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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Derek Brown, Well not

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Speaker 1: as always, I guess, but joy does sometimes by Derek

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Speaker 1: Brown and by Jake Seely from the athletic guys. We

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Speaker 1: were talking some breakout candidates here will be focusing, of course,

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Speaker 1: some guys in the middle and late rounds. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do this countdown style five to one from each of you,

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Speaker 1: ending with our number one breakout candidates, Debro. How are

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Speaker 1: you feeling the day after Fantasy Fest?

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Speaker 2: I was like, we do ones one or two segments

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Speaker 2: on fest. I haven't podcasted with you forever, and I

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Speaker 2: already feel like I hear the hints in your voice

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Speaker 2: of h got another show with this dude. I'll do

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Speaker 2: a good worm Love you.

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Speaker 1: I love you too. Also, you might notice the two

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Speaker 1: hours of the fest that I was hosting. I did

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Speaker 1: the first two hours yesterday, which probably everybody should go

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Speaker 1: check out. It is available. You can rewatch it on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You could pick and choose your favorite segments with favorite

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Speaker 1: guests if you want. We had JJ Zachareson, Andy Barns,

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Speaker 1: Tara Roberts, Dave Richard, the Eisenberg, justin Boone, Jake, seely

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Speaker 1: tons of people on there was a super fun time.

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Speaker 3: We say, Barry the lead there, dude, come on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was kind of going in order of

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Speaker 1: when folks are fured out on this show, but it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, six hours if you include the hour on

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Speaker 1: twitch at the end, the after party of a fantasy coverage.

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Speaker 1: Everybody should go check that out. There's a best of

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Speaker 1: the fest available audio version on like Spotify and where

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Speaker 1: you listen to your podcast also, so we had a

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Speaker 1: ton of fun. I will point out Debro. Then, in

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Speaker 1: the two hours that I was hosting, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we discussed a single Ravens player, so you can, you know,

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Speaker 1: back off of this stands. Finally, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Contractually, I know that you're you're obligated to mention the

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Speaker 2: Ravens at least once every show, even if it's not

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Speaker 2: a player, seeing as we've done here, so I get it.

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Speaker 3: Check. I will say, if you do want to watch

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Speaker 3: the mock draft, probably the most fun because Debro and

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Speaker 3: I were taking shots at each other the entire time,

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Speaker 3: including I almost cursed live on your stream.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, dude, Well take besides, you know,

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Speaker 1: hopping on to the fest. What do you have going

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Speaker 1: on these days, especially over at the Athletic, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean the full draft giit is basically almost done at

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Speaker 3: this point. But I will say I actually did one

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Speaker 3: by the suggestion of one of the heads of all

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Speaker 3: the New York Times said the draft mistakes that people make,

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Speaker 3: because I brought it up at a meeting that we

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Speaker 3: and so it's the biggest draft mistake everybody makes every

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Speaker 3: single year. Well not everybody, but you guys know this

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Speaker 3: wasting your bench. So if you want to go see

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Speaker 3: how you stop wasting your bench, you can check that out.

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Speaker 1: That sounds good, I know that's that's been a talking

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Speaker 1: point for you a lot this summer as we've done

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Speaker 1: you know, more shows together. Is the not wasting your bench.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a big point of view. So definitely,

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Speaker 1: like great piece of advice. Everybody should go check out

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Speaker 1: everything that Jake is working on over at the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: Which ties in today's piece this, I mean, what we're

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Speaker 3: doing today. These are ten pieces that should be on

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Speaker 3: your bench instead.

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Speaker 1: Of the last the stretting this game. Yeah, these guys

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Speaker 1: that can that can break out that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be looking at. A reminder for everybody that all of

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Speaker 1: our twenty twenty five consensus rankings tiers can be found

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Speaker 1: at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. Guys, let's dive right in.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we're gonna go five to one here,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be ending with kind of the biggest breakout candidate.

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Speaker 1: But obviously these are guys that you know, we believe

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Speaker 1: in to some degree. All ten of these names. Jake

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Speaker 1: will start with you. Who's your number five?

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Speaker 3: My number five. I'll go to quarterback first. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: go to Bryce Young. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 3: But I think the more interesting part for me was

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Speaker 3: we might be looking at Bryce Young by the end

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Speaker 3: McCarthy is a great one. But I don't think that

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Speaker 1: I really agree with this call when I look at

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Speaker 1: But the problem, I think is like there is just

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you I have him in front of Tua

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Speaker 3: He's going to be QB sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and those

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Speaker 3: We're all super excited. If he's a bust, you move

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Speaker 1: It's just remarkable how many names I like it too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, we're into the early to mid twenties

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Speaker 1: remarkably deep position. Deever, obviously the guy in this like

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is Bryce Young one of your favorites in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fantastic target, man, Like, especially in super

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Speaker 2: flex drafts, He's a fantastic target. And for everything that

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Speaker 2: that breakout, weeks twelve through eighteen, he was the QB

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Speaker 2: twelfth best amongst quarterbacks. So the line that I was

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Speaker 3: Is what and what with me? I put it this way,

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Speaker 3: they're almost almost back to back for me, Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is your pick. If you're gonna double tap

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Speaker 3: like I said, Bryce Young would be my Actually think

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Speaker 1: I agreed, I love Young this year. This is this

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Speaker 1: is We can move on from it. But I just

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Speaker 1: think this is a great pick. Dude rushed for five

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the low hanging fruit here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: ahead and get it over with. I know I'm cheating

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Speaker 2: a little bit because I understand Bill Crosskey Merrit Jaquori

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Speaker 2: Crosskey Merrit on the site in the ADPs. It's not

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Speaker 2: in those like RB sixty to seventy range updating my

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Speaker 2: doing some forecasting, but I got to bring him up

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Speaker 2: the process. Like I know, I've seen all the tweets

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Speaker 2: and everybody out there like, all right at the one

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Speaker 2: Bill? Are you taking? Justin? Jeffersoner CD Lamb. But like,

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Speaker 2: for in all reality's sake, if Brian Robertson Jr. Has

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Speaker 2: time of recording this, I have him at RB thirty two,

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Speaker 2: So I am forecasting that Brian Robertson Junior is cut

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Speaker 2: or traded. Now, if that doesn't happen, we get closer

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Speaker 2: to week one as you're listening to this, rankings and

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Speaker 2: things like that will change. But I'm putting him right

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Speaker 2: into that Brian Robertson Junior role. And I understand Chris

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez is there, and I've loved Chris Rodriguez in previous seasons.

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Speaker 2: This isn't an anti Chris Rodriguez take. But to me,

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Speaker 2: if you really believe in Chris Rodriguez one, why didn't

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Speaker 2: Washington use him at all last year?

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Speaker 1: Why was he buried?

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Speaker 2: Why they go draft another running back instead of putting

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Speaker 2: or faith behind him and Jacorey Krossky merit. Even in

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Speaker 2: the draft process, people got go back and check out

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Speaker 2: the NFL Draft show for fantasy pros talked about him

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Speaker 1: All right, Jake, who is your number four breakout? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Cedric Tillman. And this was kind

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Speaker 3: Look at this. I just did some quick numbers, not

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Speaker 2: far as the number two target or at least competing

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Speaker 2: within Joku for that spot is dude, I was all

433
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Speaker 2: in on Deontay Johnson as like a last round pick.

434
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Speaker 2: The vibes have been pretty bad throughout camp, like came

435
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Speaker 2: in out of shape things like that, Like there's worries

436
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Speaker 2: like again like like Jake just mentioned, like I don't

437
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Speaker 2: know if he's on the roster week on, so again,

438
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Speaker 2: like my worries were. You know, the thing that I

439
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 2: was talking about earlier in the offseason was if Deontay

440
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Speaker 2: Johnson didn't get cut, like if he didn't move on

441
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Speaker 2: from Carolina where we'd be drafting him. But you come

442
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Speaker 2: in and like a team offers you a contract that

443
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Speaker 2: you were like just sitting at home on the couch

444
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Speaker 2: for much of the offseason and you're basically out of shape,

445
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Speaker 2: You're not ready. That's not good, dude, So yes, that

446
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: that increases the pathway for Cedric Tillman.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, de bro, Let's go to your number

448
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Speaker 1: four dude.

449
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Speaker 2: We've talked about him on a bunch of shows. Need

450
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Speaker 2: to talk about him again. Here it's Tucker Craft. I mean,

451
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Speaker 2: going is the tight end eleven? I mean what he

452
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 2: did on a per route basis, And we all have

453
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Speaker 2: our own takes about, Okay, who is the Packers wide

454
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Speaker 2: receiver to draft this year? Who's the guy that could

455
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Speaker 2: step up might not be a wide receiver at all,

456
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Speaker 2: could be their tight end. And the skill set, I mean,

457
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Speaker 2: he's an athletic marvel. So we know that the high

458
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 2: end athleticism is tied to possible high end outcomes or

459
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Speaker 2: at least gives you that opportunity. At the tight end position,

460
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Speaker 2: it's with the most correlated or highly correlated position two

461
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Speaker 2: athleticism and all of fantasy, like we talk about a

462
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Speaker 2: year after year, like just because you run really fast

463
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Speaker 2: than a straight line doesn't mean that you're gonna be

464
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Speaker 2: a good wide receiver. We see running backs who run

465
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Speaker 2: four six's and stuff like that produced because of volume

466
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Speaker 2: and one have you in fantasy. But with tight end

467
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 2: you've got to be a top tier athlete or you're

468
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Speaker 2: not gonna put up possible top tier numbers and craft.

469
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is just a medical marvel, Like

470
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Speaker 2: he's he's athletic as I'll get out. You look at

471
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Speaker 2: the per route metrics last year. I mean, yes, he

472
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Speaker 2: was twentieth in target share. Yes he was twenty seventh

473
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Speaker 2: first read chair if those numbers come around, because again,

474
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Speaker 2: target volume is a reflection of not only of talent,

475
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Speaker 2: and those targets are earned. Craft could earn a craft

476
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Speaker 2: on he's I mean, he's a quietly good bet to

477
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Speaker 2: maybe lead the packers and targets this year and If

478
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Speaker 2: he does that, he's gonna have a massive breakout season

479
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Speaker 2: because the perrout efficiency was awesome last year. Like amongst

480
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Speaker 2: all forty seven qualifying tight ends last year, Tucker Craft

481
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: twelfth most receiving yards. Again on little limited volume that

482
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Speaker 2: I talked about, he was seventh yards per run, third

483
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Speaker 2: and miss tackles forced, and he was first in yak

484
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Speaker 2: per reception. So the per route numbers scream that if

485
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Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers want to feature arguably their most

486
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Speaker 2: talented pass catcher on that roster, that could be Tucker Craft.

487
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Speaker 2: And if this all happens, that he could be sniffing

488
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Speaker 2: like top five, top six type of production this year.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Deebro, there's a chance I mean you

490
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Speaker 1: said top five, top six. Do you think there's a

491
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Speaker 1: chance of him breaking into the top three or is

492
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Speaker 1: that just too strong? With Bowers, McBride and Kittle.

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Speaker 2: It's possible. But with those guys, what they need to

494
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Speaker 2: happen for him to even sniff that rarefied air. The

495
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Speaker 2: Packers are going to have to lean back into the

496
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Speaker 2: passing game, and not like in a league average passing rate,

497
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Speaker 2: but they're going to have to be somewhere in like

498
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Speaker 2: the top fourteen to fifteen type of filum as far

499
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Speaker 2: as passing rate for him to get the target volume

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Speaker 2: to even be close to competing with those guys. If

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Speaker 2: that doesn't happen, the no, I think the more like

502
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Speaker 2: high end expectations for him is probably top five, top

503
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Speaker 2: six Jick.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's enough volume there for anybody in

505
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Speaker 1: this Packers offense? I mean the reputation, like bridebro is

506
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Speaker 1: alluding to, is that the ball gets spread out a lot.

507
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Speaker 1: That's what a lot of people talk about. Do you

508
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Speaker 1: think Craft can rise above that and have this kind

509
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Speaker 1: of like top five ish tight end season.

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Speaker 3: I do, mostly because it's a twofold factor here is

511
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Speaker 3: that we expect better for Jordan Love. The guy was

512
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Speaker 3: basically dealing with an injury from the gate jump out

513
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Speaker 3: of the gate, and then got injured again, and so

514
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Speaker 3: he's dealing with two last year. I know he's already

515
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Speaker 3: got the thumb with that's. On the other hand, I

516
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Speaker 3: think that if you see Jordan Love bounce back, you

517
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Speaker 3: want to talk about injuries. We are also dealing with

518
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Speaker 3: injuries to Dobbs Wicks, Saveon Williams. He was even heard

519
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Speaker 3: the other rookie, Like it's down the line, we have

520
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Speaker 3: one clear option, Matthew Golden is clearly going to be

521
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Speaker 3: the one, but it's actually read even got banged up

522
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Speaker 3: this preseason, like who's healthy? So like the biggest question

523
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Speaker 3: here might be this might be the Chiefs, this might

524
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Speaker 3: be the other teams where the tight end is actually

525
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Speaker 3: the number two. And if so, I was actually gonna

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Speaker 3: ask debro this because I'm really curious. Is back when

527
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Speaker 3: the draft happened, I made a joke and people came

528
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Speaker 3: for me. I was like, but I made a joke.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's weird that they took the better tight

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Speaker 3: end around later when they took Kraft after Musgrave and

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Speaker 3: oh my god, the people that came for me on

532
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Speaker 3: that just wait, so were you on me with that one?

533
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Speaker 3: Because that's what Okay, there is a.

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Speaker 2: Receipt out there. I tweeted this right after the draft.

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Speaker 2: I was a big Tucker Craft guy in that draft

536
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Speaker 2: class and I was not in a Luke Musgrave. I

537
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Speaker 2: tweeted this, and people can go search X for it.

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Speaker 2: It's still out there somewhere in the ether that this

539
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Speaker 2: was the same exact situation as when Baltimore drafted Hayden

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Speaker 2: Hurst and Mark Andrews, and Kraft was the Andrews in

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Speaker 2: this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Now, who's bringing up the Ravens, do you bro Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just trying.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I actually I actually agreed that. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a good comp in terms, is like the better

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Speaker 1: guy going later. I think I might be misremembering, but

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Speaker 1: I think what the year the Ravens took Likely it

548
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Speaker 1: was after they took Kohler. It was in the same route.

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Speaker 1: I forget they took first, but that's like another one

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Speaker 1: where like the better tight end goes later. I think

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Speaker 1: likely might have been taking I can't remember they were

552
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Speaker 1: taking this. To look it up, it was a year

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Speaker 1: they had like five fourth round picks, so I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the order. But to your point, like the clear

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Speaker 1: example there is like Andrews and Hurst ays, like a

556
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Speaker 1: comp is the same, I totally agree with you. Like

557
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Speaker 1: like Kraft, I liked Craft better. I'm not as in

558
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Speaker 1: the weeds with the prospects as you guys are, but

559
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Speaker 1: like I also liked Craft better, so I would love

560
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Speaker 1: to see him get the volume for this to pan out.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty invested in Craft and Dynasty I think he's

562
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Speaker 1: a really talented player, and I just like you talk

563
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Speaker 1: about d Road. The per route metrics are so good

564
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Speaker 1: that like I want to see him get more opportunity

565
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Speaker 1: because I just think he's a really good player.

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Speaker 2: Yes, to your point, Kohler went at four to twenty

567
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Speaker 2: three and a Likely was eleven picks behind him, So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want raise it.

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Speaker 2: Ravens knowledge, of course, Welee Weeks pick nothing less from Worm.

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Speaker 1: I think what it was was they wanted Calvin Austin,

571
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Speaker 1: and then the Steelers like traded up and took Austin,

572
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Speaker 1: and so then the Ravens had to switch and they

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Speaker 1: were like, well we do like Likely even though we

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Speaker 1: already got a tight end. So yeah, I mean it happened.

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Speaker 1: It's happened on more than one occasion that a team

576
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Speaker 1: like takes multiple tight ends in the same draft from

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Speaker 1: the second guy is just better.

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Speaker 2: M HM agreed.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jake, let's go to your number three breakout candidate.

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Speaker 3: This one might feel a little layup ish just because

581
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Speaker 3: of the recent news, but I just wanted to point

582
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Speaker 3: out Braylon Allen to call back you and I I'm

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Speaker 3: talking to Worm here on this one. This was like

584
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Speaker 3: two months ago at this point where we were talking

585
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Speaker 3: about Justin Fields and looped in the running back situation.

586
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Speaker 3: I said it was explaining I think it was one

587
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Speaker 3: of those running backs were not drafting in quotes or

588
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Speaker 3: something like that, and I was saying why I was

589
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Speaker 3: out on Brice Hall and to check the receipts. And

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Speaker 3: this isn't to be like, haha, this is all we're

591
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Speaker 3: doing today is checking receipts and victory lapping. But I

592
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Speaker 3: want to bring up the reason of why I was

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Speaker 3: off Breece Hall, and it's because if you look back

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Speaker 3: at Justin Field's teams and back with the Bears in

595
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Speaker 3: his best season, the running back that was next to

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Speaker 3: him when they were inside the ten and getting the

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Speaker 3: touchdown equity was the bigger back. Because it offsets field

598
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Speaker 3: style when you get to the goal line, the pass catching,

599
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Speaker 3: elusive running back kind of biles things up a little

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Speaker 3: bit for what they're both. You basically have two guys

601
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Speaker 3: trying to do the same. So you bring in the

602
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Speaker 3: bigger back and you kind of offset with the defense

603
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Speaker 3: is prepared for you. Now you have to stuff the middle,

604
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Speaker 3: but also extend outside to prevent fields or the elusiveness.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I brought it up. It's like I

606
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Speaker 3: was really concerned that Braylan Allen was not just going

607
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Speaker 3: to be a time share, but he was going to

608
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Speaker 3: steal these important touchdown equity carries in a backfield where

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Speaker 3: we go back to the running quarterback. Is that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what we have to chase when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: a split backfield. And I don't think Breese Hall is

612
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Speaker 3: going to be terrible. I would still take him as

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Speaker 3: a mid low RB two, but I think Braylan Allen's

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Speaker 3: in the conversation to steal the work and I would

615
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Speaker 3: almost give it the reverse of the Steelers last year,

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Speaker 3: like basically if jaaln Warren was the lead in Naje

617
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Speaker 3: Harris was the second piece. I think that's what we

618
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Speaker 3: can see for the Jets, which again goes back to

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Speaker 3: the touchdown equity and all that being said, I do

620
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Speaker 3: think there's a non zero chance where he's so good

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Speaker 3: that all of a sudden Brie Hall's kicked into the

622
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Speaker 3: complimentary piece. That's a possible outcome here. So I think

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Speaker 3: that Braylan Allen not only getting to relevancy where you

624
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Speaker 3: can use him, but also having the upside, if Breesehall

625
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Speaker 3: were too stumble or well, if he got hurt, Brayleon

626
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: Allen would be a top twenty running back option. So

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of appeal for Braylon Allen

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: those mid rounds.

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Speaker 1: Deebro, where are you at on Alan? Is he somebody

630
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Speaker 1: that you are reaching for, like in the anticipation of

631
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Speaker 1: maybe a better workload and a possible breakout or are

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Speaker 1: you going against Jake on this one?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm fine with Braylon Allen where he goes. I

634
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: think if you're trying to catch up with running back

635
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Speaker 2: or if you're playing the outcomes, the possible outcomes and

636
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Speaker 2: the Jets backfield, there's an easy like there's a na

637
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: zero chance that Breesehall is gone. They trade him away

638
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: at some point this season, and Braylan Allen is the

639
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: guy that where you plug in and he's maybe like

640
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: a touchdown dependent flex at the beginning of the year,

641
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 2: and maybe he vaults to being an RB two. Because

642
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: I do believe whether it's Breecee Hall and Breylan Allen

643
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: or Isaiah Davis and Braylan Allen, this is going to

644
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: stay at committee. But Kim Braylan Allen usurp or can

645
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: he take the lead of that committee because the vibes

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Speaker 2: around Breese Hall and the preseason usage we've seen so far,

647
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: it's been split almost down the middle, and Aaron Glenn

648
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: has been true to his word, like they're gonna use

649
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: multiple backs. So like where he goes and drafts is

650
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: totally fine taking.

651
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: A shot on it.

652
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: Where's he ranked for you?

653
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: De bro Ooh, I've got him somewhere in the RB

654
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: three conversation.

655
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: Somewhere. He's RB forty six in ECR right now.

656
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: I've got him somewhere in that RB three conversation. Depending

657
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: on the day. I'm still kind of shit. Like today,

658
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: I'm kind of updating ranked.

659
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: So you take Braylan Allen Joe Mixon if you draft today.

660
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Oh, good lord, Braylan Allen, I'm not sure Joe Mixon's

661
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: is straight up, Joe Mixon is off my draft board.

662
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: Not not driving around fourteen not.

663
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm not prized in forcing. I want nothing to do

664
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: with Joe.

665
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: Joe asked me that the other day. What's the price

666
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: enforcement on Joe Mixon is like none?

667
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: Zero?

668
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not doing it?

669
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: No, no, not of less interest. It's there there's a

670
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: great sign that I've used as a meme on the

671
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Fantasy PRES's account before. It's some car dealership and it

672
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: just says zero percent interest. That is me with Joe

673
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Mixon in drafts. I have zero percent interests.

674
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: He who runs the Fantasy Pro social account. By the way, Yeah.

675
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to a deray your number three.

676
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the third guy again, like kind of we

677
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: were talking about low hanging Fred here. I feel like

678
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: this is obvious, but we got to talk about him. Man,

679
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Ricky Piersoll, Like he's at wide receiver forty two in ADP,

680
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: like you see him anywhere from like the wide receiver

681
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: three to the wide receiver four range. I want to

682
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: stay above consensus because I think the breakout is real

683
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: and it's coming. Man. Like, I went back and this

684
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: past Sunday, I watched all the all twenty two so

685
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: far of the preseason of Ricky Piersoll. Earlier this offseason,

686
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: I went back and I watched all of his routes

687
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: from last season, and the usage changed throughout the season

688
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: for Piersol, and I think we're seeing a different player

689
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: than we saw at any point so far in the

690
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: preseason and we saw any point last year, his Christmas

691
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: getting off the line, his releases, his en route, ability

692
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: to gear down and separate has been fantastic. You've seen

693
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: in the preseason, like there's been talks about him and

694
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: Rock Party working out in the all season, and you

695
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: saw the continuity in the preseason. There's one particular route

696
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: where piersol is either running a slant or an over route.

697
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: I forget the exact route he was running, but during

698
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: that he's crossing the middle of the field and you're like, dude,

699
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: if you can going the way you're going, you're just

700
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: gonna get washed out. In the play, he sits down

701
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: as Party's move in to his left. He sits down

702
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: in the middle of his own coverage. Party. It's like

703
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: he anticipated he was going to do that and nails

704
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: him on the crosser. And so I think you're seeing

705
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: the continuity the role and the player's talent just bubble

706
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: to the top. And then when we zoom out about

707
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: this offense, we don't know when we're going to see

708
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: a healthy and effective version of Brandon Aiyuk Jwan Jennings

709
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: is dealing with the calf injury, whether that's real or

710
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: contract related, we can all discuss, but then it's this

711
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: passing attack boils down to especially in the early going,

712
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: Like everybody keeps talking about Juwan Jennings and what he

713
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: did last year. Dude, what if that's the Ricky Piersoll

714
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: role this year? What if he's the guy getting the

715
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: thirty percent first reach here? And we saw that at

716
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 2: the very two last games of life season where he

717
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: was operating that role and he looked freaking amazing at

718
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: doing it like in those two games. And I know

719
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: it's a small sample, but we have seen him flash.

720
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: We have seen them feature in him in a high

721
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: volume role where he was the wide receiver seven and

722
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: the wide receiver fourteen. In those two weeks, he almost

723
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: a twenty two percent target chair and he had a

724
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: thirty point four percent first read cheer and he crushed.

725
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: So I think we're looking at like, yes, this is

726
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: a guy who has former first round draft capital. You

727
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: look at all the parts or pieces around him and

728
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: it just screams, we need to be above market and

729
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: this guy is heading for a huge season.

730
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: It's funny because we did a breakout segment with Andy

731
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Barns and Andrew Erickson on the fest yesterday and Andy

732
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: picked Ricky Piercell and he said the same thing you

733
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: did at the beginning, which is it kind of feels

734
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: like low hanging through, like might be too obvious of

735
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: a pick, but I think it's worth continuing to bring

736
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: up because he is still righted, I mean, his his

737
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: ECR is wide Receiver thirty six. Ed Parents was saying,

738
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: he was like, I have him as like borderlining, like

739
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: as an RB two, Like this is a guy that

740
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: should be going out of the top twenty four given

741
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: all the stuff that you just listened out. And he was,

742
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, making some more points yesterday, like I don't

743
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: know if you would rank him there. That that kind

744
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: of tier of receivers is very big. We've talked about

745
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: that before, Jake, Those like kind of mid twenties into

746
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: the thirties range of receivers can go a lot of

747
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: different directions. But Pearsall is currently at the back end

748
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: of that technically is at the top of tier six

749
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: right now. And that just like it's not going up

750
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: despite the fact that we keep bringing him up and

751
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: saying this is too obvious of a pick, but we

752
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: have to keep bringing it up because he is still

753
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: ranked in an area that just just feels too low Jake.

754
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: So when I opened this list, the first name I

755
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: noticed on Deebros. Was like son of ap he took

756
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: Ricky pearsoll just I mean, I just knew it like

757
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 3: and to be fair, like I actually had him as

758
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: my number one, So ha haa do we take you

759
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: one step forward? Now? But if you were watching the video,

760
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: I pointed at Debro when he said one thing, and

761
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad he brought this up. So when Pearsall came

762
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: out of college and actually said coming out of college,

763
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: he's Darius Slayton right now, because because he doesn't work

764
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: zone well. And what Deebra just said is like he

765
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: will run straight through the openings and zone. He won't

766
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: sit down, he won't find the space, He'll just keep

767
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: running and not know when to stop the routes or

768
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: pull them off. And you saw that development shortly at

769
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: the end of last year. Deebra brought up a really

770
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: good point in the fact that yeah, everybody's like, well,

771
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: he didn't have much through his first couple of games

772
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: until the end he was being used differently. Again, there's

773
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: development with how the team and the player both go

774
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: hand in hand, and everybody wants to talk about Jennings,

775
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: and admittedly so, but let's talk about if not for

776
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: that forty point game, after that, and Jennings was already

777
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: the dude at that point. After that, he had five

778
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: more games of double digit points. Three of those were

779
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: between ten and twelve, not even huge games. And after

780
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: that point as well, six games of seven points are fewer.

781
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: It's not even like he was gangbusters after that huge game.

782
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: He was basically a boom or bust wide receiver four.

783
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: So if you're looking who steps into this role, which

784
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: is the one thing I want to bring up too,

785
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 3: is I said that a few months ago. Is I

786
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: know Debra luck of this too is that when au

787
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: comes back, I kept bringing up Ayuk's threat is Jennings,

788
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: Like Jennings loses his job when I comes back. Ayuk

789
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: does not replace Piercell. Piercell stays. Piercell fits the deebo role.

790
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: He's not Debo, but he filts that role. And that's

791
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 3: what's most important here. I cannot agree more on Ricky Piersel.

792
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,719
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Speaker 1: home of Fantasy Sports. Jake, let's go to your number two.

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Speaker 3: Actually forgot my number. I was so jazzed up for

817
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: Ricky Pearson.

818
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Love it.

819
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 3: It's Marvin Mims. And this is going to be strange

820
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: for anybody that's listened to me throughout the years, because

821
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: I was never the biggest Marvin Mims fan. One of

822
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: the things that I said about him was he's a

823
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: possession wide receiver, which immediately creates a perception. People lose

824
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: their minds for that one of these because people think possession,

825
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: they think ten yards and down. My point about that

826
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: is that Marvion Mims, it can be twenty five forty

827
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: yards downfield, but he catches the ball and goes down.

828
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: That was my point. It's like wherever he catches it

829
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: and the story it's over. There's no yak with him.

830
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: And that was my biggest concern is that it's just

831
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: where he's going to be on the field when he

832
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: catches the ball and then cool whatever. So he's really

833
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: dictating on how many targets he gets, how big of

834
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: his plays are. And yes, he has tons of big playability,

835
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: somebody else who's developing and not surprisingly developing under Sean Payton.

836
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: And I know there's been late talk with all the

837
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: other wide receivers and maybe another one steps up, but

838
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: as of what we've seen so far, he's clearly been

839
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: the number two. He's been run out there as the

840
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: number two. He's coming off the field with the starters,

841
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: and if he has any development underneath the Sean Payton.

842
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: I was not a huge fan of Pat Bryant, but

843
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: I like Pat Bryant after the drafting position because like, hey,

844
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: there's some similarities to like a Michael Thomas, big slot option.

845
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: Well he doesn't always have to run in the slot,

846
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: that being Marvin Mims, but a similar style profile if

847
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: that Sean Payton has turned him into that, which is

848
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: very possible. And now we're talking about Marvin Mims clearly

849
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: is the number two and potentially having one hundred and

850
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: plus one hundred plus targets. Because here's the really other

851
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: interesting part not to come for Evan Ingram, but Evan

852
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: Ingram's used so far in the preseason has not been

853
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: the joker and not been in a very heavy target basis,

854
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: as he's been rolling out some two tight end sets

855
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: and even some single tight end sets which haven't included Ingram.

856
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: So if we're looking for who the two is similar

857
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: to the Craft situation, the two that we know right

858
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: now is actually Marvin Mims.

859
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this, Jake, Marvin Mims is

860
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver fifty eight in ECR to Sevil Tilman is

861
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver fifty seven in ECO.

862
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: Oh, take things Marvin Mims more than ten, and that's

863
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: why it's higher up on my list. But I would

864
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: take both well well over ACR right now.

865
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, late late fifties is pretty low for those guys

866
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: like Brandon Ayuk is ahead of both of them with

867
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: his injury stuff going on. Christian Kirk is ahead of

868
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: both of them. I'd rather take them Darnold Moony.

869
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Ray Morris was like, we hope to see Darnel Mooney

870
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: this season. He said, this season? How are we still

871
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: taking Mooney over both of them?

872
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Bateman, who I like, is ahead of both of them.

873
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake.

874
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: Oh good, tell me what four good games Bateman's gonna have,

875
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: and then you can draft exactly. If you can tell

876
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: me the four good weeks, go right ahead.

877
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, no, they're they're they're like, that's it's

878
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: funny that they're both backed back. Uh. De bro, you

879
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: have a long history with Marvin Mims. What do you

880
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: think about him this year as a breakout candidate?

881
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Dude? I think it's very telling. And I was honestly

882
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: shocked when he came out and what was it, was

883
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: it preseason week one or week two? And he ran

884
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: what was it? Fifteen? I'm pulling this all out of memory,

885
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: fifteen of the sixteen snaps that the starters ran, and

886
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: he's on the field and two wide receiver sets, Like

887
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that dude, to be honest, like, I

888
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: especially if you look at his usage last year, it

889
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: was so gadgety. It was backfield stuff, backfield routes. His

890
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: design target rate was through the freaking roof, And I

891
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: was like, oh, dude, this is this is not a

892
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: guy we're gonna like worry about this year. I bumped

893
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: up his ranking, like I had him languishing in like

894
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: the low sixties, high seventies. I bumped him up to

895
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: where I'm basically kind of like even with ECR, like

896
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm in the like somewhere in the fifties on a

897
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: daily basis with him because I want to be even

898
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: with ECR with him because that full time role I

899
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: wasn't expecting. But again, like it comes back to the preseason,

900
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: how what do we take away from from their usage?

901
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: What is good like good usage nuggets and what is

902
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: paralysis by over analysis? And I think the usage from

903
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Marvin Mims is something we do need to take into

904
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: account with how we're looking at his ranking, how we're

905
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: looking at and projecting his role for this year. And again,

906
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: as we learn more about these players, what do you

907
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: take away and what do you just toss the and

908
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: the trash and say, ah, that's that's noise, that's garbage.

909
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to your number two you bro.

910
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's the guy that I've I've been above consensus,

911
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: remain above consensus. It's funny. Jake and I were talking

912
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: about him pre show before we turned on the MIC's

913
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: and and the cameras. But George Pickens, baby breakout season

914
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: here for it. I tweeted this out and I fully

915
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: believe this this year, the Dallas Cowboys are going to

916
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: be this year's version of the Cincinnati Bengals. And in

917
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: this comparison, I'm making George Pickens can be the T

918
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: Higgins in this offense. I bumped up his ranking. I

919
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: still think adp ecr best ball all the things. He's

920
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: still going too freaking late. The breakout is coming. And

921
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: for a player that I'm comfortably ranking him aggressively as

922
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: a wide receiver two and he's being drafted as a

923
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: wide receiver three. The talent is there now, the volume

924
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: is going to be there. Going from a Pittsburgh Steelers

925
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: offense last year those bottom ten and passing attempts to

926
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: a Dallas offense we know is going to be top

927
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: five to ten in passing attempts. It's wheels up for

928
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: George Pickens man. And last year Arthur Smith could not

929
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: stop him from putting up strong per route metrics, where

930
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: before the hamstring injury weeks one through thirteen, this dude

931
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: was eighteenth in separation and eighth in yards per route run.

932
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: He's not coming off the field. We're not going to

933
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: get any of the Arthur Smith ignorance this year. Like

934
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: Dallas knows where their bread needs to be buttered, and

935
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: George Pickens all the vibes are awesome. That's the other thing.

936
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: In a contract year where we're talking about Jerry's doing

937
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: stupid stuff with Michael Parsons. Everything is aces up right now.

938
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: So far in the preseason and camp for George Pickens.

939
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if Dallas pays him or not, but

940
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: he is going to put up one heck of a

941
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: season and really make the case that Jerry's gonna have

942
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: to open up the pocketbook yet again.

943
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Where do you have him ranked Stever, He's currently ECR

944
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: is wide receiver twenty nine and half PPR scoring. Is

945
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: that to it sounds like you're saying this too low?

946
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: Top fifteen wide receiver top. I'm gonna stand on that

947
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: top fifteen.

948
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: I figured you'd be high, much higher. Actually I didn't

949
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: realize top fifteen. Wow, What do you think about that?

950
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: Jake? That's I'm wowed by it. But I think it's

951
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: in the world of possibilities because the one conversation that

952
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: Debro and I were having before this show is that

953
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: his name needs to be in there with t Higgins

954
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: and Jamison Williams and Devata Smith and all the twos

955
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: on offenses where the volume is there clearly the option, Yeah,

956
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson could bounce back, but he like, it's not

957
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: going to be the volume that George Pickens is gonna

958
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: see and just kind of similar to those names. And

959
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: the biggest thing is that if he finishes fifteen, you know,

960
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: deebro is going to look super smart. But the thing

961
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: is even if he finishes wide receiver twenty five, that's

962
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: not going to be like he was wrong. It's just

963
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: it might be a difference of one or two touchdowns

964
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: because this tier is so enormous. I mean, we go

965
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: from t Higgins at what I have him as like

966
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirteen fourteen, and you go down to where

967
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: I have like Jalen Wattle. Jayla Wall is another one

968
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: that should be in this conversation, Jalen Wattle into the

969
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: mid twenties, and the difference between them are like one

970
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: to two points per game, if even too it's more

971
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: like one one and a half. So it's not a

972
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 3: huge difference. So yeah, it might sound crazy, he'd be like,

973
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: oh my god, why receiver fifteen, But he's just making

974
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: a statement and that like he thinks that's the real

975
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: upside for Pickens. I might not disagree. I mean I agree,

976
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: I disagree, but I still have Pickens in the high twenties.

977
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: So it's like that I'm not that.

978
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: Far off, yep, that long tier. It comes down to volume,

979
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: and it comes down to touchdowns and stuff like that.

980
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: And I just I think when we look at the

981
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: projection of Pickens his volume median and upside case with

982
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: how much Dallas is gonna throw the fricking ball, we

983
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: know where the ball is going. The running backs are

984
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: not gonna take a huge chunk of the passing game

985
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: out of this. Even if Jayden Blue like breaks out

986
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: in a full way, I don't think he's a guy

987
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: that's getting seventy, like sixty seventy eighty targets in that offense.

988
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: So it's like, where does the volume go? If Dak

989
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: Prescott is going to be top five to ten in

990
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: passing attempts, where does the volume go? We know Cede Lamb,

991
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: but dude, he's he's gonna get is like one hundred

992
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: and sixty, one hundred and eighty targets or whatever. All right,

993
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: So where's the rest of it go? Do you think

994
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: Jake Ferguson's getting one hundred and fifty targets? Well that's

995
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: not happen. So where's it going. It's going right to

996
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: George Pickens.

997
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: If you go to player pages on Fantasy Pros and

998
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: click on rankings, you can see where each expert has

999
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: a guy ranked. Debro is the highest ranked expert on.

1000
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: You if you just go to his player pages just

1001
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: to a picture of Debro.

1002
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm just staring, like at George Pickens. I'm just

1003
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: staring at the TV. Should look at the rankings.

1004
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: De Rose is the highest. He is sixteen spots higher

1005
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: in then ECR according to our page. There's some you know,

1006
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: well known guys in the industry who agree with you, though,

1007
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: like Jacob Gibbs the second highest. Matt Harmon is up there.

1008
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: He obviously knows receivers really well. Dalton del Don is

1009
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: up there. So you are on an island in terms

1010
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: of being the highest, but you're not on an island

1011
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: in terms of anybody not being.

1012
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: You don't say it at all.

1013
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,919
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1014
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1018
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1022
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: was talking to my sister on the phone yesterday because

1023
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: she called me for my birthday, which is really nice.

1024
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: She has three kids under the age of six, and

1025
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 1: she does play fantasy and she was talking about how

1026
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: her husband, who's in our fantasy league, like our big

1027
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: family league, has done all these mock drafts already, but

1028
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: she hasn't had time and I was like, what are

1029
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: you talking about use the mock draft simulator and she

1030
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: was like, well, I don't have like an hour. I

1031
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: was like, are you kidding me? Your brother works for

1032
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: the site. You think it's going to take you an hour?

1033
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: These are so quick And she literally said to me,

1034
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: you should say it on this show so people know

1035
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: it's really quick and easy. And I was like, this

1036
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: is all we talk about. What do you.

1037
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: Anybody with kids knows that you have the few minutes

1038
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: of solitude to yourself when you go to the bathroom,

1039
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: if you're sitting on the fricking toilet. You run a

1040
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: mockrel fast. It's not hard, It's really.

1041
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: Can I say something real quick about that I forgot

1042
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: my phone downstairs to the toilet this morning. I was

1043
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: so lost. I didn't know what just staring at the wall,

1044
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: like what do I do?

1045
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: It should be just a daily rule. When the coffee

1046
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: kicks in, it's time to mock.

1047
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I yeah, so I was. I won't throw under

1048
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: the bus by daving her my name, but I will

1049
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: throw my sister under the bus by saying mock Drafts

1050
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: are quick and easy. Use the simulator. All right, we

1051
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: have one breakout candidate left from each of you guys. Jake,

1052
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: who is your number one?

1053
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: This feels like the most lay up of mine. I'm

1054
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: gonna go with Roman Duns, and I think that's obvious

1055
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: to a lot of people. But I will say there

1056
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: are a lot of people that I do an article

1057
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: every single years. Last year's trash. It's the people that

1058
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: like really disappointed that nobody ever wants to go back to.

1059
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: That's another mistake people making drafts is writing people off like, oh,

1060
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna draft them again because blank happened to me,

1061
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: or they didn't do this last year or whatever it

1062
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: might be, and I get it after the fourth year, Yeah,

1063
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: it might be hard to convince you to take Kyle

1064
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: Pitts one more time and the double digit rounds. But

1065
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: at least he's almost free this year. But Roman Donze,

1066
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: it was part being his own fault last year, Yes,

1067
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams struggle. Yes, that offense was all over the

1068
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: map with the firing and Waldron and then there was

1069
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: a little bit of a brief spell where we're like, okay, cool,

1070
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: Thomas Brown's fixed things, Kayleb Williams is running a little

1071
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: bit more making his first reads, and then it reverted

1072
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: back as Brown had to step up and things change.

1073
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: But all that being said, Rome was part of the

1074
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: problem too. There was some consistency issues with him, some

1075
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: concentration drops. But we're still talking about somebody. If we

1076
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: go back to last year's draft and we brought up

1077
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: this question, fits did it a few weeks ago. It's like, hey,

1078
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: if Pa Checko never got back on the field last year,

1079
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't we be drafting him higher for the injury optimism?

1080
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: So I went to this and I said, let's say

1081
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: Roman Donsay was like JJ McCarthy got hurt and never

1082
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: played his rookie season, he'd be getting drafted higher because

1083
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: it'd be like, oh my god, we know who Roman

1084
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 3: Dunze is the talent and we never saw the disappointment.

1085
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: But if everything's going to be better for Kaylen Williams

1086
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 3: with Ben Johnson, everything's gonna be better for this all offense.

1087
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: And we're excited about the third and fourth options, about

1088
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: Luther Burden and Colston Lovelin, who's will has to get

1089
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: past Cole Kamett. But a point being, if we're excited

1090
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: about all those, how are you not excited for the

1091
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: number two, who, by the way, has a world where

1092
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: he might be the most valuable Bears wide receiver. Because

1093
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: the interesting thing so far is they're playing a hell

1094
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: a lot of Dj Moore outside. And I like all

1095
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: three wide receivers because I think all three can play

1096
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: the slot and outside to varying levels of success. But

1097
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: the one that's done the most AmAm Ron Saint Brownness

1098
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: so far through the preseason, and what we've seen from

1099
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: team reports has been a doonsay. So I think there

1100
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: is a world where we get to the end of

1101
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: the season and all of a sudden, similar to the

1102
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: conversation that Devanta Adams could outscore Nikola. I'm not gonna

1103
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: bet that a Dounzay outscores DJ Moore, but I certainly

1104
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: think it's a possibility.

1105
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

1106
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I have a rule de bro where I'm like, if

1107
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: I really believe in the talent and the situation and

1108
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: the player in general, which I do with Roma Dunza,

1109
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: I am always willing to look past year one. I

1110
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: am less willing to look past it if it's like

1111
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: another disappointment in a year two, like you know, fooling one,

1112
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, like yeah, but you're one, especially

1113
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: if I if, especially if it's so easy to explain, right,

1114
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: like there's a very logical Okham's Razor explanation of yeah,

1115
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: the situation was terrible and like you said, Jake, it

1116
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: was somebody that was on a don'sday two but really

1117
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: tough situation. I'm willing to look past that in year

1118
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: one and basically draft him as if that didn't happen. Now,

1119
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to draft him as if he had

1120
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: a breakout season already and you know, let's go be

1121
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: super aggressive and I love him or whatever. But I

1122
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: am willing to give a second chance on somebody like that,

1123
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: somebody like Kyle Pitts or Trevor Lawrence. It's harder because

1124
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: it's been multiple times. So Roma Dune day that that

1125
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: first year, I'm always very willing to do that. So

1126
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: dro are you also going back to the well on

1127
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: romadoun Day this year? Yeah?

1128
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: I mean he's in that bucket of guys wide receiver

1129
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: three four range where it's taking shots. You're splitting hairs

1130
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: on guys, you know, Like I mean, right now in

1131
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: uh Best BALLADP on fantasypros dot Com you have Ricky

1132
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: Piersoll and Romadons. They are right back to back at

1133
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: wide receiver thirty three and wide receiver thirty four, And

1134
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: it's a very similar conversation. It's guys that didn't fire

1135
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: last year and who were you in on and who

1136
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: were you out on? Like I could sit here and

1137
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: we you know, make the easy case this, you know,

1138
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: and we talked about this last year was like, Okay,

1139
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: is Rome heading for a JSN type of rookie season?

1140
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: We can't all be surprised if that happens. Then it

1141
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: goes out and happens, and it's like, Okay, well, are

1142
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: you out.

1143
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: Or you back in?

1144
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: And I think there's gonna be a lot of different

1145
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: opinions on Rome and where he's going in drafts.

1146
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: I have no issue with right now.

1147
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: I love that because that was one of the things

1148
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: we said about Rome last year. I say we, as

1149
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 3: in us even on this show, is that like, hey,

1150
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: he's being placed on a team third behind two talented

1151
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: wide receivers and let's be patient. And we just saw

1152
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: it happen with JSN And what did JSN do last year?

1153
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: By the way, Okay, like let's realize, like there's a

1154
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: world that Rome can do it even without a fall

1155
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 3: off from DJ Moore.

1156
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, going in the mid thirties is just I think

1157
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: it's great because the downside is like, again, you don't

1158
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: have to draft him as if he already broke out.

1159
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: This is like a very reasonable call.

1160
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 3: Williams is going to be the first quarterback in Bear's

1161
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: history to throw for four thousand yards and thirty plus touchdowns.

1162
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: It's gonna go somewhere. DJ moorees, I can have two

1163
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: thousand yards and twenty five touchdowns.

1164
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: Yep, Room's coming along for the ride if it happens.

1165
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, all right, deb wrap us up with your

1166
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: number one, which will surprise nobody.

1167
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I shouldn't surprise anybody, man. And again I keep

1168
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: talking about low hanging fruit, but this just feels like

1169
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: an easy call. And I know he's gotten a lot

1170
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: of steam because I think people have come around collectively,

1171
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: like the whole fantasy industry, like this is a guy

1172
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: I've been talking about since preseason. But man, I want

1173
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: to stay aggressive. I want to stay above at ECR

1174
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: and like I've got him as a wide receiver two,

1175
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: he's still being drafted in so many different formats as

1176
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: a wide receiver three. And it's Tedo McMillan. I think,

1177
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: and I'm not projecting this, but I think we could

1178
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: be living in a world and Worm, I've brought this up,

1179
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: and I gotta give your flowers. You said this, not

1180
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: stealing this from you. We easily could be living in

1181
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: a world at the end of this season where Tedroo

1182
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: McMillan puts up leak neighbors type of rookie season numbers.

1183
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: And I don't think that it's crazy. I know people

1184
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: are going to eye roll, and I know they're going

1185
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: to say it's insane, but it's not. Man, like if

1186
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: we just talked about earlier in this show about having

1187
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: faith and believing what Bryce Youung did last year down

1188
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: the stretch is real. Canals has come out and talked

1189
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: about it, and every Dave Knalis quote has come out

1190
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: and talked about we are going to push heterom Millen,

1191
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: we are going to feed him, we want to run

1192
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: this offense through this guy. And everybody's like, oh, well,

1193
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 2: what about all the other Really you're worried about Adam

1194
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: Thielen at this point in his career versus a first

1195
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: round drafted wide receiver, And I know people shaded him

1196
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: throughout the entirety of the process. He doesn't watch film,

1197
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 2: he's not fast enough go top ten, except he does.

1198
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: And now he's crushing in the preseason, Like people can

1199
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: go check the timeline, like there's joint practices where it's

1200
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 2: not he's dusting the CB five on a freaking roster.

1201
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: He's getting open versus Derek freaking Stingley, one of the

1202
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: best cornerbacks in the NFL. So it's coach speak, it's talent,

1203
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: it's draft capital, it's belief in Bryce Sjung having a

1204
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: better year this year year, and quietly the metrics all

1205
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: line up for teda romy Millen, Like, this is a

1206
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: guy that I think when we talk about his game,

1207
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: it's the ability to step in and play the Alpha

1208
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: X role from day one, and I think he can

1209
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: do that for a player that over the last two

1210
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: collegiate seasons he played, had the third and the tenth

1211
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: most man coverage targets and he smashed versus man coverage.

1212
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: He was eighth and tenth and yards per route run.

1213
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: And you marry this with an offense that and again

1214
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: this has not been brought up enough throughout the offseason.

1215
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: Carolina was quietly fourth in red zone passing rate last year.

1216
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: So not only does heat have the leeway or the

1217
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: pathway to get a ton of targets in this offense.

1218
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: If Bryce Young can be that guy this season, the

1219
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: touchdown upside with him is ginormous. Man Like, he could

1220
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: spike ten to twelve touchdowns this year. If Carolina is

1221
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: going to run it back in an improved offense with

1222
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: improved quarterback play and they're going to be top five

1223
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: to ten rids on passing, right, sign.

1224
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: Me up, man.

1225
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: It's one of the easiest clicks in all of fantasy

1226
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: right now.

1227
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I feel like people who have been

1228
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: listening to the show all summer are probably tired of

1229
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: hearing me make that Milik Neighbors comparison, because I've brought

1230
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: it up a couple of times. But for those who

1231
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: are just gonna be to no, I'm wrong. Milik Neighbors,

1232
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: I think is a better player than Teroa McMillan. But

1233
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: the situation, like both top ten picks who are stepping

1234
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: into like they are clearly going to get as many

1235
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: targets as they can handle. The Panthers, like with what

1236
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: we saw in the back half of Bryce Young last year,

1237
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: have a better quarterback situation I think than you know

1238
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: Milik Neighbors had his rookie season. And what I keep

1239
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: saying is, like Milik Neighbors, this is the cheapest in

1240
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: my opinion, that Tedo McMillan will be in drafts for

1241
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: the next eight to ten years of his career. He

1242
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: is going to be going higher than this, I think

1243
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: this time next year. So I want to get the

1244
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: guy while he is cheap. We know that first round

1245
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: receivers are a good investment in general. The fit is

1246
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 1: it's a hand in glove fit. In this offense, both

1247
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: in terms of what Dave Canalis is looking for, both

1248
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: in terms of what Bryce Young needs, both in terms

1249
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: of what this receiving room needs. It just seems so perfect.

1250
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: And I don't care, frankly, that he is now going

1251
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: inside the fifth round. I'm looking at the real time

1252
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: ADP right now. It's the four run up in the

1253
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: last week. It's about the five oh five is where

1254
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: he's going. I don't care. I just think he's really good.

1255
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: It's a great fit, and I think you're gonna be

1256
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: really happy with that pick. Jake, what do you think

1257
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: about Tedrow McMillan.

1258
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: So I'm really glad that Derek brought up something that

1259
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 3: I kind of said, because this is going to paint

1260
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: a picture of where it's weird for me is during

1261
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: the pre draft process, I sat there like this is

1262
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: the dumbest thing ever. We sat here all year long,

1263
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: all college football season long, saying Tedoro McGowan's the best

1264
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: wide receiving. There's draft class all year, all year, all year,

1265
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: all year. We get to a month before the draft

1266
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: and it's like, well it might be somebody else, Well

1267
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: it might like there's you know, let's let's kind of

1268
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 3: pick him apart, and I brought it up and I said,

1269
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 3: it's kind of like the Ohio state wide receivers every

1270
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 3: single year. Garrett Wilson fell into this, Jackson Smith and

1271
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: Jig but felt this is because we knew them. It's

1272
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: like people just want to find somebody else to talk

1273
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: about instead. And I was on that page and then

1274
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: it's funny. It's like it's been so frustrating to watch

1275
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: them just buried in drafts, but now it's comes full

1276
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: circle and it's coming back around because a lot of

1277
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: people are waking up to what Deebro's saying, what you've said,

1278
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: what I've said, or whatever. But I feel like it's

1279
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 3: going to depend on your draft because I feel top

1280
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: twenty is a little aggressive for me. And I say

1281
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 3: this to say, this is why. It's not that I

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00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 3: don't like McMillan. It's not that I'm worried about Adam

1283
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: Thielen or Jatavian Sanders or Leaguet or whatever it might be.

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00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: It's just I have them for one hundred and thirty

1285
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: five targets that would rank thirteenth in the NFL last year.

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00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: That's a lot of targets to have one hundred and thirty,

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00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: you were going to rank inside the top fifteen Almost

1288
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: every single year. The question comes down to what to

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00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: those one hundred and thirty five turn into and where

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00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: it could be Brian Thomas eighty semi catches, twelve hundred

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 3: yards and ten touchdowns. My concern is it's more Jacobe Myers,

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00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: where it's eighty something one thousand and four or five touchdowns. Now,

1293
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 3: if Debro's right and they continue to pass like they have,

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: and I brought up Bryce Young as my first breakout

1295
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 3: pick and Bryce Young throws for thirty touchdowns, I'm gonna

1296
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: be wrong because I have McMillan as my high twenties

1297
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: like he's not far out, He's still a wide receiver

1298
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: two for me, and I have him in front of

1299
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison. But I also think that Marvin Harrison's rookie

1300
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: season is the tell tell concern that you can be

1301
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: one of the best talents, the situation might hurt you

1302
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: a little bit. Now, I do think that the Panthers

1303
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: aren't gonna be stupid like the Cardinals are and be like, hey, Marv,

1304
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: go throw run the four verts. You know what, you

1305
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: could run four verts again, run a go route, run four,

1306
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: like pick a dump. Oh, I'm gonna go off on

1307
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison, like the usage of the Cardinals to can

1308
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 3: you tell they're not wrong? The Cardinals are being stupid,

1309
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: the Panthers will not be. But I'm still concerned basically

1310
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: on the touchdown and yard's equity because Bryce Young was

1311
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: down by the bottom end of the league, and yards

1312
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: per completion, which I found a little bit more stickier

1313
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: than ariars per attempt, just because it kind of tells you,

1314
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: like what happens, Like you can attempt forty yard passes

1315
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: all day long, but if you're not completing any of them,

1316
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: what does that really matter? So the fact that he's

1317
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: so low on that I want to see it come up,

1318
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: and I do believe it can. I just want him

1319
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: more around wide receiver twenty twenty two, which is still

1320
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: pretty aggressive. I'm just not going to get into the

1321
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: bucket of this again. Happens to say, like, if we're

1322
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: all sitting here, say go get mcmill in. He has

1323
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: Malik neighbors. Brian Thomas upside. I don't disagree with you,

1324
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: but don't make the mistake of drafting him in the

1325
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: third round of your draft. And then now he has

1326
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: to do that for you to have any return on value.

1327
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: I genuinely think he's going to be a top fifteen

1328
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: receiver this year. But you don't have to draft in there,

1329
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: which is your point, Like, right, that's the nice part.

1330
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: Him in the fourth round. It's fun and you're going

1331
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: to be ahead of most people.

1332
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: If I to pick one receiver who's not currently in

1333
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: the top twelve who will be consensus top twelve a

1334
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: year from now, he's my pick, like number one with

1335
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: a bullet and I just want to plant my flag

1336
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: in him. I want to be aggressive on him. I

1337
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I have him on my

1338
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: rosters and that if I'm wrong, that that's fine, Like

1339
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: people are wrong all the time, but like I just

1340
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: feel I have a lot of conviction in McMillan situation,

1341
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: I think, I mean the Panthers, we can talk about

1342
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: this for Bryce Young. Also, the defense is gonna be bad,

1343
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: like they're gonna throw a ton. And if Bryce Young

1344
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: is good at all, if he is even and we

1345
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: always say this, if he is just what he was

1346
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: in the second half of last year, not even taking

1347
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: a step forward. If he is just what he was

1348
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: in the second half that is more than good enough

1349
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: to support a talent like Tedoro McMillan.

1350
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: To Jake's point, if we were to take Marvin Harrison

1351
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: junior and air dropped him into the Carolina Panthers offense

1352
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: and we didn't see the rookie season and stuff like that,

1353
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: where the hell will we be taking Marvin Harrison junior

1354
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: in this same situation. Yeah, you know, so, I just

1355
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: think it's it comes down to prospect fatigue, like Jake

1356
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: talked about, and it comes down to people. Everybody like

1357
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: shaded this wide receiver class and they shaded Tedo McMillan

1358
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: and they said all these different things, and it's like

1359
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: like you got to separate what's real and from the

1360
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: bls annoying.

1361
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: To Jake's point, I kind of want to do a

1362
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: dynasty league where we have our rookie draft just like

1363
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: the first week of January. I know you wouldn't know

1364
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: landing spots, but like, I don't want to get thrown

1365
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: off by all this other stuff. I just want to say, like,

1366
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, who was really good the last four months

1367
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: I was watching college football? TARTAROA. McMillan. I know he

1368
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: wasn't as good as it was the year before, but

1369
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: like he was still like, I'm tired of what we're

1370
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: thinking it.

1371
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: If I ever stepped out of this industry and I

1372
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: just want to burn my career to the ground. I've

1373
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: done some research on people's draft positions of players at

1374
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 3: the end of the college football season too, when the

1375
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: actual draft happens, when nothing is going on, and the

1376
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: changes and how wrong some of the are. I'm just saying,

1377
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 3: I have some receipts that I'm going to burn everything

1378
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: if Evil Jake pops up after my career is done.

1379
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: We'll wrap up on that threat from Jake.

1380
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: I'm coming for you all.

1381
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: So those are our breakout candidates in the middle of

1382
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: the late rounds. A lot of good names, a lot

1383
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: of agreement, arguably too much agreement on this show, but

1384
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: I thought you guys made really great picks, so hard

1385
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: to hard to you know, push back on any of them.

1386
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: So hopefully go get these guys. There's two draft weekends left.

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: Go draft these players. Enjoy the next couple of weeks.

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01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for tuning in for Jake and Debro. I'm

1389
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley. We'll see again next time. Thanks for listening

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01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,280
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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,760
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