Speaker 1: R and B Money.
Speaker 2: Honey, we are thanks take volatility. We are the authority
Speaker 2: on all things R and B. Ladies and gentlemen. My
Speaker 2: name is Chank. I'm Jay Valentine.
Speaker 1: Oh and this yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: This is the R and B Money Podcast, The Lord
Speaker 2: on all Things R and B. Yes, sir ah. When
Speaker 2: you when you go to school, you know, and then
Speaker 2: and then they give you your work, you know, the
Speaker 2: you you start off with a pencil, okay, okay, and
Speaker 2: then when you're good enough, when you graduate, you graduate,
Speaker 2: they give you a pen.
Speaker 1: A pen. Huh.
Speaker 2: Some people got the pen, some people got dumpin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it ain't up pin, it's it's far from ballpoint. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's far from felt. Yeah. This one of pins. Back
Speaker 2: in the day. He used to stick it in, put
Speaker 2: it in the ink, and then coming and then you
Speaker 2: write real nice, like you was writing the Declaration of
Speaker 2: Independence of pen expensive pinea.
Speaker 1: Mike shot Garrett depend.
Speaker 2: Y'all can get the hell out of my comments and
Speaker 2: dems asking me for shine. Garrett, he's here, listen. I
Speaker 2: remember I remember us doing uh R and B Live
Speaker 2: together one night at at it used to be snatch
Speaker 2: in Hollywood upstairs. Yeah, and they had a lot that
Speaker 2: live live night, live performance night. It was me. I
Speaker 2: think Jen, I might have been there too, and I
Speaker 2: watched you perform and give out Louis Vauton. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had never seen that. Yeah, And I said, the
Speaker 2: pen has a lot of money, a lot of money
Speaker 2: to just be giving away a lot of money. Louis
Speaker 2: Vaton bags to a woman who screams the loudest. You
Speaker 2: don't even know, You don't know. I need my whole
Speaker 2: back in Okay, I needed my whole. It wasn't much,
Speaker 2: but I needed it. You didn't need it. You you
Speaker 2: had spent more on the persons than probably the gig
Speaker 2: was paying you.
Speaker 1: Well, I did need it, and I got it. What's up.
Speaker 2: Man? Listen, brother, this is a fine leather coat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to get right for the guys. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, this little R and B. You know,
Speaker 1: I had to get real R and B. Tyson Beckford
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know when you when you when you get around
Speaker 1: your real R and B brothers, I'm I'm and for
Speaker 1: you for you, for your new R and B guys.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about real R and B, real R and
Speaker 1: B guys. I had a conversation with one of my
Speaker 1: youngsters today. He was like, Sean, you know, I see
Speaker 1: why we're not really popping like like like like the
Speaker 1: real R and B artists.
Speaker 4: I said, what he said, man were singing to were
Speaker 4: singing the girls man who who don't really don't really
Speaker 4: who don't really care about R and B. I said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: the problem is y'all got to get your way up.
Speaker 1: Y'all. Not acting real y'all, y'all, you're not acting like real,
Speaker 1: like like like real R and B superstars. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like like what are you, Like,
Speaker 1: is your bag right.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you pulling up right? Like like can you hold
Speaker 1: it down? Like like like the real R and B superstars,
Speaker 1: Like like like they held it, they could hold it down.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, the rappers just
Speaker 1: taking over y'all. They're just taking over y'all, y'all, your
Speaker 1: whole area, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like it's a certain level, it's a certain level of
Speaker 2: stomp down. Yeah, you got an R and B artist
Speaker 2: gotta do it, has to have, Yeah, stomp down, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna roll.
Speaker 1: With that one.
Speaker 2: It's a certain level.
Speaker 1: They gotta be over in Atlanta, we say get down,
Speaker 1: you gotta get you know, they gotta believe. They gotta
Speaker 1: believe all of it.
Speaker 2: Yea that when but when y'all hit the mall, it's
Speaker 2: going up just as well as when you hit the
Speaker 2: bedroom is going going up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't be you know, you running one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two pounds. Push what I'm telling you?
Speaker 1: Tell them? I'm like I said, look, first of all,
Speaker 1: young you got to get in the jimi.
Speaker 2: Because you can't be skinny and not have a six pack.
Speaker 2: Skinny at least have a six pack something.
Speaker 1: But you can't have a six pack and can't throw
Speaker 1: nothing around.
Speaker 2: You gotta be able to throw something around. You gotta believe.
Speaker 1: You throw it around like you got to throw her
Speaker 1: all around.
Speaker 2: They don't believe.
Speaker 1: They don't believe. And he's like, yo, the girls are
Speaker 1: just talking to us, crazy, talking to.
Speaker 2: Us because she with a stump down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ain't nobody see that?
Speaker 2: I said, listen, R Kelly started a record like this,
Speaker 2: shut up again?
Speaker 1: It did it did?
Speaker 2: I don't want to ever hear you say that I'm
Speaker 2: I'm ever leaving you shut up? You shut that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They really don't understand the essence of
Speaker 1: R and B. That's that's the problem.
Speaker 2: It starts with understanding the essence of a woman. Okay,
Speaker 2: it starts there. How many as I'm gonna allude to
Speaker 2: something that I ain't gonna give it away? What what
Speaker 2: kind of conversations are you having with women? That's how
Speaker 2: you build an R and B singer? What do you
Speaker 2: know about with women?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I get it. You you know a lot about your gens,
Speaker 2: got it, got it? You know, you know a lot
Speaker 2: about the or, you know a lot about Louis got it,
Speaker 2: got it? You know a lot about cars. What do
Speaker 2: you know about women? That's how you define R and B? Yeah,
Speaker 2: how well you can relate to women? Because women.
Speaker 1: They need to do an R and B seminar.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, and give and give and give the information,
Speaker 2: get them back on track and give away Louis bag.
Speaker 2: I was like, because in essence, what what what the
Speaker 2: What the rappers have done is they've they've taken the
Speaker 2: stomp down part of it, but they don't necessarily need
Speaker 2: the finesse no more because they don't have because they
Speaker 2: don't have any competition.
Speaker 1: You ain't got to get you ain't gotta get intellectual.
Speaker 2: There's no there's no opposing, there's no other choice.
Speaker 1: Right, got to get creative.
Speaker 2: They don't have to get creative.
Speaker 1: And what do we creative? That's what we do.
Speaker 2: So we got to be about to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to be come additive, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the man. Let's let's go to
Speaker 2: the pens inception man. Yes, let's go to the beginning
Speaker 2: of the pin, when it was, when it was maybe
Speaker 2: it's never been a pen. So maybe it's always been
Speaker 2: a pin. Maybe you just were born with a pin.
Speaker 2: Where does this start? Sean, give me, give me, give me,
Speaker 2: seven eight year old Sean Garrett. What's going on?
Speaker 1: All right? You know, the seven eight year old Shawn
Speaker 1: Garrett is pretty much you know, I got to give all,
Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace with my mom. You know,
Speaker 1: I've had I talk about my mom all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, But the true essence, going back to the
Speaker 1: true essence of a woman, I mean, the tru essence
Speaker 1: of Sean Garrett is just my mom.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Wow, honestly, man, my mother's everything was everything to me.
Speaker 1: She she she instilled me so many different aspects of
Speaker 1: being a man, being responsible, how to take care of
Speaker 1: your kids, how to be strong, how to not let
Speaker 1: someone take you off your block, how to be a provider,
Speaker 1: how to be a warrior. So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think part of you know, good, bad or indifferent.
Speaker 1: I think the essence of what Sean Garrett is is
Speaker 1: is is all my mom. Ridy Elaine, Man, You know,
Speaker 1: I lost my mother early in my life, but I felt, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I lived two or three lifetimes with her
Speaker 1: as a child, as a young man, and my dad,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to my dad. I love your dad.
Speaker 1: My dad was very instrumental. But my dad was so
Speaker 1: good at being a team player. I don't know if
Speaker 1: my dad always knew that he was second. It probably
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but he had no problem playing his part
Speaker 1: as the co star because everybody in the house knew
Speaker 1: that mama was it was the superstar. But she was
Speaker 1: willing to literally die for her kids and purpose. And
Speaker 1: so I think when you grew up in a household
Speaker 1: like I did, and being so bilateral, like you know,
Speaker 1: my life, you know being from Atlanta, Georgia, you know
Speaker 1: Cambilton role, my mom from Perry Holmes, my dad as
Speaker 1: from Philly. My dad's military. My mom was in the
Speaker 1: military before I was born. Then she worked for the government.
Speaker 1: That transition of what we call real life in America
Speaker 1: and being able to translate and operate around the world
Speaker 1: from a global mindset of being an African American, all
Speaker 1: those different innuendos made the pen right and it gave
Speaker 1: me so much, so much diversity. Like I'm a very
Speaker 1: diverse person, but at the same time, I'm very true
Speaker 1: to myself, true to my heritage, true to my culture,
Speaker 1: true to my essence. So I would I would probably
Speaker 1: say I could definitely be a complicated person. Right, There's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of dynamics to what
Speaker 1: made me. But I'm very proud of every as every
Speaker 1: aspect of it because you know, no one knows. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't ask to be born, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I just happened to be born, and I happened to
Speaker 1: be born with those parents, and I happened to be
Speaker 1: born with that experience, and I had I had no
Speaker 1: choice at five years old to decide if I'm going
Speaker 1: to Germany or not. Right, Yeah, it's like, no, We're
Speaker 1: going to Germany. And yeah, I did cry, I did complain.
Speaker 2: I did in those days. It was what it was.
Speaker 1: It was what it was. You're doing?
Speaker 2: What How long were y'all in Germany.
Speaker 1: Until I was twenty years old? Nineteen years old?
Speaker 2: From five to twenty Yeah, so do you speak German?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Say Deutsch? Zigut no ship yeah, no idea yeah, And so, uh,
Speaker 1: that experience is the reason why some of the time
Speaker 1: when I came back to America and started to uh
Speaker 1: sort of navigate amongst my peers, I seemed a bit intense.
Speaker 1: Of course, you was German. You know. The crazy part
Speaker 1: is I was African American living in Germany, right right.
Speaker 1: My high school school, my high school trip, my high
Speaker 1: school senior class school trip was in Spain. It's just
Speaker 1: different for two weeks wild Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 2: Twitter, you went to every school in Germany, Yeah, elementary.
Speaker 1: Middle, and yeah, exactly, And and I really didn't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to. And so when I would come back
Speaker 1: to America to see my family, it was like I
Speaker 1: was always like I got a cousin too. My cousin
Speaker 1: who married uh is now is now married, y'all know
Speaker 1: to Lewis, I know, Okay, we'll talk about that in
Speaker 1: a second. But my cousin too, I just met literally
Speaker 1: met too, probably about three or four years ago, right,
Speaker 1: And he's my cousin's been my cousin my whole life, right,
Speaker 1: He's my he's my my, my mother's oldest sister. Is
Speaker 1: that he's my first cousin, first cousin. Yeah, so we
Speaker 1: didn't even know each other. He's in the music business.
Speaker 1: He does really really well.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll explain.
Speaker 2: I'll explain not to Clark, no, I know to Clark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but that's my cousin and I love him dearly,
Speaker 1: and he's amazing. He's super smart, and we probably are
Speaker 1: probably just as town, right, But he's on the executive side,
Speaker 1: music side. But Mama had a big family, thirteen brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters. But the bottom line is that I didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to spend a lot of time with
Speaker 1: my family in America. I spent more time outside of America, right,
Speaker 1: And so the adjustment for me to be able to adapt,
Speaker 1: like I was able to get into the music game
Speaker 1: and go to hyper speed creatively, but to be very honest,
Speaker 1: on a personal level, there was a disconnect. And I
Speaker 1: think that's probably sometimes where the disconnect comes with me
Speaker 1: when it comes to my people, right, And I love
Speaker 1: my people like dearly like I love my people, but
Speaker 1: there's a slight I've realized there's a slight disconnect. My
Speaker 1: understanding of what blue looks like and your understanding of
Speaker 1: what blue is is completely different, right, which which also
Speaker 1: is what makes us great together. So my mindset has
Speaker 1: always been opposite subtract. So when I meet someone that's
Speaker 1: completely different than me, whether they look like me or
Speaker 1: they don't look like me, it's attractive to me, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like, wow, I've never experienced that. Hey, let's collaborate.
Speaker 1: And that is the example of why I've collaborated with
Speaker 1: so many different people and made so many different hit
Speaker 1: records and so much different type of energy, because that's
Speaker 1: all I had to go on. And so, and that's
Speaker 1: the reason why it's not so fair to judge people
Speaker 1: from what you don't understand. Right, It's like shit, you know,
Speaker 1: It's like it's like shit, you black, I'm black. You
Speaker 1: understand Colin Greens and fried Chicken and you know, barbecues,
Speaker 1: and but no, it's not always.
Speaker 2: Many shades of us.
Speaker 1: It's many shades of us. It's even even more shades.
Speaker 1: We're starting to see how the translation from Africa, you know,
Speaker 1: from the Nigerians to all the South Africans and all
Speaker 1: of this, this this intense music. The reason why the
Speaker 1: music is so good is because it's always been great.
Speaker 1: It's always been amazing. It's just being able to mesh
Speaker 1: at this point, it's just amazing, right, And that that
Speaker 1: was That's what my experience was, and it was sort of, uh,
Speaker 1: it's sort of complicated to explain to people, but that's
Speaker 1: how my world was, right, and so I was. I
Speaker 1: always felt like a foreigner to a certain extent, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so man, I tried my
Speaker 1: best to do the best I could man to mesh
Speaker 1: and learn and grow, and I didn't have it figured
Speaker 1: out all the time.
Speaker 2: How are you receiving the music in Germany?
Speaker 1: Well, in Europe, you know, Americans listen to what they
Speaker 1: call AFN, which is an Armed Forces Network. Basically, we
Speaker 1: have one radio station and it's the biggest pop songs
Speaker 1: in the world. So we don't have a we never.
Speaker 2: It's just the biggest song. It's not R and B,
Speaker 2: it's not country, it's not it's all of it. It's
Speaker 2: whatever is the biggest.
Speaker 1: The biggest.
Speaker 2: So all you're hearing is hits.
Speaker 1: All I'm hearing is hits. That's great, Okay, And that
Speaker 1: is how I was designed.
Speaker 2: They're programming you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whether that's programming or or yeah, whether you look
Speaker 1: at that as a program or you look at that
Speaker 1: as all you got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 2: we're most times creatures of our environment. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 2: not the fluff. Yeah, you're not getting the fluff. I
Speaker 2: never and I and you know what, but I found
Speaker 2: that to be I found that to be.
Speaker 1: A very interesting perspective because like I would run into
Speaker 1: somebody like you Jay or you Tank who you guys
Speaker 1: are still my essence of my of my my my
Speaker 1: core essence right where I'm from of course, right, and
Speaker 1: what what made me? You know, my mom? My mom
Speaker 1: and dad got married at Eban He's a Baptist church,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like, let's not get
Speaker 1: it confused, but my mom and dad also met on
Speaker 1: Fort Macpherson, which is the Army base the tyler Perry bought.
Speaker 2: Is that where his lot is now? Yes, that's an
Speaker 2: old army base.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So my and I'm from Atlanta, like I'm a real
Speaker 1: at helium too, right, But imagine that man imagining now
Speaker 1: now and then in my house, my mom was still
Speaker 1: from Parry Homes, Germany or Australia.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get that. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it never really left, but we were living in
Speaker 1: a household in a completely different country. So and every
Speaker 1: you know, my mom and every morning my mother was
Speaker 1: very uh you know, she's very musical, man, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like she'll be playing, like in the morning
Speaker 1: times we'll be playing Gloria Estefan. I'll be hearing, you know,
Speaker 1: the a FN station. It's it's I mean, it's it's going,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean, six thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: we get ready for school, it's going and it's straight
Speaker 1: a FN. You know what I'm saying, right, said Fred
Speaker 1: Gloria Estefan. Hey, man, it could be anything. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Number one hits right now, when I
Speaker 1: come home and it gets eight o'clock, nine o'clocks, my
Speaker 1: mom putting on Patty LaBelle. She putting on Patty. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. She playing the whispers as a
Speaker 1: big goons.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean. You know, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's a very diverse. My upbringing, man, was
Speaker 1: just so unexplainable. Man. So I think sometimes when people
Speaker 1: you know, and then you think about my back how
Speaker 1: it was raised, and you know, uh, man, you know
Speaker 1: my perspective of being in front of the camera. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I knew I was amazing at music. I
Speaker 1: know it was an artist like my whole life, I've
Speaker 1: been through that. But I found that I found it
Speaker 1: intriguing coming into my adulthood. Man, I could like I
Speaker 1: had a superpower, Like I can do songs for women
Speaker 1: and men and for anybody.
Speaker 5: There was a supper power. It's like I can make
Speaker 5: Beyonce fly if he ever came in the room, I
Speaker 5: won't make her crazy. So that's where you got them
Speaker 5: songs of Ring the Alarming don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get here.
Speaker 1: But I felt like I had this thing.
Speaker 2: I had a thing and when did so, when did
Speaker 2: you write your first song?
Speaker 1: I probably just write my first songs when I was
Speaker 1: about seven eight years old, for sure. Six just yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't I didn't know how to. Now I
Speaker 1: must admit, like I have a one of my gifts
Speaker 1: is the ability whenever I hear drums, I can write
Speaker 1: the melody like like the drums. Yes, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't need to. I don't need a core. I can
Speaker 1: actually hear melodic notes in my head in the feelings
Speaker 1: like I'm a piscey, so I'm a I'm a very
Speaker 1: emotional feeler, so I can feel notes. I don't need notes.
Speaker 1: I can just take drums and I can write a
Speaker 1: complete song over drums. I actually wrote yeah, over that
Speaker 1: was the complete song over that fourward looping the club
Speaker 1: in the home. You're gonna get a over here, Okay done?
Speaker 1: I mean you can actually go pull up the demo.
Speaker 1: But you know, and it's it's almost like you know,
Speaker 1: realizing your true gifts and not knowing what you're realizing.
Speaker 1: It's just and I was really good at sports too,
Speaker 1: like so like baseball was really good at like baseball,
Speaker 1: and football is really good at yeah.
Speaker 2: So so do you break into do you have an
Speaker 2: industry moment in in Germany? In Germany?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I ended up signing my first record deal
Speaker 1: was fourteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we're going going on Many.
Speaker 1: Me how you how no? No, no, no, I mean
Speaker 1: we get that.
Speaker 2: We were so fourteen years old you get a deal
Speaker 2: out in Germany and how is the music business there?
Speaker 1: So at this time I ended up My manager at
Speaker 1: this time was one of the most successful African Americans,
Speaker 1: I would say, And definitely in my city where.
Speaker 2: I grew up. And we'll see to you from in Germany.
Speaker 1: Uh live in Newenburg and so I live in Numburg
Speaker 1: and Mikes and Wisbaden and Munich. And at the time
Speaker 1: I was singing, I was singing at these fests. I
Speaker 1: was singing at these what they call beer fest. I
Speaker 1: was about to say Octobertober.
Speaker 2: I've heard of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was singing at.
Speaker 2: These black kids singing at October. Yes, No, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Number two, it's crazy. I'm like thirteen years old. And
Speaker 1: there's this band of Gis what they call those are
Speaker 1: those are you know, you know g I's are And
Speaker 1: they're like twenty two to twenty three years old, twenty
Speaker 1: four year old, twenty five year old band. And they're like, yo, dog,
Speaker 1: you we want we want you to be the least
Speaker 1: singer for it. And I was singing in top for
Speaker 1: our top forty band and I was singing these Octoper
Speaker 1: octoberfests and it's going crazy yeah, and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 1: am you know, man, I'm living my life right. And
Speaker 1: uh so this guy asked says to me, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I think you should. I think you're amazingly talented. I
Speaker 1: think you should. You should let me manage you. So
Speaker 1: I ended up doing a letting, letting letting. My man
Speaker 1: Jerry managed me. We ended up putting a group together.
Speaker 1: I ended up signing a record deal when I was
Speaker 1: fourteen with the Ariel of BMG. Wh Ariela BMG. And man,
Speaker 1: the experience of the record business. You didn't know because
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I still didn't you.
Speaker 2: Know, And had your parents been in the music business
Speaker 2: at all? Purely military?
Speaker 1: It was purely military, you know. To be very honest, man,
Speaker 1: if you know that contract that I did, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the best contract, you know.
Speaker 2: But you remember how I was.
Speaker 1: You got nothing said ship little or nothing. I think
Speaker 1: it's little or nothing.
Speaker 2: You don't forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's so funny at that time, and
Speaker 1: I really never even it wasn't even. I didn't even
Speaker 1: think I was supposed to get anything right, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just so.
Speaker 2: But you had already had a business, you had a
Speaker 2: bike business. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, though, That's that's that's what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's how naive I was.
Speaker 1: I had no I didn't have no teeth in the
Speaker 1: game of understanding.
Speaker 2: Concept of even how I worked.
Speaker 1: Clearly first generation generation, completely right talent, straight up. Man,
Speaker 1: that's so crazy.
Speaker 2: So you put out an album.
Speaker 1: No, we only put out a single and sing no, no, no, No.
Speaker 1: I didn't write to say and what I what I
Speaker 1: realized also now at the time I found this, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get so in depth about what happened.
Speaker 1: Then I want to. I want the I want the
Speaker 1: viewers to understand the purpose of my experience. We can
Speaker 1: always get deeper. That'll be in the book that I'm doing,
Speaker 1: but I want to explain more so from the experience
Speaker 1: that I had as a youngster and what I learned
Speaker 1: and what my experience, how how how much from my
Speaker 1: experience it taught me to get ready for what the
Speaker 1: pen became right at the time, I used to get
Speaker 1: so frustrated because I felt like I wasn't writing, I
Speaker 1: could not write better songs than I was hearing on
Speaker 1: the radio. And that was and that became something that
Speaker 1: was so important to me. I felt like I wanted
Speaker 1: to write songs that were just as good as the
Speaker 1: songs that I was hearing on the radio. And I
Speaker 1: became completely enthralled in that idea of why does my music,
Speaker 1: my songs don't sound as good as these other songs.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even important, It wasn't really even important to
Speaker 1: me being an artist. Being an artist was important to me,
Speaker 1: but the song was so much more important to me
Speaker 1: because I felt like if I understood how to write
Speaker 1: songs as good as the songs on the radio, I
Speaker 1: definitely knew how to perform them right, because I can
Speaker 1: write them, and if I can write them, I can
Speaker 1: performer of course. But what was more important to me
Speaker 1: is I didn't know how I kept getting really upset
Speaker 1: with myself because I felt like it wasn't sounding as
Speaker 1: good as the songs that I was hearing. So by
Speaker 1: the time I was fifteen and sixteen, I got a
Speaker 1: bit frustrated and I was ready to come back to
Speaker 1: the States because I first covered. Our first single was
Speaker 1: a cover, and I didn't feel like, yeah, that was cool,
Speaker 1: that was cool. They loved my voice. I never liked
Speaker 1: my voice. People used to make fun of my voice.
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, man, you like a football player
Speaker 1: or a boxer, but your voice sounds like you're Ralph Chesident.
Speaker 1: And I used to. I used to, by the way, ultimately,
Speaker 1: so so in my brains, I was like, oh, I'm dope.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely dope, but you know, in a way. But
Speaker 1: I never used to tell people how I felt. It
Speaker 1: really used to f with me. It really used to
Speaker 1: bother me. And you know, this is really funny, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're supposed to be talking about some like
Speaker 1: the cool side of.
Speaker 2: This is we're talking about Yeah, we're talking about the DNA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I completely used to. That's why when some
Speaker 1: that's why when some people say, like you know, like
Speaker 1: some people say I'm cocky and shit right, But to
Speaker 1: be very honest, man, I'm a very I'm a competitor.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely a competitor, more so than I'm cocky.
Speaker 1: I'm just very sure of myself because I had to.
Speaker 1: I had to get better and better and better and
Speaker 1: better until I felt confident enough that I knew that
Speaker 1: I could run a three nine when most people was
Speaker 1: running four five. And a lot of times I was
Speaker 1: told so many times that I could not run a three.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even run a full five. They used to
Speaker 1: always tell me I couldn't run a full five, And
Speaker 1: so it just made me more and more determined to
Speaker 1: be able to show you, not only can I run
Speaker 1: a four five, but I can run a three nine.
Speaker 1: When I got to America, I knew that I was
Speaker 1: definitely different because I went through so many different transitions
Speaker 1: of like beating myself up, not feeling like I was
Speaker 1: good enough, or not feeling like And this wasn't about
Speaker 1: what other people had to say. It was just me personally,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I would be listening to
Speaker 1: other records, and I know I loved music. I know
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it with a different type
Speaker 1: of passion. I loved it more than I love baseball.
Speaker 1: And I could throw a fastball and maybe when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old, I was throwing a ninety nine
Speaker 1: ninety nine miles power fastball. God, I was knocking home
Speaker 1: runs like I could. I was really good at baseball.
Speaker 1: My mom came to every one of my games. I
Speaker 1: was really fast, I could. I mean, I could do
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But what was more important to
Speaker 1: me is like music, I just love music. I loved
Speaker 1: it in a different type of way. And so I
Speaker 1: also realized that, like, damn, how do you imagine this, right,
Speaker 1: imagine having this gift as something and everybody telling you
Speaker 1: don't look like you sound That was crazy to me, right,
Speaker 1: So I was almost I was always kind of worried
Speaker 1: about that, and then I just never really got it.
Speaker 1: Just all never seemed to match up, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was like I was talented, but it's
Speaker 1: just never seemed to match up in my mind. In
Speaker 1: my mind, I didn't look like this person. I wasn't
Speaker 1: slamm I was, I was muscular. I wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: all of the things that everybody said you were supposed
Speaker 1: to look like. I didn't look like you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like I was handsome, but I was like, I
Speaker 1: just didn't look like I sound. I just didn't look
Speaker 1: like my music sound right. But then it then it
Speaker 1: was then mean, when I was like eighteen, it just tatered.
Speaker 1: I took a turn. I took a turn, and I
Speaker 1: just didn't give a fuck no more. It really just
Speaker 1: made me feel like, you know what, I'm me, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking me, and I was excited about being me. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but say, what was that? What was?
Speaker 1: But think, man, you know, you get to a point
Speaker 1: where people tell you you can't do this and you
Speaker 1: can't do that, and you just fucking you just get
Speaker 1: frustrated to the point where you just like fuck y'all.
Speaker 1: You know, just fuck y'all.
Speaker 2: You know, and people don't know. People don't breaking point,
Speaker 2: well the breaking point, but people don't understand the the
Speaker 2: lasting effects of having to hear that so much and
Speaker 2: then finally getting to that point. So when you when
Speaker 2: you finally say fuck y'all, that's something you stand on
Speaker 2: ship for a long fucking time, and people don't understand
Speaker 2: why there's that and understand what you went.
Speaker 1: Through as a kid man, and you know, imagine being
Speaker 1: a talented child from like five what I'm saying and
Speaker 1: you've been hearing this this shit to you like eighteen.
Speaker 1: By the time I came back to America, I was
Speaker 1: on one. Yeah, I was definitely on one. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, and if anything felt like it was some
Speaker 1: negative shit, I was just like in my mind, I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck you run over? Yeah, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't. I know, I don't I know,
Speaker 1: I ain't this, I know, ain't that. Yeah. Yeah, but though,
Speaker 1: but I'm miss right. And that's where all my anks
Speaker 1: came from, you know what I'm saying. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's why I can relate to this generation, because
Speaker 1: I feel like I really probably was one of the
Speaker 1: I was. I was probably one of the ones that
Speaker 1: started this crazy mindset of these artists. I probably would
Speaker 1: say because I never I never felt like I looked
Speaker 1: as good as Usher. I never felt like I looked
Speaker 1: you know. I never wanted to be Chris Brown. I
Speaker 1: never wanted to be sure. I never even wondered I
Speaker 1: was the guy next door. I'm the guy next door.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a guy. I'll take your fucking I'll
Speaker 1: take your girl for sure. I'll definitely fuck your girl.
Speaker 1: Not because I want to, I can you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because you know what, my conversation is definitely
Speaker 1: deeper than yours. You know what I'm saying. My work
Speaker 1: ethic is definitely better than yours. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: My heart is definitely pure, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about girl talk, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just talking about just like on some
Speaker 1: regular dude shit, like, yeah, I probably I'm the guy
Speaker 1: next door. I ain't got all that other shit, but
Speaker 1: I definitely got heart, I definitely got a work ethic,
Speaker 1: I definitely got passion. I definitely give a fuck about
Speaker 1: everything that represents what we stand for. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get money somehow, some way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't really you know, I don't
Speaker 1: really think.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, so you're back. I can compete, So
Speaker 2: let's compete. So you're back in the States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I come back to the stations. Yeah, back
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. Yeah, go back to Atlanta. It's time to
Speaker 1: get to it is and ship is and ship is.
Speaker 1: You know, you get back to the States, a lot
Speaker 1: of cracking, ship cracking, crack, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's guys, super amazing creatives like Pooh Bear,
Speaker 1: you know, shut Pool Bear. Uh. And I love this
Speaker 1: part of it because a lot of these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: know if I like them or if they like me,
Speaker 1: or they gave a fuck or that I ain't, but
Speaker 1: I just knew I respected them, you know. Johnte Austin
Speaker 1: one of the fucking coders, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I can definitely say that now like Pool Beer
Speaker 1: Pooper is like a genius, straight up. Uh, John T. Austin,
Speaker 1: straight genius. And this is all at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: when me coming me coming to the States, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Brian Michael Cox, j D Man. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then then I meet Chris hicks Man and oh man,
Speaker 1: he just said some ship and shout out to Chris
Speaker 1: hicks Man. Chris sicks know how much I love him,
Speaker 1: you know, but oh my god, man, Yo, I've never
Speaker 1: probably felt nobody, there's nobody ever broke me down like
Speaker 1: he did. Like he just said, I remember I played him.
Speaker 1: I played him, Yeah, the demo a year man. He
Speaker 1: just it just fucked me up. It was like that,
Speaker 1: ain't it was because well, because these guys was at
Speaker 1: the top of the game, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like they was. But you gotta understand, my relationship with
Speaker 1: Chris is like the biggest, like like like he's one
Speaker 1: of the I will say, he's probably one of the most.
Speaker 1: He's the one executor that pushed me to the highest
Speaker 1: level when and so so this is not a slight
Speaker 1: like Chris Sicks is like, first of all, at the
Speaker 1: time he was co CEO of Noontime, which is one
Speaker 1: of the most legendary, legendary independent labels in the music business. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they spawned so many you.
Speaker 2: Know, all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he was at the time he also
Speaker 1: was president I think of Warning Chapel at the time publishing.
Speaker 1: He was a great publisher too. So you know, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just kid man trying to impress these guys, man,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't have no clue or understanding
Speaker 1: of like what the bar is with with them, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so I just knew I
Speaker 1: just didn't fit. I just didn't fit, man. I didn't fit.
Speaker 1: I just did not I didn't I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the kind of ship that they did. Not that
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, mean, I just couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I didn't know how to create.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the kind of songwriter that could write songs
Speaker 1: with chords and ship. I just I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: I was good enough to do that, And so I
Speaker 1: used to beat myself up internally, and you know, records
Speaker 1: like Yeah and Goodies and check up on it like
Speaker 1: those are songs that or fucking ringy alarm or shit
Speaker 1: like that, Like that's the ship I understood how to
Speaker 1: do because I didn't. I wasn't. I wasn't really attracted
Speaker 1: to like chord progression type of songs.
Speaker 2: Sure, then, for lack of a better term, you are
Speaker 2: sued in a different sound. Literally, Like I remember Billy
Speaker 2: Callaway and Shakira Stuart, who are really good friends of mine,
Speaker 2: close close kit friends of mine, telling me about you.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. They were like, he's the one
Speaker 2: flood out like and it's so it's so crazy to
Speaker 2: hear you say it from us from a from a
Speaker 2: point of almost people not believing, people not seeing it,
Speaker 2: and you not knowing that people were celebrating you before
Speaker 2: you had the hits. You have no hits at this point,
Speaker 2: not when I heard about you.
Speaker 1: But it was like nigga, he niggas this, nigga Sean Garrett.
Speaker 2: You know, I shake you, Nigga, Sean Garrett, nigga Sean
Speaker 2: Garrett got it in twenty four, twenty four about they
Speaker 2: was they billy, you're white men, though, Man, no bullshit
Speaker 2: that you did not know about.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's that's what's really beautiful about
Speaker 1: this because I really didn't know, man, I really bro
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was just trying to survive. I was
Speaker 1: really just trying. I was very passionate, though I think
Speaker 1: I think my passion sometimes made people feel like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it made people feel like. I was
Speaker 1: just being myself. All I could do is just go
Speaker 1: with my passion, and I just I just didn't know.
Speaker 1: I think that the worst thing. I was just fighting
Speaker 1: for my life, to be very honest, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be great and I just didn't. I knew I
Speaker 1: didn't fit into this box of like doing things that
Speaker 1: other people do. Anytime I heard anything that someone else
Speaker 1: was doing, I completely wanted to do something different, but
Speaker 1: I also admired the greatness too, Like I really was
Speaker 1: a very maybe I didn't say much to these guys,
Speaker 1: but I really admired them.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was in high school. I felt
Speaker 1: like I was in like ninth grade, and these guys
Speaker 1: were seeing this ship and they was fucking amazing, and
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, like I remember, I never forget
Speaker 1: out hearing uh man, I'll never forget hearing superstar m
Speaker 1: hm hmm.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I heard a superstar mhm, and I heard it caught
Speaker 1: up and I was like, what in the fuck am
Speaker 1: I going to?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Ryan told it was fun. I was like, man, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker is so incredible. I just I you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's like you he was like.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So at the so
Speaker 1: I just was like, man, you know what.
Speaker 2: It makes sense where you're saying, you hear it, you
Speaker 2: appreciate it, but you're just somewhere else you're going to.
Speaker 2: I don't do that else. I don't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't even do that. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: fucking do that. Like I know, even I know how
Speaker 1: to do it of course, right. But we're talking about
Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, we're talking about being on
Speaker 1: the track, you know, uh Kaie Richardson like like her speed,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you talking about running,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? These people are fucking going
Speaker 1: crazy like they're world class athletes. Yeah, the complete world class.
Speaker 1: And I'm listening, I'm like, bro, oh my god. I
Speaker 1: was just I was just like one am I go.
Speaker 1: Then I get this call from l A Read. So
Speaker 1: I ended up doing my I end up doing publishing
Speaker 1: deal at Hitco. L A Yes. Shout out to Billy
Speaker 1: calloway Man. Billy callaway Man is a fucking amazing I
Speaker 1: don't know why he's not a music business no more.
Speaker 1: I know he do like amazing things with houses and
Speaker 1: ship like that. But he is really great and I
Speaker 1: got us in mind. I gotta get music his his
Speaker 1: props today. He was the one that really signed with
Speaker 1: Shakir and and La Read at Hitko. And I love
Speaker 1: Billy because Billy was very passionate and he was very
Speaker 1: smart and he understood. He understands great. He really did,
Speaker 1: he really does. And he had this bowling league that
Speaker 1: he had this entertainment bowling league that he created, and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about every everybody of the who's or who
Speaker 1: would be at that bowling that bowling league every I
Speaker 1: think it was every Wednesday. It was packed like three hundred.
Speaker 1: Anybody that from Atlanta know about three hundred bowling alley
Speaker 1: up four hundred used to be packed. I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: This was a zoo. It was a zoo every Wednesday, man,
Speaker 1: I remember, and I used to just go there, and
Speaker 1: I mean I had like five offers on the table
Speaker 1: from different universals, sony, different people wanted to sign me
Speaker 1: as a songwriter. I never even wanted to write songs
Speaker 1: for other people. I didn't want to do that. I
Speaker 1: wanted to write songs for myself. I was mad that
Speaker 1: I couldn't write songs. I was like, damn, I haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where I can write songs for
Speaker 1: myself to the point that are great songs. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really trying to I definitely wasn't trying to write songs
Speaker 1: for other people. But that's how much of trying to
Speaker 1: push yourself to another level and then to have other
Speaker 1: people to celebrate you or appreciate your talent comes into
Speaker 1: play right, and so it was all god man. But
Speaker 1: I ended up doing my deal with Hitco because Billy
Speaker 1: was just I just he used to make me laugh.
Speaker 1: And I will say to people that, you know, personalities
Speaker 1: matter for executives in the game today. It's important to
Speaker 1: be a good person to people. It was only a
Speaker 1: couple of people that really thought, yeah, it was dope.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was like And it's funny to watch people
Speaker 1: now to say, oh, we knew it was great, we
Speaker 1: knew it was It's like, I remember your face.
Speaker 2: I remember you, remember you.
Speaker 1: I remember I was a kid. You know, kids don't
Speaker 1: forget ship. I was a kid nineteen twenty. I was like,
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 2: So what made you write those verses like that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you jumped into comments. Man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We're not gonna brush over this.
Speaker 2: We're not write those verses.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you listen to any of my songs,
Speaker 1: that's my true essence, got it?
Speaker 2: But but what is that from? What is that like?
Speaker 2: Because that's not that's not a normal R and B.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't do R and B. Y'all know that.
Speaker 1: That's what I just said.
Speaker 2: Like, I got it now.
Speaker 1: I do R and B, but I do my version
Speaker 1: of art exactly. So I'm trying to figure out the mixture. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that I'm well, first of all, I'm the
Speaker 1: biggest Michael Jackson fan in life, Like that's a Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson song. My idea was, hey, I heard Superstar, I
Speaker 1: heard caught up. Caught up. Now, this is how crazy
Speaker 1: my mind is. Caught up to me was can you
Speaker 1: feel okay? Okay yea in my brains, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can beat that.
Speaker 2: That's the Jackson's And that's the competition that you've been
Speaker 2: all even chasing this whole time.
Speaker 1: That's the Jackson's. That's not thriller. If I can get
Speaker 1: him Billy Jean beat it and thriller in one song,
Speaker 1: I could kill this hose. And that was my mindset.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna go get one of them little
Speaker 1: John beats. I don't give a fuck what little John
Speaker 1: beat it is. I'm just gonna go create a fucking
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Song on a Little John because Little John was on
Speaker 2: fire and his emotion is healing.
Speaker 1: To the windows, from the windows to the wall. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you the power in the power, in the studio,
Speaker 1: in the in the in the.
Speaker 2: Club, I went horse one night.
Speaker 1: It was I went horse one, I yelling at to
Speaker 1: the window. I was bowling. I was bowling when we
Speaker 1: were be bowling and I and yeah. Came from the
Speaker 1: perspective of what Little John's energy does is not it's
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. It's not normal. Me and Lot John are
Speaker 1: more compatible in our essence than not mm hmmm, because
Speaker 1: Lot John is kind of like an outcast too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We've all seen the high school photo. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: when y'all licked the record, we see y'all. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: when y'all, when y'all.
Speaker 1: Sattle John, I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it
Speaker 1: a buck like John John. John John had all the
Speaker 1: relationships with the DJs, and to be very honest, you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to l A. Reid and the whole all
Speaker 1: the people at arist man. But I'm gonna keep it
Speaker 1: a buck man. This was all god like. For people
Speaker 1: to say that they knew is craziness. Now, Shakire Stewart
Speaker 1: he knew, mm hm, he knew. He was fighting for it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's one other person at that at that
Speaker 1: label that was fighting for it. But everybody else I
Speaker 1: don't think they understood.
Speaker 2: How could you though? Yeah, yeah, because yeahs like hitting
Speaker 2: the lottery, yees, not normal by any means.
Speaker 1: And it made sense to me because it was, you know,
Speaker 1: the essence of Usher's performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you took Usher to a place he had
Speaker 2: never been before. That was somewhere else like nothing, nothing,
Speaker 2: anybody it had, nobody has that in their catalog. For
Speaker 2: the most part, that record was a game changer. So
Speaker 2: this a game changer. And then and then after you
Speaker 2: have the game changer, you write it again. You go
Speaker 2: from yeah, the Goodies. I remember every club I was
Speaker 2: in when Goodies came out. Oh my god. I had
Speaker 2: just met Sierra maybe a couple of weeks before Goodies
Speaker 2: came out. I met her at a the song came on.
Speaker 2: She was in the club, she was with what's the
Speaker 2: What's the I forgot her name. She was dancing with
Speaker 2: Sierra at the time, one of one of our we know,
Speaker 2: one of our homegirls. And she's like, oh, you got
Speaker 2: to meet Sierra, like Sierra said the song that just
Speaker 2: came out. Yeah, I'm like, do you know what's happening?
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: We actually did that. I did that in the same
Speaker 1: week actually, just because you know what's so funny. Shout
Speaker 1: out Delicia. Delicia at the time was Little John's assistant.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get no beats from Little John. I didn't
Speaker 1: know Love John, and Little John's people wouldn't give me
Speaker 1: any beats because they were like, uh so BC twenty four.
Speaker 1: Billy Callaway reached out. I said, Billy, I want to
Speaker 1: do I want to do a I want to do
Speaker 1: a Michael Jackson song over one of them crunk beats
Speaker 1: for Usher. He was like, let's do it. So he's like,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: can you call Little John's people and see if I
Speaker 1: can get it, you know, get some of his beats.
Speaker 1: And they were like, little John don't do R and
Speaker 1: V beach do that like he do crunk beats.
Speaker 2: I was like a no go.
Speaker 1: So man, it took about two three weeks for me
Speaker 1: to and I actually ran into Delicia and she's the
Speaker 1: I owe him everything. Wow, she is the key the glue.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Shout out to Delicia, Delicia, and she's
Speaker 1: just the sweetest thing.
Speaker 2: So she got you a beat tape man.
Speaker 1: She got me ten beats. She a CD with ten
Speaker 1: tracks on there. And out of those ten tracks, one
Speaker 1: of those songs what Goodies? And one of those songs
Speaker 1: was Yeah. And you can go online right now to
Speaker 1: YouTube and pull up Sean Garretts. Yeah, you can hear
Speaker 1: my original demo too. Yeah, and when you hear that,
Speaker 1: it'll make it all makes sense. Yeah. I actually was
Speaker 1: doing all the little John PARSI. Yeah, And I remember
Speaker 1: getting this deal with John and John was like, I'm
Speaker 1: changing this ship. I don't changing the ship. I said, John,
Speaker 1: why the fuck you want to change it? Because I
Speaker 1: want to do some new libs. I said, this ship
Speaker 1: is already perfect. The weird is he said, how the
Speaker 1: hell are you gonna tell me how to do me
Speaker 1: better than me? But what's so crazy about? Like what
Speaker 1: we have to do? And y'all can relate to this
Speaker 1: we have to do. We have to paint the pictures
Speaker 1: so well that geez, like.
Speaker 2: What's yeah, and right, here's the bush the white man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy toying you were saying earlier. You know,
Speaker 1: people don't know what we have to go through, like
Speaker 1: that's where the anks come from, you know, And is
Speaker 1: if there's not one thing I want to say on
Speaker 1: here today, Like sometimes you know, people take our passion
Speaker 1: the wrong way, Like it's like, do you know what
Speaker 1: it took to get here to do all these songs?
Speaker 2: Have you looked at my discography they have?
Speaker 1: Like do you really know what I had to go through?
Speaker 2: Physiography is crazy.
Speaker 1: I have to deal with different people every single day,
Speaker 1: not just different creative people, different creative managers, executives, labels, attorneys,
Speaker 1: street niggas, streets like they don't understand. So you get
Speaker 1: to a point where you be turned, like when like
Speaker 1: when Kanye say, I'm turned, I'm turned. It's not I'm tripping.
Speaker 1: It's just so you know, I'm sorry. On versus, y'all
Speaker 1: just caught me on one of my days. You caught
Speaker 1: me on one of my days to where like, first
Speaker 1: of all, I had two root canals, I was on
Speaker 1: pain pills, right, and my brother's asking me to do
Speaker 1: something that I don't even know what the hell is
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm holding my phone in my house on
Speaker 1: my time and I see that you know it's on.
Speaker 1: It's all so it's motherfucking own. You're just catching me
Speaker 1: and my ship like like, like, really, but I'm at
Speaker 1: my house, y'all. I didn't get paid to do that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, No, we set the
Speaker 1: ship off check up? No, No, we went viral y'all
Speaker 1: seen it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I did. I was in the comments.
Speaker 1: I was reading the comments too, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, oh that's interesting. I'm tripping. Sean tripping now.
Speaker 1: Y'all know, Sean, don't act new, don't act brand new.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm a warrior. I was a warrior for you.
Speaker 1: Remember remember when I did that monster for you? When
Speaker 1: I did that monster for you and you and you. No,
Speaker 1: I was just what we're doing well, what we doing right?
Speaker 1: And and it's it's it's so many you know, as
Speaker 1: they say what they like to say, what they call it, well,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what Stay true to yourself, be real,
Speaker 1: Like you're how complicated it it is for us to
Speaker 1: be real, to be ourselves every day and come out
Speaker 1: and fight every day and give your best and be
Speaker 1: one of the best ever. It's very difficult, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that if there's any show or any
Speaker 1: interview I've ever wanted to do, this is what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do right, because I feel like you guys
Speaker 1: have y'all represent so much more than y'all realize y'all doing.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is what my career was about.
Speaker 1: What you guys are doing. Nobody else is doing this.
Speaker 1: All of y'all all you guys doing podcasts and all
Speaker 1: that type shit. It's cool, but this that real shit
Speaker 1: right here, because this is the real essence of what
Speaker 1: we really do. It's easy for somebody who don't do
Speaker 1: this ship to get on and talk about ship that
Speaker 1: you don't do. But when you motherfucking really do this ship,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear nothing you got to say,
Speaker 1: because you ain't never walked in these You ain't never
Speaker 1: walked in these cleats. You don't even understand how to
Speaker 1: You don't even understand how to run. You can't run
Speaker 1: in these cleats. You never accomplish these goals. You never
Speaker 1: accomplish those goals. And I'm not being disrespectful to anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's always easy to speak on ship
Speaker 1: that you don't do looking from the outside, yeah, but
Speaker 1: when you're really doing the burning fire, you got motherfucker
Speaker 1: shooting at you from all angles all like, like what
Speaker 1: are you talking about the motherfucker I'm helping hates me.
Speaker 1: You have convinced, you have convinced the mother. You got
Speaker 1: a motherfucker in the background, talk hate it on me,
Speaker 1: talk but talking to me, telling me, Hey, push them
Speaker 1: as hard as you can. S Yeah, man, get you
Speaker 1: a ceemon. Yeah, come on, man, what.
Speaker 2: You got over there?
Speaker 1: Chief? What's what you got over there? Man?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, Seaney don't really like cords, but you don't
Speaker 2: give us some corse.
Speaker 1: I love Hey.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't raised up on him, but I definitely
Speaker 1: love him. Yeah. We've done a plenty. We've done plenty
Speaker 1: of hits, plenty of missus Sean Garrett.
Speaker 2: About to go to a place. Man, this is gonna
Speaker 2: be a tough segment for you. Man, Okay, sure, because
Speaker 2: you know, man, if you've done too many of you
Speaker 2: done too many of them yourself. Man, you know, but
Speaker 2: people want to know what they want to know, Chief,
Speaker 2: what's shown Garrett's top fun your top five, top f Yeah,
Speaker 2: your top fick.
Speaker 6: Whatever I would be, he say, no, song, you want
Speaker 6: to know, you got to show.
Speaker 2: You quit up you try to I want to hear.
Speaker 1: I wanna know your top.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, top, fine, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So Sea Garrett, you're top five R and B singers.
Speaker 1: Now tonight, you know, tonight, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be off the cuff. Y'all can't hold me to this,
Speaker 1: y'all can't holp me. I'm just gonna go on the
Speaker 1: emotions tonight.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say this in any order. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start shooting out ideas of vibes or whatever.
Speaker 1: Five one. I'm gonna say, new edition. It is in love.
Speaker 2: He went to songs first. You know what, Sean Garrett. Song,
Speaker 2: We're starting with song. Here we go.
Speaker 1: R and B songs first. I mean, I'm just going
Speaker 1: off field. So you just went crazy on the.
Speaker 2: But I asked you about the artist. I said, artists, Okay,
Speaker 2: songs first, it don't matter.
Speaker 1: I mean I just felt, man, I just feeling.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite songs of all times. How do
Speaker 2: I feel this way?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Why does she stay?
Speaker 1: Why does she stay home? Why does her so bad?
Speaker 1: So sad?
Speaker 2: Inside?
Speaker 1: R and B to the You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: We went really R and B? So I love you,
Speaker 1: Whitney I will always love you and I mm hmm
Speaker 1: uh Billy Jean Michael who because she's not my lover
Speaker 1: strengths when do cry shave? Bobby Brown is my paraorater
Speaker 1: feeling right now?
Speaker 2: It's just emotional mind, you know what I mean? Doesn't songs? Okay? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: Top five R and B artists.
Speaker 1: Straight go Michael with Michael Jackson, Prince with Beyonce.
Speaker 2: Russian, Hey it off, cap it off.
Speaker 1: I wish I had more room, I wish I had
Speaker 1: more hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, listen, listen if you if you
Speaker 2: want to name a.
Speaker 1: Couple more, you can't you I mean, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to go Top five like I mean,
Speaker 1: just that those are the biggest RN B artists in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: All right, Here we go.
Speaker 1: I can tell the ship.
Speaker 2: Here we go. Here we go. We're making R and
Speaker 2: B voltron Okay, you're gonna make your super R and
Speaker 2: B artists all right, Where you're going to get vocal from? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the performing style, the styling, the passion of the artists,
Speaker 2: and who's gonna write for that artist? Mm hmm, here
Speaker 2: we go. Who're getting a vocal from one vocal to
Speaker 2: make your super R and B artist Michael Okay, very
Speaker 2: matter of factly like me. Performance style, who kills the
Speaker 2: stage ship Michael Michael, Michael Michael okay, Michael Michael styling
Speaker 2: the drip of the artist.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: The heart of the artists, who really mean quick quick
Speaker 2: Michael Michael. Yay, this is who's writing for this artist?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 2: I would have I would have thought him.
Speaker 1: I just I would have want to count count.
Speaker 2: Time, my.
Speaker 1: Yod damn?
Speaker 2: Right's right? You goddamn record? Yes sir, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we want to hear it. Hold on, hold on, We're
Speaker 2: not We're not done. We're not trying here just yet.
Speaker 2: He done with you?
Speaker 1: Who someone starting like this?
Speaker 2: What you got.
Speaker 1: Is that donkey Koch? No, it's ain't saying no names
Speaker 1: hey a saying no names, A saying no name here.
Speaker 2: You're saying no niggas saying us who as weird?
Speaker 1: What you did? What else? Say?
Speaker 2: She? I ain't saying no hey hey, let let yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: vay very important.
Speaker 1: Tec. I don't know if I'm the best.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no, listen, listen, listen. We've
Speaker 2: been waiting. We've been waiting for shining cart depend to
Speaker 2: get here. I ain't saying no names, story funny, are
Speaker 2: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? And the travels
Speaker 2: Sean Gerett. I'm talking about from the at L down
Speaker 2: to Germany back to the at L, around the world
Speaker 2: global with these records, the ship you've seen, the ship
Speaker 2: you experienced, funny or fucked up. The only rule to
Speaker 2: the game is you can't say no. You can tell
Speaker 2: us one or two. It's up to you. I like that.
Speaker 1: I would probably say, Man, I think the biggest things,
Speaker 1: the craziest things for me has been like I've had
Speaker 1: so many opportunities to like engage in like you know,
Speaker 1: relationship opportunities to get with a girl that's in the business,
Speaker 1: and I always found my found my way of sliding
Speaker 1: out of it. I felt like it would be it
Speaker 1: would I always looked at it like I think some
Speaker 1: people look at like, hey shit, I'm gonna take this
Speaker 1: opportunity to go ahead and do what I gotta do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always look at like it could come back and
Speaker 1: hunt me. So I really didn't smash out as many
Speaker 1: times as I could have smashed out.
Speaker 2: So you're saying you were offered high level, high level quality.
Speaker 2: Tell listen, listen, No, I was he want to tell
Speaker 2: a story. Though, he want to tell a story about
Speaker 2: getting about some ship. You got to tell the story
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I ain't gonna say no names, but it was definitely.
Speaker 2: How did it happen? Come on? I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was in certain sessions where where there would be
Speaker 1: some really high profile friends that will pop through that
Speaker 1: was open for whatever. I just always found my way
Speaker 1: to slide out of the situation because I always feared
Speaker 1: that I would suck up my career because u mm hmm,
Speaker 1: y'all wanted more.
Speaker 2: I want this actual story you a songwriter, nigga tell
Speaker 2: us one.
Speaker 1: There was just one scenario here we go of this
Speaker 1: really like I would say, huge superstar. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I want. I want to say what she do?
Speaker 1: That's fine, But I was completely off my pivot. I
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was aloof to the idea that she
Speaker 1: really was on me. It was this particular part about
Speaker 1: her that seemed a little bit masculine that had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with her. It was just her body type.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say no names, but she had
Speaker 1: big shoulders, she had some big calves love caves. Nah,
Speaker 1: I just all I can tell you. I mean you,
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck like, I mean it's real,
Speaker 1: like she was really like one of them ones like
Speaker 1: I could have. Yeah, if i'd have died in E
Speaker 1: din't like her calves. The fucking calves is bigger than mine,
Speaker 1: like like no fucking way, Like she's the kickball cheap.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Nah, I don't know. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess in that. Yeah, but she was she was, but
Speaker 1: she's she's she's everything, she's everything to everything. I feel
Speaker 1: like if I would have locked on in, I could
Speaker 1: have probably could have been cool. I could have some calves. Bro.
Speaker 1: The motherfuckers is huge. I was stripping like a nice
Speaker 1: quality calf.
Speaker 2: I don't think he feels like they were quality.
Speaker 1: Calves is a whole. It's a vibe to a calf,
Speaker 1: and then there's a motherfucking extra calf.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like if.
Speaker 1: The calf bigger than mine, like Rugby cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, but.
Speaker 1: It was her about it. I was like, Yo, the
Speaker 1: thing was, the thing was thanking, the thing was thinking
Speaker 1: with the calves. Sucking calves turned me off.
Speaker 2: Bro, swear to God.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you it could have been a movie
Speaker 1: like like like on paper, y'all have been like, Sean,
Speaker 1: you was ripping.
Speaker 2: M you passed the.
Speaker 1: Calves ship was thinking, but them sucking Calves threw me
Speaker 1: all the way to funk off them. Calves is what
Speaker 1: I've been I've been talking about.
Speaker 2: About to have niggas staring at cave.
Speaker 1: Broad Nah, Bro, I got big legs, bro, and I'm
Speaker 1: working with it like I'm cool, but I'm just thinking like, nah,
Speaker 1: that ain't gonna work out. Just met Calves, calves on Calves. Now,
Speaker 1: that was the one time. Yeah, that was the one
Speaker 1: time I fucked up. I fucked that up though, like
Speaker 1: that fuck the Calves. I should have I should have
Speaker 1: been like I should have tapped on in.
Speaker 2: She's somewhere with her legs at right now.
Speaker 1: No watching this, She's the truth. If I told y'all
Speaker 1: who it was, you fucked up Calves everywhere? Yeah, no
Speaker 1: Calves on Calves.
Speaker 2: Brother, brother Sean Garrett. First of all, we want to say, man,
Speaker 2: we appreciate you, brother, Thank you, bron love you like
Speaker 2: we appreciate you like one hundred percent. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying from UH as a peer and as a
Speaker 2: brother like and as fans of what you do. Bro like,
Speaker 2: we we all of those things, all of it, all
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Let me let me askhow us something? When do you
Speaker 1: become a great among your brothers? You know what my
Speaker 1: goal was. My goal was to become a great amongst
Speaker 1: my brothers.
Speaker 2: Well, you did it. You've accomplished it. What are you asking?
Speaker 2: What else you want to know? You've accomplished it, bro man,
Speaker 2: You've done it. You have done it. Everything else, like,
Speaker 2: listen in terms of that, you've done it. Everything else,
Speaker 2: it's just for you.
Speaker 1: You know what. You know what's great about this moment
Speaker 1: is I love you guys man, because you guys have
Speaker 1: a way of being yourselves, giving people a platform, protecting yourselves,
Speaker 1: protecting all brands, building a brand, but at the same time, man,
Speaker 1: being wonderful people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I don't want to bring
Speaker 1: the coast. I will say this, things are different on
Speaker 1: the coast. How people see Shi on the East Coast
Speaker 1: versus how they see Shi on the West Coast is different.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you all that, I gotta say
Speaker 1: that it really is different. You guys man, are really special.
Speaker 1: Y'all translate globally in our community. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And Tank, you know, Jay, I don't get a time.
Speaker 1: I don't get I don't get a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to you as much as I can get a chance to.
Speaker 1: I don't talk to him much as much as I
Speaker 1: want to. But I just want to tell y'all, man,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys have done an amazing job of
Speaker 1: letting the world know that you guys are standing up
Speaker 1: for something that's important to us. Ship is translating because people,
Speaker 1: you guys are making people think that you know, and
Speaker 1: like I said, it's not, it's not. It ain't. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not the first day or the second day. It
Speaker 1: might be the tenth episode that you might see and
Speaker 1: he'd be like, damn, go back and look back, and
Speaker 1: why she's you know what I'm saying. That ship, that's
Speaker 1: ship that's important. It wasn't my first number one that
Speaker 1: people paid attention to me. It's like the fourteenth mm
Speaker 1: hmmmmmm fuck is that? Let me google him and it
Speaker 1: be that song that wasn't the biggest. It be one
Speaker 1: of them songs like.
Speaker 7: DJ want to play that song, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Light on the home front.
Speaker 1: Beat it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Or Papa coming over to give you that wrong favorite position.
Speaker 7: It is one of my due.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: See you already. You gotta stop you you relax, uh man,
Speaker 2: thank you brother, real bro. I'm expecting my record. We
Speaker 2: got a fire record.
Speaker 1: No no, tell him, no, no, no, take some plan
Speaker 1: no like take it's that ship.
Speaker 2: It's fire and you you you was on a cadence
Speaker 2: on there. I said, man, nigga is cadence? What is
Speaker 2: this cadence? He said, that's just that's just that's just
Speaker 2: where it is. Thank you. Gotta be right there, you
Speaker 2: gotta be I said, fuck, I think.
Speaker 1: Ruby cut it. I think Ruby cut this off.
Speaker 2: You cut it, I said, I said, I said, I said,
Speaker 2: I got it. Nail. I gotta nail it back to
Speaker 2: let him here. He's like, no, no, no, do all
Speaker 2: of that and didn't do that. Okay, all right, I
Speaker 2: call you back.
Speaker 1: I played for people like it's it's.
Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta you gotta play it tonight.
Speaker 1: For Jay it's disrespectful.
Speaker 2: You gotta play it.
Speaker 1: It's just no, Jake, you haven't heard it, Like what haven't.
Speaker 2: Heard it here? Tonight?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, the type of ship. No no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: He let the toes out like outside together. Yeah see
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't wear those unless you are real
Speaker 1: confident like I do. This type of ship. Percent No,
Speaker 1: he went crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I really don't know if Jay ready for this one?
Speaker 2: Ja he ready?
Speaker 1: You haven't heard? You're lying, bro.
Speaker 2: You haven't played for I ain't played for nobody, show records.
Speaker 2: I need to hear. I need to hear, ladies and gentleman.
Speaker 2: I am Tank Valentine. This is the RB Buddy podcast
Speaker 2: Sority on all things R and B. First of all,
Speaker 2: the new music is coming. He's promised, promise. I've been
Speaker 2: asking him for a long time. And this is our brother,
Speaker 2: Yes it is. I love you, bro, one of the
Speaker 2: of this ship, you greatest of all time. Y'all make
Speaker 2: some noise. Shan Garrett R and B Money. R and
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