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Speaker 2: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to move the six DJ and Bucky back with you.

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Speaker 2: Buck? How heck are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: You have good Christmas? Nice little time with the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: look yeah it was great man.

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Speaker 3: The Colladay is always a good time to reminisce, to

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Speaker 2: It's a great, great time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about you because my present the the

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Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, this is Bucky's dream, this is

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Speaker 1: Bucky's dream Christmas right here. So you know, Bucky, you

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Speaker 1: go ready post up. He's good to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you like when you go to the Combine like

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Speaker 1: If you ever want, if you're ever looking for an

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Speaker 1: Maybe you got some old Bill's merch you want to

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Speaker 1: get autographed, Uh, Indianapolis Combine, go to Ruth Chris. You'll

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Speaker 1: let's get to what happened last night. It's signed for

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Speaker 3: So here, here's the thing about the Baltimore Ravens Sanrancisco

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Speaker 3: And look, I made the mistake because I fully expected

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Speaker 1: Everybody else has kind of buried him after this game.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brock's been a much better quarterback, much much

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Speaker 3: So DJ there's this huge debate right it exists on

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Speaker 2: To be right. The way you manage them, you operate

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Speaker 3: The way that you understand how to distributed and get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's again, I think it's a complex, complicated conversation.

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Speaker 2: It's not all or nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's not Brock Purty's the best.

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Speaker 1: Rock Purty is an MVP caliber quarterback, and I do

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Speaker 3: They're not using Lamar Jackson like he was used previously.

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Speaker 3: No, look, I think you should feel good about it because,

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Speaker 1: young players are playing well. And I'm not just talking

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Speaker 1: about first round picks. I'm talking about getting guys on

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Speaker 1: the field that are third, fourth, fifth round picks that

437
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Speaker 1: are productive because it tells me that you've got guys

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Speaker 1: that not only how to put a plan together, but

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Speaker 1: you got guys that know how to develop. That's like,

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Speaker 1: to me, that's the ace in the hole in this

441
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Speaker 1: league right now when you don't have as much time.

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Speaker 1: Who are the elite teacher in this game that can

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Speaker 1: take what you give them and make them better. And

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Speaker 1: to me, Dan Campbell and that staff, and we know

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Speaker 1: a bunch of those coaches on the offense and defensive

446
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Speaker 1: side of the ball. It's not just one of the

447
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Speaker 1: other both, but they should be candidates because they have

448
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Speaker 1: got young guys on the field and they're playing lights out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna give a lot of credit to Dan Campbell and

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Speaker 3: that staff. That staff, there was a lot made of this.

452
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Speaker 3: That staff is loaded with a bunch of former players.

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Speaker 3: You think about Mark mnell and like Aaron le and

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Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn and so many other guys, Hank Freeley and

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Speaker 3: so many other guys that are working with them. So

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Speaker 3: those young guys done a really good job of helping

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Speaker 3: those guys grow from newbies to learning how to play

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Speaker 3: and crafting it. But DJ, I think it even goes

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Speaker 3: beyond that. I think if you're thinking about Ben Johson

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Speaker 3: or one of the other guys on the staff, I

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Speaker 3: think you need to dig into their personel department and

462
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Speaker 3: talk to Ray Agnew and some of those other guys.

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Speaker 3: Because the pairing of the general manager and the coach,

464
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Speaker 3: we're now seeing how important it is for everyone to

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Speaker 3: be on the same page. Brad Holmes has brought up

466
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Speaker 3: bunch of like draft picks to the table. Dan Campbell

467
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Speaker 3: has been willing to take those young picks and put

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Speaker 3: them on the field, and that stuff has worked. And

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Speaker 3: we've talked about the need to have the synergy between

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Speaker 3: the front office and the coaching staff. If you're going

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Speaker 3: to be a draft and developed team, a draft and

472
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Speaker 3: developed franchise, everybody has to be on the same page.

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Speaker 3: And when I look at the Detroit Lions and each

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Speaker 3: week we talk about the rookie output score and how

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Speaker 3: many of those times those guys have been on the list,

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Speaker 3: and not just.

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Speaker 2: The first rounders.

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Speaker 3: It is a franchise philosophy that we're gonna play the

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Speaker 3: young players and everyone is on board.

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Speaker 2: And the Detroit Lions have been rewarded for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and on Almon Ross, Saint brown Buck and I

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Speaker 1: also look at that man, what makes him? What makes

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Speaker 1: him so good? So I went through and watched a

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Speaker 1: bunch of him this morning. A couple of things. You know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the strength, we talk about the toughness,

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Speaker 1: you know, what he can do after the catch, but

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Speaker 1: the spatial awareness that he has working in zone zones,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds it's kind of one of those things

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Speaker 1: you see it. It's harder to explain. But if you

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Speaker 1: watch Cooper Cup and you're gonna say, what makes Cooper

491
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Speaker 1: Cup great? And you can watch him putting guys in

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Speaker 1: a blender when they're in man coverage. To me, the

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Speaker 1: superpower is just that feel and understanding of making yourself

494
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Speaker 1: big and being a nice target to your quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: it's not like it's it's hard. It's hard to explain it.

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Speaker 1: But when you have a defender here and a defender there,

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Speaker 1: instead of being at the sixty to forty line, like

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Speaker 1: I'm sixty percent away from this defender, I'm forty percent

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Speaker 1: closer to this one, Like.

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Speaker 2: That would be great.

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Speaker 1: He is fifty to fifty every single time, like he

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Speaker 1: knows how to create the most space possible between defenders.

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Speaker 1: And that's it's like a basketball thing, you know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where the background is there, where that comes from,

505
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Speaker 1: but he has an unbelievable feel working in those zones.

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Speaker 3: Okay, DJ, We've talked about this, and we've talked about

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Speaker 3: building teams, and I think you talked about when you

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Speaker 3: work for the Ravens. You guys talked about smart tough,

509
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Speaker 3: talk about instincts of instincts in those things. I think

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Speaker 3: sometimes intelligence football intelligence and what I would call booksmarts.

511
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Speaker 3: I think they both are underrated. And I think when

512
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Speaker 3: you have smart guys, smart guys have a tendency to

513
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Speaker 3: be able to figure it out. And I think for

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Speaker 3: Amara Ras Saint Brown, if you understand the background and

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Speaker 3: the pedigree and having to learn all the different languages

516
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Speaker 3: and how mom and dad really pushed all of the

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Speaker 3: same brothers to learn at a high level, I am

518
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Speaker 3: not surprised that he understands how to figure it out,

519
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Speaker 3: because smart guys can make the coach right. When the

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Speaker 3: coach is wrong, he may call the wrong play, but

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Speaker 3: smart guys understand how to figure it out. So when

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Speaker 3: you talk about the awareness DJ, some of that awareness

523
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Speaker 3: is the na field, but a lot of that awareness

524
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Speaker 3: comes from studying and understand where the holes are going

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Speaker 3: to be, being able to anticipate where the areas will be.

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Speaker 3: So now you're on the same page with the quarterback

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Speaker 3: and Jery Goff has a comfort level and knowing a

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Speaker 3: I can trust that this guy's going to be at

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Speaker 3: the right spot even if we get it wrong initially,

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Speaker 3: he'll help me out. That trust allows golf to keep

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Speaker 3: coming to him over and over again in the clutch.

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Speaker 3: So we can talk about toughness and physicality and all

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Speaker 3: those things effort, but man intelligence is an underrated aspect

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Speaker 3: to having a lot of success in the league. And

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Speaker 3: I think amara Ron Saint Brown has that intelligence that

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Speaker 3: you're looking for football intelligence as well as booksmortes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, bringing up all the languages

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Speaker 1: that he learned too. I remember learning about that through

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Speaker 1: the process and when he was going through the recruiting thing.

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Speaker 1: His brother obviously play at standfard. It is a smart

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Speaker 1: smart family is a smart dude, and it shows up

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Speaker 1: on the grass for sure. All Right, they're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a quick break. When we come back, we're going to

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Speaker 1: jump into some more of these games. It was a

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Speaker 1: great weekend of football. We'll get to some more of

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Speaker 1: those ball games right after this.

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Speaker 2: Back here with.

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Speaker 1: Bucky and Buck, we'll go through some more of these games,

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Speaker 1: including a couple that we were at. We start here

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Speaker 1: with the one eye witnessed on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Peacock.

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Speaker 1: By the way, how was that experience? Did you get

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Speaker 1: a chance to pull up the Peacock app and check

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Speaker 1: that thing out book?

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Speaker 2: I did get a chance to see a little bit

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Speaker 2: of the game. I was nice. You guys jumped out,

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Speaker 2: the Charges jumped out. Yeah, it was different. It's different.

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Speaker 3: It's a different experience. It's it's so many different ways

559
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Speaker 3: to consume football these days. You're just trying to get

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Speaker 3: your arms around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a game. It was actually a fun

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Speaker 1: game to call. After the week before where the Raiders

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Speaker 1: ran the Chargers out of the gym, this was a

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Speaker 1: competitive game. Gift Smith taken over as the interim head coach.

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Speaker 1: I thought he had these guys ready to go. They

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Speaker 1: played hard, eastern stick actually for the second week in

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Speaker 1: a row, made some nice throws, use his legs in

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Speaker 1: this one, ran the ball pretty well. It was enough

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Speaker 1: to show that I think he's a competent, capable backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So happy for him on the Chargers side of things.

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Speaker 1: But this is about the Bills. They're nine and six now,

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Speaker 1: this is a team that now is in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Just just need to handle their business coming down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen didn't have a super you know, blow you

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Speaker 1: away game, but Buck the explosive plays were still there,

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Speaker 1: and he found him through Gabe Davis and this one

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Speaker 1: who had been kind of missing in action, he had

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Speaker 1: him on a go ball. He extended plays, made things happen.

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Brady's done a nice job with this

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Speaker 1: offense since he's taken over. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of is, okay, Josh. Josh has got

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Speaker 1: a zillion touchdowns, you know, passing and rushing. He had

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Speaker 1: two rushing touchdowns in this one as well as well

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Speaker 1: as a passing touch and I think it's like an

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Speaker 1: eleventh game where he's had at least a one rushing

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Speaker 1: one passing touchdown, which is an NFL record. But when

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Speaker 1: we think about him getting himself in trouble with turnovers, right,

588
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Speaker 1: that's been the issue. So their vertical game, their vertical

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Speaker 1: pass game has been on the outside, take your shots

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Speaker 1: on go balls, double moves. Let him try and be

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Speaker 1: aggressive on the outside because there's no trouble out there.

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Speaker 1: And then outside of that, you know, hey, use your legs,

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Speaker 1: make some things happen. Try and get the run game

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Speaker 1: going a little bit. James Cook did fumbled twice in

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Speaker 1: this one. That's something he's going to have to clean up.

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Speaker 1: But I think they found a way to still be dynamic,

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Speaker 1: explosive without maybe putting the ball in as much risk.

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Speaker 1: He did have the one pick, but that, to me,

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Speaker 1: I think is an adjustment from Joe Brady instead of

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Speaker 1: trying to jam everything into tight windows into the middle

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Speaker 1: of the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to know you personnel, and I think

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Speaker 3: knowing the personnel is knowing what the quarterback does really

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Speaker 3: really well. And what Josh Allen always has is his

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Speaker 3: unique superpower is his ability to not only run it.

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Speaker 3: Not only is superior arm talent, but his ability to

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Speaker 3: buy time and improvise and do those things. So it's

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Speaker 3: funny you talked about the one on one coverage on

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Speaker 3: the outside taking the goal balls, but DJ, how about

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Speaker 3: when he scrambles and takes the deep shot down the boundary.

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Speaker 3: His ability to stress the defense as a dual threat playmaker.

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Speaker 3: And so when we talk about game changers, like, I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying that every game changer has to have athleticism,

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Speaker 3: but man, in today's game, when your quarterback is athletic

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Speaker 3: and can extend plays and buy time, it allows you

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Speaker 3: to put so much stress on the defense horizontally and

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Speaker 3: vertically because man, he makes them have to hang with

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Speaker 3: the people. You don't know if I stick with my man,

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Speaker 3: do I go chase the quarterback? And then as soon

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Speaker 3: as I just kind of peek at him, he'll throw

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Speaker 3: it right over my head. And that's what Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: has been able to do. And in a league where

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Speaker 3: explosive plays typically leads to points, you have to be

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Speaker 3: able to generate those chunks plays and Josh Allen's improvisational

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Speaker 3: skills allows the Buffalo Bills to do it. And lastly,

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Speaker 3: this is what we say Josh Allen didn't played great

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Speaker 3: most of the game. But guess what, man, when he

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Speaker 3: has to take it over, he has the ability to say,

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Speaker 3: you know what, guys, I got this, I'll put it

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Speaker 3: on my back and I'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: DJ.

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Speaker 3: That is what every franchise is looking for from their quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You need a quarterback that can do that because it's

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Speaker 3: too hard in this game to always get the play

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Speaker 3: calls right. Sometimes you want your quarterback to be able

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Speaker 3: to erase some of your mistakes and make it look

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Speaker 3: good on the back end the game.

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Speaker 1: On the line, Chargers go cover zero, they get pressure

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Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. What does he do kind of a

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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Mahomes type move where he just retreats and buys time.

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Speaker 1: That way, the Chargers miscommunicate the bunch and the release.

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00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: They end up popping popping free. But if Josh Allen's

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Speaker 1: going to just hang in there back foot and try

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Speaker 1: and throw it, there's nothing He's gonna get hit in

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00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: the back of the head. He does a nice job retreating,

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Speaker 1: buying time backfoot makes an impressive It was a game

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Speaker 1: winner on the other side of the ball for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talk a lot about the importance of

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Speaker 1: you know, winning quarterback play and can you get to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback like that? That's the championship philosophy here.

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Speaker 2: So tell me if you.

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Speaker 1: Think sacks are an important stat or they're an overrated stat.

655
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Speaker 1: The number one team in the league in sacks is

656
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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. The number two team is the Miami Dolphins,

657
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Speaker 1: The number three team is the Buffalo Bills, the number

658
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Speaker 1: four team is the Kansas City Chiefs, and number five

659
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Speaker 1: team is Indianapolis Colts. I mean, these are all playoff

660
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Speaker 1: caliber teams with the top three Baltimore, Miami Buffalo, and

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Speaker 1: I would say even though Kansas City is not right

662
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Speaker 1: right now offensive, their defense has been pretty elite. They

663
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Speaker 1: have the capability of the ceiling of a quarterback playing

664
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Speaker 1: at a monster level for a three to four week

665
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Speaker 1: playoff stretch and a defense that can rush the passer.

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Speaker 1: Those are you know, especially those top three Baltimore, Miami Buffalo,

667
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: those are super Bowl caliber teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super caliber teams. You're talking about the Kansay Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, one of the reason while they're able to

670
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: hang in every game is because their defense has played

671
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Speaker 3: LIFs out. When you think about the Buffalo Bills and

672
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: the other teams that you mentioned, Miami Baltimore being able

673
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: to stat the quarterback well, DJ, this is a game

674
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: where we talk about negative plays, splash plays, as Mike

675
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: Tomlin always likes to talk about, they changed the game

676
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: because when you hit the quarterback and you knock the

677
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: quarterback down, a couple of things happen. Not only the

678
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: negative yards from the sack, but it quick as the clock.

679
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: A quickened clock leads to hurry throws, arrant passes. Those

680
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: passes eventually are tipped or overthrown. They lead the turnovers,

681
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: and so it all works together. The pressure from the

682
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: front line, whether you bring in second level defenders, whatever.

683
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: If you get pressure on the quarterback, it increases your

684
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Speaker 3: opportunity to get turnovers and to change the game.

685
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Speaker 2: And you have to be able to do it.

686
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: And the teams that don't have the ability to knock

687
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: the quarterback down, you don't have a hard time staying

688
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: in the tournament for the long term because you're not

689
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Speaker 3: going to generate enough negative plays to win.

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Speaker 1: No question. And that is a team flow that's done it.

691
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Speaker 1: And the Baltimore Ravens there at the top of them,

692
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: and the Miami Dolphins one and two in that category

693
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: are going to score off this week. Looking forward to

694
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Speaker 1: that one. Browns Texans Joe Flacco, he's rolling somehow. You know,

695
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: the Browns are one of three teams still live for

696
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: the number one seed in the tournament. I mean, what

697
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: a testament to how well rounded this roster is, how

698
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Speaker 1: dominant this defensive front has been. Jim Schwartz doing a

699
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Speaker 1: great job there on the defensive side of the ball,

700
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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett having a defensive Player of the Year type year,

701
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Speaker 1: but Joe Flacco stepping in and not only saving the season,

702
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Speaker 1: buck making them a dangerous team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, making them a dangerous team.

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Speaker 3: And look, I'll say this, Joe Flacco has been able

705
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Speaker 3: to make them dangerous despite having an issue with his

706
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: own turnovers, like he turns the ball over, but his

707
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: aggressiveness in the passing game forces you defend every area

708
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Speaker 3: of the field. It is loosen up the block that

709
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: teams had on the running game, because now you've really

710
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: got to back up because Joe Flacco will take those

711
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: shots and if you don't, if you're stubborn, he will

712
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: go to Amari Cooper over and over and over again.

713
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: Amary Cooper had over two hundred and fifty yards, maybe

714
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty five yards, some ridiculous number catching

715
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Speaker 3: the ball. And it's because Joe Flacco is willing to

716
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: let it go. And as teams are preparing for the Browns,

717
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: they have to prepare it for a different version of

718
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: the Browns. And I'll be honest, this version is even

719
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: different than the version that we saw with Deshaun Watson,

720
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: and so Kevin Stefanski has been able to aggressively use

721
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: back pages of the playbook to allow this team to

722
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: be more aggressive. They've scored more and with the defense

723
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: that they have, if they can put a fourteen spot

724
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: on you and allow Miles Garrett and company to begin

725
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: to harass the quarterback, the turnovers begin to come in bunches,

726
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Speaker 3: and that's when they go from good to great.

727
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Speaker 1: One of the things I love, I love when you

728
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: have an offensive head coach with a dominant defense, because

729
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: so many times when you have a defensive head coach

730
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Speaker 1: with a dominant defense, they tell the offense, hey, don't

731
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: screw up, don't turn it over. We're going to keep

732
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Speaker 1: the score down. We're going to win thirteen to ten.

733
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Speaker 1: Whereas an offensive coach with a dominant defense says, you

734
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: know what, our defense can bail us out. Let's play aggressive.

735
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Speaker 1: Let's go out there and chase points. Even if we

736
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: make some mistakes, our defense is going to be able

737
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Speaker 1: to back us up. Maybe they'll get, you know, force

738
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: a field goal, they'll get off the field. But let's

739
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: play aggressive because we can live with some turnovers. But

740
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Speaker 1: let's go out there and try and chase points knowing

741
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: our defense has our back. It's two totally different philosophies.

742
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: But you know, I think back to you know, look

743
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: at it where the forty nine ers are right now.

744
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Obviously they have a dominant defense and they've played that way,

745
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: but you've got an offense and Kyle Shannon said, look,

746
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: let's go be aggressive. Hey, if we make a mistake,

747
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: we make a mistake, our defense will have our back.

748
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I just love that combination in that formula.

749
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Speaker 2: Well, here's what I love from Cleveland Browns.

750
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: Like the offensive head coach being aggressive, defensive head coach

751
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: being aggressive. With DJ there's a toughness that this team has.

752
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about the physical toughness. I'm talking

753
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: about the mental toughness to not collapse when you lose

754
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: all your quarterbacks to not collapse when you lose an

755
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: NFL Russian leader in Nick Chubb, to not collapse when

756
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: you have injuries on the offensive line, to not worry

757
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: about all that and to keep playing.

758
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: This team has ten wins. And if you think about

759
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: the list of injuries and.

760
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: You think about other teams around the league who have

761
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: offered up every excuse as to why they're not able

762
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: to be in the hunt and those things.

763
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Speaker 2: To me, it is the resilience.

764
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: It's the gritty mindset that somebody has said, Kevin Stefanski,

765
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz, it runs throughout the locker room that they

766
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: didn't collapse when all of us on the outside world

767
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: were like, ah, there's no chance that the Cleveland Browns

768
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: are gonna.

769
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Speaker 2: Be able to do it.

770
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Speaker 3: They're like, no, they figured it out. And now in

771
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: figuring it out, they've become a team that's really dangerous.

772
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm be honest with you, DJ.

773
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: I know Joe Flacco is thirty eight, but this team

774
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: is more dangerous now than they were at any point

775
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 3: during the season.

776
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Speaker 2: And I think when we kind of ask some of

777
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: these teams who we may.

778
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: Not want to face off with, I certainly don't want

779
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: to face off with the Cleveland Browns because the defense

780
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: is jit and as long as Joe Flacco is pushing

781
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: the envelope like he has, they have a chance to

782
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: knock off anybody in an AFC playoff field.

783
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always said this too. When you get

784
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks postseason, it's about ceiling. It's not about floor.

785
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: A floor can get you through the regular season. A floor,

786
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: a high floor, can help you win double digit games.

787
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: When you get in the tournament, it's about can you elevate?

788
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: And can you elevate for three to four weeks?

789
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

790
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: And that's what Joe Flack was already done the first

791
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that he won, was he was this unbelievable

792
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: quarterback throughout the whole season. He was unbelievable for a month.

793
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: That's all you need. It's about the ceiling. It's not

794
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: about the floor. I mean, you tell me if I'm

795
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: wrong there, Buck, But that's what I've always believed.

796
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: No, because in the playoffs and as we get into

797
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: the playoffs and begin to have these discussions DJ, the

798
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: microscope then goes to the quarterback because the teams are

799
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: even now, it's all good teams in the tournament vying

800
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: for the title, and so the separating factor is the

801
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: level of the quarterback. Can the quarterback take his game

802
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: up a notch and lead the team in the offense

803
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: to higher heights. And so when we talk about Joe

804
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 3: Flack on how he elevated doing that Super Bowl run

805
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: with the Baltimore Ravens where I think he had eleven

806
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: touchdowns and only one interception, and he may play after

807
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: play after play, well, that experience matters, and that experience

808
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: not only matters for him, but it matters for those

809
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: around him. We always talk about how the quarterback is

810
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: a force multiplier, and you and I have talked about

811
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: how the one thing that a franchise quarterback, a true legitimate,

812
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: elite franchise quarterback, can do, he inspires hope. Well, when

813
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: they know that that quarterback has a higher ceiling, not

814
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: the floor, a high ceiling where he can do it

815
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: in a three or four game stretch where everyone begins

816
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: to believe that those Super Bowl dreams can become a reality.

817
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. I'll tell you what.

818
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: The Browns, it's going an interesting team if they get

819
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: when they get into the tournament and who they match

820
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: up with their former quarterback by the way, once upon

821
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: a time, the number one overall pick Baker Mayfield.

822
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: He is with the Bucks.

823
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: You got to see them, see them and him up

824
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: close and personal. It's been a little bit of a

825
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: free fall for your Jags on the call for those games. Buck,

826
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: But let's start on the other side. First of all,

827
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: here with the Bucks in the run they've been on.

828
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Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the funny thing, not only about the

829
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 3: free fall for the Jags, but I think DJ every

830
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: team in the playoff field has undergone some kind of skid,

831
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 3: right You think about the Buffalo Bills. I think four

832
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: weeks ago we were saying it was all over, like

833
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: they were talking about Sean McDermott and those things. You

834
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: think about. Philadelphia lost three in a row. San Francisco

835
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: lost three in a row, So that's kind of a

836
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: part of the deal. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I think,

837
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: at one point, lost six of seven games before going

838
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: on this recent four game win streak. So when we

839
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: think about it, that has to be a part of

840
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: your DNA and the teams that can hold it together

841
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: when they come on the other side, man, they're the

842
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: ones that have enough of that that grit and resilience

843
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: to know that, ay, we've been through the bad moments,

844
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: we can get to it. And I say all that

845
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: to say that Baker Mayfield is the perfect quarterback for

846
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at this moment. All of the

847
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: adversity that he faced going from Cleveland to Carolina to

848
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: the Rams to now landing in Tampa Bay has made him,

849
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: I would say, a different quarterback.

850
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: The quarterback that I watch on the field mature to

851
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: never lost.

852
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: His confidence, but dj what he made was what I

853
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: call grown man. Plays fourth and short, having to scramble,

854
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: He'll stick his nose in there and get it. They're

855
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: trying to pressure and people right in his face. Here

856
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: throws a dart to Mike Evans, and what you see

857
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: is man. When the team loves the quarterback, it changes.

858
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: There's a genuine affinity from the Buccaneers players to Baker Mayfield.

859
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: He's ingratiated himself to the team. He still has the swag,

860
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: he's still super competitive, he has all of that other stuff.

861
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: But to me, I feel like the winding Road has

862
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: kind of taught him how to be a better teammate.

863
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: This is a dude that makes the Buccaneers dangerous on defense,

864
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: they're high pressure, they come after, but the weapons on

865
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: the outside on offense, god winning Evans with Baker Mayfield

866
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: being able to get the ball out of his hands

867
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: in this version of an offense that was very similar

868
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: to what he ran in LA. Yeah, this is a

869
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: tough team to deal with watching it up close and personal. Yeah,

870
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield and the Bucks are Hanfield. Yeah, this is

871
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: the best year of his career.

872
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: You know, you think about the year he had with

873
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: the Browns, his best year there, actually has the same

874
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: numbers as he has right now in terms of almost

875
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: identical in terms of yards, touchdowns, interceptions, twenty six touchdowns,

876
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: eight picks. This was twenty twenty. This year twenty six touchdowns,

877
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: eight picks, almost identical. That was sixteen games. He had

878
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: thirty five sixty three yards. He's got thirty five ninety

879
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: eight now, so he's still got two more games to go,

880
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: so he's going to clips all those numbers. But really

881
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: playing the best ball of his career. And you touched

882
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: on the teammate thing, remember with Odell and all the

883
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: drama that existed there and how ugly that got towards

884
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: the end of his time there in Cleveland, and then

885
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: he kind of goes on that interesting ride to Carolina

886
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: and then too the Rams for a minute. He's found

887
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: a home here in Tampa. And it also shows you

888
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: the power of belief when you have the confidence of

889
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: not all your teammates, your coaches, even Jason Light when

890
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: he's gone on the record right when they brought him

891
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: into the building, they were elated and excited to have him.

892
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: And I think that's helped him, you know, play loose, play, free, play,

893
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: confident and kind of go back to the best version

894
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: of himself. So good for Baker Mayfield on the jag

895
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: side of things, DJ help me out here.

896
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: Barka's going on continue the thing with Baker Mayfield. And

897
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 3: this is why, because we're at a time where we're

898
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: so hard on young quarterbacks that were ready to throw

899
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: them off, and I think that Baker mayfield journey and

900
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: odyssey should be something for us to think about when

901
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 3: we talk about the twenty twenty one quarterbacks, whether it's

902
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: Trey Lance or Zach Wilson or Max Jones or all

903
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: those guys. Like everyone is going to poor dirdenem and

904
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: think that it's all over. But how you handle yourself

905
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: after that first dismissal, man can go a long way

906
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: to determine whether you have not only another chance to

907
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: extend your career, but another chance to be a legitimate

908
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 3: high end starting quarterback.

909
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield learned along the way, and it wasn't perfect.

910
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: So there were some flaws there, there were some hiccups,

911
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: But I am telling you that if you can get

912
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 3: to the other side, there's something to be said for it.

913
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: And for eighteen, there is.

914
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: Value in kicking the tires on a high end quarterback

915
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: because what I can tell you field level watching Baker Mayfield,

916
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: the first round talent shows up in the way that

917
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: he spins the ball. So now it's about taking someone

918
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: who has that kind of talent and putting them in

919
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: the right offense, the right environment, with the people around them,

920
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: with the right set of believers to kind of puff

921
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: that confidence in them. You may get what you thought

922
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: you were getting when you drafted them. So all is

923
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: not lost on some of these young quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield

924
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: is a tale, a good tale that hey, you can

925
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: bounce back for some of these difficult moments early in

926
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: your career.

927
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Well, stay on the quarterback, then tell me what's going

928
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: on with Trevor. You're there every week?

929
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: What are you seeing? Look?

930
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: Man, when I look at the jaguarswe Here's what I

931
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: would say. DJ I just mentioned all those teams that

932
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: have had losing skis and all those other things. I

933
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: think what happens in those moments, the true character of

934
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: the team is revealed, and so no one is going

935
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: to help you get to the other side.

936
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: You have to kind of dig down deep. You have

937
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: to be honest with yourself.

938
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: You have to be honest with how you're playing, how

939
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: everyone else around you is playing, and then you have

940
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: to fix it. I will say Trevor is struggling, but

941
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: he's struggling not only because of his own things with

942
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: injuries and turnovers and look, a shaky offensive line, receivers

943
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: in and out of the lineup, all of that stuff

944
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: is going on. I would say that there is a

945
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: lack of confidence right now because you lost for in

946
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: a row and you're trying to figure out how can

947
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: you get a win. And it will turn around for

948
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Trevor and for everybody else when they just keep the

949
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: main things the main thing, just do the simple plays

950
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: really really well. So if you just say, hey, let's

951
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: just make sure we get out of the huddle on time,

952
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: get lined up, run to play, make sure everyone knows

953
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: exactly who they're blocking.

954
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: Let's blocking, and then start stacking wins.

955
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: For Trevor, I will say I have more admiration for

956
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 3: him this year than any other year because it's been really,

957
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: really tough. But each and every week he asks for

958
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: the ball and he takes the start, and so there's

959
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: some things that he can clean up.

960
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: The toughness is there.

961
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: Now, it's about making sure that you get the execution

962
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: up to the level so you can kind.

963
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: Of lead your team to wins.

964
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 3: But he's doing with a lot of young people trying

965
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: to do He's trying to do it all.

966
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: On his own.

967
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: And once he kind of realizes less is more, let

968
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: me dial back, let me just stay within the framework

969
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: of the offense, let me make the simple plays to

970
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: routine plays. Then the other players will come and look, man,

971
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: there's still two games left. They have enough time to

972
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: get into the tournament. A lot of it is can

973
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: Trevor reset himself and then reset the team and get

974
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: them to believe that they still can go out and win.

975
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: This is why you know, We've been doing this for

976
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: a long time. We've been friends for a long time.

977
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Because you literally went the direction I was going to go.

978
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: Rookie year, seventeen starts, second year seventeen starts. This year

979
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: he started all fifteen games through a whole host of

980
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: injuries he's battled through this year. Just the ability to

981
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: post what that means to his teammates. To me, while

982
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: you might not be excited about what the building looks

983
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: like for Trevor right now, maybe there's some there's some

984
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: drywall that needs to be patched, maybe we've got a

985
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: little something going on with the roof buck, he is

986
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: solidifying his foundation with the organization just by posting, just

987
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: by going on out there and plan. When everybody in

988
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: that building and maybe not nationally, it's understood what he's

989
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: dealing with. You would know you're there each and every week.

990
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: But to me, I think there is value and I

991
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: do think that pours more concrete in the foundation of

992
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: his career.

993
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

994
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: DJ, Like we always talk about it, we come from

995
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: an era in terms of like scouting, where men a

996
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback takes the ball every week. This is what

997
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: it is. Ben Roethlisberg and Eli Manning, Philip Rivers. They

998
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: take the ball every week. When it's not baseball, you

999
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: don't do your lineup card, but when you fill it in,

1000
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 3: QB one is always there.

1001
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence has shown that he'll do that.

1002
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: Whether it's a knee injury, show the injury, concussion, he

1003
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: shows up every week.

1004
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: And so that toughness is there.

1005
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: Now it's about taking that toughness, that dependability, that reliability and.

1006
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: Just look helping him help others.

1007
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: So figure out what the quarterback does well, figure out

1008
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: what he's comfortable with, continue to talk to him through

1009
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: those game management situations and allow him to slowly build

1010
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: up his own confidence and the confidence of others. Well,

1011
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: if they get to the other side of this, if

1012
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: Trevor gets to the other side of this, it will

1013
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 3: unlock the potential of the team. It's doesn't matter. Are

1014
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: you tough enough to get to the other side. That's

1015
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: what everyone has to wait and see over the next

1016
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 3: couple weeks.

1017
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, not where they want to be right

1018
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: now in terms of how they're playing, but just get

1019
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: into the tournament. And this is a quarterback. When we

1020
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: talk about ceiling and that's been kind of the word

1021
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: of the day. Trevor still has a very high ceiling.

1022
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Hopefully gets healthy, Jags get right, they get into the tournament,

1023
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: and we see the best of Trevor Lawrence once we

1024
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: get to the postseason. All Right, we covered a lot

1025
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: of ground on some big games today. I hope you

1026
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: have enjoyed this episode. I know you're probably asking, what

1027
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: the heck will you guys can talk about the Chiefs

1028
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: and the Raiders. Well, we save that. We want to

1029
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: have a little bit longer discussion on that one. We

1030
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: will have that posted for you tomorrow, so be on

1031
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: the lookout for that. All right, that's going to do

1032
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: it for us today and we'll see it tomorrow.

1033
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: Right here on, move the sticks

1034
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: You want to