WEBVTT - Cleaning Up: Rafael Devers Trade Breakdown + Chat Q&A (Ep. 1051) 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.360 What's up, friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros MLB. This 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.800 is the Discord live show Cleaning Up. I'm Chris Welsh, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.760 joined by Joe Rico. As always, well, we're live on 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.360 the Fantasy Pro's Discord, hanging with audience members and letting 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.560 you guys dictate what we talk about on the show 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.400 if you want to, because you guys can post questions 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.360 which we'll get to. You can raise your hand. You 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.240 can be a part of the podcast. Boy, what a 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.680 freaking time for it to be this week after an 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:37.400 absolutely berserko insane Father's Day weekend that is kind of 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.159 shattered and kind of shaken the baseball world. 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Joe Rico, my friend, how are. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.680 You I'm good man. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.320 This was an exciting weekend, you know, driving back for 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.880 my grandparents yesterday, just getting that notification, and it was 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.120 kind of similar to the Luka Doncic's trade a few 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.640 months ago, where you're just like, this isn't real. There's 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.720 got to be some kind of hack going on or 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.240 something like that. I just feel bad for folks out 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.040 in Boston who may have bought their dad at Raphael 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.840 Devers Red Sox jersey for Father's Day. But two weeks 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.560 in a row, we got some big Red Sox news 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:32.840 to break down, so it'll be a lot of fun. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:33.000 Man. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.479 There's this video, it's probably my favorite, and it's this daughter. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.000 They're all sitting it's like the whole family. They're sitting 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.960 on a deck and she's like, she's like, they just 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.120 trade Red Sox, just trade to Rafael Devers. But the 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.280 titling of it is that my dad thinks this is 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.920 a TikTok trend. So she says it and the dad 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.040 kind of laughs it off. And then there's like, I 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.640 don't know if it's a brother or whatever sitting in 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.440 the corner and they're like whatever, whatever, And then these 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.800 two it's daughter and another younger brother. They're sitting with 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.680 their phones. They're like, nobody believes us. And then finally, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.520 after you know, ten or fifteen seconds, they all look 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.120 at their phones and then the depression sits in. I 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.040 can only imagine what it must be like to not 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.840 only trade away like a face or like the theoretical 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.400 face of your organization, but like an incredible hitter like 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.160 that and get nothing. I mean, because that is what like, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.359 we can chalk it up somebody, you know, and I 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.880 did our pre show stuff and we'll talk about it, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.079 but I think it was game over, said rather talk 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.440 about Tibbs today. Yeah, I imagine you kind of want 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.160 to know what you got, but we can. We can 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.560 dress some of this stuff up if you'd like. But 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.560 at the end of the day, they decided to get 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.120 rid of their dudes. They decided to get rid of 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.680 Raphaeldt Evers because he was a problem, and they did 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.760 it because they had somebody eat all of the money 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.240 that there's a math equation that went on, Joe. It's like, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.920 how much of a problem are we willing to deal 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.919 with while dealing with this money? It's money versus problem, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.639 And they were in an unfortunate situation where they were 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.240 owed all the money and they had all the problems. Well, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.200 then they got to a spot where someone was willing 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.240 to take on all the money, and then they had 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:22.720 to determine talent versus this, and far surpassed giving up all. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.639 Freeing up that money and getting rid of the financial 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.920 burden was well worth getting rid of the talent that 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.600 was Raphael Devers. And they just didn't get back what 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.360 you shouldn't have got back, and multiple there's some rumors 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.520 that other teams were floating out there. It just looks 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.880 like a bad trade that I think, at the end 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.440 of the day won't be fully answered until they can 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.200 spend some of this money by resending Bragman and maybe 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.480 getting somebody else. But there's just no other way to 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.760 cope this that it looks pretty trashy. 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.320 Yeah, I was trying to wrap my head around it 0:03:58.400 --> 0:03:59.920 and try and think of a way where it may 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.680 sense for Boston to do this. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.520 And the only way that it. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.640 Makes sense is if it just became so untenable within 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.640 the clubhouse that they just had to get him out 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.880 of there, that it had become like a cancer situation. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.960 But moving him right now when you just got through 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.200 a weekend sweep is bizarre. You just took out your 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.839 probably your biggest rival. You've won eight of the last 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.880 ten games, you're kind of making a little bit of 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.200 noise your half game out of the wild card spot. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.480 To do this now doesn't make. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.640 A lot of sense unless there was just truly no 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.680 coming back from this. But if you're going to make 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.159 this trade, why not do it in the offseason and 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.080 still kind of you know, see this year out. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:38.960 Well, I don't understand the timing of it. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.479 Well, I think there's a very very very easy answer 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.800 to that, and it is that you I think the 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.760 timeline of what they felt that they could how much 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.880 let me say this better, They most likely felt that A, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.320 what you said, the bridge is so burned, but b 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.839 this might be one of their only chances to get 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.120 out out of all of the money. Because there's there's 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.039 two different There was a rumor out there that the 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.719 Braves had had a conversation with them, but there was 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.920 money involved that Boston had to send back, and then 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.720 the Braves kind of didn't want to do the trade 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.440 either way. And then Jeff Ponce on Foul Territory Today 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.240 had said that he heard that there was a trade, 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:25.080 didn't know who and all the exacts, but that trade 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.560 also involved them sending money back. So I think everything 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.080 the Red Sox were presented with was they're going to 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.359 have to eat some of this two hundred and eighty 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.760 million whatever was left with it. But then they were presented, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.320 at the peak of all the problems, a team that 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.400 was willing to take on every dollar of the financials, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.000 and I think that's it, Like it's really simple, like 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.200 in a business term that makes sense. Does makes I 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.720 guess it makes some sense. But for us we look 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.839 at it and we're like, the hell's going on here? 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.279 Like this is horrible. You didn't get any you got 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.680 something in return, and we're being over dramatic about it. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.800 Kyle Harrison can be a part of this rotation at 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.000 the end of this year. James Tibbs is a solid bat. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.440 I mean that average really stinks. He's got some big power. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.480 He could be like a fourth or third outfield type, 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.640 but that's not what you get for superstars. So it 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.360 was only about money, and that's why you didn't wait 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.359 on it, because the more you wait, the more that 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.880 a problem could arise. If becomes more and more of 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.440 a problem, leverage maybe goes away, and you can't get 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.039 rid of all that money. So I think that the 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.560 only reason is because the giants said we'll take on 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.159 all the money, and it's as simple as that. 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.240 It just doesn't feel like a good enough reason, because 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.960 you know, the money thing has been talked about a 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.480 lot and how they got out from under this bad contract, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.280 and I don't really agree that it's such a bad contract. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.360 It's thirty one million dollars annual value until twenty thirty four. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.599 I think it's a bad contract. It's a it's a 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.520 bad personality of a player. The contract was never like 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.680 a discussion. It's, oh, this guy, he is not a 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.360 team player, he doesn't want to be here, he doesn't 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.080 listen to anybody. He's disrespecting the owner, at least according 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.600 to the stuff allegedly, and there's just a bunch of 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.800 money attached to him. If he was a good team 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.720 player who cares about the money. But he wasn't, and 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.760 that's the problem. So it was like, we have a 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.560 guy that doesn't want to be here, we don't want 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.679 him here now, and he's owed a truckload of money. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.600 And they were able to offload that. So I think 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.840 that if I made it seem like it was they 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.120 thought they had this bad contract. No is that they 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.640 had a bad contract tied to a player that clearly 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.040 was not going to help them win in the future. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:29.960 See. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.960 I just find a hard time saying that Raphael Devers 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.000 can't help them win. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.280 Already win on the field. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:36.960 I'm saying he can win. His bat can win. But 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.200 he didn't. He wasn't willing to do what the team needed. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.640 They needed him to play first base. He said no, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:42.680 he defied that. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.480 That's what I mean by that, And I've said that myself, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.240 Like I think that he should have just picked up 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.240 a glove and played the field when they asked him to. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.840 You're making all this money, you need to be malleable. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.560 You need to do things that will help the team win. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.760 But he is such an elite hitter, Like this season 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.640 has been statistically the best year of his career. He's 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.920 walking got a crazy rate, the barrel rates and hard 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.560 hit rates are career highs WRC plus is the best 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.440 it's ever been for him. I just think that the 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.800 timing of it is really stupid for the Red Sox. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.680 Like I don't I guess, yeah, it's an untenable situation. Whatever, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.320 Sure you need to do better on the trade, then 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.440 if you have, if you're dead set that you are 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.880 going to move him whatever. I don't care about the money. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.880 The Red Sox were the most profitable team in Major 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.120 League Baseball in twenty twenty four, according to Forbes. There 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.800 is no reason that they needed to make this trade 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.760 for the money side of things and make sure that Okay, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.319 San Francisco's gonna take every penny whatever, but we need 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.480 to get Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks. Like, it's just 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.560 a bad trade. I'm sorry, it's just a bad trade. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.040 If you're gonna get it, if you're gonna trade him, 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.640 if you're gonna be dead set on doing that, fine, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:45.320 then shop. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:46.480 Him around and get a better offer. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.160 Because this, if this was the best they could do, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.199 I would have said, you know what, RAFFI can be 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.200 unhappy for a few more weeks until we try and 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.520 figure out something better. Well, I feel like they could 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.520 have probably done better. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.680 The rumors had been going on for a couple of weeks. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.199 I mean that's the thing, Like we again, at the 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.400 end of the day, all of whatever, we're going to 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.040 say like it is just a bad trade, Like that's 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.240 the nuts and bolts of it. It's just not a 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.760 good trade, but the inner workings of it where you're 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.640 trying to pick apart, like the rumor was, they had 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.600 actually been talking for a couple of weeks. They had 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.600 been talking Buster Posey and the Giants had been talking 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.040 with them for a couple of weeks. They talked to 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.679 the Braves that had been talking to it. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.400 Jops. It wasn't like shopped around from what I heard 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:21.800 that this was. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.920 Yeah, they didn't make a call to all thirty teams 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.280 and say who wants Ralphael Devers. They talked to the 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.440 teams that you know, had probably the most interesting team 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.320 and they say three or four and every single team 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.520 outside of the Giants that expressed that money needs to 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.360 be taken. I get what you're saying. I'm not really 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.920 not trying to refute it or anything like that. It's 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.240 just like this became like a super business baseball move 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.240 and it kind of stinks and it sucks. Now let 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.040 me turn it because this is what I really wanted 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.960 to This was actually the number one on the three 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.120 topics we like to talk about here when we do 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.520 cleaning up while talking to everybody was I wanted to 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.800 get your take on Dever's fantasy value now, because I 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.319 do think it's something interesting to talk about. There's a 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.959 couple elements to it. William Thomas, you know famously now 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.600 you know, great season, blah blah blah. We most of 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.960 us kind of thought like, well, you know, the ballpark 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:11.760 with the Giants might kind of mitigate some of the 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.080 fantasy value. Boy has it. He's really come back down. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:22.040 Devers is leaving what according to Baseball Savant's ballpark Factors 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.000 over a three year window for left handed hitters, number 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.920 two ballpark in all of baseball, overall ballpark factor, home 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.000 run ballpark factor was like pretty low, it was like 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.120 in the twenties. But overall ballpark factor for left handed 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.560 hitters over a three year window, Boston's number two, the 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:45.720 Giants third worst in baseball, third worst overall ballpark factor 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.920 and like the second worst home run ballpark factor for 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.240 left handed hitters and all of baseball three year window. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.959 But I'm gonna give you one little side caveat which 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:58.640 is a really interesting one, Devers. If you look at 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.400 the expect did home run totals says he should have 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.280 two more on Baseball Savigne, but if he played all 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.959 of his games with Boston, he would be two less. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.120 He would have two more in the expected home run 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.120 with San Francisco. There's another weird oddity, weird crappy ballpark 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.920 factor for homers and everything. Yet he has projected two 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.600 more homers with the Giants and would be projected too 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.720 less than he has with the Red Sox had you 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.920 played the full season across. So I'm kind of pushing 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.120 against that ballpark factor. So I'm rambling on here, kind 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.040 of setting up the positive and negatives. What do you 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.880 think Rafield divers fantasy value becomes as a San Francisco Giant. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.040 I think that he is elite enough as a header 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.240 that it won't impact him too much, But it's probably 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.280 a slight down tick if anything. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:49.240 You know, the. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.040 Ballpark is worse, and also the lineup around him is worse. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.319 Boston for the season as a whole, is the tenth 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.920 best lineup in baseball. Dever's probably doing some of the 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.760 heavy lifting there with a one zero six WRC plus 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.920 San Francisco is twentieth with a ninety six, So that 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.800 is kind of a drastic change as well as the 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.280 ballpark factor, so it's it's probably going to hurt him 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.240 a little bit, but I think the Devers is a 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.920 lead enough where it's not a situation where he is now, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.280 you know, somebody you have to be selling off or 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.080 anything like that. I think he's still going to be fine. 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.760 Like the rest of season projections, fifteen to seventeen more homers, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.160 probably fifty more runs, fifty more ribbies, the batting average 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.840 will remain probably about the same. This is not a 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.520 situation where I think it changes greatly. Maybe a slight downtick, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:31.720 but nothing, nothing drastic. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:31.960 For me. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.200 Yeah, I think it's a little bit. I think it's 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.200 like a I'd put a percentage, like a five percent, 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.880 five to ten percent reduction overall. But you know, like 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.600 the home run factors are really interesting with you know, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.840 with San Francisco as well, that maybe there's still some 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.360 homers and maybe they're manufacturing some runs. I don't know, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.320 but it's five to ten percent maximum, So I'm not 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.640 really looking too far into it, but I think it's 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.760 something to pay attention to. And the final, you know, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.040 the final tip of the cap here is that Buster 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.000 Posey said that Devers might be playing some third base 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.560 or first base, and that's the biggest like middle finger 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.440 that Devers continued to give with Boston is just like 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.640 he was just so upset about whatever, you know, like, oh, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.439 you didn't talk to me, or you make me move 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:18.520 a position, like who cares? 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:18.679 Man? 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.640 Three hundred million dollar man do whatever. He'll now do 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.319 it with San Francisco And that's a little bit of 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.439 the slap of the face. But then he might regain 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.439 some of that position eligibility for next year by doing so. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.520 So that's I guess, yeah, a pseudo positive. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.839 I don't think Chapman's supposed to be out for too 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:35.600 too long. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.360 No, it's a sprained it's a. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.600 Sprained hand, so he's not usurping Matt Chapman. But maybe 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.920 he does end up playing regular first base. Reps that 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.240 that's a possibility. But I think it would be very 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.719 funny to see him just first game in San Francisco 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:51.040 pick up a glove. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:51.360 And play the field. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.400 And they're actually playing the Red Sox this weekend, so 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.320 that's gonna be kind of fun. And I think some 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.440 home run bets should probably be put on Devers this weekend. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.440 Hunt of percent he's gonna play third base. And by 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.559 the way, they didn't say he's gonna supplant him. They 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.760 just said wild Chapmans, he might pick up a third 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.120 base club first base would make a ton of sense. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.800 They can dh and you know whatever. But it's the 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.760 willingness to now do it is what's really just It's 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.120 just kind of gross across the board. And yeah, I mean, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.920 I don't think he changed positional fantasy value. I wouldn't 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.840 be looking to sell him off or anything like that. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.360 But just know, you know, there definitely was a reduction 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.360 in fantasy production out of Willia Damas. If he can 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.480 pick it back up, maybe Devers will provide him some 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.680 I don't know, some lineup protection or help him work 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.680 with the swing. I really don't know. But Rafaeld Evers 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:37.560 in San Francisco is such a ridiculously crazy wild move 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:43.320 that we did not expect for this Father's Day weekend whatsoever? Whatsoever? 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.160 Do you think he gets remembered as a Red Sox 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.880 or as a Giant and all of a sudden done giant? 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.360 I think the I think this is like a burn 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.040 the Bridge type of situation. There's a possibility if he 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.080 just becomes so good and the Red Sox continue to 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.080 just make bad moves that the fan base kind of 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.400 turns on ownership and they look back fondly. But I 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.000 just think with how he I think the approach here. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.280 Maybe I'm wrong by the way I won a championship, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.320 I shouldn't say that, but like the burning of the 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.280 not being like he dug his own grave because he 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.240 was unwilling to be a team player is what got 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.880 him traded, you know. I mean we're all speculating too, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.560 by the way, but for all intentsive purposes, it seems 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.920 like with how dismissive he was with the management in 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.320 front of him, managers, and then being dismissive with ownership, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.160 not willing to listen, not willing to go and play, 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.880 not willing to make the team better when you're just 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.760 desperately trying, when you're struggling. You lost a player unwillingness 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.520 across the board, and there was stuff out there that 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.720 he was unwilling to And again these are just rumors, 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.120 but he was unwilling to be a part of team events, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.880 sponsorship type of stuff. Like all of that, he just 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.040 dug his own grave, and he is the reason that 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.280 he's traded. I don't think that's an argument here, Like 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.080 he is the reason he is traded. Obviously, say like, well, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.920 you know whatever John Henry got in his fields and 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.280 stuff like that, but at the end of the day, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.760 it's raw field. Devers is the reason that he's traded. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.640 So if there's a possibility, it could be a giant 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.800 because he's still got a long career ahead of him. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.400 But you know, he did win a championship, so Red 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:16.359 Sox will always. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.160 Love waiting for that. But it does remind me of 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.280 a little bit as a Toronto guy. Not to make 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.240 another basketball reference, but Vince Carter leaving Toronto and he 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.560 was kind of vilified in Toronto for a long time. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.960 The city eventually kind of forgave him, and that might 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.720 be what happens with Devers. Maybe it takes a little 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.560 bit of time and eventually they'll they'll come around and 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.960 remember everything he did for the team because he was 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.080 he's one of the best players in franchise history, even 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.640 though he only played until he was twenty eight. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.960 Here, yeah, well, we'll see how I mean, that's a 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.320 really good question, but it's too early to tell to 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.240 see what he does with the Giants, and you know, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.400 if he decides to keep talking to keep saying some 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.640 more stuff and bash the Red Sox, we'll see how 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.360 it ultimately goes. 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So sorry to 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.520 bug about this question again, but haven't found a trade 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.280 partner for one of my three shortstops. Ellie Abrams netto 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.800 shortstop is so deep, and wanted to know who to 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.040 target with one of those three players for outfield or 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.040 pitching help. So this one had come to us before, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.560 and I think it was about like, if I remember 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.840 correctly that I feel like the question was like, should 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.840 I trade Ellie and Dota? 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:42.960 Do? 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:48.000 I still not trading Ellie? After four straight home run games, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.280 He's sixteen to twenty homers, of stolen bases, batting averages 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.439 up over two seventy three. I think I had originally 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.879 brought up that interesting Ellie versus Corbyn, Carol One, and 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.800 Y know what Ellie looks is way more valuable right now, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.480 points higher batting average, only four less homers, but ten 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.600 more stolen bases. Ellie's going off. So if you had 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.080 to pick one of these guys, understanding the relative like 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.240 outfield that you're going to get back, are you trading 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.919 the super high of Ellie? Are you trading the medium 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.080 of Abrams or the little bit lower of Neto? 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.879