1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately devoted. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: about life and relationships, all. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 3: While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I' me Merson Taney. 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: I was going to say I just got to meet 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: my first real housewife ever, but I that's not true 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: because I do know Lisa Renna and she's been to 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: my house for my Christmas party, so she and I've 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: met Kyle Richards also, So is that all the housewives 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: that I met just Lisa and Kyle. I'm not sure 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: that I've met any other ones. 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: But that makes sense because they live. 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: Hills, right. But anyway, so we just met Tamra Judge, 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: and I was so sad that I didn't have the 16 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: nerve to ask her about her middle name. So her 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: full name is Tamra Sue Judge, which I was going 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: to refer to her as because my name is Terry 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Lynn Hatcher, and whenever I got in trouble, it was 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: always Terry Lynn Hatcher. Come into this room right now, 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: Terry Lynn, Terry Lynn Hatcher. And I wondered if she 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: ever got Tamra Suit Judge come into this room. 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Where I bet she did. But I will say that's 24 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: on me because before we started our interview, I was like, 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: maybe don't maybe don't call her Tamra Suit because I 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: don't think we really never hear her referred to. And 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: as a big Bravo fan over here, I am very 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: well acquainted with Tamar Judge and so I was like, 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: I think, let's just call her Tamra Judge. 30 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Right, So I chickened out and I didn't call her Sue, 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: But I'm sorry that I didn't do that, But I 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: was really grateful for the interview. And I've got to 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: say the thing that stuck out to me so strongly 34 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: was how much she sort of led with and also 35 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: I guess kind of owned the label of this sort 36 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: of toxic villain, and I don't know that hit me 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: very hard, like I sort of feel like I have 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: dealt with my own version over the years of for 39 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: one thing or another that somebody has said feeling like 40 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: the label of like I was is not nice or 41 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: not great or difficult. And I know how hard that 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: has been for me to not absorb that narrative. But 43 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: my experience because I have never met Tamra. My experience 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: with her in this room for an hour and a 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: half was that she could not have been nicer, she 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: could not have been more game, she could not have 47 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: been I thought very vulnerable about what she feels like, 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: are her weaknesses and stuff that she's working on, And 49 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: you know, nobody's perfect, and so it did make me think, 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: like about myself. I try to assume that somebody is 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: who they present themselves to be to me and not 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: listen to the noise right. 53 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: In the context of who you meet on the day. 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's how I feel about movies. I like 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: to make my own assessment of a movie after I 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: see it, and not just go off of what someone 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: tells me about it. 58 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Well, do you not read the reviews before you go 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: to movies? 60 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: No, because I don't want to go in with like 61 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: a tainted idea of what my own experience might be. Because 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: I think these things are really subjective, and I do think, 63 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm excited to dive into this more because 64 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: I do think the idea of how we get labeled villains. 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 3: I feel like I am sure everybody at some point 66 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: in their life. I definitely at some point in my 67 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 3: life to someone have been a villain. And I think 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: of myself as a really nice person who likes to 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 3: try to make everybody happy, and it's really uncomfortable for 70 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: me to sit with the term villain. And I think 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: I it was actually kind of admired, And I'm curious 72 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: Andrew to hear your tape because I know. 73 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: You're feels it has the most you've actually. 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: Watched the show. 75 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: But I really admired how Tamra just owned Yeah, these 76 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: people have called me the villain. They say that I'm 77 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: a villain, and I think I want to embrace this 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: more in my life, that I am not going to 79 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: be in control of the narrative that every single person 80 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: has about me, and that that is okay to relinquish 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: that control and to go the people who know me 82 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: know me, and the people who want to say something 83 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: about me will have something to say about me regardless, 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: because there's no way you can go through life making 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: every person happy. 86 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: Oh if it's so hard, though, it is because I 87 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: want hard, of course. Yeah, And I find that, you know, 88 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: most of us walk around really sort of being people 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: pleasers and sitting in the uncomfortability of knowing that maybe 90 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: someone thinks not such nice things about you, and feeling like, well, 91 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: that's they're entitled to their thoughts and I don't have 92 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: to think that about me, and I'm not going to 93 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: care that they think that about me, or I don't 94 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: know that I can change that. It's so hard. 95 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: It is really hard. I mean, at the end of 96 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: the day, for me, the final tool that I've had 97 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: to live with is just like, I know who I 98 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: am when I look in the mirror, I know what 99 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: my intentions are, I know what my core is. I 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: know what I've done for people many many, many many 101 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: many people, and and I can and I can live 102 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: with that. 103 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: My sister, My sister said something to me once that 104 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: I think is pretty great, and I often remind myself 105 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: of it, which is that when we're irritated by a 106 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: trait in another person, oftentimes it's because it's something that 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: we actually are irritated within ourselves, and so to not 108 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: immediately jump to criticizing someone else or judging them or 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: finding them annoying or labeling them something. She'll often say 110 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: to herself, Wow, that annoying thing they do. I find 111 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: that really annoying about me. 112 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: Oh, my god, your sister's so evolved. 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, and I think that 114 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: all the time, Like, oh, if I'm super irritated by 115 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: something someone's doing, I am. I try to then put 116 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: that on myself as a way of because it probably is. 117 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: It usually is true. It's fascinating when you start experimenting 118 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: with that. 119 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: But back to back to, back to the Tamera thing. 120 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: Why you watched the show so because it was not 121 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: presented to us here in this room. 122 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: She did say she related to Edie, and I feel 123 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: like Edie, at least in Desperate Housewives, has labeled the villain, sure, 124 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: but she wants the girls to like her. 125 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: She comes with a lot of amazing powerful traits as well, 126 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: right like Edie maybe and in certain seasons maybe has 127 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: more of like the bad girl by the way, exactly, 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: but she's a realtor. Yeah, right overlap, I would say, 129 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: Tamra burst onto The Real Housewives of OC in season 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: two of that cycle. Okay, so it'd been out and 131 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: you know she is a spitfire. We saw some of 132 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: it today, right, Like, she's very funny, and she's quick 133 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: on her feet, and she has a sharp tongue admittedly, 134 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: and she really does do the thing that they want 135 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: a real housewife to do, which is show at all. 136 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: You know, she her one of her big, huge moments 137 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: on the show, and she's known for it is this 138 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: thing where she screams. 139 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: That's my opinion, and you know who has wanted to 140 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: do that, And. 141 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: It's this it's iconic, this thing that she's like really 142 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: associated with it, right, And there's t shirts and there's 143 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: hats and there's things, and it's it's the Tamara judgement 144 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: in one. Yeah, and and so I wonder how she'd 145 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: feel about my impression of her right now. But I 146 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: do think that she's had a lot of scandal on 147 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: the show, or maybe scandal's the wrong word, but she 148 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: has been very open on the show. So she's shown 149 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: good side, she's shown the ugly sides. She goes low, 150 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, which is part of the name of. 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: The going that's an example of going low that you 152 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: recall from watching it. 153 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: I would say, well, I mean early on in this series, 154 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: there was a whole dinner party episodisode where and it 155 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: came up again on this most recent season because there's 156 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: an older cast, a cast member who had been on 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: a few cycles before named Gretchen who came back and 158 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: now she's on this season as well. There's a lot 159 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: of history between the two of them and it's not great, okay, 160 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: So of course it was like ripe for the storyline 161 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: of this recent season. 162 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: The producers were thrilled. 163 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in this in this scene, I guess we 164 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: can call it right, they have dinner and over the 165 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: course of the evening, Gretchen gets progressively intoxicated and it's 166 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: known as as like the naked Wasted episode because Tamra says, 167 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: let's get her. I think it's not a direct quote, 168 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: but she says something about getting Gretchen naked wasted, and 169 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: it hasn't aged well and it also is just there's 170 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: been a lot of conversation about you know, if you're 171 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: if you're trying to get someone drunk so that they 172 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: embarrass themselves, you know, what does that mean? What kind 173 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: of behavior is that it? And and so it's come 174 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: up again on this recent season because now Gretchen's and 175 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: she talks about it, and there's a lot of speculation 176 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: about how she felt about it, and you know, it 177 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: was her opportunity to talk about that experience. And they've 178 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: tried demend fences. I don't really think that is in 179 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: their cards, but but it's interesting, right, So you hear 180 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: something like that and you go, well, on its face, 181 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: that sounds really like a bad thing that a bad 182 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 1: person would do. 183 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: Right. 184 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 4: Oh, it's so funny because I hear you say that. 185 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: And maybe that's just because I'm thinking behind the scenes 186 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: of like a scripted content, which, let's be so real. 187 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: The Real Housewives is essentially a scripted show. Yeah, I mean, 188 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: I know tammor is saying, okay, I can't memorize lines, 189 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 3: and it's not that type of scripted show, but it 190 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: is so heavily curated. 191 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: I once remember hearing Lisa Rinna talk on a podcast. 192 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: I think it was The Skinny Confidential and she was 193 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: telling them like she used the expression I did my job. 194 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: I knew the assignment right and I did my job. 195 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: So I hear a moment like tammer is saying, let's 196 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 3: get her naked wasted, and I think, Okay, who's the 197 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: producer off camera going Okay, what's the most drunk you've 198 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 3: ever been? Like, did you ever do something stupid? Like 199 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: what's she gonna say? Naked wasted? Is such a like catchy, 200 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 3: buzzy term. To me, it feels obviously like words that 201 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 3: maybe aren't even necessarily in the mouth of the person 202 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: saying them. 203 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 4: But that's probably because I'm very cynical of the business. 204 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: I think it's I think regardless of all of regardless 205 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: of that, right, Like, there's a different level of vulnerability 206 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: to a reality show than a scripted show, right because 207 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: you even if it's curated or even if there are 208 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: some things that are done because they know it's going 209 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: to make good TV, you have to own it because 210 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: it's you doing it. 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: You're not I would do a reality show if it 212 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: were a reality show, like you know what I mean produced, right, 213 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: that's the thing. And I think you know, you have 214 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: this with like press articles. You know, you do a 215 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: photo shoot and you do an interview, and then the 216 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: magazine will curate the interview and you're like, that's not 217 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: exactly what I said, and that's not exactly you know, 218 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: Like totally, I would do a reality show if it 219 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: were really going to see who I am, because sure, 220 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, and I think there's things that you know, 221 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: maybe I would go, oh, I could have done that 222 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: better or whatever. But if you couldn't cut out of it, 223 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: if you couldn't clip it to death and edit it 224 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: to death to make me look like something you wanted 225 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: to make me look like. And that is what they 226 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: do with those reality shows. 227 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will just say, for me, this is 228 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: like a total dream, Like I can't believe that I 229 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: just got to sit in the same room with camera. 230 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: And that's what we do in here. Amazing And I'm true. 231 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I think she was so gracious And very few people 232 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: get to actually put the face to the identity of 233 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: that they've watched on screen, and so I thought it 234 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: was really cool that she was so self effacing about 235 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: being labeled to villain and all the different things. And 236 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: I now get to have the experience of what my 237 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: personal interaction with Tamar was and it was lovely. 238 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and may we all maybe we all go out 239 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: into the world and get to have personal interactions with 240 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: the people that we judge and maybe like have new 241 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 3: appreciation for her they. 242 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: Act and I think try to try to try to 243 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: lead with the grace of like, well, yeah, I might 244 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: have heard that thing, but like, my interaction is my interaction, 245 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna trust that that's my experience with this. 246 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 4: Person, watch the movie before you read the review. 247 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: Yes, there you go, and come back next week. We're 248 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: more desperately devoted because we are always desperately devoted to you.