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Speaker 2: Out on the Giants moubul, give me some job. Part

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I am John Schmulk, thrilled to be joined by a

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Speaker 3: front of the program. You can find them now on

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Speaker 3: The Athletic Football Show with Robert Mays and Derek Class

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Speaker 3: and two guys you've also heard on our show before.

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Speaker 2: He is Dave Hellman. Dave, good to talk to you, man.

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Speaker 4: How are you and it's good to see you. It's

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Speaker 4: good to be talking NFC East. Obviously I cover the

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Speaker 4: whole league now, but this division is like my home,

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Speaker 4: so it's it's like a warm blanket when I get

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Speaker 4: to talk about Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, commanders love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you guys remember Dave used to be

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Speaker 3: we did those back in the day.

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Speaker 2: He was a team reporter for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Now he's with the Athletic You might have seen him

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Speaker 3: on his stuff with Fox A couple of years ago

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: So Dave, let's start here. And I thought you and.

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Speaker 3: And Derek and Robert did a great job in The

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Speaker 3: Athletic Football Show, which I tell everyone on our podcast

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Speaker 3: the best national podcast you could find cover in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: all fan bases.

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Speaker 2: This is week one.

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Speaker 3: Look at the problem areas understand what could be a

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Speaker 2: But for the most part, weird things happen in week one.

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Speaker 2: Give it a little bit of time.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean we say that all summer long, right, It's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to overreact to the preseason. We're not

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Speaker 4: going to overreact to the first game or two and then,

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Speaker 4: but once you see it out there on the field, especially,

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Speaker 4: let's be honest, especially if it's not very good, it's

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Speaker 4: hard not to get a little worried, get a little antsy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I live here in Chicago. Now, you saw

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Speaker 4: what happened on Monday night. I mean you try telling

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Speaker 4: way the second half of that game played out.

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Speaker 1: So it's easier said than done.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, by and large, we need we need a

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: And the funny thing, I actually went to stats and

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Speaker 3: I had them pull this for me, so I was surprised.

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Speaker 3: So seventeen teams finished with fewer than two hundred team

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Speaker 3: I went back since to the year two thousand, it

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Speaker 3: we're seeing here, Dave, with the fewer preseason games, the

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think, And there's several reasons you can point

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Speaker 4: So you combine that with the lack of a preseason,

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Joe Burrow, and I.

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Speaker 3: Now, you were not on the Hangover Show on Tuesday

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Speaker 3: the National Show. I was talking about the Giants because,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes right you're so close to it, you kind of

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Speaker 3: But Derek opened up the show the same way I

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Speaker 4: It's funny, and I think there's a natural excitement to

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Speaker 1: And so when the Giants struggle.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be a huge part of the conversation, especially

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Speaker 4: And I know JJ McCarthy weathered the storm on Monday

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, it doesn't get much easier, right, We

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Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's the NFL in a nutshell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look they have and and the Saints defense,

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Speaker 3: So I think, as you look forward here, Dave, would

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Speaker 4: I mean I yes, unequivocally yes, and I know it

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Speaker 4: You know, like that's a boring one, right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: he's the number three overall pick, he's the favorite to

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's groundbreaking analysis.

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Speaker 2: So much has happened since then, but we all watched it.

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Speaker 3: What was your overall take on a team that you

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Speaker 4: You know, moral victories aren't a thing in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: can remember them ever being really, but I thought Thursday

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Speaker 4: Certainly they didn't do that, but they looked active, they

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Speaker 4: it's Dak Prescott winging the ball around to his receivers

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Speaker 4: and I got exactly what I wanted out of that.

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Speaker 3: we went, You've been through a million of these games,

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Speaker 2: When's the last time? Usually a Giants Cowboys game in

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Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about that, but you're so right, and

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Speaker 4: I hope the talent around him is up to it.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about the matchup then, And

441
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Speaker 3: I'm with him, by the way, DeMarcus Wing on win

442
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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl with the Broncos and now the way

443
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Speaker 3: the Packers point League one who.

444
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Speaker 2: Knows talk about this matchup.

445
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Speaker 3: I know Schottenheimer, Bran Schottenheimer's was there as the offensive cordad,

446
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 3: but boy, that offense looked a lot different in Week

447
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Speaker 3: one with Schottenheimer that it ever did under Mike McCarthy,

448
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 3: with the way they ran it, some of the you know,

449
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Speaker 3: narrow splits.

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Speaker 2: More motion stuff like that.

451
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Speaker 3: What do you think this is going to look like

452
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Speaker 3: with this Dallas offense trying to go against the Giant

453
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Speaker 3: defense with a really good defensive front.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm intrigued to see see how much they

455
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Speaker 4: lean into that. And that's been something cowboy fans have

456
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 4: been clamoring for for years, is more motion, motion at

457
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Speaker 4: the snap, use your players to kind of suss out

458
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Speaker 4: what the defense wants to do. It's not been a

459
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Speaker 4: cowboy thing for most of the last decade to the

460
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Speaker 4: point where they're like people have conspiracy theories where it's like,

461
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Speaker 4: is this is this like a Jerry Jones thing? Like

462
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Speaker 4: does Jerry Jones not want to play this type of offense?

463
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Speaker 4: Or does Dak Prescott not like to play that type

464
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Speaker 4: of offense because he sort of likes to see the

465
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Speaker 4: picture in front of him and not have a whole

466
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Speaker 4: lot of stuff changing.

467
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Speaker 1: So Thursday night was a pretty.

468
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Speaker 4: Noticeable departure from what we've gotten used to, and I'm

469
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Speaker 4: just curious to see how they maintain that. Like Cavante

470
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Speaker 4: Turpin is not a guy that I expect to ever

471
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Speaker 4: have this crazy like eight to ten touch game, but

472
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Speaker 4: his speed is very interesting and they can use it

473
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Speaker 4: in a lot of fun ways again to like suss

474
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Speaker 4: out what a defense wants to do, or be a

475
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Speaker 4: field stretcher to open things up underneath. So I'm curious

476
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Speaker 4: to see how they continue to do that. I'm curious

477
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Speaker 4: to see if they, for lack of a better way

478
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Speaker 4: to put it, like, if they're man enough to just

479
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Speaker 4: kind of bow up and try to run right at

480
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Speaker 4: this giant's front. I don't I don't really know how

481
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Speaker 4: good that good of an idea that is. Like I said,

482
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Speaker 4: the interior of this offensive line looked pretty damn good

483
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Speaker 4: against Philly, but that's with Jalen Carter taking an early shower.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do that against this front? Do

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Speaker 1: you like?

486
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Speaker 4: Or maybe you should try just to see what you

487
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Speaker 4: got but how quickly are you going to pivot to that?

488
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Speaker 4: And so I look at this as a game where

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Speaker 4: I'd be I'd be asking my receivers to try to

490
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Speaker 4: uh substitute a lot of running production, get the ball

491
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Speaker 4: out on the edges, get the ball out of the

492
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Speaker 4: tackle box early and often and quickly in the in

493
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Speaker 4: the snap.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how that works.

495
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Speaker 4: But I also I wonder if they might just try

496
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Speaker 4: to figure out what they got and say, all right,

497
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Speaker 4: Tyler Booker, you got your you got your audition against

498
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Speaker 4: a lesser situation against Philly, but let's go see what

499
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Speaker 4: you can do. So I'm curious to see what the

500
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Speaker 4: game plan is and if they just sort of try

501
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Speaker 4: to avoid that fight altogether, or if they they're like, hey,

502
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Speaker 4: let's go see if we can go mono and mono

503
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Speaker 4: against these guys.

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Speaker 3: My biggest concern from a Giants perspective here, Dave, is

505
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Speaker 3: you know, Cidie Lamb's gonna come out annoyed that he

506
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Speaker 3: had a national performance where he had those drops, So

507
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Speaker 3: I expect him to come out and play really well.

508
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Speaker 3: And then we did not really see the full George

509
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Speaker 3: Pickens experience. He had three catches, they're all relatively shorty.

510
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Speaker 3: They draw that one deep defensive pass interference penalty down

511
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Speaker 3: the field. But he seems like the perfect receiver for

512
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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott because he loves to just throw it downfield

513
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Speaker 3: into tight spots and that's what.

514
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Speaker 2: George Pickens does.

515
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Speaker 3: Is this, in your opinion, the best set of weapons

516
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Speaker 3: on the perimeter that Prescott has had? And how do

517
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Speaker 3: you think the Cowboys might try to utilize him against

518
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Speaker 3: this Giants defense?

519
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Speaker 4: So I think it is, and there was there was

520
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Speaker 4: probably one year twenty twenty one Dak had young Ceedee

521
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Speaker 4: Lamb and Amari Cooper and that was pretty damn good.

522
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Speaker 4: So I think you have to mention that when you

523
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Speaker 4: talk about like the best receiver groups. I also think

524
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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen he had Amari Michael Gallup before his injury,

525
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Speaker 4: when he was a pretty good player, and they got

526
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Speaker 4: nine hundred yards out of Randall Cobb at the late

527
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Speaker 4: stage of his career. It's only week two, so I

528
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Speaker 4: can't say like this is definitively the best, but I

529
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Speaker 4: think this has the potential to be the best patch

530
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Speaker 4: pass catching group that Dak has ever had.

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Speaker 1: I'm super high on Pickens.

532
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Speaker 4: Funnily enough, I'm super high on him just playing his

533
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Speaker 4: ass off for four months to get a contract.

534
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Speaker 1: But you're you're already.

535
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Speaker 4: Seeing people pointing out that, like, oh, maybe maybe the

536
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Speaker 4: effort wasn't that great on snaps where the ball wasn't

537
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Speaker 4: coming to him, Like maybe George Pickens needs to to

538
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Speaker 4: buckle down and work on selling his routes to make

539
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Speaker 4: the defense honor him, work on blocking and stuff like that.

540
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Speaker 4: So I'm curious to see how that goes, Like if

541
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Speaker 4: the Cowboys saw that on tape and they're like, hey, George,

542
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Speaker 4: this this ain't gonna cut it, buddy, And you mean,

543
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Speaker 4: you got to have a nice season if we want

544
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Speaker 4: to if we want a big contract. So I got

545
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Speaker 4: an eye on that, But I am I'm very confident

546
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Speaker 4: that this could be one of the most explosive passing

547
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Speaker 4: games in the league, especially if the offensive line gives

548
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Speaker 4: Dack time, which okay, So I want to turn this

549
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 4: back on you, and I'll be fully I'll be fully transparent.

550
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Speaker 4: Robert and Derek, like you said, they did the hangover

551
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Speaker 4: show for the Giants and Commanders. I have not been

552
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Speaker 4: able yet to get a close eye on the Giants

553
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Speaker 4: Commander's game other than just what I saw on Sunday,

554
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Speaker 4: How did the secondary look to you? Because that's obviously

555
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Speaker 4: it's so easy to get excited about the front and

556
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Speaker 4: all of that talent, and it was a nice first

557
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Speaker 4: day for them for the most part. But what did

558
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Speaker 4: you think about the back end, because that is the

559
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Speaker 4: huge question mark.

560
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, all the one thing out there first. I

561
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Speaker 3: don't think extra Lawrence looked the same. He barely practiced

562
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Speaker 3: in the off season. He came off of this located

563
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Speaker 3: elbow last year.

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Speaker 1: It's completely valid by the way.

565
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Speaker 4: I mean, as good as he is, it's totally not

566
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Speaker 4: a surprise if he needs some time to ramp up.

567
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did not look like himself.

568
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Speaker 3: He got better as the game went along, and again

569
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Speaker 3: he didn't play a second in preseason, so I would

570
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Speaker 3: keep an eye on that too, when you have a

571
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Speaker 3: chance to kind of get ready for this. You know,

572
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Speaker 3: the secondary, I thought they allowed a little too much airspace.

573
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, and I'm going to talk to Paul

574
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Speaker 3: Someondebo about this tomorrow on the John Tuttle podcast. I

575
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Speaker 3: wonder how much Jade and Daniel's mobility affected how they

576
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Speaker 3: wanted to play in the secondary right. It's hard to

577
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Speaker 3: play pressman against Jade and Daniels. You turn your back,

578
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Speaker 3: he can run. So they were on a lot of zone,

579
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Speaker 3: they were in a lot of off They played a

580
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Speaker 3: lot of soft stuff. I didn't like that they didn't

581
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Speaker 3: really re route the receivers at the line as much

582
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Speaker 3: as they should, even when they were in zone. You know,

583
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Speaker 3: you can press, reroute and then drop, you can do

584
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Speaker 3: that in zone defense. I didn't think they did it

585
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Speaker 3: quite enough of that, and they did get beat with

586
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Speaker 3: a lot of.

587
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Speaker 2: Deep incuts and dig routes. Jayden Daniels that though, was

588
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Speaker 2: actually awful.

589
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Speaker 3: Little bit he threw the ball behind a couple of

590
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Speaker 3: receivers over the course of the game. He miss Terry

591
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Speaker 3: McLaurin on a deep pass on the left sideline, which

592
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Speaker 3: he rarely did last year.

593
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Speaker 2: So I thought they allowed a little too much airspace.

594
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Speaker 3: But again I wonder how much that had to do

595
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Speaker 3: with just having to account for Jade and Daniel scrambling ability,

596
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: because it's so hard to play man against a team

597
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: like the Commanders.

598
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Speaker 4: Jaden is one of those quarterbacks who and it's infuriating

599
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Speaker 4: to watch if you're a fan of the other team

600
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Speaker 4: because it's like we're playing so soft, like we're giving

601
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Speaker 4: him this big cushion. What are like, what are we doing?

602
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Speaker 4: We're not like pressure him, And it's like Jayden almost

603
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: forces you to play passive defense because yeah, I mean

604
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Speaker 4: if you if you play man, you can get burned

605
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Speaker 4: if you blitz and he gets out of it, which

606
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: is a good shot to happen with a guy that athletic,

607
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: You're gonna get burned. And so it almost forces you

608
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Speaker 4: into a position where you're probably not playing as aggressively

609
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Speaker 4: as you would prefer.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately for the Giants.

611
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Speaker 4: I mean, Dak is an expert pat like he's going

612
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: to make plays from the pocket, that's what he does.

613
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Speaker 4: But it is a more traditional type of game, Like

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Speaker 4: at this point in his career, I don't think you

615
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: have to worry about Dak burning you with his feet,

616
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Speaker 4: at least not more than once a game or so.

617
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Speaker 4: So I think like this might be a more accurate

618
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 4: litmus test because this is going to be a very

619
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Speaker 4: traditional looking offense just from the standpoint of the quarterbacks

620
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Speaker 4: not trying to leave the pocket if he doesn't have to.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

622
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Speaker 1: of crunch time football. I'm your man.

623
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Speaker 4: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

624
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 4: you should talk to citizens.

625
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care I'd like to

626
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: learn about an Molli routine. Yes, I knew I could

627
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: help make sense of your money with citizens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Neil Jayden led the NFL not rookies, led the NFL

630
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Speaker 3: in passing yards versus the blitz last year.

631
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Speaker 2: So I think the.

632
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Speaker 3: Giants saw that and they're like, Eh, maybe blitzing this

633
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: guy's not the best idea, right, But I do think

634
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Speaker 3: the matchup that I'll watch here Dave in this game,

635
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Speaker 3: and I mentioned the receivers for a reason able I

636
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Speaker 3: think you feel okay that he can handle his business.

637
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Speaker 3: Is he gonna be perfect or shut somebody down, though,

638
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Speaker 3: But I think he'll be okay. Cordo Flott seems to

639
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 3: have beaten out Deonty Banks on the other side for

640
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: the second cornerback spot. He played around eighty eight percent

641
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Speaker 3: of the snaps. Deontay Banks played some like fifteen or

642
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: sixteen defensive snaps in the game and out in front

643
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Speaker 3: of me, but somewhere around there. So how does Flot,

644
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: who is still a little bit undersized. He's six foot,

645
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: but he's probably only l one hundred and eighty one

646
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty pounds, give or take.

647
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Speaker 2: How does he match up against Lamb and Pickens?

648
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Speaker 3: Because those two guys are physical players, they're physical receivers,

649
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: They're on the bigger side. How does he match up

650
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 3: against those two guys. That's something that I would keep

651
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: an eye in terms of how the Giants handle that.

652
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: Do they put a safety over the top, do they

653
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Speaker 3: not trust him in man? Did they play zone? You know,

654
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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see how the Giants handle that side

655
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Speaker 3: of the field with their second cornerback spot.

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Speaker 4: Pickens made one play that kind of made me sit

657
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Speaker 4: up in my seat against the Eagles, and it wasn't

658
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Speaker 4: anything spectacular. It was it was like a comeback on

659
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Speaker 4: the sideline, move the sticks. But it's a exactly why

660
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: I'm excited about this partnership with Dak Prescott. Because Dak

661
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Prescott a He's aggressive as hell. He is not afraid

662
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: to throw into any window. He is not afraid to

663
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: just put it on a spot and be like yeah,

664
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: like it'll be picked if you don't do your job

665
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: the right way. But I'm trusting you too. And Pickens,

666
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: you know, he's got these go go gadget arms and

667
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: he just plucked that thing and he like the DB's

668
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: swatting at him and he's just vice grip on the football.

669
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: And I was like, that is why George Pickens makes

670
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: sense on the Cowboys, because Dak can just put it

671
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: in a spot and this guy's gonna go get it

672
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: no matter where it is. And so yeah, I mean,

673
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: if you've got the size advantage on a dB, I

674
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: think that is something that I would want to attack

675
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: if I were Dallas, where it's like, yeah, I mean

676
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, if he feels good about that, then like

677
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: the coverage doesn't matter because he'll just put it in

678
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: a spot where Pickens can make it work.

679
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: All right, Let's jump to the other side of the

680
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: matchup here.

681
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jerry Jones was happy that they did not

682
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: allow allow of rushing yards to Saquon Barkley and that's like.

683
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh, petty cark justified the trade. See we stopped the run.

684
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was very pumped up about that.

685
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: And by the way, I thought they actually did a

686
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: much better job against the run than we've seen the

687
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: last couple of years.

688
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: But what is this Cowboys front? Now?

689
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: Are their best two players actually their defensive tackles, which

690
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: is a weird thing to say about this Cowboys defense.

691
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: And you know the Shaun's offense line struggling in League

692
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: One against the Commander's defensive front that also does not

693
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: have any stars on it spare maybe Deron Pain. What

694
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: is this Cowboys defensive front going to do? Are they

695
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: gonna blitz a lot? Are they gonna stun as much

696
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: as they used to? What do you think that matchup's

697
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: gonna look like it is?

698
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 4: I saw the the pressure numbers yesterday, like just players

699
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: who lead the league in pressure, and I mean Dorrance Armstrong,

700
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: longtime Cowboy, really good player, So I'm not trying to

701
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: throw shade at him, but I was like, oh, if

702
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: Dorance Armstrong is like leading the league in anything, that's

703
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: that's not good. That doesn't say something good about what

704
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: happened against the Giant or from the GI's perspective on Sundays.

705
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: So I've got an eye on that.

706
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: You know it was, And I think, weirdly, I think

707
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: the answer to your question is yes, like I think

708
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: OsO Diggi Zua And obviously now new Cowboy Kenney Clark

709
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: are probably the best pieces of this front. I mean,

710
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: two young guys that I thought had nice nights, and

711
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: it started rough in the I mean the first half. Honestly,

712
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: the first half of that game did not look better.

713
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: The Eagles ran for like one hundred and thirty yards

714
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: at halftime, and I was like, this looks like the

715
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: same run defense guys, and then they buckled down after halftime.

716
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: I will point out I don't want to be a hater,

717
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: but I thought a lot of the Cowboys' success came

718
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: after Landon Dickerson suffered his injury and you know, he

719
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: got hurt and he eventually left that game, and all

720
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: of a sudden.

721
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: The Cowboys were kind of kicking ass up front. And

722
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I.

723
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: Don't think that's I don't think that's a coincidence. Now,

724
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously that's not the Cowboys problem, but it

725
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: something worth noting. But yeah, Donovan Azeraku, the rookie, I

726
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: thought he had a couple of nice flashes. And Marshawn Neeland,

727
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: who was their second round pick last year, also just

728
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: an impressively strong, disruptive guy. So those two are like

729
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: the edge rushers to watch. But yeah, I think Kinney,

730
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: Clark and Osa are where it starts. And obviously, just

731
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: watching what the Giants offensive line looked like on Sunday,

732
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: I think they probably feel super optimistic about their matchups

733
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 4: and what they might be capable of doing. I haven't

734
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: heard it. Have we heard anything about Thomas this week?

735
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: Do we know anything about that?

736
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: Look?

737
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: He took team reps in practice for the first time

738
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: all off season last Friday, Dave, and he was limited,

739
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: so I think there has to be still some measure

740
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: of build up this week. I think seeing what he

741
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: does on practice Wednesday or Thursday will be very important.

742
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it's all eyes on that for me, because,

743
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: like I said, I mean, and it sounds funny because,

744
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: like you said, the interior of the offensive line was

745
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: the culprit against the Commanders, but an all Pro player

746
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: can just be a stabilizing force across an offensive line.

747
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: So I will be eyeing that injury report intently because

748
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: I and these you know, the Cowboys pass rush I

749
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: don't think is one that you would lose sleepover compared

750
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: to some other teams on the Giant schedule. But like

751
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: I said, I'm sure those guys are watching tape of

752
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: Sunday and saying like, yeah, we we feel good about this.

753
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect a ton of blitzing all that. Well,

754
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: Matt Iberflus did start blitzing his corners in the second half.

755
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: And that was it came, right.

756
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's that's my point.

757
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: It's like they had to bring pressure from weird places

758
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: and like, that's that is not the you know, Eberflus

759
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: came up under Rod Marinelli. He was on this Cowboys

760
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: defensive staff back then when Rod was there, and like,

761
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: blitzing is not his preference. Like I think the corner

762
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: blitzes came because they were like, well it's either this

763
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: or we don't pressure.

764
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts tonight, Like what do you want it to be?

765
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: So my guess would be they're gonna try to win

766
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: with four as often as possible, and maybe they get

767
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: exotic if they have to. But that's just that's never

768
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: been eber Flus's preference if he doesn't have to. So

769
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 4: I'll be curious to see how much of a push

770
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 4: they can get with four before they try something else.

771
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: I had to laugh on that Trayvon Diggs blitz he

772
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: got into the backfield and he didn't know what to do.

773
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm at the quarterback. What do I do now?

774
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: I've never been asked to do this before.

775
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: He's like, you guys don't want me in coverage?

776
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: I got I gotta shout out Trayvon too. By the way,

777
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm like I on our Athletic Football Show preview in

778
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 4: the summer, I was like, how are the Cowboys just

779
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: expecting Trayvon Diggs to be himself?

780
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: Like he?

781
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: I mean, he had a very bad injury. He's not

782
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: having a training camp, and when they activated him for

783
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 4: the Eagles game, I was I was like, he's gonna

784
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 4: this is not gonna go well. How could you possibly

785
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: be expected to cover DeVante and aj and all that

786
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: stuff in your first game back after not having a preseason.

787
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: He was on a snap count.

788
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: Like you know, It's not like he went out there

789
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: and just completely shut everything down himself, but just to

790
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: play and play well in that situation I thought was

791
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: really really impressive.

792
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 3: I agree, and I think that's the final matchup BONE

793
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 3: asking you about here. Dave Milieu neighbors obviously not as

794
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: productive as he would have liked in Week one. You're

795
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: an LSU guy. So I know you are a big

796
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: Mileague neighbors guy. The Cowboys a big zone defense now team,

797
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: Now are they going to just straight up double team neighbors.

798
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: What do you think that's going to look like? Because

799
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure he wants to have a big game after

800
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: a Week one disappointment for him.

801
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: I would expect it to be a lot more zone.

802
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: Again, like that's the tree that Matt Eberflus comes from,

803
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: And yes I would.

804
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: I would expect them to blanket.

805
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 4: My league neighbors as often as humanly possible and just

806
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: make somebody else be the reason why they lose. And

807
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 4: I mean even with Trayvon Diggs, even with Trayvon Diggs

808
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: playing well last week, there's not a corner on the

809
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: Cowboys roster that I would want to man up Moleague

810
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: neighbors on a regular basis and trust that it's gonna

811
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: go well.

812
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Especially maybe if Michael Parsons.

813
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: Is on your team and you're confident that the ball's

814
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: got to come out, that's a different story. But I

815
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: don't trust that this Cowboys pass rush is of that

816
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: caliber just yet, So I think that is a recipe

817
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: for disaster. I would expect Dallas to cloud the field

818
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: wherever Molite neighbors is and try to frustrate him as

819
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 4: much as possible.

820
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Man, I'm yeah, I know, I know.

821
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 4: Week one was disappointing, but and I am biased because

822
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: that is where I went to school. But I'm I

823
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: think the sky's the limit for that guy. I'm so

824
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: excited to see what he's going to do this year.

825
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: All right, So let's let's end on this. These Week

826
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: two games are always tough, David. You get these two

827
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: oh to one teams, and we know what oh and

828
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: two does to a fan base. It puts them into

829
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: a tizzy, understandably, So look after you go into the

830
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: path's very, very difficult. And I just think home opener

831
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: for Dallas, the intensity in that building, and I think

832
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 3: the desperation from both teams is going to be pretty

833
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: palpable from the get go in that game.

834
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: I do too.

835
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: And I mean this is not hard hitting analysis, but

836
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: I long ago I got to a point where I

837
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 4: was like, I will believe the Giants beat Dak Prescott

838
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: when I see it happen, because I get it again,

839
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: he's on the when he's on the field.

840
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: It just hasn't been a thing. I was there. I think, yeah,

841
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I was there for the last time it happened.

842
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: They beat They beat the Cowboys ten to seven in

843
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 4: that twenty sixteen season, and Dak just didn't look like

844
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 4: he had an answer for anything that they were doing

845
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: in that game. And I think Odell broke a long

846
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: one and that was the difference. Uh. But since then,

847
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: if Dak's on the field, more often than not, like

848
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: it's been a win, and more often than not it's

849
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: been a pretty comfortable win. I don't know that that'll

850
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 4: be the case on Sunday. I'm not ready. I'm not

851
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 4: ready to write off the Giants. I know Sunday was

852
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: was pretty rough, but I yeah, Week one is weird.

853
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 4: I think there's reason for optimy, and I think there's

854
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: plenty of reason for optimism if Andrew Thomas can get

855
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: himself onto the field. But I do like Dallas in

856
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: this game until further Notice what I mean, the spreads

857
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: five and a half. A lot of that is because Dallas,

858
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 4: like you said, it's the home opener.

859
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: It should be a pretty rowdy environment, I.

860
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: Think, And I think, like I said, the fan base

861
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: in Dallas is pretty upset with the team. But I

862
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: do think that performance in Philly sort of galvanized people that.

863
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, like maybe this season won't.

864
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: Be terrible, So I think there will be some enthusiasm.

865
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would pick Dallas by like seven

866
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: or eight points in this game. Probably.

867
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: I should point out, though, you you were pretty bullish

868
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: in the Giants before the season started.

869
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 4: You thought there was a path them to actually be

870
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: much better this year, right, I like everything about this

871
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: or everything might be a stretch. I like a lot

872
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: about this Giants team, and I was really bullish on that. Honestly,

873
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 4: I was super bullish on the Giants until I saw

874
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: the schedule and like, like you said at the beginning,

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Speaker 4: it's you know, it's Commanders, It's Cowboys, both road games,

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Speaker 4: Chiefs after that Chargers. So you're playing three playoff teams

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Speaker 4: in your first four and a Cowboys team that would

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Speaker 4: have been better last year if their quarterback hadn't gotten hurt.

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Speaker 4: And then even after the Saints game, Eagles Broncos Eagles,

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, I want to believe in this team

881
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Speaker 4: so badly as a frisky sort of surprise wildcard team,

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Speaker 4: especially again it it kind of es that sounds a

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Speaker 4: little silly maybe, but like it hinges on Andrew Thomas's

884
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Speaker 4: health for me, like that offensive line just needs to

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Speaker 4: be a respectable unit and that's the easiest way to

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Speaker 4: get it there.

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Speaker 1: So I said that. I mean, look at the Steelers

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 4: It was not high flying football, but like, if you've

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Speaker 4: got a good front and Russell Wilson can get his

891
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Speaker 4: thing going on a little bit and the running game

892
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Speaker 4: is at least respectable, I think there's a path here

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Speaker 4: to like eight and nine, nine and eight for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: But then I saw the schedule and I was like.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, we're asking we're asking a lot here, Like

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Speaker 4: that is a lot of good teams to open the season.

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Speaker 4: So hopefully, I just I hope they can keep it

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Speaker 4: on track enough to where you know, there's still something

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Speaker 4: to feel good about when the schedule eases up a

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Speaker 4: little bit in the second half of the year.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's close on this because both of us

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Speaker 3: are living a similar life right now. One of the

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Speaker 3: shows you hosted meeting on the Athletic Football Show is

904
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Speaker 3: with Dane Brugler. It's called Building the Beast, where you

905
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Speaker 3: guys talk about college prospects. We have draft season, well,

906
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Speaker 3: I do the same thing with Tony. Paul nine has

907
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Speaker 3: been doing the draft stuff just as long, and I

908
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Speaker 3: love David.

909
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've done this before.

910
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Speaker 3: I'm watching a game on a Saturday and I'm like, Wow,

911
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Speaker 3: this guy looks awesome, you know, and you're all exciting.

912
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Speaker 3: You think you found somebody, and then you bring it

913
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Speaker 3: up to Dane and I bring out to Tony and

914
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Speaker 3: they're like listing their high school Oh he plays across

915
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Speaker 3: on the side, Like there are no secrets with guys

916
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Speaker 3: like Dane and Tony. They just know all these guys

917
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Speaker 3: and they're just an encyclopedia of knowledge and it frustrates

918
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Speaker 3: the hell out of me sometimes absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And that happened this past weekend where two things happen.

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Speaker 4: Number One, I see a guy and I get excited

921
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Speaker 4: and I'm like do you think, like like do you

922
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Speaker 4: think he's pretty good? And like, you know, I don't.

923
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be in love with a guy,

924
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Speaker 4: and Dane's like, oh, yeah, like he's like a six

925
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Speaker 4: round pick, you know, right or and then the other

926
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Speaker 4: thing is I'm like, holy, holy crap, who's this guy

927
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 4: that just made this play for Auburn? And yeah, he's

928
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Speaker 4: just he's got the bio ready to go. He's like,

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, he was actually at Middle Tennessee State before that,

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Speaker 4: and he made a position switch and his parents wanted

931
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Speaker 4: him to play baseball.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, what do you do during the summer?

933
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Speaker 1: How do you already know all this stuff? It's fair.

934
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm playing catch up with him, and it's very

935
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Speaker 4: it's very fun. It's and it's great to have a

936
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Speaker 4: resource like that available.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, and and and and we'll have to, you know,

938
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Speaker 3: get together and talk some college football later in the

939
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Speaker 3: year too.

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Speaker 2: As we kind of get uh week three.

941
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Speaker 3: There's not a ton of great matchups, but there'll be

942
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Speaker 3: enough to watch and as we get more information will

943
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Speaker 3: be fun.

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Speaker 2: Dave, the floor is yours.

945
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Speaker 3: Tell the folks win you you find everything that you're

946
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Speaker 3: doing working with the athletic now.

947
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I'm on the Athletic Football Show with Robert Mays

949
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Speaker 4: and Derek Classen. I mean, we we have something in

950
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Speaker 4: the feed every day of the week, but we do

951
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 4: a recap of every NFL Sunday that airs on Monday.

952
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: We're recapping every primetime game this year, so every Monday night,

953
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Speaker 4: every Thursday night, we will have something in the feed

954
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Speaker 4: breaking down what we just saw from that particular matchup

955
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Speaker 4: and stuff throughout the week. As John just mentioned, I

956
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Speaker 4: think our latest episode of Building the Beast is out

957
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Speaker 4: right now.

958
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Speaker 1: It comes out. It comes out on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 4: So if you're a draft nick like John and I are,

960
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: you can come find me and Dane talking all the prospects,

961
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Speaker 4: all the big college games, what to know for the

962
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Speaker 4: coming draft.

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Speaker 1: You can get all of that wherever wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts or on YouTube, and I appreciate it.

965
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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 3: You guys got a fancy new studio now. Man, you

967
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Speaker 3: guys are in Chicago together. It's a whole other level.

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Speaker 2: Man. Congratulations, that's great.

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Speaker 1: We're coming up in the world.

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Speaker 4: I joke with them all the time, like I just

971
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Speaker 4: signed up and I'm like, I feel kind of guilty

972
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Speaker 4: that I'm getting all this good stuff.

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty nice.

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Speaker 2: Check it out, guys. It really is a fantastic show.

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Speaker 2: If you want to figure out what's going on around

976
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Speaker 2: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: That's Dave Hellman and the Johns Little Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 3: you by citizens Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us. We'll see you next time. Everybody,