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Speaker 1: I was born and port Art to Texas. Well. Actually
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Speaker 1: You all know Stephen Jackson as an NBA champion. You
Speaker 1: know him as a podcaster and analyst, uh and arguably
Speaker 1: a face of a civil rights movement that changed our However,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, at his core was a basketball player. He
Speaker 1: had a natural talent at a very young age, of
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood and demanded that he used his talent,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be where he is today. Take a listen
Speaker 1: to Stephen Jackson talking about his childhood. Well, I started
Speaker 1: playing basketball when I was four. Um. I remember having
Speaker 1: a friend named Charlie and he was the kid in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that had all the games. You know, he
Speaker 1: had everything, so all the kids like me and didn't
Speaker 1: have that used to go to this house at the
Speaker 1: school and hanging with him and try to play his
Speaker 1: game and stuff. And his dad he played basketball. They
Speaker 1: had a y C A team at the time, and
Speaker 1: I was good on the west side, but my mom
Speaker 1: did have money. Nobody had money for me to join
Speaker 1: the league. So his parents brought me on their team
Speaker 1: and allowed me to play with them and Perry, the
Speaker 1: guy named Perry Gobert. Um. I think my first game
Speaker 1: carry uh. We went to Baumin to player team and
Speaker 1: to score. The final score the game was forty two
Speaker 1: to forty four. I had forty two points and my
Speaker 1: other team they had too. Uh. At that age, people
Speaker 1: saw something in me. And I'm five years old, so
Speaker 1: I really don't know what. I'm just playing basketball having
Speaker 1: fun as time passed. Millions of times where almost ruined
Speaker 1: my life, millions of times where I wanted to be at,
Speaker 1: the millions of times where I almost got arrested, million
Speaker 1: of times where I almost got shot. My city protected me,
Speaker 1: and I think as I was growing up and playing basketball,
Speaker 1: I got to pull my senior in high school. Um
Speaker 1: we had just won the championship in ninety five and
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to oak Kill Academy my
Speaker 1: senior year. My uh, this is one of the biggest
Speaker 1: high high school basketball programs in the country. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to. Oh. I wanted to stand in the hood,
Speaker 1: play basketball and winners another state championship with my people.
Speaker 1: I had no idea thinking about the NBN that my
Speaker 1: coach and my mom pulled me to the side and
Speaker 1: basically forced me to go to Okaill Academy. I'm not
Speaker 1: even thinking, you know, when the school could take me.
Speaker 1: At the time, I just wanted to stay with my friends,
Speaker 1: play basketball and be a normal kid, just not knowing
Speaker 1: the sending me to Okhill was the best thing for me,
Speaker 1: where I was able to make the mcdown's game and
Speaker 1: all types of stuff. I was saying that to say
Speaker 1: they saw something in me as a teenager that I
Speaker 1: didn't see. I didn't see the NBA. I didn't even
Speaker 1: see college. I was saying, survival Cary. I was trying
Speaker 1: to survive, to see the next day. I was trying
Speaker 1: to I was trying to hang with my friends, but
Speaker 1: not get shot like my friends. You know. It was
Speaker 1: it was. It was all those type of things that
Speaker 1: I was dealing with, not even thinking about basketball. But
Speaker 1: I was blessed to have those people in my life
Speaker 1: to see further than I could see. Nothing has ever
Speaker 1: come easy for Stephen Jackson, and he'll tell you that himself. However,
Speaker 1: uh leaving Arizona not by choice, but because he wasn't
Speaker 1: doing what he was to supposed to do. He didn't
Speaker 1: graduate and enter the draft in a traditional way like
Speaker 1: the other standouts who had the same exact resume he did.
Speaker 1: For instance, Kobe Bryant was in his quote unquote draft class,
Speaker 1: but Stephen Jackson had to take an unlikely route to
Speaker 1: the NBA. And it was all because he still was
Speaker 1: fighting with the streets. He couldn't let them go. My
Speaker 1: best friend named John Johns arrest in peace. I used
Speaker 1: to I used to drive back and forth from US
Speaker 1: to Houston within him a lot of time to do
Speaker 1: some things for him. So he's getting this house rated
Speaker 1: by the Drug Task Force. A lot of the people
Speaker 1: that worked at the Drug Task Force was at our
Speaker 1: high school game. So they know me and they know
Speaker 1: my family from the city. His house is getting raided.
Speaker 1: He's across the street at the neighbor's house and he
Speaker 1: calls me. It was like, bro, I need you John, anything,
Speaker 1: you do the reason why I got on Jordan's right now?
Speaker 1: Like anything. He's like, they tear my house up in
Speaker 1: my room, but what they're looking for is not in
Speaker 1: my room. It's in the front room. I need you
Speaker 1: to go get it. I'm like, man, please, ain't no way.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm thinking in my mind. But then
Speaker 1: again I'm thinking this is this is who feed me
Speaker 1: right now? You know, I want my brother to look
Speaker 1: nice if I have the draft party. I want to
Speaker 1: look nice. You know, all these things wrong from with
Speaker 1: through my mind. So I go, I get this girl
Speaker 1: to bring me. I go over there. I knock on
Speaker 1: the door. Um, his aunt answers the door and her
Speaker 1: son is down on the side of it. Just so happened. Uh,
Speaker 1: isn't his cousin played basketball as well? So when I
Speaker 1: got in the door and the police ran to the
Speaker 1: front door, what are you doing here? We know you
Speaker 1: know what John is tell us my quick, I thought, quick,
Speaker 1: I'm here to check on his little cousin. He played
Speaker 1: basketball with me. I saw the police. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to figureut what's going on. We know you line, where's
Speaker 1: John Johnson? Bad? They went back to the room. As
Speaker 1: soon as I walk in, I look at this. Up
Speaker 1: there is e. She looked at me. We're bothing. Know
Speaker 1: what I'm there for? Grabbed it, put it in my drawers.
Speaker 1: Run out the door. As I'm walking out to do carry,
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing the car door. All I hear is Jackson.
Speaker 1: Immediately my body going the full sweat, soaking with I'm
Speaker 1: so nervous. What I have on me carry could have
Speaker 1: put me in jail for thirty years. He tapped me
Speaker 1: on my shoulders, like Jackson, we know you know what
Speaker 1: John Johnson. As I turned around, I'm sweating. He just
Speaker 1: hands me his card. I take the card, hopping the car,
Speaker 1: go get John and go to Houston. He gives me
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for that. Now carry. I It was
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing that I could have ever done in
Speaker 1: my life, getting ready to go to the NBA. But
Speaker 1: I wasn't in that mind frame, you know, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that moment. I wasn't you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if I was gonna make it to the draft,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but that was that was probably
Speaker 1: the craziest thing in the dumbest thing I did at
Speaker 1: that moment, and the reason why Stephen Jackson says that
Speaker 1: was the dumbest thing he could have ever done, especially
Speaker 1: in that moment He's on his way to the league,
Speaker 1: his life is getting ready to change. Your friend asked
Speaker 1: for a favor, and that favor leads him to a
Speaker 1: very compromising position. If the cops decided to search him
Speaker 1: in that moment, what do you think would have happened?
Speaker 1: And if he would have searched me, would have been
Speaker 1: over with. You would have never heard about Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 1: And he's right, we would have never heard about Steven Jackson.
Speaker 1: But we have and he's here today and as he's
Speaker 1: made his way in the league and become a success,
Speaker 1: he also talks about those who didn't make it with him.
Speaker 1: A lot of who he is, a lot of his
Speaker 1: naked characteristics have to do with death. He talks about
Speaker 1: losing his older brother and how that eventually shaped him
Speaker 1: until the person he is today. My older brother was
Speaker 1: killed over a girl that he was dating. Three guys
Speaker 1: jumped in bust his head with pipes where he had
Speaker 1: eighteen staples in his head. He was, he was a bestman.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have lived anyway. You know, um, I think
Speaker 1: a dad a dad too. After it happened, he died,
Speaker 1: you know, I got a chance to say something to him,
Speaker 1: and he at a tear. He died couple hours after.
Speaker 1: A big reason for me making it was because of him.
Speaker 1: A lot of us, a lot of the good and
Speaker 1: bad stuff I learned from the older brother, talking to girls,
Speaker 1: smoking weed, sneaking alcohol in the movies, to see menister
Speaker 1: society and juice. I was with him. I learned everything
Speaker 1: from him. And I knew the life he was living
Speaker 1: was because he wanted to see a better life, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I knew a lot of things my brother
Speaker 1: was doing in the streets. A lot of people respecting
Speaker 1: me because of the stuff he was doing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, whether it was good or bad. They
Speaker 1: left me alone because of him, And so I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew his heart carry I knew its hard whether
Speaker 1: it was you know, he did some things that he
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done. I knew his hard and I felt like,
Speaker 1: if I had a chance to make a wife he
Speaker 1: was alive, I kind of I could have changed some
Speaker 1: things around. It hurt. My grandfather wasn't there to hurt.
Speaker 1: The people I felt like gave me the most game,
Speaker 1: the most wisdom, that me the most. Who I felt
Speaker 1: like I owed something too, wasn't there. It hurt, But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I was happy because you know,
Speaker 1: it's still my mom, my brother, my stisters, still people.
Speaker 1: You know, I had two kids at the time when
Speaker 1: I first got in the NV, so I still have responsibilities.
Speaker 1: I still have people cared about. But I knew having
Speaker 1: m had my brother with me, it would just have
Speaker 1: been different. I would have been I would have been protected.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to be to protect all the time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and that's just the
Speaker 1: security he gave me. So after a few years of
Speaker 1: being cut and trying out for different teams in the
Speaker 1: league and also playing overseas, Stephen Jackson finds himself and
Speaker 1: the starting lineup in two thousand for the New Jersey Nets.
Speaker 1: It's a bitter sweet situation care because I get there.
Speaker 1: I'm starting the whole first half of the season, I'm
Speaker 1: leading all rookies and scoring, make the Rookie All Star Game.
Speaker 1: Come back after the rookie I don't play at all.
Speaker 1: I don't start, I don't play. I'm like, what did
Speaker 1: I do? Like? What did I do? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I don't know if they wanted to
Speaker 1: play their veterans at that time. Byron scott wife was
Speaker 1: was really like a second mother to me because I
Speaker 1: was there. I was eighteen, eighteen nights at the time,
Speaker 1: nights at a time, and she knew I was young.
Speaker 1: I was living by myself, so and they and Byron
Speaker 1: Hunt and Byron Scott had a son at that time
Speaker 1: that me and he were kind of close. We were
Speaker 1: the same age, and she really cared to me, like
Speaker 1: she really care. She took care of me like she
Speaker 1: treated me like her own son. I don't think Byron
Speaker 1: Scott liked that. I don't think he agreed with that,
Speaker 1: and they're divorced now, but I don't think he agreed
Speaker 1: with that at the time, And I think that's why
Speaker 1: he stopped playing me, because it wasn't nobody better than me.
Speaker 1: At the time. I was young, I was doing my job.
Speaker 1: I was playing well. But for me to come back
Speaker 1: fresh from Rookie All Star and not play at all,
Speaker 1: I knew it was something personal, to the point where
Speaker 1: I stopped playing. And We're playing in San Antonio Spurs halftime.
Speaker 1: I'm just standing over there in my suit and I
Speaker 1: was in my uniform, and uh, Mike, Mike Brown came up,
Speaker 1: was like, why you're not playing like man? Your guests
Speaker 1: as better than mine. Man, I just don't want to
Speaker 1: say the wrong thing until you coach bron You know
Speaker 1: I will. He was like, yeah, I know, but keep
Speaker 1: your head. We come and get you in so many words.
Speaker 1: And so after that season, I end up playing Summer
Speaker 1: League with San Antonio. Uh end up becoming second and
Speaker 1: scoring behind Dirt the Whiskey in the Utah Summer League,
Speaker 1: to the point where I bought out so much. Right
Speaker 1: after the game, Pop pulled me to the side. Stephen Jackson,
Speaker 1: you can be on this team, you can play, you
Speaker 1: belong in this league. You can't smoke weed. You can't
Speaker 1: smoke weed on my team. Jack I'm telling my Pop
Speaker 1: was clears day with it. Before you even offered me
Speaker 1: a contract or anything. I'm looking at you. I know
Speaker 1: he smoked I hear you smoke, you don't hide it.
Speaker 1: As soon as I left Pop, I went smoke. Before
Speaker 1: and after I signed the contract. I smoke care but
Speaker 1: I had to say what I had to say to
Speaker 1: get the cheddar. You know what I'm saying here? And uh,
Speaker 1: but I think Pop, because getting to San Antonio carry
Speaker 1: I think that's when I became a professional. That's when
Speaker 1: I learned this game is more than just playing the game.
Speaker 1: I learned how to prepare. I learned how to be
Speaker 1: a man. I learned how to be a professional. I
Speaker 1: learned how to be a teammate. I learned I learned
Speaker 1: how to be a better brother to my teammates. In
Speaker 1: San Antonio. Pap was was like a father figure at
Speaker 1: some point because you know, all the things that I
Speaker 1: was doing, I had friends stand with me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The girl I was with at the
Speaker 1: time wasn't the best for me. And to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Pop seeing that as soon as I met it,
Speaker 1: he told me she wasn't a want for me. Yes,
Speaker 1: Pop told me, and um Tim took me in like
Speaker 1: a big brother, him and him and Steve Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: They took me in like a big brother on the
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Speaker 1: I think that all made me. That was my UH
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Speaker 1: I won that championship and Tim dunkers get called me
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Speaker 1: in the Finals the previous yet, so I really didn't
Speaker 1: know what that meant. But any time I've been on
Speaker 1: that team long enough, any time you give Ron I'll
Speaker 1: put a battery in this bag, or give any type
Speaker 1: of confidence to do something dumb, he gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Here's Oats explaining why he has bee forbid Wallace, Me
Speaker 1: and Ben Wallace beef as basketball. He's getting defensive player
Speaker 1: in the years and I want that simple right. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it. I led the league in
Speaker 1: Texas flavorings. Media is not voting from you know how
Speaker 1: that going and you you out in It was for you, buddy,
Speaker 1: So it was close because then I came back and
Speaker 1: got it the next show. I was gonna get it again.
Speaker 1: He got it when I got spend it. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't get that, right, He's a great m That was
Speaker 1: an opportunity right there. So I think that's where you know,
Speaker 1: We're on the court, Me and Bend and guard each
Speaker 1: other and were busting their ass. But sometimes me and
Speaker 1: Ben would get into the mix. So as I running
Speaker 1: down court, I'm like, it gotta be being who are
Speaker 1: thinking about filing? I didn see him talk tracks nobody
Speaker 1: else doing the game care so I run a guard
Speaker 1: bill just so he came file him. They throw the
Speaker 1: ball to beIN the clocks. Want to not carry from
Speaker 1: to go home with a win. And then at the
Speaker 1: end of the games you don't want to file nobody
Speaker 1: and send him to the free throw line. So I'm
Speaker 1: guarding Band, just little token defense, and I let him score.
Speaker 1: But as he's going up to score, wrong come from
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Now now, immediately when the fire happened,
Speaker 1: you had to be there to see this. Being got
Speaker 1: maybe two hundred pounds heavier at that moment. He just
Speaker 1: blew up right and I'm seeing this and he comes
Speaker 1: towards Ron and put his whole hounds in both his
Speaker 1: eyes and push his head so hard carry I'm looking
Speaker 1: to see if it came off. I'm trying of looking
Speaker 1: the stands to see if his head came off. He
Speaker 1: pushed Ron so where Ron had to gather him stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, Ron is a big old boy too. So
Speaker 1: after Ron gather himself, they about to lost up. We
Speaker 1: end up breaking it up kind of you get gets
Speaker 1: to a pushing match, and just so happened. I was
Speaker 1: I was already cool with Rep. Hamilton and I was
Speaker 1: cool with she. I was like my brother, so we
Speaker 1: wasn't really trying to fight each other. But it had
Speaker 1: got to the point where as I'm trying to break
Speaker 1: it up, I see my close friend Rep. Hamilton's still
Speaker 1: talking ship. So I you turned out the huddle and
Speaker 1: square up, put my church out of square with him
Speaker 1: and Lindsey Hunter because I'm I didn't went to that mode. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: they talked. Okay, I'm in fighting mode. Now coaches grabbed
Speaker 1: me me breaking up. I calmed down. Ron is laying
Speaker 1: on the scores table. So what people don't know is
Speaker 1: Ron was seeing a counselor or some type of lady
Speaker 1: he was talking to. I don't know what they call it.
Speaker 1: But they had me, Oh trust me carry. They had
Speaker 1: me do a couple of sessions with the two. They
Speaker 1: thought I was crazy too, but she was a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: She was a sweetheart. She knew he wasn't crazy. She
Speaker 1: was just getting that check and doing her job. I
Speaker 1: felt on that, and uh so they told Ron, when
Speaker 1: you get to the point where you can't control yourself,
Speaker 1: go lay down, find a pieceful place. They told him
Speaker 1: five is a happy place, right, So he did. He
Speaker 1: did when they was destructed to do they know the
Speaker 1: stories have and he took the analysis headphones and put
Speaker 1: him on his head so he can lock everything. Guy, okay,
Speaker 1: good job. Run to the point where the regime's proud.
Speaker 1: Regie Miller was proud of it. Resill whenever they put
Speaker 1: his hand on his chest, like that's what I'm talking about, roun,
Speaker 1: I'm trying of what I just wanted to be doing.
Speaker 1: While he trying to calm down whoever this guy is,
Speaker 1: he has to be a novice. And cup thrown. He
Speaker 1: threw the cup Carrie where it stayed upright all the
Speaker 1: way to it, got the roar and hit run upright,
Speaker 1: didn't flip though on it. They had a bet that
Speaker 1: the beer colamb Okay, in any state, you throw water
Speaker 1: anything in somebody's face outside, it's a salt. Today it's
Speaker 1: a salt. Ron looked in the stands and saw two
Speaker 1: guys clapping and like, yeah, we made in the landed
Speaker 1: I want the bet, not knowing as he'd be lined
Speaker 1: up there. He grabbed the wrong guy so he's don't
Speaker 1: keep come beating up this dude, and the guy who
Speaker 1: actually threw the beer grabbed him from behind, so By
Speaker 1: that time, I make it up the steps a row
Speaker 1: above roar, and as I land, I put my hands
Speaker 1: on rung. Another guy throws another beer and rung face
Speaker 1: you fair game? Hi, come here? Lay him down. As
Speaker 1: I knocked him down, I'm on my way. I'm on
Speaker 1: my way to go Sammy Davidson and go stump him out.
Speaker 1: I got pulled back. I end up landing on the
Speaker 1: dude who actually threw the bill run, so I'm tagging
Speaker 1: him in the head bath bah back. I get pulled
Speaker 1: off by David Harrison six ten, two ninety and he
Speaker 1: has me in the choke hole, not knowing he's choking me.
Speaker 1: Carry so I'm looking at Rashid tell her Rashi trying
Speaker 1: to tell him, I'm he's choking me. I'm passing out
Speaker 1: because during the whole time you're dreaming the pumper, you
Speaker 1: really don't breathe like these posts. I'm not a boxing
Speaker 1: so I don't want to. So my Dreallaline was pumping,
Speaker 1: so I really wasn't breathing. So I'm understands in the
Speaker 1: sheet and I'm blacking out. Carrey, I'm about to pass out.
Speaker 1: He's some kind of way. I grabbed his on he
Speaker 1: let me go and out stand up and as I
Speaker 1: stand up and you look at it, Ra, she grabbed
Speaker 1: me and we all start walking back down to the court.
Speaker 1: As I'm walking to the court, I see chuck persons
Speaker 1: and grabbing Ron and I'm following Ron to the back
Speaker 1: to the locker room. Carry every refreshment that that they
Speaker 1: sold at that arena. I had a taste of it
Speaker 1: on my uniform. Popcorn, links, hot dogs, pickles. I just
Speaker 1: had advertising everything on my jersey walking to by it there.
Speaker 1: And as I got in the locker room to this
Speaker 1: is this is where the story gets crazy. After I
Speaker 1: get in the locker froom, I sit down. Jamal Tchens
Speaker 1: is just over the lack like he thinks this is
Speaker 1: just the funniest thing together. He like he but but
Speaker 1: I gotta give hc benefit of that. He laughed at everything.
Speaker 1: Now I'm good a bad he laughed every I sit
Speaker 1: down and I put my hands on my leg eggs
Speaker 1: kind of like, and I pull up my hands a
Speaker 1: full of blood both my hand from me jumping over
Speaker 1: the bleaches and all. I didn't pay no attention to
Speaker 1: none of that care. I was in the mold. All
Speaker 1: my legs are scratched up, and I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: legs and like man as I'm trying to figure myself together.
Speaker 1: Ron tapping Stack, you think we're gonna get in trouble? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me think about that, Ron Travel, Well, are you
Speaker 1: lucky we have a job tomorrow? Ronard tests saying do
Speaker 1: you think we're in trouble? Well, that was only a
Speaker 1: small part of what would happen. Stephen Jackson was suspended
Speaker 1: for thirty games and lost close to two million dollars
Speaker 1: in salary because of the malice and the palace. Not
Speaker 1: to mention, the then commissioner, David Sterns started in forcing
Speaker 1: all type of rules to make sure nothing like that
Speaker 1: would ever happen again. There was a dress code. Players
Speaker 1: could only behave or act a certain way because they
Speaker 1: wanted to ensure the fans that they were called unquote safe.
Speaker 1: I have my own opinions on that, but we'll leave
Speaker 1: that there. The point of the matter is is that
Speaker 1: the quality of being loyal. It's something that Stephen Jackson
Speaker 1: holds near and dear, and he says it's often the
Speaker 1: reason why people just don't understand who he is. I've
Speaker 1: been so misunderstood for running in the stands with Ron,
Speaker 1: and for helping Jamal Tensei shoot my gun trying to
Speaker 1: help him at at the Strip Club, and people don't
Speaker 1: know I was probably five minutes when my brother was
Speaker 1: getting beat to death. I was five minutes away from
Speaker 1: not knowing it what's going on. So not being not
Speaker 1: being able to be there for my brother, I think
Speaker 1: that haunted me a lot. Where I'll make it a
Speaker 1: point to beat up for the guys I called my
Speaker 1: brother today. You know, that's why they think twice to
Speaker 1: go on the stands for Ron, That's why they think
Speaker 1: twice to help Jamal Tensely, That's why they think twice
Speaker 1: to go to Minnesota stand up with George Floyd. Because
Speaker 1: I've always been my brother's keeper and and and being
Speaker 1: so close to my brother, not being that that always
Speaker 1: haunted me. So I've always took pride. And if I
Speaker 1: feel like you're my brother, if I'm with you, if
Speaker 1: I tell you I love you, and our norse reciprocated,
Speaker 1: I go through a wall for you. And that's just
Speaker 1: that's just how I bussed this. Then, from day one,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson has been unapologetic about being loyal, and it
Speaker 1: was that same loyalty that led him to become one
Speaker 1: of the faces of a national civil rights movement. One
Speaker 1: of his dear friends was murdered by police officers. We
Speaker 1: know him as George Floyd, but Stephen Jackson called him Georgie.
Speaker 1: Georgie me and George was always in the streets care.
Speaker 1: We never did anything care but hang out, get bent
Speaker 1: and go to club. That's all we did. So we
Speaker 1: had a mutual friend named Telly Joyce Rest in peace. Telly.
Speaker 1: So he knew me as a yachster playing basketball and uh,
Speaker 1: I used always playing on the courts while the drugs
Speaker 1: was sold. He come, He came to me, like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I got a homeboy that looks just like y'all might
Speaker 1: have the same daddy here a little older than you.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, y'all look alike. Bro. I'm like, man, please, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a team. At the times, I don't think theyre
Speaker 1: making fun of me. He brings Florida back the next week.
Speaker 1: As soon as I see Floyd we see each other,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, dad, yo, daddy, that's how much we
Speaker 1: look alike. And uh, we just became cool and our
Speaker 1: respect what what we call each other twin. This is
Speaker 1: a coordinated activity happening across this nation, and so we
Speaker 1: are in a state of emergency. Black people are dying
Speaker 1: in a state of emergency that we cannot look at
Speaker 1: this as an isolated incident. The reason why buildings are
Speaker 1: burning are not just for our brother. George Floyd got
Speaker 1: killed for doing for what I'm doing here. Mike macael
Speaker 1: X got killed for doing what I'm doing. So I
Speaker 1: get a week, ten or fifteen death threats. But people
Speaker 1: just don't want equality. They don't hate me, they just
Speaker 1: don't want us to being equal. And it's been tough
Speaker 1: because a lot of times I didn't know what I
Speaker 1: was doing. Carried my first four weeks and been in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: I didn't I'll guarantee you I probably slept ten hours
Speaker 1: in four weeks because I was I wanted to continue
Speaker 1: to make my people proud, um I want. I wanted
Speaker 1: to do right for Georgie, you know, and people and
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know when when when Georgie
Speaker 1: got killed, I was still in pain from Kobe. I
Speaker 1: was I like, when that happened, I left my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: just walked like I was still hurting from Kobe and
Speaker 1: that was a close brother of mine. So when that happened,
Speaker 1: like everything just came out at one time. It's just
Speaker 1: like I've been holding it in. Okay, now enough is enough.
Speaker 1: I can't take the more. I've never felt so helpless
Speaker 1: in my life. What can I do two help my
Speaker 1: brother and Carrie. I have to say this. I had
Speaker 1: no idea what I was going down there, and do
Speaker 1: I knew nine out of ten times when this happens
Speaker 1: to a black male. First thing they tried to do
Speaker 1: is assist, assassinated their character, bring up old stuff, and
Speaker 1: none of them ever had an NBA player. Were one
Speaker 1: of the hottest podcasts in the world to speak on
Speaker 1: their behalf. I had to be that. I had to
Speaker 1: be his voice. And everything I said the press conference,
Speaker 1: I think, uh here, having to make a matter we
Speaker 1: speak before me, that all helped me. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love us so much. Oh my god, I'll shout
Speaker 1: out to me him and I love us so much.
Speaker 1: And I think hearing her speak before me it helped
Speaker 1: me relax because I didn't, you know, everything I said
Speaker 1: it came up the top of my head and from
Speaker 1: my heart, and it helped me relax and make me
Speaker 1: get ahold of what I the message that I wanted
Speaker 1: to come across, because before I spoke Carry, a lot
Speaker 1: of people was thinking I was coming with fun white people.
Speaker 1: I hate all y'all that motherfucker. That's what they was expecting.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That's what they was expecting.
Speaker 1: But as you know, Carrie, I hit him with that
Speaker 1: articulate ship and at the same time getting my point across,
Speaker 1: and it made it real simple. I love everybody, but
Speaker 1: the time of playing both sides, it's over either you
Speaker 1: with us are you against us? And I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I was able to speak in a intelligent manner, uh
Speaker 1: a heartfelt manner and carry. I had no idea I'll
Speaker 1: be the face of the biggest civil rights movement ever.
Speaker 1: Eighteen countries, fifty states. I can never thought this would
Speaker 1: be who I am. I've always been the guy and
Speaker 1: go out throw stuff at me. I embrace it whether
Speaker 1: it's good or bad, because I know either it's a
Speaker 1: test or it's a blessing. So I'm gonna I embrace
Speaker 1: it all the time. And I embraced I had. I
Speaker 1: had embraced this too. Carry with going down there, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know all this was gonna come from him.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did go down on that because not
Speaker 1: only did I do something, I did something for the world.
Speaker 1: But my life has changed care My life has changed
Speaker 1: from this for the better because it's forcing me to
Speaker 1: not be a hypocrite. I can't say that my brother's
Speaker 1: keeping and I'm promoting music with somebody killing somebody. Are
Speaker 1: they talking about shooting each other up? I take pride
Speaker 1: in taking these steps and not being a hypocrite. And
Speaker 1: I love the person I am now, and and and
Speaker 1: I hate I had to lose my brother for all
Speaker 1: these things that happened in my life. But I know
Speaker 1: he's smiling down knowing that his death is not going
Speaker 1: in a bandoned. He changed the world. A lot of
Speaker 1: things are changing from from his incident, and I'm just
Speaker 1: thankful that I had a part of this. Past summer
Speaker 1: was one that we will never forget. It changed everyone,
Speaker 1: including Stephen Jackson. The division, the healing, the hurt, the
Speaker 1: pain oftentimes documented in so many different ways. And now
Speaker 1: the trial of the officer who is accused of murdering
Speaker 1: George Floyd is underway. If you look back on everything
Speaker 1: that's happened. The question is simply to Stephen Jackson, would
Speaker 1: you have done anything differently? I think I would have
Speaker 1: went harder. You know, I was out there protests and
Speaker 1: I was doing this and doing that. But I think
Speaker 1: during the time when it first happened, I think we
Speaker 1: could have We could have did more as far as
Speaker 1: far as getting them to understand exactly why we all
Speaker 1: get to stuff up, because because even if you look
Speaker 1: at it after that ra Shard Brooks, mard Aubery, they
Speaker 1: still didn't get it. So obviously we didn't do enough
Speaker 1: because it's still happening. So in my mind, I could
Speaker 1: have done more. I don't know what it is because
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I went
Speaker 1: down there. But if I could have done something different,
Speaker 1: carry I would have done more. Stephen Jackson in the
Speaker 1: basketball player, Stephen Jackson, the the podcaster, slash analysts, Stephen Jackson,
Speaker 1: the businessman, Stephen Jackson, the activists. There um so many
Speaker 1: people see you in a lot of different ways. Stephen
Speaker 1: Jackson a family man. You always talk about your babies. Um,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, the ladies man. You gotta you know, no
Speaker 1: one really knows your personal life. You guys, and then
Speaker 1: I don't tell. I don't tell nobody my business. I
Speaker 1: know people, businesses. But is there a part of you
Speaker 1: that feels like I know for me there is. But
Speaker 1: is there a part of you that feels like you're
Speaker 1: not being honest with everyone about who you are and
Speaker 1: you wish you could remove that mask. I think with me, Garry,
Speaker 1: I want my emotions on us league, and I think
Speaker 1: I get of my honest self to the world more
Speaker 1: than the normal guy. You know. I think as far
Speaker 1: as how I live, who who I am as a person,
Speaker 1: what I have, what I but, but what I've obtained,
Speaker 1: who I love and who I hate, that's clear at day.
Speaker 1: I don't have skeletons in my closet. You can't assassinate
Speaker 1: my character in no type of way. But I think
Speaker 1: I do have things in my past that people would judge.
Speaker 1: You know, people judge people for selling drugs, people judge
Speaker 1: people for carrying guns, people, people judge people for certain stuff.
Speaker 1: I could care less, but people still tend to judge
Speaker 1: people like that. I have kids, who I care what
Speaker 1: they think, I care what they here, and I think
Speaker 1: for the most part, what I'm doing today means more
Speaker 1: than me than anything I did in basketball. I honestly
Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't appreciating in basketball three or four years.
Speaker 1: I should have made the All Star Game, and I
Speaker 1: simply didn't make it because I had my teammates back
Speaker 1: in the broad not because of the way I played
Speaker 1: the game. Because I speak my mind when the coach
Speaker 1: is wrong on the teammate, I'll make a rap song
Speaker 1: when the Clippers have a racist owner. Those are the
Speaker 1: reasons why I don't give my accolades for planning in
Speaker 1: the NBA. So I never really was was felt like
Speaker 1: I was respected and gave a fat chance and NBA
Speaker 1: carry I honestly don't. I think. I think I was
Speaker 1: judged and and and scrutinized. Um even with the broad care,
Speaker 1: we if the brawl happened today, we wouldn't get suspended.
Speaker 1: With everything that's going on today, we wouldn't have got suspended.
Speaker 1: We're at work, a guy throws a beer on the court,
Speaker 1: how are we supposed to respond? At that time, they
Speaker 1: was trying to save the game and stop the game
Speaker 1: for being so hood and so black. So they was
Speaker 1: looking for a reason to change the dress code. It
Speaker 1: was looking for somebody to blame to have a faith for. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is why we're changing all the rules because these
Speaker 1: guys and they were looking for it at the time,
Speaker 1: and I fit. I fit the bill, fine, I'm cool
Speaker 1: with it. What I'm doing now means more than me.
Speaker 1: I want to be known for being the face of
Speaker 1: eighteen countries and the and the fifty States, the biggest
Speaker 1: civil rights movement. I want to be known as the
Speaker 1: face could change. What I'm doing now, going from city
Speaker 1: to city, trying to make it to all fifty states,
Speaker 1: giving back to people who I know need people in
Speaker 1: these areas that the whole world know that if we
Speaker 1: come together, we can kind of end all this poverty.
Speaker 1: We know all this stuff, but we're not doing the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm able to give a help in hand care.
Speaker 1: This mean more to me than than any basketball, any
Speaker 1: ring I could wear. This means more because I'm actually
Speaker 1: changing lives and I'm doing something that's bigger than me.
Speaker 1: I'm not playing the game. I'm actually giving my time,
Speaker 1: my finances, my my my my health, everything. I'm putting
Speaker 1: everything on the line for better men, for other people,
Speaker 1: and uh, no better feeling. I've never had no better
Speaker 1: feeling to be honest. I feel like Stephen Jackson has
Speaker 1: shared all he is needed to share on this platform.
Speaker 1: But I have to ask him in this moment, when
Speaker 1: was the last time, or if ever, you found yourself
Speaker 1: completely vulnerable? When are you naked? My oldest daughter no
Speaker 1: more than anybody, anybody on this earth. My daughter knows more.
Speaker 1: She she's never judged me. She's never judged me. She's
Speaker 1: my best friend. UM. I think she's kind of like
Speaker 1: my shrink because I know she's not gonna judge me,
Speaker 1: and I can't. My Tamiya Jackson and Scottie Jackson, I
Speaker 1: can't do no wrong in their eyes, and I want
Speaker 1: to keep you that with I'm really grateful that Stephen
Speaker 1: Jackson came on the podcast today. I appreciate his honesty, UM,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate him saying he is at his most
Speaker 1: vulnerable naked when he is with his daughters. And for
Speaker 1: many men, it's their daughters who can do that, who
Speaker 1: can bring that out of them. So there's that honesty
Speaker 1: that only your children can elicten. I do believe though
Speaker 1: his best naked emotion is is loyalty, UM. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I say it's a naked emotion is because
Speaker 1: he does it so selflessly. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: were able to understand the dynamics of him losing his
Speaker 1: brother and not being there to help him, and why
Speaker 1: as a result of that, he feels it necessary to
Speaker 1: protect those that are in his life that he cares about,
Speaker 1: that he considers family, that he considers close friends. That
Speaker 1: was the theme throughout this entire podcast when he talked
Speaker 1: about every single important moment in his life. It was
Speaker 1: the loyalty that kept him there, that kept him coming back,
Speaker 1: that allowed him to define who he was, to make
Speaker 1: him feel better about who he is as a human.
Speaker 1: For instance, the malice in the palace, not everybody's running
Speaker 1: into the stand to protect Ron artests or even help
Speaker 1: him correct. In fact, everyone wasn't. It was Stephen Jackson
Speaker 1: and there was a reason for that. And he did
Speaker 1: it without even caring what others would say. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the repercussions being fined, what the league is going
Speaker 1: to say about you, what's your basketball legacy would ultimately
Speaker 1: look like because you were a part of something that
Speaker 1: was considered a black eye for the NBA. He didn't
Speaker 1: care about any of those things. To me, that's a
Speaker 1: beautiful quality. And I often think to myself, am I
Speaker 1: that kind of friend? I mean, I'm listening to him
Speaker 1: tell this story over and over again. Am I that
Speaker 1: kind of friend? Can I do that? And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with y'all. I think I am.
Speaker 1: I'm sure my friends would tell you that I am.
Speaker 1: But I can't tell you that I'm running into the
Speaker 1: stands or the malice in the palace. I can tell
Speaker 1: you what I what I could do. That same loyalty
Speaker 1: was on display when he went to Minneapolis to make
Speaker 1: sure people knew who George Floyd was. That was his friend,
Speaker 1: and what happened to his friend was not right, it
Speaker 1: was not fair. And you heard him say over and
Speaker 1: over again he had no idea what he was doing
Speaker 1: when he went to Minnesota, but he did it anyway
Speaker 1: because he's a loyal friend and he wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that someone spoke for George Floyd because he didn't
Speaker 1: have a voice. And now that is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: But again, it's that same beautiful, naked emotion of being loyal,
Speaker 1: and I salute Stephen Jackson for that. The officer accused
Speaker 1: of murdering George Floyd. His trial is actually underway as
Speaker 1: we do this podcast. Simultaneously, we also found out that
Speaker 1: the Floyd family received a twenty seven million dollar civil
Speaker 1: suit settlement. Now that's interesting because all the while, what
Speaker 1: happened is summer where we saw a racial renaissance of righteousness,
Speaker 1: something that we hadn't seen within the last sixty years.
Speaker 1: Really described the emotions of a frustrated people, a frustrated culture.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there was healing.
Speaker 1: Healing for Stephen Jackson specifically, he is a loyal person
Speaker 1: and often described as a troublemaker in the league, misunderstood
Speaker 1: in the league, it was his loyalty. He wanted to
Speaker 1: be his brother's keeper. Now, while being his brother's keeper,
Speaker 1: he found himself in compromising situations. But now he is
Speaker 1: arguably the face of one of the largest civil rights
Speaker 1: movements we've seen within the last sixty years. I'm also
Speaker 1: glad to hear him share his story because it puts
Speaker 1: in perspective what we all should be trying to do,
Speaker 1: and that is really evaluate who we are from top
Speaker 1: to bottom when we're at our most vulnerable. I appreciate you'
Speaker 1: all listening. Tune in next week. I may wear my underwear,
Speaker 1: I may not. That's none of your business. Though I
Speaker 1: might have dimples in my booty, I may not. None
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