WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Back On Track? 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.280 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:18.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's talking Cowboys 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.480 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:34.120 Star in Friscott. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.839 Bill Jones and Everson Walls here. Give me on the 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.480 we're gonna work on that. We're gonna ficialive this day. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.120 Come on. I talked to Douglas Barraclough about that yesterday 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.040 or the day before. Get on it, Doug, Yes, come on, 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.640 Cubbies in the building. And we are here in the 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.320 s WBC Mortgage studios, and you know what, it's time 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.840 to win some football games around here, wouldn't you say? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.559 Sounds like from everybody, uh, they're happy, meter it's past 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.520 time to win. Time to win some football games. In fact, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.200 Jerry Jones was making the rounds this morning on local 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.600 television and that's what he was saying, win some football games. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.840 And he's not encouraged that they're gonna win some football games. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.679 And it starts tomorrow at three thirty at AT and 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.560 T Stadium against the Buffalo Bills. Well, you know it's 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.119 postgame comments kind of scared the children a little bit, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.040 so he wanted to make sure they have nightmares when 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.200 they went to bed at night. So they wanted to 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.199 ease things a little bit. Let everybody know, Hey, we're 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.360 not going to panic here. We're not in panic mode. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.160 I just wanted to scold the kids a little bit. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.760 So now we're back on track, we're back to the 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.039 optimism that is Jerry Jones exactly. You know, I thought, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.760 even when the schedule came out and before they got 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.600 to this point in the season with this record, I thought, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.960 with these three away games in four starting with Detroit, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.200 that for them to kind of come out on the 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.800 back end of that, well, that they needed to win 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.480 three of the four. And I still think that's got 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.760 to be the goal. Got to win three of these four, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.799 and you've lost the one. So now it's time, as 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.520 you said, to start winning. And the game that you 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.919 thought they would lose those four would be the trip 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.639 to New England. That's right, probably, that's exactly right. Yeah, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.640 And who knew, and at beginning of the season, who 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.880 knew what the Patriots were going to be. You just 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.160 knew going to New England it was going to be 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.880 a tough road and playing back to back road games 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.320 like that. But you didn't you didn't factor in the weather. Yeah, 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.480 being being such a such a problem that you can't 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.400 even judge where you are right now. And to me, 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.720 that's we keep falling back on weather and you know what, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.160 what are we right now? To me, New England was 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.200 just like a pause. It didn't prove us anything. It 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.560 didn't show us anything. We didn't show them anything. You know, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.840 it was what it was. It's what we figured what happened. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.120 But we wanted to be in in ideal conditions what 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.639 we could say, Okay, well the offense is bad. You 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.760 can't really we couldn't really judge that just based on 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.760 the conditions that we were we were looking at I 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.880 mean it was kind of an even Stephen game if 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.760 you if you kind of looked at it. I mean, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.359 they didn't do much offensively. The Cowboys helped them, uh 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.880 to at least ten points. So yeah, but I think 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:26.160 you just gotta you gotta go forward. And these these 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.720 next couple of games, you sound like you've been hanging 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:35.040 with Gotta go forward watch, right, that's the tagline. You 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.200 sound like the Republicans demand. I was gonna say we 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:45.200 need to be great again. You know. Wow, wow, man, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.200 I was gonna say, I was gonna say I need 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.520 to be great today. All right, no mistakes. Back to football, 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.800 I would say this, Yeah, it was. It was a 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.680 close lot. It shows you the expectations of this team. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:04.200 You lose by four points at New England and you 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.280 know this this thing is it's controversy around here because 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.520 they've lost now to what is it, four teams with 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.560 winning records. They're oh and four in those situations, and 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.039 it's just like the Minnesota game though, where you feel 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.800 like late in the game you had a chance to 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.159 win it, Questions about the special teams, questions about the 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.200 plate calling, and then Jerry comes out and voices frustration. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.400 And that's that's where we are. I mean, I think 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.600 if you take a big picture look at it. Look, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.760 they're where they They're right where they could be in 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.120 terms of trying to win the division. Everything's still in 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.839 front of them. But they feel like there's missed opportunities. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.719 And you still feel and the players say it too, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.080 they don't feel like they've played their best football yet. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.680 And so there is a Jason Winnen say yesterday, we're 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.560 all frustrated. You know, he said, Jerry's right to feel 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.520 that way, and it involves the players too. We got 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.240 to execute better. So there's good stuff, but I don't 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.000 think anybody feels like this team's where they need to 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.520 be right now, as they got so much hype. There 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.120 was so much hype in the offseason. Everybody just a 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.000 championship game or bust. Were still there no matter how 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.640 much we're screwing up right now, all this talent we have. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.240 And let me tell you something, guys, if you get 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.279 a good defensive back on a good wide receiver, I 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.520 don't care how much talent you have. If I'm a 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.280 good defensive back, You're gonna have some problems. I don't 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.880 have to be Everson Walls or Mike Haynes or Lester Hayes. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.760 I could just be a good, solid defensive back, and 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.440 I could. I could. I could upset your entire game plan. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.560 So let's let's just be real about how we've got 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.520 so much talent. Nobody else can compare. Obviously they can, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.080 so we need to realize that this season, every season, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.080 every game. This gotta come from the heart. Guys. Let's 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.880 just be real. We can't go out there outthink anybody, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.880 we gotta go out there and outfight them. And I 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.720 thought the Patriots game brain or shine. I wanted to 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.400 see them out fight. Okay, whether we want or not, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.640 we talked about before the game, all we want to 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.680 see was fight in the game. We want to see effort. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.960 We were hoping to see better coaching. We were hoping 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.080 to see few of mistakes. But I wanted to see 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.240 what kind of heart they had as they went up 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.760 to New England. All you're gonna be afraid. All you're 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.760 gonna choke under the pressure, whether it's rain, whether it's defense, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.200 whether it's Brady or Belichick. How are you going to respond? 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.280 That's what I wanted to see, you know? And the 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.599 defense responded. I mean, well, I guess both defenses responded 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:34.680 the Yeah, they had a little help, right and we 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.880 tripped them. So come on right, oh don't get me 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:43.360 started to go. And so starting tomorrow now they need 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.360 to show that fight. You know. That's one thing that's 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.000 that in the last few years, there has there's always 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.599 been a crisis point in a season, and this team 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.920 has responded in the regular season three out of the 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:56.919 last five years to come back and win a division. 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.880 But I straight last year seven seven and one downtown 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.200 to try. The Indianapolis game was the one the middle 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.200 of that. Yeah, but and and there was definitely a 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.160 crisis going on at that point after the Tennessee game 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.240 last year, and they responded okay, even a couple of 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.840 years ago, the horrible November that they had when Zeke 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.600 was going through his suspension. And I remember interviewing Dak 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.040 Prescott right after the Thanksgiving game, and I was I 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.800 was taken aback by how confident he was after those 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.000 three straight games in which they could do absolutely nothing. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.560 Three games and single digits. It was. It was horrible. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.640 I was like, how in the world can you be 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:44.600 confident about the future. But Dak and I came out 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.560 of that one. They actually got a chance to get 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.800 back in this thing, and they did, you know. And 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.600 it came right down to the Seattle game before Christmas. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.080 Uh and the year before that they won the division. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.080 So three out of the last five years they won 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.200 the division when they've been into crisis point in the season. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.679 And now we're going to if for the first time 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.120 since two thousand and four, there will be a repeat 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.360 champion of the NFC East It will depend on how 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.400 the Cowboys respond, you know, And the Cowboys have the 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.440 chance to be a repeat winner and be the first 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.320 time since the Eagles back in two thousand and four 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.680 that we've had a repeat winner in the NFC's see. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.280 And that that's why this is kind of a weird situation. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.640 I don't know how you guys look at it, as 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.880 I might be off base here, you probably are. Is 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.760 everybody mad because they're not they're not very good and 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.280 they're six and five? Or is everybody mad is they're 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:41.520 too good to Yeah, it's the expectations for this time. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.800 The talent is better than six and five. Wow, if 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.920 they were seven and four right now, I had they 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.839 won that game against the Jets, And I hate to 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.000 keep bringing it up, but Jerry brought it up, by 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.320 the way, you know, the one loss that uh well, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.840 we really had no chance even in the end, right 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.640 is that? What is that? I mean one that the Jets? Yeah, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.839 I mean even Packers was bad. We came out bad, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.640 but we still had a chance. But the Jets that 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.920 was the that was that was definitely our local, especially 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.920 looking at what their record was and then what they 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.080 did the next week and the next week and uh, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.680 and you got to make up for that loss, and 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.920 the chance to make up for it was New England. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.520 You didn't get it done. Now what's the next chance 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.320 to make up for it? Probably have to beat the Rams. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.360 And I think everybody thought the beginning of the year, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.920 well that's a loss. I guarantee you whoever filled out 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.400 those schedules, they got to the RAMS and checked an 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.120 ELL there. Now it's not an l. They're the same 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:38.920 as you are, and they're worse. Yeah, that worse ms. Oh, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.000 that deal Monday night was just unbelievable. So in other words, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.920 it's the bills. Yeah, you gotta beat the bills. That's it. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.640 I don't know what the approach was in the previous 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.080 years where they made this streak. You know, of course 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.040 there's confidence and all that, but you have to make 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.480 up analytical change and whatever you're doing. And I don't 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.600 know what they've done in the past to make that happen, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.080 but they they've better repeat it this year. Yeah, And 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:05.880 I know we've talked about the bill schedule and ever 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.920 since you pointed out that, you know, they haven't played 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.400 a tough schedule on paper at all. You look at 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.360 their personnel, though, it's a good team, and that's the 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.079 team with a lot of motivation. Because I just went 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.800 back and look at their past record history, I think 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.840 this is an opportunity for them to make the playoffs 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.360 to the last three years. You go back beyond that, 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.600 like twenty years. Hey, you know they're trying. Phillips. I 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.600 was looking at this last night. I'm glad you brought 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.680 it up. Since Wade Phillips coached the Buffalo Bills nineteen 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.960 ninety nine, they made the playoffs, and I think that 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.360 was the game in Tennessee, the playoff game Music Music 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:47.040 City Miracle where they lost. Okay, since nineteen ninety nine, nine, okay, Oh, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.120 but prior to that eighty eight to ninety nine, which 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.320 included four straight Super Bowl losses, could get you're very 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.360 familiar with Everson. They had nine out of twelve seasons 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.960 in which they had ten or more wins. Since nineteen 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.359 ninety nine, the Buffalo Bills franchise has had three seasons 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.439 that they have had a winning record, and in those 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.600 three seasons their record has been nine and seven. Three 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.080 years in basically twenty years that they've had a winning record, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.319 and they've won nine games in those three years and 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.440 oh four in twenty fourteen and twenty seventeen, and here 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.120 they're looking at if they can win tomorrow it's their 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.959 ninth win of the year. That looks like a mix 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:31.680 shot for today. Welcome, thank you. I don't mind stealing. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:36.079 But how about that? Yeah, search Bill Marv Levy, Where 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.720 have you gone? How many coaches have they been? Have 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.680 they gone through since since marveling Wade have like two 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.120 winning seasons out of the three he was there, and 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.880 they fired him, and they fired him. Careful what you 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.000 ask for, right, and so the coaches that they've had 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.720 since then have included I was going to be my 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.040 next question. Okay, I just went back over the last 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.839 ten years, starting with Jan Gaily in twenty ten, and 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.000 then it was Doug Morone and then Rex Ryan and 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.240 now Sean McDermot. He's doing a good job with him. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.520 But you go back to the previous decade, Dick Geron 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.280 was one. I'm trying to remember. I can't. I can't. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.600 It's hard, it's hard to remember. So you're saying after Wade, yeah, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:24.280 after Wade, Yeah, it gets Ryan. Ryan always brought Dennis 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.319 Thurman with him everyway. When when he coached back then 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.120 because it was the Jets first. Then he went to Buffalo. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.959 Both of them were failed campaigns. But having just seeing 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.000 Dennis Thurman on the sidelines of Thurman stieves I was 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.160 always good to see him. Yeah, But but really with 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.600 Buffalo since right before Rex was there, for two years, 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.760 they've been hovering around five hundred. It's like they haven't 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.360 been two and fourteen to get the top pick in 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.520 the draft. Now now they were. You know, they're always 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:57.400 right around. But they're very remarkable. They were always very unremarkable. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.120 Defensively they were okay. Offensively they weren't and that was 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.559 always the problem offensively. All right. One of the note 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.240 before we take a break, Darren Woodson is a semifinalist 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.840 for the Pro Football Hall of Fame for the fourth time. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.480 That was announced yesterday. I think it's three times in 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.080 the last four years time he's been semifinals, Top twenty five, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.640 top twenty five. And it's a twenty man class this year, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.880 so maybe there's a more opopportunity. I think it's five 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.880 modern ary guys get Yeah, I don't know if that's 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.680 is that more than usual? No, that's about it's about 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.520 so it's not. It's all about those senior guys. Yeah, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:30.920 they're trying to get us out of the way before 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.680 we start dying off. You know, that's all it is, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.680 because I think ten of those are going to get in. Seniors. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.920 You're talking about guys played back in the fucking thirties, man, Yeah, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.400 you know, I want they're still alive. It's like they're 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.560 playing catch up, right, Yeah, Okay, they're catching up with 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.679 the with the grandkids. The grandkids. Hold now all the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.839 seniors they're trying to put in. We got to get 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:56.120 Everson in there, Yes, we do right, walk up there, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.400 all right? We continue with more talking Cowboys in just 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.400 a moment. Selor is a proud sponsor of the Dallas Cowboys, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.280 helping fans see more and do more with our best 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.200 vision solutions. Our lens technologies reveal a world more beautiful 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.600 than you can imagine. 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But I have a 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.840 feeling that Baylor's I tell you what, Baylor's got a 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.560 really good coach. That is a great story. That's just 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.800 an amazing story. You talk about mister Art, you know, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.159 just kind of crapping on the whole program. And you 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.479 know this guy comes in. I thought they would be 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.000 years I mean years before they came back. I mean 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.800 it could have been. I just think that is such 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.280 a great story. Matt Matt Rule came close to being 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.280 the head coach of the New York Jets, had a 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.000 very good chance of getting that last year and he uh. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.119 And you talk about Lincoln Riley being on the radar 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.119 of NFL teams, I'm thinking Matt Rule ought to be 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.520 right there at the head of the class. Coaches though 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.800 that are in college, they're just better for college. I 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.720 don't mean they're better fit for college. That college is 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.720 better off having them having those type of coaches. He 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.359 seems like one of those type of coaches. See, I 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.280 think Lincoln Riley is that too. I think one of 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.439 the one of his strengths is his recruiting, and so 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.080 everyone talks about him being in NFL coach and so forth, 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.879 and he has not. And one of the things you 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.760 look at on that is all right. It worked with 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.880 Sean McVeigh, a young coach in the NFL. Well, John 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.520 McVeigh basically as Tom Brady said, he came out of 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.159 the womb hating the Cowboys. Well, Sean McVay came out 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.520 of the womb preparing to be a National Football League coach. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.919 His grandfather, of course, was a coach in the NFL, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.960 one of the architects of the forty nine ers. Though 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.800 Bill Walsh gets all the credit. But Lincoln Riley he's 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.760 never basically set foot on an NFL campus. He's been 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.560 He's come out of the womb training to be a 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.960 college head. To me, I mean, I know I'm going back, 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.639 but it's like Eddie Robinson. They touted him for the 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.240 Rams job years ago, right after I left out the 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.720 things on the in the mid eighties, and it just 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.760 wouldn't have been a good fit. Yea. He has made 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.359 for college coach. Lincoln was great recruiting. There's a reason 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.080 that they're getting such good recruiting classes. He and he 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.960 really has a passion for recruiting too. All right, these 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.119 Buffalo Bills, can I ask questions that you were on 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.000 that had dawned on me today and maybe you guys 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:09.439 know the answer. When when's the last time a highly 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:14.159 successful college coach who still had a job left that 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.280 to come to the NFL to be a head coach? 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:20.399 Jimmy Johnson, Well, I mean you might be right, Jim 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:25.000 think about it. Was Hardball successful? Yeah, made to Super Bowl? 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.200 Yeah no, no, no, answered luck and he was winning 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.040 ten eleven games stah, okay, yeah, Pete Carroll did pretty good. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:37.000 And well Pete Carroll was an NFL guy before Harball. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.520 Yeah yeah, John Harball, Mr John Harball. Yeah, so how 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.040 did you do? Got to Super Bowl? Yeah? He was 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.480 okay that one year? Yeah, that one though. But what's 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:52.000 happened these college quarterbacks? I mean, who was this boy man? 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:58.720 Alex Smith? The successful college coaches aren't leaving their jobs 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.560 to go to the NFL. There's a bunch of them 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.720 who have who have not been successful. And Chip Kelly 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.120 once again doesn't have UCLA in a bowl game. He's 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.159 back now in the college rings. There's something to be 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.960 said for earning a state pension because you're big money 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.879 down there too. Right, college coaches are getting paid like 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.640 you don't have to lead to get a better paycheck. Hey, 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.280 so let's just say, with players about to get paid 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.480 now without cut into the coaches, that's why they don't 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.600 want the kids to get paid. I'm wondering how that's 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.159 going to and that is that is the money factor 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.880 is a huge deal. When you're talking about college coaches 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.639 leaving a top ten type program and this job security 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.360 that you have, they're compared to this, Well, you've got 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:50.960 four different potential sources of income gear, TV show, radio show, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.440 and you're coaching salary alone. That's a good point, but 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.440 sometimes it's just you know, Saban did it though, he's 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.640 it's that brass ring. You know, you want to try 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.520 and see just how good you are. But when you 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.760 get there, you don't get to pick every player you 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.720 want because you're one of the top programs in the country. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.280 So I'm going to rely on the draft. You gotta 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.000 rely on free agent is hoping to come to you. 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:10.360 It's a little bit do you have to take all 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.399 this from your GM? There you go? Yeah, I wonder 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.840 what Saban would have been like if he had stayed, 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.080 whether it's at the Dolphins or another NFL job, what 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.120 kind of success he would have had over the last 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:27.359 twelve years. Approach and knocked it out that I love Nick, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.280 but I don't know he he doesn't do well with pros. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.560 You know, you can talk to college kids like that, 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.480 but when it comes to the pros, it's a totally 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:39.159 different thing. Yeah, all right, these Buffalo Bills, Everson. In 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.439 the first segment, you talked about a defensive back and 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.960 shut down a team. Well, the Bills got a pretty 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.680 good defensive back, a corner or their first round draft 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.360 pick from twenty seventeen, tra Debs White, who has four 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.800 picks on the season. That's one of the strengths of 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.400 that team, and that defense is pretty strong. They'll use 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.040 him too to fall around the best team's other team's 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.720