say yep, come back, Brett,
Speaker 1: lose Aaron Rodgers a year or two later, and then
Speaker 1: then you gave up arguably the greatest quarterback in NFL history. Um,
Speaker 1: But him and Ted Thompson stayed true to that. They
Speaker 1: stayed true to themselves in two thousand and sixteen, through
Speaker 1: the ups and downs. They did it in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: two thousand that regard, I give him all the credit
Speaker 1: in the world. From a personal perspective, mine is a
Speaker 1: little bit different because I was on the other side
Speaker 1: of this thing for a number of years, covered him
Speaker 1: critically for five years. I wrote all the story in
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen about where is this team heading? Are
Speaker 1: they lose? Is he losing it? How are they falling apart?
Speaker 1: They started six and oh and now you're you're scrambling
Speaker 1: and he brought him back. And the thing that's always
Speaker 1: gonna stand out to me after I got hired here
Speaker 1: at Packers dot Com, set up in his office with
Speaker 1: him and talked for a while a long time about
Speaker 1: my life, where I was at, where my family was at,
Speaker 1: my decision for coming on board. And I gotta give
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy a lot of credit for how welcoming he
Speaker 1: was too, an outsider uh that asked a lot of
Speaker 1: tough questions and wrote a lot of uh interesting stories
Speaker 1: over the years. UM but yet always was incredibly welcoming
Speaker 1: to me and asking me, regardless of what the win
Speaker 1: loss record was or what the result had been the
Speaker 1: night before, how I was doing, how my family was doing,
Speaker 1: what my plans were for the off season. Gonna miss
Speaker 1: those conversations and uh, I dealt. Mike McCarthy's a loyal
Speaker 1: viewer of Packers Unscripted. But I have yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling he's not. But he's okay. I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: I got Ben Sheets to send me an autographs. It
Speaker 1: has it has special power sometimes. But yeah, if he's
Speaker 1: out there checking us out, big thank you to him
Speaker 1: for that, all right, and we will call it a
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