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Speaker 1: Welcome to How to Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about traveling with purpose on the cheap,

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Speaker 1: all right, Matt. So your daughter came to my door.

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Speaker 1: She just wouldn't was relentlessly selling me cookies. What's up

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Speaker 1: with this? Uh yeah, the eavy cookies? Yeah? What is this?

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Speaker 1: A she just trying to like take out the girl's shout?

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Speaker 1: A girl scout came by our house maybe last week

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Speaker 1: or two weeks ago. Because have any come by your place? No,

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Speaker 1: we haven't had him. Me. I'm like waiting for the

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Speaker 1: thin mince. Yeah, I know a neighbor to to three

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Speaker 1: houses down. Their daughter came by and Edvye was there

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Speaker 1: when she came by and was totally fascinated with like

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Speaker 1: the sale. I think that's why she was mostly drawn

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Speaker 1: to the fact that she had like a clipboard or

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Speaker 1: like the paper. It was like writing stuff down. EV's

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Speaker 1: like all about that. Neantime, she any time we play,

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Speaker 1: she's always like taking orders like she's a waitress. She's

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Speaker 1: like a scorekeeper. Yeah exactly. Yeah. So a few days ago,

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Speaker 1: like in the last week, she was saying that she

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Speaker 1: wanted to wanted to make cookies and what what we

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Speaker 1: realized is that she basically just wanted to like take orders.

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Speaker 1: She didn't really want to make cookies. And so we

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Speaker 1: went around and uh yeah, I can't walked up to

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Speaker 1: y'all's place. She gave she gave me the hard sell.

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Speaker 1: She was she was practiced by then, she was versed,

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Speaker 1: she knew what to say. She was like one play

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Speaker 1: to cookies only, Mr Joel, are you sure? Three dollars?

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Speaker 1: Was like, fine, y'all buy more whatever you say. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's honestly, it's it's actually pretty cool

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Speaker 1: right to kind of see ways to teach my daughter

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Speaker 1: how to be a businesswoman, you know, and like how

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Speaker 1: to think of something and kind of follow through with

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Speaker 1: it as well. That's really the biggest thing because so

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Speaker 1: many things we do at home are like you do

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Speaker 1: it for a minute, you know, thirty seconds, and then

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Speaker 1: just you abandon it. And so that was something Kate

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Speaker 1: was really making sure she stuck to it the grit,

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Speaker 1: you know, stick to witness. Well, that's one thing I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, you've done really well already and that I

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Speaker 1: would love to do better with my girls, is to

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Speaker 1: teach to teach you girls about money. And kind of

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Speaker 1: give them some real life situations and how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: And so I think we'll dedicate another podcast, a future

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Speaker 1: episode to specifically talking about how we teach our girls

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Speaker 1: about money and you get kids the only one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you do such a great job. Thanks man, We'll

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Speaker 1: let you leave that one. So, and that was great.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, maybe we'll polcated on that one too,

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Speaker 1: because she's Yeah, she's definitely led the charge with the

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Speaker 1: with the cookies and the business order. And I could

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Speaker 1: business reform. I could tell she was the one that

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Speaker 1: did the banking. They were phenomenal cookies there, man, did

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Speaker 1: you try the lemon ones? I haven't tried the lemon one.

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Speaker 1: I tried the chocolate chip so good you just wait

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Speaker 1: all right, yeah, with pink frosting on top. There. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: That makes me think of a topic too that somebody

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Speaker 1: in our Facebook group mentioned a topic like that as

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Speaker 1: well as far as like how to encourage sort of

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Speaker 1: the entrepreneurial spirit with your with you know, with your kids, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: totally without the question. Yeah, So on that note, did

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Speaker 1: you have a job as a kid, How old are

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Speaker 1: you when you first started working? And what did Where

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Speaker 1: did you start working? Yeah, good question, man. The first

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Speaker 1: job I had was as a caddie at the golf

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Speaker 1: course where or where my parents lived nowhere where I

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Speaker 1: grew up as a kid in Augusta. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: an early on job like like like a lot of kids,

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Speaker 1: my parents were very much their mindset was well, definitely,

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Speaker 1: want you to focus on your grades. Don't worry about

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Speaker 1: you know, if you maintained a certain level of responsibility

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Speaker 1: and chores and things at home, we'll make sure you

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Speaker 1: have enough spending money to kind of hang out with

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Speaker 1: your friends and um. And it was plenty, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I was like I want more, um,

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Speaker 1: guess the focus for my folks. Yeah, how about you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: services but side of it as well, right, like trying

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Speaker 1: to keep folks happy and totally Yeah, I did not

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Speaker 1: hour shift and then I would go home. I think

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Speaker 1: legally I was only allowed to work like fifteen hours

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Speaker 1: I would say for me learning the work ethic early on,

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Speaker 1: it was really really helpful. And working from an early

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Speaker 1: what you're doing with teaching Eavy to work starting a

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Speaker 1: four and a half is admirable. It's awesome, it's fun, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And she and those kinds of lessons you know, as

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Speaker 1: her life. Those lessons I learned mowing the lawn with

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Speaker 1: really good for me. Alright. So, uh, every episode we

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Speaker 1: obviously drink a beer, and this week's beer Matt tell

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Speaker 1: us about it. Yeah, man, so this beer tonight is

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Speaker 1: Bell's hop Slam, which is actually kind of interesting because

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Speaker 1: soon as you brought it over, my eyes lit up.

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Speaker 1: not Poor Matt and at not Poor Joel. Also breweries

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Speaker 1: Matt's neighbor, some free hop slam. Well I can say

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Speaker 1: the subject at hand. Matt traveling with Purpose on the cheap.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know actual child labor laws, but what

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Speaker 1: traveling with the purpose on the cheap Matt, the let's

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Speaker 1: talk about kind of the philosophy. First off, vacation and

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Speaker 1: and Arches and Okay, so that kind of that kind

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Speaker 1: of part of the Arches in Zion. Yeah. So there's

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Speaker 1: just some amazing national parks in that in that part

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Speaker 1: of the of the world. Yeah. I fell in love

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Speaker 1: with it. Just so diverse and different. Um, and the

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Speaker 1: natural beauties just epic. So yeah, have you guys been

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Speaker 1: to uh Yosemite? No, never been to Yosemite? Man, you

435
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Speaker 1: just wait. Been to Glacier, which, Yeah, Glacier is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Uh And I love I mean you mentioned Arches and Zion.

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Speaker 1: I've I've been to both of those places. Uh been

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Speaker 1: there on a rich with my dad and then Kate

439
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Speaker 1: and I and then a buddy Steve we signed up

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Speaker 1: for uh oh and Kate's brother Daniel sign up for

441
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Speaker 1: a half marathon in Moab. So yeah, so it was

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Speaker 1: It's called the Canyon Lands Half and talk about lives. Incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yea incredible, man. We loved it. I mean most of

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Speaker 1: we mostly signed up for that one too, because we're like,

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Speaker 1: where can we be inspired to want to actually run that?

446
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Speaker 1: Polace will do it to you. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: So I would say it's amazing. Uh. I didn't realize

448
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Speaker 1: that the United States had sand dunes until I went

449
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Speaker 1: on this trip with my buddy Travis, like at the beach, No,

450
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Speaker 1: like desert sand dunes, like rolling sand dunes for forever. Okay,

451
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Speaker 1: in south eastern California, there's sand dunes as far as

452
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Speaker 1: I can see. It's insane. It's incredible. Like I said,

453
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Speaker 1: the geographical diversity is impressive and you can find something

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Speaker 1: for almost any one in the United States. There's the

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Speaker 1: Pacific Coast Highway, the the Oregon Coast is crazy and

456
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Speaker 1: rocky and beautiful and kind of cold. Um, there's just

457
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Speaker 1: the vast diversity of our land is incredible, and I

458
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Speaker 1: mean it makes me want to go visit more because

459
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Speaker 1: there's so much I haven't seen. Yet. So when you're

460
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Speaker 1: planning your next trip, consider staying state sized stay in

461
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Speaker 1: the US. It's likely going to be more affordable, and

462
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Speaker 1: there's still a lot to see. You may have seen

463
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Speaker 1: a lot of the US, but I guarantee you haven't

464
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Speaker 1: seen at all. But if you have your eyes set

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Speaker 1: on something else, traveling internationally, we're in the golden age

466
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Speaker 1: of traveling internationally right now. The prices have gotten to

467
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Speaker 1: be so cheap. You can fly to France or uh

468
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Speaker 1: Belgium or Germany cheaper than you can fly to a

469
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Speaker 1: lot of rural the rural United States. Now. My mom

470
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Speaker 1: wanted to take my grandma back to visit her hometown

471
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Speaker 1: in Montana. It's like six dollars round trip to get

472
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Speaker 1: to Montana from down here, but you can get to

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Speaker 1: Amsterdam for three rounds. It's incredible. I guess that makes

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Speaker 1: sense why you can fly from a major city to

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Speaker 1: another major city because there's other airlines. There's other players there, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of competition from let's say Atlanta and St. Louis,

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Speaker 1: New York, Boston. There's so many airlines flying out of

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Speaker 1: each one of those major airports that it creates a

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Speaker 1: lot of competition. But once you get to those competitions,

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Speaker 1: good for us, right, But once you get some of

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Speaker 1: those more minor airports that are a little bit further

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Speaker 1: out there, a little more rural, there's almost no competition.

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Speaker 1: And so if Delta is the only one flying in there,

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Speaker 1: they get to stick it to you that they can

485
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Speaker 1: charge eight hundred dollars su Yeah. So one of the

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Speaker 1: things we want to talk about be flexible on your travel.

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Speaker 1: Be flexible, not only on your dates. That's huge. You

488
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Speaker 1: know you're gonna want to be flexible on the dates

489
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Speaker 1: you can go. If you can leave on a Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: come back on a Tuesday. Uh. If you can be flexible,

491
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Speaker 1: like I don't have to go in June, I can

492
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Speaker 1: go in July August too, that's gonna help you out

493
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Speaker 1: and save you a lot of money when you're shopping

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Speaker 1: for flights. Yeah. Be self employeed, man, that's a huge

495
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Speaker 1: bonus to be able to kind of pick and choose

496
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Speaker 1: when you want to take time off. Obviously we don't

497
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Speaker 1: have complete control of everything, but to sort of be

498
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Speaker 1: able to say, all right, well, this is a priority,

499
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and do this and start planning

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Speaker 1: on it. So Chalcolin up for being self employed. Yeah,

501
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Speaker 1: and you're also you're gonna want to be flexible on

502
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Speaker 1: your airport. So even where we live, matt it might

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Speaker 1: be worth it for us to either drive to another airport.

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Speaker 1: At times, we're pretty fortunate we have a lot of competition,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes the best international fairs come out of just

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Speaker 1: a few cities on the East Coast and on the

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Speaker 1: West Coast, and so it might be worth it for

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Speaker 1: you to drive or fly to another airport, even on

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Speaker 1: a domestic ticket, in order to save money like your

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Speaker 1: own layover and then fly out of exactly a Guardia

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Speaker 1: or something like that. So like Boston right now has

512
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Speaker 1: some of the best international flight deals, and from Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: you can get to Boston for a hundred dollars around trip,

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Speaker 1: so it might be worth it to fly to Boston

515
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Speaker 1: and to book your ticket essentially from Boston to Europe

516
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Speaker 1: um and that could save you a lot of money

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Speaker 1: over just booking direct from whatever East Coast city you're in.

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Speaker 1: One of the main things that will change how much

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Speaker 1: you're able to travel is literally just by choosing your

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Speaker 1: destination based on where the sale is based on the deal. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's what we did. Remember when we went to Ireland. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: prior to Ireland, we had the discussion and we're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's try to go somewhere because we had just gotten

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Speaker 1: back from a trip, and we're just like, you know what,

525
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Speaker 1: let's would be really fun to go together. And that's

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Speaker 1: what kind of got the wheels, that's what got the

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Speaker 1: gears started. We're kind of like, where do we want

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Speaker 1: to go. Let's go where it's cheap, and Ireland was

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Speaker 1: super cheap. A few weeks later, yeah, you we came

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Speaker 1: across the deal and and that was before like all

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Speaker 1: these mega airfare deals to Europe. We paid five dollars

532
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Speaker 1: and now that's like standard, but back then it wasn't standard.

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Speaker 1: That was really really cheap, very cheap. So find the

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Speaker 1: deal and then kind of decide why you want to

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Speaker 1: go there. And at this point, I've been to six

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Speaker 1: continents fortunately, and I wouldn't have been to nearly as

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Speaker 1: many if it wasn't for that rule of booking trial

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Speaker 1: bole cheaply. I feel like if you do it that way,

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Speaker 1: you get to go to twice as many places because

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Speaker 1: you're gonna eventually get to the places you want to

541
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Speaker 1: go anyway, you just kind of go with the deals

542
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Speaker 1: unless you there's no reason why you need to be

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Speaker 1: in a certain country at a certain time, unless you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be there for Twitter fronts or something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or otherwise be flexible. Yeah, so be as flexible as

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Speaker 1: you can. Man. We almost want to ended up in

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Speaker 1: Austin last year, Austin, Texas. Before we got our tickets

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Speaker 1: to go up to Boston, we were looking at where

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Speaker 1: the deals were, and the tickets to Austin were like

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Speaker 1: sixty bucks probably on what like Frontier, I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I had pulled up on Google Fights,

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, but yeah, it was an amazing deal

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Speaker 1: and we almost went there, but we decided nasty because

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Speaker 1: it was August and going to Texas in August sounds

555
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Speaker 1: kind of hot. That's a good point. That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: So in the end we decided to go up north.

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Speaker 1: But we almost ended up in Austin, and we for

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Speaker 1: good things about it, but just because there's a deal

559
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Speaker 1: there and I still want to go there, but maybe

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Speaker 1: when it's cooler. And by the way, you just mentioned

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Speaker 1: Google Flights, that is barn on the best booking engine

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Speaker 1: for travel, so Google dot com slash flights, whether you're

563
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Speaker 1: looking domestically or Internet internationally. Uh, that is the best

564
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Speaker 1: site for you to go to. Google has it worked

565
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Speaker 1: out where you can kind of look at this calendar

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Speaker 1: of dates and find the best fair. So if you're flexible,

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Speaker 1: they make it easy to spot dates that are going

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Speaker 1: to be the cheapest for you. And it's just super

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Speaker 1: easy to use. So it's by far, I would say

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Speaker 1: at this point it's top kayak. It's the best search

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Speaker 1: engine for for flights. So Google dot com slash flights.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for tickets, you wanna, yeah, you wanna

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Speaker 1: tell folks about Scotts though, Yeah, don't I know you've

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Speaker 1: heard of Scott's. Yeah, So Scotch Chief Flights is. You

575
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Speaker 1: need to sign up for it right now. It's amazing.

576
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Speaker 1: So they have a free an a paid version, and

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Speaker 1: Scotch Chief Flights is just incredible. Scott's basically mining the

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Speaker 1: data on what flights are cheap, and he sends out

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Speaker 1: emails a couple of times a week. Uh, and if

580
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Speaker 1: you're the free subscriber, usually get delayed and you don't

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Speaker 1: quite get quite as many emails, but essentially just tells

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Speaker 1: you you kind of pick the quadrant of the country

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Speaker 1: where you fly out of and he sends you the sales.

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Speaker 1: He tells you, here's exactly where he's on sale right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm always seeing great deals to different places.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it takes a lot of restraint on my

587
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Speaker 1: part not to just book like more travel. But but

588
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: plus i'd have to like to make you do more

589
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Speaker 1: babysitting kids. I can only do some of that. So

590
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Speaker 1: much of that, man, whatever, I love your kids. I

591
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: was gonna say to Scott, happen to work at Google. No, No,

592
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Speaker 1: he just started his own note, he started his own business.

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Speaker 1: His name Scott Kays and he yeah, he's just like

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Speaker 1: brilliant man. Yeah, he's just like a dude. He's just

595
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Speaker 1: a dude. And he's got more people working for him

596
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: now he's notten big enough. But yeah, you should totally

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Speaker 1: check that out. Sign up for his emails. Go to

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Speaker 1: scotts cheap flights dot com. Uh literally, they're not sponsoring

599
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Speaker 1: the show. They're just fantastic and and we'll link to

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Speaker 1: him in the show notes. Scott does an incredible job.

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Speaker 1: So if you're kind of on the lookout for cheap airfare,

602
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Speaker 1: that's probably the best resource right now. Um that in

603
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Speaker 1: Google flights. Those are the two things you to know

604
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Speaker 1: when when booking flights. Um. And also of note is

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Speaker 1: these new budget airlines from Europe. Wow is one of them.

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Speaker 1: In Norwegian is another. Those two airlines are the major

607
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Speaker 1: reason why we're seeing such good airfare to Europe right now.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of coming in and undercutting everybody. Yeah, and

609
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Speaker 1: totally in Iceland Air that's another one. And they're just

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Speaker 1: they're literally cutting the rates so hard and creating no

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Speaker 1: frills airfare service that United in Delta and some of

612
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Speaker 1: these American airlines, some of these other US based airlines

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Speaker 1: have had to cut their prices just to compete, just

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Speaker 1: to stay relevant. And uh, these guys don't fly out

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Speaker 1: of nearly as many airports. Wow doesn't fly out of

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Speaker 1: a lot of airports. Yeah, but they're super cheap, as

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Speaker 1: as low as you would you trust an airline that

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Speaker 1: it's called Wow. It's like, look at that planes in

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Speaker 1: the air. Wow. Let's be honest. After United's recent track record,

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Speaker 1: I trust Wow. I'm more than I mean. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to get my nose bloody. Instead, you busted up

622
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Speaker 1: and drug off the plane. Yeah, so yeah, so wow

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Speaker 1: in Norwegian and uh and I will say this podcast

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Speaker 1: by to you by United Airline. So consider a budget

625
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: airline that that might be your best bet or a minimum.

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Speaker 1: The budget airlines are going to cause the prices to

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Speaker 1: go down at airports where they fly out of competition

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Speaker 1: is always good. Yeah. So I mentioned Boston, I mentioned

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Speaker 1: New York. Those are two cities where while in Norwegian

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Speaker 1: or flying up with flying and they're Yeah. So being

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Speaker 1: flexible is a huge way to to to save why

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Speaker 1: you're traveling and something else we've i mean we've touched

633
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Speaker 1: on it, we've kind of talked around it, but traveling

634
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Speaker 1: with friends is a huge way to cut down the

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Speaker 1: costs both domestically. So if you're kind of going on

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Speaker 1: a vacation, say just going to the beach like we are,

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Speaker 1: or even traveling abroad. We've done that with you guys.

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Speaker 1: And you can split a rental car. You can get

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Speaker 1: four people in the cars supposed to too. You can

640
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: split in their B and B house so you can

641
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: save money as opposed to get in two hotel rooms

642
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: separately on different trips. You know, you could do some

643
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: more cooking at the house then too, so there's just

644
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that you can save money if

645
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: you're traveling with friends as opposed to just one or

646
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: two people. Yeah, and it's not really like a huge thing,

647
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: but safety, you know, like if you're just a single,

648
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: like an individual, just kind of traveling on your own,

649
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: like going to some different cities, like you know, you

650
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: may not feel super comfortable and different neighborhoods and different cities.

651
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: But if you've got two other friends with you, or

652
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: there's you know, two couples you've got there's four of

653
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: you total, man, there's nothing to worry about. Sure you

654
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: feel safe for walking around at night, You're less of

655
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: a target, no doubt that being said, I mean, traveling

656
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: with friends may not be for everybody. I mean you

657
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: want to make sure you've got good communication and you

658
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: like set clear expectations maybe as to what like you're

659
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: gonna be doing and things like that. We've been on

660
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: trips before with other friends, not with you. Maybe it

661
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: was with you. I'm not gonna say where. You know,

662
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: there's a little bit attention because you're kind of like, well,

663
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: we wanted to kind of do this, and you guys

664
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: want to do this, and everyone's kind of like, uh,

665
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: I feel like there's people I can tell. I can

666
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: tell pretty quickly off the bat, like, you know what,

667
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: they're my friend. I love hanging out with them. I

668
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: don't think they'd be my best travel partner. I don't

669
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: think that our family, my wife and I would travel

670
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: with them in the same way. And like we start

671
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the episode, we kind of we

672
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: know how you like to travel, and our families like

673
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: to travel in similar ways. We'd like different things, but

674
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: we know we like to travel in a similar fashion.

675
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: You know, we've got similar rhythms. And yeah, yeah, actually

676
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this early, but I forgot. It

677
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: made me think of you're talking about architecture, you know,

678
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: like walking around Cabbage Town before y'all stay dat night

679
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. When Kate and I, I mean, that's one

680
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: of the things we love doing too. When we're up

681
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: in Portland, up in Maine for our anniversary trip, we

682
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: put ourselves on like a self guided architectural tour in

683
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: this one historic neighborhood where like all the early sort

684
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: of settlers in in in Portland is like one of

685
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: the first family neighborhoods, essentially kind of up on this bluff,

686
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, we just looked up the history of these

687
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: different homes. Someone had made a pdf. We just drove

688
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: around look up the homes on Zello to know exactly

689
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: which home it was. That's cool. And yeah, we just

690
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: took ourselves on a on a on a self guided

691
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: architectural tour and it was written by architects, so there

692
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: is actual history and notes as to like the style

693
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: and different things like that. You guys would have loved it. Yeah,

694
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: that sounds awesome. It was super cool. I'm all about that.

695
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I love doing that just in my own neighborhood,

696
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Like I never get tired of looking at the houses

697
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: in our in our nineteen twenties neighborhood. Yes, So, what

698
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: are some more practical, maybe more monetary stuff that we

699
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: can keep in mind when you're traveling, especially when you're

700
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: traveling abroad. So once you've got your ticket booked or whatever,

701
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: you get and want to do a couple of things beforehand,

702
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: because everyone's going to have to use in all likelihood

703
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: credit and debit cards or and also cell phone service,

704
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: and so make sure you have a credit card that's

705
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: got no foreign transaction fees. If you have a credit

706
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: card with Capital One, you'll know automatically. They're the only

707
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: credit card provider that I know of that doesn't charge

708
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: foreign transaction fees on any of their cards. Yeah, so

709
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: if if you've got that in the wallet, use that

710
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: um and if if you don't, be sure to check

711
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: the fine print on your credit card statement and uh

712
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and or call your credit card company and they will

713
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: let you know. They have to let you know what

714
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: the foreign transaction fee is. But those fees add up.

715
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna book our hotel for France and online,

716
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: and you have to think about it even when you're

717
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: doing that. If I I was gonna pull out my

718
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: normal credit card that I use every day, I don't

719
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: use the Capital One card. It's the Internet. It feels

720
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: like it's right here exactly. But then I've thought about

721
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: it for a second and I wait a minute, Yep,

722
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna get me on that. It would have been

723
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: an extra almost forty So make sure that you're using

724
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: a credit card that doesn't charge foreign transaction fees because

725
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: that can end up costing you a lot over the

726
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: life of your trip. And if you don't know, like josaid,

727
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: just give him a call because you want to give

728
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: him a call anyways, to give them a heads up,

729
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: to let them know you're going to be traveling abroad. Yeah,

730
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: and so a lot of the times credit cards will

731
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: put a freeze if they see some weird transactions abroad.

732
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: They're like, well, that's not normal behavior and you'll get

733
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: your count shut down. You want to make sure you've

734
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: talked to your credit card before your abroad, before your

735
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: travel in a different country and your credit cards prosen totally,

736
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: because that's a pain. Yeah, all right, And so you

737
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: also want to think about your cell phone service. If

738
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: you have T Mobile or Sprint, they've got some great

739
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: international plans that are completely free. You don't have to

740
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: sign up for anything on top of it. You just

741
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: need to let them know that you're going. And sometimes

742
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: you need to make a change once you get there too,

743
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: uh to how your phone works. But it'll be free.

744
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: You'll get free texting, and you get free data, although

745
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: it's really slow data, and then you'll pay twenty cents

746
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: a minute for phone calls. So that worked out really

747
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: well for me on my last trip um that my

748
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: wife wasn't able to go on and I was able

749
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: to stay in touch with her. Really well on my

750
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: sprint plan with free texting and getting to to check

751
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: some things. Also on this you know, crummy like two

752
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: G style data, but you know what, I was able

753
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: to look things up when I needed to and it

754
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: was really helpful to g. Yeah, it's like it's like

755
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: the AOL dial up from back in the day. I

756
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: just know. I wish it made the sound just for effect.

757
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, uh wait, was that the trip that you

758
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: went on without your wife to where? Where did you go? Australia? Australia.

759
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, you went to Australia without your wife

760
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: with a relatively new baby over Thanksgiving. Yeah, I think so. Yeah,

761
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: she's just now forgiving me for this mad don't bring

762
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: it back up. You paid for that one for a

763
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: little bit, did Hey? It was it was a work trip, right,

764
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're lucky enough if you get to go

765
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: on these suite these envious work trips where you get

766
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: to go to some very cool places like Paris come up,

767
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: Paris coming up, But at that time it was Australia,

768
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: all right. So practical things to do once you get

769
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: to your destination, things that will help you enjoy your

770
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: trip more and also spend less money, schedule minimally, that's

771
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: really important. I think people tend to overbook themselves. They

772
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: completely wear out their feet, they get super tired, uh,

773
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: and they end up just totally exhausted back at the hotel,

774
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: completely exhausted. This is something for me, not necessarily the

775
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: overdoing it apart, but just the scheduling part, because I'm

776
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: an efficiency utilitarian man, like everything I do needs, you know,

777
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: my natural tendency is everything I do kind of needs

778
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: to have a purpose, and so I sometimes I have

779
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: a tendency to think that like if I'm not scheduled,

780
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: and if we're not doing something productive or going towards

781
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the destination, it's waste of time. But what I've learned

782
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: through traveling and figuring out what what I really enjoy

783
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: is that, yes, like having some general goals as far

784
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: as like what you want to hit up today, it

785
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: is good to have. But yeah, Matt ten years ago

786
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: is like hour by hour, yes, and that just gets stressful.

787
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: And I was stressing in Kate out and she wasn't

788
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: having fun. I've learned to slow down a little bit too,

789
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: because yeah, I used to be like, well, if I

790
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: don't see at all then I'm gonna feel like I

791
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: didn't didn't do the trip right. And now I've kind

792
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: of learned to back off and take it easy and

793
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you've got to go every single place.

794
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: One of one of Kate's rules actually is anytime we're

795
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: traveling and kind of on the move, that we have

796
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to stay somewhere to nights. Like that's just one of

797
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: her one of her rules. It's like just to make

798
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: sure that you have enough time to kind of get

799
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: settled in a place you know where you're that way,

800
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: you're not just always constantly looking where to go next,

801
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, because like when you're just constantly moving forward

802
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: and not, you know, it can wear on you. You're like,

803
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: all right, where's my next hotel, where's the next restaurant,

804
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to if you have a place that you

805
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: know you can go back to because you've been there

806
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: at least one night before. Man, that does so much

807
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: for you just mentally to to not wear you out,

808
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: and and plus it gives you time to get a

809
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: feel for a place, right like picking up the vibes

810
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: of the location of either your airbnb or the little

811
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: town or neighborhood that you're staying in. Having that second night,

812
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you really get a feel for it. Yeah, And I

813
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: think spending a lot of time walking in the very

814
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: beginning helps you get a feel for the city, the town,

815
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: wherever you are. If you can and spend a lot

816
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: of time walking around, seeing the site, seeing what's around

817
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: your you in your neighborhood, it kind of helps you

818
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: get an idea of where you want to go and

819
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: where you want to spend your time. Um kind of

820
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: like spatially place yourself, like wherever you are, you kind

821
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: of figure the layout of the city. For me, that's huge.

822
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: I like to like know where I am on a map. Yeah, hey,

823
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: if i'm I know generally I'm walking towards this direction.

824
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, we saw that before. That's over

825
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: on this side of town or whatever. Well, and walking

826
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: is free, you know, that's one of the things that

827
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay for it, but you get

828
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: to see so much of what a city or a

829
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: country has to offer is by literally walking the streets

830
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: and being on the ground. So much of the culture

831
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: that is true culture, you know, of of of a

832
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: city is street level. I'm sure you saw that too

833
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: in in Thailand. I remember you talking about the different

834
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: street food that you had and yeah, yeah, you get Yeah.

835
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: So I think you get the layout of the city

836
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: and the neighborhoods and stuff like that by walking. But

837
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: you also, yes, you get this eye to eye, you

838
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: get an idea for what life is actually like. We're

839
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: gonna hanging out, your meeting people, you're looking at eye.

840
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: You're kind of seeing the street food, seeing the vendors,

841
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: seeing the shops. And there's something about seeing your the

842
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: city that you're visiting like that the first day or two,

843
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: taking it all in Yeah, helps, I don't know, helps

844
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: connect you to the place where you are. So, yeah,

845
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: walk and riding bikes. Riding bikes is great too, It's

846
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: just you're not You're not going to quite get that

847
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: connection on a bike. Although it's better than it's still

848
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: better than jumping in a cab, say even running a

849
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: train or something like that. Man, I would would still

850
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: much rather bite. So on top of that, when it

851
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: comes to cabs, I think to riding public transportation also

852
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: gives you that instead of taking a cab, taking the

853
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: bus or the train or whatever it is that everyone

854
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: else takes this to the cheaper mode of transportation it's

855
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: going to save you money and also kind of give

856
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: you more of an idea of where you are and

857
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: what other people are doing and what the vibe of

858
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: the city is. Just for instance, in New York City,

859
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: if you land at the airport and you take the

860
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: cab into town versus you know, taking the bus to

861
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: the subway, Uh, you're going to spend a lot more

862
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: money and you're not gonna get a vibe. There's like

863
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: something super New York about riding the subway. Or when

864
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I was in Shanghai riding their subway, there's something like,

865
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I could have hopped in a taxi

866
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: and probably gotten there a few minutes quicker, but I

867
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: would have missed a huge part of the experience. You

868
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 1: get to see all the folks, You get to smell

869
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: the smells of all the different people. Would be like

870
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: pressed up again against the glass and it's like uper crowded.

871
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: In Asia, man, they're just like literally shoving people on.

872
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: It's impressive. It really is a crossing the canal on

873
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: the boat for like fifty cents or whatever it was

874
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: in in Shanghai, it was amazing and you're you're like

875
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: literally sandwiched in between all these people, but for fifty cents, man,

876
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: there's no cheaper way to get across. And that's all

877
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: part of the experience, the different modes of transportation. Actually,

878
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean that makes me think of New York as well.

879
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: Like Kate and I have arrived into New York City. Well,

880
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: she's not two different ways, No, I've been it three

881
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: different ways. The very first time I arrived in New

882
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: York City, me and my buddy Kyle, we drove north

883
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: of the city, and then we took the train down

884
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: into the city, and then we arrived in Grand Central.

885
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: So like literally the first experience of New York City

886
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: was arriving in Times Square. Well first Grand Central station,

887
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: but then taking that up to Times Square and having

888
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: arrived by train. Super cool, right, and then he went

889
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: to Guy Fieri's restaurant, right yeah, uh, right, before we

890
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: went to the eminem Store. Not really but but yeah,

891
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: but then before that, you know, we'd flown in and

892
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: arrived at playing But then this last time, Kitten, I

893
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: went up, Kid and I, uh, we drove up. We

894
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: stopped and visited uh some friends on the way, and

895
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: we parked at Staten Island, and then we took the

896
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: ferry across, which was another completely different way to take

897
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: in the city. You know, like literally we're you know,

898
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: taking the ferry to Manhattan at sunset, like at dusk

899
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: and man just talking like so much of the different

900
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: experiences are involved transportation, involved sort of local transportation. So yeah,

901
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: the transportation is not just the way to get you somewhere.

902
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: It is part of the experience, part of the culture,

903
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: and treat it like that because you know how that is,

904
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: like in your city, that's probably part of your culture too,

905
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: and it is where we live to it's usually it's

906
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: just an awful mode, which is sitting in traffic in

907
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: a car, But in a lot of cities that's a

908
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: huge part of of the culture and how you get

909
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: around because that's a large part of a lot of

910
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: people's days. So take that into account and try to

911
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: save money on how you get around. And also that's

912
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: also going to be the way that most common folks

913
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: get around, so you get kind of an idea of

914
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: how the locals live. Another way to get an idea

915
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: of how the locals live, there's a couple of apps

916
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: now where you can kind of get guides from actual locals,

917
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: and there's one that I would tell people to check out.

918
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: It's called a cool cousin. So check that out app

919
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: out And there's people that in cities all over the

920
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: world now on that app that live in that city

921
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: and love that city and kind of tell you what

922
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: their favorite things are to do in that city. So

923
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: check that one out and be friendly. Get to know people,

924
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: and know a little bit about the history of the

925
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: place you're visiting. And if it's uh a foreign country,

926
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: know a few of the words um, just so you

927
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: can at least try at least trying to reach out

928
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: in their tongue. Um. Just knowing a few words, a

929
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: few phrases gives the person you're talking to a sense

930
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: that you're trying and that you care and that you

931
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: came there too, not just be a tourist, but to

932
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: understand their culture. And that goes a long long way,

933
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a much better experience if the

934
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: people you're dealing with no that you care a little bit.

935
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: So yet again, I have had all my beer and

936
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: you're still swirling ears over there. I like to uh,

937
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm patient. I'm a patient sipper. Hey, I like to

938
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: save your mind as well. But you didn't have any

939
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: water for me to drink. Sorry, my throat sounds all

940
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: all gunky. I'm a crappy host and everyone knows it now. No,

941
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I like recording over here. Normally we record over at

942
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: my place, but coming over here, I got to get

943
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: on the bike and right over in the nice music,

944
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: cool evening wakes me back up. Lovely, lovely night tonight.

945
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: We always record at night, in case you folks were wondering, Well,

946
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: so I feel like we all as would be Alky's

947
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: if we were doing this at nine am, I think so.

948
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I thought about that. It's ten am here on Wednesday morning.

949
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: We're cracking open a beer. But the hop slam. It's fantastic,

950
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: just as good as ever. Yeah, I'm kind of I

951
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: was kind of worried going back to it because we've

952
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: had such wonderful I p A since then, especially some

953
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: I pas that were different style. But man, it still

954
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: stands up. It's kind of refreshing to have something in

955
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: that old school I p A style too, that we

956
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: don't really do very often. Yeah, it doesn't feel it

957
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: doesn't even though it's kind of it has that malt

958
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: backbone to it. It doesn't taste as heavy as some

959
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: of the some of the new New England style. I

960
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: p a s that are a little more juicy hazy.

961
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so but like it. I like it too.

962
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: Bell's hop Slam. Will U have a picture for you

963
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Speaker 1: in the link to the untapped profile um on our website. Alright, jel,

964
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: So let's do a little quick recap then for folks,

965
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: because we've kind of talked a lot about practical stuff,

966
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: but then we also talked more of like the philosophical

967
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: stuff early on in the podcast, and I want to

968
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: make sure we tied up a nice little bow. First off,

969
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: before you start planning your next trip, think about how

970
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: you want to explore a city. Think about how you

971
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: like to travel, and just make sure you take that

972
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: into account when you're booking your travel, when you're considering

973
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: where you want to go, and think about what you

974
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: actually enjoy doing as well. If you're scheduled to do

975
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of things that you don't ever normally do

976
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: when you're at home, well you may not enjoy doing

977
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: all those things just because they're in a different city

978
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: or a different country. Yeah, travel the way you want

979
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: to travel, and don't let the guide books and the

980
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: fancy blog posts about certain towns sway you and exactly

981
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: how you need to attack that attack that visit. Uh,

982
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: go at it a your pace and the way you

983
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: like to travel. Also, consider staying in the United States.

984
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: There's so much to explore here in our own country,

985
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't consider traveling around the

986
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: United States where you can get a cheap plane ticket

987
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: or hop in your car and drive eight hours and

988
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: explore a completely different terrain. They don't think that that's

989
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: really travel and they decided to book a trip to

990
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: Europe instead. And Europe's awesome, But consider saving a bunch

991
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: of money. You can want more trips. They have a

992
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: ton of money, and you can. You can see completely

993
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: different cultures and completely different terrains by traveling in our

994
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: country while relatively still staying in your own backyard and

995
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: get to know that first. Maybe before you might need

996
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: a translating device if you go to New Orleans still,

997
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, it's it's awesome. I love traveling this country. Yeah,

998
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: and sort of going along with that. One of the

999
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: biggest things is being flexible, whether that means being flexible

1000
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: with your dates or being flexible with like your location. Right,

1001
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: you wanna see where the deals are, and if there's

1002
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: a deal saying in a city you've never heard of

1003
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: but it sounds kind of interesting, consider it. Man, that

1004
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: might be one of the one of the best vacations

1005
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: you've ever taken. And obviously, if you have flexibility when

1006
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: it comes to dates, you can find a really good deal. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for listening everyone. Our home on the

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Speaker 1: web is how to money dot com. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: check it out. We'll have our show notes up there

1010
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Speaker 1: for you, and don't forget to hit the subscribe button

1011
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1012
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