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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is twos the October thirteenth, twenty twenty, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number forty three. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: Nick is joining me here in the studio. We got
Speaker 1: Dave and Amber who are from their homes, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk Cowboys football if you guys, for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Today is Tuesday, so it's a big picture day. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of topics to talk about and we're
Speaker 1: going to hit a lot of different things. So let's
Speaker 1: jump right in. I want to start first talking about
Speaker 1: something that McCarthy mentioned on his press conference yesterday. He
Speaker 1: was asked, do the Cowboys have to recalibrate now that
Speaker 1: you make a change at quarterback? And he actually liked
Speaker 1: that word, and he said, yeah, exactly, that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of how we look at it. We kind of have
Speaker 1: to recalibrate, calibrate. My question for you guys is do
Speaker 1: you think they need to change the offensive line? Is
Speaker 1: that one of the calibrations that they need to make? Now?
Speaker 1: Last week they had you know, Steel on one side
Speaker 1: and they had Brandon Knight on the other. Do you
Speaker 1: think at this point, knowing that you don't have a
Speaker 1: quarterback or at least we don't think you have a
Speaker 1: quarterback who's as mobile, do you think they need to
Speaker 1: make a change in the offensive line? Nicko, let's start
Speaker 1: with you. Honestly, I think they need to get I mean,
Speaker 1: the best guys they can get up there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't care if Dak was playing or not. I
Speaker 1: mean if Cam Irving comes back this week and he's
Speaker 1: better option than Terrence Deal, which he wasn't in Week
Speaker 1: one apparently according to the coaches. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it really matters as far as what
Speaker 1: their skill set is. I just think they need to
Speaker 1: get the best guys. And maybe Terrence Steele's getting better,
Speaker 1: He's going to get better. It's hard to judge off
Speaker 1: one game, but I don't think the skill set of
Speaker 1: Dak and Andy Dalton should affect the guys up front.
Speaker 1: If give me the five best guys up there, regardless
Speaker 1: was playing Amber. It's tough now that you keep losing guys.
Speaker 1: So like a few weeks ago, yeah, it was kind
Speaker 1: of fun to talk about the different combinations that you
Speaker 1: could do and the different options. But then once you're
Speaker 1: down to the amount of guys that you are, I
Speaker 1: mean the group of guys, I don't see them that
Speaker 1: far off from each other. So I think that, like
Speaker 1: Nick said, at this point, it's just trying to get
Speaker 1: the best five guys that you have at the moment.
Speaker 1: And just again what we keep talking about is making
Speaker 1: sure that they're able to find the combination that they
Speaker 1: want and just stick to it so that there is
Speaker 1: a sense of continue what would be the word continuity continuity? Yeah,
Speaker 1: continuity continuity, Yeah, Yeah, to kind of keep it, keep
Speaker 1: it the same, and get that part established so that
Speaker 1: you don't keep having to go into games just kind
Speaker 1: of wondering, oh, what who are we going to get
Speaker 1: on this side? What's going to happen here? So just
Speaker 1: solidifying that aspect, but get your five guys, the best
Speaker 1: five guys out there, David, you answer this question though,
Speaker 1: also let me know what you think about how those
Speaker 1: guys played this week, Steal and particularly Steal, Beotish and Night.
Speaker 1: I continue to be impressed by Tyler Beotish. You know,
Speaker 1: as the as people start to look at the All
Speaker 1: twenty two and the grades come out, you can find
Speaker 1: the clips of him performing really well, like hitting reach blocks,
Speaker 1: getting to the second level, like he had a couple
Speaker 1: of really nice blocks that helped spring Zeke the other day.
Speaker 1: I didn't notice Terrence Steele this week, which seems like
Speaker 1: a good thing. I mean, it's against New York, so,
Speaker 1: like everything about that game, I'm just gonna couch it
Speaker 1: by it now. I'm serious, Like, don't expect me to
Speaker 1: get too excited about anything. I saw against the Giants,
Speaker 1: so it seemed like they held up, but I would
Speaker 1: like to see it against better opposition. But I love
Speaker 1: the quote from Kellen Moore yesterday. He almost sounded he
Speaker 1: almost sounded like kind of indignant. He was like Andy,
Speaker 1: Andy can move, like Andy can move and make plays.
Speaker 1: He can do that stuff. And to his credit, he
Speaker 1: was drifting and getting out of the pocket on that
Speaker 1: first throw to gallop on the game winning drive. So
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think Andy is as athletic as Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: but maybe we are making too much of him being
Speaker 1: this pocket passer. I think he's he's young enough and
Speaker 1: fit enough that he can probably you know, make athletic
Speaker 1: plays that that didn't that won't require you to overall
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Kind of looks like he is the
Speaker 1: modern NFL quarterback. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 1: even the guys who you would consider to be not
Speaker 1: running quarterbacks still can run. I think it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: in today's NFL to come into the NFL and play
Speaker 1: quarterback and not be able to move around some I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of an old thing that you look
Speaker 1: back at. Maybe some of the older quarterbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers, maybe they're they're that kind of quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think these younger guys coming in and I would
Speaker 1: still I mean, I know, you know, obviously Dandy Dalton
Speaker 1: is not young. He's closer to the end of his
Speaker 1: career than the beginning, but I still think he's more
Speaker 1: of that mold of quarterball. I mean, Eli Manning hardly
Speaker 1: got sacked this whole career. He didn't ever come out
Speaker 1: of games. It's not because he was the most athletic person.
Speaker 1: It's because he's got pocket awareness. And the really good
Speaker 1: quarterbacks know how to do that. They have that clock
Speaker 1: in their head, they know where to shift, they can
Speaker 1: feel the pressure. I mean, you know some of them
Speaker 1: like you know, if it helps if you have eyes
Speaker 1: in the back of your head like Romo did. But
Speaker 1: I mean, but you just need to have that pocket presence.
Speaker 1: And I think he showed that in the game the
Speaker 1: other night, just just rolling out like that. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times when you roll out you're throwing it away.
Speaker 1: He did a really nice job of just seeing gallop
Speaker 1: and making that throw. All right, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: move on to another topic about recalibration. Now that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't have Dak Prescott, the next thing we've talked
Speaker 1: about has been Denucci. He now becomes your backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: How comfortable do you guys feel with him being the backup?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that now is one
Speaker 1: play from being in the game. Let's start first with
Speaker 1: you Amber. I mean, I guess I have to go
Speaker 1: back from what I saw a training camp. It wasn't terrible,
Speaker 1: because that's the only thing we've actually got in to see.
Speaker 1: He is a guy that obviously needs experience, but based
Speaker 1: on what I can remember, he wasn't terrible. He had
Speaker 1: some good plays, he could make some throws. But still
Speaker 1: you never fully comfortable when you're going in if that
Speaker 1: was to happen in a case of emergency. You're never
Speaker 1: fully comfortable of having a rookie quarterback that hasn't even
Speaker 1: played a preseason game, hasn't really got able to be
Speaker 1: out there with the first team, and especially when you
Speaker 1: talk about the old line issues, it just created a
Speaker 1: worse combination of it all. So, no, it's not exciting,
Speaker 1: and let's hope it does not get to that point. Dave.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things where I mean, what's
Speaker 1: the alternative, Like, no, I'm not excited about Benda Nucci
Speaker 1: having to play, but you're talking about your third quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had a top notch guy he's hurt.
Speaker 1: Now your backup is a three time Pro bowler that
Speaker 1: is as good as you can expect to be in
Speaker 1: terms of death in the NFL. Whoever you would bring it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like they're signing Garrett Gilbert the
Speaker 1: old SMU quarterback, former Texas quarterback, if I recall correctly, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, we don't have to talk about it. He
Speaker 1: has played in five career games. I think he's attempted
Speaker 1: three NFL passes. So that's what you're talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: there's probably one quarterback in the world who's unemployed right
Speaker 1: now who has extensive playing experience. Saying that the I mean,
Speaker 1: you know who I'm talking about. Colin Kaepernick's out there,
Speaker 1: but nobody he has not. He has not been hired
Speaker 1: at any point in the last three years. I don't
Speaker 1: see any evidence that suggests the Cowboys are interested in
Speaker 1: doing that. Maybe if something actually does happen a Dalton,
Speaker 1: maybe you have that conversation. But right now, this is
Speaker 1: as good as it gets. That's what's available. Nick. I'm
Speaker 1: going to alter the question a little bit for you.
Speaker 1: What kind of impact is There's one thing to think
Speaker 1: of him as your insurance policy in the event something
Speaker 1: happens Andy, But right now where they need him to
Speaker 1: kind of step up is he's got to be running
Speaker 1: the scout game team. So he's going to be responsible
Speaker 1: every week for being able to give the defense a
Speaker 1: good look. At what they're going to face in the
Speaker 1: opposing offense. How much of an impact do you think
Speaker 1: he might have there? Good or bad you're talking about.
Speaker 1: But you know he's an athletic guy. You know he did.
Speaker 1: I was looking at his college stats. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's running maybe fifteen or so touchdowns his career, So,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he can. He's more of the mobile
Speaker 1: guy that you're talking about there. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure he will be the backup when
Speaker 1: now he probably will this week, Garrett Gilbert's gonna sign here.
Speaker 1: But you remember it's six days so even though he's
Speaker 1: been with the Browns and testing and doing all that stuff,
Speaker 1: it takes a while to get him in here. Um,
Speaker 1: but so he'll be the backup for this game. I
Speaker 1: think Gilbert can be in uniform for the game Monday night.
Speaker 1: Do you think when they you're saying, when you think
Speaker 1: when they bring in Gilbert, Gilbert's gonna jump once he's
Speaker 1: in the building and assimilated, He's gonna jump it up
Speaker 1: two I think. So. I mean he's kind of a journeyman.
Speaker 1: He's been around, Like Dave said, he hasn't played much.
Speaker 1: But I mean, he's there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: the guy that's on the sidelines and listening to the
Speaker 1: calls and seeing that stuff and listening and being in
Speaker 1: the room more. I just think he's probably better equipped
Speaker 1: to be the backup. But you know, it's it's close.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine it's you know, it's he's
Speaker 1: that experienced. But um, you know. The funny thing about
Speaker 1: Denucci too, is the guys he was playing with. You know,
Speaker 1: Amber said he hasn't had reps with the first team,
Speaker 1: but think about it in the preseason or training camp,
Speaker 1: you know, be honest, I'm sure it was a center.
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele was, you know, and was getting all these
Speaker 1: guys like he's like, where are my guys? All my
Speaker 1: guys are now? Actually the that's a good play. I
Speaker 1: mean like he's he's like, I've taken a whole plenty
Speaker 1: of snaps with Beodist and that, and the same with
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and Beodist. That's why that's that fumbled snap
Speaker 1: was kind of weird because it's like they've taken a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps your guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of the conversations and Nick, you
Speaker 1: you heard some of them too. I know Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit when the Cowboys started
Speaker 1: to realize how good Romo was was when he was
Speaker 1: running scout team because he, according to the players, he
Speaker 1: was lightening up the defense on a regular occasion, the
Speaker 1: starting the defense on a regular occasion running the scout team.
Speaker 1: So it's a great opportunity for a young quarterback to
Speaker 1: be able to get in there and show what he
Speaker 1: can do. But you also relying on him to be
Speaker 1: able to give you a good look. And so this
Speaker 1: can go either way. And if he does a good job,
Speaker 1: it actually helps the team right now, but it also
Speaker 1: sets him up full opportunities I think in the future.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know if we talked
Speaker 1: about this, but I was told afterwards. I asked Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: was he the emergency quarterback? Oh, we talked about this,
Speaker 1: I think, and I said it was Blake Blake Bell.
Speaker 1: Blake Bell, Yeah, and oh yeah he was a quarterback
Speaker 1: and coming about yeah, yeah, I should know that. Really well,
Speaker 1: yeah he wasn't. He wasn't really a thrower. But I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see what would have happened if that was
Speaker 1: if he would have gotten in there. Number eighty's the
Speaker 1: quarterback line up and run option and love it. See
Speaker 1: how it goes? All right, we're gonna take an early
Speaker 1: break here. Hate it. Sorry, that would have been terrible.
Speaker 1: Don't want to have to do that. All right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and take an early break here. Um,
Speaker 1: when we come back, I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about Dack's injury. I want to talk specifically
Speaker 1: about out Um, what what kind of changes you think
Speaker 1: this this occur as a result of this, more from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of how much this may affect this contract.
Speaker 1: And also, Jerry said something very interesting this morning about
Speaker 1: running quarterbacks and what that means and maybe what that
Speaker 1: means to the future of dak here as the quarterback
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. We'll talk about it when we come
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Speaker 1: segment of the Breakwheel Life from the s WBC Mortgage studios.
Speaker 1: At the Star. We're talking about Dak's injury and some
Speaker 1: changes that will come as a result of it. I
Speaker 1: want to go back a little bit and talk about
Speaker 1: the bigger picture thing that I think everybody, as you
Speaker 1: said yesterday, Nick, everybody probably thought about it during the
Speaker 1: industry after the injury, most people didn't say anything, But
Speaker 1: I think it's appro now for us to have this conversation,
Speaker 1: because I do think it's something that looms large for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in for Dak. The question is do you
Speaker 1: think that the contract changes for either party in this
Speaker 1: instance or what they were willing to do changes for
Speaker 1: either party in this instance based upon the fact that
Speaker 1: Dak is now out for the season with what looked
Speaker 1: like a horrific injury. But according to Jerry this morning,
Speaker 1: one five out three the fan, he will be able
Speaker 1: to recover from this completely and should be back to normal. Dave,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. I mean I was worried about
Speaker 1: it in the immediate aftermath because you don't know how
Speaker 1: serious it is. I'm gonna take Jerry at his word
Speaker 1: and say, you know, it's it's a Florida six month recovery.
Speaker 1: They think he'll be fine by May, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like it should have any long term effects. I
Speaker 1: think it was Connor Barwin, the old linebacker who you know,
Speaker 1: He tweeted Dak that he had the same thing and
Speaker 1: he was as good as new the next year or so.
Speaker 1: If that's true, I don't really think it changes that much,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. The only thing that I
Speaker 1: think my change it is you know, is this kind
Speaker 1: of like a near death experience. I hate to use
Speaker 1: that phrase, but this maybe this scares Dak into thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you know, security is more important at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, and maybe maybe he might change his attitude.
Speaker 1: But I don't even really believe that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott is one of the most self assured
Speaker 1: and confident people that I've ever been around, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't change his attitude a
Speaker 1: whole lot at all. Nick, you know, David I both
Speaker 1: answered this on the mailback this morning about will to
Speaker 1: affect his money. Dave kind of said that I where
Speaker 1: I think he could take he could get less money
Speaker 1: is based off of what he was maybe going to
Speaker 1: do this year. If you keep putting up these numbers,
Speaker 1: Let's say they start winning some of these close games
Speaker 1: and they get in the playoffs with these numbers, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna definitely surpass Deshaun Watson's forty million a year,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get you I mean, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: up there. I don't know if he's I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's still going to be able to get all
Speaker 1: of that based off of what happened here. But I
Speaker 1: also think you said Dak might be scared, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might be scared too. They might actually give him what
Speaker 1: he wants. At this point, he wanted a four year
Speaker 1: He wanted a four year deal this year. He might
Speaker 1: want a three year deal next year, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might be willing to do something like that just to
Speaker 1: see how everything goes. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is gonna be a long term thing or not. Injury,
Speaker 1: but I just think maybe it might give them kind
Speaker 1: of what both of them want. Amber I don't think
Speaker 1: it should effected at all in my personal opinion, I think, well,
Speaker 1: my biggest concern about Dak and my hesitation when he
Speaker 1: came to a long term deal was me not being
Speaker 1: sure if he was a guy, a quarterback that could
Speaker 1: actually carry the team where he doesn't need so many
Speaker 1: great guys around him. In the past, I've always seen
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott being the one that carries the team. This
Speaker 1: year that completely changed. I mean, because of injuries and
Speaker 1: everything that has happened in the old line, it has affected,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the running game, and Ezekiel Ellie hasn't
Speaker 1: been able to be as productive as we've seen in
Speaker 1: the past, but this year Dad has completely elevated his
Speaker 1: game and exceeded my personal expectations. So this year, with
Speaker 1: just four games and a half, I think he showed
Speaker 1: that he can be that guy to carry the team,
Speaker 1: and even though he has great receivers around him, he
Speaker 1: was able to elevate the passing game for Dallas. So
Speaker 1: I think he deserves everything he deserves to get what
Speaker 1: he wants. And when you take into consideration the fact
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have been saving money for this possible
Speaker 1: contract as far as them. You know, you've heard Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones talk about them not maybe bringing in a defensive
Speaker 1: player just because of what that might look like money wise,
Speaker 1: as far as cap money for next year. So I
Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys do see the value in Dak
Speaker 1: and I think that the way that he played and
Speaker 1: carried the team so far in the early season this
Speaker 1: year hopefully kind of sealed the deal for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: especially when it's an ankle injury that you can recover from.
Speaker 1: Luckily it wasn't anything in the arm or something that's
Speaker 1: going to be like long term. Yeah, based upon what
Speaker 1: all you guys have said, I think we all agree
Speaker 1: that Dak Prescott is going to be the future quarterback
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. He should be healthy, he will
Speaker 1: be the future quarterback. I'm going to change that question
Speaker 1: a little bit for you, though. Let's assume for a
Speaker 1: second that Andy Dalton takes the scene deep into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Does that, in any way in your mind change the
Speaker 1: future prospects of what the Cowboys decide to do at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, Nicholas, start with you. I don't think
Speaker 1: it changes the personnel. I think I think Dak is
Speaker 1: still going to be the quarterback for sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it I just think it might change the narrative
Speaker 1: of how much you pay him and how much it
Speaker 1: helps if if Andy Dalton could come in here and
Speaker 1: win some of these games. I mean, I kind of
Speaker 1: disagree with Amber on completely carrying the team. He was
Speaker 1: leading the team. They were one in three as well, though,
Speaker 1: that they weren't winning some of these games, and you
Speaker 1: have to put some of it on dec I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Dak and I was right there. I could
Speaker 1: have shed a tear if it would have helped anything.
Speaker 1: The other day. I hated seeing that, But I do
Speaker 1: think that he's still got He's got some growing to
Speaker 1: do as far as winning some of those close games.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if Andy Dalton's going
Speaker 1: to come in and be better at that. I just
Speaker 1: think that if he does come in and have a
Speaker 1: lot of success, I think it might let the Cowboys
Speaker 1: stick to what they think all along is that you know,
Speaker 1: they've got so much money invested in the quarterback, and
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of guys around him that are
Speaker 1: helping him because if it can help Andy Dalton, then
Speaker 1: they should help Dak. That's kind of the way I
Speaker 1: view it. So you think in that way, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: make the argument, Hey, these are the same tools you have.
Speaker 1: You probably would have done the same thing. So it's
Speaker 1: not that it's not so much on you. It's on
Speaker 1: the fact that we've got a good team around you,
Speaker 1: particularly a good office around and here's the deal we
Speaker 1: had in the place. I'm not trying to give you
Speaker 1: less money because you broke your ankle. Here's the deal,
Speaker 1: and maybe he takes it. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different what ifs about that. Amber.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts. It's definitely going to create a debate,
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, there's gonna be a huge debate
Speaker 1: if Andy Dalton and does have a really good season.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it would change I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys love Dak for everything that makes him
Speaker 1: who he is aside from just the on field stuff.
Speaker 1: They love him as a leader. They we saw the
Speaker 1: impact that he's had around his guide. To find that
Speaker 1: the whole team went up to him to make sure
Speaker 1: they got a little cap on the hand or on
Speaker 1: the helmet, I mean that says a lot. So I
Speaker 1: think that he goes beyond just what you can do
Speaker 1: on the field. It's also the leadership and the kind
Speaker 1: of person that he is, and the Cowboys love him.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that it would completely change it,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely going to create a big debate about it. Dave,
Speaker 1: It's a really wonderful point, a g And like, don't
Speaker 1: just think about the front office, but you also have
Speaker 1: to consider the message that that sends. If you do
Speaker 1: that and you saw how beloved he is by everybody
Speaker 1: in that locker room, I mean, you already knew it anyway,
Speaker 1: but you saw it on Sunday. That's an interesting point.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys tried to pull that off, and I
Speaker 1: wonder how a lot of guys would react to it.
Speaker 1: To answer the question more plainly, like, I guess I'd
Speaker 1: have to see just how well Andy Dalton played. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they get into the playoffs with him managing the game,
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I mean, Dak was Dak is
Speaker 1: in the middle of transforming into that quarterback or he was.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they were one in three. But the
Speaker 1: stuff that he was doing on a regular basis, being
Speaker 1: able to take over games and will his team back
Speaker 1: into game, I mean, that's that's what people always say
Speaker 1: they want to see, is like, oh, well he's not Rogers.
Speaker 1: He can't take over the game without without his starting tackles. Yeah, Ken,
Speaker 1: he was doing it on a regular basis, And I'm
Speaker 1: not getting rid of that because I think I can,
Speaker 1: you know, save a few bucks. No way, not if
Speaker 1: he continues on the trajectory that it looks like he's on,
Speaker 1: You're gonna look real stupid in about five years trying
Speaker 1: to pull that off. Unless Dalton just has this absolutely
Speaker 1: amazing resurgence where he is playing like an all pro.
Speaker 1: But that's never really been his game, and he was
Speaker 1: on some pretty good teams at different points in his
Speaker 1: Cincinnati career, So I would be surprised to see that,
Speaker 1: And no, I'm not trading that in for what I
Speaker 1: think Dak might become. Yeah, I think when you look
Speaker 1: at it, and to go to your point, Dave, I
Speaker 1: think we do look at it. I don't see a
Speaker 1: scenario where the Cowboys will be winning and winning big
Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is winning deep into
Speaker 1: the playoffs without their offense scoring a ton of points.
Speaker 1: Like it's not this defense is going to transform overnight.
Speaker 1: They had some players that played really well in this
Speaker 1: last game, and even with that, they still gave up
Speaker 1: Even if you take away the touchdown that was scored
Speaker 1: on the pick six, they still gave up twenty seven points.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's it's one of those situations where
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to score a lot of points offensively.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but does it get tougher than Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, And absolutely it does. It does I'm saying
Speaker 1: that get worse, And that's my point. The defense is
Speaker 1: still going to be the defense. So there is no
Speaker 1: scenario where the offense is not gonna have to rely
Speaker 1: on the quarterback. To score a ton of points if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to be successful. So I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna have if this happens, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have great season. I think the way that that it
Speaker 1: goes though, is very similar to what happened in Philly.
Speaker 1: You yeah, I mean they went all the way to
Speaker 1: the mountaintop with with Nick Foles won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and then they shook his hand and said we're going
Speaker 1: back to our young guy. Because that's the issue. That
Speaker 1: is five years younger than than Andy, and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I think they're comparable at the least, they're comparable quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And so if you've got two guys, you think both
Speaker 1: have the capability to be able to do the job.
Speaker 1: I think you still go with the younger guy, the
Speaker 1: significantly younger guy. In NFL years five years less, that
Speaker 1: means you got five more years potentially of a contract. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To me, I think I think you kind of changed
Speaker 1: the question in my opinion. I never am I saying
Speaker 1: go to Andy Dalton over Dack. What I'm thinking saying
Speaker 1: is is I think if Andy Dalton has success, it
Speaker 1: might let the Cowboys kind of stick to where they
Speaker 1: are with what they want to give him because he
Speaker 1: was on a path to maybe exceed that and you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta break the bank even more than they want.
Speaker 1: I think if if, if the injury, plus what happens
Speaker 1: if he has success, it kind of keeps them on
Speaker 1: the same plane of all right, this is kind of
Speaker 1: what we still think. This is where you need to
Speaker 1: be understood. I wasn't disputing that. What I'm saying. My
Speaker 1: question initially was about does this change anything about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the decision that they make at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. If he should take them deep in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, do they should they consider the possibility of
Speaker 1: keeping him around. I don't think that's a real possibility.
Speaker 1: I think Dak is their guy, and I guess that
Speaker 1: was the question I was asking you, guys, He'll make
Speaker 1: more money somewhere else because he'll get it. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: absolutely right, the same thing that that Nick Foles did,
Speaker 1: and I think it researches this. It gives him a
Speaker 1: new new life into his career that otherwise it was
Speaker 1: probably floundering. Am bit you know, all right, real quick,
Speaker 1: before we go to another break, I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about a comment that Jerry Mate this
Speaker 1: morning on one or five out three the Fan, he
Speaker 1: says he was talking about Dak's injury, and he said,
Speaker 1: what it does remind me of, though, is you cannot
Speaker 1: figure in as part of your offense, is that you
Speaker 1: really are vulnerable when you put a running game in
Speaker 1: that real utilizes a lot the running game with the quarterback,
Speaker 1: this game, you're going to get hurt. Basically, what he's
Speaker 1: saying there in kind of the you know reading James words,
Speaker 1: is you play your quarterback, you run him a lot,
Speaker 1: You're going to get him hurt. How much do you
Speaker 1: think that changes that mindset, changes how the Cowboys decide
Speaker 1: to use Dak when he comes back next season, Because
Speaker 1: I do believe the running game is a big part
Speaker 1: of the advantages of what you get in a quarterback
Speaker 1: like Dak Prescott amber up first. Well, after seeing what happened,
Speaker 1: there's always going to be certain hesitation in playing your
Speaker 1: quarterback that way because you don't want something like that
Speaker 1: to happen again. But at the same time, knowing your
Speaker 1: east should necessarily dictate the kind of game plan that
Speaker 1: you decide to put out there. I do think that
Speaker 1: the timing of when they choose to run him and
Speaker 1: have him keep the ball should be a little different.
Speaker 1: Like we've seen him in the red zone and get
Speaker 1: touched then that way, and it has worked pretty pretty
Speaker 1: well for them. But I think that if they are
Speaker 1: able to really find the right balance between their running
Speaker 1: back running game and the passing game, there there's really
Speaker 1: no need to get Dak out of the pocket and
Speaker 1: have him run for that far. You know, little yards
Speaker 1: here and there. It's okay, but in a scenario like that, obviously,
Speaker 1: that would not be my choice. Nick, I think I
Speaker 1: kind of disagree again. I mean, I just feel like
Speaker 1: he's not that's not his strength is to sit in
Speaker 1: the pocket and make make these throws. M He's doing
Speaker 1: it though, I mean he was doing it. He was
Speaker 1: having a really good uh year, And I think what
Speaker 1: you guys are onto something about, you know, just like
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had to kind of, you know, transform his
Speaker 1: game and getting better and better. He was showing that.
Speaker 1: His strength, though, is still not with those intermediate throws.
Speaker 1: That's not He's not Troy Aitman like that. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have that pinpoint accuracy. He has though, is he's a
Speaker 1: linebacker that plays quarterback and so that play, the play
Speaker 1: that got him hurt, is a play that you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say, well, why was he getting
Speaker 1: extra yards? I've heard that complaint. Well, he's getting extra
Speaker 1: yards because that's the player you love. You love that
Speaker 1: guy because he's tough and he plays that way, and
Speaker 1: it got him hurt. But I don't think it it
Speaker 1: will change that. There's a record that Cowboys have won.
Speaker 1: I gotta go look it up. But when he gets
Speaker 1: about thirty yards or more a game, I mean it's
Speaker 1: like twenty one and three or something. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of his game and it's just unfortunate that he got
Speaker 1: hurt doing it. But I don't he's ever been really
Speaker 1: really fast, So a broken ankle, he's not gonna come
Speaker 1: back and gonna be slower. I mean, it's he's still
Speaker 1: gonna be built strong and throw the ball well and
Speaker 1: run people over. I don't know if it changed as much.
Speaker 1: Dave I agree with or I disagree with both of y'all, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: because I think that's that's what makes this contract negotiation
Speaker 1: so interesting, is like dak is becoming that quarterback who
Speaker 1: can stand in the pocket and just drive dimes on everybody.
Speaker 1: I highly encourage everyone to go pull up the clips
Speaker 1: of all of his throws to CD the other day,
Speaker 1: and there are just some incredible freakin throws, especially the
Speaker 1: ones down the seam. The guy is a lot more
Speaker 1: accurate than he gets credit for in my opinion. But
Speaker 1: going back to the real conversation is it's funny because
Speaker 1: in the interview this morning, Jerry, at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the interview, he was like, you can't, you can't play
Speaker 1: that what if game. This is football, and then five
Speaker 1: minutes later that's exactly what he did. And this is
Speaker 1: the epitome of the what if game. Dak was averaging
Speaker 1: three and a half carries per game this year. He
Speaker 1: had only cared that it was his eighteenth carry of
Speaker 1: the year. He was right on pace for his normal
Speaker 1: number of carries. If he had kept up that pace
Speaker 1: all year, he probably carries the ball fifty times. That's
Speaker 1: not a lot for especially for a guy that can move.
Speaker 1: It's a freak accident. The dude he was basically he
Speaker 1: was a running back in college, Like, he carried the
Speaker 1: ball fifteen times a game in college, and he's carried
Speaker 1: it a lot as a pro, and nothing like this
Speaker 1: had ever happened. It's a freak injury. It sucks, but
Speaker 1: it shouldn't change the way you feel about him. He
Speaker 1: won you a playoff game with his ability to run,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, would you take that away, the
Speaker 1: you know, the third and eleven scramble that gets you
Speaker 1: down to the goal line to put a playoff game away?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. And honestly, I freaking loved that play call
Speaker 1: because typically we see the quarterback draw down near the
Speaker 1: goal line to break that out outside of the red zone,
Speaker 1: and it got them into the red zone. I thought
Speaker 1: it was fantastic and it sucks what happened, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't let it change anything about the way that I
Speaker 1: use DAK. Yeah, you mentioned Nick Russell Wilson, and I
Speaker 1: think I agree with you, Dave. But here's why I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that there's still gonna run him the same.
Speaker 1: Where I think there will be a difference is I
Speaker 1: think there will be an increased emphasis on don't take
Speaker 1: hits if a guy's coming slide. And I think if
Speaker 1: you watch Russell Wilson, that's one thing you notice about
Speaker 1: his game. It is very, very extremely rare that Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson takes a hit when he's outside of the pockets scrambling. Typically,
Speaker 1: when he gets running down field, he gets as much
Speaker 1: as he can possibly get and then he gets down
Speaker 1: and he's I think one of the best in the
Speaker 1: league at he gets he maximizes the run, but once
Speaker 1: he gets to a point where he's about to take
Speaker 1: a hit, he gets down, he takes the slide. I
Speaker 1: do think that in future, what we might see in
Speaker 1: future years for Dak is that the team is really
Speaker 1: focused on Dak, get the yards. We want you to
Speaker 1: keep you that that part of your game. Don't take
Speaker 1: the unnecessary hits. So if you see him coming, get
Speaker 1: down and we'll live to fight another day. David, you
Speaker 1: have something, yes, which I'm I'm stealing this point. I
Speaker 1: think that's such a good point. I don't remember who
Speaker 1: said this, but the two best quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 1: right now at running for yards and not taking hits
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray. What did they both do? They
Speaker 1: both played baseball. Ye, So, Dak, maybe when you're healthy,
Speaker 1: hire a base running coach to teach you the final
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I would have absolutely gets get somebody
Speaker 1: to teach me how to slide. And just do it
Speaker 1: real nice and maybe you can avoid some of that concept.
Speaker 1: So that Quincey's problem, Quincy Cartner too much slide. It's
Speaker 1: a baseball got a right, Hutchinson. We had a lot
Speaker 1: of baseball players around here. They were not sliding. That
Speaker 1: was the deal. They were great throwers, just didn't slide.
Speaker 1: Do you have Amber I was gonna add that. The
Speaker 1: way I see it is that if they are able
Speaker 1: to get a more consistent offense and be able to
Speaker 1: get what they have been getting in that second half
Speaker 1: of the game, just more throughout the game from beginning
Speaker 1: to end, I think that that the Cowboys have enough
Speaker 1: to where they don't really need to be getting Dak
Speaker 1: running as much. Yes, in special place like that, it's helpful.
Speaker 1: Dak has made some really important place carrying the ball.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you have a running game
Speaker 1: and running back that when they limit their mistakes, you
Speaker 1: have both the running game in the passing game to
Speaker 1: where you don't necessarily need to be running your running back.
Speaker 1: You're running back running your quarterback as much. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how I see. It's just such a mismatch because unless
Speaker 1: you're gonna put a spy on him, which if that
Speaker 1: gets to that point where they're starting to spy him,
Speaker 1: you know, then with the way he can throw it, man,
Speaker 1: that's that that's exactly what you want, you know, because once, once,
Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson gets to the point where he's just
Speaker 1: absolutely killing people with his arm, which he's getting there,
Speaker 1: I mean, MVP, Yeah, I mean, what I'm just saying
Speaker 1: is is that that's how dangerous is you don't want
Speaker 1: to put a spy on him. That's why I agree
Speaker 1: it'd be great to have balance and not have to
Speaker 1: do it. But if they're if the linebacker is gonna
Speaker 1: cheat this way or this way because you got all
Speaker 1: these weapons, sometimes the best play is up the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I honestly believe it's one of the best things
Speaker 1: he does now. I think he's a really great passer.
Speaker 1: But I also think he has the ability, and he
Speaker 1: goes back to what he did in college, he has
Speaker 1: the ability to see opportunities to be able to take
Speaker 1: a run. I don't want to take that away from
Speaker 1: his game. I just want him to be smarter about
Speaker 1: Hey know, when the riot is over and go down,
Speaker 1: there's no point in taking the unnecessary hit. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the area where they can probably improve him
Speaker 1: a bit. All Right, we're gonna take our final bike.
Speaker 1: We will come back. I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about special teams. They had some issues this last
Speaker 1: game that continues to be a problem for this team.
Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about that in some areas
Speaker 1: where we think maybe that can be solved when we
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Speaker 1: is the final segment of the Break. We are alive
Speaker 1: from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We've
Speaker 1: talked about DAK and we've talked about all the changes
Speaker 1: that we think might happen to this offense as a
Speaker 1: result of NAC not being here. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about special teams because specialty has been an issue for
Speaker 1: this team really more than this season. It's been going
Speaker 1: back a couple of years now, and they still haven't
Speaker 1: seemed to get it right. This last game, they got
Speaker 1: a costly penalty of twelve men on the field that
Speaker 1: ended up giving the Giants and opportunity at a field
Speaker 1: goal and they end up taking the three points. John
Speaker 1: fossil went asked about it earlier this week, he said,
Speaker 1: it's my job. I'm usually pretty good at math. It
Speaker 1: will be an easy fix. It's not going to happen again.
Speaker 1: My issue is like, that's just one issue. Yeah, get
Speaker 1: it right. As far as the count, that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: But it seems like all of these issues tend to
Speaker 1: be matters of either coordination, poor coordination, or just guys
Speaker 1: not really knowing what they're doing. So my question for
Speaker 1: you guys is this is a problem that by the way,
Speaker 1: last year they were having the similar issues on special teams.
Speaker 1: At what point do you start to say you've changed
Speaker 1: the coach. Maybe it's not the coach, maybe it's the players. Nicko,
Speaker 1: let's start with you, Well, you know, I think you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give excuses here, but when you
Speaker 1: have a lot of injuries, that this is going to
Speaker 1: happen because you're you're calling up players on Saturday to
Speaker 1: come up and play. They Stephen Parker or somebody he
Speaker 1: was on the practice squad and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he comes up and he plays in the game,
Speaker 1: and so it's like yeah, yeah, and then you get
Speaker 1: an injury in the game and now you're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out who's coming in, so that that definitely happens.
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 1: said this, but like I never buy in the fact
Speaker 1: of like, well, football is about three phases. It's offense, defense,
Speaker 1: special teams. That's that's crap. That's not the case. Teams
Speaker 1: don't do that. Teams don't emphasize special teams like they
Speaker 1: do the others. If they did, they'd play their best
Speaker 1: players and play their starters. They don't. So this is
Speaker 1: what you get. You have to try to practice better
Speaker 1: within the game. I mean, within the week, you have to.
Speaker 1: You have to get the philosophy down better. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you get injuries like this, this stuff happens. I
Speaker 1: don't blame the players as much as I blame the
Speaker 1: coaches on all that stuff. Though, like I said, there's
Speaker 1: twenty eight coaches out there. Somebody needs to figure out
Speaker 1: and see, oh man, there's Evan Ingram standing there by himself.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should call time out. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we mentioned this, Camp Fleming was
Speaker 1: the guy that got the fenalty that that negated that touchdown.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the guy they called on the field. Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming was a left tackle and the fans that are
Speaker 1: watching this probably saw because Romo of course pointed out
Speaker 1: he points out everything Cam Fleming was the one that
Speaker 1: wouldn't down in his stance and they threw it to
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, and so that would they might have fired
Speaker 1: the coach if that happened. And you give up a
Speaker 1: touchdown on special teams on a fake like that, Yeah, yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, it was last year in Chicago,
Speaker 1: I believe, or maybe it was Buffalo, like one of
Speaker 1: the first examples we got. Oh, no, it was probably
Speaker 1: it was probably New Engling, if I had to get master.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was straight up like, special teams is purely
Speaker 1: a reflection of coaching. That's all it is, because, and
Speaker 1: to Nick's point, the good players don't even play. The
Speaker 1: starters aren't on your special teams, so anybody can do it.
Speaker 1: So I refuse to believe it's about the players, it's all.
Speaker 1: I mean, twelvem in on the field, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you you would like to think Cedric Wilson could like
Speaker 1: do some quick math and make sure it's all right.
Speaker 1: But the five coaches in charge of that, or you know,
Speaker 1: take Tony Pollard to side and say, hey, you've had
Speaker 1: some problems, so they're probably going to try to do
Speaker 1: this to you. Maybe be ready for it, which he
Speaker 1: was last week, to be fair, but all of the like,
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is just coaching and attention to detail,
Speaker 1: and they haven't had it through these these first five weeks.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Amber coaches are players, which is well
Speaker 1: to Dave's point, it's so disappointing because one of the
Speaker 1: main guys that we've talked about a law during the
Speaker 1: off season was Fastile and the experience, the amount of
Speaker 1: experience that he has and the success that he had
Speaker 1: in the past, so coming in, my expectations were really
Speaker 1: really high, and I was expecting Special Teams to have
Speaker 1: this drastic change and it hasn't happened. And the way
Speaker 1: I see it again, I've never played football in my life,
Speaker 1: so all I get to do is sit back and
Speaker 1: watch from afar. But Special Teams doesn't seem that complicated
Speaker 1: to me. Yes, you need a certain set of skills,
Speaker 1: but it seems that the mistakes that they've been making
Speaker 1: so far are mistakes that are just going back to
Speaker 1: basics and communication and just having everyone on the same
Speaker 1: page and having everyone know what their role is. So
Speaker 1: I hope that it's something that they can actually fix,
Speaker 1: because that's how I see. I see those things as
Speaker 1: very fixable. But it hasn't happened yet, so it must
Speaker 1: be a lot more complicated than the way I see it.
Speaker 1: But I think it does go back to coaching at
Speaker 1: this point, so which is a bigger problem for them
Speaker 1: right now. Special teams are defense defense, Dave defense defense,
Speaker 1: I mean special team you're talking. You're talking about like
Speaker 1: eighteen snaps a game, verse eighty. Um. I mean, if
Speaker 1: the defense was great, I'll live with the special team's
Speaker 1: miscuse which one's more correctable? Special team? Special teams were counting,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you just get the count right, right,
Speaker 1: you figure it out, you catch the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: you mean some of them. But but I'll say this
Speaker 1: about special teams and teams are figuring this out. I
Speaker 1: kind of wish the Cowboys would do the same. They
Speaker 1: did a couple of times. But the way the rules
Speaker 1: are set up now, I mean, it's funny how the
Speaker 1: NFL's trying for there not to be a kickoff and
Speaker 1: teams are like, oh, we're gonna kick it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll figure it out. So and they are. Then they're
Speaker 1: figuring out what the Cowboys, I mean, Tony Pollard is
Speaker 1: gonna be catching this this this kick at the one
Speaker 1: yard line now, and so it's a it's a pooch kick.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to get it, and they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to block, and I mean it's it's gonna push him back.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna do that even more with Dandy Dalton
Speaker 1: here now, I mean they're gonna say, hey, let's put
Speaker 1: them back at the eighteen yard line, you know. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure that out specials. But I
Speaker 1: still think it's more correct. All right, we appreciate you guys.
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