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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Friscott. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and
Speaker 1: Bill Jones and Everson Walls here. Give me on the
Speaker 1: we're gonna work on that. We're gonna ficialive this day.
Speaker 1: Come on. I talked to Douglas Barraclough about that yesterday
Speaker 1: or the day before. Get on it, Doug, Yes, come on,
Speaker 1: Cubbies in the building. And we are here in the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios, and you know what, it's time
Speaker 1: to win some football games around here, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 1: Sounds like from everybody, uh, they're happy, meter it's past
Speaker 1: time to win. Time to win some football games. In fact,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was making the rounds this morning on local
Speaker 1: television and that's what he was saying, win some football games.
Speaker 1: And he's not encouraged that they're gonna win some football games.
Speaker 1: And it starts tomorrow at three thirty at AT and
Speaker 1: T Stadium against the Buffalo Bills. Well, you know it's
Speaker 1: postgame comments kind of scared the children a little bit,
Speaker 1: so he wanted to make sure they have nightmares when
Speaker 1: they went to bed at night. So they wanted to
Speaker 1: ease things a little bit. Let everybody know, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: not going to panic here. We're not in panic mode.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to scold the kids a little bit.
Speaker 1: So now we're back on track, we're back to the
Speaker 1: optimism that is Jerry Jones exactly. You know, I thought,
Speaker 1: even when the schedule came out and before they got
Speaker 1: to this point in the season with this record, I thought,
Speaker 1: with these three away games in four starting with Detroit,
Speaker 1: that for them to kind of come out on the
Speaker 1: back end of that, well, that they needed to win
Speaker 1: three of the four. And I still think that's got
Speaker 1: to be the goal. Got to win three of these four,
Speaker 1: and you've lost the one. So now it's time, as
Speaker 1: you said, to start winning. And the game that you
Speaker 1: thought they would lose those four would be the trip
Speaker 1: to New England. That's right, probably, that's exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And who knew, and at beginning of the season, who
Speaker 1: knew what the Patriots were going to be. You just
Speaker 1: knew going to New England it was going to be
Speaker 1: a tough road and playing back to back road games
Speaker 1: like that. But you didn't you didn't factor in the weather. Yeah,
Speaker 1: being being such a such a problem that you can't
Speaker 1: even judge where you are right now. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's we keep falling back on weather and you know what,
Speaker 1: what are we right now? To me, New England was
Speaker 1: just like a pause. It didn't prove us anything. It
Speaker 1: didn't show us anything. We didn't show them anything. You know,
Speaker 1: it was what it was. It's what we figured what happened.
Speaker 1: But we wanted to be in in ideal conditions what
Speaker 1: we could say, Okay, well the offense is bad. You
Speaker 1: can't really we couldn't really judge that just based on
Speaker 1: the conditions that we were we were looking at I
Speaker 1: mean it was kind of an even Stephen game if
Speaker 1: you if you kind of looked at it. I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't do much offensively. The Cowboys helped them, uh
Speaker 1: to at least ten points. So yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: you just gotta you gotta go forward. And these these
Speaker 1: next couple of games, you sound like you've been hanging
Speaker 1: with Gotta go forward watch, right, that's the tagline. You
Speaker 1: sound like the Republicans demand. I was gonna say we
Speaker 1: need to be great again. You know. Wow, wow, man,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say I need
Speaker 1: to be great today. All right, no mistakes. Back to football,
Speaker 1: I would say this, Yeah, it was. It was a
Speaker 1: close lot. It shows you the expectations of this team.
Speaker 1: You lose by four points at New England and you
Speaker 1: know this this thing is it's controversy around here because
Speaker 1: they've lost now to what is it, four teams with
Speaker 1: winning records. They're oh and four in those situations, and
Speaker 1: it's just like the Minnesota game though, where you feel
Speaker 1: like late in the game you had a chance to
Speaker 1: win it, Questions about the special teams, questions about the
Speaker 1: plate calling, and then Jerry comes out and voices frustration.
Speaker 1: And that's that's where we are. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if you take a big picture look at it. Look,
Speaker 1: they're where they They're right where they could be in
Speaker 1: terms of trying to win the division. Everything's still in
Speaker 1: front of them. But they feel like there's missed opportunities.
Speaker 1: And you still feel and the players say it too,
Speaker 1: they don't feel like they've played their best football yet.
Speaker 1: And so there is a Jason Winnen say yesterday, we're
Speaker 1: all frustrated. You know, he said, Jerry's right to feel
Speaker 1: that way, and it involves the players too. We got
Speaker 1: to execute better. So there's good stuff, but I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody feels like this team's where they need to
Speaker 1: be right now, as they got so much hype. There
Speaker 1: was so much hype in the offseason. Everybody just a
Speaker 1: championship game or bust. Were still there no matter how
Speaker 1: much we're screwing up right now, all this talent we have.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, guys, if you get
Speaker 1: a good defensive back on a good wide receiver, I
Speaker 1: don't care how much talent you have. If I'm a
Speaker 1: good defensive back, You're gonna have some problems. I don't
Speaker 1: have to be Everson Walls or Mike Haynes or Lester Hayes.
Speaker 1: I could just be a good, solid defensive back, and
Speaker 1: I could. I could. I could upset your entire game plan.
Speaker 1: So let's let's just be real about how we've got
Speaker 1: so much talent. Nobody else can compare. Obviously they can,
Speaker 1: so we need to realize that this season, every season,
Speaker 1: every game. This gotta come from the heart. Guys. Let's
Speaker 1: just be real. We can't go out there outthink anybody,
Speaker 1: we gotta go out there and outfight them. And I
Speaker 1: thought the Patriots game brain or shine. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see them out fight. Okay, whether we want or not,
Speaker 1: we talked about before the game, all we want to
Speaker 1: see was fight in the game. We want to see effort.
Speaker 1: We were hoping to see better coaching. We were hoping
Speaker 1: to see few of mistakes. But I wanted to see
Speaker 1: what kind of heart they had as they went up
Speaker 1: to New England. All you're gonna be afraid. All you're
Speaker 1: gonna choke under the pressure, whether it's rain, whether it's defense,
Speaker 1: whether it's Brady or Belichick. How are you going to respond?
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to see, you know? And the
Speaker 1: defense responded. I mean, well, I guess both defenses responded
Speaker 1: the Yeah, they had a little help, right and we
Speaker 1: tripped them. So come on right, oh don't get me
Speaker 1: started to go. And so starting tomorrow now they need
Speaker 1: to show that fight. You know. That's one thing that's
Speaker 1: that in the last few years, there has there's always
Speaker 1: been a crisis point in a season, and this team
Speaker 1: has responded in the regular season three out of the
Speaker 1: last five years to come back and win a division.
Speaker 1: But I straight last year seven seven and one downtown
Speaker 1: to try. The Indianapolis game was the one the middle
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, but and and there was definitely a
Speaker 1: crisis going on at that point after the Tennessee game
Speaker 1: last year, and they responded okay, even a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, the horrible November that they had when Zeke
Speaker 1: was going through his suspension. And I remember interviewing Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott right after the Thanksgiving game, and I was I
Speaker 1: was taken aback by how confident he was after those
Speaker 1: three straight games in which they could do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: Three games and single digits. It was. It was horrible.
Speaker 1: I was like, how in the world can you be
Speaker 1: confident about the future. But Dak and I came out
Speaker 1: of that one. They actually got a chance to get
Speaker 1: back in this thing, and they did, you know. And
Speaker 1: it came right down to the Seattle game before Christmas.
Speaker 1: Uh and the year before that they won the division.
Speaker 1: So three out of the last five years they won
Speaker 1: the division when they've been into crisis point in the season.
Speaker 1: And now we're going to if for the first time
Speaker 1: since two thousand and four, there will be a repeat
Speaker 1: champion of the NFC East It will depend on how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys respond, you know, And the Cowboys have the
Speaker 1: chance to be a repeat winner and be the first
Speaker 1: time since the Eagles back in two thousand and four
Speaker 1: that we've had a repeat winner in the NFC's see.
Speaker 1: And that that's why this is kind of a weird situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys look at it, as
Speaker 1: I might be off base here, you probably are. Is
Speaker 1: everybody mad because they're not they're not very good and
Speaker 1: they're six and five? Or is everybody mad is they're
Speaker 1: too good to Yeah, it's the expectations for this time.
Speaker 1: The talent is better than six and five. Wow, if
Speaker 1: they were seven and four right now, I had they
Speaker 1: won that game against the Jets, And I hate to
Speaker 1: keep bringing it up, but Jerry brought it up, by
Speaker 1: the way, you know, the one loss that uh well,
Speaker 1: we really had no chance even in the end, right
Speaker 1: is that? What is that? I mean one that the Jets? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even Packers was bad. We came out bad,
Speaker 1: but we still had a chance. But the Jets that
Speaker 1: was the that was that was definitely our local, especially
Speaker 1: looking at what their record was and then what they
Speaker 1: did the next week and the next week and uh,
Speaker 1: and you got to make up for that loss, and
Speaker 1: the chance to make up for it was New England.
Speaker 1: You didn't get it done. Now what's the next chance
Speaker 1: to make up for it? Probably have to beat the Rams.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody thought the beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: well that's a loss. I guarantee you whoever filled out
Speaker 1: those schedules, they got to the RAMS and checked an
Speaker 1: ELL there. Now it's not an l. They're the same
Speaker 1: as you are, and they're worse. Yeah, that worse ms. Oh,
Speaker 1: that deal Monday night was just unbelievable. So in other words,
Speaker 1: it's the bills. Yeah, you gotta beat the bills. That's it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the approach was in the previous
Speaker 1: years where they made this streak. You know, of course
Speaker 1: there's confidence and all that, but you have to make
Speaker 1: up analytical change and whatever you're doing. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what they've done in the past to make that happen,
Speaker 1: but they they've better repeat it this year. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about the bill schedule and ever
Speaker 1: since you pointed out that, you know, they haven't played
Speaker 1: a tough schedule on paper at all. You look at
Speaker 1: their personnel, though, it's a good team, and that's the
Speaker 1: team with a lot of motivation. Because I just went
Speaker 1: back and look at their past record history, I think
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity for them to make the playoffs
Speaker 1: to the last three years. You go back beyond that,
Speaker 1: like twenty years. Hey, you know they're trying. Phillips. I
Speaker 1: was looking at this last night. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: it up. Since Wade Phillips coached the Buffalo Bills nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, they made the playoffs, and I think that
Speaker 1: was the game in Tennessee, the playoff game Music Music
Speaker 1: City Miracle where they lost. Okay, since nineteen ninety nine, nine, okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: but prior to that eighty eight to ninety nine, which
Speaker 1: included four straight Super Bowl losses, could get you're very
Speaker 1: familiar with Everson. They had nine out of twelve seasons
Speaker 1: in which they had ten or more wins. Since nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, the Buffalo Bills franchise has had three seasons
Speaker 1: that they have had a winning record, and in those
Speaker 1: three seasons their record has been nine and seven. Three
Speaker 1: years in basically twenty years that they've had a winning record,
Speaker 1: and they've won nine games in those three years and
Speaker 1: oh four in twenty fourteen and twenty seventeen, and here
Speaker 1: they're looking at if they can win tomorrow it's their
Speaker 1: ninth win of the year. That looks like a mix
Speaker 1: shot for today. Welcome, thank you. I don't mind stealing.
Speaker 1: But how about that? Yeah, search Bill Marv Levy, Where
Speaker 1: have you gone? How many coaches have they been? Have
Speaker 1: they gone through since since marveling Wade have like two
Speaker 1: winning seasons out of the three he was there, and
Speaker 1: they fired him, and they fired him. Careful what you
Speaker 1: ask for, right, and so the coaches that they've had
Speaker 1: since then have included I was going to be my
Speaker 1: next question. Okay, I just went back over the last
Speaker 1: ten years, starting with Jan Gaily in twenty ten, and
Speaker 1: then it was Doug Morone and then Rex Ryan and
Speaker 1: now Sean McDermot. He's doing a good job with him.
Speaker 1: But you go back to the previous decade, Dick Geron
Speaker 1: was one. I'm trying to remember. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard to remember. So you're saying after Wade, yeah,
Speaker 1: after Wade, Yeah, it gets Ryan. Ryan always brought Dennis
Speaker 1: Thurman with him everyway. When when he coached back then
Speaker 1: because it was the Jets first. Then he went to Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Both of them were failed campaigns. But having just seeing
Speaker 1: Dennis Thurman on the sidelines of Thurman stieves I was
Speaker 1: always good to see him. Yeah, But but really with
Speaker 1: Buffalo since right before Rex was there, for two years,
Speaker 1: they've been hovering around five hundred. It's like they haven't
Speaker 1: been two and fourteen to get the top pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. Now now they were. You know, they're always
Speaker 1: right around. But they're very remarkable. They were always very unremarkable.
Speaker 1: Defensively they were okay. Offensively they weren't and that was
Speaker 1: always the problem offensively. All right. One of the note
Speaker 1: before we take a break, Darren Woodson is a semifinalist
Speaker 1: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame for the fourth time.
Speaker 1: That was announced yesterday. I think it's three times in
Speaker 1: the last four years time he's been semifinals, Top twenty five,
Speaker 1: top twenty five. And it's a twenty man class this year,
Speaker 1: so maybe there's a more opopportunity. I think it's five
Speaker 1: modern ary guys get Yeah, I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: is that more than usual? No, that's about it's about
Speaker 1: so it's not. It's all about those senior guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get us out of the way before
Speaker 1: we start dying off. You know, that's all it is,
Speaker 1: because I think ten of those are going to get in. Seniors.
Speaker 1: You're talking about guys played back in the fucking thirties, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I want they're still alive. It's like they're
Speaker 1: playing catch up, right, Yeah, Okay, they're catching up with
Speaker 1: the with the grandkids. The grandkids. Hold now all the
Speaker 1: seniors they're trying to put in. We got to get
Speaker 1: Everson in there, Yes, we do right, walk up there,
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Speaker 1: better bou okay, better be better. But I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that Baylor's I tell you what, Baylor's got a
Speaker 1: really good coach. That is a great story. That's just
Speaker 1: an amazing story. You talk about mister Art, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of crapping on the whole program. And you
Speaker 1: know this guy comes in. I thought they would be
Speaker 1: years I mean years before they came back. I mean
Speaker 1: it could have been. I just think that is such
Speaker 1: a great story. Matt Matt Rule came close to being
Speaker 1: the head coach of the New York Jets, had a
Speaker 1: very good chance of getting that last year and he uh.
Speaker 1: And you talk about Lincoln Riley being on the radar
Speaker 1: of NFL teams, I'm thinking Matt Rule ought to be
Speaker 1: right there at the head of the class. Coaches though
Speaker 1: that are in college, they're just better for college. I
Speaker 1: don't mean they're better fit for college. That college is
Speaker 1: better off having them having those type of coaches. He
Speaker 1: seems like one of those type of coaches. See, I
Speaker 1: think Lincoln Riley is that too. I think one of
Speaker 1: the one of his strengths is his recruiting, and so
Speaker 1: everyone talks about him being in NFL coach and so forth,
Speaker 1: and he has not. And one of the things you
Speaker 1: look at on that is all right. It worked with
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, a young coach in the NFL. Well, John
Speaker 1: McVeigh basically as Tom Brady said, he came out of
Speaker 1: the womb hating the Cowboys. Well, Sean McVay came out
Speaker 1: of the womb preparing to be a National Football League coach.
Speaker 1: His grandfather, of course, was a coach in the NFL,
Speaker 1: one of the architects of the forty nine ers. Though
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh gets all the credit. But Lincoln Riley he's
Speaker 1: never basically set foot on an NFL campus. He's been
Speaker 1: He's come out of the womb training to be a
Speaker 1: college head. To me, I mean, I know I'm going back,
Speaker 1: but it's like Eddie Robinson. They touted him for the
Speaker 1: Rams job years ago, right after I left out the
Speaker 1: things on the in the mid eighties, and it just
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a good fit. Yea. He has made
Speaker 1: for college coach. Lincoln was great recruiting. There's a reason
Speaker 1: that they're getting such good recruiting classes. He and he
Speaker 1: really has a passion for recruiting too. All right, these
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, can I ask questions that you were on
Speaker 1: that had dawned on me today and maybe you guys
Speaker 1: know the answer. When when's the last time a highly
Speaker 1: successful college coach who still had a job left that
Speaker 1: to come to the NFL to be a head coach?
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, Well, I mean you might be right, Jim
Speaker 1: think about it. Was Hardball successful? Yeah, made to Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, answered luck and he was winning
Speaker 1: ten eleven games stah, okay, yeah, Pete Carroll did pretty good.
Speaker 1: And well Pete Carroll was an NFL guy before Harball.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, John Harball, Mr John Harball. Yeah, so how
Speaker 1: did you do? Got to Super Bowl? Yeah? He was
Speaker 1: okay that one year? Yeah, that one though. But what's
Speaker 1: happened these college quarterbacks? I mean, who was this boy man?
Speaker 1: Alex Smith? The successful college coaches aren't leaving their jobs
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. There's a bunch of them
Speaker 1: who have who have not been successful. And Chip Kelly
Speaker 1: once again doesn't have UCLA in a bowl game. He's
Speaker 1: back now in the college rings. There's something to be
Speaker 1: said for earning a state pension because you're big money
Speaker 1: down there too. Right, college coaches are getting paid like
Speaker 1: you don't have to lead to get a better paycheck. Hey,
Speaker 1: so let's just say, with players about to get paid
Speaker 1: now without cut into the coaches, that's why they don't
Speaker 1: want the kids to get paid. I'm wondering how that's
Speaker 1: going to and that is that is the money factor
Speaker 1: is a huge deal. When you're talking about college coaches
Speaker 1: leaving a top ten type program and this job security
Speaker 1: that you have, they're compared to this, Well, you've got
Speaker 1: four different potential sources of income gear, TV show, radio show,
Speaker 1: and you're coaching salary alone. That's a good point, but
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just you know, Saban did it though, he's
Speaker 1: it's that brass ring. You know, you want to try
Speaker 1: and see just how good you are. But when you
Speaker 1: get there, you don't get to pick every player you
Speaker 1: want because you're one of the top programs in the country.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to rely on the draft. You gotta
Speaker 1: rely on free agent is hoping to come to you.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit do you have to take all
Speaker 1: this from your GM? There you go? Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: what Saban would have been like if he had stayed,
Speaker 1: whether it's at the Dolphins or another NFL job, what
Speaker 1: kind of success he would have had over the last
Speaker 1: twelve years. Approach and knocked it out that I love Nick,
Speaker 1: but I don't know he he doesn't do well with pros.
Speaker 1: You know, you can talk to college kids like that,
Speaker 1: but when it comes to the pros, it's a totally
Speaker 1: different thing. Yeah, all right, these Buffalo Bills, Everson. In
Speaker 1: the first segment, you talked about a defensive back and
Speaker 1: shut down a team. Well, the Bills got a pretty
Speaker 1: good defensive back, a corner or their first round draft
Speaker 1: pick from twenty seventeen, tra Debs White, who has four
Speaker 1: picks on the season. That's one of the strengths of
Speaker 1: that team, and that defense is pretty strong. They'll use
Speaker 1: him too to fall around the best team's other team's
Speaker 1: best receiver too. We saw that last week with Stephane Gilmore.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to do that against
Speaker 1: the Maury Cooper, but that's how much confidence they have
Speaker 1: house Cooper feeling seems like he's doing okay, right, He's
Speaker 1: he took part in yesterday's practice. Yeah, but they really
Speaker 1: haven't practiced hard this week he was he was full
Speaker 1: participate last week. He did have fifty two snaps in
Speaker 1: the game last week, which is a little bit less
Speaker 1: than what he is accustomed to. I wonder if they're
Speaker 1: trying to manage him a little bit, not as much
Speaker 1: as they did the week before against Detroit. But I
Speaker 1: think one of the things they did with him to
Speaker 1: manage that knee is when they knew they were going
Speaker 1: to load up and run the ball, they didn't have
Speaker 1: him out of course. Yeah, yeah, And that that really
Speaker 1: it kind of contributed to a little negative commentary on
Speaker 1: Coop because everybody's thinking, you know, because he's over there
Speaker 1: waiting to get back in the game, and he looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to get back in the game,
Speaker 1: but he's really just over there waiting for the coaches
Speaker 1: to call him back in. He's over there soaking, and
Speaker 1: it just looked bad. So everybody was thinking soaking or sulking,
Speaker 1: interesting both, and that's what it looked like. It looked
Speaker 1: like he was soaking while soaking. But it was just
Speaker 1: you know, when you're out there soaking, then yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna souk. That's it comes along with it. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: got to look the same way on the side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he was out the same we all looked like
Speaker 1: with soaking as with soaking. But he I think it's
Speaker 1: I was still worried at that time if the effectiveness
Speaker 1: by Gilmore was was was contributed by the injuries that
Speaker 1: the mari he had just not being full strength, and
Speaker 1: so I was hoping they just wouldn't even practice him
Speaker 1: this week. But somebody that the story that affected him
Speaker 1: as playing on the road, that he doesn't play well
Speaker 1: on the road, and I'm going okay, one road game
Speaker 1: in a in a downpour. He played three games on
Speaker 1: the road against the Jets. Three plays in that game
Speaker 1: and came out. So they were comparing his road catches
Speaker 1: to his home catches and it's like he just doesn't
Speaker 1: go on the road. I said, oh, it doesn't travel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at that. I'm sure that who are you playing too, right,
Speaker 1: Who's the you're going up against in some of those games?
Speaker 1: And and the one game on the road, um Saints. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Saints. They didn't do anything off nobody. And then
Speaker 1: there was another road game where they were kind of
Speaker 1: controlling his snaps. He didn't want to overdo it, and
Speaker 1: I still think that's kind of what's been going on
Speaker 1: with him. But having said that, you know, okay, he
Speaker 1: got shut out right, Well, he had two catches called
Speaker 1: back by penalties and they were significant catches. And then
Speaker 1: you can argue about the big one that the fifty
Speaker 1: yard line at the end of the game. Did he
Speaker 1: have it, did the ground cause it to move or
Speaker 1: did it were his hands underneath the ball and then
Speaker 1: it popped up? So I was I was riding home.
Speaker 1: You know, I hate listening to sports talk radio. I
Speaker 1: can't believe in one of you guys now music music
Speaker 1: with you way after after games. Music I just happened
Speaker 1: to you know you is he getting the call? You're thinking,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you hear somebody say
Speaker 1: something stupid. They tried to call it the drop. Oh no,
Speaker 1: the the guy called it a drop the fourth down
Speaker 1: down in completion. It was considered, like the narrative is
Speaker 1: already you know, printed in stone. It was a drop,
Speaker 1: you know, like we alreaydn't know this. It's a drop.
Speaker 1: And so that's just, you know, that's so much I
Speaker 1: am with you. There's an old there's a proverb about
Speaker 1: that when you don't hear wisdom and get away from them,
Speaker 1: all right, how about this, because it's interesting. I haven't
Speaker 1: looked at the home and road splits for Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: this season because I just hear the narrative out there.
Speaker 1: I hear it asked by reporters in press conferences or
Speaker 1: in the locker room or whatever, and I just just said, Okay,
Speaker 1: they must be know what they're talking about, all right.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting here looking at his game by
Speaker 1: games this season, okay, And these are his road games.
Speaker 1: At Washington, he had four catches for forty four yards
Speaker 1: on a touchdown. Okay, it's not huge, but got a
Speaker 1: touchdown four and they won the game thirty one one.
Speaker 1: No problem on offense. Okay. Next road game was at
Speaker 1: New Orleans, which was a twelve ten game. He hit
Speaker 1: five catches for forty eight yards, which isn't big numbers
Speaker 1: at all, but okay, that was typical of the offense period, right,
Speaker 1: That's the way that game win the Jets. As Mickey mentioned,
Speaker 1: he was in for three plays in that game. He
Speaker 1: had one catch for three yards, which is pretty good
Speaker 1: right there. If he was in for sixty plays, sixty
Speaker 1: catches at the Giants. Okay, at the Giants only four catches,
Speaker 1: but eighty yards and a touchdown, which can catch twenty
Speaker 1: yards a catch, Yeah, twenty yards a catch. And then
Speaker 1: at Detroit three for thirty eight we wouldn't. Okay. So
Speaker 1: he's got of his touchdowns this season, three of them
Speaker 1: have coming road games. I mean, I think he's dealing
Speaker 1: with some stuff right now. It's started since training camp.
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of little lower legs stuff, and
Speaker 1: this is a tough stretch for him. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna nobody's gonna enjoy that ten day break after the
Speaker 1: Chicago game more than is just they just got to
Speaker 1: get him through to the Chicago. Yeah, the different the
Speaker 1: differences on the home games. He's had four one hundred
Speaker 1: yard games, and so people look at that and say, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a huge difference between home and road. Point, it's
Speaker 1: always a difference between home and road, whether it's a
Speaker 1: team situation, the individual situation. Who everyone plays better at home,
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. And the timing itself,
Speaker 1: you know, the timing slf with the injuries and all
Speaker 1: of that, and you know, sometimes the offensive I put
Speaker 1: can be a little shady. So he's just a bit.
Speaker 1: Can you watch when he gets nine catches for one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns tomorrow? How come
Speaker 1: you play so much better? It'll it'll increase in there.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, all right? What else concerns you about
Speaker 1: this Buffalo team? How are the special teams? The returners
Speaker 1: are good? Good? Yeah? Um Andre Roberts, yes, out of
Speaker 1: the Citadel saw him last week? Yes, he did well
Speaker 1: last week. I saw that what you're looking up, mec
Speaker 1: I was looking up the return yards and yet to
Speaker 1: be a little quicker than that. It might be they
Speaker 1: might show up the Minnesota game, might show up the preseason.
Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm saying what they did in the presets
Speaker 1: they do in August. Yeah, since you're reading out a SATs,
Speaker 1: I see this is about Okay, Micky's looking at his
Speaker 1: analytics there and it's not happening quick enough. That's why
Speaker 1: you can't be listening to the analytics guy and your headset,
Speaker 1: Vicky right during the game their stats. I saw on
Speaker 1: Twitter last night. I saw just your face, Mick, and
Speaker 1: they said the most most knowledgeable person of the Dallas Cowboys. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I you know what I did say,
Speaker 1: why did you? Did you know what I did this morning?
Speaker 1: Get back at him? Douglas and I were clown clowning around,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, okay, stone Age, I said, when
Speaker 1: we start the show today, I'm gonna have the theme
Speaker 1: song from the flint Stone owns. Did you crack them? Good?
Speaker 1: Crack them? Especially when the yaba daba dude, stone Age.
Speaker 1: I was a little worried that it would go right
Speaker 1: over their heads, like they didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, the theme song from one the opening of
Speaker 1: the Stones. No, I thought you, I thought you said
Speaker 1: flint Stones at first stone the Stone. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: The Bills on defense, strong tackling team. They got good linebackers.
Speaker 1: Um Jordan Phillips is a problem to get sooner has
Speaker 1: seven sacks from an interior defensive line. He is a monster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one knew that. Yeah yeah, different type of defensive
Speaker 1: tackle than the Cowboys deploy, but it's he's he's productive.
Speaker 1: And I saw a stat where the Bills lead the
Speaker 1: league in negative plays defensively well, tackles for losses and sacks.
Speaker 1: They actually have one more than San Francisco. So run
Speaker 1: games gotta be sharp, gotta protect DAK and minus plays
Speaker 1: and plus you know, penalties, pre snap penalties have really
Speaker 1: affected this offense, especially earlier in the game. You gotta
Speaker 1: know if they're if they're all these out yards negative
Speaker 1: yards for plays, then you're talking about an aggressive front
Speaker 1: line front seven. Possibly. Yeah. George Jellis has been like
Speaker 1: that even college. He's a penetrator. Even at six six,
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty one pounds is what he's listed at.
Speaker 1: He's a load. He's got ten tackles for loss now
Speaker 1: and at Oliver their first round draft pick Houstons. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Phillips is six six three forty one, Oliver is
Speaker 1: six one two eighty seven. Yeah, he's he's like at
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald tip. Yeah. So they got two long kick
Speaker 1: returns sixty six yards by Robertson Hyde forty five yards
Speaker 1: and their average So that'll help your average because you
Speaker 1: don't have that many kickoff return back special averaging twenty
Speaker 1: nine point two. He found the found took five minutes.
Speaker 1: We ran through the entire normal Normally, when they do stats,
Speaker 1: all the offensive stats are on the front page. Now
Speaker 1: this one's on specicky. How did they do on special
Speaker 1: teams in that big win over the Vikings for a touchdown?
Speaker 1: Which one was that? How that return? Guys now at
Speaker 1: home depot, how do you do in that game? Now?
Speaker 1: But what you see is, now, have you got that
Speaker 1: aggressive front line? You gotta look for screens. We have
Speaker 1: to have a screen game on. Yeah, we've gotten who's
Speaker 1: going up against Foster? Who's the matchup with Foster on
Speaker 1: the old line? Um, that's a good question. He's inside interior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it would be Foster. We're looking at the d
Speaker 1: lineman for Buffalo, and I'm asking the matchup that, Oh Phillips,
Speaker 1: who's gonna match up with Foster the defensive lineman for Buffalo? Offensively,
Speaker 1: who goes against Foster on our offensive line? Okay, Jordan Phillips,
Speaker 1: you mean the guy I was talking about? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought Foster was Buffalo. Jordan Phillips. He's a Travis who's
Speaker 1: ever right side, right, So that's what that pressure comes
Speaker 1: from up the middle. Jack Martin fort Williams. Yeah, starting
Speaker 1: low to Lelee has two sacks the last two games.
Speaker 1: And Oliver, by the way, two of his three sacks
Speaker 1: have come in the last two games. So who was
Speaker 1: that against Miami? Was one on there? Like five six
Speaker 1: sacks against Miami and then Denver. We don't count. I
Speaker 1: was then we don't count that right, that's right. And
Speaker 1: so all of these stats were thrown at you. They
Speaker 1: don't matter because the Bills have not beaten the team
Speaker 1: with a winning record this season. Right season, No, no,
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Speaker 1: and we should point out the Buffalo Bill's coaches during
Speaker 1: last decade after Wade Phillips, they were Greg Williams, Mike Mularkey,
Speaker 1: Dick Geron, and then into this decade it was Chan Gaily,
Speaker 1: it was Rex Ryan, it was Doug Marrone, Anthony Lynn
Speaker 1: was actually an interim head coach for one game. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's now the Los Angeles Chargers head coach out of
Speaker 1: Texas Tech University, Salina, Texas. So was it the last
Speaker 1: game of the season. I think I think that was
Speaker 1: the game that Tyrod Taylor, as you were pointing out,
Speaker 1: may have been In the break, you pointed out that
Speaker 1: Tyrod was benched in favor of Peter Nathan. PETERMSS who
Speaker 1: may be at home depot now are actually on the
Speaker 1: practice squad for the He's on I R for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like he still could be at home depot
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, that's his other guy. Okay, it's the
Speaker 1: return of Cole Beasley. Yes, about the return of Cole Beasley. Good,
Speaker 1: that's a nice match up with Joan Lewis. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I would think, I mean Cole Beasley. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: snap counts and they apparently go a lot three three
Speaker 1: receiver sets. Buffalo does, yep, a lot. Was he like
Speaker 1: sixty some percent? Six? Oh? Well, he's uh the last
Speaker 1: couple of games. I looked at snap counts the last
Speaker 1: couple of games, and he had sixty four snaps and
Speaker 1: John Brown had seventy snaps sixty five last week and
Speaker 1: John Brown seventy four, So they're leading snap count guys.
Speaker 1: A wide receiver. Well a minute there. He had a
Speaker 1: nice little streak going, I think, but made three straight games.
Speaker 1: What a touchdown? Yeah, and he had one last week too,
Speaker 1: last week too, and a lot like here. I mean
Speaker 1: he's a guy they looked to on third down to
Speaker 1: move the chains. You know, he's got underneath guy, very reliable.
Speaker 1: Sixty eight and a half percent of the snaps. There
Speaker 1: you go, well quickly, uh, Cobb or hot sauce. You
Speaker 1: know what? Cobb didn't cost twenty nine million dollars and
Speaker 1: that's what his I think his four year deal was
Speaker 1: twenty nine million. Cobbs cost him five million for one
Speaker 1: year contract A side, yeah, just performance contractor side. I've
Speaker 1: always been a Randall Cobb guy. Nothing against Colby's nothing.
Speaker 1: He's a different type of slot receiver because the run
Speaker 1: after catch is I think what makes him different. It's
Speaker 1: not a co you know, the little ten yard out
Speaker 1: and okay, fine, I got ten right now. Beasley, he's
Speaker 1: gotten downfield and he was for Buffalo just a little
Speaker 1: bit as well. That's why I'm wondering if they're used
Speaker 1: him outside a little bit too. When I watched he
Speaker 1: was mostly in the slot. But but in terms of
Speaker 1: yards per catch, mic Cobb is second among all Cowboys
Speaker 1: skill players this year I think two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: yards after catch, behind only Zeke, which you kind of
Speaker 1: expect that given the types of route Zeek runs. So
Speaker 1: that's probably a little bit of a different dimension. But
Speaker 1: I think Cole was a big loss that they had
Speaker 1: to replace and and Cob has been able to do
Speaker 1: that because Cole, I think I looked it up. He
Speaker 1: was their top third down guy last year for Dak,
Speaker 1: and Cobb is this year as well. So that's a
Speaker 1: guy that Dak looks to and it's the whole quarterback
Speaker 1: friendly thing. He's very quarterback friendly. I mean, he's had
Speaker 1: some drops this year, but I think overall there, you know,
Speaker 1: he's been what they expected somebody, and replacing him with
Speaker 1: Cobb we were extremely pretty good front off the street right.
Speaker 1: Addie probably leads the league in touchdowns called back by penalty.
Speaker 1: He has four. Yep. The Bills have small wide receivers,
Speaker 1: but basic least five eight one seventy four. John Brown's
Speaker 1: five eleven one seventy eight and their third receiver Isaiah
Speaker 1: McKenzie five eight, one seventy three, no back door phase right,
Speaker 1: no back shows well. But keep an eye out for
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox, their tight end who is six four, two
Speaker 1: fifty four. He moves like a wide receiver, third round
Speaker 1: draft pick out of Old Miss. I gotta say we
Speaker 1: have had problems with our interior man to man coverage.
Speaker 1: Linebackers have not been doing a good job at that
Speaker 1: as far as matchups are concerning, I mean in critical situations,
Speaker 1: red zone things of that nature. We always look at
Speaker 1: overall stats, but my thing is there are certain times
Speaker 1: in the game where you gotta make a stop and
Speaker 1: that's when the tight ends and the linebackers really having
Speaker 1: taken control of the running backs and the tight ends
Speaker 1: and coverage in the red zone. And Josh Allen, the
Speaker 1: quarterback we've talked about earlier in the week, Robs pointed
Speaker 1: out his running ability and he's got a touchdown run,
Speaker 1: and um, well, he's on the season. He's got seven
Speaker 1: touchdown runs and it's seven of eleven games. He's got
Speaker 1: to rush over ten yards and they use him in
Speaker 1: some of his own read stuff. How big is he guys,
Speaker 1: he is six five, two hundred and thirty seven pounds sling.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like Driscoll. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: my pick the click. If I gotta pick one, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be Sean Lee because I think and the linebackers
Speaker 1: because they got to be aware of him. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about and Devin Singletary's an impressive young running back for them,
Speaker 1: big powerful back, got good vision um. Tackling is gonna
Speaker 1: come at a premium ever since they're gonna come at
Speaker 1: us with would they like the third in the league
Speaker 1: and or fifth in the league. And rushing they're they're
Speaker 1: pretty high in in in the rankings. They are fifth
Speaker 1: in the league and rushing pretty good on my part,
Speaker 1: So you know what they're gonna do. They're gonna come
Speaker 1: at They're gonna make this a boring. They're averaging one
Speaker 1: hundred thirty nine yards a game rushing, and a lot
Speaker 1: of that has to do with what Alan does you
Speaker 1: know in Singletary's averaging five point eight to carry, So yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna run. Now. What surprised me is everybody is
Speaker 1: talking about the year Frank Gore's having. Right, Well, he's
Speaker 1: rushed for five hundred and forty one yards. I think
Speaker 1: that's based Morlan. It's just amazing that in your league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still has five hundred something. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. But
Speaker 1: that's a whole different thing. Right, he's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: So so you better watch the running game because that's
Speaker 1: what's now. They're going to control the tempo of this
Speaker 1: game with their running game. That's how they're gonna come out.
Speaker 1: You want to keep Dak Prescott in this offense off
Speaker 1: the field, right, that's the way the coach is going
Speaker 1: to proke this game, especially when the Cowboys are at home, right,
Speaker 1: especially at home and it's going to be raining outside.
Speaker 1: But there's a roof here in twenty nineteen, so they
Speaker 1: want to mention that, mate, because there wasn't a roof
Speaker 1: last week. It does matter to those who are coming
Speaker 1: to town and aren't aware of what the weather situation
Speaker 1: is going to be tomorrow and it's projected like rain
Speaker 1: all day, all day, all day time. To make our picks,
Speaker 1: you got Sean Lee as your pick to click. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going defensively as well. I have to
Speaker 1: go with Malik Woods when I saw how effective he
Speaker 1: could be Collins. I'm sorry Collins. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods is out with the injury, but Malikie Collins
Speaker 1: showed me what he could, how effective he can be
Speaker 1: the way he played last week, and we're gonna need
Speaker 1: him to clog up that metal because when those offensive
Speaker 1: lineman start getting out on our linebackers, first of all,
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman's already beat there, past him, the linebackers
Speaker 1: already shut off. That's how you get the crease you
Speaker 1: talked about Lombardi talking about seal here, Seal Hill up
Speaker 1: the alley. That's what we've been getting hit with all
Speaker 1: year long, and we MALIEK Collins would be the one
Speaker 1: I think to help remedy that situation. And and here's
Speaker 1: a thought on that too. So with Antoine Woods out,
Speaker 1: you know everybody's talking about, well, Tristan Hill is going
Speaker 1: to be active till Covington's going to take us. But
Speaker 1: last week, or nice keep saying last week, last Sunday,
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett played his most snaps so far. He had
Speaker 1: fifty sums snaps before everything was in the forties. So
Speaker 1: I would imagine you're going to see him out there
Speaker 1: a little bit more and maybe one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why Collins was so active. When Bennett was in there
Speaker 1: with him. They were double and triple teaming him. They
Speaker 1: did not want him to mess up anything. But he
Speaker 1: was still getting a push. I got to give it
Speaker 1: to him for effort. You know, his effort is amazing
Speaker 1: when he's out there. You know, somebody asked today about
Speaker 1: how he kind of walks around and it's real slow
Speaker 1: and kind of his own man. But when he's on
Speaker 1: the field, there ain't nothing slow about it. That's that's
Speaker 1: Texas guys. That's Texas guy from East Texas. That's my dad.
Speaker 1: That's okay, the whole county of those guys. So your
Speaker 1: pick to click, my pick to click. Um, this isn't
Speaker 1: a new thing. We just started. I am gonna do
Speaker 1: when the right thank you, deep thinker block in his mind.
Speaker 1: Since they're at home and there's a roof, I'm going
Speaker 1: with a Mariy Cooper, Okay, all right, there you go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis gonna make a
Speaker 1: pick and he's gonna make some plays and that's fun.
Speaker 1: Going to get an old teammates. Yeah, they have practiced
Speaker 1: they practiced many times. Yeah, like going back home, especially
Speaker 1: when this is real because when they practice against each
Speaker 1: other hard, it's training camp. Right during the season it's
Speaker 1: scout team. Yeah, but doing training camp, yeah, ask when
Speaker 1: you go each other's right, Yeah. So is it going
Speaker 1: to be a happy Thanksgiving post game interview for Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones tomorrow? Be? It shall be? I agree with ever since.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody's talking about Jerry's putting everybody
Speaker 1: on notice this week, and you know he's made some
Speaker 1: critical comments. But I think this team's already the motivation
Speaker 1: is there. They they feel like they're better than their record.
Speaker 1: I think they get back on track at home. They've
Speaker 1: played better at home. I think they get this one.
Speaker 1: When you when you put in this much money and
Speaker 1: your team is playing the way it is, you'd ratter
Speaker 1: say something. Yeah, right, it's gonna What is Jerry? How
Speaker 1: did he do for the red kettle campaign this morning?
Speaker 1: Jerry didn't he do it? Did he do interviews with
Speaker 1: you guys where I heard them talking about it at
Speaker 1: the time of win football games? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they will thirty one seventeen Cowboys thirty one seventeen. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you what was your score, brob I'll go twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty four Cowboys. There's too many? Does I
Speaker 1: think that's too high? Too high? I gonna control of
Speaker 1: this game, and they're gonna try to keep the scores
Speaker 1: down the way they always have all year. They might
Speaker 1: scored twenty one points. I look at twenty one seventeen,
Speaker 1: twenty one seventeen, and what does super Bowl Bill pick?
Speaker 1: The Road to the super Bowl. The Road to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl starts tomorrow at at and T Stadium against
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And we're gonna have a flashback to
Speaker 1: Super Bowl twenty seven, a fifty two to seventeen Cowboys
Speaker 1: winow Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett is going to pick up
Speaker 1: a fumble and run it all the way to the
Speaker 1: end zone and Cole Beasley is gonna knock the football
Speaker 1: out of the end zone into the red kettle. Otherwise
Speaker 1: it'd be fifty nine seventeen. Instead it's fifty two seventeen.
Speaker 1: That does it for you, giving edition of Talking Cowboys,
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