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Speaker 1: freaking time for it to be this week after an
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Speaker 2: You I'm good man.
Speaker 3: This was an exciting weekend, you know, driving back for
Speaker 3: my grandparents yesterday, just getting that notification, and it was
Speaker 3: kind of similar to the Luka Doncic's trade a few
Speaker 3: months ago, where you're just like, this isn't real. There's
Speaker 3: got to be some kind of hack going on or
Speaker 3: something like that. I just feel bad for folks out
Speaker 3: in Boston who may have bought their dad at Raphael
Speaker 3: Devers Red Sox jersey for Father's Day. But two weeks
Speaker 3: in a row, we got some big Red Sox news
Speaker 3: to break down, so it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: There's this video, it's probably my favorite, and it's this daughter.
Speaker 1: They're all sitting it's like the whole family. They're sitting
Speaker 1: on a deck and she's like, she's like, they just
Speaker 1: trade Red Sox, just trade to Rafael Devers. But the
Speaker 1: titling of it is that my dad thinks this is
Speaker 1: a TikTok trend. So she says it and the dad
Speaker 1: kind of laughs it off. And then there's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a brother or whatever sitting in
Speaker 1: the corner and they're like whatever, whatever, And then these
Speaker 1: two it's daughter and another younger brother. They're sitting with
Speaker 1: their phones. They're like, nobody believes us. And then finally,
Speaker 1: after you know, ten or fifteen seconds, they all look
Speaker 1: at their phones and then the depression sits in. I
Speaker 1: can only imagine what it must be like to not
Speaker 1: only trade away like a face or like the theoretical
Speaker 1: face of your organization, but like an incredible hitter like
Speaker 1: that and get nothing. I mean, because that is what like,
Speaker 1: we can chalk it up somebody, you know, and I
Speaker 1: did our pre show stuff and we'll talk about it,
Speaker 1: but I think it was game over, said rather talk
Speaker 1: about Tibbs today. Yeah, I imagine you kind of want
Speaker 1: to know what you got, but we can. We can
Speaker 1: dress some of this stuff up if you'd like. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they decided to get
Speaker 1: rid of their dudes. They decided to get rid of
Speaker 1: Raphaeldt Evers because he was a problem, and they did
Speaker 1: it because they had somebody eat all of the money
Speaker 1: that there's a math equation that went on, Joe. It's like,
Speaker 1: how much of a problem are we willing to deal
Speaker 1: with while dealing with this money? It's money versus problem,
Speaker 1: And they were in an unfortunate situation where they were
Speaker 1: owed all the money and they had all the problems. Well,
Speaker 1: then they got to a spot where someone was willing
Speaker 1: to take on all the money, and then they had
Speaker 1: to determine talent versus this, and far surpassed giving up all.
Speaker 1: Freeing up that money and getting rid of the financial
Speaker 1: burden was well worth getting rid of the talent that
Speaker 1: was Raphael Devers. And they just didn't get back what
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have got back, and multiple there's some rumors
Speaker 1: that other teams were floating out there. It just looks
Speaker 1: like a bad trade that I think, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day won't be fully answered until they can
Speaker 1: spend some of this money by resending Bragman and maybe
Speaker 1: getting somebody else. But there's just no other way to
Speaker 1: cope this that it looks pretty trashy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to wrap my head around it
Speaker 3: and try and think of a way where it may
Speaker 3: sense for Boston to do this.
Speaker 2: And the only way that it.
Speaker 3: Makes sense is if it just became so untenable within
Speaker 3: the clubhouse that they just had to get him out
Speaker 3: of there, that it had become like a cancer situation.
Speaker 3: But moving him right now when you just got through
Speaker 3: a weekend sweep is bizarre. You just took out your
Speaker 3: probably your biggest rival. You've won eight of the last
Speaker 3: ten games, you're kind of making a little bit of
Speaker 3: noise your half game out of the wild card spot.
Speaker 2: To do this now doesn't make.
Speaker 3: A lot of sense unless there was just truly no
Speaker 3: coming back from this. But if you're going to make
Speaker 3: this trade, why not do it in the offseason and
Speaker 3: still kind of you know, see this year out.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand the timing of it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a very very very easy answer
Speaker 1: to that, and it is that you I think the
Speaker 1: timeline of what they felt that they could how much
Speaker 1: let me say this better, They most likely felt that A,
Speaker 1: what you said, the bridge is so burned, but b
Speaker 1: this might be one of their only chances to get
Speaker 1: out out of all of the money. Because there's there's
Speaker 1: two different There was a rumor out there that the
Speaker 1: Braves had had a conversation with them, but there was
Speaker 1: money involved that Boston had to send back, and then
Speaker 1: the Braves kind of didn't want to do the trade
Speaker 1: either way. And then Jeff Ponce on Foul Territory Today
Speaker 1: had said that he heard that there was a trade,
Speaker 1: didn't know who and all the exacts, but that trade
Speaker 1: also involved them sending money back. So I think everything
Speaker 1: the Red Sox were presented with was they're going to
Speaker 1: have to eat some of this two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: million whatever was left with it. But then they were presented,
Speaker 1: at the peak of all the problems, a team that
Speaker 1: was willing to take on every dollar of the financials,
Speaker 1: and I think that's it, Like it's really simple, like
Speaker 1: in a business term that makes sense. Does makes I
Speaker 1: guess it makes some sense. But for us we look
Speaker 1: at it and we're like, the hell's going on here?
Speaker 1: Like this is horrible. You didn't get any you got
Speaker 1: something in return, and we're being over dramatic about it.
Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison can be a part of this rotation at
Speaker 1: the end of this year. James Tibbs is a solid bat.
Speaker 1: I mean that average really stinks. He's got some big power.
Speaker 1: He could be like a fourth or third outfield type,
Speaker 1: but that's not what you get for superstars. So it
Speaker 1: was only about money, and that's why you didn't wait
Speaker 1: on it, because the more you wait, the more that
Speaker 1: a problem could arise. If becomes more and more of
Speaker 1: a problem, leverage maybe goes away, and you can't get
Speaker 1: rid of all that money. So I think that the
Speaker 1: only reason is because the giants said we'll take on
Speaker 1: all the money, and it's as simple as that.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't feel like a good enough reason, because
Speaker 3: you know, the money thing has been talked about a
Speaker 3: lot and how they got out from under this bad contract,
Speaker 3: and I don't really agree that it's such a bad contract.
Speaker 3: It's thirty one million dollars annual value until twenty thirty four.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bad contract. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: bad personality of a player. The contract was never like
Speaker 1: a discussion. It's, oh, this guy, he is not a
Speaker 1: team player, he doesn't want to be here, he doesn't
Speaker 1: listen to anybody. He's disrespecting the owner, at least according
Speaker 1: to the stuff allegedly, and there's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: money attached to him. If he was a good team
Speaker 1: player who cares about the money. But he wasn't, and
Speaker 1: that's the problem. So it was like, we have a
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't want to be here, we don't want
Speaker 1: him here now, and he's owed a truckload of money.
Speaker 1: And they were able to offload that. So I think
Speaker 1: that if I made it seem like it was they
Speaker 1: thought they had this bad contract. No is that they
Speaker 1: had a bad contract tied to a player that clearly
Speaker 1: was not going to help them win in the future.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 3: I just find a hard time saying that Raphael Devers
Speaker 3: can't help them win.
Speaker 2: Already win on the field.
Speaker 1: I'm saying he can win. His bat can win. But
Speaker 1: he didn't. He wasn't willing to do what the team needed.
Speaker 1: They needed him to play first base. He said no,
Speaker 1: he defied that.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean by that, And I've said that myself,
Speaker 3: Like I think that he should have just picked up
Speaker 3: a glove and played the field when they asked him to.
Speaker 3: You're making all this money, you need to be malleable.
Speaker 3: You need to do things that will help the team win.
Speaker 3: But he is such an elite hitter, Like this season
Speaker 3: has been statistically the best year of his career. He's
Speaker 3: walking got a crazy rate, the barrel rates and hard
Speaker 3: hit rates are career highs WRC plus is the best
Speaker 3: it's ever been for him. I just think that the
Speaker 3: timing of it is really stupid for the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: Like I don't I guess, yeah, it's an untenable situation. Whatever,
Speaker 3: Sure you need to do better on the trade, then
Speaker 3: if you have, if you're dead set that you are
Speaker 3: going to move him whatever. I don't care about the money.
Speaker 3: The Red Sox were the most profitable team in Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball in twenty twenty four, according to Forbes. There
Speaker 3: is no reason that they needed to make this trade
Speaker 3: for the money side of things and make sure that Okay,
Speaker 3: San Francisco's gonna take every penny whatever, but we need
Speaker 3: to get Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks. Like, it's just
Speaker 3: a bad trade. I'm sorry, it's just a bad trade.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna get it, if you're gonna trade him,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna be dead set on doing that, fine,
Speaker 3: then shop.
Speaker 2: Him around and get a better offer.
Speaker 3: Because this, if this was the best they could do,
Speaker 3: I would have said, you know what, RAFFI can be
Speaker 3: unhappy for a few more weeks until we try and
Speaker 3: figure out something better. Well, I feel like they could
Speaker 3: have probably done better.
Speaker 1: The rumors had been going on for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing, Like we again, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, all of whatever, we're going to
Speaker 1: say like it is just a bad trade, Like that's
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of it. It's just not a
Speaker 1: good trade, but the inner workings of it where you're
Speaker 1: trying to pick apart, like the rumor was, they had
Speaker 1: actually been talking for a couple of weeks. They had
Speaker 1: been talking Buster Posey and the Giants had been talking
Speaker 1: with them for a couple of weeks. They talked to
Speaker 1: the Braves that had been talking to it.
Speaker 2: Jops. It wasn't like shopped around from what I heard
Speaker 2: that this was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't make a call to all thirty teams
Speaker 1: and say who wants Ralphael Devers. They talked to the
Speaker 1: teams that you know, had probably the most interesting team
Speaker 1: and they say three or four and every single team
Speaker 1: outside of the Giants that expressed that money needs to
Speaker 1: be taken. I get what you're saying. I'm not really
Speaker 1: not trying to refute it or anything like that. It's
Speaker 1: just like this became like a super business baseball move
Speaker 1: and it kind of stinks and it sucks. Now let
Speaker 1: me turn it because this is what I really wanted
Speaker 1: to This was actually the number one on the three
Speaker 1: topics we like to talk about here when we do
Speaker 1: cleaning up while talking to everybody was I wanted to
Speaker 1: get your take on Dever's fantasy value now, because I
Speaker 1: do think it's something interesting to talk about. There's a
Speaker 1: couple elements to it. William Thomas, you know famously now
Speaker 1: you know, great season, blah blah blah. We most of
Speaker 1: us kind of thought like, well, you know, the ballpark
Speaker 1: with the Giants might kind of mitigate some of the
Speaker 1: fantasy value. Boy has it. He's really come back down.
Speaker 1: Devers is leaving what according to Baseball Savant's ballpark Factors
Speaker 1: over a three year window for left handed hitters, number
Speaker 1: two ballpark in all of baseball, overall ballpark factor, home
Speaker 1: run ballpark factor was like pretty low, it was like
Speaker 1: in the twenties. But overall ballpark factor for left handed
Speaker 1: hitters over a three year window, Boston's number two, the
Speaker 1: Giants third worst in baseball, third worst overall ballpark factor
Speaker 1: and like the second worst home run ballpark factor for
Speaker 1: left handed hitters and all of baseball three year window.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give you one little side caveat which
Speaker 1: is a really interesting one, Devers. If you look at
Speaker 1: the expect did home run totals says he should have
Speaker 1: two more on Baseball Savigne, but if he played all
Speaker 1: of his games with Boston, he would be two less.
Speaker 1: He would have two more in the expected home run
Speaker 1: with San Francisco. There's another weird oddity, weird crappy ballpark
Speaker 1: factor for homers and everything. Yet he has projected two
Speaker 1: more homers with the Giants and would be projected too
Speaker 1: less than he has with the Red Sox had you
Speaker 1: played the full season across. So I'm kind of pushing
Speaker 1: against that ballpark factor. So I'm rambling on here, kind
Speaker 1: of setting up the positive and negatives. What do you
Speaker 1: think Rafield divers fantasy value becomes as a San Francisco Giant.
Speaker 3: I think that he is elite enough as a header
Speaker 3: that it won't impact him too much, But it's probably
Speaker 3: a slight down tick if anything.
Speaker 2: You know, the.
Speaker 3: Ballpark is worse, and also the lineup around him is worse.
Speaker 3: Boston for the season as a whole, is the tenth
Speaker 3: best lineup in baseball. Dever's probably doing some of the
Speaker 3: heavy lifting there with a one zero six WRC plus
Speaker 3: San Francisco is twentieth with a ninety six, So that
Speaker 3: is kind of a drastic change as well as the
Speaker 3: ballpark factor, so it's it's probably going to hurt him
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I think the Devers is a
Speaker 3: lead enough where it's not a situation where he is now,
Speaker 3: you know, somebody you have to be selling off or
Speaker 3: anything like that. I think he's still going to be fine.
Speaker 3: Like the rest of season projections, fifteen to seventeen more homers,
Speaker 3: probably fifty more runs, fifty more ribbies, the batting average
Speaker 3: will remain probably about the same. This is not a
Speaker 3: situation where I think it changes greatly. Maybe a slight downtick,
Speaker 3: but nothing, nothing drastic.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a little bit. I think it's
Speaker 1: like a I'd put a percentage, like a five percent,
Speaker 1: five to ten percent reduction overall. But you know, like
Speaker 1: the home run factors are really interesting with you know,
Speaker 1: with San Francisco as well, that maybe there's still some
Speaker 1: homers and maybe they're manufacturing some runs. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's five to ten percent maximum, So I'm not
Speaker 1: really looking too far into it, but I think it's
Speaker 1: something to pay attention to. And the final, you know,
Speaker 1: the final tip of the cap here is that Buster
Speaker 1: Posey said that Devers might be playing some third base
Speaker 1: or first base, and that's the biggest like middle finger
Speaker 1: that Devers continued to give with Boston is just like
Speaker 1: he was just so upset about whatever, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you didn't talk to me, or you make me move
Speaker 1: a position, like who cares?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Three hundred million dollar man do whatever. He'll now do
Speaker 1: it with San Francisco And that's a little bit of
Speaker 1: the slap of the face. But then he might regain
Speaker 1: some of that position eligibility for next year by doing so.
Speaker 1: So that's I guess, yeah, a pseudo positive.
Speaker 3: I don't think Chapman's supposed to be out for too
Speaker 3: too long.
Speaker 1: No, it's a sprained it's a.
Speaker 3: Sprained hand, so he's not usurping Matt Chapman. But maybe
Speaker 3: he does end up playing regular first base. Reps that
Speaker 3: that's a possibility. But I think it would be very
Speaker 3: funny to see him just first game in San Francisco
Speaker 3: pick up a glove.
Speaker 2: And play the field.
Speaker 3: And they're actually playing the Red Sox this weekend, so
Speaker 3: that's gonna be kind of fun. And I think some
Speaker 3: home run bets should probably be put on Devers this weekend.
Speaker 1: Hunt of percent he's gonna play third base. And by
Speaker 1: the way, they didn't say he's gonna supplant him. They
Speaker 1: just said wild Chapmans, he might pick up a third
Speaker 1: base club first base would make a ton of sense.
Speaker 1: They can dh and you know whatever. But it's the
Speaker 1: willingness to now do it is what's really just It's
Speaker 1: just kind of gross across the board. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think he changed positional fantasy value. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be looking to sell him off or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But just know, you know, there definitely was a reduction
Speaker 1: in fantasy production out of Willia Damas. If he can
Speaker 1: pick it back up, maybe Devers will provide him some
Speaker 1: I don't know, some lineup protection or help him work
Speaker 1: with the swing. I really don't know. But Rafaeld Evers
Speaker 1: in San Francisco is such a ridiculously crazy wild move
Speaker 1: that we did not expect for this Father's Day weekend whatsoever? Whatsoever?
Speaker 3: Do you think he gets remembered as a Red Sox
Speaker 3: or as a Giant and all of a sudden done giant?
Speaker 1: I think the I think this is like a burn
Speaker 1: the Bridge type of situation. There's a possibility if he
Speaker 1: just becomes so good and the Red Sox continue to
Speaker 1: just make bad moves that the fan base kind of
Speaker 1: turns on ownership and they look back fondly. But I
Speaker 1: just think with how he I think the approach here.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong by the way I won a championship,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that, but like the burning of the
Speaker 1: not being like he dug his own grave because he
Speaker 1: was unwilling to be a team player is what got
Speaker 1: him traded, you know. I mean we're all speculating too,
Speaker 1: by the way, but for all intentsive purposes, it seems
Speaker 1: like with how dismissive he was with the management in
Speaker 1: front of him, managers, and then being dismissive with ownership,
Speaker 1: not willing to listen, not willing to go and play,
Speaker 1: not willing to make the team better when you're just
Speaker 1: desperately trying, when you're struggling. You lost a player unwillingness
Speaker 1: across the board, and there was stuff out there that
Speaker 1: he was unwilling to And again these are just rumors,
Speaker 1: but he was unwilling to be a part of team events,
Speaker 1: sponsorship type of stuff. Like all of that, he just
Speaker 1: dug his own grave, and he is the reason that
Speaker 1: he's traded. I don't think that's an argument here, Like
Speaker 1: he is the reason he is traded. Obviously, say like, well,
Speaker 1: you know whatever John Henry got in his fields and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's raw field. Devers is the reason that he's traded.
Speaker 1: So if there's a possibility, it could be a giant
Speaker 1: because he's still got a long career ahead of him.
Speaker 1: But you know, he did win a championship, so Red
Speaker 1: Sox will always.
Speaker 3: Love waiting for that. But it does remind me of
Speaker 3: a little bit as a Toronto guy. Not to make
Speaker 3: another basketball reference, but Vince Carter leaving Toronto and he
Speaker 3: was kind of vilified in Toronto for a long time.
Speaker 3: The city eventually kind of forgave him, and that might
Speaker 3: be what happens with Devers. Maybe it takes a little
Speaker 3: bit of time and eventually they'll they'll come around and
Speaker 3: remember everything he did for the team because he was
Speaker 3: he's one of the best players in franchise history, even
Speaker 3: though he only played until he was twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Here, yeah, well, we'll see how I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: really good question, but it's too early to tell to
Speaker 1: see what he does with the Giants, and you know,
Speaker 1: if he decides to keep talking to keep saying some
Speaker 1: more stuff and bash the Red Sox, we'll see how
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Speaker 1: has in the queue here take out. So sorry to
Speaker 1: bug about this question again, but haven't found a trade
Speaker 1: partner for one of my three shortstops. Ellie Abrams netto
Speaker 1: shortstop is so deep, and wanted to know who to
Speaker 1: target with one of those three players for outfield or
Speaker 1: pitching help. So this one had come to us before,
Speaker 1: and I think it was about like, if I remember
Speaker 1: correctly that I feel like the question was like, should
Speaker 1: I trade Ellie and Dota?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 1: I still not trading Ellie? After four straight home run games,
Speaker 1: He's sixteen to twenty homers, of stolen bases, batting averages
Speaker 1: up over two seventy three. I think I had originally
Speaker 1: brought up that interesting Ellie versus Corbyn, Carol One, and
Speaker 1: Y know what Ellie looks is way more valuable right now,
Speaker 1: points higher batting average, only four less homers, but ten
Speaker 1: more stolen bases. Ellie's going off. So if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one of these guys, understanding the relative like
Speaker 1: outfield that you're going to get back, are you trading
Speaker 1: the super high of Ellie? Are you trading the medium
Speaker 1: of Abrams or the little bit lower of Neto?
Speaker 3: I kind of think that Neto has surpassed Abrams at
Speaker 3: this point. I just think that he's probably a little
Speaker 3: bit of a higher floor. The lineup is bad, but
Speaker 3: it's kind of bad for both. But I would probably
Speaker 3: try and sell off of Abrams first of the three.
Speaker 3: Ellie is far and away the number one shortstop this year,
Speaker 3: and I think he'll probably.
Speaker 2: Continue at that pace.
Speaker 3: Neto, I mean, Neto is looking like he'll probably finish
Speaker 3: as a top eight or ten guy, and I think
Speaker 3: Abrams is probably just a little bit farther behind there.
Speaker 3: But he was also the guy who was drafted as
Speaker 3: a top fifty player and to this point of the
Speaker 3: season just looking at like a twelve team player raider,
Speaker 3: he is a thirteen dollars player. So trying to find
Speaker 3: a pairing in the outfield would leave you somewhere in
Speaker 3: like the Jung Hu Lee, Brandon Nemo, Jared Duran type
Speaker 3: of range in terms of season to date value. So
Speaker 3: if you were able to trade C. J. Abrams for
Speaker 3: Jared Duran Welsh, would you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's a good for trade for trade,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you can get that done. I think
Speaker 1: you probably have to live a like can you give
Speaker 1: me a Are you looking at the dollar raider right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are there any other like maybe higher dollar lower named
Speaker 1: players or lower dollar higher name guys like just go
Speaker 1: a little bit like go to like fifteen and go
Speaker 1: to ten.
Speaker 3: So there's Elliott Ramos who is a little bit higher
Speaker 3: than that range, but that could potentially work. Elliott Ramos
Speaker 3: for CJ.
Speaker 2: Abrams. I could see somebody.
Speaker 1: I actually don't hate that Dever's more lineup protection in there.
Speaker 1: Helio has been doing some business. I don't hate that.
Speaker 3: Hunter Goodman, but he's kind of catcher outfield, so it's
Speaker 3: a little bit tricky with him.
Speaker 2: TJ.
Speaker 3: Friedel has been low he fantastic this season. You probably
Speaker 3: would want to aim for higher with Abrams, so you
Speaker 3: maybe want to get a second piece back. But Friedel
Speaker 3: has been terrific so far.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now give me a couple of those, like like
Speaker 1: a little bit lower dollar, bigger name players that maybe
Speaker 1: are underperforming, like in the nine to ten range.
Speaker 3: So we have Luis Robert don't have the interest there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think a trade is looming.
Speaker 3: Michael Harris the second probably you could do a little
Speaker 3: bit better than that, I would imagine.
Speaker 1: I think a Harris for I think a Harris for
Speaker 1: Abrams is relatively okay.
Speaker 3: I'd probably Abras, but yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty close.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ian Happ Ian Happ is still somebody I like a lot.
Speaker 3: Those are generally kind of the names Loutis, Guriel Junior
Speaker 3: as well as in that same range.
Speaker 1: I think we can kill it there. I think I
Speaker 1: think those are some good not Lortis, but like Halp
Speaker 1: Michael Harris in that Abrams range, or if you want
Speaker 1: to have more like I'm performing now, you can go
Speaker 1: in like the HELLI O Ramos, TJ. Friedel. I think
Speaker 1: that's the general space that you could look at for
Speaker 1: like an Abrams or even a netto probably pushed towards Abrams.
Speaker 1: But don't move Ellie is the key. That's where we're
Speaker 1: going at our boy, GAMEOVA. It wants to come up,
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Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Hey, you guys doing We're doing good, dude, what do
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Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 4: Oh man? I know, well, if you're the prospect guy,
Speaker 4: and I know you probably watched Gage Wood, so that
Speaker 4: no hit or nineteen strikeouts, Yeah, people don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is for next year. But Gage would just
Speaker 1: through the third College World Series no hitter today, striking
Speaker 1: out nineteen and he hit a batter which could have
Speaker 1: made it a perfect game. It's the first College World
Speaker 1: Series no hitter I believe since nineteen sixty. Was absolute
Speaker 1: gas and he was already in the realm of a
Speaker 1: projected first round pick an absolutely insane performance of are
Speaker 1: just going crazy? Gauge would with the a's and then
Speaker 1: our eight gauge jump, and then Gauge would today with
Speaker 1: an insane performance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that was my day. I was like, he's
Speaker 4: probably be a top fifteen pick. But back to you know,
Speaker 4: major leagues. I have a Christian Moore, an Auto Camp,
Speaker 4: and I got Ozzie Alvi's. I'm looking to ship up
Speaker 4: ship off Ozzy. What is like his value? Because I
Speaker 4: like Christian Moore and I like Auto Kimp.
Speaker 1: Is there a positional like need anywhere.
Speaker 4: I need safe holds and stolen bases? It's like a
Speaker 4: roto ten team?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Cool? All right?
Speaker 1: So if we're targeting saves and holds and we're trading
Speaker 1: Ozzie Alb's, is there anybody that jumps to mind in
Speaker 1: either category that you're potentially looking at. Ozzy is just
Speaker 1: underperformed all year. Let me pull up his stats. We'll
Speaker 1: give you a chance to take a peek there, Joey,
Speaker 1: but Ozzy two twenty two six homers, two stolen bases,
Speaker 1: and ultimately it really hurts the trade value. His name
Speaker 1: will still hold some of it.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 1: But you know, in the closer market, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be tough, and I think in the stolen
Speaker 1: base market, you're probably going to have to really just
Speaker 1: buy low, specifically on like a player's name that doesn't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Like I would tell you Chandler Simpson would
Speaker 1: have been a prime player I would look at if
Speaker 1: he was up in the majors right now, that'd be phenomenal.
Speaker 1: But does anybody jump out to you on the saves
Speaker 1: or the stolen bases if you're moving off of Albi's.
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing with trading Albi's right now is
Speaker 3: it might be the lowest value that he's had in
Speaker 3: his entire career arguably. So I would prefer to not
Speaker 3: do this. But if you are dead set on doing it,
Speaker 3: maybe you could try for like maybe a Pete Fairbanks
Speaker 3: or I don't know, Melo Doval. Potentially, it's not that's
Speaker 3: the thing with Albey's. The value is probably so low
Speaker 3: that you might get laughed out of these negotiations asking
Speaker 3: for some of these guys.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Could try for Jeff Hoffman because that era is up there,
Speaker 3: but he's still probably pretty secure in Toronto. That's that's
Speaker 3: Those are kind of the names that I would look
Speaker 3: at for for relievers, but it's it will be really
Speaker 3: really tricky in terms of stolen bases.
Speaker 2: Mentioned TJ.
Speaker 3: Friedel earlier, and he's a good stolen based guy.
Speaker 1: To my mind. When that popped up, I was like,
Speaker 1: that might be a guy that you could maybe get
Speaker 1: that done with.
Speaker 3: It could be for sure, Luis Robert. If you're trying
Speaker 3: to just do my bad asset for your bad asset,
Speaker 3: maybe that does work out as well. Could go for
Speaker 3: a Victor Scott and then maybe you get a second
Speaker 3: piece back in there.
Speaker 1: How about this this situe, what if you went and
Speaker 1: got like a really cheap saves guy with a Caballero.
Speaker 1: Caballero is tied for the lead and stolen bases on
Speaker 1: the league his name value. I mean to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, they might bock it all be's in general,
Speaker 1: but like getting like a I know Will Vess is
Speaker 1: banged up, but just follow me like a Will Vest
Speaker 1: and a Hosa Cabiro for Ozzi Alby's. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what like fantasy trades are built around like that mold.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You out on cabro.
Speaker 3: No, no, I like Jose Cabiro, but I think that's
Speaker 3: probably fair value. But looking at that, and even just
Speaker 3: looking at where we would have been a couple months
Speaker 3: ago with Albi's, I feel like the smarter move is
Speaker 3: it just hope that he turns things around and maybe
Speaker 3: next year you can sell him for a much higher price.
Speaker 3: This is a guy who has a couple of seasons
Speaker 3: already with thirty homers, hundred runs, hundred ribbies. You know,
Speaker 3: he's in a lineup that I think will probably eventually
Speaker 3: be a lot better. So I think that's a good
Speaker 3: pairing Caballero in vest. But my preference here would be
Speaker 3: to just hold tight.
Speaker 1: I think I know what you're getting at. Another guy
Speaker 1: would throw out maybe Exavier Edwards if you're looking for
Speaker 1: stolen bases, but there's some empty stats, and but that's
Speaker 1: what you're going to have to do. That's kind of
Speaker 1: maybe the main point here is you're going to have
Speaker 1: to go a little bit lower in the market if
Speaker 1: you want to sell off Ozzi Albi's. Unfortunately, that's kind
Speaker 1: of the toughness here. All right, Let's burn through a
Speaker 1: couple more of these questions that are in here, so
Speaker 1: we had the gauge would thoughts on this trade twelve
Speaker 1: team head to head roto Dynasty League. He gets Corbyn
Speaker 1: Burns and Lance McCullers gave up Devin Williams and Camille Devall.
Speaker 1: I hesitated because I was like, could this be Chase Burns.
Speaker 1: I'm not competing this year, so I'm thinking for next
Speaker 1: year and on. So I mean, yeah, you're definitely two
Speaker 1: years on. So essentially two of these closers for Corbyn
Speaker 1: Burns and Lance McCullers, you're betting two years from now.
Speaker 1: This is a tough tra This is not a trade
Speaker 1: I would probably do. Corbyn Burns is going to be
Speaker 1: like thirty two or thirty three when he's finally healthy again.
Speaker 1: Lance mcculler's is back on the il. Devin Williams he's
Speaker 1: been shaky, but he has the potential to get back
Speaker 1: into being like a top three closer in baseball, and
Speaker 1: Deval's pretty good. I gotta be honest with you, so Kyle,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I would have done that,
Speaker 1: for That's not what I would do. When I'm trading
Speaker 1: Devin Williams in Deval is trying to buy on Corbyn Burns,
Speaker 1: who's going to be out till twenty twenty seven, So
Speaker 1: I would have probably went a different But what say you, I'm.
Speaker 2: In the same boat there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean mccullars is already kind of snuck up
Speaker 3: on us because he's missed a couple of seasons, but
Speaker 3: he's going to be thirty two later on this time.
Speaker 1: I do like mc colors. I do like mccollers, but
Speaker 1: still I like them.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like them. Okay.
Speaker 3: The command has really not been there in his return,
Speaker 3: and we've seen the whip be crazy high because of it.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's able to eventually figure things out. And I
Speaker 3: mean trading relievers. I don't have a huge problem with it,
Speaker 3: just because they are pretty volatile assets to begin with.
Speaker 2: But I personally agree with Walsh.
Speaker 3: I would have wanted to do a little bit better
Speaker 3: than Burns and mccollors.
Speaker 1: All right, Dexter feeling very weak at shortstop with the
Speaker 1: damis could the devonstrate potentially boost him? Waiver Wire consists
Speaker 1: of the likes of Trevor's story right out, Willy or
Speaker 1: do you have any trade targets at shortstop? Shortstop is deep?
Speaker 1: I would say my initial reaction is to wait out
Speaker 1: Willy here definitely, like, let's get like a week and
Speaker 1: see what Devers does to the lineup, if anything, maybe
Speaker 1: if it changes approaches, it changes momentum. I would love
Speaker 1: for Adamis to pick back up, but he has struggled,
Speaker 1: you know, someone like Prodomo Perdomo's getting chance is hitting
Speaker 1: three's people still don't love him. Like that would be
Speaker 1: someone I would target in type of a trade, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to target Trevor story. Prodomo came to mind,
Speaker 1: but ultimately I think I want to kind of see
Speaker 1: if a Damas gets picked up by the Dever's acquisition.
Speaker 1: What do you think is there a shortstop you would
Speaker 1: rather pick up then wait out a Damas?
Speaker 3: I mean you listening Trevor's story there makes me think
Speaker 3: that he is the best option on the wire. And
Speaker 3: if that's the case, then yeah, you're just holding strong
Speaker 3: with a Damas for now. There are, like you said,
Speaker 3: so many shortstops, and there are guys who are pretty valuable,
Speaker 3: even just like thinking my own neck of the woods,
Speaker 3: Ernie Clement in Toronto has been really valuable but doesn't
Speaker 3: really give you a ton of juice in terms of
Speaker 3: the counting stats. It's more just like a decent batting
Speaker 3: average you're getting out of him. You know, we mentioned
Speaker 3: Xavier Edwards earlier. He's probably somebody you can get for
Speaker 3: not too expensive right now.
Speaker 2: I mean his earned dollar value.
Speaker 3: To the season is in negatives at the moment, so
Speaker 3: maybe somebody is willing to move off of him good
Speaker 3: batting average. The speed should return, but I think at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you're probably just holding out
Speaker 3: a damis and hoping for the best, considering what's on
Speaker 3: the wire.
Speaker 1: Yeah bad, says head to head points need two of
Speaker 1: the three Spencer Strider versus Miami, Logan Web versus Cleveland,
Speaker 1: Joe Ryan versus Milwaukee says I don't think it's lost
Speaker 1: that they did it before a West coast trip. The
Speaker 1: casual fan won't watch the games for ten days while
Speaker 1: they're late, and they probably hope it will be less
Speaker 1: noticed locally. I don't know what that means, but.
Speaker 3: Streider webs probably in reference to the Devors trade. I
Speaker 3: think he was probably throwing that in when we're.
Speaker 1: Talking Oh okay, yeah, yeah, sorry, because it showed like
Speaker 1: together yeah, and I thought it was Yeah. Those are
Speaker 1: two different messages, so my bad. All right, So Strider
Speaker 1: Web Ryan kick one to the curb.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm sit. I guess it's Joe Ryan, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, and damn, these are all guys that you
Speaker 3: should be starting. I feel like there's got to be
Speaker 3: a worse option for the week.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, if these are your worst options, your staff
Speaker 3: is and like absolutely loaded.
Speaker 1: Ten team league. That's not unheard of or anything like that.
Speaker 1: This is good because, like with the questions, we're probably
Speaker 1: not going to get to what we were going to do.
Speaker 1: But one of the questions was do you believe Spencer
Speaker 1: Strider is back? Thirteen strikeout game, the Braves demolished the Rockies.
Speaker 1: There were a combined weekend whiff rate of forty nine
Speaker 1: whiffs from just starting pitchers between Grant Holmes and Spencer Strider.
Speaker 1: Stryder's villa was up his slider just clearly the Rockies
Speaker 1: cannot hit sliders. So I guess the question in this is, like,
Speaker 1: if Striider is you didn't even think twice about it.
Speaker 1: Do you think Striider is back or do you think
Speaker 1: that was more of the Rockies lifting him up.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably a little bit of both, but
Speaker 3: the fact that he gets the mar this week. I mean,
Speaker 3: you have to you pretty much have to start him
Speaker 3: There's it's such a feeble offense.
Speaker 1: I feel like you got to start Logan Web too.
Speaker 1: So that's why Joe Ryan does need to get kicked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Joe Ryan. I think Joe Ryan
Speaker 3: is perennially perennially underrated, and he's one of the best
Speaker 3: pitchers in baseball. But I think that just given how
Speaker 3: well Web is pitched, and given the matchup for Strider
Speaker 3: coming off of that game we saw, he's probably the
Speaker 3: guy that has to go in there. Is Strider fully back,
Speaker 3: I think it's we're probably most of the way there,
Speaker 3: but I still worry a little bit about how he's
Speaker 3: going to be able to maintain the velocity. If we're
Speaker 3: able to see it maintained over three, four or five
Speaker 3: starts and we start to mix in some slightly better
Speaker 3: opponents as well, that will be a bit more of
Speaker 3: a test for him. I just I don't know how
Speaker 3: much to read into these offenses because we're talking about
Speaker 3: some some pretty pretty terrible offenses in Colorado and Miami.
Speaker 3: So even if he blows through Miami, I don't know
Speaker 3: that I would necessarily say, yeah, he's back, so I
Speaker 3: kind of want to give it a little more time.
Speaker 1: So the well, the question kind of arises from, let's
Speaker 1: assume because he's Spencer Strider and he struck out all
Speaker 1: those rockies, his value just kind of went back to
Speaker 1: Strider value, which is roughly like top ten sp Do
Speaker 1: you think you're better set in a redraft? Would you
Speaker 1: like to sell him at an let's say, a top
Speaker 1: ten starting pitcher, or do you want to hold on
Speaker 1: to him thinking there's more upside or he maintains and
Speaker 1: he can't get no caveat to like, give me a
Speaker 1: couple more starts like you got to choose today.
Speaker 3: If that's the option, then I'd probably sell him. But
Speaker 3: I actually have another piece of information that's going to
Speaker 3: make this initial question a lot easier is that he
Speaker 3: has been moved and he's now starting against the Mets.
Speaker 3: It's not the mar it's not the Marlins anymore. So
Speaker 3: does that meant to make it easier for you for
Speaker 3: the weekly decision?
Speaker 2: That would make him a set for me?
Speaker 3: Just given how strong the other two options are with
Speaker 3: their respective matchups, the Mets have been arguably the best
Speaker 3: offense in baseball. I think that for this week that
Speaker 3: makes Striders in a lot of cases. But going forward,
Speaker 3: I think I'm still okay with him. I think he'll
Speaker 3: be better, but if I can get a OP ten
Speaker 3: SP value for him today, then I'd probably sell him.
Speaker 1: I kind of think I might be, like, I'm very
Speaker 1: open and encouraged that the Strider could be back, but
Speaker 1: in that same vein of like if someone was willing
Speaker 1: to give you know, if they it's like hardcore SP
Speaker 1: ten and they give me like an SP let's say
Speaker 1: like eighteen or nineteen, and then like another decent hitter,
Speaker 1: I might do it because I still have some general worries.
Speaker 1: But this also exists from having to make that decision
Speaker 1: now if the peak value is back and I'm getting
Speaker 1: one for one, one hundred percent value on Strider because
Speaker 1: I agree, I actually agree with what you're saying here too.
Speaker 1: That moving that to the Mets, I think I might
Speaker 1: be open to benching him as well, just because like,
Speaker 1: we just don't know what that quite is. And Ryan
Speaker 1: against Milwaukee's a solid matchup. Web is a solid matchup.
Speaker 1: Strider could be old Strider, but he also would get
Speaker 1: blown up, you know, it's all fastball slider. He's got
Speaker 1: to get those whiffs on the slider to be good.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the Mets are going to eat
Speaker 1: slider like the Rockies did, so I think I might
Speaker 1: sit him as well. And bed confirmed to ten team league.
Speaker 1: He had Schwellenbach, Crochet, d Gram Bubchen RP. So like
Speaker 1: it's you know, ten team sp problem that he was
Speaker 1: dealing with.
Speaker 2: Hell of a rotation man, that is incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So that's a really good question.
Speaker 1: Let's see other stuff in here. Our big Dance asked
Speaker 1: are you starting Misrawski versus the Cubs in his next
Speaker 1: start after no hitting through five.
Speaker 3: No, I am not. The Cubs are one of the
Speaker 3: best lineups in baseball. He walked four guys and that started.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a perfect outing. I wouldn't risk it unless
Speaker 3: it's a pretty deep league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if from hugging ratios and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I don't think I want I want to. He needs
Speaker 1: a little bit more before you're starting him against like
Speaker 1: the big teams. So that's where I would stick with that. That,
Speaker 1: my friends, I think is going to do it for us.
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Speaker 1: Joe Rico, any what are you more excited about? Otani
Speaker 1: pitching or seeing Devers at bat for the first time
Speaker 1: as a Giant.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't really care about Devers as a jot
Speaker 3: I know you grew up a Giants fan, so I
Speaker 3: know that that might be something that's kind of I
Speaker 3: know you're a Diamondbacks guy.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel about it, honestly, but
Speaker 3: I'm more excited about Otani for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry Bonds was my favorite, but I grew up
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. My whole family were A's fans.
Speaker 1: I was a Giants fan, but I moved to Arizona
Speaker 1: before the Diamondbacks were a team, So I am a
Speaker 1: literal lifelong Diamondbacks fan since they've been a team. But
Speaker 1: I'm pretty indifferent about it.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: They have not had a great left handed hitter since
Speaker 1: you know who, so it'll be pretty fun. But it
Speaker 1: is clearly Otani. It is clearly Otani getting his first
Speaker 1: first for I'm shocked that this is happening, by the
Speaker 1: way that he is out here doing this. I expect
Speaker 1: they're going to do a lot of these little openers
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, probably through the All Star Game,
Speaker 1: i'd expect, and then it looks like they're going to
Speaker 1: unleash him, which is good, do you think. Okay, last thing,
Speaker 1: will we see a six inning game from sho heyo
Speaker 1: Tani this season?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, but it won't come until you know, September
Speaker 3: October that include playoffs you're saying, or.
Speaker 1: Just now regular season where we see him go six
Speaker 1: innings in a game, like six innings eight plus strikeouts.
Speaker 1: Will we see that this year?
Speaker 3: I could see it, but I think it'll be a
Speaker 3: little while. They're gonna slow play him like crazy. We're
Speaker 3: gonna see very very minimal pitch counts until probably post
Speaker 3: All Star break like you said, and then maybe they
Speaker 3: take the reins off. I could see, like last couple
Speaker 3: weeks of September, he just ever so slightly gets over
Speaker 3: six innings, But I don't think we're gonna see it
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like you said, I think it's gonna be very very
Speaker 1: baby this process, and I think it might be slower
Speaker 1: than we think. But sho hal Tani is back, Devers
Speaker 1: is a giant. Everything is crazy, But glad you guys
Speaker 1: are here to get through all of it with us.
Speaker 1: For Joe Rico. I'm Chris Welsh. We'll talk to you
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