Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish
Speaker 1: on First Miss Unfiltered, Episode one sixteen, the final episode
Speaker 1: before the Major League trade deadline, which is on August
Speaker 1: third at six pm. We've had a couple of trades
Speaker 1: here and there, but nothing crazy.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Isaacy is currently on a nice little vacation in Barbados.
Speaker 1: But we are here with Eli Sussman, founder of Fish
Speaker 1: on First and we had aj our co host AJ.
Speaker 1: How we doing. I know you had the Astro series
Speaker 1: didn't go very well, but after that, well I forgot
Speaker 1: it actually got quite worse and Marms lost three more
Speaker 1: and then and then they things started looking for the better.
Speaker 1: But how's everything going?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty crazy times with deadline. We already saw the
Speaker 1: Mets make a move. A couple moves been going on
Speaker 1: here and there, but I think everything is all waiting
Speaker 1: for school to get moved to this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, you know, uh, with Isaac
Speaker 3: being in Barbados, that's that's pretty sick.
Speaker 4: Uh. So I'm a little bit jealous of him.
Speaker 3: I haven't been out there before, but but yeah, man,
Speaker 3: when I was there in Houston, uh, it was the
Speaker 3: Jordaan Alvarez show.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 3: It was impressive to see man and uh, just what.
Speaker 4: He was able to do.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is mate, when he did play uh
Speaker 3: left field, Uh, he was kind of lollygagging on some
Speaker 3: of those seas, taking taking it easy on some of
Speaker 3: the balls. So, uh, it just shows like how how
Speaker 3: impactful his bat is and he was able to win
Speaker 3: some ball games.
Speaker 5: And it was right in the middle of that, of
Speaker 5: that losing streak.
Speaker 3: And you know, we were just talking and I looked
Speaker 3: up the most games that I've been most games that
Speaker 3: I've lost on a in a in a season has
Speaker 3: been eight games in a row.
Speaker 4: And that happened in.
Speaker 3: Actually twenty thirteen, I think it was eleven games that
Speaker 3: we had lost, and then in fourteen was eight games, fifteen,
Speaker 3: it was eight games around there. And when you're in
Speaker 3: those stretches, it seems like you're finding.
Speaker 4: New ways to lose ball games.
Speaker 3: It seems like, you know, first of all, the guys
Speaker 3: that were carrying you, the guys that were hot, those
Speaker 3: are the guys that start to slump.
Speaker 4: And then whereas before those guys would be.
Speaker 3: Kind of carrying you, then all you needed was one
Speaker 3: or two guys producing at least one productive ab, whether
Speaker 3: it be a walk that scores or a base hit
Speaker 3: that scores a run or a stolen base or something
Speaker 3: like that. And when you don't get that production from
Speaker 3: the top of the order, the bottom of the order
Speaker 3: has to kind of take over, and those are the
Speaker 3: guys that haven't been really performing that well. So and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, your better pitchers have a rare,
Speaker 3: rare bad outing right, and it just seems like there's
Speaker 3: you're finding new ways to lose ballgames. Defense is a
Speaker 3: little shaky every once in a while, and then once
Speaker 3: you start getting to the seven eight game losing streaks,
Speaker 3: it seems like, all right, we got to switch something.
Speaker 3: And it's I think even Marci or somebody said it
Speaker 3: in one of the post games, is like, well, oh,
Speaker 3: Niner when he was on MLB network set up, We're
Speaker 3: just happy to have music after the games again, because
Speaker 3: you don't really want to listen to music after those
Speaker 3: long stretches of losing. So it's really cool to Uh,
Speaker 3: I'm happy that.
Speaker 4: That losing streak's over.
Speaker 3: It was great to get it against the Phillies against
Speaker 3: some great pitching. I think it shows that this team
Speaker 3: has a lot of fight in them.
Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, a couple of things on that losing streak
Speaker 2: before we get out of it. The omitted unique is
Speaker 2: that almost all those games were closed too, like them
Speaker 2: were decided by two runs or less throughout the whole thing,
Speaker 2: which on one end tells you like, this team isn't
Speaker 2: that far away from being who we thought they were
Speaker 2: a lot of the season. At the same time, it's
Speaker 2: extra excruciating to have the tying runs come to the
Speaker 2: plate again and again and again and fall up short,
Speaker 2: finding different ways to just be on the losing end
Speaker 2: of those. And then the other thing about how I
Speaker 2: mean in baseball, one of the great things about being
Speaker 2: in a slump is that there's always the next day.
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna have a game to turn things around.
Speaker 2: But this one coincided with the All Star break, so
Speaker 2: it was the only stretch of the whole schedule where
Speaker 2: you have four straight days off to stretch it out
Speaker 2: even longer.
Speaker 6: And that's why as a whole it went seventeen.
Speaker 2: Eighteen days between wins, just because it was kind of
Speaker 2: bad luck in that regard that it like over left
Speaker 2: with a break, which I think from a fans perspective.
Speaker 2: I know people out there made it feel even that
Speaker 2: much worse just because they had to kind of stew.
Speaker 6: In those bad feelings a little bit longer than usual.
Speaker 1: One guy I wanted to shout out during this two guys, actually,
Speaker 1: Griffin Conin first of all, coming out of the break,
Speaker 1: he has a nine to forty seven ops. He has
Speaker 1: four home runs eight RBIs. I mean, very good stretch.
Speaker 1: He had to walk off to snap the streak, then
Speaker 1: hit the game winning homer the uh in that serious
Speaker 1: finale against Philly, and then Bert continues to do what
Speaker 1: he's doing. Is seven and forty four ops, three homer,
Speaker 1: seven RBIs. I mean them two have been hug huge.
Speaker 1: Joe McK as well, he's been really good in this stretch.
Speaker 1: Kind of cool down a little bit offensively this last
Speaker 1: series against the Phillies. But those are three guys that
Speaker 1: have been pretty much a mainstay, especially Conine. With you know,
Speaker 1: the injury to Casey Stowers having to move out from
Speaker 1: to first, he's getting a lot more playing time, and
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what the deadline looks for someone
Speaker 1: like Griff who could potentially go somewhere else to get
Speaker 1: more playing time. At least consistently, and there is a
Speaker 1: lot of need for the outfield. But Eli, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the deadline. This is a very interesting situation. The
Speaker 1: Marlins aren't out of it by any means that they
Speaker 1: are still very much in this race. I think the
Speaker 1: issue isn't the amount of games out, but more the
Speaker 1: amount of teams that are still in it, which is
Speaker 1: kind of why we are hearing the reports and why
Speaker 1: we can kind of confirm more or less that the
Speaker 1: Marls won't be exactly buying it the deadline. They won't
Speaker 1: be acquiring players on one year deals, kind of like
Speaker 1: what we were saying, like a Robbie Ray or Mike
Speaker 1: Waka or those type of players. Unfortunately, it's probably just
Speaker 1: gonna be more of a retool for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: And I think the big thing to note here too
Speaker 1: is the Marlins are in a position where they don't
Speaker 1: need to actually do anything. If they really wanted to,
Speaker 1: they could keep this team exactly how it is. You
Speaker 1: bank on Maximy returning at one point, you hope that
Speaker 1: Anthony Bender returns as well, You get some relievers back,
Speaker 1: and this team could compete for a playoffs. But they're
Speaker 1: all under cloud control for multiple years. The only impending
Speaker 1: for agent is Pete Fairbanks, who the last two outings
Speaker 1: that actually looked really good, probably the two best outings
Speaker 1: of his season against two formidable opponents Phillies, which was
Speaker 1: actually it's just Phillies. Phillies did very well. But Eli,
Speaker 1: where do you think things stand right now? It seems
Speaker 1: like a lot of teams are taking that similar approach,
Speaker 1: except maybe what the Padres and Pirates, who do seem
Speaker 1: like they may be buying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things stood out. One right in
Speaker 2: the middle there you mentioned how they just have somebody
Speaker 2: gas in multiple years of club control, like they can.
Speaker 6: They really like this group.
Speaker 2: There's no pressure to move them because they have these
Speaker 2: guys around for years without having to lift a finger
Speaker 2: on them, and they have them very affordably too. Some
Speaker 2: of the best players on this team that for the
Speaker 2: moment are earning pretty close to the league minimum, and
Speaker 2: they're going to get well deserved raises moving forward. But
Speaker 2: even for a team like the Marlins like there isn't
Speaker 2: that imminent urgency to make a decision on these guys.
Speaker 2: The big elephant in the room hovering over this deadline
Speaker 2: is Tarek Scuoble the Tigers, and the main thing is
Speaker 2: just as much as the fact that he's an amazing
Speaker 2: pitcher and the two time defending say young Wood, whenever,
Speaker 2: it's the fact that he's a pending free agent and
Speaker 2: that the Tigers know that they're probably not going to
Speaker 2: pay him hundreds of millions of dollars to keep them
Speaker 2: the rest of his career. And that's why those are
Speaker 2: the guys that tend to move during the deadlines, is
Speaker 2: rentals or guys that are close to being to free
Speaker 2: agency a little bit. With the Marlins, they just don't
Speaker 2: have a ton of them. You mentioned one of them
Speaker 2: in Pete Fairbanks. And what's really interesting about relievers is
Speaker 2: that it could flip really quickly, Like all the information
Speaker 2: we have about these pictures, if things just tick up
Speaker 2: for even a week at a time at the right time,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, that looks like a guy
Speaker 2: who these teams are able to say they have confidence
Speaker 2: in moving forward. And so it's not the craziest thing
Speaker 2: to imagine Fairbanks in the midst of what's been the
Speaker 2: worst year of his career still being interesting in other clubs.
Speaker 2: And again, the Marlins are in that situation where they
Speaker 2: paid him thirteen million dollars this year and haven't been
Speaker 2: satisfied with the results. So I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 2: be in line to be the highest bidders for him
Speaker 2: this upcoming off season. So that's a situation where even
Speaker 2: if they're gonna try to win games down the stretch,
Speaker 2: even if as you see you here, they're still very
Speaker 2: much in the thick of things. That's that's the name
Speaker 2: that naturally they're going to listen to any offers that
Speaker 2: they may get on him just.
Speaker 6: Because of that.
Speaker 2: But the other complication that you mentioned there is they
Speaker 2: have guys that are injured that one of them, Owen Casey, he's.
Speaker 6: About to come back.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be good news, but just about everybody else
Speaker 2: on the il, their timelines are a little bit more blurry.
Speaker 6: We don't know when.
Speaker 2: Exactly Max is gonna be back. It's it's probably gonna
Speaker 2: be September or the very earliest. And Anthony Bender has
Speaker 2: been such a key piece of this bullpen unhealthy, but
Speaker 2: he's been gone a while and there's still like some
Speaker 2: steps for him to take on his rehab before he's
Speaker 2: even have a firm deadline on him coming back. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of the complication is that you feel like, potentially,
Speaker 2: when this team is whole again health wise, that they
Speaker 2: could reel off another month that they did in June.
Speaker 2: Is just that there's going to be this gap in
Speaker 2: between that what do you do. You're not gonna buy
Speaker 2: for like one month, You're not gonna buy just to
Speaker 2: put together one particular team for August. When you make
Speaker 2: those decisions, I think this team as a whole is
Speaker 2: always going to be long term focused. When they make
Speaker 2: any acquisitions, it's gonna be with the idea of we
Speaker 2: think this guy for the rest of this year and
Speaker 2: potentially for years beyond, this is going to be helpful
Speaker 2: to our team. So that's what it's complicated to swing
Speaker 2: these deals because they're gonna be looking for players that
Speaker 2: can help them now. But as they've been pretty clear
Speaker 2: that they're not gonna be chasing the Schoobls, they're not
Speaker 2: gonna be chasing those under pending free agents. They're going
Speaker 2: to try to find somebody from outside the organization that
Speaker 2: can help them both now and later. And later is
Speaker 2: gonna be the slightly higher priority than.
Speaker 1: Right now, and I think a good example of that
Speaker 1: was what the Nationals did with Curtis Meade swapping and
Speaker 1: for Conley Early. Fortunately me got hurt in his first
Speaker 1: game with the Red Sox. But like you look at that,
Speaker 1: that's both teams addressing a need from I guess from
Speaker 1: the debt from what they had to surplus a debt.
Speaker 1: Right Nationals needed pitching. They get Conley Early, who I
Speaker 1: think is still on the il, but he's gonna be
Speaker 1: back at some point and he's gonna be a huge
Speaker 1: part of their future. Then well, the Red Sox didn't
Speaker 1: need a right handed bat. They got meed and unfortunately
Speaker 1: he's hurt. But ag can you see the Marbins doing
Speaker 1: something like this where they go major league for major leaguer.
Speaker 1: I think that's been a big thing that's been discussed
Speaker 1: this deadline, because, hey, the Martins are in a position
Speaker 1: where they really don't want to trade their prospect. They
Speaker 1: really shouldn't have to, especially if you're not buying. But
Speaker 1: I think a really good case of this could be
Speaker 1: like a Liam Hicks. A lot of teams need catching.
Speaker 1: There's teams that need catching. The catching market is pretty
Speaker 1: much is very thin, especially if the Twins are looking
Speaker 1: to buy, which they did last night, acquiring ag and
Speaker 1: Mentor from Mets. They really don't need to trade Ryan
Speaker 1: Jeffers in that case, so that would be one name
Speaker 1: off the market. Shaylangliers got hurt. That's another name off
Speaker 1: the market. Hicks could be more valuable to another team
Speaker 1: that needs catching than New Orleans who they still believe in.
Speaker 1: Obviously Ramirez that could be behind the play. As much
Speaker 1: as some may disagree with that, they still believe he
Speaker 1: is a catcher and the bat's still there and they
Speaker 1: have Navaretto. They want to go with someone to back
Speaker 1: up Mac for the rest of the season, and they
Speaker 1: clearly like Joe Mack and think he is the catcher
Speaker 1: of the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can definitely see them using Hicks, and because,
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, a lot of teams are looking for that.
Speaker 3: You think about the Yankees and think about some of
Speaker 3: the other teams that really need.
Speaker 4: Some catching and a guy that he's a guy that
Speaker 4: can control the zone.
Speaker 3: He does not a lot of not a swing and
Speaker 3: miss in his in his bat, So a few teams
Speaker 3: can use that. A consistent ab that is going to
Speaker 3: get on Basi's not going to expand the zone and
Speaker 3: also can can do well behind the plate. So he
Speaker 3: is definitely someone that you can get a lot back
Speaker 3: or get a good a decent haul back for or
Speaker 3: could be a major league to major league type thing.
Speaker 4: And most important, it's one of those.
Speaker 3: Situations where the Marnas don't feel like they absolutely need
Speaker 3: to move him as well, so they can they get
Speaker 3: the price can be higher for him because they're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: you want them, this is what it's gonna cost because
Speaker 3: we don't really not really trying to move them. And
Speaker 3: when you're in that that, uh, that situation, I feel
Speaker 3: like you make the best decisions because you're not in
Speaker 3: a you're not deficient in any way. You have everything
Speaker 3: you need. You see how you can maneuve him around
Speaker 3: first base, d h, whatever it is in your rosters.
Speaker 3: So it's not like he's jamming up anybody, and he does.
Speaker 3: He has he's in fits in good with that rotation.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a great clubhouse guy. So it's not
Speaker 3: like you absolutely need to move him. But I definitely
Speaker 3: can see a world where they can get a major
Speaker 3: league type talent back, maybe another arm maybe uh something
Speaker 3: like that, a bullpen bullpen arm from somebody because he
Speaker 3: is a valuable player. He's shown his worth, he's shown
Speaker 3: that he's continued to figure out the process and get
Speaker 3: better as his career is going. So I can definitely
Speaker 3: see a major league to major league type swap for that.
Speaker 1: And that's a big thing too, right because I think
Speaker 1: we see all these reports right now where hey, the
Speaker 1: Marlins are listening to everyone except Sandy Ury and so
Speaker 1: and so. I mean they have to. You have to
Speaker 1: listen there. You can't just say you're gonna hold all
Speaker 1: these players because what if all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: get an offer they can't say no to. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Marlins and the off season weren't actively trying to
Speaker 1: trade Ryan Weathers. I'm sure the kabirthing was a little different,
Speaker 1: but Weather's for sure. You weren't actively trying to move in.
Speaker 1: You get an offer that you can't say no to,
Speaker 1: you got to do it. I think that's why you're
Speaker 1: hearing Auto, Lopez, Xavier Edwards, Hicks all those names out
Speaker 1: there because they have to listen. And it's the right
Speaker 1: thing to do, because if you get an offer for
Speaker 1: Auto that you say, damn, I don't think I could
Speaker 1: pass up on this auto Lopez is gonna be gone,
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate, but he's gonna be gone, and they
Speaker 1: have If there's one thing that the Marlins do have
Speaker 1: in the organization is in field depth, and they could
Speaker 1: probably just go through something, you know, have some sort
Speaker 1: of plan for the remainder of this season, and then
Speaker 1: you have some pretty good prospects for twenty seven. The
Speaker 1: same thing goes with second base and the catching positions
Speaker 1: already filled out. So Elo, how do you think the
Speaker 1: war was attack this deadline? These next couple of days,
Speaker 1: I feel like we are probably gonna start seeing some
Speaker 1: moves between Well, we're recording this Friday, so I'm assuming
Speaker 1: we'll get some more moves here and there as we
Speaker 1: go through this, But Monday is the big day.
Speaker 2: It is annoying how it feels like every year they
Speaker 2: procrastinate more and more, they push it more and more
Speaker 2: to the deadline day itself. The fact that we're three
Speaker 2: days out and I pulled up the list before, like,
Speaker 2: the biggest trade still right now is probably need for
Speaker 2: Connelly Early. The Mets made their first selling trade last night.
Speaker 2: It's sending away aj Minter, guy who's pitched pretty well.
Speaker 2: When healthy, but he's barely been healthy the past couple
Speaker 2: of years, and not quite worried what he was as
Speaker 2: a World Series here five years ago. The only thing
Speaker 2: I wanted to touch on was with Otto. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm alone in this. I think it's
Speaker 2: nuts that his name is even out there a little bit.
Speaker 2: You can't really emphasize how aw he's been this year.
Speaker 2: He's been like, easily this team's most valuable player all
Speaker 2: year long. He is, until like the last day or two,
Speaker 2: is leading the entire major leagues and hitting, and he
Speaker 2: was doing it while playing a good shortstop, and he
Speaker 2: was doing it while being on pace for thirty steals.
Speaker 2: And he's running the prime of his career. And I
Speaker 2: mean every single stat will tell you how awesome he is,
Speaker 2: including just overall value wins above replacement, Like in the
Speaker 2: season ends to stay, he's on MVP ballots. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be top ten in National League MVP race is on
Speaker 2: what he's done this year. He's been a top ten
Speaker 2: player in the National League this entire season. And the
Speaker 2: Marlins having for three more years, I think the idea
Speaker 2: that they can just they have other depth and other options,
Speaker 2: like no offense to the prospects in the system, but
Speaker 2: like it'd be, like, what's funny about it is that
Speaker 2: there's no way you could have imagined when the Marlins
Speaker 2: acquired him as a waiver claim as a DFA guy,
Speaker 2: that he would turn into this I turn into an
Speaker 2: All Star. But at the same time, it's really hard
Speaker 2: to believe even a top prospect. It's hard to assume
Speaker 2: that any prospect is gonna reach this level, even if
Speaker 2: they're really highly rated right now. So to me, I
Speaker 2: just think it creates an amazing void for this team
Speaker 2: at the end of dealing him, and it's a big
Speaker 2: step back when the finances aren't an issue, when the
Speaker 2: personality isn't an issue. Like he's such a core piece
Speaker 2: of this team that I think he's the one guy
Speaker 2: that I would have liked to see the Mardins make
Speaker 2: him off limits. I know that they have through back channels,
Speaker 2: they've kind of made it clear that Joe Mack is
Speaker 2: kind of a keeper for them, And I just feel
Speaker 2: like Otto was in that same conversation. If not, you know,
Speaker 2: he's the better offensive player, and he's also that up
Speaker 2: the middle premium defender as well, Like I would have
Speaker 2: liked to see them kind of send out the feelers,
Speaker 2: like just to make it clear that he's not available.
Speaker 2: In the fact that they're open to it, I think
Speaker 2: it does speak to the reality that this is probably
Speaker 2: gonna be the best year of his career, and I
Speaker 2: guess it is selling high on him if they do
Speaker 2: move him. But at the end of the day, the
Speaker 2: project you're in this to win games. You're in this
Speaker 2: like figure out what's going to be whether it's this
Speaker 2: year or next year that you're actor, like, what's gonna
Speaker 2: be the version of this team that is actually gonna
Speaker 2: sniff championship contention, And to me, he's just such an
Speaker 2: integral piece of that. So I kind of understand almost
Speaker 2: all the other rumors outside of that one, because even
Speaker 2: if they're going to get a lot in return, by
Speaker 2: the time people listen to this will have a mock
Speaker 2: proposal from Kevin out there about a prospect package that
Speaker 2: they could get potentially.
Speaker 6: That would be a fair deal.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's guys that have so
Speaker 2: much haven't done anything. That's generally how this usually goes,
Speaker 2: Like they'll try to thread that needle you just talked about.
Speaker 2: The major leaguer from major leaguer trades, so they'll try
Speaker 2: to get that done. Maybe there is something creative out
Speaker 2: there that I'm not thinking of. It's just that usually
Speaker 2: when somebody is going to make that deal, the vast
Speaker 2: majority of the time, it is major leaguer from minor leaguers,
Speaker 2: And in this case, I just I'm not to me,
Speaker 2: he's just more valuable than any combination of minor leaguers
Speaker 2: out there, just because we've seen him do it. He's
Speaker 2: just a really reliable guy. And even if this is
Speaker 2: the best year of his career, even if he comes
Speaker 2: down to earth afterwards, I think that's a guy that
Speaker 2: you build around that they that has been such a
Speaker 2: great development for them, and so I'd hate for them
Speaker 2: to see him more as an asset instead of just
Speaker 2: being as a you know, a person and it's just
Speaker 2: a key individual with this organization.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on you with that. With with Auto, especially
Speaker 3: like on one hand, I've never really been a big
Speaker 3: prospect type guy. I guess, like I I'm not a scout,
Speaker 3: I'm not in anything like that. I just played with
Speaker 3: some prospects and been around prospects that never made it,
Speaker 3: and and so like when you get someone like Auto Lopez,
Speaker 3: who who's been tried and true and is you know,
Speaker 3: producing a lot like are you sure that a prospect
Speaker 3: is gonna be able to reach that ceiling like like
Speaker 3: you mentioned. But the other thing is, I'm sure they
Speaker 3: have projection models. I'm sure they have all these different things.
Speaker 3: And if it's something where maybe you think that this
Speaker 3: is the best that it can get, then maybe, like
Speaker 3: you mentioned, maybe you do sell high on him to
Speaker 3: get back a good prospect. But again, it's they're not
Speaker 3: in a position that they need to move Auto.
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 3: It's not something that needs to be done so that
Speaker 3: price can be even higher. So I definitely get why
Speaker 3: you you listen on him, but you probably are telling
Speaker 3: other teams that the price is really high. If you
Speaker 3: want him, you can have them, but it's gonna cost
Speaker 3: you exactly.
Speaker 1: And you look at this from Marlin's perspective. Let's say
Speaker 1: they do trade Auto. That's not a very good position
Speaker 1: right now that you want to be in for the
Speaker 1: remainder of this season. You have son Oha, who I
Speaker 1: honestly prefer him as more of a utility guy who
Speaker 1: doesn't really play every day. I think that's where he
Speaker 1: thrives best. I think if you put some in everyday
Speaker 1: role where he has been for the most part this
Speaker 1: season because of injuries or just struggles at their base,
Speaker 1: thing's gonna work out how they wanted it to. He
Speaker 1: really hasn't been great, and I and you know what,
Speaker 1: that's fine, at least for the season. You could go
Speaker 1: through that. But Leo, he meant it as a combo
Speaker 1: of Lao Auto, I mean, sorry, son Oha. I guess
Speaker 1: Maximo Costa would have been the right option in triple A,
Speaker 1: but he's hurt and he hasn't even been good when Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't want to him.
Speaker 2: We've been really quiet about a coast this year. He
Speaker 2: was one of the top prospects in the organization last year.
Speaker 2: He saw him in the Vagleys last year. I think
Speaker 2: as we're speaking right now, he's in an er for
Speaker 2: twenty five slump something like that.
Speaker 6: Does it hurts though?
Speaker 2: I think he's no he recently since it's coming back
Speaker 2: from the injured pless he I would prefer if he
Speaker 2: was hurt right now because he's I think he's hitless
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks that has been Ah, that's
Speaker 2: I think that's just one of those factors that makes
Speaker 2: me think that man that drop off from auto to
Speaker 2: who's ever next in line? I don't know who is
Speaker 2: next in line at that short sided position. And that's
Speaker 2: just something they shouldn't take for granted. They've for a
Speaker 2: lot of this organizations this year. They've been in the wilderness,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to patch shortstop together. And it's uh,
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Speaker 1: I think the second base conversation is the easier want
Speaker 1: to have, and that seems to be the name that
Speaker 1: is popping up more X. I know twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: I know or good buddy Craig Mischa told us that
Speaker 1: he almost got traded to the Nationals and the Janimercondalario trade.
Speaker 1: I know there in for X back in this offseason especially,
Speaker 1: Boston was looking for a guy Boston back on the market.
Speaker 1: The Athletic reporting that Xavier Edwards is a name of
Speaker 1: interest for the Red Sox. We obviously know the reports
Speaker 1: for Auto, but X as well, and X probably seems
Speaker 1: to be a guy that is more attainable than Auto,
Speaker 1: and I think the long term plan at second base
Speaker 1: is a little bit easier as well. What would be
Speaker 1: your thoughts there with X drawing trader and interest, especially
Speaker 1: at a time where he has been struggling a little
Speaker 1: bit this, you know, since coming out of the All
Speaker 1: Star break, finally seems to be getting it going. But
Speaker 1: you look at the overall body of work, it is
Speaker 1: very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean X is a phenomenal player. He's a
Speaker 3: guy that is a good clubhouse guy. He's work I think,
Speaker 3: is great switch hitter, he doesn't strike out much, he
Speaker 3: knows his own. He had gone through a little bit
Speaker 3: of a stretch there, but I mean that that happens
Speaker 3: throughout the season no matter how good you are, So
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I mean he's a little bit more attainable,
Speaker 3: like you guys mentioned than Otto Lopez. And I mean
Speaker 3: when you look at if you know it does go
Speaker 3: through or if you know Boston is after him, I
Speaker 3: mean you understand why you'd want him on the roster.
Speaker 4: You'd be a good fit there with their style of play.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, I definitely think that that's there's somebody.
Speaker 3: I mean, again, you listen to all these guys. And
Speaker 3: you guys mentioned Pete Fagut Fairbanks earlier. You know, he's
Speaker 3: fifteen for sixteen to save opportunities, you know, and and he's.
Speaker 5: His underlying numbers are great.
Speaker 3: It's just you go through a stretch where you just
Speaker 3: start giving up runs for whatever reason, maybe not having
Speaker 3: the best season of his of his career, but a
Speaker 3: couple of those are blow up games. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I mean you listen to all these guys. You you
Speaker 3: try to see who you can get the most for
Speaker 3: what the best fits that you can get from whatever
Speaker 3: organization that's reaching out, And you try to because it's
Speaker 3: not just for this year, it's for the future. And
Speaker 3: and so if you think that you can get someone
Speaker 3: or something back that is going to produce more than
Speaker 3: what you have with X, then for sure, you're gonna
Speaker 3: listen to it. And I like the way that they
Speaker 3: evaluate players.
Speaker 4: To the Marlins do.
Speaker 3: It feels like they have more of an understanding of
Speaker 3: how to maximize each prospect to get the most out
Speaker 3: of them. So I feel like when if they do
Speaker 3: trade one of these core guys, that they're gonna get
Speaker 3: something back that is gonna help out have a good
Speaker 3: shot with that, you know they'll be able to use
Speaker 3: their system to optimize.
Speaker 4: Whoever they get back for that. But yeah, you definitely
Speaker 4: got to.
Speaker 3: Listen to everyone that's reaching out for all these players
Speaker 3: and try to see come up with the best deal
Speaker 3: to be better in the future. Because they're on their way.
Speaker 3: They're real close to being contenders every year, like they
Speaker 3: have this process, So just making sure that you have
Speaker 3: that in mind and that you don't give away something
Speaker 3: that is gonna make that process longer. You want to
Speaker 3: make sure you get some stuff back that's going to
Speaker 3: shorten that gap. Keep shortening that gap so that you're
Speaker 3: gonna be a four in this national league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the final thing worth noting here before we
Speaker 1: move on is Peter Bendix wants to win next year.
Speaker 1: I think that is very obvious. This team is a
Speaker 1: good team for the most part. Another twelve game losing
Speaker 1: streat and I think fully represents you know, this team.
Speaker 1: I think you know, you look at the games. It
Speaker 1: was losing by three runs or less almost all of
Speaker 1: them except maybe one of them. So that's one thing.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that Peter Benex has said on
Speaker 1: the record is that, like you know, he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing his job if he doesn't listen, And that kind
Speaker 1: of goes back on like you gotta listen on these guys,
Speaker 1: although I do agree you should not be listening on Auto.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta listen on the rest of the guys.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about two guys who won't
Speaker 1: get traded, Sandy el Contra and Urie Press. Sandy has
Speaker 1: been looking like Sandy. I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: it is now knowing the assurance that he won't get
Speaker 1: moved this this trade deadline in his last eleven starts.
Speaker 1: So looking from June on he has a two nine
Speaker 1: to ninety or a three six one fifth. He he's
Speaker 1: been really good. There's another way to say it. He
Speaker 1: just came off his one hundred and eleventh career. You're
Speaker 1: quality outing the most enfranchised history, surpassing Rick in Alasko
Speaker 1: seven shutout inning and seven shutout innings in a one
Speaker 1: to zero win against the Philadelphia Phillies.
Speaker 4: AJ.
Speaker 1: What do you seeing from Sandy? This is starting to
Speaker 1: look like the Sandy we saw before the TJ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's subtle changes. Honestly, it's it's more of
Speaker 3: his command being on the corners and executing those pitches
Speaker 3: on both sides of the plate. I mentioned before that
Speaker 3: whenever he has his bad outings, it's when his the
Speaker 3: pitches in the are in the middle of the plate.
Speaker 3: And I did a breakdown a little bit on one
Speaker 3: of the the pregame shows and showed the outings where
Speaker 3: he was the worst is whenever the grouping of all
Speaker 3: of his pitches were dense in the middle of the plate.
Speaker 3: It didn't even matter if it's at the top of
Speaker 3: the zone or the bottom of the zone. For whatever reason,
Speaker 3: guys are able like his stuff doesn't break as well
Speaker 3: when it's in the middle of the plate, and so
Speaker 3: they're they're teeing off on him when he gets stuck
Speaker 3: in the middle of the plate. But whenever he's on
Speaker 3: the corners, when he throws that change that goes armside,
Speaker 3: that just falls just off the plate, when he throws
Speaker 3: that for sea that's up in the zone, when he
Speaker 3: throws his breaking balls at are gloves side, just off
Speaker 3: the plate and landing that that back door slider that
Speaker 3: he throws back door that cut her back door, that's.
Speaker 4: Whenever he's the best.
Speaker 5: And then it could be a little bit of knowing
Speaker 5: of the security of I'm not gonna get moved, honestly, whenever,
Speaker 5: whenever I was in trade conversations, and even you know,
Speaker 5: David Samsum told me, hey, you're gonna get moved.
Speaker 3: H you know, we're shopping you. You're more than likely
Speaker 3: you're gonna get traded. It was hard not to think
Speaker 3: about that because you start wondering, you know, where am
Speaker 3: I gonna go? What's it gonna be? Like there's a
Speaker 3: little bit of excitement in there, but it's energy taken
Speaker 3: away from what you have to do at the field.
Speaker 3: I remember that guy was they were I was asking
Speaker 3: him like, oh, so, who are some of the teams
Speaker 3: and he was talking about the Rockies.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I don't want to pitch.
Speaker 3: And even though my numbers were good there, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was only I only had to pitch a few
Speaker 3: games there, you know. So I was like, oh, no, please,
Speaker 3: not like Colorado. And he's like, ah, we gotta get
Speaker 3: the best deal, you know, like Samson's voice, so you know.
Speaker 3: And then so when when you're Sandy and it's been
Speaker 3: constant talk about, you know, getting traded, and a year
Speaker 3: after year, and then to finally hear the owner say,
Speaker 3: you know, he's we're not looking to trade him. Has
Speaker 3: to be some sort of comforting sensation and just worrying
Speaker 3: about trying to be the best you can out there.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was always that element of him trying
Speaker 3: to go out there and be the best version, but
Speaker 3: he's human. Off the field, stuff will will come in
Speaker 3: to a certain degree and it happens to the best
Speaker 3: of the best, and it could be one of those
Speaker 3: things where he'll never admit to it, but he feels
Speaker 3: a little bit lighter on top of you know, he
Speaker 3: was never pitching really bad. It was just execution was just,
Speaker 3: I mean literally like a little bit off. And now
Speaker 3: that he's hitting those corners, it seems like he's thrown
Speaker 3: with a lot of confidence, and uh yeah, he's he's
Speaker 3: the Cavao again.
Speaker 1: I think I want to get into Zieri, who just
Speaker 1: came off a very nice adding against the New York Matts.
Speaker 1: Six innings, three hits, two runs, one of those was earned.
Speaker 1: Struck out six walk two in his last ten outings
Speaker 1: since starts. This includes the tampon where he gave up
Speaker 1: the five runs. He's a two to two ERA three
Speaker 1: to two FIP I mean, I think a big reason
Speaker 1: for this, and I think you look back at that
Speaker 1: start against Tampa from there on, that's when he started
Speaker 1: adding the sinker to his pitch. Makes how much do
Speaker 1: you think that's made an impact for him?
Speaker 4: Aj?
Speaker 1: I know the pitch hasn't actually graded out at league
Speaker 1: average or above that, but I still think it's just
Speaker 1: less usage. Probably needs to use it a little more
Speaker 1: to up that that run value. I think it's that
Speaker 1: negative one right now. May have gone up after last
Speaker 1: night's start, but just how important has that pitch been
Speaker 1: to play out the fast ball in his other pitches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's throw in that sinker fifteen percent, which is
Speaker 3: the second most pitch that he's thrown.
Speaker 4: Other than slider.
Speaker 3: He throws his four team forty one percent. And that
Speaker 3: sinker it gets what's the average on it? It gets
Speaker 3: fourteen inches of or fifteen inches of tail, almost sixteen
Speaker 3: inches of tail. Then you add that to his for team,
Speaker 3: that has a lot of ride on it, and it
Speaker 3: probably comes out of his hand similar it's just an
Speaker 3: extra wrinkle so that when he does throw his sweeper
Speaker 3: and maybe it does get over the plate because sometimes
Speaker 3: he tends to leave it armside and it kind of
Speaker 3: flutters over the plate when it starts off in that zone.
Speaker 3: Even if it's over the plate, it starts out it
Speaker 3: comes out the same slot as that sinker, and so
Speaker 3: maybe they think a sinker's coming for I mean just
Speaker 3: a fraction of a second, and that gets guys off
Speaker 3: to whenever it throws, the slider goes in the middle
Speaker 3: of the zone, guys mishit it. So it's just something to
Speaker 3: add a little bit of something to more confidence in it. Honestly,
Speaker 3: he's to me, his demeanor on the Mounta has been great.
Speaker 3: He's even shaken off, which is a good sign. And
Speaker 3: because he he feels like he wants to throw a
Speaker 3: certain pitch. And when a pitcher has convince conviction in
Speaker 3: his pitches, honestly, that that matters more than sometimes the
Speaker 3: right pitch. When you throw a pitch with conviction, a
Speaker 3: lot of times it works out for you over then
Speaker 3: throwing a.
Speaker 7: Pitch that's the right technically the right pitch.
Speaker 4: But you don't feel confident in it.
Speaker 3: That that's you know, it doesn't work out a lot
Speaker 3: most of the time there, even if it is the
Speaker 3: right pitch. So shaking off understanding what pitch he wants
Speaker 3: to throw. He's really starting to to to hone in
Speaker 3: on that, and yeah, he's shaping up to be what
Speaker 3: everyone thought he could be, and he still has some
Speaker 3: growing to do, and it's it's fun to watch man
Speaker 3: and this guy.
Speaker 4: This guy's a freak.
Speaker 2: He touched on something that I think is pretty more
Speaker 2: about the shaking off And actually it's me that you
Speaker 2: can tell with some pictures that they're kind of along
Speaker 2: for the ride. They're almost a passenger in their own
Speaker 2: like fishing experience or like they you know, whatever, whatever sign.
Speaker 6: They get, they'll they'll go with.
Speaker 2: But I like the guys that are involved enough and
Speaker 2: that you know, I have a conviction, but like just
Speaker 2: overall take take themselves seriously enough that they want to
Speaker 2: be part of that decision making process and are willing
Speaker 2: to and are also able to better understand themselves. I
Speaker 2: think that's part of it too, is like recognizing, like
Speaker 2: this pitch is what I really feel good with today,
Speaker 2: this is what in this particular matchup. I've done my
Speaker 2: prep and I think this is actually going to work
Speaker 2: right here, and being proactive that like more involved part
Speaker 2: of that process. I love to see that going back
Speaker 2: to the sinker too. One thing that it does that
Speaker 2: I've been following throughout Ury's career is it gives him
Speaker 2: another tool to get self contact on the grounds because
Speaker 2: he's spent such an extreme flyball pitcher when he came
Speaker 2: into the league, and he was successful that way as
Speaker 2: a rookie too, and you know last year up and
Speaker 2: down as well. And the difference now compared to a
Speaker 2: couple years ago in terms of how many ground balls
Speaker 2: he gets is huge.
Speaker 6: Like he was the most.
Speaker 2: Extreme flyball guy in all of baseball a few years
Speaker 2: ago and now he's pretty close to get into league average.
Speaker 2: Now you can actually like slice it up by different
Speaker 2: pitch types. Of the sinker is the one where the
Speaker 2: launch angle off that pitch is lower than any of
Speaker 2: his other pitches, so kind of actually measures out what
Speaker 2: the eye test when it comes to that is that's
Speaker 2: going to be his most reliable source to get those
Speaker 2: grounders and for the time being, and going back to
Speaker 2: some of these trade candidates, like I love the defense
Speaker 2: of Marlins get up the middle, and the part of
Speaker 2: that process is how that, like all connects, is that
Speaker 2: those guys are going to convert those grounders into out
Speaker 2: some very very high percentage of the time makes your
Speaker 2: pitchers better when you have really good defenders in the
Speaker 2: middle infield the way the Marlins have the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, and it's good to see you're kind of
Speaker 2: utilizing that more so than he has in the past.
Speaker 2: He's a guy entering this year I thought he was
Speaker 2: going to be the best pitcher on the team, and
Speaker 2: it took him a while to get there, and I
Speaker 2: think he has gone there. It's a great competition now
Speaker 2: between him and Sandy. That's the thing is him and Sandy.
Speaker 6: People know this. They've been so close.
Speaker 2: To each other for ever since Yeary was a teenager,
Speaker 2: like Sandy has taken him under his wing. They've had
Speaker 2: that great relationship. And the awkward part is there's been
Speaker 2: like so few patches during their careers where they've both
Speaker 2: been pitching healthy, both been healthy and pitching well at.
Speaker 6: The same time.
Speaker 2: And this is this is really it, Like this is
Speaker 2: the clearest overlap that we've had of that, which is
Speaker 2: just so much fun. So it does seem very likely
Speaker 2: that we're going to see that the rest of this year,
Speaker 2: to have that competition, that very friendly competition between the
Speaker 2: gray Beard the veteran and the up and coming guy
Speaker 2: that has just as much raw potential. So that's gonna
Speaker 2: be having those two on top of your rotation. That's
Speaker 2: such an important foundational aspect of this Marlins team, at
Speaker 2: least for the rest of this year, hopefully for next
Speaker 2: year and beyond.
Speaker 6: Two.
Speaker 1: Last thing I wanted to touch on real quick is
Speaker 1: Jacob Marcy. You were there a j when when Clayton
Speaker 1: announced that he wouldn't be playing every single day anymore
Speaker 1: against that's much specifically right handed pitching. Marcy had been,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy who had played almost every single
Speaker 1: game for this Martland steam ump until that finale against Houston.
Speaker 1: Since then, he's actually been pretty good. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a very small sample size, but he still gets
Speaker 1: on base. He plays good defense. The base running hasn't
Speaker 1: been the best recently, but overall, you know, you look
Speaker 1: the overall body work with that, it's been overall pretty good.
Speaker 1: But you know, hits the homer the other day yesterday
Speaker 1: actually New York, and he's five for twenty two, which
Speaker 1: is a nine to fifty eight oh PS two ninety
Speaker 1: four batting average. He's getting on base like this. This
Speaker 1: is the Jacob Marcy that we that the Mardel Zee
Speaker 1: over at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean his defense.
Speaker 3: I mean that's he's made some amazing plays on defense
Speaker 3: man and what he does out there is honestly what
Speaker 3: kept him in the lineup for a long time while
Speaker 3: he was going through those stretches. And I feel like
Speaker 3: one thing I like about what he's doing is he's
Speaker 3: consistent with his approach. He hasn't tried to switch things around.
Speaker 4: He's still really patient.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times when guys, if you're
Speaker 3: working on your patients, working on trying to define your zone,
Speaker 3: when you start getting too these stretches, playing like Marcy
Speaker 3: has played like previously, with the exception of the last
Speaker 3: seven games where he's hitting two ninety four, you start
Speaker 3: to press and you start to swing out of the zone.
Speaker 3: You start to overswing and try to swing your way
Speaker 3: out of the of like the slump. But it seems
Speaker 3: like he's even though he's going through this, he's going
Speaker 3: through a downturn as a opposed to like last year,
Speaker 3: he's still he's learning that process of figuring out the
Speaker 3: zone when he needs to pull the trigger, when he
Speaker 3: needs to swing early or whatever.
Speaker 4: He's still he's still.
Speaker 3: Getting that process. So I like that he's sticking to
Speaker 3: his guns. It's showing that all right, I'm really gonna
Speaker 3: figure this this this out, because at this point, if
Speaker 3: you try to switch everything up, that's whenever you really
Speaker 3: see a drop off and mentally you start getting it's
Speaker 3: it's worse because you're like you're lost as to a
Speaker 3: certain degree. At least right now, Uh, you're trusting the process.
Speaker 3: The process is finally maybe starting to turn a little bit.
Speaker 3: You start see him hitting, You start seeing him a
Speaker 3: little bit more confidence in the box when he's walking
Speaker 3: up there. So it's only a matter of time before
Speaker 3: you refine that process just enough, just tweak small little
Speaker 3: tweaks here and there to when they're you're hitting a
Speaker 3: consistent at a consistent level, producing at a consistent level,
Speaker 3: and then that's when it's full proof as opposed to
Speaker 3: switching from here all had a little bit of success.
Speaker 3: Now I gotta switch again, and switching and switching and switching,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I think right now
Speaker 3: he's refining his process. It's starting to kind of come through.
Speaker 3: So hopefully he continues to on the up and up
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's five outs above average in the outfield this season,
Speaker 1: and he's walking twelve point ze percent of the time.
Speaker 1: And you know he struck out twenty percent last year
Speaker 1: and he's just a little higher this year twenty two percent. Still,
Speaker 1: that's that's fine at this level, That's totally fine.
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Speaker 1: All right, last thing I wanted to get into aj
Speaker 1: Obviously from the player's perspective, you you've been in the
Speaker 1: clubhouse for many trade deadlines. What is that like these
Speaker 1: last couple of days. We spoke about what it is
Speaker 1: like leading up to these last couple of days. Now
Speaker 1: we're in this final stretch here where the names really begin.
Speaker 1: You begin to see names linked with teams, you actually
Speaker 1: begin to see trades. What is the clubhouse like?
Speaker 4: What was your.
Speaker 1: Experience like when you when you did get moved, and
Speaker 1: how if you have any stories of anyone who got moved.
Speaker 1: That was kind of one of on the crazier side
Speaker 1: of things when when you worry on the marls or
Speaker 1: on the mets, and because people don't see this human
Speaker 1: aspect of it, having to switch cities, move to a
Speaker 1: new city. Talk a little bit about that too, because
Speaker 1: that's definitely the tough part as well.
Speaker 3: So I think about it now, if I were to
Speaker 3: have to, if I would have got traded and I
Speaker 3: had my two daughters and my wife and have to
Speaker 3: uproot them and move and people think, oh, you have money,
Speaker 3: you have hiring movers, you can hire all this different
Speaker 3: you know, hire all these different people.
Speaker 4: But it's still a process.
Speaker 3: That is it's tough because your your kids have made friends,
Speaker 3: your wife has made friends, you have your own routine,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden it gets uprooted and
Speaker 3: you got to go somewhere else. Luckily, for me, when
Speaker 3: I got traded, it was just me. I was single
Speaker 3: and I was living with G with John Carlos Stanton,
Speaker 3: and we I had because before I know it's gonna
Speaker 3: get traded. I rented a hotel room at the SATAI
Speaker 3: and it was like it's an apartment. It's an apartment
Speaker 3: basically a residence, and so it was a two bedroom.
Speaker 3: We will stay out there because I wanted to live
Speaker 3: on the beach for a little bit because I knew
Speaker 3: that it was gonna I was gonna get traded and
Speaker 3: so uh but that was the hardest part, honestly, is
Speaker 3: moving away and leaving people that were your boys, your friends,
Speaker 3: that that that you had love for. So I remember, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, with G, I was like, damn that that
Speaker 3: was a good run we had.
Speaker 4: Here in Miami. You know, I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: You know, the teams we were on, I.
Speaker 3: Had great chemistry, but never could really win anything. And
Speaker 3: so be moving whole organizations something that was so familiar,
Speaker 3: uh to going I went. I got traded to the Mets,
Speaker 3: and it was, I guess, an easier transition, only because
Speaker 3: we play the Mets all the time.
Speaker 4: They're in division and so I knew a lot of
Speaker 4: the guys.
Speaker 3: But still, when you get into a clubhouse, especially when
Speaker 3: they trade for you, there is amount of pressure that
Speaker 3: comes with that, And honestly, for me, I loved it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, I want to be I want to
Speaker 3: be that that centerpiece that helps these guys go to
Speaker 3: the playoffs and reach the World Series and all these
Speaker 3: different things. And so you know, but when you get
Speaker 3: into a different clubhouse, especially when you get traded, I
Speaker 3: think for the most part, everyone understands it's a business.
Speaker 4: They know it's not the player's fault if you get traded,
Speaker 4: so everyone it was. It was a good experience with that.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, with that Mets team, I went over there and
Speaker 3: they weren't winning any ball games either. It was all
Speaker 3: wouldn't it wasn't a good, a good time with that aspect,
Speaker 3: but but yeah, it's a it's an awkward time for sure,
Speaker 3: And then when it finally happens, you think you're kind
Speaker 3: of mentally prepared for it, but there's still a lot
Speaker 3: of things you didn't account for. But ultimately, when you
Speaker 3: step onto that baseball field and you get out there
Speaker 3: and practice and stuff, that's whenever everything gets oh okay,
Speaker 3: it's just baseball but in a different city. But inside
Speaker 3: the clubhouse, Uh, it's definitely something you try not to
Speaker 3: focus on, especially if you're know you're going.
Speaker 4: To trade some guys away or you need forgetting some guys.
Speaker 3: You're just focused on who's in that locker room at
Speaker 3: that very moment and kind of running with that and
Speaker 3: whoever comes or whoever goes, whatever the swap is, you
Speaker 3: try to make the best of it. And because your
Speaker 3: job is your job isn't to play GM. Your job
Speaker 3: is to go out there and win some ballgames and
Speaker 3: play well. So that's ultimately what you focus on. But
Speaker 3: the human aspect does come into play in those situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to the Marlins credit, I mean I was
Speaker 1: there for this last year's against Philly. It's business as usual,
Speaker 1: those don't really feel tense, especially after the losing streak
Speaker 1: is over. I think it's actually a lot more loose
Speaker 1: in there, and honestly was a lot more tense thirn
Speaker 1: the losing streak itself. But yeah, no, they've I also
Speaker 1: think it's a young team that has a lot of
Speaker 1: control left, you know, so they I don't think they're
Speaker 1: you know, you hear the names and all that, but
Speaker 1: it's maybe a little different for a team that they
Speaker 1: know they have a lot of years of control, and
Speaker 1: it's maybe a little bit unlikely that they are moved,
Speaker 1: especially a guy like a Joe Mack or even Anatto.
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets traded at the end. But
Speaker 1: last thing I want to get into, we won't exactly
Speaker 1: predict trades, but we will predict the amount. So we
Speaker 1: do this every year. I'm gonna set the number pretty low.
Speaker 1: Three and a half. I think this is I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't go hire them that twenty twenty four was
Speaker 1: a little different, you know, twenty five, well mostly even
Speaker 1: than I'm set eli four and a half.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, just to recap though, the previous couple of
Speaker 2: deadlines under Peter Bendix in twenty twenty four, we counted
Speaker 2: eight deals as deadline deals. They made six on the
Speaker 2: day of the deadline itself and then a couple where
Speaker 2: before called it eight of them in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Last year was only two. Last year was only Nick four,
Speaker 2: t Is going way and Hay Sisanchez going to Houston,
Speaker 2: and that was it.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, you picked a number kind of up right
Speaker 6: in the middle there where, Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: Is a good number. But three and a half, and
Speaker 2: in this case, yeah, I root for more, you know,
Speaker 2: selfishly as somebody that runs like Marlinside, the people deep
Speaker 2: down they just want to see activity, even if it
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, Like the fans don't know what's good
Speaker 2: for them, they just know that it's entertaining when the
Speaker 2: players change teams. So I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 2: out there they instinctually they're hoping for the under the
Speaker 2: over on that, but I'll go under. I think it's
Speaker 2: either two or three. I'll say three, that they get
Speaker 2: done a little bit more active than last year, and
Speaker 2: I think there will be something more substant angel then.
Speaker 2: All due respect to for Test and Sanchez, but they
Speaker 2: were kind of extra pieces that had kind of fallen
Speaker 2: into these.
Speaker 6: More limited roles.
Speaker 2: So I think we see something a little sexier with them,
Speaker 2: probably one of those names that are out there.
Speaker 6: Who knows which.
Speaker 2: One will be among them, But yeah, I think they
Speaker 2: get to three trades once the dust settles on Monday.
Speaker 4: Hey, Jay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: have fun. I'm gonna go over four. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna know who.
Speaker 3: But for for it's gonna be and and we'll see,
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it's gonna be a lot of excitement. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be it's gonna be exciting. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the under I'm gonna say they
Speaker 1: make two trades. I think I just don't see them.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll entertain a lot of offers. We'll be
Speaker 1: hearing that they almost made deals like last year, but
Speaker 1: they won't exactly go. You know, they won't pass the
Speaker 1: finish line on those. I think they make two trades.
Speaker 1: So we'll wrap it up here. This is the last
Speaker 1: podcast that we'll do before the trade on at least
Speaker 1: fun Filtered. I know we have the last stream on
Speaker 1: Sunday after that Mets series, so and then we have
Speaker 1: the last stream on Monday. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about what that'll look like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be fun. I think we've done that
Speaker 2: in the previous couple of years. Sometimes they've made a
Speaker 2: messy and the Marlins have a game that overlaps the deadline,
Speaker 2: but this time they've cleared the runway.
Speaker 6: It's an off day for the team. Deadlines at six PM.
Speaker 2: I think we'll go live right around five, so there'll
Speaker 2: probably be some moves done before that moment for us
Speaker 2: to discuss, and then we'll go through the deadline. And
Speaker 2: the most fun to me is the fifteen minutes or
Speaker 2: so after the deadline passes, because there's still time for
Speaker 2: something to get done even if it hasn't leaked publicly yet,
Speaker 2: it hasn't been announced, So those fifteen minutes that's why
Speaker 2: we stay on after the deadline passes, because just in
Speaker 2: case something might sneak under the wire that reporters didn't
Speaker 2: get any news of yet, So that suspense is gonna
Speaker 2: be big. That'll be a Yeah, that'll be a fun show. Well,
Speaker 2: we don't regardless of how much or how little happens,
Speaker 2: so we'll have our instant analysis of that on Monday
Speaker 2: during the off day. Looking forward to having a lot
Speaker 2: of people tune in for that.
Speaker 1: YEP, So we'll wrap it up here. The next time
Speaker 1: we'll be honest to talk about these trades with A. J.
Speaker 1: Will be also with Eli, Isaac will be hopefully back
Speaker 1: from his Barbados trip, and then I'll see you guys
Speaker 1: all next week. Peace out, and as always, go fish.