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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or

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Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me for session four forty eight of the

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Speaker 1: share a few conversations that I've had with amazing women.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about identity. You'll hear from Nina Westbrook

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Speaker 1: and Oludhara Adio on what it looks like to ask

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Speaker 1: When the work you do is close to the heart,

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Speaker 1: how do you protect it? Knowing when it's a quiet

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Speaker 1: you professional instincts and let your personal self take the

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Speaker 1: lead isn't always easy. I spoke with therapists and wellness

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Speaker 1: advocate Nina Westbrook about what drew her to the field,

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Speaker 1: and she shared why setting boundaries is essential when your

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Speaker 1: work is deeply human centered. Her reflections are a reminder

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Speaker 1: that it's okay not to be everything to everyone and

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Speaker 1: that caring for others starts with making sure your own

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Speaker 1: cup isn't empty. So tell us what actually inspired you

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Speaker 2: Ooh oh man, Okay, So I feel like a lot

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Speaker 2: of our stories are quite similar. I feel like being.

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Speaker 3: A therapist is more about who I am and the

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Speaker 3: purpose I sort of serve, oftentimes in my own community.

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Speaker 3: I grew up with three brothers and my parents were divorced,

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Speaker 3: though they worked quite well together raising us, but I

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Speaker 3: always felt a sense of responsibility, and I always felt

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Speaker 3: like I was pretty good at managing life with three

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Speaker 3: And I kind of just became that sounding board for

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Speaker 3: wanted to be a writer, and I studied English in

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Speaker 5: I quickly found out that was not my journey.

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Speaker 2: I stuck with it.

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Speaker 3: I finished, but I added clinical psychology to the fold,

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Speaker 3: and I learned that this is what I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: I knew when I was in school and class and

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Speaker 3: I loved going It didn't feel hard, it didn't feel

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Speaker 3: made the full shift and really pursued my licensure. And

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned that so much of it is who

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Speaker 1: as a person. And I am sure that that has

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Speaker 1: led to some having to set some boundaries around like, yes,

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Speaker 2: You know what the boundary had to come from me.

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Speaker 3: I had to set my own boundary for myself not

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Speaker 5: I think that has been the biggest thing for me.

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Speaker 3: I actually love diving really deep into conversation and I

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Speaker 3: I just came from a coffee this morning where we

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Speaker 3: I prefer to just have meaningful and pactful conversations because

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Speaker 2: So I'm all for it. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: So have you found that setting the boundary of like

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Speaker 3: The only people I would give unsolicited advice to were

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Speaker 3: I feel like it was more so let me not

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Speaker 2: There has to be some trial and error. So for me,

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Speaker 3: About when to intervene and when to say something or

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Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, when I listened

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Speaker 1: to Nina's reflections on the lesson She's learned the hard way,

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Speaker 1: one thing becomes clear. Boundaries didn't just help her survive

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, more boundaries.

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Speaker 3: There's a conversation around boundaries that is happening right now

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Speaker 2: To be clear about that.

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Speaker 3: But I think that I became a person who was

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Speaker 3: So a lot of that people pleasing nature that some

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Speaker 3: I've actually been complimented many times about the kindness and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're talking about this very effortlessly and beautifully,

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Speaker 3: Like you doctor Joy, I think what I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: And how do I activate that how do I lean

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Speaker 4: One I would encourage an affirmation of like I'm allowed

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Speaker 4: ask yourself, Okay, what do I want and really answer that,

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Speaker 1: I love Olodara's answer. I think we could all use

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Speaker 3: Ooh, protecting more fiercely.

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Speaker 2: I was in protective modes last year.

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Speaker 3: I feel like and I was recently having a conversation

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm ready to be very open and

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up today's conversation, I hope you're feeling

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Speaker 1: Who you are, who you've been, and who you will

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Speaker 1: grow to be. Identity is not a destination. It's a

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Speaker 1: seasons of our lives. Throughout all of my conversations with

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Speaker 1: and becoming requires patience, gentleness, and a willingness to listen

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Speaker 1: to yourself as you move through your own moments of reflection.

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Speaker 1: I invite you to check in with yourself this week.

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Speaker 1: What parts of you are asking to be revisited, What

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Speaker 1: it look like to support yourself through that in a

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Speaker 1: healthy way. I'm so grateful to these women for their conversations.

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