WEBVTT - Why Marlins Enter Trade Deadline in Position of Strength 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.559 Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:26.120 on First Miss Unfiltered, Episode one sixteen, the final episode 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.480 before the Major League trade deadline, which is on August 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.200 third at six pm. We've had a couple of trades 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:33.879 here and there, but nothing crazy. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:33.960 No. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.200 Isaacy is currently on a nice little vacation in Barbados. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.920 But we are here with Eli Sussman, founder of Fish 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:41.720 on First and we had aj our co host AJ. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.040 How we doing. I know you had the Astro series 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.320 didn't go very well, but after that, well I forgot 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.240 it actually got quite worse and Marms lost three more 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.320 and then and then they things started looking for the better. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.480 But how's everything going? 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:55.600 So? 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.480 Yeah, pretty crazy times with deadline. We already saw the 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.680 Mets make a move. A couple moves been going on 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.240 here and there, but I think everything is all waiting 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.000 for school to get moved to this point. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.800 Yeah, well, first of all, you know, uh, with Isaac 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.400 being in Barbados, that's that's pretty sick. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.200 Uh. So I'm a little bit jealous of him. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.440 I haven't been out there before, but but yeah, man, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.440 when I was there in Houston, uh, it was the 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:21.679 Jordaan Alvarez show. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:22.560 He was. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.840 It was impressive to see man and uh, just what. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:27.840 He was able to do. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.400 And what's crazy is mate, when he did play uh 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.120 left field, Uh, he was kind of lollygagging on some 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.920 of those seas, taking taking it easy on some of 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.080 the balls. So, uh, it just shows like how how 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.400 impactful his bat is and he was able to win 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:44.080 some ball games. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:45.360 And it was right in the middle of that, of 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:46.640 that losing streak. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.760 And you know, we were just talking and I looked 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:54.000 up the most games that I've been most games that 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.360 I've lost on a in a in a season has 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.240 been eight games in a row. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.560 And that happened in. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.080 Actually twenty thirteen, I think it was eleven games that 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.800 we had lost, and then in fourteen was eight games, fifteen, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.560 it was eight games around there. And when you're in 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.840 those stretches, it seems like you're finding. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.959 New ways to lose ball games. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.480 It seems like, you know, first of all, the guys 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.600 that were carrying you, the guys that were hot, those 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.400 are the guys that start to slump. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.919 And then whereas before those guys would be. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.760 Kind of carrying you, then all you needed was one 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.120 or two guys producing at least one productive ab, whether 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.120 it be a walk that scores or a base hit 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.320 that scores a run or a stolen base or something 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.400 like that. And when you don't get that production from 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.960 the top of the order, the bottom of the order 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.360 has to kind of take over, and those are the 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.400 guys that haven't been really performing that well. So and 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.320 then all of a sudden, your better pitchers have a rare, 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.240 rare bad outing right, and it just seems like there's 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.560 you're finding new ways to lose ballgames. Defense is a 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.519 little shaky every once in a while, and then once 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.720 you start getting to the seven eight game losing streaks, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.120 it seems like, all right, we got to switch something. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.600 And it's I think even Marci or somebody said it 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.720 in one of the post games, is like, well, oh, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.600 Niner when he was on MLB network set up, We're 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.280 just happy to have music after the games again, because 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.320 you don't really want to listen to music after those 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.520 long stretches of losing. So it's really cool to Uh, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:26.680 I'm happy that. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.679 That losing streak's over. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.920 It was great to get it against the Phillies against 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.080 some great pitching. I think it shows that this team 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.040 has a lot of fight in them. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.280 Still, Yeah, a couple of things on that losing streak 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.240 before we get out of it. The omitted unique is 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.080 that almost all those games were closed too, like them 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.480 were decided by two runs or less throughout the whole thing, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.200 which on one end tells you like, this team isn't 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.440 that far away from being who we thought they were 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.520 a lot of the season. At the same time, it's 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.960 extra excruciating to have the tying runs come to the 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.880 plate again and again and again and fall up short, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.880 finding different ways to just be on the losing end 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.480 of those. And then the other thing about how I 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.360 mean in baseball, one of the great things about being 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.040 in a slump is that there's always the next day. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.880 You're probably gonna have a game to turn things around. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.240 But this one coincided with the All Star break, so 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.280 it was the only stretch of the whole schedule where 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.400 you have four straight days off to stretch it out 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:17.000 even longer. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.120 And that's why as a whole it went seventeen. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.320 Eighteen days between wins, just because it was kind of 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.760 bad luck in that regard that it like over left 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.200 with a break, which I think from a fans perspective. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.400 I know people out there made it feel even that 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.159 much worse just because they had to kind of stew. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.080 In those bad feelings a little bit longer than usual. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.000 One guy I wanted to shout out during this two guys, actually, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.679 Griffin Conin first of all, coming out of the break, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.080 he has a nine to forty seven ops. He has 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.600 four home runs eight RBIs. I mean, very good stretch. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.040 He had to walk off to snap the streak, then 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.279 hit the game winning homer the uh in that serious 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.000 finale against Philly, and then Bert continues to do what 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.440 he's doing. Is seven and forty four ops, three homer, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.240 seven RBIs. I mean them two have been hug huge. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.400 Joe McK as well, he's been really good in this stretch. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.520 Kind of cool down a little bit offensively this last 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.000 series against the Phillies. But those are three guys that 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.760 have been pretty much a mainstay, especially Conine. With you know, 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.520 the injury to Casey Stowers having to move out from 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.320 to first, he's getting a lot more playing time, and 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.760 I'm curious to see what the deadline looks for someone 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.200 like Griff who could potentially go somewhere else to get 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.640 more playing time. At least consistently, and there is a 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.480 lot of need for the outfield. But Eli, let's talk 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.120 about the deadline. This is a very interesting situation. The 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.400 Marlins aren't out of it by any means that they 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.120 are still very much in this race. I think the 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.599 issue isn't the amount of games out, but more the 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.560 amount of teams that are still in it, which is 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.240 kind of why we are hearing the reports and why 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.440 we can kind of confirm more or less that the 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.640 Marls won't be exactly buying it the deadline. They won't 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.560 be acquiring players on one year deals, kind of like 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.680 what we were saying, like a Robbie Ray or Mike 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.240 Waka or those type of players. Unfortunately, it's probably just 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.320 gonna be more of a retool for twenty twenty seven. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.480 And I think the big thing to note here too 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.640 is the Marlins are in a position where they don't 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.919 need to actually do anything. If they really wanted to, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.240 they could keep this team exactly how it is. You 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.680 bank on Maximy returning at one point, you hope that 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.799 Anthony Bender returns as well, You get some relievers back, 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.200 and this team could compete for a playoffs. But they're 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.479 all under cloud control for multiple years. The only impending 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.800 for agent is Pete Fairbanks, who the last two outings 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.960 that actually looked really good, probably the two best outings 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.840 of his season against two formidable opponents Phillies, which was 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.480 actually it's just Phillies. Phillies did very well. But Eli, 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.320 where do you think things stand right now? It seems 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.400 like a lot of teams are taking that similar approach, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.239 except maybe what the Padres and Pirates, who do seem 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:40.719 like they may be buying. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.680 Yeah, a couple of things stood out. One right in 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.520 the middle there you mentioned how they just have somebody 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.320 gas in multiple years of club control, like they can. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:50.880 They really like this group. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.640 There's no pressure to move them because they have these 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.640 guys around for years without having to lift a finger 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.680 on them, and they have them very affordably too. Some 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.800 of the best players on this team that for the 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.960 moment are earning pretty close to the league minimum, and 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.200 they're going to get well deserved raises moving forward. But 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.520 even for a team like the Marlins like there isn't 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.400 that imminent urgency to make a decision on these guys. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.720 The big elephant in the room hovering over this deadline 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.480 is Tarek Scuoble the Tigers, and the main thing is 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.640 just as much as the fact that he's an amazing 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.119 pitcher and the two time defending say young Wood, whenever, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.760 it's the fact that he's a pending free agent and 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.640 that the Tigers know that they're probably not going to 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.560 pay him hundreds of millions of dollars to keep them 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.000 the rest of his career. And that's why those are 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.240 the guys that tend to move during the deadlines, is 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.040 rentals or guys that are close to being to free 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.000 agency a little bit. With the Marlins, they just don't 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.520 have a ton of them. You mentioned one of them 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.640 in Pete Fairbanks. And what's really interesting about relievers is 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.720 that it could flip really quickly, Like all the information 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.360 we have about these pictures, if things just tick up 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.800 for even a week at a time at the right time, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.520 then all of a sudden, that looks like a guy 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.840 who these teams are able to say they have confidence 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.360 in moving forward. And so it's not the craziest thing 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.960 to imagine Fairbanks in the midst of what's been the 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.640 worst year of his career still being interesting in other clubs. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.160 And again, the Marlins are in that situation where they 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.760 paid him thirteen million dollars this year and haven't been 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.560 satisfied with the results. So I don't think they're gonna 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.800 be in line to be the highest bidders for him 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.360 this upcoming off season. So that's a situation where even 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.000 if they're gonna try to win games down the stretch, 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:18.600 even if as you see you here, they're still very 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.440 much in the thick of things. That's that's the name 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:25.120 that naturally they're going to listen to any offers that 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.640 they may get on him just. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:27.600 Because of that. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.240 But the other complication that you mentioned there is they 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.360 have guys that are injured that one of them, Owen Casey, he's. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:34.960 About to come back. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.520 That's gonna be good news, but just about everybody else 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.400 on the il, their timelines are a little bit more blurry. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.160 We don't know when. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.080 Exactly Max is gonna be back. It's it's probably gonna 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.880 be September or the very earliest. And Anthony Bender has 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.640 been such a key piece of this bullpen unhealthy, but 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.200 he's been gone a while and there's still like some 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.319 steps for him to take on his rehab before he's 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.760 even have a firm deadline on him coming back. So 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.520 that's kind of the complication is that you feel like, potentially, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.679 when this team is whole again health wise, that they 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.160 could reel off another month that they did in June. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.720 Is just that there's going to be this gap in 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.080 between that what do you do. You're not gonna buy 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.040 for like one month, You're not gonna buy just to 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.400 put together one particular team for August. When you make 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.599 those decisions, I think this team as a whole is 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.480 always going to be long term focused. When they make 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.440 any acquisitions, it's gonna be with the idea of we 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.000 think this guy for the rest of this year and 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.440 potentially for years beyond, this is going to be helpful 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.800 to our team. So that's what it's complicated to swing 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.480 these deals because they're gonna be looking for players that 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.719 can help them now. But as they've been pretty clear 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.640 that they're not gonna be chasing the Schoobls, they're not 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.520 gonna be chasing those under pending free agents. They're going 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.040 to try to find somebody from outside the organization that 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.760 can help them both now and later. And later is 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.240 gonna be the slightly higher priority than. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.800 Right now, and I think a good example of that 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.800 was what the Nationals did with Curtis Meade swapping and 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.160 for Conley Early. Fortunately me got hurt in his first 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.679 game with the Red Sox. But like you look at that, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.920 that's both teams addressing a need from I guess from 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.160 the debt from what they had to surplus a debt. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.120 Right Nationals needed pitching. They get Conley Early, who I 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.599 think is still on the il, but he's gonna be 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.080 back at some point and he's gonna be a huge 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.600 part of their future. Then well, the Red Sox didn't 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.880 need a right handed bat. They got meed and unfortunately 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.360 he's hurt. But ag can you see the Marbins doing 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.040 something like this where they go major league for major leaguer. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.760 I think that's been a big thing that's been discussed 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.960 this deadline, because, hey, the Martins are in a position 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.480 where they really don't want to trade their prospect. They 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.200 really shouldn't have to, especially if you're not buying. But 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.240 I think a really good case of this could be 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.160 like a Liam Hicks. A lot of teams need catching. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.840 There's teams that need catching. The catching market is pretty 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.640 much is very thin, especially if the Twins are looking 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.880 to buy, which they did last night, acquiring ag and 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.680 Mentor from Mets. They really don't need to trade Ryan 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.920 Jeffers in that case, so that would be one name 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.040 off the market. Shaylangliers got hurt. That's another name off 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.880 the market. Hicks could be more valuable to another team 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.800 that needs catching than New Orleans who they still believe in. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.000 Obviously Ramirez that could be behind the play. As much 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.440 as some may disagree with that, they still believe he 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.840 is a catcher and the bat's still there and they 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.480 have Navaretto. They want to go with someone to back 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.319 up Mac for the rest of the season, and they 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.439 clearly like Joe Mack and think he is the catcher 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:22.000 of the future. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:27.600 Yeah, I can definitely see them using Hicks, and because, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.240 like you mentioned, a lot of teams are looking for that. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.200 You think about the Yankees and think about some of 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.680 the other teams that really need. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.840 Some catching and a guy that he's a guy that 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.360 can control the zone. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:38.960 He does not a lot of not a swing and 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.680 miss in his in his bat, So a few teams 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.959 can use that. A consistent ab that is going to 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.280 get on Basi's not going to expand the zone and 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.560 also can can do well behind the plate. So he 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.400 is definitely someone that you can get a lot back 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.240 or get a good a decent haul back for or 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.600 could be a major league to major league type thing. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.080 And most important, it's one of those. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.040 Situations where the Marnas don't feel like they absolutely need 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.880 to move him as well, so they can they get 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.480 the price can be higher for him because they're like, hey, listen, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.760 you want them, this is what it's gonna cost because 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.880 we don't really not really trying to move them. And 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.679 when you're in that that, uh, that situation, I feel 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.280 like you make the best decisions because you're not in 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.160 a you're not deficient in any way. You have everything 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.080 you need. You see how you can maneuve him around 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.360 first base, d h, whatever it is in your rosters. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.680 So it's not like he's jamming up anybody, and he does. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.520 He has he's in fits in good with that rotation. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.440 He's a he's a great clubhouse guy. So it's not 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.280 like you absolutely need to move him. But I definitely 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.600 can see a world where they can get a major 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.080 league type talent back, maybe another arm maybe uh something 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.520 like that, a bullpen bullpen arm from somebody because he 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.120 is a valuable player. He's shown his worth, he's shown 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.560 that he's continued to figure out the process and get 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.720 better as his career is going. So I can definitely 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.920 see a major league to major league type swap for that. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.680 And that's a big thing too, right because I think 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.200 we see all these reports right now where hey, the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.800 Marlins are listening to everyone except Sandy Ury and so 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.400 and so. I mean they have to. You have to 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.960 listen there. You can't just say you're gonna hold all 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.360 these players because what if all of a sudden you 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.280 get an offer they can't say no to. I'm sure 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.000 the Marlins and the off season weren't actively trying to 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.120 trade Ryan Weathers. I'm sure the kabirthing was a little different, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.199 but Weather's for sure. You weren't actively trying to move in. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:34.760 You get an offer that you can't say no to, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.320 you got to do it. I think that's why you're 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.559 hearing Auto, Lopez, Xavier Edwards, Hicks all those names out 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.120 there because they have to listen. And it's the right 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.880 thing to do, because if you get an offer for 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.080 Auto that you say, damn, I don't think I could 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.360 pass up on this auto Lopez is gonna be gone, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.160 and it's unfortunate, but he's gonna be gone, and they 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.080 have If there's one thing that the Marlins do have 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.240 in the organization is in field depth, and they could 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.360 probably just go through something, you know, have some sort 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:03.880 of plan for the remainder of this season, and then 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.040 you have some pretty good prospects for twenty seven. The 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.720 same thing goes with second base and the catching positions 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.440 already filled out. So Elo, how do you think the 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.960 war was attack this deadline? These next couple of days, 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.720 I feel like we are probably gonna start seeing some 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.640 moves between Well, we're recording this Friday, so I'm assuming 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.800 we'll get some more moves here and there as we 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.120 go through this, But Monday is the big day. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.120 It is annoying how it feels like every year they 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.280 procrastinate more and more, they push it more and more 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.960 to the deadline day itself. The fact that we're three 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.320 days out and I pulled up the list before, like, 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.920 the biggest trade still right now is probably need for 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.520 Connelly Early. The Mets made their first selling trade last night. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.080 It's sending away aj Minter, guy who's pitched pretty well. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.960 When healthy, but he's barely been healthy the past couple 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.280 of years, and not quite worried what he was as 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.280 a World Series here five years ago. The only thing 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.240 I wanted to touch on was with Otto. I mean, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:54.760 I don't think I'm alone in this. I think it's 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.280 nuts that his name is even out there a little bit. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.800 You can't really emphasize how aw he's been this year. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.280 He's been like, easily this team's most valuable player all 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.600 year long. He is, until like the last day or two, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.400 is leading the entire major leagues and hitting, and he 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.280 was doing it while playing a good shortstop, and he 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.840 was doing it while being on pace for thirty steals. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.640 And he's running the prime of his career. And I 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.000 mean every single stat will tell you how awesome he is, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.960 including just overall value wins above replacement, Like in the 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.400 season ends to stay, he's on MVP ballots. It's gonna 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.800 be top ten in National League MVP race is on 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.200 what he's done this year. He's been a top ten 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.320 player in the National League this entire season. And the 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.640 Marlins having for three more years, I think the idea 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.560 that they can just they have other depth and other options, 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.280 like no offense to the prospects in the system, but 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:44.480 like it'd be, like, what's funny about it is that 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.560 there's no way you could have imagined when the Marlins 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.120 acquired him as a waiver claim as a DFA guy, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.280 that he would turn into this I turn into an 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.000 All Star. But at the same time, it's really hard 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.920 to believe even a top prospect. It's hard to assume 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.320 that any prospect is gonna reach this level, even if 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.800 they're really highly rated right now. So to me, I 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.600 just think it creates an amazing void for this team 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.000 at the end of dealing him, and it's a big 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.720 step back when the finances aren't an issue, when the 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.800 personality isn't an issue. Like he's such a core piece 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.880 of this team that I think he's the one guy 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.600 that I would have liked to see the Mardins make 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.920 him off limits. I know that they have through back channels, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.680 they've kind of made it clear that Joe Mack is 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.840 kind of a keeper for them, And I just feel 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.040 like Otto was in that same conversation. If not, you know, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.840 he's the better offensive player, and he's also that up 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.480 the middle premium defender as well, Like I would have 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.200 liked to see them kind of send out the feelers, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.080 like just to make it clear that he's not available. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.600 In the fact that they're open to it, I think 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.560 it does speak to the reality that this is probably 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.280 gonna be the best year of his career, and I 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.400 guess it is selling high on him if they do 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.080 move him. But at the end of the day, the 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.880 project you're in this to win games. You're in this 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.960 like figure out what's going to be whether it's this 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.320 year or next year that you're actor, like, what's gonna 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.840 be the version of this team that is actually gonna 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.920 sniff championship contention, And to me, he's just such an 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.440 integral piece of that. So I kind of understand almost 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.560 all the other rumors outside of that one, because even 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.479 if they're going to get a lot in return, by 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.400 the time people listen to this will have a mock 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.879 proposal from Kevin out there about a prospect package that 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.439 they could get potentially. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.200 That would be a fair deal. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.280 But at the same time, it's guys that have so 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.160 much haven't done anything. That's generally how this usually goes, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.760 Like they'll try to thread that needle you just talked about. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.720 The major leaguer from major leaguer trades, so they'll try 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.000 to get that done. Maybe there is something creative out 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.840 there that I'm not thinking of. It's just that usually 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.640 when somebody is going to make that deal, the vast 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.400 majority of the time, it is major leaguer from minor leaguers, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.399 And in this case, I just I'm not to me, 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.080