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Speaker 1: Welcome next to re vision of the Crooked podcast, where

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Speaker 1: we die deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 1: joining me today is the great, the brilliant, the fantastically

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Speaker 1: It's been it's been a busy time, but it's delightful

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Speaker 1: I'm previously on America Shop as co creator Joe Casey

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Speaker 1: Can I get some respect with five digits in it? Please,

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Speaker 1: got to do something about those Masters of Evil, and

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Speaker 1: then you'll get the thought bubble where Eric Masters is like,

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Speaker 1: if only I could tell them that I am not

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Speaker 1: the Thor.

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Speaker 2: They know I am Eric Master. That's just something I

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Speaker 2: thought about.

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Speaker 1: So I have a clip from the trailer up here,

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Speaker 1: and it appears, you tell me, it appears that when

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Speaker 1: Jane shows up, she's I'm just guessing certainly they're on

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Speaker 1: Earth because I see cars, right, But it appears to

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Speaker 1: be New Asgar just judging from the style of the buildings.

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Speaker 2: So is it like.

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Speaker 1: New Asguard needed its protector. Thor is out in space right,

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Speaker 1: he gets the message he shows up, But guess what,

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Speaker 1: we don't need you because the Thor we already have

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Speaker 1: our Thor is already like kicking ass down here, and

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Speaker 1: we think it's something.

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Speaker 4: Dressed in like ancient Grecian style huts. Please, he's got

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Speaker 4: like a best style robe. And I definitely think that

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be some fun conflict in that space.

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Speaker 3: But also like Thor is probably going to.

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Speaker 4: Give her I always knew, like when Kap picks it up,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: He's never going to be upset about it.

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Speaker 4: He's just going to be like sad that's his ex

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Speaker 4: girlfriend and not his wife.

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Speaker 1: And my other man, I D say, a New Asguard

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Speaker 1: is looking great. They got cruise ships now, Oh this isn't.

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Speaker 1: And finally, I guess here's whenever I think about Asgard

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Speaker 1: on Earth. Right, So in the comics as Guard New,

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Speaker 1: as Guard is in Brockton, Oklahoma, of all places.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like just over it, just.

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Speaker 1: Hovering above the planes, right. And then that becomes an

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Speaker 1: issue because this was during the period of time in

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Speaker 1: which Norman Osborne was like the leader of or security

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Speaker 1: apparatus and of course is a villain but pretending not

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Speaker 1: to be a villain. And so one of the things

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Speaker 1: he does he lays siege to as Gard, is this

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Speaker 1: kind of like invading force on American soil, Like why

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Speaker 1: are you here?

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't be here. You have to leave, and if

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna leve, we'renna make you leave. Man.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if at some point in time, when just

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Speaker 1: thinking about seeing that kind of that collect that that

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Speaker 1: you know, negotiation underway with various parties kind of talking

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Speaker 1: and then Valkyrie sitting there like at the head of

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Speaker 1: the table, I wonder if we get to a place

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Speaker 1: at some point where uh, Norway's like you know what

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Speaker 1: this is, like, this is just like causing a lot

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Speaker 1: of problems. Could you please leave? And then we have

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Speaker 1: the government, you know whatever the inheritor to Shield is saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make you leave.

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Speaker 4: We know that, we know that a lot of or

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Speaker 4: we hypothesize that a lot of what we're seeing here

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Speaker 4: is multiple teams, and that whole timeline is very huge

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Speaker 4: in a villain version as the Avengers heroic team, you know.

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Speaker 4: So I think that it's incredibly likely that that is

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Speaker 4: something we'll see in our future.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was a super fun trailer. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to I can't wait to see the movie. Oh, let's

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Speaker 1: go to a quick mini Thor mail bag from a listener.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Patrick asked, in advance of Thor, Love and Thunder,

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Speaker 1: I want to get into the Jason Aaron Thor comics run.

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Speaker 1: Researching along and it is a bit overwhelmed. Can you

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Speaker 1: and Rosie do an essential reading on absolutely? Rosie whant

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Speaker 1: to take it away?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think we'll just we'll start with where

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Speaker 4: we've started from, which is Thor, God and Thunder. That

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Speaker 4: is where we really established the journey that Thor is

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Speaker 4: going to go on. You have Jason Narron Assad Ribbik,

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Speaker 4: who they are literally just lifting stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean his stuff that comic issue three. He's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: This stuff is unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: So that I think is a really key arc because

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Speaker 4: that also will set up where we're going to go

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Speaker 4: when it comes to Jane, when it comes to why

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Speaker 4: Thor wouldn't be able to lift moln there, why he

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Speaker 4: may be lacking in that space, and that is I

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Speaker 4: would say that there's probably.

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Speaker 3: Two comics that we're talking.

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Speaker 4: About, and that is going to be the first one,

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Speaker 4: and the second one is obviously going to.

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Speaker 1: Be twenty fourteen's Thor Yeah one to eight with Russell

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Speaker 1: Dowerman as the artist. That continues that is the introduction

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Speaker 1: of Jane Fosters as the God of Thunder, And honestly

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Speaker 1: you can just read up from there. Yeah, like if

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Speaker 1: you want to continue.

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Speaker 2: Go there.

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Speaker 1: But those are the two places start Thor God of

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Speaker 1: Thunder like one to twenty five and then Thor one

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Speaker 1: to about eight until Jane is revealed as Thor. But

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Speaker 1: then you can just keep going. And then for extra credit,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned Original Sin, Original Sin the crossover series, which

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Speaker 1: is number. I hate when they number stuff zero, but

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Speaker 1: fine numbered zero through eight, which uh is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: directly it doesn't give you a lot of direct information,

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Speaker 1: but it tells you why Sor doesn't have the hammer

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Speaker 1: anymore and sets up how Jane gets it.

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Speaker 4: You get into the idea of an unworthy thought. Also,

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Speaker 4: the other thing about Thor God and Thunder, that God

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Speaker 4: of Thunder that I didn't really mention, is like, you're

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Speaker 4: really going to learn about Gore there, you're going to

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Speaker 4: learn about the god butcher arc and you're going to

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Speaker 4: learn about the kind of horrible atrocities that we're likely

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Speaker 4: going to see against God the in the in the trailer,

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Speaker 4: we see a still of a giant, kind of mountainous

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Speaker 4: white animal God and Thor looks upon it sadly, And

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Speaker 4: that's taken directly from though God of Thunder Issue three

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Speaker 4: and asadre of its incredible are and Jason's words, and

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Speaker 4: it said, I knew that God. That's what Thor says.

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Speaker 4: So you can get the notion that Thor is essentially

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Speaker 4: going to be on this journey of self discovery that

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Speaker 4: gets derailed by Gore killing a lot of gods and

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Speaker 4: then somebody being like, oh, it's probably bad for you

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Speaker 4: because you're a god, or bad for Jane.

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Speaker 3: So then Thor is gonna have to get.

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Speaker 1: Involved right, well, that should hold you over. Those two

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Speaker 1: arcs are just super great. And also again if you

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Speaker 1: just want to start at anything that has Jason Aaron

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Speaker 1: as the writer, that is Thor, to start at Thor,

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Speaker 1: God of thunder one and keep going and you cannot

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Speaker 1: go wrong. And those comics are LinkedIn the listener's guide

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Speaker 1: in our show notes. Up next our recap of Moonnight

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Speaker 1: episode for the Tomb, Moonnight Episode for the Tomb, which

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Speaker 1: is a mini sequel to The Mummy, written by Alexaminin,

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Speaker 1: Peter Cameron, and Sabir Perzada, directed by Aaron Moha Justin Benson.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: We're back in the Great Pyramid of Giza. Conshu's statue

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Speaker 1: is placing a little cubby in the wall of the tomb,

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Speaker 1: alongside several other cubbies, each containing their own statue, and

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Speaker 1: we would assume, right each little figurine containing the essence

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Speaker 1: of whatever God that it represents there ostensibly, or at

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Speaker 1: least we should assume.

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Speaker 2: Trapped in those little figurines in the desert.

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Speaker 1: Right after Stephen and Kanshu have done their turn back,

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Speaker 1: the star spell Layla is trying to rouse Stephen a

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Speaker 1: vehicle appears indifferent in the distance, drives up real quick

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Speaker 1: and starts shooting at Leila and Stephen, and Stephen's just

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Speaker 1: laying in the Sandy's out. Layla manages to draw the

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Speaker 1: mercenaries away, setting off a cache of ammunition taking out

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Speaker 1: the mercenaries, and then she and Steven escape. Layla and

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Speaker 1: Stephen then head off to find Arthur Harrow and the

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Speaker 1: tomb of Vomit. Layla wants is like, can.

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Speaker 2: You get Mark?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: I think Mark is really the more action oriented guy.

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Speaker 1: Like when we need to read the hieroglyphs, Stephen, then

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Speaker 1: you can come back, But right now we need we

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Speaker 1: need a guy who can like fight and wield the guns.

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Speaker 2: So can you get Mark out?

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Speaker 1: And Steven's like, nah, it's no. Here was the deal

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Speaker 1: I had with Mark. Mark said, once the debt with

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Speaker 1: Conchu was paid, he would leave and then the body

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Speaker 1: is mine and I from my perspective, that's where we are. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: on the side mirror reflection, Mark is like, Stephen, shut up,

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Speaker 1: give me the body. Layla and Mark trends it through

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Speaker 1: a narrow canyon and they arrive at Ahmed's tomb the

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Speaker 1: camp around it. Arthur Harrow's people's camp is abandoned. Mark

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Speaker 1: is all the while talking to Stephen in his head.

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Speaker 1: He's like, Steven, listen, this is gonna be really dangerous.

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Speaker 1: There's no Conshu anymore. You don't have the suit, no power,

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Speaker 1: no healing, no protection. You got to be careful, like

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Speaker 1: at least for Laylah's sake, because you know, Harro wants

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Speaker 1: to make her, you know, certainly wants to like kill her,

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Speaker 1: harm her in some way, make her constance new avatar. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Conscio's not around. Steven's like, don't worry, I got it

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Speaker 1: under control. Leyla and I are a team in fact,

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Speaker 1: and we're flirting a little bit. So take that Mark.

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Speaker 1: And Mark is jealous and honestly rightfully so, and man,

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Speaker 1: the sparks start going. This must be very confusing for

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Speaker 1: Laila because it's like her husband, but it's not her husband.

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Speaker 2: They're flirting.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan. I feel like Steven doesn't have

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Speaker 3: good boundaries.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I agree, I agree, Stephen, like this

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Speaker 1: is not don't do this anyway, not apropos anyway. Leela

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Speaker 1: and Steven kiss. Stephen then tells her that listen, Mark

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Speaker 1: is and probably Steven's most moral and best and honest

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Speaker 1: moment here basically says everything that Mark has been telling her. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Mark's worried about you because of the danger, because Kanchu

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Speaker 1: wants you, is his avatar, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, what a bad deal that is to be

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Speaker 1: conscious avatar. She's like, you know, why are you telling

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Speaker 1: me this? And also like I don't need your protection,

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Speaker 1: Mark's protection, Like I can take care of myself. What

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Speaker 1: I need is like someone to just tell me the

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Speaker 1: honest truth and not hide stuff from me. And then

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Speaker 1: she and Stephen kiss. Layla starts down the well into

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Speaker 1: Amit's tomb and hilariously like the body containing Stephen and Mark,

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Speaker 1: like Stephen just like punches himself in the face. It's

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Speaker 1: unclear if it's Mark or whoever that's doing this, but

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Speaker 1: then and then the body just like throws itself down

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Speaker 1: the well. In the well, there are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: higher glyphs, and you know, Steven is going crazy because

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Speaker 1: it's like everything he's ever dreamed of. We learn through

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Speaker 1: these scenes that Laylah's father was once an archaeologist. He

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Speaker 1: explored this tomb, and we learn also that he died

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Speaker 1: doing the thing of Egyptology, and clearly Layla is heartbroken

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Speaker 1: by this. She's shattered by this, but she's trying to

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Speaker 1: kind of play it off. And then she and Stephen

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Speaker 1: go down to the lower levels. So the tomb, which

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Speaker 1: is an absolute maze. The whole structure, Stephen figures out

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Speaker 1: is a symbol. It's the eye of Horus. Stephen then

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Speaker 1: unravels the mystery of the maze. Okay, there's six branching

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Speaker 1: hallways off those correspond each to a deity. And they

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Speaker 1: work out that this means somehow, through a method that

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Speaker 1: I couldn't quite follow, but that they knew very well

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Speaker 1: that the avatar of Amet is the God's voice.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: They come to an ancient gallery in which several royal

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Speaker 1: sorcerers are entumbed, a little marvel magic sprinkling in there.

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Speaker 1: Stephen notices fresh blood and meaty bits on the altar.

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Speaker 1: It's a us a lot of skeletons and bloody drag

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Speaker 1: marks around.

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Speaker 2: This is very, very freaky.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly they hear gunshots, they hide and like a mummy

655
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: is there. A mummy shows up, proceeds to disembowel like

656
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: the carcass of like some explorer guy. As Laila and

657
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: Stephen look on, Laila tries to sneak away with the mummy.

658
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: Hears her there's a big mummy fight uh, and Steven

659
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: ends up crushing the mummy. But Layla and Steven are

660
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: now separated. Laila goes full like tomb raid or uncharted

661
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: video game platformer like, holding on to ledges, jumping from

662
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: side to side. A mummy, the same mummy, or a

663
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: mummy perhaps grabs Laila. She fights it off, stabs it

664
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: with its own armbone uh, and then hurls it down

665
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: a very very very very deep hole. And after this,

666
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: after she is like desperate with pain and frustration, she sees.

667
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: Arthur Harrow across this stretch of broken tomb.

668
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Steven meanwhile finds himself in this in the sarcophagus room,

669
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: this brilliant sarcophagus room, Mark is talking to him. He's like, hey,

670
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: why'd you kiss my wife? But but but that was

671
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: fucked up. But also thank you for telling Leila the

672
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: truth about all the things that I wasn't able to

673
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: tell her, So that was nice, even though you did

674
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: again kiss my wife. Stephen then discovers a sarcophagus which

675
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: he quickly discerns belongs to Alexander the Great, who I

676
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: guess was the the avatar of of Ahmed.

677
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, I guess big news.

678
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: Folks famously lost to him. It's been bound. We found it.

679
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: How did Alexander the Great conquer all of.

680
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: The known world?

681
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Basically because he had Uh, he had Ahmed on his side.

682
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: Laila and Harrow, Uh talk it out. She is like,

683
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: you're a dick, You're condescending. Also, you want a mass murder.

684
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Harrow is like, you know what, your father, Abdullah al Fawley,

685
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: one of Egypt's most unique archaeologists, is probably proud.

686
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: Of you if he could see you now. Uh.

687
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: And guess what, Leila, your father's theory that the ancient

688
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Egyptian god walk on the earth amongst human beings right

689
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: now is correct. You proved it correct and you should

690
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: be proud of that. And then Harrow then reveals that

691
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: how he judges people with the scales and with his

692
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: little cane, he is able to read their moments of

693
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: sin and pain and understand what their moral worth is.

694
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: And he says, your husband, he is an agony, more

695
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: pain than anyone can can bear. This means mark, of course,

696
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: and this suggests that Harrow red Mark Scales and he

697
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: knows all the stuff that Mark has been hiding from Lailah. Meanwhile,

698
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: in the sarcophagus room, Steven is arguing with Mark. Once again.

699
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: He slides the lid off the sarcophagus. We see the

700
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: mummy of Alexander the Great. We see several golden artifacts

701
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: in there, but they don't see the u shappdi little

702
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: figurine right that we saw that locks that Kanchu is

703
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: trapped in, and that surely Ahmen is trapped in.

704
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: Where is it? Where could it be?

705
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: Steven figures it out. It's in the throat or stomach

706
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: inside basically the carcass of Alexander Great, and he reaches

707
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: in Alexander the Great's mouth and he pulls it out. Meanwhile,

708
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: while this is going on, Harro is like, Leilah, I

709
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: got some big news for you. Your father was murdered

710
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: by mercenaries. And guess who was there. Guess guess who

711
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: your husband?

712
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: Mark was there.

713
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't believe you, but it's clear

714
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: that she is shaken, and then she goes to leave.

715
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: Laylah finds Stephen in the in the sarcophagus room as

716
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: he's holding the ushabti of Ahmet and she's like, give

717
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: me Mark. Put Mark on the phone, Steven, I don't

718
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: want to even fucking talk to you. Put Mark on. Hey,

719
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: what happened to my dad? What happened? Mark takes control

720
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: of the body. He's like, you know what, let's talk

721
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: about this later. We really need to go because, like Arthur,

722
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Hero's mercenaries may kill us, and we will talk about

723
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing about how I maybe murdered your father. Okay,

724
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: here's what happened. I didn't murder him. Yes, I was

725
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: there and it was my partner that killed him, not me.

726
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. He also shot me ps and I

727
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: have died, but I didn't. And then he's like, I

728
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: should have told you earlier. Yes, by the way, Mark,

729
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: you should have done that, but I didn't. And then

730
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: Harrow's hen she's arrived. Mark grabs an axe to hold

731
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: them off. He's like like, get out of here. Harro

732
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: is like listen, Kan, she's gone now, right, So why

733
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: are you even doing this? Like you're you're at peace.

734
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: Just enjoy that.

735
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: With freedom comes agency. You can make a choice right now.

736
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: You don't have to choose violence.

737
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: That said, even though.

738
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: Kanchu was gone, Mark and Stephen are still sharing the

739
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: same body. So something is amiss, right, Something else is happening,

740
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: even if it's not directly Conshu related. And Mark is like,

741
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: you know what, I choose violence? And he kills two

742
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: of Arthur Harrows Hench's and then Arthur Harrow shoots Mark.

743
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Mark falls to the ground once again. He has been

744
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: mortally wounded inside an Egyptian tomb. How many times can

745
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: that happen? One are the odds that this happens to

746
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: the same guy? And this time he dies. All of

747
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're looking at nineteen eighty film stock. We're

748
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: looking at a VHS tape of an explorer and a

749
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: teenage boy exploring some astic jungles. We're getting an Indiana

750
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: Jones vibe. They're looking for treasure. The explorer is named

751
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Grant.

752
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 2: Well.

753
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: When we zoom out and this VHS tape is being

754
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: watched in a mental hospital, the common room of a

755
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: mental hospital, and all of a sudden bang, we know

756
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: that we're in the Jeff Lamier, Greg Small who had

757
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: Moonnight run. There some other artists involved in there, but

758
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: those are the primary creators. Crawley is there, his friend,

759
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: the street performer who's now speaking and running a bingo game.

760
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: Leyla is there as a philippatient. Of course, Steven slash

761
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: Mark is there and a wheelchair, drugged to the absolute

762
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: fucking neck, shackled to his chair just like he is

763
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: in his apartment. He sees a small Moonnight action figure

764
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: on the floor.

765
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: And the manager of.

766
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: This facility is Arthur Harrow. Arthur Cocking shocking stuff. Call

767
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: Stephen and Mark Well has Steven slash Mark wheeled into

768
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: his office, and he's like, listen, let's talk about this

769
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: Tombuster vhs that you love watching. Doing you think it's

770
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: weird that, like all the stuff that you say happened

771
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: to you is like the plot of Tombuster, And listen,

772
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we had to sedate you, but like that's

773
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: for your own safety. All I want from you, Arthur says,

774
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: and it is an honest assessment of your situation. Meanwhile,

775
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Stephen is looking around and like all the detailing. Yes,

776
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: it's a mental hospital all in white, you know, and

777
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: a nicely modern appointed office, but all of the detailing

778
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: is like Egyptian stuff. Scareubs, little little Egyptian figurines.

779
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: All of that.

780
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: So everything of that about that is reminding of Stephen

781
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: of what and Stephen doesn't know. But when other whenever

782
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: Arthur asks Mark about Stephen, Stephen reacts aggressively, is what

783
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Arthur tells him. And he's like, I can't help you

784
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: if you can't help yourself. Mark, then all of a sudden,

785
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: remember is way of saying, you're the guy that shot me.

786
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: You killed me, and the reason I'm here is because

787
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: you shot me dead. I'm out of here. He then

788
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: makes a run for it. Arthur is all the while

789
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: promising Mark that, like, listen, we can heal your mental wounds. YadA, YadA, YadA.

790
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Mark is not hearing any of it. He fights off

791
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: a couple of order at least goes fleeing. He finds

792
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: a room in which he finds a sarcophagus that with

793
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: the head with the lid is like shaking someone's inside

794
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: of it. He pushes the lid off and Steven is inside.

795
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: Now Mark and Steven are face to face.

796
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: This is crazy stuff.

797
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: The last thing they both remember is being shot by

798
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Arthur Harrow. They then run for it. They find another

799
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: sarcophagus in another room someone struggling.

800
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: To get out.

801
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: They leave this one behind. Now recall Rosie and I

802
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: had spoken earlier about the previous episode in which Mark

803
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: was losing time and Stephen was not the other personality

804
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: in the body, So who was the personality that was

805
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: in the body? Probably whoever is in that sarcophagus that

806
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: they did not open, right They then continue to run

807
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: for it. A door opens and it is the agyp

808
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: god Tara Wett, a hippo deity, who says hi, and

809
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: then they scream and we end. And then there's an episode.

810
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this episode, which again.

811
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: Is there's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah, a lot

812
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: going on.

813
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: Very the Mummy, very basically the Mummy.

814
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: It's basically the Mummy. And then you add in the

815
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: Jefflemere stuff. I reread the it was Jeff Lemir and

816
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 4: Greg smore Wood who started the arc. And then there's

817
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: just like a ton of other brilliant artists who come

818
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: in to basically represent different parts of the personality, like

819
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 4: James Stoko does this unreal storyline in space, Frank Avilla

820
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 4: does this kind of Noirrish Jake Lockley stuff.

821
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: So it's really a brilliant arc. I don't personally love.

822
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 4: I find that I have a personal struggle with like

823
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 4: the way that mental health stuff is represented on TV,

824
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: and this to me leaned a little bit too heavy

825
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: into the like one flu over the Cuckoo's nest of

826
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: it in the tone, But the story it is taking

827
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: from is actually incredibly thoughtful and complex, and that gives

828
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: me a lot of hope for where we might be

829
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: going with this exploration, because like I reread that whole

830
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 4: arc after what rewatching this episode, and I was just like, wow,

831
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: Like there's so much interesting stuff there. There's all these

832
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 4: notions about like what's real, what's not real, the aspect

833
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 4: of an unreliable narrator, but also there's kind of this

834
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: like incredible journey of self acceptance. Yeah, that Mark goes

835
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: on where really whatever's real is just what Mattens is,

836
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: like what's real to him. It doesn't matter what society

837
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: thinks or what Conshue's doing. So I'm I'm very interested

838
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: to see where that goes, especially because this feels like

839
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: a lot to deal with in two episodes.

840
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna do it, and I

841
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: we were talking in pre pro I think that it

842
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: is very intentional that we're going into a Thor movie

843
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: that deals heavily with gods, right, and the murder of

844
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: many many gods. Yeah, and to lead us into that

845
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: on TV, we've got this Moonnight show dealing with Egyptian deities,

846
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: and certainly with two episodes left, it's unclear that we're

847
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: going to have closure on that. So I wonder how

848
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: much of this leads into Thor Love. One of my

849
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: followers on Twitter was like, would not be surprised if if,

850
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: like all the gods minus Thor, you know, and maybe

851
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: and Hercules are wiped out except for con Chu, who

852
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: survives because he's trapped in that little figurine that can

853
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: be a that could be a thing.

854
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 4: I think that's really interesting, and I definitely feel like

855
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: this show so far has been like surprisingly standalone.

856
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that I wouldn't be surprised if.

857
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: Some of the things that go into Thor Love and

858
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: Thunder aren't necessarily like Moonnight himself, but the notion of

859
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 4: the Egyptian gods and the Eniad that's been set up

860
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: also something I think I'll be really interested to see

861
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: if they do as we go further into the last

862
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: two episodes.

863
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: Is in the comic And this could count.

864
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: As a spoiler if you don't want to know what

865
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 4: happens in the comic that they might draw from, But

866
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting. So is the notion of

867
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 4: where the comic is, like, is it a limbo? Is

868
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: it in the Other Void which we touched on with

869
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: the last episode because Conshu mentions the Other Void, which

870
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: is kind of the cosmic home of the gods. So

871
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: I'll be really interested to see. I understand that the

872
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: show likely wants people to think, like, oh, has Stephen

873
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 4: been in there the whole time? But then Tira where

874
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: or iPad the hippo headed god turning up that kind

875
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 4: of hints that this is not where he's been. This

876
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: is more of a we see him fall through the water.

877
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 4: One of my colleagues at nerdest Row Rotem's just so

878
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 4: brilliant mentioned you know that is very much through many

879
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: different cultures, a space of going through the veil a

880
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 4: limbo from and we've seen him be shot. So is

881
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: this a space, a psychological space? Is this a multiversal

882
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: space like we talked about, Is this a hubs? Is

883
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: this something that Konshu has set up as a trap

884
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: because Konshu wants to take that control back over Stephen

885
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: and Mark. There is a if I was to guess

886
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: what was going to happen next episode, I don't know

887
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 4: where how deep they're going to go with the cosmic stuff,

888
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 4: but something that happens early on in that Jeff leamir

889
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 4: Ar is like a prison break where Stephen and his

890
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: friends from around the world, Frenchie, Gina, the people he knows.

891
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: In real life, they create they who are now patients.

892
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: They break out of the hospital, and I think we

893
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: could definitely see that because when we go into that hospital,

894
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 4: there is Lailor, there's Beck, there's a Forger, there's Crawley, there's.

895
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: A one of the avatars is in there as a patient.

896
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: Billy and Bobby who had the same name as the

897
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: orderlies in the comic who were the cops who were

898
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: then Arthur Harrow's kind of Henche's. They are there as

899
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: the doctors. This is everyone that we've seen. It's a

900
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: Wizard of Us scenario. So I think that we'll likely

901
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: see something that's kind of a mixture between some kind

902
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 4: of prison breakout of this kind of the strange hospital

903
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: location mixed with flashbacks that give us a bit more

904
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 4: insight into where Mark and Stephen came together.

905
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, where do you think they are?

906
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: Because even in this comic arc, Kanshu is not Consho's

907
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: basically around, like it is part of what's driving this,

908
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: like like.

909
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: Limbo esque.

910
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: Collision of realities. Kanchu's not on the board right now,

911
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: So I wonder where exactly Mark and Stephen are.

912
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna just throw out something outrageous just because

913
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: I do think something we've been talking about a lot

914
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: fits in here, like what if this is some nightmare world?

915
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 4: Like what is this is the nightmare of us? Every

916
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: single marvel thing at the moment, wondering doctor Strange.

917
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: In that last trailer, they said I have the same

918
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: dream every night.

919
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: The first thing we ever heard Oscar Isaac saying, is

920
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: I mister a yumor dad voice was I.

921
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: Can't tell the difference between my wake in life and

922
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: my dreams.

923
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 4: Right, Like the notion of like a dream space and

924
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: a dream space being something that is not calming or good,

925
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: it's being something that's terrible and chaotic.

926
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: That seems to be a theme.

927
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: Here so maybe that's a different god who's in charge

928
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: of it. Perhaps it's Ammet because he got too close.

929
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: I find that would be a big change.

930
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: But amit is another thing that was directly taken from

931
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: the Jeff Lamir stuff because they're the it's not Arthur

932
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: Harrow who's the doctor. It's doctor Emmett, who is potentially

933
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: doctor is potentially Armit's kind of avatar or representation on Earth.

934
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 4: So I think there's just a lot of interesting stuff.

935
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: The big question I want to ask you is like, yeah,

936
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 4: who do you think is in that final sarcophagus? Because

937
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 4: we know there's another one, so they let two people out.

938
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: Mark is there.

939
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: He lets Stephen out the sarcophagus and then where or

940
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 4: the other way around. But like, and then we see

941
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 4: that third sarcophagus where someone's inside it, Like, who is

942
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 4: that personality?

943
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: It's well, listen, it's either Jake Lockley right who we

944
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: haven't seen yet, or it is the I mean, like

945
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: left left field pitch.

946
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: It is.

947
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: Some version of the comics character variation of Moonnight, Inner

948
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: Child or whoever the moon Night that will actually play

949
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: Moonnight in the record, you know, because it's unclear to

950
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: me that asker Isaac will come back as moon definitely,

951
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: And it is like I would say that I'm eighty

952
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: eight percent sure that this is not taking place in

953
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: standard six one six mcuh because.

954
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: I think this hospital will be really good for establishing that. Yeah,

955
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: then will work out everything that kind of the wider

956
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: context of the world.

957
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Like I guess there's a world in which this is

958
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: taking place, like before the appearance of the Avengers, say,

959
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: or the Jutari invasion. You know, we don't we That's

960
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the other thing. We don't know exactly like when it's happening.

961
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: And so but it feels like standard you know, Marvel

962
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: storytelling is if your post snap, post blip that is

963
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: impacting the story in somewhere, we don't get any kind

964
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: of hint that that occurred. So either this is going

965
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: on in a world before all that happened and we're

966
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: in the standard timeline, or we're in some other reality

967
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: where that didn't happen or didn't happen in the way

968
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: that it happened in the standard reality.

969
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: So I think that.

970
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: There's I think that if Marvel wants Moonnight to be

971
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: part of their storytelling going forward, whoever is in that

972
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: Coffin is going to be the Moon Night who is

973
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: in the stories going forward?

974
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good call. Also, the other

975
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: thing that.

976
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: You think, what do you think is in there? Who

977
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: do you think is in there?

978
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 4: So I think I think it's whatever this this more

979
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: violent persona is that we're supposed to assume is in there.

980
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: It wouldn't really align with the comics for that to

981
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 4: be Jake Lockley, but they've changed a lot of stuff.

982
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 4: I also wonder if it's I think if they're going

983
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: to commit to the D I D storyline and actually

984
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: explore it, then episode five could fit into the tradition

985
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 4: of Prestige TV where the fifth episode is the exposition

986
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 4: and history episode, and then that you have the inner

987
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 4: Child character in there and you learn why Stephen has

988
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 4: the idea and what the traum, what the trauma was.

989
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: But the other big question I have just before you

990
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 4: finished Moonnight Talk is like, this is the first time

991
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: at all in the whole show that they've alluded to

992
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: Row Bushman. Yeah, who we know in the comics very

993
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: generally problematic, even the Jeff Limer stuff not great in

994
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 4: the way that they represent Raw Bushman, who was Marx

995
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 4: mercenary partner who committed the murders of in the comics,

996
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: Marlene's father who here they've kind of replicated that. He

997
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 4: alludes to that here and to Raul, and I wonder

998
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 4: if it will just be an illusion or is that

999
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: going to be a character who comes in to play

1000
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: as we get into those final two episodes, because they

1001
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: are a key antagonist.

1002
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: I think we will see that character. I think that

1003
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: we will see them.

1004
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: So the way this arc, the La Mirror arc ends

1005
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: in the comics, we would need like five.

1006
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: Piece and I was like, no, we don't do it,

1007
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: we need So.

1008
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: Where do you think, where do you think this goes?

1009
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: Because I'll say with with two episodes left, and I

1010
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: love what you said about Nightmare and our ongoing theory

1011
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: that Nightmare is.

1012
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: Actually the big bad of and that would make sense.

1013
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: And now we're kind of going in two directions, right,

1014
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: A lead into multiverse, a Mantis lead into thor Loven Thunder.

1015
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: With this introduction of gods who are not the Norse gods.

1016
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: I it feels like, with two episodes left, this is

1017
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: like it has to be a lead into the movie's

1018
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: play because I don't know how they resolve all of

1019
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: this stuff, I don't know how where do we go?

1020
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: How are we landing this?

1021
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 4: So firstly, something that they did at the end of

1022
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: this episode I think is really important where we're going

1023
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: is they thank the two creators of the Scarlet Scarab,

1024
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: which is who's Roy Thomas and Frank Robbins Scarlet Scarup

1025
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 4: first debut in Veders twenty three.

1026
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: I would not recommend the issue has lots of problems, but.

1027
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: That is definitely a confirmation that Layla's dad and Layla

1028
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 4: were impacted by that character and could potentially take on

1029
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: I think that character may be a mantle that we

1030
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: see because they don't tend to do thanks in the

1031
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: credits unless it's a mantle like a really key story arc.

1032
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: So something I think is really interesting is is Quanhu

1033
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: gonna get their wish and Layla will become Moonnight. Will

1034
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: Layla become a version of Mark's other famous ex girlfriends, Scarlett,

1035
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 4: who is this kind of anti hero villainess. Will she

1036
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 4: become the Scarlet Night, the Moon Scarab, you know, Scarlet Scarab.

1037
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 4: I think the fact that we see Mark and Stephen

1038
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: as two separate entities, I mean we will get a

1039
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: version of the scene in the Jeff Lemir Greg Smallwood

1040
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: stuff where they sit down and essentially have like a

1041
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 4: family therapy where they're like Stephen and is like, you do,

1042
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 4: guys don't exist? I created you, right, because well Mark

1043
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 4: says that to them, He's like, I created you because

1044
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 4: I'm ill.

1045
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 3: You know, I've got these problems. Blah blah blah.

1046
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: I don't think that's gonna be what happens, but I

1047
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if that is how they come to

1048
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 4: terms with Mark slash Stephen not having Conshu anymore, if

1049
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: it's some kind of self acceptance. But I honestly, if

1050
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 4: this had four episodes left, I'd be like I can

1051
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 4: see a vision.

1052
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but two forty five to fifty.

1053
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: Minutes episode, it's going to be really crazy.

1054
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 4: It's going to be I think a lot is going

1055
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: to happen because, like you make a good point, this

1056
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 4: is a mythological genocide essentially on a level of like Thanos.

1057
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably worse because.

1058
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 4: If you're judging people, it's incredibly subjective. It's not a

1059
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty split, you know.

1060
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 6: And nobody's nobody's bothered other revengers like literally, as I

1061
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 6: have pointed out many times he literally works like fifteen

1062
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 6: minutes away from the eternals, like from Dane Whitman.

1063
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 4: Like Balade is wandering around London offering up people to

1064
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: be in a team of some kind and he's just chilling.

1065
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, I want to I want to know

1066
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: where this goes and why is there some kind of

1067
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: like dark Side esque like Palpatine magic if somebody's using

1068
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: to stop people from knowing what's going on, I don't know.

1069
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: They've got a lot of questions to answer.

1070
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: Do you think this takes place in the standard quote

1071
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: unquote six one six reality?

1072
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 4: So I'm a big believer that my gut feeling and

1073
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 4: what the storytelling has told me would say no.

1074
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: But I did see that.

1075
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 4: I think in one of the episodes somebody saw like

1076
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 4: a GRC advert on a bus which was like reconnecting

1077
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: you with your love guest. But at the same time,

1078
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: like all of the notion that we're supposed to know

1079
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 4: right now is all of that first four episodes is

1080
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: essentially in question. So I don't necessarily think that adds

1081
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 4: an answer. I want to know how unless this is

1082
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Speaker 4: just a hilarious thing where it's like, well, they're in London,

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Speaker 4: so the Avengers wouldn't go there because.

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Speaker 3: They're in America because otherwise I'm like, what's going on? Man,

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Speaker 3: Stephen is not the one. If he didn't have Leila,

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Speaker 3: he would be fucked like she is the hero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh well, I can't wait to see where this goes.

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Speaker 1: Pretty fast stuff the last two episodes one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite episodes so far. Can't wait to get back into it.

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Speaker 1: Up next, we'll be diving back into WandaVision. Right, we're

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Speaker 1: stepping out of the air lock and into the idyllic

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Speaker 1: streets of Westview, New Jersey. What a wonderful town plucks

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Speaker 1: looks lovely, plucked directly from the nineteen fifties American esthetic.

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Speaker 1: But of course the town exists wholly because Wanta maxim

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Speaker 1: Off decides that it should exist. So it is time,

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Speaker 1: with Multiverse of Madness on the horizon, to dive into

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Speaker 1: the ramifications of the Disney Plus series WandaVision. Part of

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Speaker 1: the conversation that has been going around my my ex

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Speaker 1: colleague Joe me over the Ring has partially been talking

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Speaker 1: about this. It's like, how much are the shows, the

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Speaker 1: Disney Plus shows going to influence what happens in the

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Speaker 1: movies and how much are they expecting people to know

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Speaker 1: about them. I think it's up for debate. I think

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Speaker 1: it's you know, if you read comics like us, it's

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Speaker 1: very much like the tie in issues. It's like when

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Speaker 1: a big crossover event happens, right, you can buy seven issues, right,

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01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: and you don't really need to buy like you know,

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Speaker 1: X Men Siege, you know the tie in, but you

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Speaker 1: can if you want to know how that they're dealing

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Speaker 1: with it. And I feel like the Disney Plus shows

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Speaker 1: are kind of like that, like you don't need it,

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Speaker 1: but you can find out about it and it's got

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Speaker 1: important information. That said, it feels like there's no way

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Speaker 1: around WandaVision and the events of WandaVision being really really

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Speaker 1: important to Multiverse of Madness, certainly in just the level

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Speaker 1: up that Wanda has under gone in power and the

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Speaker 1: general like turmoil emotionally that she has gone through.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think as well, like it's it's about I

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Speaker 4: think the big the real question is like how will

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Speaker 4: all of them affect it because it's obvious in this

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Speaker 4: case in the case, or how will they affect it

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Speaker 4: going forward because it's obvious in the case of like

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Speaker 4: what if that that is like the episode four especially

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Speaker 4: that is obviously a huge impact on now whether it

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Speaker 4: was what if came first and then you know Disney

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Speaker 4: was inspired by it, or if the impact was an

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01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 4: editorial edict from you know, the Figy side, where it

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Speaker 4: was like, we need you to introduce these terms characters

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Speaker 4: like Gargantos, Schuma, Gora, and ideas of an evil Doctor

1130
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Speaker 4: Strange who's corrupted. I think in a way those shows

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Speaker 4: are like to seed casual viewers. And also I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be surprised this would make a lot of sense if

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Speaker 4: just before Doctor Strange comes out in the next week

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Speaker 4: or maybe after, they put like a Disney suggested watching.

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Speaker 4: I think they're going to do it like that where

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Speaker 4: they're more curating it. But also people will go and

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Speaker 4: see those movies even if they don't I know anything

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Let's do a quick recap of the series.

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Speaker 1: So the series, it follows the events that go on

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Speaker 1: in Westview, New Jersey, through the lens of the television sitcom,

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Speaker 1: the American television sitcom through the years through the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,

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Speaker 1: all the way up to the two thousands, and these

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01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: creations are a manifestation of Wanda's love of the forum.

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Speaker 1: We would later learn that as a child in Secovia,

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Speaker 1: her and her family would gather around as the country

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01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: was raped by war and upset, and they would bond

1149
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: over these sitcoms that they loved so much. So some

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Speaker 1: of the big things that happen over the course of

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: this series are one Wanda has a relationship with her husband, Vision,

1152
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: who we know died in the movies. So part of

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01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: the ongoing mystery is how can Vision be here, what

1154
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: is he exactly, and what is going on in this

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Speaker 1: town that is changing. We have the appearance of a

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01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: new government agency, sword the Sentient Weapons, Observation and Response Division,

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Speaker 1: which is studying the body of this once sentient supercomputer

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Speaker 1: named the Vision.

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Speaker 2: And then all.

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Speaker 1: The while, threaded in throughout the story is Wanda envisions

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Speaker 1: neighbor Agatha, who is mysterious and seemingly not involved in

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: any of the highjinks that are going on. Meanwhile, outside

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Speaker 1: of this hex Orb globe that is of a reality

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Speaker 1: created by Wanda that encompasses thousands of people we later

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Speaker 1: learned who are involved in this mass unreality delusion and

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Speaker 1: Sword is studying what's going on there to trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out what's going on there, and one of the

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Speaker 1: agents that it's involved in that is Monica Rambo, who

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Speaker 1: through going into the hex develops we think through going

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Speaker 1: in there, develops powers that are in line with her

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Speaker 1: comics powers as the superhero Photon. As the story progresses,

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Speaker 1: Wanda gives birth to two children, Billy and Tommy, who

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Speaker 1: are completely creations of her psyche. She has her showdown

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Speaker 1: with Agatha, who we learn is an ancient witch and

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Speaker 1: who recognizes Wanda as the legendary Scarlet Witch, the first

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Speaker 1: time we hear that term, the Scarlet Witch, who apparently

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Speaker 1: is the magical being who has prophesied to end the world.

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Speaker 1: Big news as we head into Multiverse avandas Wanda defeats

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Speaker 1: her the mass unreality delusion is banished, we learn that

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: there are scrolls hanging out in Sword and they want

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: and they want Monica to come to space to go

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: hang out with a person we assume is Nick Fury

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Speaker 1: to talk about like what happens next, and then Wanda

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Speaker 1: walks off into the wilderness we assume meet us again

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Speaker 1: in Multiverse Madness. Okay, Let's talk about some takeaways from

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Speaker 1: this from this show that are worth certainly worth talking

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Speaker 1: about and are things that we think are going to

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Speaker 1: be appearing in multiverse Madness. First of all, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Sword, the Sentient Weapons Observation Response Division. I've said

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Speaker 1: numerous times, I think this is going to be I

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01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: think the research they're doing is a precursor to the

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Speaker 1: Sentinel program, right. And I think the director Hayward, who

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Speaker 1: is a sort of like a guy who seems like

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Speaker 1: he has animous against Wanda specifically and Vision tangentially, is

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Speaker 1: emotional in a way about powered people and about Wanda

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Speaker 1: that would suggest that he would have no problem like

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Speaker 1: developing a sentient like.

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Speaker 2: Robot that would go out and kill h powered people.

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Speaker 4: We I mean when that the episode where we learn

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Speaker 4: about Monica's Monica's experience with the Blip, where we learned

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Speaker 4: that her mother, Maria, was a founding member of Sword,

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Speaker 4: and in that episode, Hayward takes her through Sword and

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Speaker 4: through their kind of aircraft hanger and they are building

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Speaker 4: giant robots. We can see that they are building these

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Speaker 4: giant things, these giant creations, and the notion of them

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Speaker 4: being sentient with tie in to the Sentinels who can

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Speaker 4: find and destroy mutants. And something that directly connects into

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Speaker 4: that from this series is that one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: things that we learn is one that did not get

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Speaker 4: They wreck on the idea that Wonder got her powers.

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Speaker 3: That's through hydra experiments. They reveal that as a.

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Speaker 4: Kid, Wonder used her powers aka unknowingly cost a hex

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Speaker 4: to stop the bomb from blowing up and killing her

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Speaker 4: and her brother that we see as kids.

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Speaker 1: This is important because before this, there were basically two

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Speaker 1: ways to get powers as a human being right in

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Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic universe. The first was some sort of

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Speaker 1: experiment or accident or experimental accident. You get bit by

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Speaker 1: a radioactive spider, you know, you get injected with super

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Speaker 1: soldier steroids, you know, you create a suit of power,

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Speaker 1: you know, like something like that. And then there's the

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Speaker 1: magical element, which is more of a learned which is well, right,

1223
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: you can be born a god or like doctor Strange,

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Speaker 1: you can learn a skill that allows you to wield magic, right,

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Speaker 1: which we'd assume is like Agatha and I guess there's

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Speaker 1: a world in which you could say, potentially Wanda's like that. Well,

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen yet is people who were born with powers,

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Speaker 1: who were not part of of an experiment, who just

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01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: has them and developed them for whatever reason. And we

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Speaker 1: think that certainly, what this series revealed is that Wanda

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Speaker 1: is one of those people who was just born with

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Speaker 1: power who we call mutants.

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Speaker 4: Wanda is a kid who when she was pre pubescent

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 4: going into puberty, was in an incredibly stressful situation aka

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01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 4: about to be blown up by a bomb, and then

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Speaker 4: her powers manifested that my friends is called the X Men.

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Speaker 4: That's a story of every x Men, every mutant. That

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 4: is how it happens. So we're now living in a

1239
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 4: world post this where we not only have our first

1240
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Speaker 4: hero who was born with powers seemingly Wonder, but also

1241
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 4: Monica Rambo is actually like one of the few heroes

1242
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: who chose to get her powers. She walks through that

1243
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 4: hex at an absolute choice of self sacrifice. She is

1244
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 4: not doing it like Steve Rogers did, where he wanted

1245
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 4: to like save his country and become a hero. She

1246
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 4: is doing it because she cares about Wonder and she

1247
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 4: feels like she's doing the right thing, and then she

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Speaker 4: manifests these If it's anything like the comics, extremely powerful

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Speaker 4: powers that will see more of in the Marvels. So

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Speaker 4: that's another way that we know these shows are going

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Speaker 4: to have a long term impact.

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Speaker 3: So Yeah, and also these books.

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Speaker 4: It's important to say that this series takes incredibly heavily

1254
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 4: from two old comic.

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Speaker 3: Book series called The Vision and the Scarlet Witch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Vision in the Scarlet Witch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One is a four issue limited series, the other is

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Speaker 1: ran for twelve issues.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, and the four issue one by Bill

1261
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Speaker 4: Mantlow and Rick Leonardi.

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Speaker 3: That story is where.

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Speaker 4: They introduced the notion that Magneto is the father of

1264
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 4: Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, something a part of their history

1265
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 4: that is alluded to a lot in this show. They

1266
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 4: never say Magneto, but they have Easter eggs to Bova,

1267
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 4: the magical cowperson who raised them. In the comics. They

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Speaker 4: at the end where we see Wonder studying the Dark Hold,

1269
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 4: which is this book of chaos magic that has a

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Speaker 4: lot of connections to the Elder Gods and all these

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Speaker 4: different parts of the MCU and will likely be a

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Speaker 4: large part of Doctor Stranger in the Multiverse of Madness.

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Speaker 4: She is likely in Mount Wondergore, which is where she

1274
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 4: was raised as a child. So there is a lot

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Speaker 4: of this mutant X Men notion of naturally powered people

1276
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 4: being established here alongside, as you say, a government fueled

1277
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 4: and paid for animus against powered people, which we have

1278
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 4: talked about a lot, is not something that exists in

1279
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 4: the MCU.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's not something that is something they would have

1281
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: to essentially import to get all the kind of like

1282
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: emotional impact of what the X Men represent in the

1283
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: comics onto the screen. Also other Mutant slash x Men ties.

1284
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: They literally bring in yes, it's Ralph, Yes as Ralph Boner,

1285
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Speaker 1: the neighbors.

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: This is so fun.

1287
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: But they literally, you know, in Darcy's immortal words, they

1288
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 2: recast Pietro.

1289
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: They bring in Pietro Quicksilver from the X Men movies

1290
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Speaker 1: into this MCU Disney property for the first time, like

1291
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: underlining that connection Wanda and mutants, her connection to.

1292
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: The mutant community, her role in the mutant community.

1293
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: The fact that like she is part of a blue

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Speaker 1: blooded mutant family in the comic books. This even though

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: it essentially ends in a fake out when we discover

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 1: that this person is a creation, is like a wand

1297
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: of reality, melted creation that is that uses the body. Yeah,

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01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: but it's right, puppeted by Agatha and used by Ralph Bonner.

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01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: What is interesting is if you're following along with like

1300
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: the multiversal like kind of implications, where where would this

1301
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: visage of Pietro come from? Like right, right, that's the thing.

1302
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: It's it's not just like it's right, it is still

1303
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: the quicksilver from the X Men universe. Like, so that

1304
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: is telling you these mutants exist somewhere in a multiverse

1305
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: that is now connected to this one.

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 4: And also speaking about the multiversal stuff that that brilliant moment.

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Speaker 3: I love.

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01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 4: I love the final moment of this series, This stinger

1309
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 4: with Wonder and she's sitting with the hex Magic and

1310
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 4: the dark Holed and she's looking through it and her

1311
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 4: eyes kind of wandering through all these different realities. And

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01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 4: in that final moment we hear the voices of her kids,

1313
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 4: who shouldn't exist, right, because the kids do not exist.

1314
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 4: Just like in the comics, the kids were basically a

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01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 4: manifestation of something she wished she could have with Vision,

1316
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 4: and by the end of the show she has to

1317
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 4: say goodbye to them. She has to say goodbye to

1318
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 4: one version of Vision. Though another important thing that happens

1319
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 4: in this show is the reconstructed body of Vision that

1320
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 4: is created by Sword here called Gray Vision or White

1321
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,520
Speaker 4: Vision depending on your cannon. He appears, which what establishes

1322
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 4: that there is another Vision in the MCU who can

1323
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 4: be a part of Wonder's life in the future and

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 4: has had a long comic book history the pair of

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01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 4: them together.

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01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: More implications and just a kind of like you know,

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01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: this entire series is an exploration of how incredibly powerful

1328
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: and reality shifting has come. But part of that is

1329
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: she creates, as you say, her children just out of

1330
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: her own want and need to be a mother, right

1331
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: and her incredible power to shape reality. But she also

1332
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: creates her husband Vision like in the same exact way,

1333
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: and like, okay, you're thinking they're magic, they're not quote

1334
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: unquote real Vision. Then, who is again a complete creation

1335
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: of Wanda, downloads his memories into his old body, the

1336
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: White Vision body, and repopulates those memories which were stored

1337
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: recreated like kept somehow by Wanda and her abilities.

1338
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: I know that people know that we love the X Men.

1339
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, he keeps coming back to yes, But let's

1340
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 4: just say this is a woman who famously in the

1341
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 4: comics said no more mutants during House vem eraised most

1342
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 4: apart from like one hundred and eighteen mutants or something.

1343
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 4: And in this show they established the notion that not

1344
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 4: only can she control people right, she can create massively

1345
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 4: powered people out of nothing but her imagination and they

1346
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 4: exist within this bubble universe. But that does not mean

1347
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 4: to say that now she has a dark Hold, which

1348
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 4: is like the most powerful magical artifact that in the

1349
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: Marvel Comics universe.

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 3: At some points, there is not a.

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01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 4: Reason why she couldn't do that on a larger scale,

1352
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 4: why she could not be the one to bestow powers

1353
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 4: upon people, I mean her kids. We've said this before

1354
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 4: key parts of the Young Avengers. We will likely see

1355
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 4: them come again because one of the major conflicts we

1356
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 4: can assume that we'll play into Doctor Strange in the

1357
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 4: Multiverse of Madness. And another reason wander Vision is so

1358
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 4: important is Wonder will likely be looking for her kids.

1359
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 4: She wants the babies back, she wants them, she wants

1360
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 4: her family back together, and Billy and Tommy are the

1361
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 4: core of that. And in the comics, Billy and Tommy

1362
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: have long been away that has repriced. They've been a

1363
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 4: thing that has both represented and in the cause of

1364
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 4: Wonder's trauma, Wonder having like mental breakdowns, Wonder being manipulated

1365
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 4: by Mephisto, and that is probably why she's messing around

1366
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 4: to the point of creating problems. The reality is that

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 4: when we meet them again, and if we meet them

1368
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 4: in Multiverse of Madness or if we meet them later,

1369
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 4: they will be teenagers. They will be from a different

1370
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 4: reality where they have grown up, so they can join

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01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 4: Kate Bishop and Kamala Khan and whoever else that they're

1372
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: going to end up putting in the Young Avengers team.

1373
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 4: So it's kind of funny because I wonder Vision is

1374
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 4: after a year and a half of this kind of

1375
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 4: Marvel TV experiment, It's definitely my favorite show.

1376
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: From It's heartbreaking and amazing.

1377
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 4: It draws so much from the comics.

1378
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: It raw and some of the best Like here's the

1379
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: thing that I love about a Vision in the Scarlet

1380
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: which the limited series. In the series, right, you know,

1381
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, but I'm gonna say it again.

1382
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: I don't care. We usually think of.

1383
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: Like superhero stories as like this hero's journey to put

1384
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: like you, you are bestowed powers a character is it

1385
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: gets powers and through that journey, learns how to tame them,

1386
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: learns how to be a responsible wielder of his powers,

1387
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: and it's forever changed, right Wanda Vision the show and

1388
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: a vision in the Scarlet Witch are like a reversal

1389
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: of that. You have these people that have already done

1390
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: the hero's journey. They're powered up already, but they but

1391
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: it speaks to like a real yearning that people have

1392
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: to just like to beyond like being special and having powers.

1393
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: You want to feel special, but you also want to

1394
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: be accepted. Like they just want to live in a

1395
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: regular neighborhood and have a family like everybody else, and

1396
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: exist in a neighborhood like everybody else with anyone to

1397
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: just like that you.

1398
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 3: In love and yeah, be happy.

1399
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 4: And it's so smart to take the notion of like

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01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 4: superheroes and Subabia and.

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 3: Obviously like later on, you know.

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01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 4: Tom King and Gabriel Walter would do their Vision series,

1403
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 4: which it has some dodgy racist stuff in there actually,

1404
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 4: which is a shame, but generally I always I remember

1405
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 4: when that book came out, everyone was like, wow, this

1406
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 4: is like amazing, but actually like and it's great, I mean,

1407
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 4: especially the art and Michael Walsh does an issue that

1408
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 4: is just unreal that kind of recaps Scarlet Witch in

1409
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: visions relationship. But it's so funny because it's basically just

1410
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 4: a retread of what they did.

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01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 3: In this which happens a lot in comics.

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, that series is so brilliant, and I

1413
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 4: feel like this showed did such a great job of bringing.

1414
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 3: The first three episodes.

1415
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 4: You know, they had to release them all at the

1416
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 4: same time because they needed people to understand what was

1417
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 4: going on. It's superheroes in suburbia, it's superheroes in a sitcom.

1418
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 4: But then you get to that issue four and it

1419
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 4: just blows everything up and suddenly it's like, here's the blip,

1420
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 4: here's the characters that you're gonna need to know.

1421
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 3: That this show.

1422
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 4: I think it is safe to say we'll have the

1423
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,919
Speaker 4: most impact. Whether that will continue past more everse of Madness,

1424
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 4: I would say that if you want to know what's

1425
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 4: going on in that movie, it's worth rewatching the show

1426
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 4: or watching it for the first time.

1427
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: Let me ask you quickly about the Stingers. So in

1428
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: the Stinger of after the finale of the series, right,

1429
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: we go to some what appears to be like an

1430
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: Alaskan wilderness somewhere in the northern reaches of Canada. Right,

1431
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: it legitimately looks like the cabin that Bruce Banner holds

1432
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: up in at the end of.

1433
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 4: The Savin from Evil Dead, and the swooping shots look

1434
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 4: like the shining There's like so much great stuff and

1435
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 4: that like thirty seconds.

1436
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: But you know, much like Thanos having completed his work,

1437
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: Wanda is sitting, you know, having a cup of tea

1438
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: on the porch, goes inside, right, I guess, to get

1439
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: more tea, and then the camera kind of continues into

1440
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: the bedroom where we.

1441
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: See the scarlet which paging through the dark hole looking

1442
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: for kids. Did she make like, listen, you're a busy person.

1443
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm a busy person. We multitask.

1444
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: I have I right now have the next Celtics game

1445
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: on on my other screen as I'm talking to you,

1446
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: as I have like multiple pages open of docs that

1447
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm referencing.

1448
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: Would I like to have a secondary me? Yes?

1449
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: Do you think that?

1450
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: Do you think that Wanda much like we do with

1451
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: our one body, our terrible one, like awful one one

1452
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: little meat Papa body. Do you think that she was

1453
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: like you know, it does a lot of work looking

1454
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: for my kids throughout the infinite reaches of reality. What

1455
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: I need to do is make another me who will then,

1456
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, do all the work while I have tea

1457
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: on the porch.

1458
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: Do we think that's what Wanda did?

1459
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 3: So?

1460
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 4: I think that it is a I think that is

1461
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 4: essentially but I think that Wonder's powers are so strong

1462
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 4: that she realized she could essentially almost like astral project

1463
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 4: this column rich outside of herself to do the magic

1464
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 4: stuff while she does her own thing.

1465
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 3: Now, some somehow that has only just.

1466
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 4: Come to me, which feels so ridiculous because I think

1467
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 4: about this stuff way too much. It seems very simple

1468
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 4: to me that the issue that we are going to

1469
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 4: have in Multiverse of Madness is that split the sentient

1470
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,440
Speaker 4: astral project, the astral projection magic side of Wonder becomes

1471
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 4: its own thing through this search and want, and obviously

1472
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 4: it's Wonder, so it has the want for the children,

1473
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 4: but it maybe doesn't have the moral scope of the human.

1474
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:32,759
Speaker 3: Life that Wander has lived.

1475
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 4: And then that's why we end up potentially with a

1476
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 4: Wonder who is on the side of strange and a

1477
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 4: scarlet Witch as this, which would make a lot of

1478
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 4: sense as to why they essentially specified the Scarlet, which

1479
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 4: as almost its own entity, which is not really a

1480
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 4: thing in the comic. It's not like the Phoenix Force,

1481
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 4: this is very another day, but Scarlet, which is just

1482
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 4: dream gray and the Phoenix basically, and so interested. I'm

1483
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 4: so interested to see how they redefine her here to

1484
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 4: separate that as we move to an X Men type world.

1485
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 3: But I think that that I think we might have

1486
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: just cracked it.

1487
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 4: I think that Stinger is so key, and I do

1488
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 4: truly believe like in the comics, Wander and Pietro in

1489
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 4: this small part of Cannon that's been reckcon but I

1490
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 4: love it. They're raised in that Wondergore where the High

1491
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 4: Evolutionary is a scientist who's made all these human animal hybrids,

1492
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 4: and they're raised by this cow human hybrid ll Bova.

1493
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 4: And this feels to me like Wander is gone to

1494
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 4: a Mount Wondergore esque location, somewhere where.

1495
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: She can be quiet.

1496
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be surprised.

1497
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to see animal human hybrids,

1498
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 4: though we are going to see Rintros, so it's kind

1499
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 4: of closer to Bova than I thought.

1500
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we're watching the animal human hybrids kind of

1501
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: in Moonlight Like I highly so, but still it is

1502
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: a thing we're seeing.

1503
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 3: I think there's I think there's space to delve deeper.

1504
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 4: So you know, people always say to us like, hey,

1505
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 4: what comics should we read? And I think that this

1506
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 4: if you can go they.

1507
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 3: Do collections of these.

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Speaker 4: If you can get that those two the Forest U

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01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 4: mini series by Bill Mantlo and Rick Leonardi, and then

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01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 4: the Steve Engelhart longer twelve issue.

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Speaker 3: Series, you will really get.

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Speaker 4: It's a really nice accompaniment to Wonder Vision, but it's

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 4: also one it's just brilliant comics, but also it's gonna

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01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 4: lead in to Multiverse of Madness and play a kind

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 4: of role in how we see wonder and the return

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01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 4: of Vision, which is.

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Speaker 3: Are we gonna see Vision and Multiverse of Madness? I

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 3: don't know.

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: I think White Vision is gonna be around like for

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01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: a while, right, Like it's certainly like the body is back,

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01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: and certain the personality we would assume is gonna be

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01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: somewhat different and more robotic, but like he's around. One

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01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to bring up is the end credits, Like,

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: so this is a show Wana Vision that uh just

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: brings you into the story after a short like catch up,

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: no credits, and then the credits happen at the end

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01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: of the story. And the credits, of course are this

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01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: kind of like television screen, very stylized with these kind

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01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 1: of like shapes of color, and the colors are like red, green, blue,

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01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: representing you know, depending on how you want to how

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01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: you want to interpret it, certainly red for our friend Wanda,

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01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: green for Vision, and blue for who. So there's a

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01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: part in the in the end credits where you see

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01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: these this little like pill made up of three separate

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01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of like squares of color, right, and it kind.

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01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: Of like flips through the screen.

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01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: One side is red and the other side is is red, green, blue,

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01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: Red for Wanda, blue for for Billy, green for Tommy

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01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 1: or Vision or Quicksilver. Right, and then as it spins,

1540
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: it spins, spin, spins, and then both sides are red,

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01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, symbolizing in my interpretation that it's all Wanda.

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01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: Wanda's creating all of this, it's it all comes back

1543
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: to her, just another uh kind of like manifestation of

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01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: how like reality shifting powerful Wanda has become, uh, and

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01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: how that that will impact the movies in major ways,

1546
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: because you can't create someone who is this powerful without

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01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: it having having a lot of really really severe effects.

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01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 4: You know, I was just gonna say as well, something

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01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 4: we kind of didn't touch on. Kafrn Hahn as Agatha

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01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 4: Harkness so amazing like iconic Marvel character, witchy icon legend.

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01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 4: I will just say, if we're talking about ways that

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01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 4: can impact in the future, Agatha Howkness was first introduced

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01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 4: as a babysitter for the Fantastic Fours Kids, that is

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01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 4: a big is a big going to have. It's kind

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01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 4: of like fun Agatha Howkness TV series with kafrn Hahn,

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 4: And I just think with Kang in the picture, we

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01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 4: shouldn't be surprised if we start to see that stuff

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01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 4: coming sooner rather than later, because these.

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01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 3: These characters who seem secondary, and I mean that would

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01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 3: include Wonder and Vision too, like in the pre MCU times,

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01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 3: they are heralding massive changes in the MCU. And Catherine, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, they gave her that series because she was so

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01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 4: brilliant and people loved her and that absolute banger of

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01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 4: a song it was Agatha all along.

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01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 5: Everything.

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01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 3: But like I think that that is a really big

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01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 3: deal and another kind of fun thing.

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Speaker 4: I thought for a little time that Kang may have

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01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,759
Speaker 4: been the big bad in Wonder vision.

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 3: I was a little bit early, apparently because that was Loki.

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01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 4: But that in the issue where they reveal that Wonder

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01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 4: is the Nexus Being, the reason we find out is

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01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 4: because Kang wants to marry Wander and be in partnership

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01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 4: with this Nexus being the most powerful being that can

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01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 4: connect to every single reality and timeline in the multiverse.

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01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 4: So while I don't think they're gonna do like a

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01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 4: weird Kang hypnotizes Wander marriage is a slightly problem right,

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01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 4: But I do think that as we move into Multiverse

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01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 4: of Madness, we are going to see that aspect of

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01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 4: Wonder the Nexus Being aspect, and potentially Kang is the

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01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 4: king of the Timelines. In all his different forms, there

1582
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 4: has been a version of him who has cared about them,

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01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 4: who's wanted to prune them, who's wanted to take them over.

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01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 3: So while I don't know if Kang is.

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01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 4: Going to be in the major storyline of Multiverse of Madness,

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01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Kang style.

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01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: Kang style stinger.

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01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Kang's gotta be the stinger, right, because I keep thinking,

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01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, with with the Love and Thunder trailer kind

1590
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: of off topic, but like on topic, where's King.

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've intro tang Or we.

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01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: Expect him anyway to be the big bad Thanos of

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01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: this phase, right, he was not in no way Home

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01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: is not in certainly from what we have seen, Multiverse

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01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: of madis except maybe he's in the stinger, but certainly

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01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: there's been nothing to suggest that he's there. Is not

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01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: in Love and Thunder from what we've seen, and we

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01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: know Gore.

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01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: Is going to be the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: So in order to keep that thread going, I would

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01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: expect both Multiverse A Madnis and thor Love and Thunder

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01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: to have some sort of either one or both to

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01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: have some sort of tang centric stinger, because how else

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01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 1: are they going to keep this thread of Hey, remember that.

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01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: Guy and he was so good.

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01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 4: Jonathan Major's was so brilliant, and that final episode of

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01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,799
Speaker 4: Low Ki is my favorite episode just because of how

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01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 4: wonderful he is, and I think the first two episodes

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01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 4: of that series are like stellar, but his performance is

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01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,480
Speaker 4: so brilliant, and we know he's going to be in Quantumania,

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01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 4: so it would make sense to start receding that. I

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01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 4: think to kind of tragicy likelihood is that whatever happens

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01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 4: in multiverse of madness and the kind of cosmic implications

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01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 4: and notion of the power of wonder going through the

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01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 4: multiverse destroying it, creating whichever one happens, it could be

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Speaker 4: that that is what alerts, yeah, the Kang in the

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01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 4: past to the multiverse, and then we could end up

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01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 4: in a situation where they're trying to stop that Kang

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01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 4: from pruning the multiverse, you know. So I think it

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01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 4: could be something like that where retroactively we are seeing

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01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 4: the thing that made Kang Kang. I think that could

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01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 4: kind of be it, because the amount of power Wander

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01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,839
Speaker 4: has should have already alerted some people to some things

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01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 4: from one division, and it seems like it's only getting

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01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 4: more powerful.

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01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I guess there is a world in which we do

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01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: see Jonathan Major's as either doctor Room Mari read Richards

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01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: as a member.

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01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 2: Of the Romans.

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01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: I would love to see it, and that just Shane's

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01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: in the multiverse a menace which comes up me six.

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Speaker 1: This has been a super fun conversation. I can't wait

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01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: to talk more about this up next.

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Speaker 2: Nerd out.

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01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: In Today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you

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01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: love and why. Steve pitches us on the works of

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01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,440
Speaker 1: Brandon Sanderson.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Jason, and Steve my nerd Out Submission are the

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01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:26,520
Speaker 7: books written by Brandon Sanderson. Brandon is probably, in my opinion,

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01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 7: the best fantasy writer out there right now, and it's

1641
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 7: not even close. When Brandon first started writing, he took

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01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 7: over the Wheel of Time series for Robert Jordan, and

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01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 7: in my opinion, did a great job of finishing that up.

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01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 7: But the Wheel of Time is not what I'm recommending.

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01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 7: I'm recommending Brandon's own works and something called the Cosmere.

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01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 7: The Cosmere is the universe where multiple series that Brandon

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01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 7: is writing take place. He has his main series called

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01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 7: The Stormlight Archive that currently has four books out, with

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01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:07,560
Speaker 7: the fifth to next Fall or Winter. He also has Misborn.

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01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 7: This is a already completed trilogy that can be read at

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01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 7: any time. There is a follow up trilogy to Missborn

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01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 7: called the Waxen Wayne Series with three more books, with

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01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 7: a fourth completed this fall and then. Brandon also has

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01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 7: a few standalone books that aren't part of a series

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01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 7: but take place in the same universe known as the Cosmere.

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01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 7: Brandon's world building and magic systems he creates for his

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01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 7: books are just amazing. The guy does not lack for ideas.

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01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 7: He loves to give you the unexpected. I can't tell

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01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 7: you how many times I'll read his works expecting.

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01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 5: X to happen, only to get why.

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01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 7: He is known for just going with the unexpected, turning

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01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 7: a trope on its head so you get something completely new.

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01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 7: What's cool about the Cosmere is that each series can

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01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 7: stand on its own and you're not required to read

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01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 7: anything else. But some of his characters are known to

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01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 7: pop up in other book series under different names, and

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01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 7: it's up to you, the reader, to figure out who

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01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 7: they are and when they show up. I first discovered

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01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 7: Brandon's books while I was tired of rereading A Song

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01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 7: of Ice and Fire and waiting and waiting for Winds

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01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 7: of Winter. And during that weight I came across the

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01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 7: first book in the storm Light Archive and I was

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01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 7: hooked immediately. The storm Light books are great. They're a

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01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 7: lot to dig into, as each book is about a

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01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 7: thousand pages. I would recommend starting with the Misborn trilogy.

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01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 7: Each book is about five or six hundred pages. The

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01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 7: main character of Vin is this badass nineteen year old girl,

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01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 7: and I'll leave it for you to find out what

1679
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 7: happens to her. I think what's best about Brandon is

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01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 7: he just loves to give back to the fan community.

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01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,799
Speaker 7: He is the anti Martin. All he does is rights

1682
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 7: and puts out content. He just broke records on Kickstarter,

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01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 7: raising forty million dollars because he wrote four novels in

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01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 7: secret during the pandemic. In addition to all the other

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01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 7: stuff he was working on, he found the time to

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01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 7: write four new books, and his fans were just stoked

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01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 7: and gobbled it up. I can't say enough about the guy.

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01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 7: He's He's great, His books are great, and you won't

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01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 7: be disappointed with anything you read.

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01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: Thanks Steve submitting.

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01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: If you want to be featured, send you nerdout pitched

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01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: to x ray at cricket dot com instructions in the

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01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: show notes. I should add if you're a fan of

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01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Brandon Sanderson, he's got a great YouTube channel in which

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01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: he posts a lot of his lectures about how he

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01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: goes about writing fantasy, and I found them very useful

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01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: over time. Big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining

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01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 1: us on x ray Vision. Rosie we couldn't have done

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01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: it without you. Once again, what have you to plug

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01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: for us this week?

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01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 3: Hello again, it's me.

1702
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 4: I always answer that like I've been away for a while.

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01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, Hi, it's a Rosy night. I'm on the show.

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01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you can follow me on Instagram. I've been

1705
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 4: doing my usual Easter eggs for Moonnight at Nerdist. I

1706
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 4: do cool comic book stuff at Polygons. I'm hopefully going

1707
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 4: to have some really cool stuff coming out there soon.

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01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 4: I also have a letterbox where I've been very good

1709
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 4: this year about actually hosting what I watch.

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Speaker 3: And also, if you.

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Speaker 4: Want to dig more into Wandervision, my wand division coverage

1712
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 4: at Nerdist was extensive and that is an understatement. So

1713
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 4: there's every kind of theory explainer, reading list, there's reading

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Speaker 4: lists based on issue numbers that are in Easter eggs

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Speaker 4: in the show. There's all different kinds of stuff that

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01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 4: I think is I'm really proud of that era. This

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01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 4: show is very it was very special to me, so

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01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 4: that was definitely fun. An update is that, Yeah, while

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01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 4: I cannot announce the exact day my comic does, it does.

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Speaker 3: Have a new release day which is slightly.

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Speaker 4: Later and hopefully the IDW, the publisher will do a

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Speaker 4: huge It's gonna do a big announcement soon and then

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Speaker 4: we will be able to let you know when you

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Speaker 4: can pre order it, when me and Oliver will be

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Speaker 4: doing signings and all kinds of other fun stuff that

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Speaker 4: we will tell you about.

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Speaker 1: And I yes, a lot of fun stuff that we

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Speaker 1: will tell you about. Check out our videos on the

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Speaker 1: Uncultured YouTube channel and the show notes for the listeners

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Speaker 1: guide x ray Vision, where you can find all the

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Speaker 1: details about what we talk about, and you can pick and.

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Speaker 2: Choose what you want to hear about depending on your.

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Speaker 1: Spoilers, your interest level, et cetera. Catch the next episode

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Speaker 1: on April twenty nine, when our good friend Cody Ziggler

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Speaker 1: of Spier Punk Fame of chathlt Fame joins us again,

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Speaker 1: and of course a more Doctor Strange prep coming up

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Speaker 1: next week. Don't forget, folks, Like the Dark Hole says,

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Speaker 1: you must give us five stars or the hecks will

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Speaker 1: fall upon you forever.

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Speaker 2: And ever and ever.

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Speaker 1: As Conshu says, don't forget the five star ratings. Wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcast, folks. X ray Vision is a

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Speaker 1: Crooked media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord

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Speaker 1: and Saul Rubin. The show is executive produced by myself

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Speaker 1: and Sandy's Rhard Are. Editing and sound design ins by

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Speaker 1: Facilli's Patopoulos. Dellan Villanueva and Matcit Group provide video production support,

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Speaker 1: and Alex Rella for Handle Social Media. Thank you Brian

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Speaker 1: Vasquez for a theme music, Goodbye