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Speaker 1: Okay, today we have a very special guest joining us.
Speaker 1: One of our first returning guests, Bachelor and Paradise fan
Speaker 1: favorite Jill Chen his hair. Hey, Jill, you look so
Speaker 1: different down on the beach.
Speaker 3: I know, like, worse are better?
Speaker 2: No, you look amazing and I thought, let me just
Speaker 2: get this out. You were nothing but class. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: that you cried like you did, but I admired you
Speaker 2: and you were being real and honest with yourself.
Speaker 3: Thank you, CONGRATSA. When I watched it back, I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: I was sadder than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 3: Like I thought it was like a Girl Boss moment,
Speaker 3: like Okay, yeah, I'm gonna leave at my court and
Speaker 3: it was like kind of pathetic. I was like, my god,
Speaker 3: I'll tear it up. Jill.
Speaker 1: Do you remember me coming up to you going, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, wait a minute, you're leaving because I overheard
Speaker 1: you And I was like, what you said? I tell us?
Speaker 1: What tell us what you said? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: No? What it is all a blur? What did I say?
Speaker 3: Tell me?
Speaker 1: You were just like I hate being friend zoned here.
Speaker 1: I've just I'm everyone's and this isn't good for me.
Speaker 1: It's not healthy. And I was like, but stay and he.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there to find love, right, Yeah? So fun friendship? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right? And I feel like I can see I have
Speaker 3: like I can see what's going to happen. So you
Speaker 3: know what's what's going to happen. Is Sean going to
Speaker 3: give me his rose? Probably? Not? Like why am I
Speaker 3: going to? Why do I even want Sean's rose? Do
Speaker 3: I even like Sean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How do you feel about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel Oh, I feel absolutely fantastic. I feel
Speaker 3: like I made the right choice obviously.
Speaker 2: How does it feel feeling all the love from Bachelor
Speaker 2: Nation and all of us after leaving it?
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's been such a crazy experience getting all of
Speaker 3: the messages and how many people resonate with me. And
Speaker 3: it's honestly because I've never really had that from Bachelor Nations.
Speaker 3: Usually it's all like conicism and you're so blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: But no, this time, I feel like it was the
Speaker 3: most kind of accurate to how I felt and know
Speaker 3: people are seeing kind of the real emotions and I'm
Speaker 3: always going to keep it real with you guys. So yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's been It's been really heartwarming.
Speaker 2: And yeah, people out there that feel the same way
Speaker 2: you did it situations, you know, they resonate with that.
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about all the comments people
Speaker 1: said you should be the next bachelorette?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I tell them to be quiet?
Speaker 1: Oh is that is that? Is that something you would
Speaker 1: not do?
Speaker 3: Then? I don't think I would. No.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait before you say Joe, wait before she
Speaker 1: says no, I got an idea. We did paradise together, right, Golden?
Speaker 1: Then yeah, how about you be the bachelorette and I'll
Speaker 1: be the Golden Bacherette. We'll do what show would do bachelorettes.
Speaker 3: I like where this is going. You should definitely pitch this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, do share? Why would you consider not doing it?
Speaker 2: What would you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been a Bachelor Nation for four ish
Speaker 3: years now and I haven't found a single guy that
Speaker 3: I could see myself.
Speaker 1: With that was it just takes one Jill, I know, but.
Speaker 3: Still, like I I feel like the next guy that
Speaker 3: you everybody knows about will be my husband. Like I'm
Speaker 3: not going to I just can't do it anymore. Like
Speaker 3: it's I mean, obviously would it be a fabulous opportunity, yes,
Speaker 3: but like I'm also like I got things to do,
Speaker 3: Like I gotta like I'm thirty, Like we got to
Speaker 3: get this thing rolling, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait, So you're going to keep your
Speaker 1: private life private? I hear you, So are you dating?
Speaker 3: I am dating? Yes? Of course I'm dating.
Speaker 1: Oh love, we want to hear you tell us all
Speaker 1: about your private lifcense you don't want to share?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like I'm dating Okay, So here's the
Speaker 3: stupid thing. So I haven't done the dating apps since college. Literally,
Speaker 3: so I've really never done the dating app. So I
Speaker 3: downloaded a hinge. Oh my god. I was told there
Speaker 3: was going to be hot people, there was going to
Speaker 3: be cool people, as far as I can tell him,
Speaker 3: the best one on there. Like I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 3: been such a struggle, Like I hate it so much.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a full time job.
Speaker 3: I got three dates this week, I got this guy
Speaker 3: next week, this guy I gotta check it with. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just can't. So yeah, but I I
Speaker 3: am dating obviously.
Speaker 2: Well how did you meet the date?
Speaker 3: Like, what give us the Oh, well, there's like there's
Speaker 3: been a couple. There's been a couple, you know, ponies
Speaker 3: in the stable if you will.
Speaker 1: But I take it you're not serious about anyone yet.
Speaker 3: Well maybe I am, but I'm just not going to
Speaker 3: tell you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like it more than one date with the
Speaker 2: same person of course.
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah she's not.
Speaker 1: She's not a serial dater. I want to get back
Speaker 1: since you're not going to share it, I want to
Speaker 1: get back to some paradise because I want I want
Speaker 1: to get the tea on this? What what is your
Speaker 1: thoughts on all the drama, the paradise since you know,
Speaker 1: since you left, and you know all that Jeremy's phone call,
Speaker 1: everything that to Susie, just all of the drawa. What
Speaker 1: do you think about it?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's like you could see these things
Speaker 3: kind of bubbling beneath the surface, and now that the
Speaker 3: money is involved, it's you know, getting pretty cut throat.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Brian, I'm not sure if Brian
Speaker 3: would have told Bailey. I think someone had to.
Speaker 1: My god, do you mean Jeremy. Do you mean you're
Speaker 1: not sure if Jeremy would Well.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Brian. I don't know if Brian
Speaker 3: would have if the competition element wasn't involved, I don't
Speaker 3: know that maybe he would have, maybe not. It was
Speaker 3: a great opportunity for him to do that. I would
Speaker 3: say it was a good play, but again, like you're
Speaker 3: taking people who aren't, you know, who didn't sign up
Speaker 3: for a competition sale show to play in this competition.
Speaker 3: So I mean, the whole Jeremy thing, I okay, I.
Speaker 1: Hate to say this, but there's no one listening but us.
Speaker 3: Jill, go ahead, right, no, yes, it echo chamber. But
Speaker 3: like I and I've told him to this to his face.
Speaker 3: I don't really care for Jeremy.
Speaker 1: I've said it on that I can't tell you, but
Speaker 1: there are some people that I will not you know,
Speaker 1: I can't out other people, but I can tell you
Speaker 1: you are not alone in that comment.
Speaker 3: I know. And it's like whatever, Like you know, I
Speaker 3: met him in person and he wasn't that really nice
Speaker 3: to me. He's I think he's one of those people
Speaker 3: that is only nice to women that they find attractive
Speaker 3: or they you know, they care to know about yea,
Speaker 3: they care right or like it thinks it's worthy of
Speaker 3: their time. So that's fine.
Speaker 1: But I have you're gorgeous, so that thank you for sure.
Speaker 2: You're friends with Susie. Have you guys talked about all
Speaker 2: the drama that that took place about her?
Speaker 3: Of course we have, Yes, of course you have. Which
Speaker 3: is so funny, like she's like I was on the
Speaker 3: show for like twenty four hours and this narrative just
Speaker 3: continues throughout, which is interesting. And I also, I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel terrible because it's like, you know, she's being
Speaker 3: but she can't speak her own truth. You know. It's
Speaker 3: like she she's just being talked about rather than being
Speaker 3: able to, like, you know, say things herself. I think, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think Jeremy was a bit delusional
Speaker 3: because he's like, oh, you know, like I'll just I'll
Speaker 3: just compose.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, let me let me just back up. You
Speaker 1: think a guy is delusional for calling a woman that
Speaker 1: he's talked to for let's call it ten minutes and
Speaker 1: uh and saying I'd get down on a knee and
Speaker 1: propose her. You think that's a sounds like a delusional guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Jell Oh, yes, man.
Speaker 3: I know it's right. It's which is like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what he's thinking. But also it's like she turned
Speaker 3: you down, brother, you're going to marry her? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just it didn't make any sense to me. It's never
Speaker 3: made any sense to me. Bailey's such a catch, like
Speaker 3: and well she said it out of Jeremy's league, so
Speaker 3: it's like, let's go with that, like she is so deserving.
Speaker 3: But you know, like, God, I hope that these Obviously
Speaker 3: I wish the best for everybody, and I hope everything
Speaker 3: works out. Do I like, you know, in my practical mind,
Speaker 3: do I think that all these relationships are going to
Speaker 3: work out. Probably not, you know, but lessons are learned
Speaker 3: along the way, and those are valuable too.
Speaker 1: Well, who do you wait? Who do you want? Which?
Speaker 1: Which ones do you think have the best chance of
Speaker 1: working out?
Speaker 3: Sensor? And just they've always been good, you know, they're
Speaker 3: so cute, so sweet.
Speaker 1: Wait, if should I break the news now that Keith
Speaker 1: and I are engaged?
Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say. I was like,
Speaker 3: maybe you and Keith, maybe you and Keith, or like
Speaker 3: Jonathan and Leyah.
Speaker 2: I need your honest opinion with the man code. And
Speaker 2: everybody was mad at Brian for telling me. Did you
Speaker 2: respect him for doing that?
Speaker 3: And yes, of course I did.
Speaker 2: And do you feel like he did it for the
Speaker 2: wrong reasons like you said earlier? Or he really did
Speaker 2: care about her?
Speaker 3: I can't tell. Brian's hard to read. Brian's another one
Speaker 3: where I'm like, also this shout out to Brian's family.
Speaker 3: Brian's family loves me, so I can't really thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 3: He I mean, I'm not sure that there's a lot
Speaker 3: going on up there in the sense of like I'm
Speaker 3: trying to manipulate a situation.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait with Brian. Yeah, oh my god, Okay, I think.
Speaker 2: That's saying he wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1: Just a minute, No, what she said, there's not a
Speaker 1: lot upstairs there.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'm sad, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 3: in terms of like being extremely manipulative, I don't really
Speaker 3: think that was hism o. I think someone needed to
Speaker 3: tell Bailey and he had a good opportunity to do it,
Speaker 3: so why not do it? And also he had a
Speaker 3: chip on his shoulder from Jeremy, so it's like if
Speaker 3: I wanted to get revenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jeremy you're saying, I mean, it's it's almost
Speaker 1: comical what Jeremy says. You know, I was gonna tell her,
Speaker 1: but you know, I had to get a good night sleep.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there going, yeah, I was good to tell,
Speaker 1: but you know, I had to wash my socks. I
Speaker 1: was going to tell, but I had to write my
Speaker 1: grocery list. I was going to tell her, but I
Speaker 1: was dusting my end table, Like, come on, but it's.
Speaker 3: Eight days later, eight days later, Like you're really gonna
Speaker 3: wait that long? He's like, I didn't think it was relevant,
Speaker 3: but you kept bringing it up. I didn't know that
Speaker 3: it was still pervasive. I knew that there was like
Speaker 3: that he had maybe regretted his decision, but I didn't
Speaker 3: know that up until the night that I left, that
Speaker 3: he was actively talking about this. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: It was like that, what about the Sean and Alicia?
Speaker 2: And have you talked to Sean since the show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've talked to Shawn Sean. I mean, Okay, that
Speaker 3: whole thing is a mess. It's a huge mess.
Speaker 2: Whoa and whoa huge.
Speaker 3: Mess and it's only it's only gonna get messier from
Speaker 3: what I understand.
Speaker 2: And I just said it looked like the previews.
Speaker 1: Two things to say. I love the fact that I
Speaker 1: am not involved.
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you, Kathy.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I agree with you, Jill. It's messy,
Speaker 1: it's it's unkind. There's so many different uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and yet both of those people were Everyone was so
Speaker 1: kind to me on Paradise. I mean, they were lovely
Speaker 1: people to me and good conversations. So I'm sort of mentally,
Speaker 1: sort of caught in the middle with that whole thing.
Speaker 3: I would agree. I don't have a lot of experience
Speaker 3: with Alicia. What I can say is like This is
Speaker 3: so tough because, like, you know, this is what I've
Speaker 3: had to learn throughout my like my seasons or my
Speaker 3: time in Bachelor Nation, is like you get so close
Speaker 3: to people within such a short amount of time, but
Speaker 3: you've only really known them for like three weeks.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, but wait, we really know them? That's right.
Speaker 1: Well you don't really, it's the reality of it. But
Speaker 1: all right, so we've covered what you think about others.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to hit you up. What tell us
Speaker 1: about Jonathan? What really happened between you and you know?
Speaker 1: What have you guys talked about with regards tow this
Speaker 1: the drama, et cetera. What what's going on? What happened
Speaker 1: spill the beans?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I mean obviously we had a misunderstanding, misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: I misinterpreted these things that he was saying to me
Speaker 3: with the information, you mean, the.
Speaker 1: One when he said date you, I mean that when
Speaker 1: he said maybe I could date you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, oh, you're making my decision hard.
Speaker 3: You make my decision hard or something, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe there's a chip after I just said, you know, like,
Speaker 3: are you open blah blah. So of course I misinterpreted.
Speaker 1: That I mean to.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is with everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and like and that was honestly, like
Speaker 3: I feel so bet for Leo, but like that was
Speaker 3: it was validating for me to kind of see the
Speaker 3: pattern unfold, like, Okay, he's maybe really not even trying.
Speaker 3: I don't think, Yeah, it's not me. I think that
Speaker 3: he hasn't really given anyone a fair shot. And it's
Speaker 3: like I'm giving Sean a crack, like come on, like
Speaker 3: I'm giving Sean trying, me trying. It's like you you
Speaker 3: can be surprised by people, do I think that? Like
Speaker 3: Jonathan definitely shut things off like a little too quickly.
Speaker 3: I think because I think like we had a good
Speaker 3: like he said, we had a good friendship. Brother, I've
Speaker 3: known you for a day, like we we don't really
Speaker 3: know each other.
Speaker 2: I don't know friendship friendship.
Speaker 3: And then like you know, and then he kissed me
Speaker 3: on the date and he says, well, you know, we
Speaker 3: we kiss we kiss friends. Yeah, I kiss my friends.
Speaker 1: What well, Jonathan, if you're listening, I never got one
Speaker 1: from you, so that that argument does not hold water.
Speaker 2: And Jonathan, if you're listening, you and I gonna sit down.
Speaker 2: We're going to have a little talk. Jonathan's going on
Speaker 2: with some therapy.
Speaker 1: Jonathan, you better, you better. You know, you better be
Speaker 1: careful because Susan does wield a baseball bat. Okay to
Speaker 1: ask question. Wait, I have to ask for one question
Speaker 1: before because I don't want to run out of time
Speaker 1: to ask this. Okay, did you learn anything?
Speaker 2: She took my question.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry. Since I was there and I'm a Golden,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, have you learned anything from the
Speaker 1: Goldens that you've held onto while you're on Paradise?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes. I First of all, I loved
Speaker 3: having the Goldens there. I thought it was like it
Speaker 3: was so fun. You guys brought the energy and like
Speaker 3: seeing the way that you were moving, the way that
Speaker 3: you guys moved throughout the journey and life is like
Speaker 3: so good for us to be able to look up to.
Speaker 3: And I honestly should have used you guys as more
Speaker 3: of a resource because I was like spinning in my
Speaker 3: head and like not using you guys. So I wish
Speaker 3: I used you know, you guys as a resource more.
Speaker 3: But in having like, you know, some deep chats, it's
Speaker 3: like I got to see what you know some some
Speaker 3: of you guys are divorced or have lost loved ones,
Speaker 3: and so it's like you get to see that that
Speaker 3: perspective from you know, like if they could go back
Speaker 3: or you know, things that they've learned from the later
Speaker 3: end of their relationships. I think we only think about
Speaker 3: like the budding early romance in paradise, but getting to
Speaker 3: kind of think about what happens at the end and
Speaker 3: how meaningful that is was was really important. So I
Speaker 3: really loved it. I really it was so good.
Speaker 2: Is there anything you wish you would have done differently?
Speaker 2: Are you not happy with everything? Good?
Speaker 3: I'm so happy. Yes, I was. I was exactly myself.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't change anything. I left when my when it
Speaker 3: was my time, my sparkle was going.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well let me say it's first of all,
Speaker 1: it's not too late. You call me anytime talk about
Speaker 1: you know. I was always have an ear for that.
Speaker 1: But I also want to know you were saying I
Speaker 1: think I read or something that you wanted to see
Speaker 1: Alex I can't even say his last name or Brian
Speaker 1: Witzman did Are you in contact with either of those guys? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Anybody wasn't there that you wish.
Speaker 3: Was yeah, I wish either of them were there, But
Speaker 3: I yeah, but.
Speaker 1: You know there is a little thing, Jill, you could
Speaker 1: reach out to them. You don't have to meet them
Speaker 1: on paradise.
Speaker 3: No. I know, I that we we have both of
Speaker 3: those people I have been in contact with in the past,
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure that they know that the door
Speaker 3: is open. But so I'm it's not what is.
Speaker 1: With these guys, Susan, what is wan with these guys?
Speaker 1: You are beauty?
Speaker 2: Now, that's old saying that grass always looks greener on
Speaker 2: the other side and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 2: turns brown and they're just no.
Speaker 1: Men idiots, not all men. But can we just agree
Speaker 1: this morning that many men are just idiots? The fact,
Speaker 1: the fact that you are single blows my mind.
Speaker 3: I know it's okay, there aren't like it is okay.
Speaker 3: It is I'm in such a happy place in my life,
Speaker 3: Like I turn thirty, I've got some very exciting things
Speaker 3: coming up, and I'm just I'm happy and I am
Speaker 3: dating and it's fine, and you're just.
Speaker 2: The exciting things coming Yeah, are trying.
Speaker 3: So the funny thing is I can't. And I love
Speaker 3: when people I actually hate when people do this when.
Speaker 2: They're like, but I can't tell you.
Speaker 3: I know. I hate that and I'm like, take you, Kelly,
Speaker 3: but no, I actually can't tell you, guys. But it's
Speaker 3: very exciting and it's actually my dream come true. So
Speaker 3: it's so exciting and I can't wait. And no, my
Speaker 3: dating life is good. It's actually really good and I'm
Speaker 3: super happy.
Speaker 2: Oh and will we find out this exciting news? What
Speaker 2: do we know?
Speaker 1: I'll call her later and I'll get it out. I'll
Speaker 1: let you know.
Speaker 3: I actually don't know. I actually don't know. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm bound to secrecy, which is like the best part
Speaker 3: seek that is.
Speaker 2: That's so awesome. I'm a little envious. I want to
Speaker 2: know what it is.
Speaker 1: All Right, we got to move on. We're going to
Speaker 1: go into our topic of the day. Okay, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna ask a question where you're gonna give your thoughts
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, Jill, all right, what matters more in
Speaker 1: the long term partnership being best friends or being head
Speaker 1: over heels lovers? Would you rather have constant butterflies or
Speaker 1: constant comfort in a relationship?
Speaker 2: What says you?
Speaker 1: What do you think, Jill?
Speaker 3: I think that Oh my God, that's so tough because
Speaker 3: you get the butterflies at the beginning and you get
Speaker 3: the head over heels at the beginning. But I think
Speaker 3: long lasting being best friends and being able to, you know,
Speaker 3: be comforted by that person is one hundred percent more important.
Speaker 2: I agree, But I want both all the time.
Speaker 3: Of course, you want both all the time. But God,
Speaker 3: you know, God doesn't give us both hands.
Speaker 1: I know, having your best friends, yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: can all safely. I mean, I think a long term
Speaker 1: partnership it evolves over time and the butterflies, you know,
Speaker 1: the caterpillars turned into butterflies, the butterflies fly away, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, I think over time relationships changed. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think I always want to have that best friend.
Speaker 2: I agree, but getting excited when he walked into the
Speaker 2: room even a year later, like oh there's my man,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's a good feeling.
Speaker 3: It is a good feeling. I think that there's a
Speaker 3: good mix. But like, yeah, it ebbs and flows. Relationships
Speaker 3: ebb and flow, and you have to you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: you'll have that spark. Sometimes you don't put as long
Speaker 3: as you're committed to another into making it work, and
Speaker 3: the relationship as a whole. You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. We have these questions written in but our fans
Speaker 2: and we give them a bit of advice, and today
Speaker 2: we would like your input. Is that okay?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course I love giving advice.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: This one is from Carly and she's thirty six and
Speaker 2: from Miami, Florida. From woman to woman, I've been really
Speaker 2: struggling with my body. Every time I look back at
Speaker 2: photos with my family and friends, I find myself critiquing
Speaker 2: how I look instead of enjoying the moment. That's just
Speaker 2: a female thing. This has been going on since I
Speaker 2: gave birth two years ago, and lately I feel like
Speaker 2: there's no excuse to still look this way. Most of
Speaker 2: the people I know with toddlers have already lost their
Speaker 2: baby way, and it makes me anxious about the possibility
Speaker 2: of getting pregnant again. Though my husband and I want
Speaker 2: to give our daughters a sibling, I worry about how
Speaker 2: I'll look and feel after the second time. I know
Speaker 2: my body created life, blah blah blah, and I understand
Speaker 2: all the self love narratives, but that doesn't stop me
Speaker 2: from feeling frustrated and unhappy with myself. I'd love some
Speaker 2: words of wisdom on cultivating self love. Does this struggle
Speaker 2: with our bodies as women ever truly go away as
Speaker 2: we get older or is it something we just learn
Speaker 2: to live with?
Speaker 1: Well, Jill, since you've had four or five children, how
Speaker 1: did you fell out here first?
Speaker 3: That's what I was like. I feel like I can't
Speaker 3: really comment on this. My best friend just had a
Speaker 3: baby though, is their second baby, and she's kind of
Speaker 3: dealing with the same thing. And I would never blame
Speaker 3: anybody for taking, you know, measures to make themselves feel
Speaker 3: good and look good. I'm not saying, like, you know,
Speaker 3: anything extreme, but if it's something little you can do,
Speaker 3: definitely do it. But I think that for me, I've
Speaker 3: heard this before that it's like I've never seen somebody's
Speaker 3: body and thought about it for more than a second.
Speaker 3: I like, if someone's on the beach, like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm always self conscious on the beach, I've never gone
Speaker 3: to the beach and seen a body that has stuck
Speaker 3: in my memory, you know, it's just not at the
Speaker 3: forefront of my mind. And the people who judge are
Speaker 3: there's something deeply wrong with them. I think that you know,
Speaker 3: you can't have your body prevent you from doing from
Speaker 3: doing anything in your life, especially you know, if you
Speaker 3: want to have more kids or you know whatever. I
Speaker 3: don't think that I fully understand, Like it's like the
Speaker 3: self consciousness and feeling like you know that that worry.
Speaker 3: I totally understand it. But there are things in life
Speaker 3: that you really can't control, and there's things you can control,
Speaker 3: and you have to kind of like pick and choose
Speaker 3: your battles. There's a lot there's people out there with
Speaker 3: you know, like physical disabilities that can't change their situation,
Speaker 3: and so there has to be the level of acceptance.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, like be kind to yourself.
Speaker 3: You did you created life, and it's like a beautiful
Speaker 3: thing and you should just enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I agree. And there's always surgery after the second one
Speaker 2: if you need it, it's going to make you feel better.
Speaker 2: But the self love part, yea, That for me came
Speaker 2: with maturity yeay later in life and love it. When
Speaker 2: I came off the Golden Bachelor, that was the first
Speaker 2: thing I said, I'm good with who I am. I'm
Speaker 2: comfortable in my own skin. Yes, I do the same
Speaker 2: thing a Carly look at pictures and go damn I
Speaker 2: look good then if I only knew what I know
Speaker 2: now and look like that'd be dangerous. So like it changes,
Speaker 2: it's normal, it's life.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I feel like it's always the gross.
Speaker 3: Like you said, the grass is always greener. I look
Speaker 3: at pictures of me from like two years ago, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, if I was only looking
Speaker 3: like that, but that time I was looking at pictures ago.
Speaker 3: So you have to like enjoy where you're at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I will say having children, I gained I
Speaker 1: have three, and I gained a lot of weight with
Speaker 1: each child, Carly, and I will say it took me
Speaker 1: almost a year to get off the weight with each
Speaker 1: child and.
Speaker 2: Each which is normal.
Speaker 1: Well, I have a lot of friends who you know,
Speaker 1: a month later were back in their skinny jeans, and
Speaker 1: you know that wasn't me. I had a rough time.
Speaker 1: I get I get your problem here, Carly. I was
Speaker 1: exactly there. I had a really hard time getting the
Speaker 1: weight off. And what I would say to you is
Speaker 1: everything that Jill and siss are saying, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: give yourself some grace and some time. But the other
Speaker 1: thing that might help you is just get on walk,
Speaker 1: do something for yourself ten minutes of exercise that'll make
Speaker 1: you feel like you're moving towards your goal of getting
Speaker 1: back in shape, feeling better about yourself, because nobody can
Speaker 1: tell you to feel good about yourself. If you don't,
Speaker 1: you're just not going to hear it. Right. And I
Speaker 1: think as we get older, well, things shift, But you
Speaker 1: like I frankly look better now than I did when
Speaker 1: I was younger, just because I work hard at it.
Speaker 1: So I don't think necessarily where she says do we
Speaker 1: struggle with our bodies, does it ever truly go away?
Speaker 1: I think that's up to the individual woman. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of women, I think use getting older as an excuse.
Speaker 1: That's their choice to do it. But men, I think
Speaker 1: this is crucial, critical to you know, for some people,
Speaker 1: it didn't bother me at all. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just everyone has their own journey. But I think Carly,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is be kind to yourself. As Jill said,
Speaker 1: You've brought this child into the world, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to look back ten years from now and say,
Speaker 1: you know, so what I was ten pounds or fifteen
Speaker 1: pounds more. I wish I'd had another child.
Speaker 2: So and I also know Carly that it is so normal.
Speaker 2: We all look good ten years ago in our pictures.
Speaker 2: Two years ago, it was a good picture, you know it.
Speaker 2: But look where you are now. You have children, you
Speaker 2: gave birth, and you're still hot. You know, you're hot
Speaker 2: in your own way. You got to feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3: I think what helps me is just like the last
Speaker 3: thing I'll say back because I don't have kids, but
Speaker 3: I think for me, like whenever i'm feeling that way,
Speaker 3: I think if everything is temporary, like I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is just the way that I said I look
Speaker 3: now and that's okay, and it's going to change, and
Speaker 3: so everything is temporary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That is very good advice, Carly.
Speaker 2: Be good to yourself and love yourself because.
Speaker 1: And let us know if you get pregnant what you have,
Speaker 1: because kids are great, you know, go from two to three,
Speaker 1: maybe go and have four, you know, just going you know,
Speaker 1: the five babies.
Speaker 2: Are any questions you have for us before we have.
Speaker 3: To oh my god, that I have for you guys? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: So Susan, are you still with that Frenchman? Yes?
Speaker 2: Well he's there and I'm here that's a struggle.
Speaker 3: But yes, yes, okay, and yeah, so how are you
Speaker 3: dealing with like the distance?
Speaker 2: It sucks, especially because he was due to come tonight.
Speaker 2: O he canceled. Yes, he couldn't hit the gentleman his
Speaker 2: friend that was going to watch his dog. Well, that
Speaker 2: guy was walking his own dog and he got in
Speaker 2: a fight with astray and he got mange. And it's
Speaker 2: really contagent. It was like a big thing. And I
Speaker 2: only found out a couple of days ago, and I
Speaker 2: was like, it's like deflating your balloon, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I don't know when the next time that I'll
Speaker 2: see him, So yeah, that part is not fun.
Speaker 3: That part's not fun. Okay, but so do you think,
Speaker 3: like do you regret not, like, you know, being in
Speaker 3: a relationship and not going on paradise.
Speaker 2: No, he's a great man.
Speaker 3: Okay, good.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love to hear that. And he makes me
Speaker 2: feel good, you know, I love being around them. Kathy knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of hearing about it. Susan.
Speaker 3: I literally like everybody who has like a happy relationship with.
Speaker 1: My congratulations.
Speaker 3: Years.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, now I push it for Kathy. Okay, so
Speaker 3: what did what was your perspective on Paradise and what
Speaker 3: would you tell the younger people there about what question
Speaker 3: about about the way that we were acting.
Speaker 2: What you saw?
Speaker 1: Well, do you mean the drama or just getting to
Speaker 1: know guys?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think okay, maybe like on how to
Speaker 3: like cultivate proper Do you think Paradise is a place
Speaker 3: you can properly cultivate a relationship?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I think that it is. What I said to
Speaker 1: the young ones that I call them the young ands,
Speaker 1: I said to all of them, use this time. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a rarity where you have no responsibilities. You
Speaker 1: don't have to cook, clean, you're not at your job.
Speaker 1: You have all this time to get to know someone.
Speaker 1: And this is just like a jump start of a relationship.
Speaker 1: But as you said, Jill, when you leave here and
Speaker 1: you jump back into the real world, you're going to
Speaker 1: have to manage things like money, You're going to have
Speaker 1: to find out where you're going to live. You're going
Speaker 1: to find out if you really are compatible when the
Speaker 1: pressures of the outside world face you. So my advice
Speaker 1: to all of them was give yourself some grace and
Speaker 1: realize that things will change a little bit when you
Speaker 1: go home. Doesn't mean it's good or bad. It's just
Speaker 1: there's going to be an adjustment parod when you go
Speaker 1: home from pared.
Speaker 2: And I think Jess is doing a good job of
Speaker 2: that because when she says, I don't know that I'm
Speaker 2: going to move right in with you immediately right And
Speaker 2: that made me nervous because it was like a cliffhanger
Speaker 2: that one week. And then they talked about it and
Speaker 2: he's such a sweetheart and he goes, we'll do it
Speaker 2: on your time. You know, I'll be patient. But his
Speaker 2: friends are all getting married having kids, and he wants
Speaker 2: to stay up with that so the kids can be
Speaker 2: raised together and not get it.
Speaker 1: And I mean there space, and I think there's several
Speaker 1: relationships there that not necessarily our paradise, but overall over
Speaker 1: the seasons of Paradise that people have met and married
Speaker 1: and have great relationships. So it's like anything else in life.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to kiss a lot of frauds,
Speaker 1: but it's a great opportunity to have these budding relationships
Speaker 1: and see where it goes. So yeah, I thought it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, one where they threw money in it.
Speaker 3: No, no, I've never been on one that they thren
Speaker 3: money on it. And and people are like your friends
Speaker 3: for the money. I'm like, that's five for a thousand
Speaker 3: dollars was never going to be mine? Like if there's
Speaker 3: no way, who is I going to be a Sean?
Speaker 3: Like no, but wait, it's not. No man is worth
Speaker 3: that money.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, no, You're you're mixing it up.
Speaker 1: And I've said this repeatedly just because you you have
Speaker 1: your relationships on money and you have your money on
Speaker 1: the other right, So during these challenges, depending on who
Speaker 1: wins and it doesn't, Keith and I have a great relationship.
Speaker 1: We couldn't halftime, we couldn't get the answers right. So
Speaker 1: the money and the relationship are different in my In
Speaker 1: my book, you can still walk away from Paradise with
Speaker 1: no money and have a great love. I think you
Speaker 1: could conceivably walk away with Paradise with a lot of
Speaker 1: money and no relationship just the couple you had, they're
Speaker 1: coupled up. So I don't necessarily think money and love
Speaker 1: go together in that I think it was.
Speaker 2: A big twist when they threw that in and now
Speaker 2: towards the end and they're given, you know, making you
Speaker 2: think twice it's going to be love or money. So
Speaker 2: somebody also I could think of as somebody that I
Speaker 2: think is so in love is going to diss the
Speaker 2: other person and take money.
Speaker 1: I would that would be bad, Keith and I. Keith
Speaker 1: and I had said, We've said. It's been aired on
Speaker 1: the show a couple of times. We had said we
Speaker 1: would never take money from kids. I mean, are you're
Speaker 1: in a different situation. Well, well no, because I've talked
Speaker 1: to a lot of my friends who are my age.
Speaker 1: They're like, are you crazy, Kathy, and I said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. Here's the thing. At my age, connections and
Speaker 1: relationships with people are far more important to me than
Speaker 1: adding some more money to my bank account.
Speaker 2: For you, But they're twenty thirty, you know. That's what
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 1: For young people, they want love, they're starting their lives.
Speaker 1: That's why Keith and I could never take the money.
Speaker 1: These young kids could use the money to pay off
Speaker 1: college debt, by their first home, all those things that
Speaker 1: that to me would be such a good use of money.
Speaker 1: So that is your question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it does, Jill.
Speaker 2: We love having you and you'll be back with us again.
Speaker 2: Trust and believe me because we love having you. And
Speaker 2: unfortunately that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy
Speaker 2: Hours Golden Hour.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you will be hearing from me.
Speaker 2: I'm going to sleep tonight thinking what could it be?
Speaker 2: What could it be?
Speaker 1: We loved having you, Jill. But in the meantime. In
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