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Speaker 1: This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,

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Speaker 1: Anthony dor Sat, de Montree Moore, and newly scrugs.

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Speaker 3: Yo, what you do.

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Speaker 4: It's the Player's Lounges. Yeah, we're back in the house again,

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Speaker 4: and you know what it is. It's some former players

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Speaker 4: talking a little bit of football. I got in here

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Speaker 4: with me today, my man Demontre Moore, me and my

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Speaker 4: boy Jesse Holly. Oh yes, yes, yes, he's in the building,

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Speaker 4: and so you know, we we we normally take our

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Speaker 4: take our time to get it to get into things,

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Speaker 4: but we're just gonna have to jump right into right now.

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Speaker 4: On who I'm sorry and it's my name is Anthony

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Speaker 4: Dors said, yes, and this is the Players Lindes, brought

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Speaker 4: to you by Risk the Crack Gaming. Not bad, but

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Speaker 4: I'm just a little bit excited.

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Speaker 5: About the news. You know, we'll tell me more so.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard, and I'm.

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Speaker 4: Sure everybody out there has heard already that the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: just released Trayvon Diggs of course, you know, we've got

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Speaker 4: one game left in the season, a few days left

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Speaker 4: in the building. But for some reason they felt like

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Speaker 4: this is something that needs to be done on the

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Speaker 4: day off, and uh, you know, needless to say. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's a surprising move, but I'm sure a

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Speaker 4: lot of people are not surprised by the move. Just

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Speaker 4: about happening at this time of the season. Of course, now,

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Speaker 4: you know, with with with everything going into it, and

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Speaker 4: I know you guys had a chance to talk about

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Speaker 4: a little bit earlier hanging.

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Speaker 3: With the boys. But what what is what is this message?

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Speaker 4: What is this being said right now by making this

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Speaker 4: move right now at this point in the time of

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Speaker 4: the season we said days left.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jesse, what are you getting from this.

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Speaker 6: As far as a locker room to meet nothing? As

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Speaker 6: you guys all know, this isn't just performance, you know.

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Speaker 6: Clarence HILLDLS reported yesterday that one of her socials told

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Speaker 6: him that there was a This was a culmination of

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Speaker 6: things that have happened over the course of the year,

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Speaker 6: some of it having to do with play, some of

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Speaker 6: it having to do with training and rehabbing, something having

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Speaker 6: to do with attitude and of course we have the

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Speaker 6: off the field heal that's happening as well with Trayvon

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Speaker 6: dis It's it's it's a it's a culmination of all

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Speaker 6: of these things. And you know, I've had people, you know,

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Speaker 6: tell me and talk to me about things of and

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Speaker 6: you guys understand this where the outside don't hear what

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Speaker 6: it sounds like in a defensive back meeting room when

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Speaker 6: he's telling the coach something or when it's an offensive

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Speaker 6: defensive meeting and he laying into the defensive coordinator in

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Speaker 6: front of the room.

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Speaker 7: I've been in them.

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Speaker 6: I've been in those meeting I've been in meetings one

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Speaker 6: of in particular my rookie year, uh, you know, and

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Speaker 6: and hearing hearing T. J. Huschman's outa tell our wide

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Speaker 6: receiver coach that you know, hey man, if you stop

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Speaker 6: bothering me about this, I'll stop telling them that you

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Speaker 6: don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 7: And I'm a rookie and I'm a rookie, and I'm like,

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Speaker 7: is this how this goes?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 6: Here seeing Chad Johnson answer a cell phone in a

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Speaker 6: meeting room, me like, hold on, coach and answer his

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Speaker 6: cell phone. And I'm like so it's those type of

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Speaker 6: things that you don't see, you know, over the course

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Speaker 6: of time. You know that that was talked about, that

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Speaker 6: surprised at it. I think people didn't expect it to

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Speaker 6: every everybody knew this was this was this was a

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Speaker 6: part of what was going to happen to Trayvon Diggs

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Speaker 6: in his future with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: Man definitely, we said, we said, what's that old saying

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Speaker 8: they used to have The roosters are coming home to

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Speaker 8: crow like you said, this is a combination of things.

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Speaker 5: It's the last game before the season.

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Speaker 8: You're just not getting active, you're getting off ir like

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Speaker 8: we've all said it that on the show plenty of times.

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Speaker 8: You come to the players lounges to hear perspective when

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Speaker 8: you're coming off of injury. If you're that guy that

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Speaker 8: Something has been building up, whether it's a combination of

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Speaker 8: a bogo sell. Everything must go right now. And the

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Speaker 8: one thing we can speculate why happened, how it happened,

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Speaker 5: Over with and on on your off day like it

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Speaker 5: is what it is.

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Speaker 8: And so with that being said, the one thing that

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Speaker 8: is clear, you didn't do enough to stay here, because

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Speaker 8: we all know that if you're good enough, they're going

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Speaker 8: to keep you around no matter what.

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Speaker 5: At least they're.

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Speaker 8: Gonna say, hey, you know what, we didn't have you

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Speaker 8: here on the game. For viewers that don't know about that,

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Speaker 8: once you become a VET and you become vested after

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Speaker 8: you've been active for three games, your whole contract is

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Speaker 8: guaranteed as a player. So if I get cut, I

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Speaker 8: can say, hey that year, let for that season, I

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Speaker 8: could say, you know what, cut me, I still get

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Speaker 8: this money.

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Speaker 5: So nine times out of ten, with most vets, if.

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Speaker 8: You're on the roster for that time here, the organization

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Speaker 8: is going to keep you on the roster. So you

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Speaker 8: didn't do Your play wasn't good enough. And that's the thing.

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Speaker 8: When your play or when you're when everything else outweighs

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Speaker 8: just showed that he was very extendable.

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Speaker 6: And to your point, Trayvon Diggs, if he is claimed

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Speaker 6: off waivers, right, whoever team that picks him up will

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Speaker 6: have to pay the four hundred and twenty something thousand

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Speaker 6: is what would be old to him if a team

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Speaker 6: those who may not be aware of how the waiver

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Speaker 6: wire works, right, because there's a difference between being you know,

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: When you have a guy that's cut, that means he

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Speaker 6: now is free to go and to sign anywhere that

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Speaker 6: so takes last year's draft order whatever however that broke down, right,

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Speaker 6: And then now from team thirty two to one, they

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Speaker 6: all get a chance to say yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.

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Speaker 6: If everybody says no, and you make it through the waivers,

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Speaker 6: now you become basically an unrestricted free agent where you

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Speaker 6: to go through every single team has to say yes

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Speaker 6: or no, well one or the other.

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Speaker 7: And before you get to that point.

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Speaker 8: And if they claim you they are responsible for your contract,

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Speaker 8: the contract they they on mistaken. He's still under contract

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Speaker 8: until twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, no more guaranteed money.

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Speaker 5: Don't correct, No more guarantee.

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Speaker 8: But if somebody picks it up and they just say, hey,

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Speaker 8: we want to keep you for this right here, we

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Speaker 7: It doing that, Yeah, they can do.

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Speaker 8: We got we're going to have the we have the

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Speaker 4: Now, the crazy part about it is when you say,

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Speaker 4: have their first pick at him. Correct, all right, but

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Speaker 4: I mean. I think jay Z and Too Short had

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And and he's been in the locker room up until

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And to me, it was more of a statement about

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Speaker 4: I felt like it was more of a character statement

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Speaker 4: And you know, like like you try to hit onto

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because the biggest thing is that Trayvon has been

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Speaker 6: Trayvon since we started watching this thing unfolding training camp,

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Speaker 6: when the whole thing about him not collecting the five

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Speaker 6: escalator in his contract, and then the conversation began there

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Speaker 6: This is a thing that has been building for some

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: And you know I made light of it and hanging

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Speaker 4: Right, Hey the TV show, now, you know we jumped

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Speaker 7: So of course Trayvon Diggs is being released, right, and

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Speaker 5: Lieta David.

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Speaker 6: Structure, Let's restructure this deal. Let's now take this thing

440
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 6: and make it a two year deal. Let's add a

441
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 6: little bit of money up front, Let's get some little

442
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 6: guarantees back on there. Because the last place you want

443
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 6: your client to be is on a contract with no

444
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 6: more guaranteed money. Right now, the team has kind of

445
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 6: like all the control with no guaranteed money on this.

446
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 6: So David wants to come in there, make this thing

447
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 6: a little bit sweet, because I think Trayvon is on

448
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 6: the hook next year. His salary is like thirteen or

449
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 6: fourteen million dollars or something like that in that ballpark

450
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 6: next year, So he may want to bring this together

451
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 6: and say, hey, let's just do a two year Let's

452
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 6: do a two year, twenty something million dollar deal. Let's

453
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 6: make it fifteen twenty million dollars guaranteed, and we'll move

454
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 6: from there. And they start kind of and I can

455
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 6: see Trayvon with with David mulugette as his agent, moving

456
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 6: how Durrell Revas moved back in the day. I'm not

457
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 6: calling Trayvon Devesdreelrivis. I'm not calling Trayvon de Deureel Rivers.

458
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 6: But Darrell Reevers became a mercenary, he became a higher

459
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 6: hit man, and he started doing a bunch of these.

460
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 6: One year, did one year seventeen million, one year twenty million.

461
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 6: He'll have a great year. He bout somewhere else, He'll

462
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 6: do another one year, And at the end of it all,

463
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 6: he ended up coming out of the thing with over

464
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 6: one hundred million dollars of guaranteed money that he had

465
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Speaker 6: generated by being a one year mercenary.

466
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 7: Across the league.

467
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 6: So I could see Trayvon kind of taking that route

468
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 6: for the next couple of years until a team decided,

469
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 6: if fifteen decide they want to sign him long term.

470
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 7: If not, just keep being a one year higher hit man.

471
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 6: Fifteen mil, fifteen mil, fifteen mil, fifteen mil. You keep

472
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 6: doing that enough times, man, you look up, you got

473
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 6: ten years in the league. I mean, he's already made

474
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 6: a boatload of money in the front end, So everything

475
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 6: now for him is just kind of icing on the cake.

476
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 6: You know what, I'm saying, cherry on top, I can

477
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 6: go get fifteen twenty million dollars for the next four

478
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 6: or five years. You look up, that's another one hundred

479
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 6: million dollars.

480
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 5: It is, But.

481
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Speaker 8: It's not reus were talking about, like we we're talking

482
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 8: about a good agent, talking about I know we're talking

483
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 8: about it an agent, but like, at what time do

484
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 8: you stop overpaying it? Like, yes, he's done what he

485
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 8: has done to get him paid to this point.

486
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 5: Is there somebody out there there's desperate enough.

487
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 8: That's going to say, hey, can you get back to

488
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 8: your stardom days and we might overpay you. Yeah, but

489
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 8: that's gonna be at best one year then after that, Like,

490
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 8: I don't say that.

491
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Speaker 6: I don't think of one year fourteen to fifteen million

492
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 6: dollar deals overpaid.

493
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 5: It's it's not to the right getting more.

494
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 6: Than that, like Rivers was getting more on the like

495
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 6: in his time, he might have been getting fifteen seventeen

496
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 6: to twenty million dollars back. Now again, this is ten

497
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 6: years ago, fifteen years of dollars ago, right, that was

498
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 6: high end, top level dollars.

499
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: That would be good money for digs right now today period.

500
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 8: I mean it would be good money for him, But

501
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 8: I don't see him getting that multiple times that not

502
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 8: like you said, he had one year where it was like, Okay,

503
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 8: you came out rookie year, you know, we tried something new,

504
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 8: you make a position change, and like, oh there's potential,

505
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 8: there's upside, and then the next year it's like, hmm,

506
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 8: guess what. You go out here and you lead the

507
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 8: league in picks and stuff like that. But after that,

508
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 8: it ain't like you led the league in uh, you know, PBUs.

509
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 8: It ain't like you led the league and came close

510
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 8: to the leading the league and picks. Again, it's not

511
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 8: like you've been known for being a blamer. So it's

512
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 8: just kind of like, at what point in time does

513
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 8: your value start to so?

514
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 6: Okay, So right now they're saying elite corners. We're talking about.

515
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 12: Like you know, Patrick Stained, Stingley, Czy Horn, which by

516
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 12: the way, they're represented by day will Agin, So like Stingley,

517
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 12: I think J. C.

518
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 7: Horn, I knowingly maybe all three of them.

519
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 5: A Horn is still so you.

520
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 6: Know those guys, those guys are averaging on the upwards

521
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 6: of like twenty four twenty five million dollars a year,

522
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 6: and then they put they put kind of put in

523
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 6: a high end starter brings in a bring anywhere between

524
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 6: ten and fifteen million dollars per year. A mid range

525
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 6: to average starter brings in about five to nine million

526
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 6: dollars a year. So I don't know where you're gonna

527
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 6: put Trayvon in that second one. And that if he's

528
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 6: in the highest starter, as I said, he's in that

529
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 6: ten to fifteen millis, I'm talking about five nine million dollars.

530
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 5: I'm doing five to nine because you haven't. You haven't.

531
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 5: It's just like a prison term. Man, Hey, what have

532
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: you done five to nine? Right now?

533
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 8: Like in these last few years I've seen the stat

534
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 8: was he hasn't in the last two years, he hasn't

535
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 8: played over ten games, right Like, You've only appeared in

536
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 8: what eight and I forgot what the other number was,

537
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 8: and then the year before that you were in I

538
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 8: think that said it was thirteen games something like that.

539
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 8: So it's just like, in three years, you haven't given

540
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 8: me a full you haven't given me a full workload.

541
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 8: You can't show me that you handle that. So it's

542
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 8: like I'm paying you for those probos you got beforehand.

543
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we got question, But then you go out

544
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: there and you get that agent too as well, and

545
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: that agent comes with a gang of relationships, you know,

546
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: a gang of contacts we already know, so like in that,

547
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 4: you know, Diggs is putting himself into a position with

548
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 4: his agent that has a little bit of leverage to

549
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like we talk about,

550
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 4: like he hasn't played, He hasn't played that much, and

551
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 4: the stuff that's been out there hasn't been his best

552
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 4: video that he's put out there. So that's at that

553
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: point in time, you know, you're going to have to

554
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: have an agent that can honestly speak to your behalf

555
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: and kind of massage the situation a little bit more

556
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 4: to try to get you upwards into that and from

557
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 4: that lower range into that higher range if he's looking

558
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: for that, because we already know, like I'm sure, without

559
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: without question, he considers himself to be one of the

560
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: top corners in the NFL right now.

561
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 8: Just because you consider yourself as two different things. Agent,

562
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 8: the guy that's going to sell you has to believe it,

563
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 8: you know that. And with that being said, I look

564
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 8: at these two guys.

565
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 5: David he's the guy.

566
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 8: He's one of the best agents that's out there right now,

567
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 8: but also with being those guys, He've had some guys

568
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 8: that are cooperative, that are good clients, and then you

569
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 8: know you got Michael Parsons those guys like that. But

570
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 8: what about some of those other guys that have been

571
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 8: high personalities that didn't work out or that's been stronger,

572
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 8: Say hey, they feel like they're one.

573
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 5: Of those guys.

574
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 8: Because we all know Digs to be a strong, strong guy,

575
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 8: a strong personality between him and his brother, it has

576
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 8: been proving time and time again.

577
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 5: So I wonder, how is this going to work out

578
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 5: with the agent.

579
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 8: Is the agent's gonna just sit here and say this

580
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 8: is a money grab or like cause you got to

581
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 8: go in there and sell them.

582
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 5: And also with selling.

583
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 8: Them, like you said, just like you get relationships that

584
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 8: come with that getting your agents, you also get those

585
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 8: same connections whether they're good or bad, that.

586
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 5: It's come with that, and vice versa.

587
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 8: With him getting that player, he got those same good

588
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 8: connections and bad connections that are gonna come with that.

589
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 8: So it's not just as peaches and roses not peaches

590
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 8: and cream. When I say, when you sit here and say, hey,

591
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 8: he can come demand start up money and this and that,

592
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 8: because look how it ended here with Michael Parson, his

593
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 8: last client that was here like that.

594
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 5: What's not to.

595
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 8: Say that when you're coming out of this building, what's

596
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 8: gonna come with you outside of the building, The stats,

597
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 8: the reputations.

598
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 6: Let me just give you a rundown of David malou

599
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 6: Guetta's current defensive back clients. I'll start from the least

600
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 6: and work our way to the top. Jack Jones out

601
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 6: of Miami's making one point one million dollars. Noah in Monogny,

602
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 6: and I think he's in Washington and somewhere else now

603
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 6: one point five million dollars. Will Johnson Arizona making two

604
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 6: point three million dollars, Eric Stokes of the Vegas Raiders

605
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 6: making three point five million dollars, Johnny Baron of Denver

606
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: full point five. Kenny Moore Indianapolis ten million dollars.

607
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: That's my boy.

608
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 6: Brandon Stevens of the Jets twelve million dollars. DJ Reid

609
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 6: of the Detroit Lions sixteen million dollars, Carl Davis eighteen

610
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 6: million dollars in the new Ngald Patris aj Terrell a

611
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 6: loant of Falcons, He's making twenty Jalen Ramsey of Pittsburgh

612
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 6: twenty one point one, j C. Horn twenty five, Derek

613
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 6: Stingley thirty. So those are the clients that you don't have.

614
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 5: Minco no more, I thought at one point in time.

615
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 7: But yeah, so those those are the clients right now.

616
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 6: From from a DB's perspective, let me look at safeties,

617
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 6: and he has a bunch of safeties as well.

618
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean, if we he kind of reminds me of

619
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: like when Drew roseen House was at.

620
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 6: And so that's the guy who's walking in the door

621
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 6: and saying I need this and not not because it's

622
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 6: it's Traymon Day. A lot of times that agent has

623
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 6: that ability to kind of move that needle a little

624
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 6: bit because you're gonna want another guy that he may

625
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 6: have on your roster that might need to get signed

626
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 6: or wants to get signed off, some guy that's about

627
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 6: to come out in the draft.

628
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 7: This ship he's.

629
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 6: Probably gonna have at athletes first. So it's always about

630
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 6: like you know, give or take a two to three

631
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 6: million dollar deal here because you're gonna make sure that

632
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 6: I resigned this dude and he doesn't go out in

633
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 6: the free agent market whenever he comes to free it.

634
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 7: So it's always that give and take. But those are

635
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 7: some of.

636
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 6: The names that David malo Guetta has on his ledger

637
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 6: right now and then number that they're looking at. So

638
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 6: he has a bunch of guys at that ten million

639
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: plus thresholding aren't first year guys.

640
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 8: That's gonna be the biggest asset for him. And it

641
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 8: has been time and time or David has proved it

642
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 8: time and time again, back from my tenure when I

643
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 8: was signed with Athletes first and Joby Bryan was over

644
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 8: there with them. Guy like, he has done a great

645
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 8: job at keeping a stable and to leverage that, and

646
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 8: that's been one of his key calling cards. And so

647
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 8: like you said, if I'm Trayvon Diggs, hey I'm talking

648
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 8: to him. Hey I'm on this roster. But like you said,

649
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 8: if I see myself like those other guys use that

650
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 8: as leverage, you're going somewhere else and saying hey can

651
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 8: we come get that, And it's tend to work out

652
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 8: for him.

653
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 5: So I hope it works out for him now.

654
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 8: And the one thing I guess that's really the most

655
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 8: puzzling thing coming out of this equation and Jesse, you

656
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 8: know you're a fat guy. See over there on your phone.

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Speaker 8: How's this going to affect the cellary cap? And like

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Speaker 8: obviously he didn't have no more dead money and stuff

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Speaker 8: like that. But with the Cowboys cutting them at this time,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that was gonna happen regardless, so they don't

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Speaker 8: Does does any of that get offseted if he gets

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Speaker 8: It is done. So the debt money is there or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's pretty much done with that.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 8: Yes, not just on the field, beyond the game. Help

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you know, everything has been about.

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Speaker 4: Digs up to this point, and we we we've more

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Speaker 4: or less not talked about the rest of the team,

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Speaker 4: and regardless of what's going on on this Tuesday, they

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Speaker 4: still got to play a game, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: And it's and it's going into the last game in

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Speaker 4: the season. They already know they've been eliminated from the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: of course, And you know, I think that we've all

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Speaker 4: probably played in the game like this at one point

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Speaker 4: in time through our through our careers. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: what's trade what what what's what's your mindset? You know,

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Speaker 4: knowing that the season is over, prepping for this last game,

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Speaker 4: take take their fans through it so they can understand as.

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Speaker 8: A player, I'm gonna take them through there as the guy.

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Speaker 8: And if I had to go into the media, I'm

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Speaker 8: gonna say everything that's right. It's about the game and

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Speaker 8: it's about winning. But you know, they used to always

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Speaker 8: say back in the day, there ain't no I in team,

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Speaker 8: but they're damn sure is a meat And at this

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Speaker 8: point the last game, it is about me. And when

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Speaker 8: I say me, I need to be the best me

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Speaker 8: that I can be because it's not about just am

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Speaker 8: I gonna be here and what I'm doing for the

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Speaker 8: Dallas Cowboys. There's thirty one other teams that you're gonna

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Speaker 8: be interviewing for. Hopefully you are here because nobody wants

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Speaker 8: to move and all that, and you want to have

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Speaker 8: that certainty. But you're earning stuff. They just showed you

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Speaker 8: that one of the highest players on the team, if

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Speaker 8: not the high No he's not the highest Dack is,

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Speaker 8: but one of the highest players.

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Speaker 5: He was extendable. He's out of here.

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Speaker 8: They've been training for people, and on a losing organization,

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Speaker 8: everybody can leave. So for me, I'm going out there

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Speaker 8: and I'm trying to put up the stats of my

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Speaker 8: life within the system playing for the DC. And you

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Speaker 8: gotta look at that too, because as a player.

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Speaker 5: Y'all know how it is.

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Speaker 8: Once we see at the end of the year, we

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Speaker 8: know the defensive coordinator is gonna be back here next year,

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Speaker 8: so I need to impress him to make sure I

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Speaker 8: make the place for him.

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Speaker 5: Oh, the OC's gonna be back here. Let me impress him.

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Speaker 8: He's not gonna be back here, but let me just

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Speaker 8: go out here and make enough place to where it

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Speaker 5: And everybody else. And for Jerry, for a guy.

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Speaker 8: That likes numbers in the building, I'm going out there

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Speaker 8: so people can keep talking about to just build up

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Speaker 8: my resume as good as I can to where after that,

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna see where chips may fold.

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Speaker 3: What about you, Jesse, what was your mindset like going

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Speaker 3: into the last game of the.

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Speaker 7: Season, same thing?

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Speaker 6: Perform this end of the game, end of the year

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Speaker 6: game for me was like the fourth preseason game. I

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Speaker 7: Right, you know it was an audition. It was a

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Speaker 7: flat out audition.

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Speaker 6: I wanted I wanted them to know that the last

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Speaker 6: thing that they saw me was productivity. And because you're right,

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Speaker 6: when they go into that office and just like just

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Speaker 6: like how they begin the season, they get to that

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Speaker 6: everybody name goes up on the board and they start saying,

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Speaker 6: what is the guy that we're going to bring back?

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Speaker 5: Well? You all right?

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Speaker 7: Cool?

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Speaker 6: Dak's name going over and he's staying board, right, he

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Certain natives go right, they here and they start looking

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Speaker 6: at where where do we need to address things in

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Speaker 6: the draft, right, not just first round pick, second round pick.

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Speaker 6: That's how do we build out our roster, and I

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Speaker 6: always wanted my name to be a name that got

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Speaker 6: So going out there performed, you know, blocking assignment, alignment,

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Speaker 6: not messing up no plays, still showing them that I'm

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Speaker 6: a I'm on all four core special teams and making

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Speaker 6: you know, going out there and just really really really performing,

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Speaker 6: trying to make a play, trying to make a name

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Speaker 6: for myself, trying to put on put resume out there.

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Speaker 6: This resume game for me. You know, they're playing the Giants.

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Speaker 6: Giants got to see me too, right, and and other things.

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Speaker 6: I tell all young players this and this is this

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Speaker 6: still rings true till this day. I tell all my

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Speaker 6: that tight end coach he a tight end coach today.

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Speaker 6: He at OC in three years. That that wide receiver coach,

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Speaker 6: he a wide receiver coach today. He might be a

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Speaker 6: wide receiver coach on another team in three years. That

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Speaker 6: that OC that you got, now he might be a

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Speaker 6: in a couple of years running back, and they they

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Speaker 6: watch everything that you.

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Speaker 7: Do, who you are as a player.

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Speaker 6: So you know, for guys like you talked about defensively,

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Speaker 6: next year as a d C, he might get a

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. Jack Samborn got a job

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Speaker 6: There's guys on this football team who was with him

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Speaker 6: in Chicago or that he knew in his in his

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Speaker 6: travels that he brought on because they knew his system,

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Speaker 6: he was familiar with them, they had traits that he liked.

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Speaker 6: So I want to make sure that I'm still being cool,

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Speaker 6: not disrespecting those guys, not showing those guys my tail,

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Speaker 6: what I do, because that coach may go somewhere else

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Speaker 6: at the end of this year. It happens every single year,

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Speaker 6: And now I want him to be like when he

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Speaker 6: you just kind of always want to be in that

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Speaker 6: number of guys when you looking at me and like

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Speaker 6: you know what, Oh yeah, yeah, this kid, Holly Man,

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Speaker 6: he can man, he can play all four special teams.

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Speaker 6: He knows I know, he knows all the four spots

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Speaker 6: He's gonna be good in the locker room. He's gonna

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00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 6: be another year, another year of making, you know, making

874
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 6: seventeen weeks of what we were making for seven ten weeks.

875
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 7: It's a good living, it's good eating, you know what

876
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 7: I'm saying.

877
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 6: And so you want to just parlay that into as

878
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 6: many of those seventeen weeks as you can because that

879
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 6: money is good, that insurance is good, those benefits are good,

880
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 6: the four one K is good.

881
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 7: All that's good. And so that that was always my

882
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 7: bond set.

883
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 8: And you talking over there like I can't help but

884
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 8: think of Noah Brown.

885
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 5: Like you know, he was here and people was like.

886
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 8: Oh man, he was a core special team guy, and

887
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 8: guess where he went.

888
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 5: He went up there and.

889
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 8: Somehow in a in a talented Washington room, he's a

890
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 8: starting receiver and he's still doing his thing on special team,

891
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 8: which he was a core guy here. And then not

892
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 8: even just the guys, it's who you playing, because like

893
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 8: you said, you going over here playing the Giants this

894
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 8: last week, somebody across that other side of the field

895
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 8: gonna be like, man, I remember how he for two games.

896
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 5: I always seen him flying.

897
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 8: On special team doing this and to where somebody's gonna

898
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 8: love you.

899
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: So you got to just go out there and play, man.

900
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 8: That's all it is is this, And if anything, this

901
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 8: has a a little more sellering on it, just a

902
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 8: little more, just a little fuel to the fire, because

903
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 8: it's like like you said, the big name guys aren't

904
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 8: gonna they're not gonna typically typically I'm not gonna say

905
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 8: one hundred percent unless you don't pissed somebody off. Majority

906
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 8: of the time, the big name guys you aren't gonna

907
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 8: see in this game. This is gonna be like an

908
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 8: honorary fourth preseason game. So we're gonna see the bottom

909
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 8: of this roster. Linebackers and running backs get out there.

910
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 8: So I'm ready to see it. And the Giants showed

911
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 8: last week that they still got some of their starters

912
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 8: in there, so this is a good opportunity to build

913
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 8: up that resume.

914
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the same way for me, you know,

915
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: of course, being a six round draft pick, working my

916
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 4: way through special teams to become a starter, and like

917
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: once you're a part of that grind, that's just basically

918
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: your grind throughout your career.

919
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: So for me, it was the same way. Finished strong,

920
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: of course, you know it was.

921
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: It was always more so deflating not being able to

922
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: go into the playoffs. Okay, especially if you're playing the team.

923
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 4: You know, like the Cowboys playing the Giants, neither one

924
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: of them are going to the playoffs. But if you

925
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 4: were playing the team and that last game that you

926
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: knew was going into the playoffs, it didn't matter, Like

927
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: if they played the start is for the whole game,

928
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 4: or if they played some of their backups. You know,

929
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: we still wanted to try to ruin their Christmas or

930
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: like ruin that part of the season for them if

931
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: you could.

932
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: So it was it was.

933
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 4: It was always one of those type of things whereas

934
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, finish strong, go out there.

935
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: The whole thing is like.

936
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: You never think as a player, like hey, I might

937
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: get hurt this week, but you damn show want to

938
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: make sure that, like, hey, nothing's gonna happen this week

939
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: at all, last game of the season.

940
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 3: You want to finish strong, like we talked about. But

941
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, it's it's it's just

942
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: like I said.

943
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: It's kind of deflating, you know, to know that, like, hey,

944
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: I'm already thinking about, like if you don't live in town,

945
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: shipping my cars wherever I got to go, you know

946
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 4: what I mean, packing up everything, tearing down the house,

947
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 4: taking everything everywhere else you gotta go, and stuff like that.

948
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: So you know, it's it's it's it's it's really sad.

949
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 8: You know it's sad, but it's a celerate because I'm

950
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 8: telling you me being sad that I got to pack

951
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 8: up this thing. Everything that I'm frustrated from the season,

952
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 8: from the reps that I didn't get throughout the season,

953
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 8: I'm taking it out on this guy.

954
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 5: And it was my sole purpose. Just like I think

955
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: about when Barry talked about Jesse.

956
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 8: He was like, yo, I didn't want to go against him,

957
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 8: like against him in practice, Like that was me coming

958
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 8: into this last game. Like I made it a point

959
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 8: to where it was like whoever was going against me

960
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 8: that the people in the front office is gonna look

961
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 8: and be like, man, I don't know if we should

962
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 8: bring him back the way he got punished this last year,

963
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 8: Like like you want to see who still fights, you

964
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 8: want to see who's good, and you just want to

965
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 8: see who don't quit. And so at the end when

966
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 8: it's like when we ain't got nothing to play for

967
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 8: it now, it's just it's me this right here that

968
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 8: you hear. Is that still thumping right there? And I

969
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 8: guarantee this it's thumping for me. Is it thumping for you?

970
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 8: And if it ain't, boy, guess what you're gonna be

971
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 8: looking at that employment line next year.

972
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 5: So I get it.

973
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 8: But for guys and Jesse, you worked your way up

974
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 8: through it a d But I know I've heard Jesse

975
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 8: really talked about it to where it was like, yo,

976
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 8: I really was out here like trying to embarrass this

977
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 8: guy just so he didn't get that that job or

978
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 8: that leg up.

979
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 5: I don't want to build his career. So like you

980
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 5: didn't have none of those battles like towards the end

981
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 5: of it where it was like, man, I just got

982
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: to punish him.

983
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 4: Man, it was that was anytime, So anytime being a

984
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 4: special team player, you're not gonna see You're not gonna

985
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 4: get those reps on defense or whatever. So anytime you

986
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: got a chance to see, say another high round draft

987
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 4: pick for special teams, and they say, if you're the

988
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: guy watching the gunner and they got their first round

989
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: dude out there running down on gunner, yeah, you want

990
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: to try to dog that dude as much as possible.

991
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 8: You know.

992
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: It's basically like in some ways for you, it's it's

993
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: also a measuring stick for you too as well at

994
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: the end of the day. But anytime that you get

995
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 4: a chance to like raise your level against any type

996
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: of competition, you definitely want to try to do it,

997
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: you know. But it's just one of those type of

998
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 4: things that after it's all said and done, and you're

999
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: sitting at home that next week and you sitting there

1000
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: watch and TV and you seeing everybody else playing, and

1001
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: you sitting there like, man, if I could have just

1002
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: sad Orf, we would have just had another opportunity to

1003
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: do things a little bit different or whatever the case

1004
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 4: may be. And so you know, what we're looking at

1005
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: now as the Cowboys season comes to an end is like,

1006
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 4: what has changed?

1007
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 8: What?

1008
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 14: What?

1009
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: What has changed for y'all?

1010
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 8: You know?

1011
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 4: And I'm being serious because like you guys have had

1012
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 4: the opportunity to play in this building.

1013
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: I have.

1014
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: I never have, and I've always seen it from the outside,

1015
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 3: So like, what what has changed from?

1016
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 5: And we could just.

1017
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: Concentrate on from the beginning of this year, from the

1018
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 4: last regime with McCarthy, the shoddy this year, you know,

1019
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: and just keep it there, because of course, to go

1020
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: back when you played and go back when you played

1021
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: and everything there has to have been some But what

1022
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: has been the biggest change that you've seen this year?

1023
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 5: If any.

1024
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 6: I've been at this, I've been I mean, I've been

1025
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 6: a part of the Cowboy organizations since two thousand and nine,

1026
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 6: on and off the field, lay here to twenty twelve,

1027
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 6: that I've been covering this team since twenty thirteen with

1028
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 6: an affiliate, and then I came over here in twenty seventeen. Chris,

1029
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, Boy, you've been here for me

1030
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 6: and I've been I guarantee if we went through the

1031
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 6: archives and they pulled up things that I talked about

1032
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen twenty seventeen are still here. Men that

1033
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 6: we're talking about today, Not much has changed. The names

1034
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 6: have changed, the faces have changed, the coaches have changed.

1035
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 6: We're still talking about some of the same bull crap

1036
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 6: that we've been talking about for ten twenty thirty years,

1037
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 6: and it hasn't changed. Back in my time, we were

1038
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 6: talking about an undisciplined football team, team with no heart,

1039
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 6: a team with players who feel like entitled. We've been

1040
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 6: talking about playing bad football. You know, an injured player

1041
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 6: goes down all of a sudden, they can't function.

1042
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 7: I've lived it. I've lived it. I've lived it.

1043
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 6: A side of the ball playing extremely well while the

1044
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 6: other side is playing horribly offensively and defensively.

1045
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 7: Flip them.

1046
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 6: I've talked about it. I've talked about it for the

1047
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 6: last I've been here, as I said, since two thousand

1048
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 6: and nine, on and off the field. If we dug

1049
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 6: up some of the old stuff that we talked about

1050
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 6: and I just changed the names, the conversations are very

1051
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 6: similar today.

1052
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 7: And that's unfortunately.

1053
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like to play Devil's advocate. We all know this.

1054
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 5: Majority of that is true.

1055
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 8: From what I've seen from this season to what I

1056
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 8: said at the beginning of the season, it has standed true.

1057
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 8: The only thing that's going to make me a little

1058
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 8: optimistic about it is the fact that we've seen them

1059
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 8: go out there and trade for guys. We see them

1060
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 8: releasing somebody that is not good for the organization, whether

1061
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 8: it's from a leadership standpoint or playing on the field.

1062
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 8: People typically in the past have gotten rid of people

1063
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 8: when it's way past their prime. And so what we

1064
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 8: see now with them cutting digs right now with Shotty

1065
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 8: coming in there kind of being a raw raw coach

1066
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 8: or players coach first, I see them trying to change

1067
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 8: the culture culture. I see them trying to get away

1068
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 8: from what has been systematically embedded within this organization for

1069
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 8: like you said, over multiple decades. Those things are there,

1070
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 8: but it's a little hope, but it's not enough, Hope.

1071
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 8: I said, the culture has not changed, but the foundation

1072
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 8: is starting to shift. And when I say shift, I

1073
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 8: see the shift happening with the releasing of people, the

1074
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 8: bringing in big name players through trades and acquisition and

1075
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 8: through maybe we'll see how I go with this coaching staff,

1076
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 8: but just letting Shoddy do it the way that he

1077
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 8: wanted to and not implementing as much. So to answer

1078
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 8: your question, the culture has not shifted, but the foundation

1079
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 8: is starting to be rattled. It's been broken up. We're

1080
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 8: starting to see it to be demolished. Can they build

1081
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 8: off of this? And that's the problem in the past,

1082
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 8: they have not been able to build off of any

1083
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 8: of the foundation.

1084
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 5: Yo.

1085
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 4: So that being said, you know, as the Cowboys go

1086
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 4: out and as this season comes to an end, you know,

1087
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 4: you have to try to find some positives to hang

1088
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: your hat on. And you know, that number one offense

1089
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 4: was definitely something that was that was a big plus

1090
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: in the building and the moves that they made to

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Speaker 4: try to change up the defense. You know, they definitely

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Speaker 4: got some good pieces in place, you know, and we

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Speaker 4: just got to be optimistic more so than anything, because

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Speaker 4: like for me watching from the outside end, I'm like, Jesse,

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Speaker 4: I've seen and heard the same thing for so long,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And and it gets to

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Speaker 4: a place like where I'm like, who in the building

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Speaker 4: ain't telling the truth?

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Speaker 3: Like who's not holding who accountable? Like right now?

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Speaker 4: Like and who's who's honestly looking at that and being

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Speaker 4: like like that's okay And instead of being like no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: no no, that's that's not what it is at all,

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Speaker 4: you know. So you know, it just goes to say,

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Speaker 4: you know, and we'll see what Shoddy continues to do

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Speaker 4: as as as the culture begins to change around here,

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Speaker 4: Like you said, they got those foundations, foundational pieces, and

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Speaker 4: just me being being a Cowboy fan and this being

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Speaker 4: regardless of who I play for, you know, not even

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Speaker 4: ever being a part of this organization, I always say

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Speaker 4: I we we you know. And it's just something that's

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Speaker 4: just like I guess you could say almost in bread

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Speaker 4: to me. And so that being said, you know, like

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Speaker 4: as hard as I am on them, I definitely want

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Speaker 4: to see them do good, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: And and and and and and it goes goes without

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Speaker 4: saying that I would love to see the Cowboys have

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Speaker 4: some of those great years that I witnessed when my

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Speaker 4: dad was part of it, and then I got to

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Speaker 4: play against some of those teams in the nineties that

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Speaker 4: were unbelievable, you know what I mean. This has been

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Speaker 4: thanks for tuning in. Demontre Moore, Jesse Holly, I'm Anthony Dorsett.

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