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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling.

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Speaker 4: Raivalry.

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Speaker 3: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 4: Revelry.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Kate.

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Speaker 2: Quiet, I'm trying to do an intro.

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Speaker 4: Everyone.

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Speaker 2: Everyone be quiet. I'm trying to do an intro.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say before anyone spoke,

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Speaker 2: was that we have John Edward here, who is a

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Speaker 2: world renowned medium, and he was we're lucky enough to

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Speaker 2: be graced his presence.

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Speaker 3: Kate.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I was going to say. Kate couldn't be

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Speaker 2: here because she's working. And then I was going to say,

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Speaker 2: but we have another incredible human being here who happened

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Speaker 2: to give birth to myself. Her name is Goldiehan, better

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Speaker 2: known as my mother, who's here as well.

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Speaker 3: She's also my mother.

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Speaker 2: And in this scenario, you weren't here yet, right, Remember that?

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Speaker 5: When did you ever stake to your script? Is what

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Speaker 5: I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Never I stick to ideas, and then the ideas are less.

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Speaker 4: And right feeling the revelry. I'm feeling it.

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Speaker 2: You're feeling the feel But you know, look, we've grown

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Speaker 2: up with the psychics and medium's mom has been extremely

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Speaker 2: involved in this. Then of course myself and my sister

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Speaker 2: are as well. I've consulted oracles of you know, should

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Speaker 2: I do this job or not. I'm like, Mom, call somebody.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I should do this gig or not.

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Speaker 2: You know, Mom's like, okay, hold on, speed dove, speed dove, speeded.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring Mommy into I know.

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Speaker 4: I'm yeah, this.

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Speaker 2: Is John for a long long time.

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Speaker 5: I mean really really happy it meets to John. I'm excited.

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Speaker 5: And all the amazing work that you have done over

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Speaker 5: these years and literally you know, we're brought in with

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Speaker 5: a gift and how you've used it as extraordinary. So

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Speaker 5: you've helped a lot of people. And I know that

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Speaker 5: when you were born and you were a little boy

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Speaker 5: and you were having all of these visions and things,

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Speaker 5: I mean looking at it as a kind of a

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Speaker 5: game for you, you know a little did you know at

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Speaker 5: that time the impression that you're going to have on

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Speaker 5: so many people. So anyway, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you yeah, let's start there. Where did you

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Speaker 2: grow up?

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Speaker 4: I grew up on Long Island, a small town called Glencoe.

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Speaker 4: My dad Irish American New York City police officer, career,

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Speaker 4: military guy. Wow. Mom very Italian, one of eleven. My

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Speaker 4: grandmother was very into this subject matter, so therefore her

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Speaker 4: children were open to the subject matter. My dad was not,

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Speaker 4: So there was a polar opposite of belief. And my

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Speaker 4: dad's rule was make sure my son is never around

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Speaker 4: any of that bs, and my mom made sure that

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Speaker 4: We moved into my grandmother's house, which I always jokingly

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Speaker 4: referred to as the paranormal hub of activity. But I

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Speaker 4: had adopted my dad's philosophy that this wasn't real. So

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Speaker 4: I used to make fun of all the people that

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Speaker 4: came to my grandmother's house to do readings until I

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Speaker 4: met one woman who read for me, and she was

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Speaker 4: the woman who put me on my path. And I

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Speaker 4: the way millions of people looked at her subject matter.

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Speaker 4: And I want to emphasize again, I was fifteen, and

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Speaker 4: she sounded like she was batshit crazy. And I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this woman is delusional. But everything she told me happened,

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Speaker 4: and she told me things that this is no way possible.

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Speaker 4: do readings. I actually felt violated. I felt like this

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Speaker 4: every book in nineteen eighty five that was on the

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Speaker 4: This is common sense. Like we all have these moments

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Speaker 4: And the responses were normally no, like you've never ever

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Speaker 4: just hypothetically got a glimpse of somebody in your family

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Speaker 4: that I had. So I kind of realized that, Okay,

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Speaker 4: so maybe some of my earlier experiences had to be reframed.

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Speaker 4: And that became a journey of analyzing what I experienced,

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Speaker 4: what I see here and feel, how do I perceive things?

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Speaker 4: And then I just dove headfirst and within a year

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Speaker 4: I was doing ratings at sixteen. Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 2: So going back just a little bit, when you had

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Speaker 2: when you're growing up in such a polarizing family where

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Speaker 2: you have the Irish cop and the Italian mom, which

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Speaker 2: is just so amazing, by the way, I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: like a sitcom there, I think, I know, but the

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Speaker 2: it was almost like you strangely had the best of

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Speaker 2: both worlds in that you had this ability, but there

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Speaker 4: In a way for me, they both they they were

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Speaker 4: a catalyst of how I viewed the subject matter because

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Speaker 4: I think that inherently I'm an analytical, logical person. I

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Speaker 4: like information, and I was the kid that was thrown

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Speaker 4: And I say this openly. I wasn't trying to be

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Speaker 4: a disruptive kid. Things just didn't make sense. Like when

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Speaker 4: people would say things, I'd be like, wait, wait, but

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Speaker 4: how come and why? And I was taught, well, you're

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Speaker 4: not supposed to question that. You're supposed to just believe that.

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Speaker 4: You're just supposed to know that and that's what we believe.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, well that's not working for me,

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Speaker 4: So where are the other three that you're getting five from?

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Speaker 4: And people couldn't like address those things. So there were

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Speaker 4: those moments, and I think what I always want people

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Speaker 4: to be is a seeker. Is if we're being a seeker,

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Speaker 4: that leads to us exploring, and if we have exploration,

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Speaker 4: that can lead to discovery. Once you have discovery, that

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Speaker 4: raises your awareness and once your awareness is raised to something,

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Speaker 4: now you can put that into action. That's been my

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Speaker 4: life and it's always like ooh, I want to learn more.

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Speaker 4: I want to know more, and I am inquisitive by

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Speaker 4: nature as well. So you put all this together and

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Speaker 4: I became almost insatiable with information. I was like, I

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Speaker 4: want to learn more about astrology. I want to know

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Speaker 4: about neurology, I want to lear about psychometry, all of

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Speaker 4: these things that were like tools of divination, not to predict,

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Speaker 5: So interesting because I have the question and wonder how

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Speaker 5: what is going on? What is going on in your mind?

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Speaker 5: What happens when you're seeing things and you don't know why?

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Speaker 5: And I think, having had some mysel excuse me, I'm

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Speaker 5: looking at that, and I am so curious about that

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Speaker 5: very thing. What is happening? Why is it? Then when

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Speaker 5: you go to sleep and you have a dream about

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Speaker 5: your father who's long gone, and he's telling you everything's

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Speaker 5: going to be okay, and you're sitting on a mountaintop

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Speaker 5: and it feels so real, and then you wake up

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Speaker 5: the next morning and you feel like you've been blessed.

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Speaker 5: What is that?

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Speaker 4: That's a visit? Right, that's a visit. It's a visit.

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Speaker 4: That's a visit. That's a difference. There's a difference between

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Speaker 4: a visit and a dream. Dreams fade and dreams of

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Speaker 4: this like amalgamation of what like kind of comes together

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Speaker 4: in our unconscious mind with like life and fears and thoughts,

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Speaker 4: and but a visit is where they're coming through directly

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Speaker 4: to you and they're going to let you know that

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Speaker 4: it's them, and it's usually positive and very vivid. They

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Speaker 4: nuggets of information about your future to validate that it

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Speaker 4: was really them. But when you wake up, you won't

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Speaker 4: forget it. You could have had it fifty years ago exactly,

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Speaker 4: remember it like it was five minutes ago, because it

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Speaker 4: was an encounter. It was a real meeting.

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Speaker 5: So I guess the other question is is because speaking

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Speaker 5: correct about the things that particularly the people from the

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Speaker 5: how did that person know that or the channel? And

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Speaker 5: but my other bigger question is that I'm filled with

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Speaker 5: other side from a facilitator like that, what are they feeling?

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Speaker 5: Do they have emotions? Where are these entities? What do

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Speaker 5: they feel like? Because when Daddy says to me, you know,

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Speaker 5: know that was something you always told me. No one

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Speaker 5: knows that. But what did daddy feel?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: When my mom came to me and said things to

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Speaker 5: me about the laughs we had and sofas in the car.

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Speaker 5: My point is, I would like to know that they're

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Speaker 5: in some form that is real. So when you're doing

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Speaker 5: this and you see the people, you hear them, they're

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Speaker 5: speaking to you, you're sharing. What do you think they're feeling?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess the idea is consciousness, Like what is consciousness?

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Speaker 2: When we die, our consciousness die.

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Speaker 4: So I think that they're more real than we are.

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Speaker 4: I think the vibration and the frequency that they operate

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Speaker 4: on is a more real dimension of the essence of

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Speaker 4: who we truly are, and that here in the physical form,

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Speaker 4: we're lowering our vibration and we're now playing a role. Right.

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Speaker 4: You guys are amazing actors, and you've been in so

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Speaker 4: many different things, but at the core, you're you. But

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Speaker 4: you played roles, not the roles you played. However, each

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Speaker 4: role you played contributes to who you are and your

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Speaker 4: body of work. So if our soul is the actor

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Speaker 4: and the lifetimes that we've been in are the roles,

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Speaker 4: we're an amalgamation of all of that. And then that

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Speaker 4: tapestry we've all been a part of. You have been

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Speaker 4: probably in multiple lives and multiple incarnations, and now it

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Speaker 4: just reinforces what your relationship dynamic is, and that's love, right.

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Speaker 4: The pure essence of who they feel like is coming

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Speaker 4: from a place of love, and that's what they want

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Speaker 4: to convey. So I always want people to know that

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Speaker 4: they're okay, we're not They're they're doing all right, and

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Speaker 4: they're they're still with us. And when they come through,

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Speaker 4: they're going to come through with like regular, everyday, trivial,

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Speaker 4: but stuff to say, hey, I know that you did that,

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Speaker 4: and by the way, I was with you when you

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Speaker 5: What do you just.

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Speaker 4: So I am going to say everything I'm seeing, hearing,

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Speaker 3: Well, I have so many questions, but I I you know,

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of superstition that goes on that side

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Speaker 4: And prayer and when your grandmother has a you know,

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Speaker 4: have to go to church? You're not going to church?

435
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 4: And then I got to do as I say, not

436
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 4: as I do. Speech. Yeah, so my grandmother dragged me

437
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 4: to church pretty much every day until I went to

438
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 4: first grade.

439
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: On your dad's side, my mom's side, your mom's side,

440
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: So your mom was not a church goer, not a churchgoer, no,

441
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: and your but your dad was Catholic yep. And so

442
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: how did that work with he was.

443
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 5: Very vested and you know, if you want to call

444
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 5: it psychic phenomenon and so forth. So probably that's something

445
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 5: that the church was look a little bit down.

446
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,719
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, how do you how would they

447
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: square religion?

448
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 4: And so when my mom and dad divorced, I remember

449
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: we were at a family wedding or something, and my

450
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: mom sat in the back row of the church, away

451
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: from everybody else in the family. And my mom was

452
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 4: a little bit of a you know, she was a

453
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 4: moody kan serrian. I'll leave it at that. So I

454
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 4: thought she was making a choice to sit back there.

455
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 4: And then I said, come come sit with us, and

456
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 4: she was like no. And then after the fact, I

457
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 4: said why wouldn't you come sit with us and she said, well,

458
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: because I'm a divorced woman, I'm basically excommunicated as a Catholic.

459
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: And I was like, would you get a letter from Rome.

460
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, come say with your family, and she said no, no, no.

461
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: So I grew up in the family that was if

462
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 4: you missed Mass and didn't go to confession, you couldn't

463
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 4: say an act of contrition and receive It was like, no, no,

464
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: you have to go to confession type of thing. So

465
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: even though she didn't really go, she still believed in

466
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 4: what the rules were. And therefore I thought that because

467
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 4: of what I did, then I too was sitting in

468
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: the back pew of the church. And then on one

469
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 4: day I got an appointment where at two o'clock. My

470
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 4: appointment said Francis. And when I opened the door, there

471
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 4: was a nun there and it was sister Francesca. And

472
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,239
Speaker 4: I said, can I help you? And she said are

473
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: you John? And I said I am. She goes, I'm

474
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 4: your two o'clock and I went, oh, okay, come on in.

475
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 4: You know, I'm my grandmother. Now super Catholic is like

476
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 4: a nun is coming to see her right, And I

477
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 4: bring her upstairs and she goes into the room that

478
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to read in, and I said, I'll be

479
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 4: right with you. And then I went into the other

480
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 4: room when I called my girlfriend, which is not my wife,

481
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: and I was like, there's a nun here, and she's like,

482
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: why I went for a reading? And she goes, then

483
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 4: why are you calling me? Because like I'm distracted. She's like,

484
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 4: why are you distracted? Is she topless? I was like, Sidra,

485
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 4: She's like full on in her nun the habit and whatever.

486
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: She's like, John, I am working. She's like, go read

487
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 4: the nun. Yeah, I compose myself.

488
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: I go back in the room next book.

489
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 4: I sit there. I sit there and I was like,

490
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 4: I do the reading for her. And at the end,

491
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 4: she said, do you know why I'm here? I said, well,

492
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: I was assuming you wanted to hear from your family,

493
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: and she said no, I was here to have you arrested.

494
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: And I was like, excuse it. She goes, yeah, she goes,

495
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: I run a grief group. She goes, and all my

496
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 4: grief patrons that come to the group are sharing your name,

497
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: and one by one they were all coming to you.

498
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 4: She said, I needed to make sure that you were legitimate.

499
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 4: And I was like, and how's the rest of my

500
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 4: day looking? And she goes, it looks amazing. She goes,

501
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 4: and it's clear God gave you a beautiful ability. And

502
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: I'm very pleased that you'll be helping me with my

503
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: grief group. And I said I will, and she said, yes,

504
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 4: you will, and it will be for free. And for

505
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: years after that, I would do groups at the convent

506
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 4: in the basement. When she let her grief groups, oh

507
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 4: my god. On the same day, the exact same day,

508
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: my last client, here's me telling the story and says

509
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: to me, I think I should tell you something and

510
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: I said, no, no, no, I need to have a clean,

511
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 4: blank slate when I read somebody, I don't like any information.

512
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: I don't want any buyas right. And to be really honest,

513
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 4: I was really hungry because I don't eat when i'm

514
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 4: gonna read, so I just wanted to, like, now, get

515
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 4: through this last reading so I can go eat. And

516
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 4: I sit down with him and I said, I have

517
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: your dad here, and he goes, you do, and I

518
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 4: went I do. He goes, I'm going to need to

519
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 4: use your phone, and I said why he goes because

520
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 4: I just had dinner with him, and if he's dead now,

521
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: oh my mom must be very upset. And I looked

522
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 4: at him. I was like, oh, this kind of snark

523
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 4: is not going to work for me when I'm hungry.

524
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 4: So I said, well, if it's not your dad, then

525
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: I have your father in law. He goes, I can

526
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: assure you you do not have my father in law.

527
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 4: And I go, why do you have dinner with him too?

528
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 4: And he goes, no, I'm not married. I'm And when

529
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 4: he said I'm, all of a sudden, like his clothing

530
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 4: all went black in my mind and I saw the

531
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 4: collar and I went, oh, my god, you were a priest,

532
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 4: because that's I wanted to tell you when I heard

533
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: you tell the other story. So I read for him,

534
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 4: and at this at the end of the reading, he

535
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: told me the same thing. He said that same thing

536
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: his patrons, his you know, come the church, people will

537
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: come to see him, come and see me. And he

538
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: wanted to make sure that I was legit. And and

539
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 4: then I looked at him and I went why today,

540
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 4: Like why would like, why would the universe send me

541
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: a priest and a nun on the same day with

542
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 4: the same purpose. And he like squarely hit me between

543
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 4: the eyes. He goes, because you feel like you're an

544
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 4: outcast and you don't have a place, and you don't

545
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: feel like you belong anymore, he goes, and I think

546
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: we're here to let you know that you could still

547
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: do what you do, you could still help people, and

548
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: you're allowed to have your faith in God. Wow. Yeah,

549
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 4: And it was like I felt like the universe sent

550
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: me like not just a life preserver, but like a

551
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: life raft to get into because I guess I did

552
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: feel that way. I did feel like an outcast. I

553
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: did kind of believe that I was excommunicated, and that

554
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: brought me to a place of like, you know what

555
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: faith is free religion people pay for great.

556
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: Oh that's very interesting. Well were you I feel the

557
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 5: same way?

558
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: How old were you when this started to happen? When

559
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: you started to feel these things?

560
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: So at fifteen was when I started.

561
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: That's when it was fifteen, not before.

562
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 4: Well I had it before, but I just know what was.

563
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: That feeling when you were a younger child. I used

564
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: to astral projector. I used to like have a lot

565
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: of out of body experiences. I knew stuff about the family.

566
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: I vividly remember sitting in the car with my mom.

567
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: And I said, tell me the story again when you

568
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: were thirteen and you were clambing at the beach and

569
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: you cut your ankle. And she's like, yeah, that was

570
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: like blah blah blah. And she stopped and she went,

571
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: why are you asking me that? I never told you that?

572
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: How do you know that? And I went, well, clearly

573
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: you told me she was No, I didn't tell you

574
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: that she goes. I know, I didn't tell you that

575
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 4: I go with then somebody else how to say that?

576
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 4: And she's like, no, only two other people know that

577
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: she goes, and none of them would have told you.

578
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: I was like, well, then you clearly had to tell me.

579
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 4: So I had a lot of those moments. I remember

580
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 4: being fourth grade. I got in trouble. In fourth grade.

581
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: We used to have like ten vocabular words for spelling,

582
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: and then they give you the extra credit word and

583
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: the extra credit word, and she just set it up

584
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 4: that where I sat in the room, the teacher was

585
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 4: diagonal all the way to the left, and I was like,

586
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: all the way to the right, and the teacher gave

587
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: with the words, and then the extra credit word in

588
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: fourth grade was flem and every kid spelled it fl yeah,

589
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 4: and I spelled it correctly. So they asked my mom,

590
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: who was the medical professional in the family, and she said, well,

591
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: his aunt's are nurse but they don't really see each other.

592
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: Why And she said, well, he spelled something correctly that

593
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: he should not logically have been able to spell. So

594
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: they called me into the room and they said, how

595
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: did you know that? And I said, well, she wrote

596
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: it on the board. The teacher said no, I didn't,

597
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: and my mom had a you know, do not lie

598
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: to me. It was her thing. So I'm like, oh

599
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: my god, she's going to think I lied to her.

600
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: And I was like yes, you did, and the teacher said, no, John,

601
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: I did not, but I can tell you sitting here,

602
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: I remember seeing it on her board, so she logically

603
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: couldn't have gotten up from the desk, walked over and

604
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: like put it on the board and went back. I

605
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: wasn't thinking of that in fourth grade. I just remember going,

606
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: she said, flem. I looked up. There it was, and

607
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: I wrote down when I saw.

608
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 5: We opened today talking about curiosity, you know, and searching

609
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: and seeking and trying to understand everything. And I get

610
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 5: that and this, I think, and everyone really can feel

611
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 5: the The question is how did this happen? Why? Why

612
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: do some people have this gift? Can this gift be nurtured?

613
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: Number one? Is it frightening to have this gift?

614
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: What if it's not a gift? What if it's just

615
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: a muscle, What if it's just an ability?

616
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: My next question is can everyone.

617
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: Has Everybody has it? And I think people have certain

618
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: abilities that are better than others. Yes, right, yes, And

619
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 4: I think the gift is when we recognize it. The

620
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: gift is in the connection and the communication.

621
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: I really believe that everyone has the ability.

622
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: I agree, and to different degrees, they have it, right, right?

623
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: Does it diminish with age.

624
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: No, that hasn't not for me at least yet. Forty

625
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: years in and somebody said to me, not too long ago,

626
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: would you like to see Crossing Over in reruns? And

627
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: I went no, And they were like, why not?

628
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: I used to watch you all the time.

629
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I would not like to see

630
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: that in reruns. I said, I don't think it's a

631
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 4: good representation of where I am today. I was like,

632
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: back then, it was like I got the information, I

633
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: passed it on. The person said yes, And now I

634
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: feel like I'm able to go deeper and I'm able

635
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: to look at the intersection of the client, me and

636
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: the universe and try to figure out why am I

637
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: supposed to be talking to them? What am I supposed

638
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 4: to help them with? Like what's the obstacle block? Is

639
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: your lesson? And that was not something that I was

640
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: able to do on TV.

641
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: Giving yourself the honor of being a person that can

642
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: do that, you have given your time for twenty five

643
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: years with an FBI agent. Yeah, this is a really

644
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 5: interesting trans I would say transition evolution if she would

645
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 5: call it an evolved evolution, because it's also being not

646
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 5: just someone who can read the other side or bring

647
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: people in to make people feel better or learn, but

648
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 5: you really are helping in a whole other way, which

649
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: is answering questions that sometimes feel unanswerable to actually serve

650
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: the larger and the greater good.

651
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: How does that feel overwhelming when you put it like that?

652
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: To be honest, you know, in the in the theme

653
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: of my life, it's always been people trying to expose me,

654
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: and that experience was no different. I did a lot

655
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: of radio. I loved radio. Radio was live. It was

656
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: nobody knew what I looked like. I could just do

657
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: my thing. They knew what they knew. My name, you know,

658
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 4: stood for I know, and I couldn't be accused of

659
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: being edited because it's live radio. Random caller is calling

660
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: in h So that was like my first love, that

661
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: live interactivity. And I was on a New York City

662
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: radio station pretty frequently. It was called the Scott and

663
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: Todd Morning Show on w PLJ in New York, and

664
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: agent Robert Hilland used to hear it and get really

665
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: angry that they were putting me on because he thought

666
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: it was not real and that it was a bit

667
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: that they were doing, and he felt like it was

668
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: not okay. So he took it upon himself to come

669
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: to me, and he was going to expose me like

670
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: the nun the priests, right, And he came under the

671
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 4: guise of a very real case. It was a very

672
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: real case that he brought to me, but he brought

673
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: controlled items. So he set me up in our first

674
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: meeting and he laid out like nine evidence bags. But

675
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: he had previously gone to four different women in his

676
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: office and said, can you give me something of yours,

677
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: I'll bring it back tomorrow. And he came put the

678
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: evidence bags in front of me, and the way he

679
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: tells as I took before evidence bags, I had nothing

680
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: to do with the case and pushed them to the

681
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: side and said, this is nothing to do with your case.

682
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: Let's focus on this. And then I began giving him

683
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: information about the missing moment that he came to me about.

684
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: And this is where for the people that are listening,

685
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: just as a teaching moment. There's something called psychometry, and

686
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: psychometry is where you can hold on to a person's

687
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 4: object and you could read the energy of the person.

688
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: A quick example of that is if anybody shows someone

689
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: a photo of your family, of your party of a

690
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 4: vacation and you say, describe this, they can accurately describe

691
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: that photo by looking at the energy of it. Right,

692
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: It's just energy. So never give a psychic a photo

693
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: of someone who's passed or an object, because they could

694
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: read the energy of it and it sounds like they're connecting,

695
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: but they're not. So I'm not connecting with the person

696
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: who's missing. I'm connecting with the energy of the person

697
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: to try to give information. And from that experience of

698
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: working with him, I then wound up reading for him

699
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: and his family came through happened to me in my

700
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: first reading. I wound up doing to him and he

701
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: had to go to his family to find out what

702
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 4: I was saying was accurate. And then that blew his mind.

703
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: And then his very very very skeptical investigative mind and

704
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: personality said can you help me on my cases? And

705
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: I said, I don't know, but I'm intrigued. Let's try.

706
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: And you know, we were talking about this earlier. I

707
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: didn't trust him and he didn't trust me. So the

708
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: two of us were doing this kind of like thing.

709
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: He's doing his investigative thing, I'm doing my psychic thing,

710
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 4: and neither one of us was sure about the other

711
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: person's intentions, and that fostered the greatest trust and we

712
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: became like brothers over the last three decades. And there's

713
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 4: a lot of cases that I worked on with him.

714
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 4: But I say this openly. I did not work for

715
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: the FBI. This book has been vetted by the FBI.

716
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: Took over nine months to get it a proved Wow.

717
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: Yeah to OVID nine months and I solve nothing. He did.

718
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 4: So just like when a client comes to me who's

719
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: deeply grieving, I can't fix her heal there grief. I

720
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: can only do what I do in the hopes that

721
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: they take that and do the work.

722
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

723
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 4: So there's no quick fixes for anybody thinks like go

724
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 4: get a reading quick fix. Yeah, not really.

725
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: You know it's interesting, but is he detective?

726
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: He's an ex FBI right, who was a cop? Frost,

727
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: He was a cop.

728
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: That's when he contacted you.

729
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: He was a cop and then he became.

730
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: So Yeah, And the only reason why, in my in

731
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: my estimation, the only reason he contacted you is because

732
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: he was half a believer. Because there's no world where

733
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: you would say, oh, I'll bring this random dude in

734
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: because I want to prove that he's wrong. I think

735
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: in the back of his mind was like he could.

736
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: I think I believe this, and I think he can

737
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: help me.

738
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: I think he was like ninety five percent non believer

739
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: when I first met him and five percent hopeful, hopefully

740
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: just maybe because why would he bring you in no

741
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: leads on the case, Because yeah, he wouldn't go He

742
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 4: says this openly. He goes, would never go to John

743
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: on stuff where we had leads. He goes, I would

744
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: go to John when they were no leads. Yeah.

745
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. When people are so defensive and so clear against something,

746
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 5: it's almost like they wish they weren't meaning that they're

747
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 5: so curious. It's like they would protest too much.

748
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: Shakespeare and what's amazing with him is his journey in

749
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 4: the twenty five years from when I first met him

750
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 4: to who he is today. Just that story in the book,

751
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: the transformation that he goes through is kind of like

752
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: a wow. And I want people to be like reflective

753
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: of how are you chasing evil in your life and

754
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: what are you supposed to learn from kind of exploring

755
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: the dark corners? Right, there's that explanation for him and

756
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: going on that journey there's a lot of loss. And yeah,

757
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 4: you know, the amount of people that are out there

758
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: doing this kind of work, meaning not the psychic work,

759
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: but like the protection of people work, the fighting for

760
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: victims and their rights and their memories. They don't have

761
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: names and faces, but they're out there doing it. Yeah,

762
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: and I kind of feel like this is a great

763
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: validation of those people. Yeah. I kind of feel honored

764
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: to have been like like watching from the sidelines this process. Yeah.

765
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: I want to get into the book, but first I

766
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: want to there's a few other questions I have just

767
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: about You mentioned something a while back with these entities.

768
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Is that what you call them energies, energies that essentially

769
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: are we born pure love? Meaning is every energy that

770
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: exists pure love?

771
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: I'm going to say yes.

772
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: So does that mean there is no dark energy?

773
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 5: No?

774
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: I think that the darkness lies in the heart of man.

775
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: You know, Like, do I believe in positive and negative?

776
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: I do.

777
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 4: Do. I believe that there's evil. I do, But I'm

778
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: less concerned about the evil and spirit because I haven't

779
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: encountered that. I'm more concerned about the evil and the

780
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: human experience because that does some serious damage. So, like

781
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: I was on TikTok live and I was doing, like,

782
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: you know, some live stuff promoting this book, and you know,

783
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 4: people were coming up saying, oh, dark forces, native energies,

784
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: you know, demons and all that kind of stuff, And

785
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, have you turned on the news, Like have

786
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: you looked at what's actually happening? I go, if you

787
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: want to see evil, like, you could see that very

788
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: very clearly, But folks like to kind of suppress that

789
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: and then point fingers at other things. And I think

790
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: that there is positive negative in the universe, and we

791
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 4: have to choose where we want to align our energies.

792
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: But what about let's just say, from my hypothetical, Jeffrey

793
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: Dahmer dies, Hitler dies, what happens to their energy?

794
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: I can only tell you based on theory, because I

795
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: haven't connected with them, of course, based upon lighter versions

796
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: of that. Yeah, like dark energies that have done negative things, Yeah,

797
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: those energies are not that any longer, but they have

798
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: to carry the weight of what it was that they did.

799
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: So we don't escape anything, right, And I believe that

800
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: the the judicial system of our world pales in comparison

801
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: to the universal judicial system because we can't escape anything universal,

802
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: it's always got to be balanced, like the universe is

803
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 4: always going to balance out the equation. So if people

804
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: do negative things, they have to sit in an understanding

805
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 4: of what that was and what was the ripple effect.

806
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: When you do readings and you have family members come

807
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: in who may have been an abusive father, abusive grandfather

808
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: in a stage, it happened all the time, happens, So

809
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: how do you how do you deal with that when

810
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 2: you are giving a reading? And do they come in

811
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: with that same vitrawl, that same dark and it's the

812
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: same anger. They don't.

813
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: They don't. They come through with and they come through

814
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: with an understanding of who they were and what they did.

815
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: It's a very it's a very interesting session when that happens,

816
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: because the person who's sitting in front of me is

817
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: now forced to confront the reality of the experience and

818
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: then has to recognize hopefully that on a timeline, when

819
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: you look from the moment of that person's passing back,

820
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: nothing changes, right, that's history that happened, it's the past.

821
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: It's you can't change that. It's a catalyst that makes

822
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: you who you are. But now it's the choice of

823
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: that person's gone they're not here. They can't hurt you anymore.

824
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: They can't do that thing to you. They want you

825
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 4: to release that, not for them, but for the person

826
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: who's here. So and that is usually something where the

827
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 4: person has to work with their counsel or therapist Like

828
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 4: that is not.

829
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: Me, right, but I would imagine there are some cath

830
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: in that huge.

831
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 4: You know, huge, right, if they're willing to go there,

832
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: people shut it down.

833
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: Oh really, don't hard?

834
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: You know it is?

835
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 5: It is hard. I think unfortunately, knowledge and more knowledge

836
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: of the sickness around the person that is inflicting pain

837
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: is is an avenue toward forgiveness. I think forgiveness is

838
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 5: the great aspect of love and also the great ability

839
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 5: to be happy. So in doing so, when you do

840
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 5: confront like I did have a moment with a girlfriend

841
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 5: who's passed, and uh, she said some funny things that

842
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 5: were communicated to me. One was we laughed about her

843
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 5: socks and she was alive, and she made jokes about

844
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 5: her socks in the reading. But she also said, I

845
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: wish I'd have been nicer to my husband. It's an

846
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: example what you're saying that it was an awareness of somehow,

847
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 5: but you know, interesting, pure love, pure where that soup

848
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: is that incredible area of creation that where nothing is

849
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 5: formed but everything comes from, where it's basically matter comes

850
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 5: from and everything, and in that soup, I feel like

851
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: it's just this is just me, but I feel that

852
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 5: it's pure love. And when I say love, it's not

853
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: the word, it's the feeling.

854
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 4: Well, when you look at people who like have had

855
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: in your death experiences, right, there's a collective word that

856
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 4: I've noticed they all use. And the collective word that

857
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: they use is what they felt when they were there,

858
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: and it's usually the word bliss. We talk a about

859
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: the word bliss. Nobody ever says like, hey, how are

860
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: you doing today? I'm blissful.

861
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: It's just a.

862
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: It's not an earthword, right, So I've recognized that there

863
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: were earthwords and then there were other side words after

864
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 4: life words. So are they happy, No, they're blissful. You

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Speaker 4: know we're looking for measuring happiness here. Or do they

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Speaker 4: have remorse or regret? No, that's an earthword. They have understanding,

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Speaker 4: which is bigger and deeper, at a level that sometimes

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Speaker 4: I feel like we can't comprehend. And the same thing,

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Speaker 4: like we have love in the way that we experience love,

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Speaker 4: and then there's love that it feels like when they're

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Speaker 4: coming through, which is what you're describing in that soup.

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Speaker 4: It's like this bright source of connection and and and energy.

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Speaker 2: John, This is it's too good.

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Speaker 4: It's too good.

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Speaker 2: So there's there's so much more to talk with you about, okay,

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Speaker 2: including your new book, which is Chasing Evil, Shot Crime,

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Speaker 2: Supernatural Forces, and an FBI agent Search for Hope Injustice.

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Speaker 2: There's so much to get into that we're going to

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Speaker 2: do another. We're going to do part two because you

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Speaker 2: are that compelling, So we're going to get we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get to it all in part two