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Speaker 4: Thanks. Welcome to Talking Cowboys Hellout for Friday, the thirteenth
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Speaker 4: I am Josh Roriguez filling in for Kyle Yeomans. A
Speaker 4: special shout out to Kyle Yeomans and his boy Mikey,
Speaker 4: who's sick today. Uh get well soon, buddy, and uh
Speaker 4: we're we're praying for you buddy.
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Speaker 4: So uhad duties dad, duties, daddy. That's what happens man, right.
Speaker 2: Spaghetty Baghetty, how.
Speaker 4: We were doing today boys, Friday the thirteenth, filling it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm feeling it because it's oh yeah, crazy morning.
Speaker 2: Yesterday was crazy, yesterday's, Thursday night's game.
Speaker 4: Thursday night's game was crazy. I definitely want to get
Speaker 4: to that. I want to get to that. Do we
Speaker 4: want to get to news and notes first before we
Speaker 4: jump into Devondre Campbell.
Speaker 2: Talking about how that.
Speaker 4: Shamboles love that the officer in sham Let's do news
Speaker 4: and notes first, So.
Speaker 2: News and notes will hit it. Let me get so
Speaker 2: first and foremost. We talked about Cooper bb likely not playing.
Speaker 2: He's still trending toward that, still remains in a concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: Did not participate in Thursday's practice, So I just I
Speaker 2: don't see him taking the field. I would be shocked
Speaker 2: if you did.
Speaker 4: And if you're listening to Talking Cowboys at all this week,
Speaker 4: you knew this would be the case, and you did
Speaker 4: so you do. We informed you, so we told.
Speaker 2: You first yesterday. Now, Buddy Johnson, this is where this
Speaker 2: becomes key. Buddy Johnson, he missed yesterday's practice with an illness.
Speaker 2: You're gonna need depth at linebacker. I like Buddy Lee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Buddy's Buddy's good people. Bud, He's good this time of year.
Speaker 2: Buddy's good people.
Speaker 4: Maybe the moon can't be a healthy scratch this week.
Speaker 2: He absolutely cannot cannot afford it, no way, cannot afford
Speaker 2: to be no way, no how So we'll see if
Speaker 2: Buddy Johnson the bug that he's dealing with, if he
Speaker 2: is able to practice today or Saturday. Keep in mind
Speaker 2: they'll have a little bit of practice on Saturday. Maybe
Speaker 2: he still has a shot of making the trip to
Speaker 2: UH to Charlotte. But if he can't go and you've
Speaker 2: obviously lost to Marvel over shown you're going to be really,
Speaker 2: then you.
Speaker 4: Meant to see some more. Buddy Johnson also shouts to
Speaker 4: Tommy Arms, who did a great piece on earlier last week.
Speaker 4: Maybe not vigil or Nick Vigil. Huh maybemaker Nick Vigil.
Speaker 2: Because if you're talking about linebacker depth, then we are.
Speaker 2: Eric Kendricks hasn't practiced this week either, now, so who
Speaker 2: are your starters? His hold on his has been due
Speaker 2: to personal reasons. Okay, so he's listed with the shoulder,
Speaker 2: but he's been dealing with that shoulder for a few
Speaker 2: weeks all year basically, But he's missed with personal reasons.
Speaker 2: So that tells me that if he is able to
Speaker 2: practice either today or tomorrow, honestly, because it's for personal reasons,
Speaker 2: he may not need to practice this week and still
Speaker 2: be able to make the trip, is what I mean.
Speaker 2: So physically he'd still be healthy and good to go,
Speaker 2: and they need him, so they can't really afford to
Speaker 2: leave him behind if the personal reasons that he's missing
Speaker 2: practice are all ironed out. So we'll keep an eye
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 5: You feel as if the travel games give these guys
Speaker 5: the organization less time to make decisions on last minute guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got the flight leaves at like two
Speaker 2: two thirty pm Central time, versus if they were at home, correct.
Speaker 4: They could take the time to correct the right people.
Speaker 2: There's that the bus to parts here for the UH
Speaker 2: for the airport, and around twelve forty five, So you
Speaker 2: got to make a decision on if that player is
Speaker 2: going to be plactive around traveling basically around noon. Try
Speaker 2: the people to know that there's a difference. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: I love it. Nick Vigil speaking of he hasn't practiced
Speaker 2: this week, but to be fair, to be fair, he
Speaker 2: is missed at last week or the week prior, so
Speaker 2: it just shows up parts.
Speaker 4: He shows up and makes places. That's special teams Ace.
Speaker 4: What's weird about Nick Vigel is that like he's always
Speaker 4: it's very consistently not practicing, but he is showing up consistently.
Speaker 2: The job in the world to me, Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not bad. It's not bad. Trayvon Diggs and we'll come back.
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith, right, Trevon Diggs limited with a knee c J.
Speaker 2: Good when limited with the hamstring, Ceedee Lamb limited with
Speaker 2: the shoulder, Doing Lewis limited with the hamstring. All those
Speaker 2: guys are expected to play. I would say of those,
Speaker 2: just keeping an eye on Digs and Good when digs
Speaker 2: because it's a short week after his return and I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly how his knees reacting. Obviously not too
Speaker 2: poorly because he's participating, but we also saw Marshawn Kneelan
Speaker 2: not play the game after his return, so because when
Speaker 2: it comes to that, you know you gotta be careful.
Speaker 2: So keep an eye on that. Everybody else. Tyler Guyton
Speaker 2: he's full participant twice this week. Interested to see if
Speaker 2: he gets some reps at left tackle or if it
Speaker 2: will be like a split between he and tumor. We
Speaker 2: don't know, but that offensive line. More shuffles, maybe more shuffles,
Speaker 2: more shuffles.
Speaker 4: And they've been doing a decent job with all the shuffling.
Speaker 2: More than decent. K Kaufman and TJ. Bass to the
Speaker 2: rescue you rescue rangers, rescue rangers. If you go.
Speaker 4: More of him usition coaches.
Speaker 2: Now that song stuck in my head.
Speaker 4: Risk, Yeah, Joe.
Speaker 2: Development is a thing. People think that development stops it
Speaker 2: in college.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Like you're getting the player that you got
Speaker 4: in college.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 4: Continue to develop in the NFL absolutely.
Speaker 2: And if you can't, if you can't, then you get replaced.
Speaker 2: Big facts.
Speaker 4: I mean even players on this team now developing from
Speaker 4: the UFL or the XFL. You know, it's like you
Speaker 4: see that growth too whenever they come here.
Speaker 2: And just because your professional doesn't mean you can't learn
Speaker 2: extra large degree.
Speaker 4: Extra large degree double X if you will now boys,
Speaker 4: all right, I wanted to jump into this really quickly.
Speaker 4: It is it's nice to be able to talk about
Speaker 4: the op who's doing arguably worse than you are, not
Speaker 4: necessarily record wise, because I think we're all the ways
Speaker 4: though in all the ways, like I think we've talked
Speaker 4: about a lot where I.
Speaker 2: Have one more win because they played one more game.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 4: But to be fair, this team is not doing well.
Speaker 4: Our team obviously, but what we've talked about before, they
Speaker 4: haven't given up in any aspect. The players are still
Speaker 4: playing really hard. And you see the forty nine ers
Speaker 4: and what they've become this year, which is pretty surprising.
Speaker 4: I did not expect this for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: They've also been dealing a little a lot with injuries.
Speaker 4: But you saw not only Deebo Samuel, who is very
Speaker 4: vocal in wanting to get the ball, who's not really
Speaker 4: performing very well. When they threw him the slant, he
Speaker 4: dropped it right and immediately he wants the ball, but
Speaker 4: he drops it right away. But the spotlight is not
Speaker 4: on Deebo Samuel this week. It's on Devandre Campbell, linebacker
Speaker 4: who quit halfway through the game.
Speaker 5: Whoa wait a minute, quits A strong word, josh, And
Speaker 5: yet that's the right word, and that's that's the.
Speaker 2: Quit means that he walked off the field and doesn't
Speaker 2: come back in That's what happened.
Speaker 4: That's what happened.
Speaker 2: Oh, you got put in his walking papers for the game,
Speaker 2: for that game, for that game, it was any game
Speaker 2: that well they might give for his career. Yeah, probably
Speaker 2: because this is not the first offense for him. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it was the first offense.
Speaker 4: You don't want picture.
Speaker 2: Well, various wards said it best. First of all, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The Cowboys have been through so much right now.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys have been through so much crap this this year.
Speaker 2: And some of it's been self inflicted wounds. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of it's been self inflicted wounds, but so
Speaker 2: much of it has been just Murphy's law. And every
Speaker 2: week there is a new rock bottom that this team
Speaker 2: is forced to deal with. And this week it's Marion
Speaker 2: over Shown. Last week it was Zach Martin, and the
Speaker 2: list goes on and on. And this is not to
Speaker 2: the injury aspect of the forty nine ers, because you
Speaker 2: hate to see guys get injured. That's not what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. But you talk about losing locker rooms, locker
Speaker 2: rooms being completely shattered. So much of the narrative over
Speaker 2: the past several weeks it was either the Cowboys h
Speaker 2: McCarthy's losing his locker room, or people are waiting for
Speaker 2: McCarthy to lose his locker room. Meanwhile, out there in
Speaker 2: good old California, Kyle Shanahan has lost his locker room. No,
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan has lost his locker room, and guys are
Speaker 2: cannibalizing each other at this point. Tarvarius Ward, just so
Speaker 2: everybody knows, who didn't watch the game last night, Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan had an injury at linebacker. He looked to Devondre
Speaker 2: Campbell and tried to send him back into the game.
Speaker 2: He and a couple of other assistants. Devondre Campbell looked
Speaker 2: at all of those coaches and said, I'm not playing.
Speaker 2: I'm not going back into this game, took his ball
Speaker 2: and went home more or less went to the locker
Speaker 2: room afterwards.
Speaker 5: He was disappointed before that because he had been the
Speaker 5: starter while green Law was out.
Speaker 2: Professionalism is a thing, and you know it. Handle your
Speaker 2: business how you need to handle your business. And like
Speaker 2: you also said, you don't come back from this because
Speaker 2: the other thirty one teams are looking at this as well.
Speaker 2: You are now a quitter.
Speaker 3: You quit on your team in a game.
Speaker 2: They absolutely had to have to keep their playoff hopes alive.
Speaker 2: You not going back into that game all but sealed
Speaker 2: the fact that they're not going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So when you look at your various wards quotes and
Speaker 2: he says that that's some sucker to me. And when
Speaker 2: a player is in front of the cameras and says, quote,
Speaker 2: he's probably going to get cut soon end quote.
Speaker 4: Yes, his teammates have given up on him kittling and said,
Speaker 4: I've never been around anybody that's ever done that, and
Speaker 4: I hope I'm never around anybody that does.
Speaker 2: This is delicious, delicious. This is delicious, as delicious as
Speaker 2: that breakfast you're eating. I'm sorry that I'm not sorry
Speaker 2: when it comes to the injury aspect of it. I
Speaker 2: hope all those guys get well. Don't want to see
Speaker 2: anybody on any team Garsinger effort. But when you talk
Speaker 2: about the shambles that the locker room is in, eating
Speaker 2: each other, quitting on each other, oh, I thought that
Speaker 2: that was supposed to be.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys, right, Yeah, apparently so okay, And I think
Speaker 4: a big fact of the matter is that Drake green Law,
Speaker 4: obviously coming back from that injury, he was on a
Speaker 4: snap count. He's on a snap count and you have
Speaker 4: an opportunity. Now, Campbell, I'm saying to put the tape
Speaker 4: out there, make yourself, yes the starter, make yourself.
Speaker 2: To make it hard to give the job back.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly that. But his his instinct there is to
Speaker 4: give up on his team. That's unfortunate, Isaiah. Have you
Speaker 4: ever seen that before?
Speaker 2: No, you would have the same reaction those guys had.
Speaker 2: Was it some sucker stuff? Absolutely suck.
Speaker 5: He's selfish, selfish, he's in his feelings, he's being sensitive,
Speaker 5: he's being selfish, and he just costs his career.
Speaker 2: Luckily, he's already played eight years.
Speaker 5: Luckily he had a one year, five five million dollars
Speaker 5: deal that he's already received a majority of.
Speaker 2: Because that's probably going to be his last check. You
Speaker 2: know what, I just want to be clear and we can.
Speaker 4: Move period, because who wants to sign him after that?
Speaker 2: I'll be clear and we'll move on from it. Because
Speaker 2: it's talking cowboys, not talking Niners. But for anyone whoever
Speaker 2: wants to know what quit looks like, that's what it
Speaker 2: looks like. That's what that is.
Speaker 4: And they've been having turmoil since training camp. If you
Speaker 4: look at a contract situation with Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 2: Which one was worse him or Antonio Brown.
Speaker 4: Antonio Brown is genuinely a sick man. I think this
Speaker 4: is worse.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 4: I think this is worse. That's fair, Antony, because you
Speaker 4: know what you're getting with Antonio Brown. You knew what
Speaker 4: you were getting with Antonio Brown, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But Antonio Brown's actions also this quite literally cost the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Not to say that this guarantee them
Speaker 2: a playoff bid, but they needed this win in order
Speaker 2: to even remain in that conversation. Now they lost the game.
Speaker 2: Now the Commanders have the tiebreak over them. They're basically done.
Speaker 2: You you took that away from your entire team and organization.
Speaker 4: How how how you come back from that?
Speaker 2: How could you exist in that locker room or in
Speaker 2: that building. No, they're not even going to allow him
Speaker 2: back in the buildings. They're going to have this stuff
Speaker 2: on the front yard. Just drive by, pick up your bag.
Speaker 3: I mean, you lost the guys. This does tie to
Speaker 3: the Cowboys and away.
Speaker 2: How was that talking to me?
Speaker 7: So remember Cowboys signed Eric Kendricks on March fourteen.
Speaker 2: The poach we poke on March fourteen.
Speaker 7: So I went back and looked at when when Campbell
Speaker 7: signed with San Francisco.
Speaker 4: March fifteenth, the next.
Speaker 2: Day, looking good.
Speaker 8: Reaction is talking cowboys, so it ties to the cowboys.
Speaker 3: So Kendricks was going to be on San Francis Bieber.
Speaker 2: You're saying, I get to say the following we did
Speaker 2: this to you. That's not what you really wanted to say.
Speaker 2: You wanted to pull a David Pelle. I did, but
Speaker 2: I don't want us to get fined.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was looking at me.
Speaker 4: He's like, when did he get signed?
Speaker 7: So I was going through the thirteenth transactions and said, yeah, mister,
Speaker 7: just the very next day.
Speaker 4: Interesting sixty degrees. All right, boys, it's time to go
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Speaker 4: We had somebody ask the question, what are the questions
Speaker 4: that need to be answered about this team in the
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Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 4: What questions need to be answered about this Dallas Cowboys team?
Speaker 4: Only four games left?
Speaker 2: I'm going to cheat and look at my answer because
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Speaker 4: All right, Rico Doll bam bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,
Speaker 4: bab bam, bam bam.
Speaker 5: All right, hold on, we've disrespected Rico. How was it
Speaker 5: that we had a whole Rico dance by mid season?
Speaker 5: But he's had one hundred yard games and we haven't
Speaker 5: done the Rico dance.
Speaker 2: We just did it like.
Speaker 4: You gotta give some love, all right. My question in
Speaker 4: regards to Rico dwell, should he have a chance to
Speaker 4: carry the load next season?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do we think that the Dallas Cowboys should be spending
Speaker 4: a top three round pick on a running back?
Speaker 2: Also?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: But yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. So you want
Speaker 4: to see Rico carry the load and you want to
Speaker 4: see the draft running back in yes, yes, really yes,
Speaker 4: and yes.
Speaker 2: I don't think then I don't think a running back
Speaker 2: needs to be in the first three rounds.
Speaker 4: So that's that's exactly my point.
Speaker 2: But you don't have a fourth I want to see,
Speaker 2: see that's the problem, a problem, No, that is the problem.
Speaker 2: Why don't you have a fourth that's them because you're
Speaker 2: sent it away for Jonathan Mingle the comic. But hear
Speaker 2: me out, that is why you don't have a rookie
Speaker 2: running back on the roster right now, because you sent
Speaker 2: a fourth away for Trey Lance. So the way the
Speaker 2: picks played out sounds like I can got kicked the man.
Speaker 2: You were forced to make a decision in round three
Speaker 2: either you were going to pick another linement which you
Speaker 2: use for Cooper Bee because you got that that extra
Speaker 2: pick and may foul, or you're going to have to
Speaker 2: wait until the fifth round. It almost played out in
Speaker 2: your favor that there were going to be the running
Speaker 2: backs that you wanted still available in the fifth round.
Speaker 2: But then there was a run on running backs atop
Speaker 2: the fourth round and you're lost out that could history
Speaker 2: could repeat itself again. So you probably have to go
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier than the fourth round because you
Speaker 2: don't have a fourth, so you got to go three
Speaker 2: unless you plan on wheeling and dealing some of those comps,
Speaker 2: fit them back and then you come back into the
Speaker 2: fourth round. But they weren't willing to do that last year,
Speaker 2: so I don't know that they're willing to do it that.
Speaker 4: I think your complex situation those a little better this year,
Speaker 4: where you might be able to get up into the fourth.
Speaker 2: You got to be willing to do it that. You
Speaker 2: have to be willing to team it loves their draft pick.
Speaker 4: I get it. I get it, But I think if
Speaker 4: the right running back is there, you have a chance
Speaker 4: to do it. I really do, but I I will
Speaker 4: take one in the third based on the last three
Speaker 4: or four games. I'm actually actively hoping that Rigo Dowdell's
Speaker 4: carrying the load next season. I think he can definitely
Speaker 4: do Obviously he's doing it now, but you give him
Speaker 4: some more time in this offense. You have more time
Speaker 4: to develop his chemistry with the offensive line, and you
Speaker 4: definitively say this is the dude. I think it's Rico
Speaker 4: dawdle Man.
Speaker 2: I really do. Rico being back to me is a
Speaker 2: no brainer. It's an absolute no brainer. Yeah, and on
Speaker 2: a multi year deal, whether that be two or three,
Speaker 2: because he's been grinding away through one year deals after
Speaker 2: the expiration of his initial rookie contract, So go ahead
Speaker 2: and give him a two or three year deal and
Speaker 2: and draft a running back to be his compliment. Because
Speaker 2: then that leads to my one of my questions that
Speaker 2: need to be answered. What's Deuce Vaughan's role in twenty five?
Speaker 2: What's Hunter Lipkey's rolling twenty five? And you are you
Speaker 2: are you gonna throw Dalvin Cook back out there to
Speaker 2: see if that's even Where's he been? He's still here,
Speaker 2: He's on the practice squad. See, that's my point. So
Speaker 2: my question is, outside of Rico, which is a no brainer,
Speaker 2: what does the what else is on the roster that's
Speaker 2: going to be worth retaining for twenty twenty five? Why
Speaker 2: is not playing?
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think they can figure out the role for him.
Speaker 4: I don't think the coaching staff, I don't think the
Speaker 4: play caller is necessarily he's gonna go. He doesn't have
Speaker 4: the same belief in.
Speaker 2: League going to go somewhere else and eat like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be with a coordinator that is able
Speaker 4: to design place for him to succeed.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, true, true, true, we'll see. But for me,
Speaker 2: that's just one of the questions. I just want to know.
Speaker 2: You know, they definitely at certain positions where the Cowboys
Speaker 2: are for twenty twenty five. So, like, you know, who's
Speaker 2: in a similar boat as Rico is Jordan Lewis, Right,
Speaker 2: I feel like Jordan Lewis deserves He's on a one
Speaker 2: year deal right now. I feel Jordan Lewis deserves a
Speaker 2: multi year deal. And in that you need to figure
Speaker 2: out what's going on behind him because talk to me,
Speaker 2: stay with the chest.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be some competition for some of these unrestricted
Speaker 5: free agents.
Speaker 2: Oh like a guy like Jordan. Oh, I absolutely believe.
Speaker 5: Unrestricted free agents who have relationships with previous coaches.
Speaker 2: Jordan chose to be chose to stay here because he
Speaker 2: was stuff. They came, they came in, they came.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of uncertainty though they came. Oh no, absolutely,
Speaker 2: because free agency is are two weeks straight, two street.
Speaker 5: But even still, I mean going to a new team,
Speaker 5: going to a new team that's unproven, you don't know
Speaker 5: what you're getting into. Versus seeing what they're about and
Speaker 5: now have an opportunity and some one team probably has
Speaker 5: more more bag than the others.
Speaker 2: But you also to that in that same discussion, you
Speaker 2: also don't know what the defensive side of the ball
Speaker 2: looks like. Coaching Zimmer is on a one year deal.
Speaker 2: A lot of these assistants are one year deals. So
Speaker 2: that's a good question to robust converse. You guys believe
Speaker 2: that Zimmer gets brought back. I have no cluecar that
Speaker 2: defense has certainly improved.
Speaker 5: Okay, so that's the question that needs to be answered.
Speaker 5: If McCarthy comes back to Zimmer come back, that's on
Speaker 5: the new head coach.
Speaker 4: I would say, if.
Speaker 2: McCarthy comes back Zimmer, then I say, yes, yeah, I
Speaker 2: would assume that you because the back end of the season,
Speaker 2: Zimmer his defense has started to trend upward and show
Speaker 2: some real improvement despite losing some guys still not having
Speaker 2: Tank on the field, for example, missed several games. As
Speaker 2: far as the digs Bland Lewis Trio didn't get that
Speaker 2: until effective a week or so ago, right, and still
Speaker 2: their run defense is taking strides in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Takeaways have taken strides in the right direction. So I
Speaker 2: do believe that if McCarthy's back in twenty five, I
Speaker 2: think that he keeps Zim around to see what the
Speaker 2: year two under Mike Zimmer might look like. I don't
Speaker 2: see it, because keep in mind, if he doesn't, then
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? Nolan? So that four that
Speaker 2: would be his fourth defensive coordinator entering in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: If Mike McCarthy's not here next year, I think Al
Speaker 4: Harris is your DC.
Speaker 2: I would be completely fine with it. I would be
Speaker 2: really had to kind of contain objectivity purposes containing because
Speaker 2: you need I would be want that you need.
Speaker 4: A sense of.
Speaker 2: I've spoken with him because.
Speaker 4: These def this defense has gelled well together. Obviously, new
Speaker 4: coaching staff this season made that really hard at the
Speaker 4: very beginning, but they're starting to get the rhythm now.
Speaker 4: I think you need some sense of stability on the
Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. So I think I think
Speaker 4: I would hope he would want.
Speaker 2: I would also say this because give him an eight
Speaker 2: and dirty situation. Right at the shouts out to eight
Speaker 2: and dirty catch they were riding. This could be a
Speaker 2: situation going into this offseason where Al Harris teams they
Speaker 2: know now what Al Harris contributes and what he does
Speaker 2: development wise for these players. Is this his last year
Speaker 2: of his contract? I'm not sure, honestly that I'm not
Speaker 2: sure of. I'll ask him and I'll see if he
Speaker 2: might not believe that's a very important question. So if
Speaker 2: you're the Cowboys, you have to understand that this is
Speaker 2: going to be one of the highly coveted free agent
Speaker 2: coaches that are on your staff. He's going to get offers,
Speaker 2: and those offers might include a DC job here or
Speaker 2: there to keep him from leaving, might have to give
Speaker 2: him that seat here this that's going to be that la.
Speaker 2: That's the conversation. Would you be willing to possibly lose
Speaker 2: Al to keep Zim? That's the question. That is the question.
Speaker 2: So I read your answer and my answer is your answer,
Speaker 2: But they need to answer.
Speaker 4: I mean, but that's the point. This is for us
Speaker 4: to speculate opinion, and for me, I am not willing
Speaker 4: to lose.
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to lose it. I believe if it's
Speaker 2: an ultimatum, I'm not willing to.
Speaker 5: Believe that if McCarthy comes back, because I think there's
Speaker 5: a high probability of that.
Speaker 2: Now there appears to be if McCarthy comes back.
Speaker 5: I don't believe that you would be willing to I
Speaker 5: don't believe that Al Harris would stay for a position job.
Speaker 2: I see where you're going with.
Speaker 4: That, but be willing to stay for a coordinator job.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, That's what I'm reading between his lines because he
Speaker 2: talked about this offline. So, yeah, you're going to have to.
Speaker 5: I think you have to give him either he either
Speaker 5: gets a decordator position or he goes thank you have
Speaker 5: to give him those keys, or somebody else is going
Speaker 5: to give him those keys.
Speaker 4: And I hope the Cowboys are not willing to lose.
Speaker 4: That would be one thing. But what about yours? It
Speaker 4: was that yours? Yeah, that's your question?
Speaker 2: My question. Yeah, remind me we went off. What questions
Speaker 2: do the Cowboys need to answer as the last four games,
Speaker 2: field or coaching whichever. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I think that the front office has to
Speaker 5: figure out what they want to do with this coaching style.
Speaker 5: I think there's still a lot. I think they're teetering
Speaker 5: back and forth. I think they're out there at the
Speaker 5: top of the fence. They can't figure out what side
Speaker 5: they want to jump on. I don't think that the
Speaker 5: organization is willing to run the risk of the unknown.
Speaker 5: And and again, where where do you go you're not
Speaker 5: willing to I think there's only one coach. M I
Speaker 5: take that back. There's one coach that everybody is going
Speaker 5: to be coveting and everybody wants right that's going to
Speaker 5: be available, and that's Jonson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Neb and Dallas is not going to pay that.
Speaker 2: That's just the reality.
Speaker 4: History history shows. History shows that they paid Jason Garrett
Speaker 4: quite a bit to be an offensive coordinator that knowing
Speaker 4: that he was there.
Speaker 2: Were roots here, the relationship his dad had.
Speaker 4: They were based upon what would They're not afraid to
Speaker 4: spend money at the coach.
Speaker 5: Neb turned down last year and what he's going to
Speaker 5: demand this year. I cannot This is my person that
Speaker 5: this is my own opinion. I can't foresee this front
Speaker 5: off is cutting that cutting that bag.
Speaker 2: I just can't.
Speaker 5: So with that being the case, then you're going the
Speaker 5: pool of coaches becomes either who you have now or
Speaker 5: you're going with some coaches who.
Speaker 2: Have had ties quote unquote failed previous stints as head
Speaker 2: coaches perceive it, how you remain.
Speaker 5: At the same time, we perceive the perceived that perceive
Speaker 5: the word fail as as you as you feel right,
Speaker 5: but have didn't have as much have had previous head
Speaker 5: coaching jobs in the NFL that did not turn out
Speaker 5: the way that they wanted.
Speaker 2: There you go, So that's what you're looking at. But
Speaker 2: also keep in mind or college and I don't see
Speaker 2: a college.
Speaker 4: Coach coming up now. And I think that's pretty clear that.
Speaker 2: The cloth in Dallas is there's a comfort more on
Speaker 2: the the older, more proving guys. So whether you're talking
Speaker 2: about Parcels or you're talking about Bick Harthy and and
Speaker 2: again Garrett was the the outlier because of the roots
Speaker 2: that his family have with the Ownes family. As far
Speaker 2: as his dad was a legendary scout here, Jason Garrett,
Speaker 2: he was brought up in the organization, so to speak,
Speaker 2: and he was groomed for that role as OC and
Speaker 2: then ultimately for head coach. But as far as bringing
Speaker 2: in a younger guy from the outside who would also
Speaker 2: command a butt ton of money, I think those two
Speaker 2: things work against the Cowboys' tolerances, right, especially when you
Speaker 2: hear Jerry Jones say thanks like he said over the
Speaker 2: past couple of years. I don't have time for a
Speaker 2: bad time. Well, he probably is not going to go
Speaker 2: with an unproven head coach or someone with no head
Speaker 2: coaching or little head coaching experience, who, by the way,
Speaker 2: is also demanding a whole lot of money without that
Speaker 2: head coaching experience. I would be fine with that particular person.
Speaker 2: We can't say his name because that would be tampering.
Speaker 2: But I'm with Isaiah. I just I don't see it happening.
Speaker 2: So if even if they decide to move on from McCarthy,
Speaker 2: which time will tell, I don't know that they go
Speaker 2: in that direction. You have to.
Speaker 4: You have to be able to weigh all options. I
Speaker 4: think that's that's one that you can't just overlook because
Speaker 4: of previous experience with.
Speaker 2: And we we shan't.
Speaker 4: We will not, of course, no, you know, we'll just don't.
Speaker 2: We'll say it like it's something that they would pursue.
Speaker 2: What stranger things have happened?
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Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 4: Which guy?
Speaker 1: This guy?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's smiling. You'd you guys just carry all right, boys,
Speaker 4: we got Larry in South Carolina. Shouts to Larry, thank
Speaker 4: you for coming on Talking Cots. How you doing today, Larry?
Speaker 11: I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: We go.
Speaker 4: That's my boy, Larry, South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Did you do to dance, Larry? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there he goes very good. All right, Larry, it's
Speaker 4: time to pick our picks for the week. First off,
Speaker 4: we got the dogs and to present the dogs, Christopher
Speaker 4: Beamer with the Beamer bulletin. Do I need to present
Speaker 4: the dogs at the same time?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Please? All right?
Speaker 7: So the the standings haven't really changed. Jason isn't first,
Speaker 7: and then we go to Josh who's in second. Well, actually,
Speaker 7: Josh and collar tied, but since Josh is here, you're
Speaker 7: in second. Okay, fans are third, and man, Isaiah, you
Speaker 7: had the worst week of them all.
Speaker 2: I believe it.
Speaker 4: You went one in five last week.
Speaker 2: Bro, I believe it.
Speaker 4: You played in the NFL.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm throwing it out there now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that do better?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 8: So the dogs this week, Larry, listen up, get a pen,
Speaker 8: whatever you want to do, all right. The New York
Speaker 8: Giants are a dog against Baltimore. We have New Orleans
Speaker 8: is a dog against Washington. That's in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: New England is at Arizona. In Chicago is a dog
Speaker 4: against Minnesota at Minnesota. Thanks to you, thank you. That's
Speaker 4: one spicy you meet the bye, Larry, kick us off.
Speaker 4: Who is your dog this week? Going with the Saints
Speaker 4: against the Commanders? I like it? I like it, crazy
Speaker 4: man Patrick Nocia Walker, what do you think, Buddy or
Speaker 4: Jason Vorheiz excuse me, Saints? We're going with the Saints
Speaker 4: against the Commanders.
Speaker 2: Boys.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to change it up because I wanted
Speaker 4: to pick the Saints, but I need to catch up
Speaker 4: to good old Pat over here and uh meet you
Speaker 4: at Crystal Lake. Buddy, give me the Patriots at the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: Give me the Bears for three thousand, Bears for three thousand.
Speaker 4: I don't think you're gonna get that one, buddy.
Speaker 2: Okay, picks will.
Speaker 4: Go as they will know, all right, Larry, let's get it, Betty.
Speaker 4: Jets at the Jags, who are feeling oh man, oh.
Speaker 3: Gosh, give me the Jets, the.
Speaker 4: J e t s the Aaron Rodgers against the Jaguars
Speaker 4: without Dogwars without Lauren. All right, I'm gonna go next.
Speaker 4: Give me the Jags to put a knife in the
Speaker 4: heart of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Give me the Jets.
Speaker 3: Jags.
Speaker 4: Oh, Jason voarh he's going with the Jags. I like
Speaker 4: to see it, all right, Isaiah, kick us off next,
Speaker 4: Dolphins at the Texans. No Odill Beuckham Junior. By the way,
Speaker 4: they're gonna be missing a key to their offense.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 2: Give me Miami. I think Miami is really pushing for
Speaker 2: the playoffs right now. So Miami, I'm going with the Texans.
Speaker 2: What about you, Pat, Texans?
Speaker 4: Pat's going with Texans, Larry, I'm going to Texans, Going
Speaker 4: with Texans, all right?
Speaker 13: Me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are our Homers a little bit, just a tad.
Speaker 4: We got a great game on the way. Bills at
Speaker 4: Lions potential Super Bowl matchups, Larry, what are you thinking
Speaker 4: about it?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 4: I'm over Lions going Lions at their at home at
Speaker 4: Ford Field. I like it. I like it. I'm also
Speaker 4: picking the Lions. What about Tuesday MVP Josh Allen Sixth's
Speaker 4: Donnis potential MVP. I don't know. We'll see Jason Bills.
Speaker 4: He's going with the Jason to tear down the Lions
Speaker 4: at Ford Field? All right, boys, Uh, Steelers at Eagles.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go first on this one. I'm going to
Speaker 4: pick the Pittsburgh Steelers, and those frauds.
Speaker 2: Give me a J. Brown for two d a J.
Speaker 4: Brown two hundred yeahs. He's crying over there, so they're
Speaker 4: gonna throw them the ball, all right, Jason, Steelers. Jason's
Speaker 4: picking the Steelers. His answer, Larry, South Carolina, I gotta.
Speaker 3: Go with the Steelers.
Speaker 2: I can't pick the Eagle for nothing.
Speaker 4: Love to hear it, love to hear it, all right,
Speaker 4: this is an easy one I know who the guide
Speaker 4: to my left is gonna pick, so I'll leave him last.
Speaker 4: I'll just leave him last. Create some suspense, all right,
Speaker 4: Packers at the Seahawks, Larry, let's go first, Packers.
Speaker 2: What going the.
Speaker 4: Packers of Green Bay? Jason?
Speaker 2: This is my favorite butt of the game.
Speaker 4: Yes, Packers, Jason is going with the Packers Green Bee.
Speaker 4: I'm going with the Seahawks. Give me the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: You know who the heck I am?
Speaker 9: I do?
Speaker 2: You know? All right? The Sean Alexander for the wind.
Speaker 4: Baby, let's freaking go. I would love to sean little
Speaker 4: Matt Hasselback.
Speaker 2: We want the ball.
Speaker 4: We're gonna score, all right, boys, final pick the pick
Speaker 4: we've all been waiting for. The Cowboys are going out
Speaker 4: to Carolina.
Speaker 2: Humid place.
Speaker 4: It's a humid place, and that's where our boy Larry
Speaker 4: is in South Carolina.
Speaker 5: I'll be there, Sam.
Speaker 4: Going to the game.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Hey, keep your eyes peeled for a Christopher Beamer. Keep
Speaker 4: your eyes peeled for Nick Eman, and keep your eyes
Speaker 4: peeled for Patrick nos Man.
Speaker 2: Beamer be down around field working.
Speaker 4: Beamer, be out there on the field working. All right, Larry,
Speaker 4: I have to make too much noise exactly, Larry, kick
Speaker 4: us off, buddy, what are you feeling?
Speaker 2: Oh? Cowboys? Man, cowboys?
Speaker 4: What's the score?
Speaker 8: Seven?
Speaker 3: Twenty seven, twenty one.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven to twenty one.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 4: Conservative pick, but always picking the cowboys.
Speaker 3: I love to hear it.
Speaker 4: Larry, thank you so much from Talking Cowboys. Thank you
Speaker 4: for joining us.
Speaker 2: Love you man.
Speaker 4: Take care of it, Go cowboys. All right, I'm picking
Speaker 4: the Panthers. I'm just kidding. I'm picking the Cowboys. Let
Speaker 4: me go thirty one to twenty eight. I think it's
Speaker 4: going to be a barn burner. It's going to be
Speaker 4: a shootout. It's probably the thirteenth Jason voorheez.
Speaker 2: Twenty one twenty Panthers out.
Speaker 4: Killing us on Friday, the thurd James Jason warreesmn you
Speaker 4: damn you?
Speaker 2: How dare you?
Speaker 4: To hell with you?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: Isaia standbacks, you're uh let's go thirty four to twenty one.
Speaker 4: Man thirty four, twenty one, thirty four to twenty one.
Speaker 4: All right, Christopher Beemer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who you got?
Speaker 4: I don't usually pick on this show.
Speaker 2: You know that. I know? Are you saving it?
Speaker 3: Dallas?
Speaker 4: Since we haven't thirst scored?
Speaker 2: Thirty four? Who isaiahh Okay, I'll.
Speaker 4: Do thirty four twenty six, thirty four to twenty six.
Speaker 4: Good job, Cowboys. Be sure Dallas come.
Speaker 2: Isaiah did not state his team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I say it. Didn't say his team clients. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it kind of blas Cowboys all right?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 4: Uh, Kyle for the record picked Cowboys twenty to thirteen.
Speaker 2: Is a snitch?
Speaker 11: Is he?
Speaker 2: Jason's a snitch? You snitched.
Speaker 4: I'll have all of Kyle's. He picked his dog was
Speaker 4: the Saints, he picked the Jets, he picked the Texans,
Speaker 4: he picked the Lions, the Steelers, Packers, Cowboys crazy. He's
Speaker 4: making some good picks. He's close to me as far
Speaker 4: as the RANKMS go.
Speaker 2: Who's first?
Speaker 4: Patrick? But I think he's been killed by one Jason
Speaker 4: Voorhees or are they won and the same it happens,
Speaker 4: you'll have the same face to be fair? All right, boys,
Speaker 4: we will be back on Monday to talk about a
Speaker 4: Cowboys victory. I guarantee it. Kay wait for Patrick Nosey
Speaker 4: Walker aka Jason Voorhees for Isaiah Stampapor pressor being the background.
Speaker 4: John Ferdriguz, thank you so much for tuning in. We'll
Speaker 4: see you next week. On Talking Cowboys.
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