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Speaker 1: You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 2: One of the many things I love about cooking is collaboration, sourcing, prepping, presenting, delighting,

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Speaker 2: and healing each other with the food we choose to

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Speaker 2: eat or to cook. Ask any of the friends of

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Speaker 2: Kiera Knightley and James Ryden as I did, or people

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Speaker 2: have worked with them as I did, and they talk

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Speaker 2: of them as almost one person. How they parent their children,

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Speaker 2: Edie and Delilah, bringing music and acting into their home,

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Speaker 2: immersing themselves in the communities they live in, and most

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Speaker 2: appealing to me, investing a large amount of time and

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Speaker 2: deciding what and where they're all going to eat. Kia

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Speaker 2: and James love and they are loved. We've seen Kiera

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Speaker 2: as Jewels, bend it like Beckham, Elizabeth Bennett, Pride and Prejudice,

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Speaker 2: Annacrenna Collette. We've listened to James as a keyboardist of

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Speaker 2: indie rave Sensation that Claxon's He's now sold artists working

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Speaker 2: in TV, film theater, recently helping Benny and Bjorn create

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Speaker 2: Abba Voyage, two worlds joining together music and theater. I

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Speaker 2: last saw Kier and James a few months ago in

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Speaker 2: the River Cafe with our close friends Erdam and Joseph,

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Speaker 2: after an evening of NonStop talking how to raise children

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Speaker 2: in a tumultuous world, the movies we've been watching, and

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Speaker 2: above all, where and what we've been eating. We vowed

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Speaker 2: to meet soon. Schedules, families, work and travel got in

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Speaker 2: the way. But here we are on a Monday morning

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Speaker 2: in the River Cafe, three friends together. Now that's the

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Speaker 2: best collaboration.

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Speaker 3: How do we speak after that?

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Speaker 2: So we do talk a lot about food. But you

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Speaker 2: did choose, of all the recipes in all twelve cookbooks

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Speaker 2: spaghetti I love Angelais and Imogen is here to bring

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Speaker 2: us the recipe? Did you make it? Imagen? Is this?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to just tell us about this? What

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Speaker 2: do we have here?

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Speaker 4: Got fresh taglerini which has just been made now with

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Speaker 4: eggs and flour and semolina and the clams. The bongolais

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Speaker 4: from Cornwall, very fresh, and this is one of my

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Speaker 4: absolute favorite dishes. It's cooked finished off with butter and

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Speaker 4: our lovely olive oil, and it's got a little bit

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Speaker 4: of lemon, and it's cooked with fiano white wine.

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Speaker 3: Yum.

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Speaker 5: Now, can I ask everybody how would you if you've

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Speaker 5: got the bongolate you're the professional. Do you use the

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: Or do you just like get it.

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Speaker 4: With the Yeah, I mean they normally sort of fall

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Speaker 4: out as you cook them.

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Speaker 5: That's delicious, woe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gorgeous, aren't they. Initially we cook them with

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Speaker 4: fresh chili parsi stalks, which are really sweet, and then

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Speaker 4: you once you've got them coated in the lovely olive oil,

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Speaker 4: we finish it with the white Fiano white wine and

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Speaker 4: just let them steam open.

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Speaker 2: They always say, you know, take take the pursa out

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Speaker 2: to have with it, because they're very clear about different sauces.

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Speaker 2: And also and then we just love it with the tag.

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Speaker 2: And so we've broken the rules a few times. There's

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Speaker 2: so many rules to break. But is that actually then

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Speaker 2: you find out it's not breaking a rule, you know,

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Speaker 2: because spaghetti vongelais comes from the south, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: butter is really no, not the north, so you know,

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Speaker 2: but it just makes that sauce a bit richer, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: All Right, let's read the recipe then, so we have.

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Speaker 5: No I'm going to do the list and then you're

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Speaker 5: going to read the difficult bit. I find recipes one

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Speaker 5: of the most with dyslexia that it all okay. Spaghetti

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Speaker 5: ali bongola for six seventy five grams butter, extra virgin

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Speaker 5: bunch fresh flat leaf parsley, picked and chopped. Two hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty milli liters Vermanino wine. Four hundred grams dried spaghetti.

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Speaker 1: Check over the clams and discard any that are not closed.

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Speaker 1: Place half the butter in a wide pan with two

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Speaker 1: tablespoons of olive oil. The garlic and chili, season with

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Speaker 1: about five minutes. Shake in the pan from time to time.

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Speaker 2: Go go beautiful. So growing up in your house, what

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Speaker 3: Did you my mom's down?

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Speaker 3: No, she's a writer. Yeah, so she's a writer.

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Speaker 5: My dad's an actor. But my mum was the cook

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Speaker 5: and it was very seventies. We were not allowed sugar.

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Speaker 5: It was very like brown ricey, but it was very

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Speaker 5: very good. Mum's bastard pasta sauce. He was very when

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Speaker 5: he's gone for his like you go for your purest

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Speaker 5: moments and you go very anti.

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Speaker 3: My mother's bastard pasta sauce.

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Speaker 5: It delicious, but it's delicious, delicious, Yeah, yeah, delicious.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: It's everything that I wouldn't do, That's why I love it.

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Speaker 1: Onions and garlic, like literally everything.

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Speaker 5: Me and my brother ate everything. There were roast chickens,

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Speaker 5: there was fish, there was fish cakes. There was I

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Speaker 5: remember she made a green sauce with fish cakes. But

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Speaker 5: we had a very tiny kitchen, so you could never

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Speaker 5: cook with her. But it meant that, I think for her,

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Speaker 5: the private time was the cooking time. So I never

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Speaker 5: learned to cook from her because you couldn't be in

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Speaker 5: the kit you couldn't both be in the kitchen cooking.

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Speaker 2: Did you cook with.

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Speaker 1: Your No, No, I was a different kind of I

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Speaker 1: grew up with my dad who had a little kind

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Speaker 1: saying this, but it was, you know, Marks and Spencer's

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Speaker 1: Carbonara ready meals in the.

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Speaker 5: Microwave fair enough, which is you know, but I have

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Speaker 5: to say, he makes me shepherd pie incredible. Every time

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Speaker 5: we go back. I asked for his Shepherd's pie.

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Speaker 1: Because it's it's really good. It's really great. But my

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Speaker 1: a real old school lots of lard.

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Speaker 2: She the mother of your father.

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Speaker 1: No, no, my mother's mother, your mother's mum. But it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of kind of sausage rolls and that

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Speaker 2: Of where were they from area Strafford upon Avon, and

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Speaker 2: so it was this a kind of cooking that she'd

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, there's lots of pastries. It was terrible looking

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Speaker 5: But I have to say, when we first met, you

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Speaker 5: did You've always made an amazing roast And that was her.

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Speaker 1: She an amazing roasting Yorkshire puddings, you know, classic there

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Speaker 1: with these sausage rolls in a little kind of tupperware,

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Speaker 1: and she dropped them and I'd have to catch them.

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Speaker 1: And with my mom, I just remember being this kind

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Speaker 1: of I mean, she's amazing my mum. But a lot

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Speaker 1: of my food phobias stemmed from kind of her slightly

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Speaker 1: things with like Hellman's e jars that were kind of oozing, and.

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Speaker 3: He has condiment issues.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, no condiment in America.

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Speaker 2: Being in America, I think I heard the word condiments,

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Speaker 2: you know, or we just had probably ketchup and mustard work.

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Speaker 1: But the condiments, condiments, anything's at the end of it. Mustard,

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Speaker 1: can't stand it. Catch up. Butter, there was a butter.

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Speaker 3: No butter you'll have when it's when it's melted.

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Speaker 1: Not that makes sense because it doesn't. Can't get you.

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Speaker 1: Why did you?

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Speaker 2: Why did you begin?

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Speaker 1: I think I, like I said, I think it was

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Speaker 2: She did she did, She have a refrigerator, yeah, but

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Speaker 5: It was it's mayonnaise, mayonnaise, that one on the same

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Speaker 5: I banned them all together in this. But so this

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Speaker 2: You know, it was the one that was that was Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get it with the mayonnaise and the ketchup and

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Speaker 2: the mustard and all that. But it's interesting that you

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Speaker 1: Is that you know, it is a shame, but this

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Speaker 3: Your dad, You've got a big there's a butter.

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Speaker 5: And jam issue which I found out again when I

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Speaker 3: The butter and the jam must never meet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say that's logical, logical.

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Speaker 1: I don't have my issue.

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Speaker 3: I never noticed that I've got one knife. Maybe I

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Speaker 2: It's like that. I would never be disproving of it

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I've now got I've got big. I know. Really,

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Speaker 3: I'm very careful the separate.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you could ever fall in love with

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Speaker 2: somebody who did care about food?

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Speaker 4: No? No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you ever go out to restaurants?

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Speaker 1: Christmas dinner and it was just duck.

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Speaker 2: Did you go out to restaurants as a child.

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Speaker 5: We had the local Indian restaurant, which I loved, and

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Speaker 5: then the local Chinese restaurant which I remember.

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Speaker 3: The name of it. It's called Walk This Way. Was brilliant.

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Speaker 3: That was amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was definitely like treats.

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Speaker 1: But we'd go.

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Speaker 1: button on a on a car remote and here with

439
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 1: the beep, it was there. They hadn't been stolen. Four

440
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 1: year old jaw when we were in the back of

441
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: the police car.

442
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really fun.

443
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: Can I just very simply ask you how you met?

444
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: Where do we meet?

445
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 5: We met at Dean Street townhouse in London, which was okay.

446
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 5: So that week my agent said to me, I've had

447
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 5: this dream I was single. I've had a dream that

448
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 5: you're meeting your future husband. This week's exciting. So I

449
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 5: got invited out to loads of things and I have

450
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 5: to say I'd met a load of people that week

451
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 5: and I was sorry, this.

452
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 3: Is happening anyway.

453
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 5: So the end of the week was an oscar viewing party,

454
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 5: which anyway, so I was like, really didn't want to go.

455
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 3: It was a Sunday night, I was in the theater.

456
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: I couldn't be bothered to go.

457
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 5: And then I was like, but I meant to meet

458
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: my future husband, so I'm going to go to this

459
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 5: thing that I don't want to go to. And I

460
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 5: sat down and I didn't. I was like, again, everybody's

461
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 5: very nice, but my future husband definitely isn't there. And

462
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 5: my very good friend Tim Phillips, who is a composer,

463
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 5: he phoned me up very drunk, like incredibly drunk.

464
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 3: Hey man, I'm in Sohomeman and with friends.

465
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: Where are you?

466
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 5: And I was like, no, no'm I sit down for

467
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 5: and you're not allowed to come? Where are then Dean

468
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 5: Street Town? Okay, then I'm coming. Please don't come, please

469
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 5: don't come. No, please don't come anyway. And the door

470
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 5: of this private room opens and my friend Tim's head

471
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 5: comes around like this, and my friend's Curran's.

472
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: Head and I'm like, oh my god. And the third

473
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 3: head come around with.

474
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 5: James, and James grabbed a seat there was a seat

475
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 5: and he just grabbed it around and said he I'm your.

476
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: There he is.

477
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 5: And then and then you just hate and drank and

478
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 5: basically and drank until we got married, got married, well

479
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 5: drank until I got pregnant.

480
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: And so you just knew that you had this love

481
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: of food and alcohol.

482
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 5: Yeah it was alcohol, but it was at that point

483
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 5: it was alcohol, but it was a food.

484
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 6: No, but how did you food if you were playing,

485
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 6: you were you were a musician, you were like, I

486
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 6: know that you loved alcohol but you had to get

487
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 6: up in the morning and work.

488
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 2: So how did you know at that point?

489
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 5: Was yeah, And I think actually maybe if I'd been

490
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 5: filming at the time, we never would have got together.

491
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 5: But because I was in the theater and it was

492
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 5: I was doing a show.

493
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: With a lot, it was great.

494
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 5: It was a children's it was Helmut Lillian Hellman children. Yeah,

495
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 5: and it was with Elizabeth mass and it was great

496
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 5: because it was a bunch of girls. We were all

497
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: like in our early mid twenties. We were all single,

498
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: and we were having a really really really really good time.

499
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 5: And so I met him in the middle of that

500
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 5: when he was also having a really really really really

501
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 5: good time. But the food thing, he was not into

502
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 5: food and he wouldn't try because of the condiment pre

503
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 5: previously mentioned condiment issues. There were other food issues at

504
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 5: that point, like he really wouldn't eat much apart from

505
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 5: the cheese on toast situation.

506
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is not going to happen

507
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: if we can't go at it.

508
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 5: So again, my very my oldest and very close friend

509
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 5: who's a big foodie, Charlie, he met him. He was

510
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 5: I really like him, but the food situation is terrible.

511
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 5: So we used to take him to all of our

512
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 5: favorite restaurants and we'd yeah, we'd order for him and

513
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 5: we we'd be like and he'd look at it, go no, no, no,

514
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 5: and then we'd be like, close your eyes and eat.

515
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 3: So basically.

516
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 5: Education and then created a monster overtook both of us.

517
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Wowkay, No, it's literally the passion and the kind of Yeah,

518
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: I have to find it's a recipe. I can't substitute

519
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: that ingredient for that ingredient.

520
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: That's a problem.

521
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: It is a problem because you kind of end up

522
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: around London. Yeah, ingredients.

523
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: Can you go places if you're in a film or

524
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: you're doing something, do you try and all uplift and

525
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: go or do you one of you stay home? How

526
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: do you manage?

527
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 5: You know, we have done since children, We've all we've

528
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: traveled together the whole time to.

529
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: Just take the kids to Boss.

530
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 5: I mean with our first, since our second because then

531
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 5: COVID hits, so I haven't done as much since the

532
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 5: second one was born. But the first one we were

533
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 5: I mean everywhere.

534
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we were everywhere.

535
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: Tell me about a day in the life of your

536
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: house and you get coffee.

537
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: And coffee make the coffee, good grind it, you know,

538
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: fresh B sixty pour over coffee. She gets black coffee

539
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: in the morning. Get the kids to school, children breakfast.

540
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: Do they have breakfast of anything or just cereal?

541
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: Cereal apple, that's fine.

542
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: They have to finish the fruit they do, so.

543
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: They get an apple or you know, blueberrithes.

544
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: That's the only.

545
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: And then I go to my studio and work. You

546
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: go to your office and work, and then we pick

547
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: the kids up, and then.

548
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: What might you both have your lunches?

549
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

550
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 5: I'm a picky kind of I'll buy antipacity from our

551
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 5: local lovely Italian Debdi and I'll do that. But actually,

552
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: I mean again, he's the cook in the house. So

553
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: there isn't ever a moment where you don't go, I

554
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 5: want to make something lovely.

555
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: When you wake up in the morning, do you think

556
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: about what you're gonna do that night?

557
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, always, all the time. It's literally I found

558
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: the way.

559
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: I've got some really great and that will go with that.

560
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: But it's not a million miles to away from maybe

561
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: right now song or.

562
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: Something, it's the same, Okay, let's talk about that.

563
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's creativity. I guess that you're kind

564
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: of trying to make something from nothing. Say if it's

565
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: like at the moment, I'm doing a lot of scoring,

566
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: so I know the kind of world scoring composing for

567
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: film or TV, and so you know the kind of

568
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, this is the palette of instruments we'll use

569
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 1: for this project. Let's say, just like the these are

570
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: the ingredients you've got, and this is what you can

571
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: do with them, and that limitation that you can put

572
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: is good. You know, that kind of restrictions are restrictions

573
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: are great, like restrictions always. So I think that that's

574
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: that's one of the similarities.

575
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: But I think because you know, he's obviously a musician.

576
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 5: We have a lot of musician friends. What I'm really

577
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 5: noticing with all of them is that there is an

578
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 5: obsessive collector's quality. It's like rare records, right. They all

579
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 5: go through a period where it's like I've got this

580
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies Japanese synth music from blah.

581
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: But you know, it's that thing.

582
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 5: And wine is a similar thing. And that's why like

583
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 5: the natural wine really to musician because they're like, great,

584
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 5: there's this weird producer who will only make you know.

585
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: And it's the sharing of that knowledge that the getting

586
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: off on, like sharing, Oh you don't know about this,

587
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: check this out over here. It's sharing of the knowledge

588
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: of getting excited.

589
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 5: About you'll do it, you'll do it about ingredients. So sorry,

590
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: but the totally I mean the funniest one with the

591
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: Totally Citrus Foundation, which you probably know about. So there's

592
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: a okay, So James found out about the Totally Citrus

593
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: Foundation that is in Valencia.

594
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: But he hears from Layla Leila. Her name is Lilah's

595
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: shop in.

596
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: And she's got all of the citrus fruit and so going, oh, wow,

597
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: what's the citrus and she says about the Totally Foundation,

598
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 5: which is basically that a load of the citrus. They

599
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 5: can't grow all of the different varieties of citrus fruit

600
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 5: anymore in Valencia because they're building on all of the land.

601
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 5: But somebody has bought this plot of land and he's

602
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: trying to bring back all of the different varieties of

603
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 5: citrus fruit. So James comes back from this shop and

604
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: he has an entire box everything of like every single

605
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: so many but there's only two of us. Wow, this

606
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 5: is an intense amount of citrus can't waste the thing.

607
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 5: They were eating everything. I actually get to the point

608
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: where I'm like, no, I care, I actually can't.

609
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: I mean it's amazing, amazing.

610
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Did you squeeze them and everything?

611
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: Some of them you can eat the skins, you know,

612
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: it's kumquats. It was this one lemon that I got

613
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: really excited about that you can eat, you cut it

614
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: and the skins aren't bitter.

615
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: It is it like a mouthed lemon with admirer. There

616
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: are some lemons that have just a huge amount of piths.

617
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: A huge amount delicious, and you did, like you eat

618
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 5: the pith.

619
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. But he ate so much that.

620
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: He vomited everywhere too much acid, as he found out.

621
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: But it's funny because there is a lot of things.

622
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of musicians who do I remember going

623
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: to a wine fair and there will be like a

624
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: bump into a guy like, weren't you in a band

625
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: like ten years ago and we played together? Like yeah,

626
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: now now I got a you know, a vine yard

627
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of France and I go this indigenous

628
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: great you know it's.

629
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: Like or who is it from groove Armajo?

630
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, it's also collaborating. You know, it's probably started out, yeah,

631
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: about collaboration, and we do solitary work in the opposite way.

632
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: Michael Caine said that he loved a garden because every

633
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: time he acted it was with you know, so many,

634
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: so many that this is something he could do in

635
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 2: a solitary way. Sometimes if you're in a band, then

636
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: you can be solitary. If you're cooking, if you're solitary,

637
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: then it's all to do with the.

638
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Going back to the Lemon Foundation, for example, is one example.

639
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: It's it's stories and it's it's it's story. It's stories

640
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: which connect for me, both of us. It's like, you know,

641
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: a wine maker just finding out about how that wine

642
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: is made, the winemaker's story. There's we used to have

643
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: a place in front pants where we grew wine, we

644
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: actually made wine, and we went to visit this one

645
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: wine maker who was just unbelievable, and she was a

646
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: nurse who tended to the vines as if they were

647
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: as if they were people.

648
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: And so she took around and she didn't it was

649
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: all done by hand or horses, so it's really old school.

650
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: It was in the foot of a mountain and she'd

651
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 5: grow like wild roses up next to it, and I

652
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: mean it was so beautiful. But she she talked about

653
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: each plant like it was a person, and she wouldn't

654
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 5: pick the fruit or she was tending to some of

655
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 5: them and she wouldn't use it.

656
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: And the wine was the most beautiful.

657
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: You know.

658
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: But that story is something that's so kind of powerful,

659
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Speaker 5: and you see somebody who's committed their whole life, and

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Speaker 5: particularly I think with wine, it's like it's so I mean,

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Speaker 5: a hailstorm comes and you've lost the whole thing, you know,

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Speaker 5: So it's really on the edge agriculture.

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Speaker 2: You go to go, you know, very involved with olive

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Speaker 2: oil and wine. A lot of the people who produce

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Speaker 2: you know, wine produce olive oil. And then you'd go

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Speaker 2: in a year and they've had had as of hailstorm

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Speaker 2: in August and then the crap is over, you know,

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Speaker 2: and so they're living on this creativity. But it's based

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Speaker 2: on especially now especially.

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Speaker 1: She was amazing because also she was in an area

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Speaker 1: where there's a lot of big wine, little hot wine.

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Speaker 1: She was getting really fresh, beautiful wine that she's.

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Speaker 5: Arguably because she was farming it naturally, so the roots

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Speaker 5: had to go down, so far so instead of like

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Speaker 5: spraying it and the roots are on the top, so

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Speaker 5: you're getting those really big heavy ones. It was like,

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Speaker 5: really the roots were deep, so it was like very

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Speaker 5: very light, amazing wine. But all of that, Like finding

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Speaker 5: out stuff like that is incredible. You know, it makes

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Speaker 5: you enjoy it all so much more. You're like, this

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Speaker 5: is actually magic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing now?

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Speaker 5: I just finished a Netflix six part series called Black Doves,

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Speaker 5: which is about Tory MP's wife who is actually a

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Speaker 5: deep undercover secret agent selling government secrets. I'm basically a

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Speaker 5: complete two faced psychopath and I've been having an affair

687
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Speaker 5: and the person I've been having an affair with gets murdered,

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Speaker 5: and my best friend played by Ben Wisher, who's gorgeous

689
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Speaker 5: and he's an assassin, and we go on a murderous

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Speaker 5: rampage trying to avenge my boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: There was an amazing I went to set one on

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Speaker 1: one day and there was an amazing, amazing, juicy scene

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Speaker 1: between Ben, yourself and Tracy Ullman, which was I was

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Speaker 1: so lucky to watch them. Just masters, all of you

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Speaker 1: are brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 5: You had to flow that saved it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, James, tell me what you're working on.

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Speaker 1: Well, I finished a TV show called Daddy Issues, composed

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Speaker 1: of music for that, which is coming out in August

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Speaker 1: on BBC one, which is a lovely six part series

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Speaker 1: with Amy Leewood and David Morrissey. And then I'm just

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Speaker 1: doing the music for a documentary on a cappella singers

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Speaker 1: in America. It's an intercollegiate competition that they have in America,

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Speaker 1: very American college in America.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 1: They all saying that, yeah, and you can be very

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Speaker 1: you know, you could be cynical and go oh. A

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Speaker 1: lot of them, you know, singers, they just want to

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Speaker 1: be stars and stuff. But actually these people do the

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Speaker 1: work and they're very, very good and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of kind of very touching human stories behind a lot

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Speaker 1: of their journeys.

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Speaker 2: Great. When is that coming out.

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Speaker 1: It's been made right now, so it'll be finished in

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Speaker 1: the next month and then it'll probably go to the festivals.

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Speaker 1: What's the connection, Oh, this is a weird one. So

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Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend called Johann who is a director,

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Speaker 1: and we were on holiday in France and I was

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Speaker 1: at a supermarket getting food for the kids and they

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Speaker 1: get this cool from Johann saying, hey, James, Abba are reforming,

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Speaker 1: They've made a new album and they're going to do shows.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be involved? And I said yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1: So the next thing you know, I'm I met up

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Speaker 1: with Benny and Bjorn in London and they tell me

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Speaker 1: about their album and what the plans for what they

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Speaker 1: would do in and this is the Abba Voyage show.

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Speaker 1: And then I had to kind of put the band

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Speaker 1: to find forty odd musicians in London. We had to

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Speaker 1: rehearse them and audition and pick pick them, and then

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Speaker 1: I went to Stockholm for a month with Benny and

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Speaker 1: Bjorn in the band and we kind of figured out

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Speaker 1: the set and how it would work, and I spent

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Speaker 1: it was like the most magical month of my life

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Speaker 1: just hanging with Benny and Bjorn and getting to deconstruct

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Speaker 1: Abba songs and listen to all the individual parts of

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Speaker 1: bing A.

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Speaker 3: Phone calls from you and you were like like this.

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Speaker 1: Is the actual sense, that's the one. Yeah, And they're

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Speaker 1: the most lovely people, and it was all a bit

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Speaker 1: of a kind of no one knew exactly how it

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Speaker 1: would work out.

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Speaker 2: So I suppose if we're thinking about all your stories

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Speaker 2: and all your thoughts. Is there a food that you

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Speaker 2: would go to if you needed some comfort?

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Speaker 3: Spaghetti bolonaise?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean that's the thing that's come like, Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: love it. I mean, if I could have a bowl

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Speaker 5: and that's what's going to be in it, I'm just

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Speaker 5: going to be like the happiness, preferably with the glass

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Speaker 5: of red wine. But you know, but if not on

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Speaker 5: its own is fine, that.

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Speaker 1: Would be I don't know, wh do you know? I

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Speaker 1: know the first thing came to my head was actually

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Speaker 1: one of those toasty machines, which we don't.

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Speaker 2: Have that little pattern.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: But let's go back to why the cheese sandwich?

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Speaker 1: I guess because it goes back to maybe comfort. My

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Speaker 1: NaN's house was comfort. It was that probably because there's

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Speaker 1: no risk, there's no condiment involved.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're so wrong. What do you

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Speaker 5: mean because you have to put a bit of mustard

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Speaker 5: in there? Because that's what?

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you? The best cheese sandwich that you've

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Speaker 3: ever had? Come on?

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Speaker 5: It was Charlie's Charlie Charlie again, Charlie really good where

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Speaker 5: he did the thing? And yes he did of course, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know he told you he didn't, but

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Speaker 5: I was like, was there Mustard?

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Speaker 1: That was Muster.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about comfort and you're in an argument.

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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, I think we have to do another

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Speaker 2: one part too, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still together.

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Speaker 2: I think you will be. Thank you so much. Great,

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Speaker 2: let's go have some lunch.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Montclair