1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: At State Farm, their focused on the belief that diversity 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: makes safer, stronger, smarter neighborhoods where we're all welcome neighborhoods 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: that are reflective of the culture makers, shakers and movers 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: up tomorrow. To make a better world for our future generations, 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: we must amplify, celebrate, and empower Black creators today. And 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: that's why State Farm is committed to providing services, platforms, 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: and long standing actions to help build strong neighborhoods for 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: the black community. Because with over nineteen thousand State Farm agents, 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: they reflect the diversity of America. Like a good neighbor, 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: State Farm is there. At State Farm, they're focused on 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: the belief that diversity makes safer, stronger, smarter neighborhoods. Were 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: all welcome neighborhoods that are reflective of the culture makers, 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: shakers and movers of tomorrow. To make a better world 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: for our future generations, we must amplify, celebrate, and empower 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Black creators today. And that's why State Farm is committed 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: to providing services, platforms, and long standing actions to help 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: build strong neighborhoods for the black community. State Farm knows 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that being good neighbors means uplifting communities wherever their customers 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: find themselves because before the nineteen thousand state farm agents, 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: they reflect the diversity of America like a good neighbor. 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: State farm is there. Every champion and carry champions to 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: be a champion out of Champion and carry Champion and 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: carry Champion of Champion and carry Champion and carry Champion 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: greatest and sports and entertainmaking naked wicker in the world 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: were vulnerable considered, we come and remove the vail from 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: entertainment elite. It's a difference between what it's real and 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: with the public seats. So here's your favorite celebrities behind 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: the scenes. It's refreshing up. Then the whole story specific 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: life ought to rendevents to shape the person that you. 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: Henry gotta champion and carry Champion the girl you did it. 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: It's the greatest in sports and entertainment can naked with 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: every champion and carry champions to be a champion of Champion, 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: They carry Champion and they carry carry the people I 34 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: felt like gave me the most game, the most wisdom, 35 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: that taught me the most. Who I felt like I 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: owed something too? Wasn't there? Hey? Everyone, welcome to naked 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: with Carrie Champion. My next guest is a perfect example 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: of what it means to be naked, to tell the 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: truth when you really don't feel like telling the truth 40 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: because it exposes who you really are. And if you 41 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: want to sit here and join me on this podcast 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: in your underwear or without clothes on at all and 43 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: your birthday suit, do that too. I don't think I 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: can do that because if I'm being honest, which is 45 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: what I'm going to try to do and vulnerable, I 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: don't want you to see the dimples in my booty. 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't want you to see what I am filtering out, 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, on the Graham. But I am willing to 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: reveal my soul, my spirit, my heart, and to me, 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: that's far more valuable than the physical. And that's what 51 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: my next guest is going to do. He is going 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: to tell who he is from top to bottom. And 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure, in fact, I promise you it's a lesson 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: in that Sit back, relax, get naked if you like, 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: but pay attention to our next guest as he joins 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: us on the Naked Podcast. My name is Stephen Jesse Jackson. 57 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: My grandfather's name is Jesse Jackson. So I'm similar just 58 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: like him. I think I inherited a lot of his traits. Uh. 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: He was the bread. He was the bread one our 60 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: family in the backbone. He provided for everybody. And what's 61 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: funny was the year he passed was my first year 62 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: in the NBA. So I feel like I inherited that 63 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: role to protecting and and and provide for the family. 64 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: I was born and port Art to Texas. Well. Actually 65 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I was born in Houston, Texas, our away from port Art, 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: the Texas and uh, I was raised there. So I 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: was about four or five years old and third ward, Texas. 68 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: You all know Stephen Jackson as an NBA champion. You 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: know him as a podcaster and analyst, uh and arguably 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: a face of a civil rights movement that changed our However, 71 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, at his core was a basketball player. He 72 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: had a natural talent at a very young age, of 73 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: talent that I'm sure he would say he took for granted. 74 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for folks who noticed that talent 75 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood and demanded that he used his talent, 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be where he is today. Take a listen 77 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: to Stephen Jackson talking about his childhood. Well, I started 78 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: playing basketball when I was four. Um. I remember having 79 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: a friend named Charlie and he was the kid in 80 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: the neighborhood that had all the games. You know, he 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: had everything, so all the kids like me and didn't 82 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: have that used to go to this house at the 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: school and hanging with him and try to play his 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: game and stuff. And his dad he played basketball. They 85 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: had a y C A team at the time, and 86 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: I was good on the west side, but my mom 87 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: did have money. Nobody had money for me to join 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: the league. So his parents brought me on their team 89 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: and allowed me to play with them and Perry, the 90 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: guy named Perry Gobert. Um. I think my first game 91 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: carry uh. We went to Baumin to player team and 92 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: to score. The final score the game was forty two 93 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: to forty four. I had forty two points and my 94 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: other team they had too. Uh. At that age, people 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: saw something in me. And I'm five years old, so 96 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: I really don't know what. I'm just playing basketball having 97 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: fun as time passed. Millions of times where almost ruined 98 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: my life, millions of times where I wanted to be at, 99 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: the millions of times where I almost got arrested, million 100 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: of times where I almost got shot. My city protected me, 101 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: and I think as I was growing up and playing basketball, 102 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: I got to pull my senior in high school. Um 103 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: we had just won the championship in ninety five and 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to oak Kill Academy my 105 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: senior year. My uh, this is one of the biggest 106 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: high high school basketball programs in the country. I didn't 107 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: want to. Oh. I wanted to stand in the hood, 108 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: play basketball and winners another state championship with my people. 109 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: I had no idea thinking about the NBN that my 110 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: coach and my mom pulled me to the side and 111 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: basically forced me to go to Okaill Academy. I'm not 112 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: even thinking, you know, when the school could take me. 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: At the time, I just wanted to stay with my friends, 114 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: play basketball and be a normal kid, just not knowing 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: the sending me to Okhill was the best thing for me, 116 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: where I was able to make the mcdown's game and 117 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: all types of stuff. I was saying that to say 118 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: they saw something in me as a teenager that I 119 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: didn't see. I didn't see the NBA. I didn't even 120 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: see college. I was saying, survival Cary. I was trying 121 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: to survive, to see the next day. I was trying 122 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: to I was trying to hang with my friends, but 123 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: not get shot like my friends. You know. It was 124 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: it was. It was all those type of things that 125 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: I was dealing with, not even thinking about basketball. But 126 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: I was blessed to have those people in my life 127 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: to see further than I could see. Nothing has ever 128 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: come easy for Stephen Jackson, and he'll tell you that himself. However, 129 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: uh leaving Arizona not by choice, but because he wasn't 130 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: doing what he was to supposed to do. He didn't 131 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: graduate and enter the draft in a traditional way like 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: the other standouts who had the same exact resume he did. 133 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: For instance, Kobe Bryant was in his quote unquote draft class, 134 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: but Stephen Jackson had to take an unlikely route to 135 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: the NBA. And it was all because he still was 136 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: fighting with the streets. He couldn't let them go. My 137 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: best friend named John Johns arrest in peace. I used 138 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: to I used to drive back and forth from US 139 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: to Houston within him a lot of time to do 140 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: some things for him. So he's getting this house rated 141 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: by the Drug Task Force. A lot of the people 142 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: that worked at the Drug Task Force was at our 143 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: high school game. So they know me and they know 144 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: my family from the city. His house is getting raided. 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: He's across the street at the neighbor's house and he 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: calls me. It was like, bro, I need you John, anything, 147 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: you do the reason why I got on Jordan's right now? 148 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: Like anything. He's like, they tear my house up in 149 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: my room, but what they're looking for is not in 150 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: my room. It's in the front room. I need you 151 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: to go get it. I'm like, man, please, ain't no way. 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: This is what I'm thinking in my mind. But then 153 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: again I'm thinking this is this is who feed me 154 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: right now? You know, I want my brother to look 155 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: nice if I have the draft party. I want to 156 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: look nice. You know, all these things wrong from with 157 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: through my mind. So I go, I get this girl 158 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: to bring me. I go over there. I knock on 159 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: the door. Um, his aunt answers the door and her 160 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: son is down on the side of it. Just so happened. Uh, 161 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: isn't his cousin played basketball as well? So when I 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: got in the door and the police ran to the 163 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: front door, what are you doing here? We know you 164 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: know what John is tell us my quick, I thought, quick, 165 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm here to check on his little cousin. He played 166 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: basketball with me. I saw the police. I'm just trying 167 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: to figureut what's going on. We know you line, where's 168 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: John Johnson? Bad? They went back to the room. As 169 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: soon as I walk in, I look at this. Up 170 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: there is e. She looked at me. We're bothing. Know 171 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: what I'm there for? Grabbed it, put it in my drawers. 172 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: Run out the door. As I'm walking out to do carry, 173 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm grabbing the car door. All I hear is Jackson. 174 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: Immediately my body going the full sweat, soaking with I'm 175 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: so nervous. What I have on me carry could have 176 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: put me in jail for thirty years. He tapped me 177 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: on my shoulders, like Jackson, we know you know what 178 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: John Johnson. As I turned around, I'm sweating. He just 179 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: hands me his card. I take the card, hopping the car, 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: go get John and go to Houston. He gives me 181 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for that. Now carry. I It was 182 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: the dumbest thing that I could have ever done in 183 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: my life, getting ready to go to the NBA. But 184 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't in that mind frame, you know, I was 185 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: thinking about that moment. I wasn't you know, I didn't 186 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: know if I was gonna make it to the draft, 187 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but that was that was probably 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: the craziest thing in the dumbest thing I did at 189 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: that moment, and the reason why Stephen Jackson says that 190 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: was the dumbest thing he could have ever done, especially 191 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: in that moment He's on his way to the league, 192 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: his life is getting ready to change. Your friend asked 193 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: for a favor, and that favor leads him to a 194 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: very compromising position. If the cops decided to search him 195 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: in that moment, what do you think would have happened? 196 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: And if he would have searched me, would have been 197 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: over with. You would have never heard about Stephen Jackson. 198 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: And he's right, we would have never heard about Steven Jackson. 199 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: But we have and he's here today and as he's 200 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: made his way in the league and become a success, 201 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: he also talks about those who didn't make it with him. 202 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: A lot of who he is, a lot of his 203 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: naked characteristics have to do with death. He talks about 204 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: losing his older brother and how that eventually shaped him 205 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: until the person he is today. My older brother was 206 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: killed over a girl that he was dating. Three guys 207 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: jumped in bust his head with pipes where he had 208 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: eighteen staples in his head. He was, he was a bestman. 209 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: He wouldn't have lived anyway. You know, um, I think 210 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: a dad a dad too. After it happened, he died, 211 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, I got a chance to say something to him, 212 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: and he at a tear. He died couple hours after. 213 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: A big reason for me making it was because of him. 214 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: A lot of us, a lot of the good and 215 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: bad stuff I learned from the older brother, talking to girls, 216 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: smoking weed, sneaking alcohol in the movies, to see menister 217 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: society and juice. I was with him. I learned everything 218 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: from him. And I knew the life he was living 219 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: was because he wanted to see a better life, you know. 220 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: And and I knew a lot of things my brother 221 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: was doing in the streets. A lot of people respecting 222 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: me because of the stuff he was doing, you know 223 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, whether it was good or bad. They 224 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: left me alone because of him, And so I knew. 225 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: I knew his heart carry I knew its hard whether 226 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: it was you know, he did some things that he 227 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't have done. I knew his hard and I felt like, 228 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: if I had a chance to make a wife he 229 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: was alive, I kind of I could have changed some 230 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: things around. It hurt. My grandfather wasn't there to hurt. 231 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: The people I felt like gave me the most game, 232 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: the most wisdom, that me the most. Who I felt 233 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: like I owed something too, wasn't there. It hurt, But 234 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: at the same time, I was happy because you know, 235 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: it's still my mom, my brother, my stisters, still people. 236 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: You know, I had two kids at the time when 237 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: I first got in the NV, so I still have responsibilities. 238 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: I still have people cared about. But I knew having 239 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: m had my brother with me, it would just have 240 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: been different. I would have been I would have been protected. 241 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to be to protect all the time, 242 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and that's just the 243 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: security he gave me. So after a few years of 244 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: being cut and trying out for different teams in the 245 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: league and also playing overseas, Stephen Jackson finds himself and 246 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: the starting lineup in two thousand for the New Jersey Nets. 247 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: It's a bitter sweet situation care because I get there. 248 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm starting the whole first half of the season, I'm 249 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: leading all rookies and scoring, make the Rookie All Star Game. 250 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: Come back after the rookie I don't play at all. 251 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: I don't start, I don't play. I'm like, what did 252 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: I do? Like? What did I do? You know what 253 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I don't know if they wanted to 254 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: play their veterans at that time. Byron scott wife was 255 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: was really like a second mother to me because I 256 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: was there. I was eighteen, eighteen nights at the time, 257 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: nights at a time, and she knew I was young. 258 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: I was living by myself, so and they and Byron 259 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: Hunt and Byron Scott had a son at that time 260 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: that me and he were kind of close. We were 261 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: the same age, and she really cared to me, like 262 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: she really care. She took care of me like she 263 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: treated me like her own son. I don't think Byron 264 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Scott liked that. I don't think he agreed with that, 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: and they're divorced now, but I don't think he agreed 266 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: with that at the time, And I think that's why 267 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: he stopped playing me, because it wasn't nobody better than me. 268 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: At the time. I was young, I was doing my job. 269 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: I was playing well. But for me to come back 270 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: fresh from Rookie All Star and not play at all, 271 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: I knew it was something personal, to the point where 272 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: I stopped playing. And We're playing in San Antonio Spurs halftime. 273 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: I'm just standing over there in my suit and I 274 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: was in my uniform, and uh, Mike, Mike Brown came up, 275 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: was like, why you're not playing like man? Your guests 276 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: as better than mine. Man, I just don't want to 277 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: say the wrong thing until you coach bron You know 278 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: I will. He was like, yeah, I know, but keep 279 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: your head. We come and get you in so many words. 280 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: And so after that season, I end up playing Summer 281 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: League with San Antonio. Uh end up becoming second and 282 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: scoring behind Dirt the Whiskey in the Utah Summer League, 283 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: to the point where I bought out so much. Right 284 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: after the game, Pop pulled me to the side. Stephen Jackson, 285 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: you can be on this team, you can play, you 286 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: belong in this league. You can't smoke weed. You can't 287 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: smoke weed on my team. Jack I'm telling my Pop 288 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: was clears day with it. Before you even offered me 289 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: a contract or anything. I'm looking at you. I know 290 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: he smoked I hear you smoke, you don't hide it. 291 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: As soon as I left Pop, I went smoke. Before 292 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: and after I signed the contract. I smoke care but 293 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: I had to say what I had to say to 294 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: get the cheddar. You know what I'm saying here? And uh, 295 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: but I think Pop, because getting to San Antonio carry 296 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: I think that's when I became a professional. That's when 297 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: I learned this game is more than just playing the game. 298 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: I learned how to prepare. I learned how to be 299 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: a man. I learned how to be a professional. I 300 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: learned how to be a teammate. I learned I learned 301 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: how to be a better brother to my teammates. In 302 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: San Antonio. Pap was was like a father figure at 303 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: some point because you know, all the things that I 304 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: was doing, I had friends stand with me. You know 305 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The girl I was with at the 306 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: time wasn't the best for me. And to be honest 307 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: with you, Pop seeing that as soon as I met it, 308 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: he told me she wasn't a want for me. Yes, 309 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: Pop told me, and um Tim took me in like 310 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: a big brother, him and him and Steve Steve Smith. 311 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: They took me in like a big brother on the 312 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: flip side, David Robinson, his wife. I was going to 313 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: spend holidays with them, going to church with them. So 314 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: I had a balance of everything in San Antonio, you know, 315 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: I had had a balance to everything. And I think 316 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: being there be able to play with two Hall of 317 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: famers and David Robinson, Tim Duncan winning the championship with 318 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: David robson his last year is on his retirement year, 319 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I think that all made me. That was my UH 320 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: moment where I felt like I belonged here. When once 321 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: I won that championship and Tim dunkers get called me 322 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: the ultimate teammate and David gave me credit of all 323 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: the big shots, I felt like, that's when I find 324 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: little rider. That's when I belonged in the NBA, that 325 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: moment winning that championship. Every champion and carry champion is 326 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: to be a champion of Champion and carry chappion and 327 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: carry chapiyon the champion and carry chappion and carry chappion 328 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: and sports and then the teammate connected. 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At State Farm, they're focused on the 366 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: belief that diversity makes safer, stronger, smarter, neighborhoods where everybody 367 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: is welcomed, neighborhoods that are reflective of the culture makers, 368 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: shakers and movers of tomorrow. To make a better world 369 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: for our future generations, we need to amplify, We need 370 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: to celebrate, but more importantly, we need to empower black 371 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: folks today. The reason why I started this Naked podcast 372 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: was to show the humanity in the culture. I believe 373 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: we're in the place we are in terms of how 374 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: America sees Black folks is because they don't see our humanity, 375 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: and that is what Naked is supposed to do, show 376 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: who we are from all aspects. State Farm is committed 377 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: to providing services, platforms, and long standing actions to help 378 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: build strong neighborhoods for the Black community. Say Farm knows 379 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: that being good neighbors means uplifting communities wherever their customers 380 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: find themselves. They don't just provide a policy, it's a partnership. 381 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: They're partnering with us here at the Black Effect on 382 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: the Naked Podcast. With over nineteen thousand State Farm agents, 383 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: they reflect the diversity of America like a good neighbor. 384 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: State Farm is there. You know what's happening, everybody. I 385 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: want to talk to you all about how small businesses 386 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: are such a big part of our neighborhoods and communities. 387 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Think about all the great small businesses we love. For me, 388 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: that's my barbershop. When I need a fresh baldy cut shave, 389 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: That's why I go. It could also be that small 390 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: cafe you're a regular act, you know, with the nice 391 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: barista at State Farm, the coaches about being a good neighbor, 392 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: being there for people when they needed the most. When 393 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: we support small businesses, we're giving back to our communities 394 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: and being good neighbors. State Farms launching into their a 395 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: hundred year of helping people in more ways, including small 396 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: businesses and the spirit of helping the world be more neighborly. 397 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: They're encouraging everyone to support small businesses in their communities. 398 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Here are a few ways you can help. You can 399 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: be a good neighbor by shopping local, learning about the 400 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: small businesses in your neighborhood, or even spreading the word 401 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: by telling your friends and family about them. You know, 402 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: I just learned that all State Farm agents are actually 403 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: small business owners themselves. Not only do these small business 404 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: owners live and work in our communities, but they're also 405 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: our neighbors. This year, State Farm created a campaign to 406 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: help small business owners understand the importance of business insurance. 407 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: This was in an effort to help them take control 408 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: of their financial futures and inspire to make their future 409 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: generations prosperous. They're especially focused on black and Latin X 410 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: owners with this campaign, and their message is rooted in 411 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: the fact that their neighborhood agents know what it takes 412 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: because they are small business owners too. State Farm helps 413 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: empower good enighbors by building a diverse and inclusive culture, 414 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: and that means using business as a force for good 415 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: and supporting communities every day and when they needed the most, 416 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: like a good enighbors. There chepion, they carry chappions. Chempion, 417 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: they carry cheppion. Che they carry chepion. So here's the irony. 418 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson wins a chip with the Spurs and he becomes, 419 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: as he just said, a professional. Right, he is now 420 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: a professional, and I agree with him in so many 421 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: ways because it really does change your mindset. But after 422 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: he leaves the Spurs, he goes and placed with the Pacers. 423 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: And this is arguably what he's known for famously or infamously, 424 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: which is the malice and the palace. I asked even 425 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: to tell us what happened, and only a way in 426 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: which he can do. The brawl situation was crazy in Detroit. 427 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: We were playing in Detroit at the time. The previous year. 428 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: I wasn't on the Pacers. They played in Detroit in 429 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals. It was a big robbery that 430 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: was almost fighting, went the blows and he trieded to 431 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: win him. The next year, we were the favorite because 432 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: this is my first time on his team and added 433 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: me to this team made the roster so much better 434 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: that we had that one of the top teams and 435 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: they would say we're gonna with a championship where that 436 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: game was a big game and it was a statement 437 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: game and it was on TV. Come to fourth quarter, 438 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: we're blowing him out. We're up by fifteen twenty. We 439 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: all had good games. We're talking ship carry. It's gonna 440 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: be alone, yea, y'all, Yeah, y'all, y'all run last year 441 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know we're talking cash craft 442 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: Ron and being going at it, you know, because had 443 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: words or whatever. So it got to point where I'm 444 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: at the free throw line fifteen fifteen, probably forty five 445 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: seconds left, something like that carried. I shoot a free 446 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: throw first three, that free through, I'll make it. I 447 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: step back to give Ron and Jamal Tensiley five. As 448 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: I do that, I hear Jamal say you can get 449 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: your file back wrong. Remember I didn't play with him 450 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: in the Finals the previous yet, so I really didn't 451 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: know what that meant. But any time I've been on 452 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: that team long enough, any time you give Ron I'll 453 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: put a battery in this bag, or give any type 454 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: of confidence to do something dumb, he gonna do it. 455 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: Here's Oats explaining why he has bee forbid Wallace, Me 456 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: and Ben Wallace beef as basketball. He's getting defensive player 457 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: in the years and I want that simple right. Yeah, Yeah, 458 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: I was gonna get it. I led the league in 459 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: Texas flavorings. Media is not voting from you know how 460 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: that going and you you out in It was for you, buddy, 461 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: So it was close because then I came back and 462 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: got it the next show. I was gonna get it again. 463 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: He got it when I got spend it. Yeah, he 464 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't get that, right, He's a great m That was 465 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: an opportunity right there. So I think that's where you know, 466 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: We're on the court, Me and Bend and guard each 467 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: other and were busting their ass. But sometimes me and 468 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Ben would get into the mix. So as I running 469 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: down court, I'm like, it gotta be being who are 470 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: thinking about filing? I didn see him talk tracks nobody 471 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: else doing the game care so I run a guard 472 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: bill just so he came file him. They throw the 473 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: ball to beIN the clocks. Want to not carry from 474 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: to go home with a win. And then at the 475 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: end of the games you don't want to file nobody 476 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: and send him to the free throw line. So I'm 477 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: guarding Band, just little token defense, and I let him score. 478 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: But as he's going up to score, wrong come from 479 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Now now, immediately when the fire happened, 480 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: you had to be there to see this. Being got 481 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: maybe two hundred pounds heavier at that moment. He just 482 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: blew up right and I'm seeing this and he comes 483 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: towards Ron and put his whole hounds in both his 484 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: eyes and push his head so hard carry I'm looking 485 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: to see if it came off. I'm trying of looking 486 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: the stands to see if his head came off. He 487 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: pushed Ron so where Ron had to gather him stuff. 488 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: You know, Ron is a big old boy too. So 489 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: after Ron gather himself, they about to lost up. We 490 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: end up breaking it up kind of you get gets 491 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: to a pushing match, and just so happened. I was 492 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: I was already cool with Rep. Hamilton and I was 493 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: cool with she. I was like my brother, so we 494 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: wasn't really trying to fight each other. But it had 495 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: got to the point where as I'm trying to break 496 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: it up, I see my close friend Rep. Hamilton's still 497 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: talking ship. So I you turned out the huddle and 498 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: square up, put my church out of square with him 499 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: and Lindsey Hunter because I'm I didn't went to that mode. Now, Okay, 500 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: they talked. Okay, I'm in fighting mode. Now coaches grabbed 501 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: me me breaking up. I calmed down. Ron is laying 502 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: on the scores table. So what people don't know is 503 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: Ron was seeing a counselor or some type of lady 504 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: he was talking to. I don't know what they call it. 505 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: But they had me, Oh trust me carry. They had 506 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: me do a couple of sessions with the two. They 507 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: thought I was crazy too, but she was a sweetheart. 508 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: She was a sweetheart. She knew he wasn't crazy. She 509 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: was just getting that check and doing her job. I 510 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: felt on that, and uh so they told Ron, when 511 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: you get to the point where you can't control yourself, 512 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: go lay down, find a pieceful place. They told him 513 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: five is a happy place, right, So he did. He 514 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: did when they was destructed to do they know the 515 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: stories have and he took the analysis headphones and put 516 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: him on his head so he can lock everything. Guy, okay, 517 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: good job. Run to the point where the regime's proud. 518 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: Regie Miller was proud of it. Resill whenever they put 519 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: his hand on his chest, like that's what I'm talking about, roun, 520 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying of what I just wanted to be doing. 521 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: While he trying to calm down whoever this guy is, 522 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: he has to be a novice. And cup thrown. He 523 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: threw the cup Carrie where it stayed upright all the 524 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: way to it, got the roar and hit run upright, 525 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: didn't flip though on it. They had a bet that 526 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: the beer colamb Okay, in any state, you throw water 527 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: anything in somebody's face outside, it's a salt. Today it's 528 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: a salt. Ron looked in the stands and saw two 529 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: guys clapping and like, yeah, we made in the landed 530 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: I want the bet, not knowing as he'd be lined 531 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: up there. He grabbed the wrong guy so he's don't 532 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: keep come beating up this dude, and the guy who 533 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: actually threw the beer grabbed him from behind, so By 534 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: that time, I make it up the steps a row 535 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: above roar, and as I land, I put my hands 536 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: on rung. Another guy throws another beer and rung face 537 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: you fair game? Hi, come here? Lay him down. As 538 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: I knocked him down, I'm on my way. I'm on 539 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: my way to go Sammy Davidson and go stump him out. 540 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: I got pulled back. I end up landing on the 541 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: dude who actually threw the bill run, so I'm tagging 542 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: him in the head bath bah back. I get pulled 543 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: off by David Harrison six ten, two ninety and he 544 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: has me in the choke hole, not knowing he's choking me. 545 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: Carry so I'm looking at Rashid tell her Rashi trying 546 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: to tell him, I'm he's choking me. I'm passing out 547 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: because during the whole time you're dreaming the pumper, you 548 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: really don't breathe like these posts. I'm not a boxing 549 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: so I don't want to. So my Dreallaline was pumping, 550 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: so I really wasn't breathing. So I'm understands in the 551 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: sheet and I'm blacking out. Carrey, I'm about to pass out. 552 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: He's some kind of way. I grabbed his on he 553 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: let me go and out stand up and as I 554 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: stand up and you look at it, Ra, she grabbed 555 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: me and we all start walking back down to the court. 556 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: As I'm walking to the court, I see chuck persons 557 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: and grabbing Ron and I'm following Ron to the back 558 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: to the locker room. Carry every refreshment that that they 559 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: sold at that arena. I had a taste of it 560 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: on my uniform. Popcorn, links, hot dogs, pickles. I just 561 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: had advertising everything on my jersey walking to by it there. 562 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: And as I got in the locker room to this 563 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: is this is where the story gets crazy. After I 564 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: get in the locker froom, I sit down. Jamal Tchens 565 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: is just over the lack like he thinks this is 566 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: just the funniest thing together. He like he but but 567 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: I gotta give hc benefit of that. He laughed at everything. 568 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Now I'm good a bad he laughed every I sit 569 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: down and I put my hands on my leg eggs 570 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of like, and I pull up my hands a 571 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: full of blood both my hand from me jumping over 572 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: the bleaches and all. I didn't pay no attention to 573 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: none of that care. I was in the mold. All 574 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: my legs are scratched up, and I'm looking at my 575 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: legs and like man as I'm trying to figure myself together. 576 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: Ron tapping Stack, you think we're gonna get in trouble? Yeah, 577 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: let me think about that, Ron Travel, Well, are you 578 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: lucky we have a job tomorrow? Ronard tests saying do 579 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: you think we're in trouble? Well, that was only a 580 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: small part of what would happen. Stephen Jackson was suspended 581 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: for thirty games and lost close to two million dollars 582 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: in salary because of the malice and the palace. Not 583 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: to mention, the then commissioner, David Sterns started in forcing 584 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: all type of rules to make sure nothing like that 585 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: would ever happen again. There was a dress code. Players 586 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: could only behave or act a certain way because they 587 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: wanted to ensure the fans that they were called unquote safe. 588 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: I have my own opinions on that, but we'll leave 589 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: that there. The point of the matter is is that 590 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: the quality of being loyal. It's something that Stephen Jackson 591 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: holds near and dear, and he says it's often the 592 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: reason why people just don't understand who he is. I've 593 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: been so misunderstood for running in the stands with Ron, 594 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: and for helping Jamal Tensei shoot my gun trying to 595 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: help him at at the Strip Club, and people don't 596 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: know I was probably five minutes when my brother was 597 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: getting beat to death. I was five minutes away from 598 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: not knowing it what's going on. So not being not 599 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: being able to be there for my brother, I think 600 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: that haunted me a lot. Where I'll make it a 601 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: point to beat up for the guys I called my 602 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: brother today. You know, that's why they think twice to 603 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: go on the stands for Ron, That's why they think 604 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: twice to help Jamal Tensely, That's why they think twice 605 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: to go to Minnesota stand up with George Floyd. Because 606 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: I've always been my brother's keeper and and and being 607 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: so close to my brother, not being that that always 608 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: haunted me. So I've always took pride. And if I 609 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: feel like you're my brother, if I'm with you, if 610 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: I tell you I love you, and our norse reciprocated, 611 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: I go through a wall for you. And that's just 612 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: that's just how I bussed this. Then, from day one, 613 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson has been unapologetic about being loyal, and it 614 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: was that same loyalty that led him to become one 615 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: of the faces of a national civil rights movement. One 616 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: of his dear friends was murdered by police officers. We 617 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: know him as George Floyd, but Stephen Jackson called him Georgie. 618 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: Georgie me and George was always in the streets care. 619 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: We never did anything care but hang out, get bent 620 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: and go to club. That's all we did. So we 621 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: had a mutual friend named Telly Joyce Rest in peace. Telly. 622 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: So he knew me as a yachster playing basketball and uh, 623 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: I used always playing on the courts while the drugs 624 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: was sold. He come, He came to me, like, Bro, 625 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: I got a homeboy that looks just like y'all might 626 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: have the same daddy here a little older than you. 627 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, y'all look alike. Bro. I'm like, man, please, man, 628 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm a team. At the times, I don't think theyre 629 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: making fun of me. He brings Florida back the next week. 630 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: As soon as I see Floyd we see each other, 631 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, dad, yo, daddy, that's how much we 632 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: look alike. And uh, we just became cool and our 633 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: respect what what we call each other twin. This is 634 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: a coordinated activity happening across this nation, and so we 635 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: are in a state of emergency. Black people are dying 636 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: in a state of emergency that we cannot look at 637 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: this as an isolated incident. The reason why buildings are 638 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: burning are not just for our brother. George Floyd got 639 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: killed for doing for what I'm doing here. Mike macael 640 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: X got killed for doing what I'm doing. So I 641 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: get a week, ten or fifteen death threats. But people 642 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: just don't want equality. They don't hate me, they just 643 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: don't want us to being equal. And it's been tough 644 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: because a lot of times I didn't know what I 645 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: was doing. Carried my first four weeks and been in Minnesota, 646 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: I didn't I'll guarantee you I probably slept ten hours 647 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: in four weeks because I was I wanted to continue 648 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: to make my people proud, um I want. I wanted 649 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: to do right for Georgie, you know, and people and 650 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know when when when Georgie 651 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: got killed, I was still in pain from Kobe. I 652 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: was I like, when that happened, I left my neighborhood, 653 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: just walked like I was still hurting from Kobe and 654 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: that was a close brother of mine. So when that happened, 655 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: like everything just came out at one time. It's just 656 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: like I've been holding it in. Okay, now enough is enough. 657 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: I can't take the more. I've never felt so helpless 658 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: in my life. What can I do two help my 659 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: brother and Carrie. I have to say this. I had 660 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: no idea what I was going down there, and do 661 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: I knew nine out of ten times when this happens 662 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: to a black male. First thing they tried to do 663 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: is assist, assassinated their character, bring up old stuff, and 664 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: none of them ever had an NBA player. Were one 665 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: of the hottest podcasts in the world to speak on 666 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: their behalf. I had to be that. I had to 667 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: be his voice. And everything I said the press conference, 668 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: I think, uh here, having to make a matter we 669 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: speak before me, that all helped me. You know. I mean, 670 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: I love us so much. Oh my god, I'll shout 671 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: out to me him and I love us so much. 672 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: And I think hearing her speak before me it helped 673 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: me relax because I didn't, you know, everything I said 674 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: it came up the top of my head and from 675 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: my heart, and it helped me relax and make me 676 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: get ahold of what I the message that I wanted 677 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: to come across, because before I spoke Carry, a lot 678 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: of people was thinking I was coming with fun white people. 679 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: I hate all y'all that motherfucker. That's what they was expecting. 680 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That's what they was expecting. 681 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: But as you know, Carrie, I hit him with that 682 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: articulate ship and at the same time getting my point across, 683 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: and it made it real simple. I love everybody, but 684 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: the time of playing both sides, it's over either you 685 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: with us are you against us? And I'm glad that 686 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: I was able to speak in a intelligent manner, uh 687 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: a heartfelt manner and carry. I had no idea I'll 688 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: be the face of the biggest civil rights movement ever. 689 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: Eighteen countries, fifty states. I can never thought this would 690 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: be who I am. I've always been the guy and 691 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: go out throw stuff at me. I embrace it whether 692 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: it's good or bad, because I know either it's a 693 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: test or it's a blessing. So I'm gonna I embrace 694 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: it all the time. And I embraced I had. I 695 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: had embraced this too. Carry with going down there, but 696 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know all this was gonna come from him. 697 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm glad I did go down on that because not 698 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: only did I do something, I did something for the world. 699 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: But my life has changed care My life has changed 700 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: from this for the better because it's forcing me to 701 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: not be a hypocrite. I can't say that my brother's 702 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: keeping and I'm promoting music with somebody killing somebody. Are 703 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: they talking about shooting each other up? I take pride 704 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: in taking these steps and not being a hypocrite. And 705 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: I love the person I am now, and and and 706 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: I hate I had to lose my brother for all 707 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: these things that happened in my life. But I know 708 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: he's smiling down knowing that his death is not going 709 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: in a bandoned. He changed the world. A lot of 710 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: things are changing from from his incident, and I'm just 711 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: thankful that I had a part of this. Past summer 712 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: was one that we will never forget. It changed everyone, 713 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: including Stephen Jackson. The division, the healing, the hurt, the 714 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: pain oftentimes documented in so many different ways. And now 715 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: the trial of the officer who is accused of murdering 716 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,240 Speaker 1: George Floyd is underway. If you look back on everything 717 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: that's happened. The question is simply to Stephen Jackson, would 718 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: you have done anything differently? I think I would have 719 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: went harder. You know, I was out there protests and 720 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: I was doing this and doing that. But I think 721 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: during the time when it first happened, I think we 722 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: could have We could have did more as far as 723 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: far as getting them to understand exactly why we all 724 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: get to stuff up, because because even if you look 725 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: at it after that ra Shard Brooks, mard Aubery, they 726 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: still didn't get it. So obviously we didn't do enough 727 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: because it's still happening. So in my mind, I could 728 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: have done more. I don't know what it is because 729 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I went 730 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: down there. But if I could have done something different, 731 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: carry I would have done more. Stephen Jackson in the 732 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: basketball player, Stephen Jackson, the the podcaster, slash analysts, Stephen Jackson, 733 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: the businessman, Stephen Jackson, the activists. There um so many 734 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: people see you in a lot of different ways. Stephen 735 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: Jackson a family man. You always talk about your babies. Um, 736 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, the ladies man. You gotta you know, no 737 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: one really knows your personal life. You guys, and then 738 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't tell. I don't tell nobody my business. I 739 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: know people, businesses. But is there a part of you 740 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: that feels like I know for me there is. But 741 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: is there a part of you that feels like you're 742 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: not being honest with everyone about who you are and 743 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: you wish you could remove that mask. I think with me, Garry, 744 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: I want my emotions on us league, and I think 745 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: I get of my honest self to the world more 746 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: than the normal guy. You know. I think as far 747 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: as how I live, who who I am as a person, 748 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: what I have, what I but, but what I've obtained, 749 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: who I love and who I hate, that's clear at day. 750 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't have skeletons in my closet. You can't assassinate 751 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: my character in no type of way. But I think 752 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 1: I do have things in my past that people would judge. 753 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: You know, people judge people for selling drugs, people judge 754 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: people for carrying guns, people, people judge people for certain stuff. 755 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: I could care less, but people still tend to judge 756 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: people like that. I have kids, who I care what 757 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: they think, I care what they here, and I think 758 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: for the most part, what I'm doing today means more 759 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: than me than anything I did in basketball. I honestly 760 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't appreciating in basketball three or four years. 761 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: I should have made the All Star Game, and I 762 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: simply didn't make it because I had my teammates back 763 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: in the broad not because of the way I played 764 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: the game. Because I speak my mind when the coach 765 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: is wrong on the teammate, I'll make a rap song 766 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: when the Clippers have a racist owner. Those are the 767 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: reasons why I don't give my accolades for planning in 768 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: the NBA. So I never really was was felt like 769 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: I was respected and gave a fat chance and NBA 770 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: carry I honestly don't. I think. I think I was 771 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: judged and and and scrutinized. Um even with the broad care, 772 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: we if the brawl happened today, we wouldn't get suspended. 773 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: With everything that's going on today, we wouldn't have got suspended. 774 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 1: We're at work, a guy throws a beer on the court, 775 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: how are we supposed to respond? At that time, they 776 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: was trying to save the game and stop the game 777 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: for being so hood and so black. So they was 778 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: looking for a reason to change the dress code. It 779 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: was looking for somebody to blame to have a faith for. Okay, 780 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: this is why we're changing all the rules because these 781 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: guys and they were looking for it at the time, 782 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: and I fit. I fit the bill, fine, I'm cool 783 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: with it. What I'm doing now means more than me. 784 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: I want to be known for being the face of 785 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: eighteen countries and the and the fifty States, the biggest 786 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: civil rights movement. I want to be known as the 787 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: face could change. What I'm doing now, going from city 788 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: to city, trying to make it to all fifty states, 789 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: giving back to people who I know need people in 790 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: these areas that the whole world know that if we 791 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: come together, we can kind of end all this poverty. 792 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: We know all this stuff, but we're not doing the 793 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: fact that I'm able to give a help in hand care. 794 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: This mean more to me than than any basketball, any 795 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: ring I could wear. This means more because I'm actually 796 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: changing lives and I'm doing something that's bigger than me. 797 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm not playing the game. I'm actually giving my time, 798 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: my finances, my my my my health, everything. I'm putting 799 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: everything on the line for better men, for other people, 800 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: and uh, no better feeling. I've never had no better 801 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: feeling to be honest. I feel like Stephen Jackson has 802 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: shared all he is needed to share on this platform. 803 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: But I have to ask him in this moment, when 804 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: was the last time, or if ever, you found yourself 805 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: completely vulnerable? When are you naked? My oldest daughter no 806 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: more than anybody, anybody on this earth. My daughter knows more. 807 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: She she's never judged me. She's never judged me. She's 808 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: my best friend. UM. I think she's kind of like 809 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: my shrink because I know she's not gonna judge me, 810 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: and I can't. My Tamiya Jackson and Scottie Jackson, I 811 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: can't do no wrong in their eyes, and I want 812 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: to keep you that with I'm really grateful that Stephen 813 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: Jackson came on the podcast today. I appreciate his honesty, UM, 814 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: and I appreciate him saying he is at his most 815 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: vulnerable naked when he is with his daughters. And for 816 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: many men, it's their daughters who can do that, who 817 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: can bring that out of them. So there's that honesty 818 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: that only your children can elicten. I do believe though 819 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: his best naked emotion is is loyalty, UM. And the 820 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: reason why I say it's a naked emotion is because 821 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: he does it so selflessly. I don't know if you 822 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: were able to understand the dynamics of him losing his 823 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: brother and not being there to help him, and why 824 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: as a result of that, he feels it necessary to 825 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: protect those that are in his life that he cares about, 826 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: that he considers family, that he considers close friends. That 827 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: was the theme throughout this entire podcast when he talked 828 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: about every single important moment in his life. It was 829 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 1: the loyalty that kept him there, that kept him coming back, 830 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: that allowed him to define who he was, to make 831 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: him feel better about who he is as a human. 832 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: For instance, the malice in the palace, not everybody's running 833 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: into the stand to protect Ron artests or even help 834 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: him correct. In fact, everyone wasn't. It was Stephen Jackson 835 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: and there was a reason for that. And he did 836 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: it without even caring what others would say. I mean, 837 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 1: the the repercussions being fined, what the league is going 838 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: to say about you, what's your basketball legacy would ultimately 839 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: look like because you were a part of something that 840 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: was considered a black eye for the NBA. He didn't 841 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: care about any of those things. To me, that's a 842 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: beautiful quality. And I often think to myself, am I 843 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: that kind of friend? I mean, I'm listening to him 844 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: tell this story over and over again. Am I that 845 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: kind of friend? Can I do that? And I don't know. 846 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: I got to be honest with y'all. I think I am. 847 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure my friends would tell you that I am. 848 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: But I can't tell you that I'm running into the 849 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: stands or the malice in the palace. I can tell 850 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: you what I what I could do. That same loyalty 851 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: was on display when he went to Minneapolis to make 852 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: sure people knew who George Floyd was. That was his friend, 853 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: and what happened to his friend was not right, it 854 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: was not fair. And you heard him say over and 855 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: over again he had no idea what he was doing 856 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: when he went to Minnesota, but he did it anyway 857 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: because he's a loyal friend and he wanted to make 858 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: sure that someone spoke for George Floyd because he didn't 859 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: have a voice. And now that is a beautiful thing. 860 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: But again, it's that same beautiful, naked emotion of being loyal, 861 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: and I salute Stephen Jackson for that. The officer accused 862 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: of murdering George Floyd. His trial is actually underway as 863 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: we do this podcast. Simultaneously, we also found out that 864 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: the Floyd family received a twenty seven million dollar civil 865 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: suit settlement. Now that's interesting because all the while, what 866 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 1: happened is summer where we saw a racial renaissance of righteousness, 867 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: something that we hadn't seen within the last sixty years. 868 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: Really described the emotions of a frustrated people, a frustrated culture. 869 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there was healing. 870 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: Healing for Stephen Jackson specifically, he is a loyal person 871 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: and often described as a troublemaker in the league, misunderstood 872 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: in the league, it was his loyalty. He wanted to 873 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: be his brother's keeper. Now, while being his brother's keeper, 874 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: he found himself in compromising situations. But now he is 875 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: arguably the face of one of the largest civil rights 876 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: movements we've seen within the last sixty years. I'm also 877 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: glad to hear him share his story because it puts 878 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: in perspective what we all should be trying to do, 879 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: and that is really evaluate who we are from top 880 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: to bottom when we're at our most vulnerable. I appreciate you' 881 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 1: all listening. Tune in next week. I may wear my underwear, 882 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: I may not. 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