WEBVTT - Sand Dunes: They Are What You Think They Are

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<v Speaker 1>Should Know, a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Earth Science Time. Baby. I love this stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this one was a little well, it's about dry. I

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<v Speaker 1>just caught myself at the last second. Thank you. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a little dry though, Uh it was, But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we're talking sand dudes. There's just so much you

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<v Speaker 1>can do with something, do you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also one of those is kind of neat,

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<v Speaker 1>and that when next time I go to the beach

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<v Speaker 1>or the desert, I will I'm armed with a little

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<v Speaker 1>more knowledge, which is always nice. Are you gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>do some sandboarding? I don't think so, although I did

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<v Speaker 1>look at some videos. It sounds pretty awesome to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like a great way for a forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old to break his knee. Did you, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking your knee? Can you imagine? No? Did you, um

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the sound of dunes singing? Uh? Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that sound like in person? What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>life have you lived? I mean a life wire been

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<v Speaker 1>around some sand dunes? Wow, that's neat. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>heard the dune singing on a TV commercial shoot out

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<v Speaker 1>in the desert. That's where I heard it. Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>were they singing? Do you remember they were singing? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Fresh friends? No, No, these were not European dunes. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've been, um nice, you've been around dunes that were

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<v Speaker 1>not beach dunes, because my only experience has been just

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<v Speaker 1>beach dunes. Standards, stay off the dunes, beach dunes. These

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<v Speaker 1>are desert dunes. That's pretty neat. Yeah, it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I believe they had even done some Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars reshoots in this area of California. Wow, it wasn't Tunisia,

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<v Speaker 1>but it stood in for Tunisia. So I was told,

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<v Speaker 1>just like those hills stood in for Korea and mash

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. But this is a Michael bay Chevy commercial, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to stand around and watch him scream

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<v Speaker 1>at everybody that's neat man, what a good guy? Um Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I've only been around dunes on the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>coastal dunes, right, coastal dunes. But I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>you me, and I guess these would constitute coastal dunes.

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<v Speaker 1>But she said she taught in Japan, you know, um

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<v Speaker 1>years and years ago, and a prefecture called to Tori,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the least populated prefecture in Japan, and they

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<v Speaker 1>actually had some amazingly beautiful dunes which look like desert dunes,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's coastal. So I guess they're coastal dunes. But

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<v Speaker 1>they don't look like coastal dunes. They look like desert

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<v Speaker 1>dunes in South Carolina. No, it's definitely not. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like dunes in Japan that doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw him with my own eyes. And unless

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<v Speaker 1>she photoshopped these pictures they were real, which would have

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<v Speaker 1>really been something because they weren't even her pictures. They

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<v Speaker 1>were posted on the internet. It would be a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose she could have photoshop the pictures, started a

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<v Speaker 1>website with an unrelated name uploaded um and then made

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<v Speaker 1>it look like she was searching just Google images, which

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<v Speaker 1>she was just to fool me. And then she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you on a dune fake burn right, classic

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<v Speaker 1>dune fake fake but she um. She also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>she when she taught in Japan, um, she taught with

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<v Speaker 1>our buddy Raymie, who we're going to see in Toronto soon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Which, by the way, if you haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 1>your tickets to Chicago, it's probably too late for Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>by the time this comes out. How about this. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to this and you haven't bought your ticket

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<v Speaker 1>for Portland's Maine, shame on you. Okay, So sand dunes.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this article, by the way by Debbie Ronka yep,

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<v Speaker 1>And she basically says a sand dune needs three things

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<v Speaker 1>to form. You need loose sand because that's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>that can blow around you need wind to blow a

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<v Speaker 1>sand dune around, and then you need an obstacle, which

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<v Speaker 1>can be anything. It can be a bed of pebbles,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be a big rock, can be a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's something for the sand to hit and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't go any further. And then as more and

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<v Speaker 1>more sand hits that obstacle, the sand dune starts to build,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the sand dune itself becomes the obstacle. In

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most zen processes around on Earth. It

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<v Speaker 1>really really is. It's a true like uh layering effect

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<v Speaker 1>that if you see sped up with the time lapse camera, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty remarkable. Well, that actually reveals maybe the fact

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast to me, sand dunes move. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna say time lapse photography is possible, right if

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<v Speaker 1>but if you watch the sand dune over a long

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<v Speaker 1>enough exposure, you would see it moving forward. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. It doesn't just move in that like the

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<v Speaker 1>sand gets blown around and and you know, the sand

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<v Speaker 1>dune takes all these different shapes. It keeps its shape

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<v Speaker 1>and just moves forward depending on the type of dune

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<v Speaker 1>and the type of what's called wind regime in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I just think that it is amazing. They're

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<v Speaker 1>clearly alive and can feel pain. So you really shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>walk on the sand, dude. And the shape is so

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<v Speaker 1>dictated by the fact that, you know, maybe the wind

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<v Speaker 1>always blows in one direction where you are maybe opposed

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<v Speaker 1>in two directions only maybe it blows from many directions,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all gonna dictate this malleable living, breathing, breathing, feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>emotional beast right, that will kill you if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>treat it right. It has. It's killed a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>people at least. So let's talk about how wind can

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<v Speaker 1>move sand around. Uh. It's generally a few different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>There's uh saltation, which is mostly like of sand. Grains

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<v Speaker 1>move like this and that's just the wind is just

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<v Speaker 1>bouncing them along. Yeah, I thought these percentages were pretty specific.

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<v Speaker 1>Four percent, one percent, Like who who came up with

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<v Speaker 1>those percentages? Okay, all right, well then they probably are accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>There's creep, Yes, creep I'd never witnessed or heard of before,

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<v Speaker 1>of you, I don't think. So that's the four percent

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<v Speaker 1>um of sand moves this way, and this is when

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<v Speaker 1>grains are colliding with other grains um, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe gravel or something causing them to move. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>sand croquet. Yeah. Um, salmon croquettes, No, those aren't the

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<v Speaker 1>best croquettes if you ask me. Frankly, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come out and say it. The only way to eat

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<v Speaker 1>salmon is raw. I'm sorry. Oh I love a grilled

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<v Speaker 1>salmon with that crispy skin. M m mmm. I like

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<v Speaker 1>grilled fish. It's just when salmon is cooked, it undergoes

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<v Speaker 1>a taste conversion that I'm not a fan of. I

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<v Speaker 1>prefer it raw. No, I love raw salmon for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but I love that crispy skin so much. Hey, i'm

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<v Speaker 1>not yucking your young man. If you like cooked salmon,

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<v Speaker 1>have at it. And I do like fish skin, crispy

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<v Speaker 1>fish skin. I'm with you, but I'm more like a

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<v Speaker 1>cooked trout fish skin kind of guy. Yeah. Uh. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, a very big seventies meal um

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<v Speaker 1>in my household was the canned salmon croquettes. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had those. Yeah, it's just the bones, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't like there to be bones in my food.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. I'll eat something off the bone. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't want to be expected to actually eat the bone.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know at a good butcher or

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<v Speaker 1>a good fisher. Okay, but don't that. But aren't there

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<v Speaker 1>still really really tiny little bones. It depends on the salmon.

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<v Speaker 1>But sure with you. I don't like bones either, so um.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously we're talking about sand dunes still. Yeah, but the

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<v Speaker 1>suspension is the third way. We gotta finish that up

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Um, that's where that's where the wind blows

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<v Speaker 1>very strongly, um, so strongly and from enough different directions

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<v Speaker 1>at once that it actually lifts the sand into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what a US storm is, or a

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<v Speaker 1>sandstorm or um any number of Basically, if they're sand

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<v Speaker 1>blowing around in the air, that's this is the suspension

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<v Speaker 1>movement of sand up though in the air. Like when

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the beach. Sometimes you'll see sand in

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<v Speaker 1>the right conditions blowing along the ground that couple inches

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground. That's not the same thing, man, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's saltation. That hurts. That's really painful. Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it can hurt, can it? Oh? It can hurts. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>we've kind of already described like how a sand dune forms, um,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of sort of, but the there's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different kinds of sand dunes. We're gonna get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry. But there's a general way that a sand

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<v Speaker 1>dune forms where the sand blows along hits a something

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<v Speaker 1>that stops. It's for momentum, and then it starts to

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<v Speaker 1>pile up. And when this piling up happens, a sand

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<v Speaker 1>dune typically undergoes a fairly predictable um evolution, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas more and more sand builds up, the sand dune

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<v Speaker 1>gets bigger and bigger, and the sand just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>smacks into the back of the sand dune, and the

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<v Speaker 1>lighter sand will just continue up and over the sand dune.

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<v Speaker 1>And then once it makes it down the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>which is called the slip face, which is the side

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<v Speaker 1>that's protected from the wind, the um the sand dune

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of gets bigger and bigger. But eventually enough

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<v Speaker 1>sand will pile up on the back side that it

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<v Speaker 1>forms a crest where it basically piles up and forms

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<v Speaker 1>a peak or crest or something like that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>this crest can get so so big and so pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>that it will actually crumble under its own weight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just it's like raw physics before your

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<v Speaker 1>very eyes. These layers, those light sands blowing over and

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<v Speaker 1>it's layer after layer building up. Then that crest gets

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<v Speaker 1>super tall, like you could mess around with it if

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<v Speaker 1>you had a big bucket of dry sand with your

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<v Speaker 1>own hand. Sort of see this effect as you drop sand. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>when it does collapse, it's gonna avalanche down the slip

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<v Speaker 1>face and there is an angle it's called the angle

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<v Speaker 1>of repose, where it's sort of where that beautiful, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the word I'm looking for. Not symbiosis, but when

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<v Speaker 1>when something's pushing against something, the other things pushing right back,

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<v Speaker 1>and it all agrees that just to stop there in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle. I don't remember what it's called, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're talking about. It is beautiful, that's basically it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about thirty to forty thirty four degrees in general,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when it just reaches that perfect angle of

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<v Speaker 1>steepness that it's all just stable and solid. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>now you have a dune. It's no longer being born.

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<v Speaker 1>It's now living, and it's it's it still can keep growing,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's going to keep growing along these lines where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if if enough gets built up, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fall down into the angle of repose. More likely, the

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<v Speaker 1>sand will just continue going over the edge and then

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<v Speaker 1>being built up on the back side too. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>rump will grow basically. Yeah. And if you're like, winds

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<v Speaker 1>are really strong, it's probably gonna be taller. If the

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<v Speaker 1>winds are really gentle, it's probably going to be more

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<v Speaker 1>spread out. And the direction of the wind, the angle

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<v Speaker 1>of the wind um and like we mentioned earlier, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not its unidirectional, bi direction or multidirectional, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play a part into what kind of dune you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get. So let's take a break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk about the different kinds of dunes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Chuck. Have you ever read the book Dune? Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't either. Have you ever seen the movie? Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>Me either. That's interesting. You know they're making they're making

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<v Speaker 1>it again. Uh, that's great. That Dennis villaenieu guy. So

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<v Speaker 1>oh he's good. Yeah, he's amazing. He did the arrival, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so? Yeah? Or just a arrival. The arrival

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<v Speaker 1>is like old Charlie Sheen movie. I think, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a arrival. Okay, yeah, so, um, neither one

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<v Speaker 1>of us has seen or red dune. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>some email about this, I think. Yeah. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>knocking David Lynch either, of course, I want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>that in there, or Frank Herbert. Yeah, I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything. So um. So, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>dunes are the result of the winds that are im

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent in the area, and the most common dune on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth and um, little known fact, well maybe not little known,

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<v Speaker 1>but interesting fact. Um, the most common dunes on Mars

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<v Speaker 1>or what it called a cynic or crescent shaped dunes

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<v Speaker 1>and these are far and away the most common. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that more often than not, in any given area,

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<v Speaker 1>the wind is going to be blowing in the same

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<v Speaker 1>direction basically all the time. Yeah. And this got a

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<v Speaker 1>little confusing for me because the more I researched the

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<v Speaker 1>types of dunes, like I saw one place it said

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<v Speaker 1>there are five main types of sand dunes Barkin, transverse, blowout, linear,

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<v Speaker 1>and composite. Who said that a website that seemed very

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<v Speaker 1>educational and reliable. Weird, But I believe they are just

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<v Speaker 1>different words for some of these, and some of these

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<v Speaker 1>are subtypes of the main five. Because I believe a

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<v Speaker 1>crescentic is a bark in dune. Yes, if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not horseshoe shaped front facing the wind, I guess. So. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the big thing is where is the curve pointing

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<v Speaker 1>is the big differentiator for chryscentic. Yeah, Like I look

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<v Speaker 1>these up online, all these pictures, and like when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the chriscentic, uh, these look like sort of those

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<v Speaker 1>big beautiful dunes from Star Wars or Lawrence of Arabia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what most people think of when they think of

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<v Speaker 1>a dune. It's like a desert dune, right, exactly, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So chryscentic is if you imagine it is like a

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<v Speaker 1>U shape or a V shape. The underside or the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the U or the point the outside point

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<v Speaker 1>of the V is going to be pointing in the

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<v Speaker 1>direction opposite the wind, so it's pointing up wind. So

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<v Speaker 1>the wind is blowing and hitting that outside point of

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<v Speaker 1>the V or the bottom of the U, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really make sense um to me. The parabolic, which we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about later, makes more sense. But anyway, the parabolic

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<v Speaker 1>the same as a blowout, because a blowout dune is

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of a bar can, and that the curve,

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<v Speaker 1>the horseshoe curve, faces away from the wind. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna take five minutes to undo the confusion we

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<v Speaker 1>just created. Well, and there are some who studies this,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of geologists I believe, desert ecologists. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they are having a ball with this one. Just

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<v Speaker 1>up a drink, everybody, Yeah, all seventeen of them, buckle up.

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<v Speaker 1>So crescent shaped ones again, say they're U shape or

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<v Speaker 1>V shaped, and the bottom of the U or the

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<v Speaker 1>point of the V is pointing facing the wind, so

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<v Speaker 1>pointing up wind, the wind blows it. The wind the

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<v Speaker 1>sand that it's blowing onto the backside, onto the rump

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<v Speaker 1>of this dune blows up, it falls down avalanches, uh

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<v Speaker 1>under the slip face which is the inside of the

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<v Speaker 1>U or the V, and it's not as protected from

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<v Speaker 1>the wind. And what's amazing about this is because the

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<v Speaker 1>crescent shaped dune is the result of a wind regime

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<v Speaker 1>where the wind is blowing in one direction basically all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. These are the dunes that can actually move

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<v Speaker 1>and they can move pretty fast. They're one of two kinds,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can move pretty fast across the desert, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that sometimes these dunes, when there's many of them,

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<v Speaker 1>will catch up to one another, and they'll do some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing things when they catch up to one another. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so much so that they can threaten uh like villages,

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<v Speaker 1>and people have to try and stop these dunes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>some people have been known to pour motor oil on

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<v Speaker 1>dunes to keep them from moving. Because it winds the

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<v Speaker 1>sand without it drying out. It's not a good one. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You could plant vegetation, although if you're in the desert,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a great great thing because your plants are

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna die. Um more often than not. If you

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<v Speaker 1>just put up fencing, that that becomes an obstacle for

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<v Speaker 1>the dune, and the dune will stop in its tracks

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<v Speaker 1>and it will just keep building up on the back side.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually it might be big enough to overcome the dune,

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<v Speaker 1>but it will certainly slow it down for a good

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<v Speaker 1>many years for sure. But the thing about that crescent shape,

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<v Speaker 1>when when a small one catches up to a bigger one,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things can happen. One thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>it can appear as if the small one passes straight

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<v Speaker 1>through the big one. It is amazing. And then another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that can happen is to to um dunes. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember how if they're the same size or different

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<v Speaker 1>size when they come together, so that the arms are

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<v Speaker 1>the wings of the horns of that crescent shape, right,

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<v Speaker 1>not the main part, but the points that come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are called the horns of actually seen arms too.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts of different names. It's a giant mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody can agree on anything with dune ecology. But when

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<v Speaker 1>a different dune catches up and merges with it, it

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<v Speaker 1>can actually go from two dunes to three, which is

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<v Speaker 1>called breeding and the two So there's the one dune

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<v Speaker 1>that remains and then the other one basically splits into

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<v Speaker 1>two dunes that come out. The arms are the points

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<v Speaker 1>of the original dune. So when you had two, now

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<v Speaker 1>there's three, which is pretty astounding if you ask me,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're talking sand dunes here and breeding new dunes. Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty amazing too. So among the five types,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also enlisted as a transverse dune. I didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>them at all. Well, I think these are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that their long lines of rigid dunes and they're perpendicular

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<v Speaker 1>to the wind. Uh. They have really steep slip faces

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<v Speaker 1>at the backsides, and they're kind of wavy. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sand and not a lot of plants.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the dunes that like you see um,

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<v Speaker 1>like behind the beach are a lot of times are

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<v Speaker 1>transverse dunes. Okay, if I'm not mistaken, my understanding was

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<v Speaker 1>that parabolic we're the most um coastal dunes, maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>the most coastal, right, and I think there are different

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of dunes even along the coast, right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Again, it just depends on what the wind

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<v Speaker 1>is like in an area. And because wind regime is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be different for every kind of area, there's

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds of dunes. And um, what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>are the standard simple kinds of dunes. Dunes can like

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<v Speaker 1>we like we were just saying, can merge with one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Winds can change and different types of dunes will start

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<v Speaker 1>to form. You've got um compound and complex dunes to

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<v Speaker 1>which can be two different kinds of dunes merged together. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of weird things that can happen

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<v Speaker 1>with dunes. They're they're very rarely just a simple, straight up,

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward kind of dune. Yeah, there are linear dunes. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>These are mostly parallel to the wind, and these form

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<v Speaker 1>these long straight ridges and they think geologists think that

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<v Speaker 1>they are caused by wind that blows in one They

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<v Speaker 1>are definitely bi directional as far as the wind goes,

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<v Speaker 1>but they think they're cause when wind blows from one

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<v Speaker 1>direction in one part of the year and then another

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<v Speaker 1>direction and another part of the year, right, So they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're like long lines basically. Yeah. But it's interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the winds will shift over you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the course of a year, so it's not like every

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<v Speaker 1>day they're shifting, no, but it's enough and they're powerful

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<v Speaker 1>enough that they're blowing any any kind of um rump

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<v Speaker 1>or base of these and it's just a big long

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<v Speaker 1>line of saying sometimes very sharp depending on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just how sharp the bi directionality of the wind is.

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<v Speaker 1>Um star ones. This is one of my favorites. These

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty cool. So if you tell what you would think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's like a sand dune that looks a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like a star, they have a pyramidal mound that goes

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<v Speaker 1>up in the middle um and then at least three

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<v Speaker 1>arms with um slip faces, you know, the avalanche face

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<v Speaker 1>radiating out from that middle And these are the results

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<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of different wind directions throughout a year

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<v Speaker 1>building up. So rather than moving along the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the earth, these things is kind of build up in space.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're actually some of the tallest ones. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's some that are like fivet tall in deserts in China, um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty pretty amazing. I mean that's tall, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a sand border. Yeah, I mean you can

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<v Speaker 1>simulate all this stuff, like you can make your hand

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<v Speaker 1>the wind if you're at the beach and you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>with sand. I mean you just think about if you're

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<v Speaker 1>pushing the sand in one direction only, it's gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way. If you push then in another direction,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna look a certain way. And then in the

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<v Speaker 1>case of a star, if you're using your hand pushing

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<v Speaker 1>sand in and all these different directions, it's gonna grow

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<v Speaker 1>upward and it's not gonna grow laterally. Right right. We

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<v Speaker 1>should have probably said at the outset that it helps

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<v Speaker 1>a lot if you go look up images of the

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<v Speaker 1>different types of dunes we're talking about. Help me and

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<v Speaker 1>look up. Look up dune porn. Yeah, I'm sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Um okay, Now there's parabolic or parabolic I say.

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<v Speaker 1>You say parabolic, I say parabolic. So these are basically

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of crescent shaped, where this time, the inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the U or the inside point of the V

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<v Speaker 1>is what the wind is blowing into, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the U or the outside of the V

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<v Speaker 1>is what's facing in the direction that the wind is going.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's down wind, right. It's what you would think of,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're just thinking about moving sand with wind

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<v Speaker 1>via physics. This this one makes the most sense. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about parabolic that really distinguishes it from crescent

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<v Speaker 1>is that usually they're made of sand that is, has

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of water attached to it or vegetation so

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<v Speaker 1>that the arms are anchored, So the arms stay in

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<v Speaker 1>the same place. They just get longer and longer as

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of the dune the middle part keeps moving

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<v Speaker 1>further and further away, which is pretty cool if you

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you imagine this stuff on a like a

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<v Speaker 1>time lapse or you know, happening really quickly. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be a little treaty shrubs, grasses and what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about what can grow in dunes. But

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<v Speaker 1>these things very much served as the anchor on those arms. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are not gonna be very tall obviously if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about like the way they're going to form,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that those arms are anchored down, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be super tall. Um. And then where that vegetation

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna stop, it's gonna slow the advance of that

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<v Speaker 1>sand accumulation. Right. They used to think it was strictly

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<v Speaker 1>just the vegetation um that anchors the arms, but they

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<v Speaker 1>apparently have discovered recently that no, it's actually more water

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<v Speaker 1>logged sand like in the arms than than we previously thought.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's probably the water it acts as motor oil,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. And then on this original nost of five

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<v Speaker 1>main types, the composite dunes were the last one listed,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is just sort of a combination of two

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<v Speaker 1>or more types of other dunes. Um, these are really big,

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<v Speaker 1>they're very tall. Uh. They form these big hilly forms

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<v Speaker 1>called draws d r a a s and they're mostly

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<v Speaker 1>transverse in linear dunes, and they can be like taller

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<v Speaker 1>than fours. They're they're gigantic. Wow, that's really cool. What

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<v Speaker 1>makes them so big? I think just the combination of

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<v Speaker 1>the dunes I was just just running together. That's pretty neat. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another one I want to give a shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to Chuck is lithified dunes or slick rock, like the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of that you see like in a painted desert

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. That's actually like a hardened sand dune that

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<v Speaker 1>over time water has flown, has moved through, and as

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<v Speaker 1>it moved through, it basically fossilized the sand dune because

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>it deposited minerals of different types. And these minerals can

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<v Speaker 1>create like layers or strata um that that have different colors.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's but it's actually originally it was a sand dune. Gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been you talk quite a few times, yep. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we to talk about the subaqueous too, because those

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty great. They're underwater dunes and uh, if you've like,

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<v Speaker 1>you see these a lot in natural channels like rivers

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Um, but they can also form and you

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>know in a canal that man has built, which is

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting. They moved downstream always and they tend to

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>be of the same height and the same wavelength the

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 1>same frequency, like they're they're equally spaced apart. And I

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize this, but it makes total sense. The presence

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>of um dunes on the bottom of like a channel

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.160
<v Speaker 1>or a river or something. It increases the river's likelihood

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>of flooding because it decreases um flow. It increases resistance,

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>decreases flow, and so the water actually piles up and

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>overflows because it's running into sand dunes at the bottom. Amazing,

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>It is amazing. I don't know if we've gotten this

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>across yet or not everybody, but sand dunes are a

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>little more amazing than you might have thought, certainly more

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>amazing than say, Jackhammers. You want to take another break, Yeah,

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 1>let's do it. We're going to take a break everybody,

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>in case you didn't here, and we will be right

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>back with coastal dunes. Okay, So the dunes that I

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>am probably most people have seen more than any our

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>coastal dunes, the dunes at the beach, the dunes that

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>have a science says stay off the dunes. There's probably

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>some plants growing on them, and UM didn't protected. They

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>are protected and they're protective too, that's right, But really

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I was I realized this as I was researching this

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>tuck they really protect human interests. They don't really do.

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>They don't. There's not a whole lot that they're doing

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>besides replenishing the sand that makes up the shore ecosystem

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>after a storm. They're basically like a reserve sand um pile,

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>so that when a storm happens that the sea goes,

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>give me some of that, and it takes the sand

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>out and replenishes it and then starts this process over again.

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Because that's where the sand dune originally comes from. Is

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>waves bring sand ashore, and the sand starts to blow

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>inward inland and runs into something in the way, And

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>like I said, at the outset, it could be a

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>bed of pebbles, it could be shells, it could be

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>some vegetation that's already growing there, and it starts to

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>build up. And that's where coastal sand dunes begin. Yeah,

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it's really cool they have. First of all, uh, an

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>embryo done is a real term, which is really kind

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of funny and kind of like I imagined, is like

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>sticky in Yoki Cross. But how how these things uh like,

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>how vegetation comes to um to work with dunes, and

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>they kind of scratch each other's backs. Uh. In this

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>case is rotting seaweed will will come in from a storm,

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>let's say, because a sand dune in itself originally doesn't

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>have like a ton of nutrients to allow stuff to grow. Yeah,

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just minerals basically, like like quarts and ground up

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>calcium carbonate and not much else. Yeah, so you would

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>be surprised if anything grew there. But what will happen

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>is the tide will bring in plant life and like

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>rotting seaweed and added, you know, they dump their nutrients

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>there and that allows what they call a pioneer species

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to colonize because all of a sudden there's some nutrients there.

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>And this can be mainly grasses, like all different kinds

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of kinds of sea grasses and uh, these plants, you know,

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>these are sea grasses. So they you know, they can

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>grow well in really harsh conditions like super salty area

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>as um they're getting beat by wind and they really

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>typically have these big, deep, long roots. They're gonna go

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>all the way down to the water table and that's

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna they're gonna get there, uh their drink, and

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna just bind that sand together. And it's like

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, they kind of work together to make the

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>sand makes the plant stronger. The plants make the sand

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>stronger or the dune rather yeah. Yeah, And once those

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>pioneer species of grasses are established, they start to change

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the actual like composition of the dune and they make

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it more um. Yeah to other kinds of species that

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>aren't quite as pioneering but are still pretty hardy compared

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>to say like you're you know, your your rosebush or something.

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>They there's you know, woody perennials like um beach elder.

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>There's heaths and heathers UM in the UK, they grow

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>on on coastal dunes and UM. All that these do

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>is create uh an eve and stronger, more nutrient rich

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>type soil as these things live and grow and fix

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>nitrogen and turn more seaweed into even more nutrients UM.

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And they also allow it to retain water. Although I

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>think basically to a species, any plant that can grow

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>on a sand dune is is basically developed UM techniques

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to resist losing water. Like they have small crinkly leaves

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that that don't evaporate water nearly as easily. So the

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>name of the game is to get as many nutrients

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.479
<v Speaker 1>out of unfriendly um soil as possible and keep as

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>much of the water as you can get from the

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>water table. Yeah, which is why they protect dunes. I mean,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>when you when you go to the beach, you're gonna

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>see signs that say stay off the dunes, and you

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to, you know, because the fear is that

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>humans will go in there, which is exactly what would happen,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and trample on these grasses. And then that little relationship

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>is busted apart when those grasses die off or even worse,

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>are pulled up, maybe because you want to take some

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>home or something, and then the sand dune is compromised.

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Look at the girl from the beach, so one one.

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Even without human intervention, these coastal dunes can turn into

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>parabolic dunes if something happens, like a storm search happens

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and carves out like a significant portion of the sand

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>in front of the dune, because now there's nothing holding

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>that dune in place, and it's exposed to the wind

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>even further, and so the dune itself will start to

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>move forward, but the arms will stay in place, and

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that's the coastal dune is just turned into a parabolic

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>dune too, and it's moving inland, which if you have

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>a house built there, that's a problem for you. But

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>one thing that I didn't realize, but I totally now

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I've I've seen it all over the place, but I

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>never put tune two together. If you've ever noticed, um,

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>an established beach will almost always have like a conifer

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>like pine tree forest. And apparently that's like the end result,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like of the progressional evolution of a don ecosystem, is

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a pine forest is going to grow because they're adapted

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to grow in this this soil that's been prepared over

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>time that started out as a single piece of dead

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>seaweed and ended up into a whole pine forest. I mean,

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>for sure, there are a lot of pine trees in

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the Florida Panhandle. Yeah, but you never think about it.

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But that's that that's like a don eco system. But

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that's part of the dune. That's like the I think

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the climax ecosystem is what they call it. Yeah, And

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've ever been to a beach

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 1>not so long after a hurricane is hit, but it, uh,

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.719
<v Speaker 1>it's just devastating to look at. I mean, you always

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>obviously think of people in homes that are destroyed and

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, but if you look at the actual

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>beach itself, um, it's pretty brutal. Like it can take

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>decades for that beach itself to recover and for those

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 1>dunes to re cover. Um. Like I was in South

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Carolina not a couple of years ago, not too long

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>after one of the hurricanes, and it was like you're

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:10.399
<v Speaker 1>used to seeing these big broad beaches with these big

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>flowy dunes, and this was like a cliff. It was

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>just sand that eventually went up. Uh, you know, the

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>water line met just a hard like jeez a man,

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>some places like ten and twelve feet like a sand cliff,

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and it just looks completely unnatural, like not like the

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>beaches that you're used to seeing. And selfishly, as you

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>know as a beach goer, some parts were just completely impassable,

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Like you couldn't even get to the beach unless you

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>like repelled down the wall or something, and you certainly

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get back up from what I could tell, though,

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>that's just part of this natural process. And like removing

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and then slowly replenishing, and like I was saying earlier,

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the dunes protect human habitation. Like you want a dune

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>if you live on a coastal beach area. It's like

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>a big stack of sandbags. It is, and and like

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you build your house right behind it, and it provides

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>this buffer from storm surges and stuff like that. But

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 1>when it's when it's taken away, if it takes decades

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>to rebuild, you may want to move elsewhere. Apparently after

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Sandy, there's parts of New Jersey still that they're saying, like,

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is habitable anymore. Maybe it

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>will be in like fifty years after the dunes come back.

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>But this is not like it's it's like we can't

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>live here anymore. It's because the dunes have have been removed.

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>And people in New Jersey said, have you ever been

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to Newark? Yeah? At the New York's come a long way,

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>has it? Oh? Sure, okay? But when I first started

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>going there in the in the early to mid nineties,

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>it was it was a different story. I love Newark,

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>it's great. Do you really sure? Okay? I love all

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>of New Jersey. That's my second home, all right, there

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>you go. Speaking of second homes, we should talk about that.

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>What little critters make their home their first time them

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>in the dunes? M hm do you like? Well? I did?

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>It was pretty nice. That was a classic sk So

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean kind of like we were talking about before,

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>like a big pile of sand is not an an

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 1>intuitive place for plants to live or animals to live. Um,

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>but because of all the nutrient dumps that the ocean

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>brings in, uh, it can, uh it can end up

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>being a really thriving ecosystem. There can be little little

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>flower dune flowers. There can be little rats and mice. Uh,

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>certainly snakes and lizards if you're in the desert. Um.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 1>But obviously these are only going to be things like

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you can't completely discount like nature. These all have to

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>be very very drought tolerant. Plants Oh yeah, for sure,

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>but there are adapted to grow on these dunes. And

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you know when you add a plant and a lizard

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and an insect and a bird or something like that, Um,

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 1>you got yourself a nice little ecosystem going. And they're

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>definitely dune ecosystems that have developed over time. Beatles, crickets, Yeah,

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I was looking up. I was like, our dung beetles

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a dune bug. Apparently, my friend, dung beetles are an

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>anywhere beetle there on every continent, in just about every

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>ecosystem except for Antarctica. Really, yeah, we're gonna have to

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>do at least the short stuff on the dung beetle

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>because it's a poop beetle. It gathers poop, and I

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>think that's pretty neat. Yeah. I remember watching those guys

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>roll those little poop balls around and the what was

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it the Planet Earth videos? Yeah, for sure, pretty great,

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>or maybe it was micro Cosmos. I can't remember it was.

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>They they're I mean, they're they're pretty frequent TV gets

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of movies. Remember when they're on the

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Man Drill Sister Show. Yeah, man, that was brought the

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>House down, Man Drill Sisters. Did you watch that? No?

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Ohio. We didn't have that. Oh

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 1>it was nation wide, you kidd me? No, I'm I'm

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>sure this is when people in New York City watched

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he haw Right. Yeah, I know. Everybody was on cebes

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and acted like they were truckers, wore truckers shirts. Crazy.

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>That was a cool little period in the seventies, you know. Yeah,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it was a little weird trucker culture took over yeph

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>What else is gonna hurt dunes? Deforestation? It sounds weird

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to use that word about um sand dunes, but yeah,

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's those coda for forests. Yeah, you can

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>DeForest e conifer forest just like any other forest. You jerk,

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 1>not you, I'm saying the person who cuts down the

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>conifer forest. That's right. Yeah, what else you got anything else? Uh? Now,

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>we talked about the singing sand dunes, which if you

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard, go listen. It's pretty neat and it's really

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>just sand, dry sand falling over itself in an avalanche,

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and again proof positive that sand dunes are alive and

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>can feel pain. That's right. Uh, that's it for sand dunes.

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the last thing we have to say is

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 1>stay off the dunes. If it says day off the dunes,

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.720
<v Speaker 1>just don't go on them, especially with your dune buggy.

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was that was another seventies little fad to

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 1>doom buggies. Yeah. They they also have beaches still where

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you can drive your car. I'm not a big fan

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 1>of that. No, because even if it's not eroding the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>It's small gone the beach. Come on, it's just ugly.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to go to the beach and see

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<v Speaker 1>someone's stupid car. Nope, I can barely stand seeing people's

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<v Speaker 1>bare feet. Agreed. Uh, Well, since we said that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time of course, friends for listener mail. Uh. Chuck got

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<v Speaker 1>me out of a parking ticket. Hi, guys, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Camber M a grad student at Indiana University, Go Hoosiers. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But I work in Indianapolis, A fairly new listener about

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<v Speaker 1>six months. But I have to drive a lot for

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<v Speaker 1>school and work and family, so I spent a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time listening to you guys. Uh. And I need

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<v Speaker 1>to let Chuck know that he saved me hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars with so you. Winding back to Friday night, I

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<v Speaker 1>was driving to Louisville, Kentucky, about a two hour drive

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<v Speaker 1>and might have been going seventy and get fold over

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this is it. I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>take out extra loans, get another job, My insurance is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go up. And then I remember what Chuck said

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<v Speaker 1>about getting out of his speeding tickets and just surrendering

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<v Speaker 1>myself to the law, so I thought, why not give

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<v Speaker 1>it a try, and it worked. Not only do I

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<v Speaker 1>did I not have to pay for a park or

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<v Speaker 1>for a speeding ticket, but you saved my insurance from spiking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll always remember this in future situations. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna work in my lad foot first. Thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for the advice, and thank you for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys listen almost every day. I don't know what my

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<v Speaker 1>morning commute would be without it. That is from Camber Soulberger.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice first of all, Camber, great name, Cambra Solberger, even

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<v Speaker 1>greater name, that's one of the great names. And then

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, Chuck getting you out of a ticket. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just an all around fantastic listener mail Charles Greed. Well,

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