1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros MLB. This 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: is the Discord live show Cleaning Up. I'm Chris Welsh, 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: joined by Joe Rico. As always, well, we're live on 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: the Fantasy Pro's Discord, hanging with audience members and letting 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: you guys dictate what we talk about on the show 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: if you want to, because you guys can post questions 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: which we'll get to. You can raise your hand. You 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: can be a part of the podcast. Boy, what a 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: freaking time for it to be this week after an 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: absolutely berserko insane Father's Day weekend that is kind of 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: shattered and kind of shaken the baseball world. We'll be 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: covering that and a whole bunch more. We got a 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: couple of topics we might be hitting, like Spencer Strider 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: and more So, raise your hands. If you're in here, 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: and if you have not joined, go and check it 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: out Fantasypros dot com slash chat. You can join the 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: discord for free and you can get in here. We're 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: here Monday a five pm Eastern. You can be a 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: part of the show. We'd love to have you. Let's 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: do it. Joe Rico, my friend, how are. 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: You I'm good man. 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 3: This was an exciting weekend, you know, driving back for 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: my grandparents yesterday, just getting that notification, and it was 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: kind of similar to the Luka Doncic's trade a few 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: months ago, where you're just like, this isn't real. There's 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: got to be some kind of hack going on or 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: something like that. I just feel bad for folks out 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: in Boston who may have bought their dad at Raphael 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: Devers Red Sox jersey for Father's Day. But two weeks 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: in a row, we got some big Red Sox news 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: to break down, so it'll be a lot of fun. 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: Man. 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: There's this video, it's probably my favorite, and it's this daughter. 34 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: They're all sitting it's like the whole family. They're sitting 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: on a deck and she's like, she's like, they just 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: trade Red Sox, just trade to Rafael Devers. But the 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: titling of it is that my dad thinks this is 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: a TikTok trend. So she says it and the dad 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of laughs it off. And then there's like, I 40 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a brother or whatever sitting in 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: the corner and they're like whatever, whatever, And then these 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: two it's daughter and another younger brother. They're sitting with 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: their phones. They're like, nobody believes us. And then finally, 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: after you know, ten or fifteen seconds, they all look 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: at their phones and then the depression sits in. I 46 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: can only imagine what it must be like to not 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: only trade away like a face or like the theoretical 48 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: face of your organization, but like an incredible hitter like 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: that and get nothing. I mean, because that is what like, 50 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: we can chalk it up somebody, you know, and I 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: did our pre show stuff and we'll talk about it, 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: but I think it was game over, said rather talk 53 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: about Tibbs today. Yeah, I imagine you kind of want 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: to know what you got, but we can. We can 55 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: dress some of this stuff up if you'd like. But 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they decided to get 57 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: rid of their dudes. They decided to get rid of 58 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: Raphaeldt Evers because he was a problem, and they did 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: it because they had somebody eat all of the money 60 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: that there's a math equation that went on, Joe. It's like, 61 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: how much of a problem are we willing to deal 62 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: with while dealing with this money? It's money versus problem, 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: And they were in an unfortunate situation where they were 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: owed all the money and they had all the problems. Well, 65 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: then they got to a spot where someone was willing 66 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: to take on all the money, and then they had 67 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: to determine talent versus this, and far surpassed giving up all. 68 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: Freeing up that money and getting rid of the financial 69 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: burden was well worth getting rid of the talent that 70 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: was Raphael Devers. And they just didn't get back what 71 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have got back, and multiple there's some rumors 72 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: that other teams were floating out there. It just looks 73 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: like a bad trade that I think, at the end 74 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: of the day won't be fully answered until they can 75 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: spend some of this money by resending Bragman and maybe 76 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: getting somebody else. But there's just no other way to 77 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: cope this that it looks pretty trashy. 78 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to wrap my head around it 79 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: and try and think of a way where it may 80 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: sense for Boston to do this. 81 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: And the only way that it. 82 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: Makes sense is if it just became so untenable within 83 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: the clubhouse that they just had to get him out 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: of there, that it had become like a cancer situation. 85 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: But moving him right now when you just got through 86 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: a weekend sweep is bizarre. You just took out your 87 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: probably your biggest rival. You've won eight of the last 88 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: ten games, you're kind of making a little bit of 89 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: noise your half game out of the wild card spot. 90 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: To do this now doesn't make. 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: A lot of sense unless there was just truly no 92 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: coming back from this. But if you're going to make 93 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: this trade, why not do it in the offseason and 94 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: still kind of you know, see this year out. 95 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand the timing of it. 96 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a very very very easy answer 97 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: to that, and it is that you I think the 98 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: timeline of what they felt that they could how much 99 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: let me say this better, They most likely felt that A, 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: what you said, the bridge is so burned, but b 101 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: this might be one of their only chances to get 102 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: out out of all of the money. Because there's there's 103 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: two different There was a rumor out there that the 104 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: Braves had had a conversation with them, but there was 105 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: money involved that Boston had to send back, and then 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: the Braves kind of didn't want to do the trade 107 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: either way. And then Jeff Ponce on Foul Territory Today 108 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: had said that he heard that there was a trade, 109 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: didn't know who and all the exacts, but that trade 110 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: also involved them sending money back. So I think everything 111 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: the Red Sox were presented with was they're going to 112 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: have to eat some of this two hundred and eighty 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: million whatever was left with it. But then they were presented, 114 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: at the peak of all the problems, a team that 115 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: was willing to take on every dollar of the financials, 116 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's it, Like it's really simple, like 117 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: in a business term that makes sense. Does makes I 118 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: guess it makes some sense. But for us we look 119 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: at it and we're like, the hell's going on here? 120 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: Like this is horrible. You didn't get any you got 121 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: something in return, and we're being over dramatic about it. 122 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison can be a part of this rotation at 123 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: the end of this year. James Tibbs is a solid bat. 124 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean that average really stinks. He's got some big power. 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: He could be like a fourth or third outfield type, 126 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: but that's not what you get for superstars. So it 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: was only about money, and that's why you didn't wait 128 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: on it, because the more you wait, the more that 129 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: a problem could arise. If becomes more and more of 130 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: a problem, leverage maybe goes away, and you can't get 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: rid of all that money. So I think that the 132 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: only reason is because the giants said we'll take on 133 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: all the money, and it's as simple as that. 134 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: It just doesn't feel like a good enough reason, because 135 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: you know, the money thing has been talked about a 136 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: lot and how they got out from under this bad contract, 137 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: and I don't really agree that it's such a bad contract. 138 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: It's thirty one million dollars annual value until twenty thirty four. 139 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: I think it's a bad contract. It's a it's a 140 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: bad personality of a player. The contract was never like 141 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: a discussion. It's, oh, this guy, he is not a 142 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: team player, he doesn't want to be here, he doesn't 143 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: listen to anybody. He's disrespecting the owner, at least according 144 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: to the stuff allegedly, and there's just a bunch of 145 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: money attached to him. If he was a good team 146 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: player who cares about the money. But he wasn't, and 147 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: that's the problem. So it was like, we have a 148 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: guy that doesn't want to be here, we don't want 149 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: him here now, and he's owed a truckload of money. 150 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: And they were able to offload that. So I think 151 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: that if I made it seem like it was they 152 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: thought they had this bad contract. No is that they 153 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: had a bad contract tied to a player that clearly 154 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: was not going to help them win in the future. 155 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: See. 156 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: I just find a hard time saying that Raphael Devers 157 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: can't help them win. 158 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: Already win on the field. 159 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying he can win. His bat can win. But 160 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: he didn't. He wasn't willing to do what the team needed. 161 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: They needed him to play first base. He said no, 162 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: he defied that. 163 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: That's what I mean by that, And I've said that myself, 164 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: Like I think that he should have just picked up 165 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: a glove and played the field when they asked him to. 166 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: You're making all this money, you need to be malleable. 167 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: You need to do things that will help the team win. 168 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: But he is such an elite hitter, Like this season 169 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: has been statistically the best year of his career. He's 170 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: walking got a crazy rate, the barrel rates and hard 171 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: hit rates are career highs WRC plus is the best 172 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: it's ever been for him. I just think that the 173 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: timing of it is really stupid for the Red Sox. 174 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: Like I don't I guess, yeah, it's an untenable situation. Whatever, 175 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: Sure you need to do better on the trade, then 176 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: if you have, if you're dead set that you are 177 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: going to move him whatever. I don't care about the money. 178 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: The Red Sox were the most profitable team in Major 179 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: League Baseball in twenty twenty four, according to Forbes. There 180 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: is no reason that they needed to make this trade 181 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: for the money side of things and make sure that Okay, 182 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: San Francisco's gonna take every penny whatever, but we need 183 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: to get Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks. Like, it's just 184 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: a bad trade. I'm sorry, it's just a bad trade. 185 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: If you're gonna get it, if you're gonna trade him, 186 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: if you're gonna be dead set on doing that, fine, 187 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: then shop. 188 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: Him around and get a better offer. 189 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: Because this, if this was the best they could do, 190 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 3: I would have said, you know what, RAFFI can be 191 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: unhappy for a few more weeks until we try and 192 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: figure out something better. Well, I feel like they could 193 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: have probably done better. 194 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: The rumors had been going on for a couple of weeks. 195 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing, Like we again, at the 196 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: end of the day, all of whatever, we're going to 197 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: say like it is just a bad trade, Like that's 198 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of it. It's just not a 199 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: good trade, but the inner workings of it where you're 200 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: trying to pick apart, like the rumor was, they had 201 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: actually been talking for a couple of weeks. They had 202 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: been talking Buster Posey and the Giants had been talking 203 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: with them for a couple of weeks. They talked to 204 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: the Braves that had been talking to it. 205 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: Jops. It wasn't like shopped around from what I heard 206 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: that this was. 207 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't make a call to all thirty teams 208 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: and say who wants Ralphael Devers. They talked to the 209 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: teams that you know, had probably the most interesting team 210 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: and they say three or four and every single team 211 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: outside of the Giants that expressed that money needs to 212 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: be taken. I get what you're saying. I'm not really 213 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: not trying to refute it or anything like that. It's 214 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: just like this became like a super business baseball move 215 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: and it kind of stinks and it sucks. Now let 216 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: me turn it because this is what I really wanted 217 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: to This was actually the number one on the three 218 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: topics we like to talk about here when we do 219 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: cleaning up while talking to everybody was I wanted to 220 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: get your take on Dever's fantasy value now, because I 221 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: do think it's something interesting to talk about. There's a 222 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: couple elements to it. William Thomas, you know famously now 223 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, great season, blah blah blah. We most of 224 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: us kind of thought like, well, you know, the ballpark 225 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: with the Giants might kind of mitigate some of the 226 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: fantasy value. Boy has it. He's really come back down. 227 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: Devers is leaving what according to Baseball Savant's ballpark Factors 228 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: over a three year window for left handed hitters, number 229 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: two ballpark in all of baseball, overall ballpark factor, home 230 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: run ballpark factor was like pretty low, it was like 231 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: in the twenties. But overall ballpark factor for left handed 232 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: hitters over a three year window, Boston's number two, the 233 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Giants third worst in baseball, third worst overall ballpark factor 234 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: and like the second worst home run ballpark factor for 235 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: left handed hitters and all of baseball three year window. 236 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give you one little side caveat which 237 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: is a really interesting one, Devers. If you look at 238 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: the expect did home run totals says he should have 239 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: two more on Baseball Savigne, but if he played all 240 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: of his games with Boston, he would be two less. 241 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: He would have two more in the expected home run 242 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: with San Francisco. There's another weird oddity, weird crappy ballpark 243 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: factor for homers and everything. Yet he has projected two 244 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: more homers with the Giants and would be projected too 245 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: less than he has with the Red Sox had you 246 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: played the full season across. So I'm kind of pushing 247 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: against that ballpark factor. So I'm rambling on here, kind 248 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: of setting up the positive and negatives. What do you 249 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: think Rafield divers fantasy value becomes as a San Francisco Giant. 250 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: I think that he is elite enough as a header 251 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: that it won't impact him too much, But it's probably 252 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: a slight down tick if anything. 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: You know, the. 254 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: Ballpark is worse, and also the lineup around him is worse. 255 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: Boston for the season as a whole, is the tenth 256 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: best lineup in baseball. Dever's probably doing some of the 257 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: heavy lifting there with a one zero six WRC plus 258 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: San Francisco is twentieth with a ninety six, So that 259 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: is kind of a drastic change as well as the 260 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: ballpark factor, so it's it's probably going to hurt him 261 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: a little bit, but I think the Devers is a 262 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: lead enough where it's not a situation where he is now, 263 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: you know, somebody you have to be selling off or 264 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: anything like that. I think he's still going to be fine. 265 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: Like the rest of season projections, fifteen to seventeen more homers, 266 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: probably fifty more runs, fifty more ribbies, the batting average 267 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: will remain probably about the same. This is not a 268 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: situation where I think it changes greatly. Maybe a slight downtick, 269 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: but nothing, nothing drastic. 270 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: For me. 271 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a little bit. I think it's 272 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: like a I'd put a percentage, like a five percent, 273 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: five to ten percent reduction overall. But you know, like 274 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: the home run factors are really interesting with you know, 275 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: with San Francisco as well, that maybe there's still some 276 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: homers and maybe they're manufacturing some runs. I don't know, 277 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: but it's five to ten percent maximum, So I'm not 278 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: really looking too far into it, but I think it's 279 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: something to pay attention to. And the final, you know, 280 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: the final tip of the cap here is that Buster 281 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Posey said that Devers might be playing some third base 282 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: or first base, and that's the biggest like middle finger 283 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: that Devers continued to give with Boston is just like 284 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: he was just so upset about whatever, you know, like, oh, 285 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: you didn't talk to me, or you make me move 286 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: a position, like who cares? 287 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: Man? 288 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: Three hundred million dollar man do whatever. He'll now do 289 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: it with San Francisco And that's a little bit of 290 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: the slap of the face. But then he might regain 291 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: some of that position eligibility for next year by doing so. 292 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: So that's I guess, yeah, a pseudo positive. 293 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 3: I don't think Chapman's supposed to be out for too 294 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: too long. 295 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: No, it's a sprained it's a. 296 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: Sprained hand, so he's not usurping Matt Chapman. But maybe 297 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: he does end up playing regular first base. Reps that 298 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: that's a possibility. But I think it would be very 299 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 3: funny to see him just first game in San Francisco 300 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: pick up a glove. 301 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: And play the field. 302 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: And they're actually playing the Red Sox this weekend, so 303 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 3: that's gonna be kind of fun. And I think some 304 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: home run bets should probably be put on Devers this weekend. 305 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: Hunt of percent he's gonna play third base. And by 306 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: the way, they didn't say he's gonna supplant him. They 307 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: just said wild Chapmans, he might pick up a third 308 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: base club first base would make a ton of sense. 309 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: They can dh and you know whatever. But it's the 310 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: willingness to now do it is what's really just It's 311 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: just kind of gross across the board. And yeah, I mean, 312 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he changed positional fantasy value. I wouldn't 313 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: be looking to sell him off or anything like that. 314 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: But just know, you know, there definitely was a reduction 315 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: in fantasy production out of Willia Damas. If he can 316 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: pick it back up, maybe Devers will provide him some 317 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, some lineup protection or help him work 318 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: with the swing. I really don't know. But Rafaeld Evers 319 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: in San Francisco is such a ridiculously crazy wild move 320 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: that we did not expect for this Father's Day weekend whatsoever? Whatsoever? 321 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: Do you think he gets remembered as a Red Sox 322 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: or as a Giant and all of a sudden done giant? 323 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: I think the I think this is like a burn 324 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: the Bridge type of situation. There's a possibility if he 325 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: just becomes so good and the Red Sox continue to 326 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: just make bad moves that the fan base kind of 327 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: turns on ownership and they look back fondly. But I 328 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: just think with how he I think the approach here. 329 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong by the way I won a championship, 330 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that, but like the burning of the 331 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: not being like he dug his own grave because he 332 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: was unwilling to be a team player is what got 333 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: him traded, you know. I mean we're all speculating too, 334 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: by the way, but for all intentsive purposes, it seems 335 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: like with how dismissive he was with the management in 336 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: front of him, managers, and then being dismissive with ownership, 337 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: not willing to listen, not willing to go and play, 338 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: not willing to make the team better when you're just 339 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: desperately trying, when you're struggling. You lost a player unwillingness 340 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: across the board, and there was stuff out there that 341 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: he was unwilling to And again these are just rumors, 342 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: but he was unwilling to be a part of team events, 343 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: sponsorship type of stuff. Like all of that, he just 344 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: dug his own grave, and he is the reason that 345 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: he's traded. I don't think that's an argument here, Like 346 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: he is the reason he is traded. Obviously, say like, well, 347 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: you know whatever John Henry got in his fields and 348 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but at the end of the day, 349 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: it's raw field. Devers is the reason that he's traded. 350 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: So if there's a possibility, it could be a giant 351 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: because he's still got a long career ahead of him. 352 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: But you know, he did win a championship, so Red 353 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,359 Speaker 1: Sox will always. 354 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: Love waiting for that. But it does remind me of 355 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: a little bit as a Toronto guy. Not to make 356 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: another basketball reference, but Vince Carter leaving Toronto and he 357 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: was kind of vilified in Toronto for a long time. 358 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: The city eventually kind of forgave him, and that might 359 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: be what happens with Devers. Maybe it takes a little 360 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: bit of time and eventually they'll they'll come around and 361 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: remember everything he did for the team because he was 362 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: he's one of the best players in franchise history, even 363 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: though he only played until he was twenty eight. 364 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: Here, yeah, well, we'll see how I mean, that's a 365 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: really good question, but it's too early to tell to 366 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: see what he does with the Giants, and you know, 367 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: if he decides to keep talking to keep saying some 368 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: more stuff and bash the Red Sox, we'll see how 369 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: it ultimately goes. 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So this one had come to us before, 386 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: and I think it was about like, if I remember 387 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: correctly that I feel like the question was like, should 388 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: I trade Ellie and Dota? 389 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: Do? 390 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: I still not trading Ellie? After four straight home run games, 391 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: He's sixteen to twenty homers, of stolen bases, batting averages 392 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: up over two seventy three. I think I had originally 393 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: brought up that interesting Ellie versus Corbyn, Carol One, and 394 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: Y know what Ellie looks is way more valuable right now, 395 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: points higher batting average, only four less homers, but ten 396 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: more stolen bases. Ellie's going off. So if you had 397 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: to pick one of these guys, understanding the relative like 398 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: outfield that you're going to get back, are you trading 399 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: the super high of Ellie? Are you trading the medium 400 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: of Abrams or the little bit lower of Neto? 401 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: I kind of think that Neto has surpassed Abrams at 402 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: this point. I just think that he's probably a little 403 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: bit of a higher floor. The lineup is bad, but 404 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: it's kind of bad for both. But I would probably 405 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: try and sell off of Abrams first of the three. 406 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 3: Ellie is far and away the number one shortstop this year, 407 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 3: and I think he'll probably. 408 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: Continue at that pace. 409 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: Neto, I mean, Neto is looking like he'll probably finish 410 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: as a top eight or ten guy, and I think 411 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: Abrams is probably just a little bit farther behind there. 412 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 3: But he was also the guy who was drafted as 413 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: a top fifty player and to this point of the 414 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: season just looking at like a twelve team player raider, 415 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: he is a thirteen dollars player. So trying to find 416 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: a pairing in the outfield would leave you somewhere in 417 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: like the Jung Hu Lee, Brandon Nemo, Jared Duran type 418 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: of range in terms of season to date value. So 419 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: if you were able to trade C. J. Abrams for 420 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: Jared Duran Welsh, would you do that? 421 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's a good for trade for trade, 422 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you can get that done. I think 423 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: you probably have to live a like can you give 424 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: me a Are you looking at the dollar raider right now? 425 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? 426 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: Are there any other like maybe higher dollar lower named 427 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: players or lower dollar higher name guys like just go 428 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: a little bit like go to like fifteen and go 429 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: to ten. 430 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: So there's Elliott Ramos who is a little bit higher 431 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: than that range, but that could potentially work. Elliott Ramos 432 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: for CJ. 433 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: Abrams. I could see somebody. 434 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: I actually don't hate that Dever's more lineup protection in there. 435 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: Helio has been doing some business. I don't hate that. 436 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: Hunter Goodman, but he's kind of catcher outfield, so it's 437 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: a little bit tricky with him. 438 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: TJ. 439 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 3: Friedel has been low he fantastic this season. You probably 440 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: would want to aim for higher with Abrams, so you 441 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 3: maybe want to get a second piece back. But Friedel 442 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: has been terrific so far. 443 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: Okay, Now give me a couple of those, like like 444 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: a little bit lower dollar, bigger name players that maybe 445 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: are underperforming, like in the nine to ten range. 446 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: So we have Luis Robert don't have the interest there. 447 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think a trade is looming. 448 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: Michael Harris the second probably you could do a little 449 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: bit better than that, I would imagine. 450 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: I think a Harris for I think a Harris for 451 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Abrams is relatively okay. 452 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: I'd probably Abras, but yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty close. 453 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 454 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: Ian Happ Ian Happ is still somebody I like a lot. 455 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: Those are generally kind of the names Loutis, Guriel Junior 456 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: as well as in that same range. 457 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: I think we can kill it there. I think I 458 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: think those are some good not Lortis, but like Halp 459 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: Michael Harris in that Abrams range, or if you want 460 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: to have more like I'm performing now, you can go 461 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: in like the HELLI O Ramos, TJ. Friedel. I think 462 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: that's the general space that you could look at for 463 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: like an Abrams or even a netto probably pushed towards Abrams. 464 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: But don't move Ellie is the key. That's where we're 465 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: going at our boy, GAMEOVA. It wants to come up, 466 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: so GAMEOVA. On the podcast What's Up, Dude, you gotta 467 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: unmute though he's got the funny picture with Johnoe speakon 468 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: what's up? 469 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: Man? 470 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: Hey, you guys doing We're doing good, dude, what do 471 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: you got good? 472 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: Brother? 473 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: Oh man? I know, well, if you're the prospect guy, 474 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: and I know you probably watched Gage Wood, so that 475 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 4: no hit or nineteen strikeouts, Yeah, people don't know. 476 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: Yeah it is for next year. But Gage would just 477 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: through the third College World Series no hitter today, striking 478 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: out nineteen and he hit a batter which could have 479 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: made it a perfect game. It's the first College World 480 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: Series no hitter I believe since nineteen sixty. Was absolute 481 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: gas and he was already in the realm of a 482 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: projected first round pick an absolutely insane performance of are 483 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: just going crazy? Gauge would with the a's and then 484 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: our eight gauge jump, and then Gauge would today with 485 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: an insane performance. 486 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that was my day. I was like, he's 487 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 4: probably be a top fifteen pick. But back to you know, 488 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 4: major leagues. I have a Christian Moore, an Auto Camp, 489 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: and I got Ozzie Alvi's. I'm looking to ship up 490 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: ship off Ozzy. What is like his value? Because I 491 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 4: like Christian Moore and I like Auto Kimp. 492 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: Is there a positional like need anywhere. 493 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 4: I need safe holds and stolen bases? It's like a 494 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: roto ten team? 495 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: Okay? 496 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: Cool? All right? 497 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: So if we're targeting saves and holds and we're trading 498 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: Ozzie Alb's, is there anybody that jumps to mind in 499 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: either category that you're potentially looking at. Ozzy is just 500 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: underperformed all year. Let me pull up his stats. We'll 501 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: give you a chance to take a peek there, Joey, 502 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: but Ozzy two twenty two six homers, two stolen bases, 503 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: and ultimately it really hurts the trade value. His name 504 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: will still hold some of it. 505 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: Up. 506 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: But you know, in the closer market, I think it's 507 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: going to be tough, and I think in the stolen 508 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 1: base market, you're probably going to have to really just 509 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: buy low, specifically on like a player's name that doesn't 510 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Like I would tell you Chandler Simpson would 511 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: have been a prime player I would look at if 512 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: he was up in the majors right now, that'd be phenomenal. 513 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: But does anybody jump out to you on the saves 514 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: or the stolen bases if you're moving off of Albi's. 515 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: I mean, the thing with trading Albi's right now is 516 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: it might be the lowest value that he's had in 517 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: his entire career arguably. So I would prefer to not 518 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: do this. But if you are dead set on doing it, 519 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: maybe you could try for like maybe a Pete Fairbanks 520 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: or I don't know, Melo Doval. Potentially, it's not that's 521 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: the thing with Albey's. The value is probably so low 522 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: that you might get laughed out of these negotiations asking 523 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: for some of these guys. 524 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: But I mean, you. 525 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: Could try for Jeff Hoffman because that era is up there, 526 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: but he's still probably pretty secure in Toronto. That's that's 527 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 3: Those are kind of the names that I would look 528 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: at for for relievers, but it's it will be really 529 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: really tricky in terms of stolen bases. 530 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: Mentioned TJ. 531 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 3: Friedel earlier, and he's a good stolen based guy. 532 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: To my mind. When that popped up, I was like, 533 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: that might be a guy that you could maybe get 534 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: that done with. 535 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: It could be for sure, Luis Robert. If you're trying 536 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: to just do my bad asset for your bad asset, 537 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: maybe that does work out as well. Could go for 538 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: a Victor Scott and then maybe you get a second 539 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: piece back in there. 540 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: How about this this situe, what if you went and 541 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: got like a really cheap saves guy with a Caballero. 542 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: Caballero is tied for the lead and stolen bases on 543 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: the league his name value. I mean to be honest 544 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: with you, they might bock it all be's in general, 545 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: but like getting like a I know Will Vess is 546 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: banged up, but just follow me like a Will Vest 547 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: and a Hosa Cabiro for Ozzi Alby's. That's kind of 548 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: what like fantasy trades are built around like that mold. 549 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 550 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: You out on cabro. 551 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: No, no, I like Jose Cabiro, but I think that's 552 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: probably fair value. But looking at that, and even just 553 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: looking at where we would have been a couple months 554 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: ago with Albi's, I feel like the smarter move is 555 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: it just hope that he turns things around and maybe 556 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 3: next year you can sell him for a much higher price. 557 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: This is a guy who has a couple of seasons 558 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 3: already with thirty homers, hundred runs, hundred ribbies. You know, 559 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 3: he's in a lineup that I think will probably eventually 560 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 3: be a lot better. So I think that's a good 561 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 3: pairing Caballero in vest. But my preference here would be 562 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: to just hold tight. 563 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: I think I know what you're getting at. Another guy 564 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: would throw out maybe Exavier Edwards if you're looking for 565 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: stolen bases, but there's some empty stats, and but that's 566 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: what you're going to have to do. That's kind of 567 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: maybe the main point here is you're going to have 568 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: to go a little bit lower in the market if 569 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: you want to sell off Ozzi Albi's. Unfortunately, that's kind 570 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: of the toughness here. All right, Let's burn through a 571 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: couple more of these questions that are in here, so 572 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: we had the gauge would thoughts on this trade twelve 573 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: team head to head roto Dynasty League. He gets Corbyn 574 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: Burns and Lance McCullers gave up Devin Williams and Camille Devall. 575 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: I hesitated because I was like, could this be Chase Burns. 576 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm not competing this year, so I'm thinking for next 577 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: year and on. So I mean, yeah, you're definitely two 578 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: years on. So essentially two of these closers for Corbyn 579 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: Burns and Lance McCullers, you're betting two years from now. 580 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: This is a tough tra This is not a trade 581 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: I would probably do. Corbyn Burns is going to be 582 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: like thirty two or thirty three when he's finally healthy again. 583 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: Lance mcculler's is back on the il. Devin Williams he's 584 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: been shaky, but he has the potential to get back 585 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: into being like a top three closer in baseball, and 586 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: Deval's pretty good. I gotta be honest with you, so Kyle, 587 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I would have done that, 588 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: for That's not what I would do. When I'm trading 589 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: Devin Williams in Deval is trying to buy on Corbyn Burns, 590 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: who's going to be out till twenty twenty seven, So 591 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: I would have probably went a different But what say you, I'm. 592 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: In the same boat there. 593 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean mccullars is already kind of snuck up 594 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: on us because he's missed a couple of seasons, but 595 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 3: he's going to be thirty two later on this time. 596 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I do like mc colors. I do like mccollers, but 597 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: still I like them. 598 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: Okay, I like them. Okay. 599 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: The command has really not been there in his return, 600 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: and we've seen the whip be crazy high because of it. 601 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: Maybe he's able to eventually figure things out. And I 602 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: mean trading relievers. I don't have a huge problem with it, 603 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: just because they are pretty volatile assets to begin with. 604 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: But I personally agree with Walsh. 605 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: I would have wanted to do a little bit better 606 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: than Burns and mccollors. 607 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: All right, Dexter feeling very weak at shortstop with the 608 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 1: damis could the devonstrate potentially boost him? Waiver Wire consists 609 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: of the likes of Trevor's story right out, Willy or 610 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: do you have any trade targets at shortstop? Shortstop is deep? 611 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: I would say my initial reaction is to wait out 612 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Willy here definitely, like, let's get like a week and 613 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: see what Devers does to the lineup, if anything, maybe 614 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: if it changes approaches, it changes momentum. I would love 615 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: for Adamis to pick back up, but he has struggled, 616 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, someone like Prodomo Perdomo's getting chance is hitting 617 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: three's people still don't love him. Like that would be 618 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: someone I would target in type of a trade, but 619 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to target Trevor story. Prodomo came to mind, 620 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: but ultimately I think I want to kind of see 621 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: if a Damas gets picked up by the Dever's acquisition. 622 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: What do you think is there a shortstop you would 623 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: rather pick up then wait out a Damas? 624 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 3: I mean you listening Trevor's story there makes me think 625 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: that he is the best option on the wire. And 626 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: if that's the case, then yeah, you're just holding strong 627 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: with a Damas for now. There are, like you said, 628 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: so many shortstops, and there are guys who are pretty valuable, 629 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: even just like thinking my own neck of the woods, 630 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: Ernie Clement in Toronto has been really valuable but doesn't 631 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: really give you a ton of juice in terms of 632 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: the counting stats. It's more just like a decent batting 633 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: average you're getting out of him. You know, we mentioned 634 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: Xavier Edwards earlier. He's probably somebody you can get for 635 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: not too expensive right now. 636 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: I mean his earned dollar value. 637 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: To the season is in negatives at the moment, so 638 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: maybe somebody is willing to move off of him good 639 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: batting average. The speed should return, but I think at 640 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: the end of the day, you're probably just holding out 641 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: a damis and hoping for the best, considering what's on 642 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: the wire. 643 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah bad, says head to head points need two of 644 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: the three Spencer Strider versus Miami, Logan Web versus Cleveland, 645 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: Joe Ryan versus Milwaukee says I don't think it's lost 646 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: that they did it before a West coast trip. The 647 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: casual fan won't watch the games for ten days while 648 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: they're late, and they probably hope it will be less 649 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: noticed locally. I don't know what that means, but. 650 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: Streider webs probably in reference to the Devors trade. I 651 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: think he was probably throwing that in when we're. 652 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: Talking Oh okay, yeah, yeah, sorry, because it showed like 653 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: together yeah, and I thought it was Yeah. Those are 654 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: two different messages, so my bad. All right, So Strider 655 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Web Ryan kick one to the curb. 656 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: I guess I'm sit. I guess it's Joe Ryan, but 657 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: I don't. 658 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: I mean, and damn, these are all guys that you 659 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: should be starting. I feel like there's got to be 660 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: a worse option for the week. 661 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 5: No. 662 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: I mean, if these are your worst options, your staff 663 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: is and like absolutely loaded. 664 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: Ten team league. That's not unheard of or anything like that. 665 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: This is good because, like with the questions, we're probably 666 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: not going to get to what we were going to do. 667 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: But one of the questions was do you believe Spencer 668 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: Strider is back? Thirteen strikeout game, the Braves demolished the Rockies. 669 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: There were a combined weekend whiff rate of forty nine 670 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: whiffs from just starting pitchers between Grant Holmes and Spencer Strider. 671 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Stryder's villa was up his slider just clearly the Rockies 672 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: cannot hit sliders. So I guess the question in this is, like, 673 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: if Striider is you didn't even think twice about it. 674 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: Do you think Striider is back or do you think 675 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: that was more of the Rockies lifting him up. 676 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: I think it's probably a little bit of both, but 677 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 3: the fact that he gets the mar this week. I mean, 678 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: you have to you pretty much have to start him 679 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: There's it's such a feeble offense. 680 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: I feel like you got to start Logan Web too. 681 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: So that's why Joe Ryan does need to get kicked. 682 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Joe Ryan. I think Joe Ryan 683 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: is perennially perennially underrated, and he's one of the best 684 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: pitchers in baseball. But I think that just given how 685 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: well Web is pitched, and given the matchup for Strider 686 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: coming off of that game we saw, he's probably the 687 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 3: guy that has to go in there. Is Strider fully back, 688 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: I think it's we're probably most of the way there, 689 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: but I still worry a little bit about how he's 690 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: going to be able to maintain the velocity. If we're 691 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: able to see it maintained over three, four or five 692 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: starts and we start to mix in some slightly better 693 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 3: opponents as well, that will be a bit more of 694 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: a test for him. I just I don't know how 695 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: much to read into these offenses because we're talking about 696 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: some some pretty pretty terrible offenses in Colorado and Miami. 697 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: So even if he blows through Miami, I don't know 698 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: that I would necessarily say, yeah, he's back, so I 699 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: kind of want to give it a little more time. 700 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: So the well, the question kind of arises from, let's 701 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: assume because he's Spencer Strider and he struck out all 702 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: those rockies, his value just kind of went back to 703 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: Strider value, which is roughly like top ten sp Do 704 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: you think you're better set in a redraft? Would you 705 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: like to sell him at an let's say, a top 706 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: ten starting pitcher, or do you want to hold on 707 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: to him thinking there's more upside or he maintains and 708 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: he can't get no caveat to like, give me a 709 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: couple more starts like you got to choose today. 710 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: If that's the option, then I'd probably sell him. But 711 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: I actually have another piece of information that's going to 712 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: make this initial question a lot easier is that he 713 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: has been moved and he's now starting against the Mets. 714 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: It's not the mar it's not the Marlins anymore. So 715 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: does that meant to make it easier for you for 716 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: the weekly decision? 717 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: That would make him a set for me? 718 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 3: Just given how strong the other two options are with 719 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: their respective matchups, the Mets have been arguably the best 720 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: offense in baseball. I think that for this week that 721 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: makes Striders in a lot of cases. But going forward, 722 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 3: I think I'm still okay with him. I think he'll 723 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 3: be better, but if I can get a OP ten 724 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 3: SP value for him today, then I'd probably sell him. 725 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I kind of think I might be, like, I'm very 726 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: open and encouraged that the Strider could be back, but 727 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: in that same vein of like if someone was willing 728 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: to give you know, if they it's like hardcore SP 729 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: ten and they give me like an SP let's say 730 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: like eighteen or nineteen, and then like another decent hitter, 731 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: I might do it because I still have some general worries. 732 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: But this also exists from having to make that decision 733 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: now if the peak value is back and I'm getting 734 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: one for one, one hundred percent value on Strider because 735 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: I agree, I actually agree with what you're saying here too. 736 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: That moving that to the Mets, I think I might 737 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: be open to benching him as well, just because like, 738 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: we just don't know what that quite is. And Ryan 739 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: against Milwaukee's a solid matchup. Web is a solid matchup. 740 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: Strider could be old Strider, but he also would get 741 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: blown up, you know, it's all fastball slider. He's got 742 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: to get those whiffs on the slider to be good. 743 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: And I don't think the Mets are going to eat 744 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: slider like the Rockies did, so I think I might 745 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: sit him as well. And bed confirmed to ten team league. 746 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: He had Schwellenbach, Crochet, d Gram Bubchen RP. So like 747 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, ten team sp problem that he was 748 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: dealing with. 749 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: Hell of a rotation man, that is incredible. 750 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So that's a really good question. 751 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: Let's see other stuff in here. Our big Dance asked 752 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: are you starting Misrawski versus the Cubs in his next 753 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: start after no hitting through five. 754 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 3: No, I am not. The Cubs are one of the 755 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: best lineups in baseball. He walked four guys and that started. 756 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 3: It wasn't a perfect outing. I wouldn't risk it unless 757 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 3: it's a pretty deep league. 758 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if from hugging ratios and stuff like that, 759 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: I don't think I want I want to. He needs 760 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more before you're starting him against like 761 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: the big teams. So that's where I would stick with that. That, 762 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: my friends, I think is going to do it for us. 763 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: If you guys have more questions. Don't worry, we got 764 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: you covered. Wednesday on the YouTube YouTube dot com slash 765 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros m LB. Piece of p on Myself will 766 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: be live at four pm Eastern. 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Otani 784 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: pitching or seeing Devers at bat for the first time 785 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: as a Giant. 786 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't really care about Devers as a jot 787 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 3: I know you grew up a Giants fan, so I 788 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: know that that might be something that's kind of I 789 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 3: know you're a Diamondbacks guy. 790 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: Now. 791 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel about it, honestly, but 792 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: I'm more excited about Otani for sure. 793 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry Bonds was my favorite, but I grew up 794 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. My whole family were A's fans. 795 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: I was a Giants fan, but I moved to Arizona 796 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: before the Diamondbacks were a team, So I am a 797 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: literal lifelong Diamondbacks fan since they've been a team. But 798 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm pretty indifferent about it. 799 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: Though. 800 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: They have not had a great left handed hitter since 801 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: you know who, so it'll be pretty fun. But it 802 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: is clearly Otani. It is clearly Otani getting his first 803 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: first for I'm shocked that this is happening, by the 804 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: way that he is out here doing this. I expect 805 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: they're going to do a lot of these little openers 806 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, probably through the All Star Game, 807 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: i'd expect, and then it looks like they're going to 808 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: unleash him, which is good, do you think. Okay, last thing, 809 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: will we see a six inning game from sho heyo 810 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: Tani this season? 811 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, but it won't come until you know, September 812 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 3: October that include playoffs you're saying, or. 813 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: Just now regular season where we see him go six 814 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: innings in a game, like six innings eight plus strikeouts. 815 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: Will we see that this year? 816 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: I could see it, but I think it'll be a 817 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 3: little while. They're gonna slow play him like crazy. We're 818 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 3: gonna see very very minimal pitch counts until probably post 819 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 3: All Star break like you said, and then maybe they 820 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 3: take the reins off. I could see, like last couple 821 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 3: weeks of September, he just ever so slightly gets over 822 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: six innings, But I don't think we're gonna see it 823 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 3: a lot. 824 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna 825 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: like you said, I think it's gonna be very very 826 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: baby this process, and I think it might be slower 827 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: than we think. But sho hal Tani is back, Devers 828 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: is a giant. Everything is crazy, But glad you guys 829 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: are here to get through all of it with us. 830 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: For Joe Rico. I'm Chris Welsh. We'll talk to you 831 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: next time right here on Fantasy Pros MLB. For cleaning up, 832 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: We're out for now. 833 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: Peace. 834 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Baseball podcast. 835 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 5: If you love the show, the best freeway to support 836 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 5: us is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts 837 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 5: or Spotify. 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