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Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of this information.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 1: Five dollars. This is a regulable up copy tackle.

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Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 4: Humans need fantasy to be human.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, don't misspeak, you guys, A prose the.

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Speaker 4: Best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, very bless there.

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Speaker 4: Well it's a verybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Fantasy at Flex podcast from the Action

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Speaker 3: Network and Fantasy As. I'm your host, Chris Raybon. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Nfl A draft is now in the book,

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Speaker 3: so we got to bring back our guy, one of

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Speaker 3: the top fantasy rankers in the game. My co host,

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Speaker 3: the oddsmaker Sean Kerner.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: What's up? I'm back? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Usually the you know, the draft does this to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm busy with baseball and basketball, but the draft brings

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Speaker 2: me back. It was definitely an exciting one. Usually have

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Speaker 2: like a handful of props. This year I only had one,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Walker over eight and a half that cashed with

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Speaker 2: the Falcons getting him fifteenth. I finished fourth in the

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Speaker 2: Fans pros Mock Draft Backers contests, just under our former

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Speaker 2: colleague Matthew Freeman, who's always you know, crushing mock drafts

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Speaker 2: and everything.

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Speaker 1: You finished third.

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Speaker 2: Congrats Freeman, and you just had a birthday, so happy

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Speaker 2: belated birthday.

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a good one.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. Oh yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and it was not even a bad draft

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Speaker 3: for the Giants, so I can't say I was too disappointed. Ye,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, Well we're gonna go a position by position here,

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Speaker 3: just throw all the fantasy fallout our kind of immediate

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Speaker 3: reactions from the draft. We'll try to focus on the

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Speaker 3: the best ball adp for a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 3: You know, Best ball tends to be aggressive on rookie

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Speaker 3: so some of them may sound high but curious as

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Speaker 3: to you know where you're where you are on these guys, sean,

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Speaker 4: Cam Woard goes first overall.

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Speaker 3: twenty four in Best Ball. Just your immediate takeaways on him,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know this, this wasn't a shock at all.

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Speaker 2: I think we've known that he's going to the Titans

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Speaker 3: But Shuck is pro ready or old I means he's older. Oh,

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Speaker 2: So he's definitely, you know, of age to be pro ready.

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Speaker 4: So I still think there is some upside with Milroe.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, he's he's kind of like you know,

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Speaker 2: no running back is you know, injury proof, but it's

437
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: probably gonna hurt Hampton's you know ceiling a bit. That

438
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 2: Nause will probably be around all season, so I think,

439
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: you know, he could be more of a thorn in

440
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 2: his side. I think that Hampton is talented enough to

441
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 2: become the lead back, you know, from day one, but

442
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: this could be more of a annoying committee from the

443
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 2: get go. So it just wasn't the best landing spot

444
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: at least in terms of year one, where I think

445
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: Dallas and Denver he would have been the clear lead back,

446
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 2: you know, high end RB two value. This it's a

447
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 2: little bit more murky, So he's more of a low

448
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 2: end RB one for me, at least initially.

449
00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

450
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,479
Speaker 3: So, I mean, so you're still used to grading him

451
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 3: as an RB one even with the even with the

452
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 3: landing spot, because he yeah, he's going RB thirteen in Bastball,

453
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: which I think was kind of predicated on him going

454
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: to more of like a Donver or a Dallas, So

455
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: you're still kind of putting him in that spot even

456
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 3: with the landing spot.

457
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: To Yeah, I think I think that the ADP is

458
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,479
Speaker 2: probably gonna drop a bit. I think it ends up

459
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: being closer to RB twenty so I have him right

460
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: around there like RB twenty two to RB twenty four,

461
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: not exactly like Bucky. Everyone's trying to find this year's Bucky.

462
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: We already talked about last year's Bucky Irving. This is

463
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: sort of a similar situation.

464
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where.

465
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: You know, people might project nausea to start this season,

466
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 2: but I just don't see it. If anything, it's just

467
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, a sort of a fifty

468
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 2: to fifty committee to start. Where we mentioned it, like

469
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: he was assumed to go to like Denver or possibly

470
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 2: Dallas where he had no competition. Say what you will,

471
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: you will about Najie Harris, but he is competition. So

472
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 2: that's why I think Adp is going to drop a bit,

473
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking he ends up being closer to RB twenty,

474
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: which is kind of where I happened right now.

475
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: And he could just put up and have a similar

476
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: role to Dobbins last year. You know how Dobbins he's

477
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, they were a run heavy team, but Dobbins

478
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 3: took that clear lead back role and you still had

479
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 3: even when Gus Edwards was healthy, Gus Edwards would still

480
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 3: get his you know what, six to ten carries, but

481
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: Dobbins was kind of that clear guy and he would

482
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 3: he would get the more explosive runs. The only thing

483
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 3: was sometimes he wouldn't get all.

484
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 4: The goal line work. I can't see why Hampton wouldn't.

485
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, it could just be a similar thing to

486
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 3: Dobbins and that would still be you know, RB borderline

487
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: RB one for Hampton. So not too worried, but I

488
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: agree it's not the ideal ning spot compared to some

489
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: of the potential spots like Dallas or Denver. Traveon Henderson

490
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: he's another guy going super high and best RB seventeen.

491
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 3: He lands with the New England Patriots early in around

492
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: two Now.

493
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 4: They I think they did a really good job kind

494
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 4: of building around Drake May here.

495
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on on Henderson in the

496
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: landing spot.

497
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so just.

498
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 2: First of all, it's it's a huge blow to Ramandre Stevenson.

499
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: This is some serious competition and you know it's a

500
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: new coaching regime under Mike Brabel, so they likely view

501
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: Travon as, you know, their guy, and you know Ramandre

502
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: had that multi year deal. But he's still lost snaps

503
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: to Antonio Gibson last year. Wasn't there like a few

504
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: times where he was essentially benched for Gibson. So he

505
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: had a rough season last year. Not a big threat

506
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: to Henderson, I think similar you know, to the Chargers situation,

507
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: this could be more of a committee to start. But

508
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: I love Henderson. I think, you know, he's built for

509
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: like a three down role. He's explosive, has big play

510
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: up side. I think of as like an Aaron Jones type.

511
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: So even if he's part of a committee early on,

512
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: he could still be fancy relevant. I don't think he

513
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: really needs twenty plus touches to put up numbers. So

514
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: even if he's in a committee to start, you know,

515
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: he could be fancy viable. But I think over time,

516
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, the plan would be for him to overtake

517
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: this backfield, so he's he's running back.

518
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be drafting him.

519
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: RB seventeen necessarily based on this landing spot, but certainly,

520
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: you know, like a low end RB two with upside.

521
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of where he's going to settle in.

522
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I could see him being the offensive focal

523
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: point from day one. Because if you look at I

524
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: mean Stefan Diggs, he's in his you know, early thirties,

525
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: is coming off serious injury he's been He's more of

526
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: like or at least could settle in as a glorified

527
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: like slot possession guy at this point, Like you know,

528
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 3: I think it was the last couple of years he's

529
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: been around like ten ten and a half eleven yards

530
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: per catch. And then I mean you got Matt Hollis

531
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: run blocker, the Mario Douglas gigs might end up in

532
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: the Douglas Road Douga. They didn't like playing Douglas in

533
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: a lot of like, uh, most of the other personnel

534
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 3: outside are you know, one one.

535
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: So I could see Henderson just being that guy they

536
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: kind of you know, get.

537
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: The product, get the ball to each and every week.

538
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm not I'm not too worried about having

539
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: RB seventeen is kind of drafting him close to his ceiling,

540
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: if not at it. But I agree, I think he's

541
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: still in that RB two mix because way Stevenson played

542
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: last year, I mean, you know, like you said bench

543
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: multiple times, couldn't really stick out on an offense that

544
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: didn't have many playmakers. The writings kind of on the

545
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: wall for Stevenson.

546
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: Uh r J.

547
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 3: Harvey that this is an interesting one. So Denver does

548
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: get their back, they go Harvey. Uh And he is

549
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: a guy, you know, being drafted in the forties. You know,

550
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: he's he's kind of way down there compared to some

551
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: of these other backs, at least in in best ball,

552
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 3: he's ends up being the fifth back off the board.

553
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about the Browns yet, but you are

554
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: Harvey at uc F five eight two o five but

555
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: has some intriguing kind of juice to him, and I

556
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: think he's talented enough to win this Denver job from

557
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: day one as well, even though it's it's not like

558
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: a blue chip prospect. What are your thoughts on Harvey

559
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: because I really like him personally.

560
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: As Yeah, I agree with you.

561
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the best landing spots

562
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: and one of the biggest winners from the draft in

563
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: terms of landing spots, so I think his ADP is

564
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: definitely going to shoot up. You can tell a lot

565
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: of experts love him, love this spot, you know, going

566
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: in round two to Denver especially, it was a huge boost.

567
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: Draft capital does matter in the situation, and the Broncos

568
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: backfield is wide open, so he'll be competing with Juli

569
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: McLachlan Arodric Estime. It seemed like Estimate was in chem

570
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: Payn's doghouse at times last year. I know you took

571
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: advantage of that a few times with your you know,

572
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: well Javonte unders but also the Tyler bidet you know,

573
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: random onto two game stretch where he was the lead back.

574
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: So Peyton loves going at the hot hand. Seems like

575
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: this could be his guy, and he sees a lot

576
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: in Harvey and you know, Denver they targeted the running

577
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: backs a ton. They had the fourth most targets two

578
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: backs last year, and that Harvey flashed that skill set

579
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: at UCF. He's pass catching back, fully capable of being

580
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: you know, three down back, but he's definitely a pass

581
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: catching back and he's a smaller one. But he does

582
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: remind me a ton of Chase Brown, who we saw,

583
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: you know, last year, given the situation, he was able

584
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: to handle a full workload and was like a top

585
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: five running back. So I think he's capable of, you know,

586
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: being like a trace Chase Brown from last year if

587
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: they need him to be. But yeah, this is one

588
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: of those spots where his drafts, his stock went up

589
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: a ton just based on where he went in the draft.

590
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, estimate day three pick. McLaughlin undrafted day day three pick.

591
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: So you know, talent wise, this is only the fourth

592
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 3: time a Sean Payton coached team has drafted a running

593
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: back before Day three. The other three guys Reggie Bush,

594
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: mark Ingram Alvin Kamara. So all pretty good, all pretty good,

595
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: and an all guy at least about I think it's

596
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: thirteen touches per game in their rookie years. So usually

597
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: when a Sean Payton team, you know, breaks the bank

598
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: for a running back and then uses high draft capital,

599
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: they're gonna use them from the jump. So yeah, I

600
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: think Harvey's stock is just exploded. And I think he's

601
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: a really good player too. This this kind of is

602
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: why you saw teams, you know, or you saw analysts say,

603
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, this is a deep running back draft because

604
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: you could get a guy like him in round two

605
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: and I don't even know if a lot of people

606
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: had him going this high. So yeah, I love him.

607
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: I think he might end up being a top top

608
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: twenty four back, you know, right off the jump, right

609
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: from week one. Another guy has that potential went a

610
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: little bit later, but Caleb Johnson goes to the Steelers.

611
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: He was being drafted as the RB twenty six already,

612
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: so people kind of expected him to land it in

613
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: a pretty good spot.

614
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on him?

615
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: You still got Jalen Warren there in Pittsburgh as well.

616
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this is a great landing spot. Before

617
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: the draft, I had him pegged as like Naje Hairs

618
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: two point zero. So it's kind of fitting that he

619
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: goes to the Steelers who are looking for a nausea replacement.

620
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: But you know, just watching his Iowa tape in the

621
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: Black and Gold, it just he looked like Naje Hairs

622
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: out there, and you know Toman's already talking him up,

623
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: talking about how he can handle bigger workloads. And more importantly,

624
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: he highlighted something I noticed with Caleb in colleges. He

625
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: ran into stack boxes constantly. Over just over fifty percent

626
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: of his carries came against eight or more defenders in

627
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: the box. So those are NFL you know, level defenses

628
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: that he's facing, which was most of the class by far.

629
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: The next closest was just thirty nine percent. So you know,

630
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: Toman took note of that. He kind of sees him

631
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: as a workhorse back. So this could be a kind

632
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: of a blow to Jalen Warren stock, who I was

633
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: high on entering the season. He's finally going to get

634
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 2: his chance to be the lead back, but maybe they

635
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: have other plans and Caleb Johnson kind of does fit

636
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: that Najia Harris build, So this could be more of

637
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: the same with the Steelers, where you know, Caleb Johnson

638
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: is handling the early down work and Warren's mixing in.

639
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: But we'll see.

640
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: I still think Jalen Warren could pop as an RB

641
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: two this year, but this is definitely a situation I'm

642
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: getting moditorting closely, and yeah, I love I love Caleb Johnson,

643
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: you know, right around that RB three flex range right now.

644
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, writings on the wall. I think that they don't

645
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: see Warren as that like. I think they are happy

646
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: to kind of use him in a similar role that

647
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: they've used him these.

648
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: Past few years.

649
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's never kind of made that jump, and

650
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: when he has, I think he had like a goal

651
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: line fumble and things like that. He just never really

652
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: wrestled that job away either to and giving him confidence.

653
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: So I don't think they would have taken a back

654
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: this high even if they if they felt about Warren

655
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: as a as a lead back. So yeah, I think

656
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Johnson here, and then I

657
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: guess the other the other guys we should definitely talk about.

658
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: Cleveland goes with the pen Shawn Judkins at over Traveon

659
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: Henderson even uh back out of Ohio State in the.

660
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: Early second round.

661
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: They also take another running back a little later in

662
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: Dylan Samson out of Tennessee in the fourth round. But

663
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: in Jukins, I mean maybe they maybe they feel like

664
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: they found their their Nick Trubb replacement, but then they

665
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: do double up. Ford is still there. So what are

666
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: your thoughts on on Kinshawn Uh in year one?

667
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that he, you know, is the favorite

668
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: to be the lead back obviously, you know, Jerome Ford

669
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: is still there. Uh more of a bigger back where

670
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be the goal line back right away.

671
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: But that could be a problem for the Browns, who again,

672
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: their team win totals is five and a half, so

673
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: it's probably not on offense. It's not gonna be setting

674
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: up Judkins for you know, a ton of easy touchdown

675
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: so you know, kind of a rough landing spot there.

676
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: And Samson, you know, adding him as well. He's talented,

677
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, more of a big play threat, maybe handle

678
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: more of the passing down work. So it could be

679
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: sort of a murky committee. But again, like Judkins is

680
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: kind of a goal line back, big bruiser type, so

681
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: don't love the landing spot. But again he's probably going

682
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: to be the lead back, so this is a wide

683
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: open backfield. He could offer RB two value. It's just

684
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: this current version of the Browns. I don't know if

685
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: he's going to score a ton of points, which I think,

686
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: you know, he's going to cap his upside somewhat.

687
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he has that explosive lower body. He

688
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: tested really well. I think it was what the broad jump,

689
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: the ten yard, the vert so you know, I do

690
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: think they kind of saw some some chub in him

691
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: and that's that's why they took him where they did.

692
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: But to your point, they in terms of a game

693
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: script perspective, it's not looking great for the for the Browns.

694
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: But still I think definitely something a monitor in camp

695
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: because like I said, I think think he could he

696
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: could be that that that lead back for them. And

697
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: you know, maybe Jerome Ford's just not even in the conversation.

698
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: Maybe it's maybe they go forward with other guys and

699
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: they you know, there's still a couple of teams that

700
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: maybe could deal for a running back like Ford or

701
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: like ETN and Jacksonville. So we'll see how that goes.

702
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: And then yeah, Tuton mentioned him. I really like him

703
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: as a player going to Jacksonville. I keep an eye

704
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: on him just because, like I said, I don't know

705
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: if they're sold on et N.

706
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Scatabo going to the Giants?

707
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: So he was the guy to be.

708
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: Drafted into just inside the top thirty two in bastball,

709
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: and it's not that Giants backwards, not exactly. Uh, you know,

710
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: settled with the Tyrone Tracy at the top and you

711
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: know Singletary having a rough year last year.

712
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: What do you think of Scatabo?

713
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Scattabo's like fun to watch. I think he's going

714
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: to become a fan favorite real quick. Uh. He runs angry, uh,

715
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: and you know he's just an elite you.

716
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: Know, tackle breaker.

717
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: He has really good contact balance here reminds me a

718
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: ton of James Connor, maybe even like Tyler Algier, like

719
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: one of those types of running backs. So I think

720
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: he's going to earn reps as we go through the season.

721
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: And not to take everything away from Tyron Tracy. Tracy

722
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: was really good at times last year. He obviously dealt

723
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: with those you know, fumbling issues.

724
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: I think he had.

725
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: Five last year, but he was, you know, a former

726
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: wide receiver converting to running backs, so expected some growing pains.

727
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: So you know, I think Tracy will probably start off

728
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: as lead back, but Skattaboo is definitely gonna make some

729
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: noise and I think the Giants fan base will love him,

730
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: so you know, he could be kind of a second

731
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: half guy here where he's just gonna kind of earn

732
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: reps as the season goes. But he's very fun to

733
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: watch and I think, you know, this is a pretty

734
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: good landing spot for him as well.

735
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just at times it seems like they didn't

736
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: trust Tracy last year as good as he would play,

737
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 3: and so I wouldn't even be surprised if Skataboo from

738
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: week one was the weed back in Tracy was more

739
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: like that change of pace, which is maybe he's kind

740
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: of built for long term in the NFL anyway. So yeah, yeah,

741
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: I think another guy to watch, And I know another

742
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: guy you had your iron was Jayden Blue in you know,

743
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: being taken by the Cowboys later on in the draft.

744
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: Everyone expected him, I think, to go running back early.

745
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: They ended up getting Blue out of Texas in the

746
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: middle of the fifth round.

747
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: Thoughts on him, Yeah, everyone's trying to figure out this

748
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: year is Bucky Irving.

749
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: I think this guy might be the closest.

750
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: Version to it, just just based on the process I

751
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: came to with Bucky last year was you know, he

752
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: ended up on a wide open deut chart first of all,

753
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 2: so you know, he's got to compete with Javonte Williams,

754
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: who you especially, you know, faded him a ton last year.

755
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: He's probably washed at this point, Miles Sanders. You know,

756
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: he's in the later part of his career. So Blue

757
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: could takeovers lead back for the Cowboys. He's great athlete,

758
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: he's fast, he's you know, home run three, also a

759
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: good pass catching back, so he could do it all.

760
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: He's a little bit undersized, and he didn't really have

761
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: a workhorse role at Texas, but he was playing behind

762
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: Bijon Robinson, then behind Jonathan Brooks, and then last year

763
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: was his chance and he suffered an ankle injury. He

764
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: was dealing with an ankle injury, you know, pretty much

765
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: all season, so he didn't you know, have a massive workload.

766
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: But I think he could do it. At the next

767
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: level and could be kind of like a Tony Pollard

768
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: in Dallas type of running back. So if there's anybody

769
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: I think that could be more of a Bucky Irving type,

770
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: really under the radar guy in a great spot, it

771
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: would be Jaden Blue this year.

772
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you do you think he would get

773
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: goal line work?

774
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: Because that's the when I think about, all right, what

775
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: would Williams actually do if he made a roster I

776
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: mean besides pass down?

777
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: I guess it could be go on because I know

778
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: Blues would.

779
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: Do you think Blue would like lose goal line reps

780
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: if he was the lead back or because they did

781
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: They were doing that last year with Daudo even where

782
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Zeke was still getting goal on work until the latter

783
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: of the season.

784
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

785
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely something I could see happening. I mean,

786
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: wasn't Bucky Irving eventually handing handling goal line work to

787
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: the He and Buckier are the same exact size, so

788
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: if he's playing well like Bucky was last year, they

789
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 2: might say, hey, just give him the goal line work too,

790
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: So I could see that happening. But yeah, I think

791
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: from the get go I wouldn't be shocked if it

792
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: is Juvante from the start, because he does profile as

793
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: a bigger back. I mean, he's twenty pounds heavier than Blue.

794
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where it could just

795
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 2: be more of a hot hand thing where if Blue

796
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: takes over, Now this is I'm just you know, this

797
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: is a dart throw.

798
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Blue is going to take over as

799
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: lead back.

800
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: But if he does become, you know, the Cowboys lead back,

801
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: I could see them when they get down to the

802
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: one yard line just leaving him in there.

803
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: So there's that outcome as well.

804
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: But again, this is just a backfield where you know,

805
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: there's not much in his way. So if he is

806
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: playing well, I think he could play every every single

807
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: role in this in this backfield was.

808
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: To a wide receiver.

809
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: Let's start with Travis Hunter and go he goes one

810
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 3: oh two to the Jags who.

811
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: Trade up with Cleveland.

812
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: He's being drafted as the wide receiver thirty five in

813
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: Best Bowl. Uh does he swat in immediately as this

814
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: number two receiver for the Jags? And how much like

815
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: what's his snap rate going to be?

816
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: You think?

817
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: Given that he's also probably going to play some type

818
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: of a role at cornerback.

819
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you if we could set

820
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: like a routes run like average routes run rate for

821
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: the season what you had said it out. That's that's

822
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: really the biggest question with him, and it does sound

823
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: like they want him to focus on receiver at least initially.

824
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: That's probably where he should be, you know, full time

825
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: wide receiver lined up across from Brian Thomas Junior and

826
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: then play cornerback as well.

827
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: And it's it's worth noting.

828
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: At Colorado, I think he was mainly you know, in

829
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: the cornerback room preparing as a defensive player. So this

830
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: might be the first time he gets you know, full time,

831
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, sitting there in the film room and everything

832
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: pairing as a receiver. So the sky's limit with him there.

833
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm guessing like it'd be like an eighty percent routes

834
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: run rate, save him a little bit for defense, but

835
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: this is something we're obviously goingt to monitor. But if

836
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: you're drafting in fantasy, you don't want him messing around

837
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: too much on the defensive side of the ball, because again,

838
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: it probably would take away from his offensive snaps and

839
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: it just exposes him to more injury risk. The more

840
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: snaps he's playing on defense, Unfortunately, it's just going to

841
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: expose him to potentially, you know, getting injury and missing

842
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 2: time in general. So hopefully they just use him full

843
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: time as a receiver and then he can mix in

844
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: on defense where they see fit, and we'll have to

845
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: kind of see. I think they they took him second

846
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: overall because they do plan on using him both ways.

847
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: But I think initially I don't know what you're going

848
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: to be projecting that, but I'm thinking like an eighty

849
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: percent routes run right, sounds about right.

850
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking somewhere in that sixty five to

851
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: eighty five range probably would have well maybe in this

852
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: probably seventy five. I just start I think a little

853
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: conserve seventy seventy.

854
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: Five just because.

855
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: You could see them, you know, kind of all right,

856
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: taking him out maybe on some early downs because you

857
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: got like Diami Brown, you still got Gabe Davis there

858
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: obviously Thomas, so you got some other big body guys

859
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: that maybe you take him out. But I mean the

860
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: target there's just a lot of targets up for grabs

861
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: after Thomas because you didn't bring back Evan Ingram and

862
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: then Christian Kirk has gone as well, so most of

863
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: these other guys are just you know, kind of windsprint guys.

864
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: Diami, Greave Davis.

865
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 3: I don't think Parker Washington's gonna get as many reps

866
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: even be a factor now that that Hunter's here. So yeah,

867
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 3: it's it's an intriguing spot for sure, But I really

868
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 3: have to get a better sense of exactly what they envision.

869
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm guessing.

870
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: I'm guessing he should be around a seventy seventy five

871
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: at least percent player if they want to kind of

872
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: get the most out of that draft slot.

873
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds fair, and I can't wait to bet

874
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: on his receptions plus tackle prop right hopefully hopefully we

875
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: have a market for that the first time ever, you know,

876
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: combined combining the two markets. Can't wait for that, that potential.

877
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: But he, I mean, he is a true Unicorn player.

878
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: So this is going to be just fascinating to see

879
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: and project during the season.

880
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: Right.

881
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: Ted McMillon goes eighth overall to the Carolina Panthers. A

882
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: lot of chatter that they wanted to trade out of

883
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: this pick. They end up staying put and taking McMillen

884
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: out of Arizona. Uh, you know, they did have an

885
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: opening here at pass Catcher, but somewhat some people thought

886
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: it was a little surprising.

887
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on on the landing spot for McMillan.

888
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I personally loved it because it helped my

889
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: jail and Walker over eight and a half draft position

890
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: bet hit. But yeah, I thought this is a good,

891
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: really good landing spot for him because I thought he

892
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: was going to go to the Cowboys and be sort of,

893
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, second fiddle across from Ceedee Lamb. So landing

894
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: with the Panthers means that he has every shot to be,

895
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, the guy in this offense, the number one

896
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: on target in year one. So this is also just

897
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: a big voter confidence for Bryce Young, who you know,

898
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: at times last year looked like he's gonna be out

899
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: of a job. But that second half of the season,

900
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, we started to see that Bryce Young we

901
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: thought he could be.

902
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: So this is.

903
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: A really good voter confidence for him, giving him a

904
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: weapon like McMillan, who's kind of a you know, a

905
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: polarizing prospect.

906
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy.

907
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: He can win downfield, probably better than expected after the

908
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: catchability I've seen people compare him to Drake London, which

909
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: may or may not be fair. I see kind of

910
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: like Kenny Galladay and him where you know, it might

911
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: be the Lions version, the really good version, or who knows,

912
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: the Giants version that's you know, more of a bust.

913
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: He's kind of like could go either way. I think

914
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: he's more likely to be the Lions version of Kenny Galladay.

915
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: But I think he's a great fit for you know,

916
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 2: Bryce Young. But how do you think like he'll fit

917
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: in with Bryce Young and Bryce Young's playing style. Is

918
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: he going to take them some time to get some

919
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: chemistry or do you think they'll they'll click from like

920
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: day one.

921
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: More or less he's he'll be They'll be fine.

922
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: I didn't even love the fit for him going to

923
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: Carolina just because I would have liked them just based

924
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: on their their current uh you know, skill position depth chart.

925
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: To go with the guy with a little bit more speed,

926
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: a guy that you know is gonna kind of cheap

927
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators up at night. I thought the other two

928
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: wide receivers that went in the first round, but really

929
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: and really the three three of the next four you know,

930
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: had a little more speed and quickness. I just thought

931
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: that would have been maybe a better fit for Carolina.

932
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: I mean, because you do have a feeling you have

933
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: au get, you have tremble at tight end with Stavian Sanders,

934
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: but you don't really have that that that that guy

935
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: that's just you know, kind of gonna do it with

936
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: straight up quickness and speed.

937
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: And that's the one thing I think.

938
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: You know a lot of times teams like that your

939
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: offense against certain opponents, if they're athletic defenses, you could

940
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: just even if it's your talented you could still kind

941
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: of bog down there. So I didn't love it from

942
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: that angle, but from a fantasy landing spot, yeah, he

943
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: could slot in as their number one receiver almost immediately.

944
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: I Mean Adam deeln kind of still had some stuff

945
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: left in the tank last year.

946
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: So maybe he doesn't, you know, go away quite that easy.

947
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: But and you do have now two other first round

948
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: talents with Lagett and McMillan.

949
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: Both projected to start.

950
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think McMillan can outplay Levett from the jump,

951
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: and I think it was a very good landing spot

952
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: just considering, like you said, the alternatives. Uh, speaking of Abuca,

953
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, another guy has has some juice, goes to

954
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay.

955
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 4: That was a surprise pick. He goes at nineteen.

956
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: Out of Ohio State, goes ahead of Golden. Tampa Bay

957
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: probably didn't need to go wide receiver this early. They

958
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: must have really liked the player here because they also

959
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: went again went with him over Golden, who a lot

960
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 3: of people had ranked higher.

961
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 4: So, you know, I guess for this year. You see,

962
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 4: because he's.

963
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: Going wide receiver forty three in Best Ball, kind of

964
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: in that spot where you kind of take these first

965
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 3: round wide receivers.

966
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 4: But you know, there are some kind of.

967
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: Question marks about you know, is it gonna be more

968
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 3: of like a McMillan type thing where he starts slow

969
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: but still ends hot.

970
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: Is he gonna is does the pick?

971
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: Does the Draft Capital kind of say, hey, we just

972
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: love this guy and we're gonna give him a role

973
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: from the start, Like what are you see in there?

974
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is definitely a surprise because most people expecting

975
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: them to just pick a defensive player. They didn't really

976
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: have a need to draft a wide receiver right now.

977
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: But he he is probably you know, the safest wide

978
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: receiver prospect in the draft. You know, he's really polished,

979
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: QB friendly, high floor guy right out of the gate,

980
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 2: you know, think you know, like Ama and Ross, Saint Brown,

981
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba. Probably a lower ceiling than both

982
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: those receivers, but similar style.

983
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: But the problem is just year.

984
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: One, like you alluded to, I don't I don't know

985
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: how he's going to command targets over you know, Mike Evans.

986
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin.

987
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if Godwin's gonna be ready by week one.

988
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: Maybe this is a sign that they don't think he is.

989
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: And McMillan, who really flashed at the end of last year.

990
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: If anything, this is just a huge blow to McMillan,

991
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: who I was I was excited to see him in

992
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: year two, but this this really hurts McMillan's stock if

993
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, sou Buka, this isn't a great landing

994
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: spot for year one, but maybe down the road this

995
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: ends up being a great landing spot for him. If

996
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: you know, Evans retires in a couple of years and

997
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: they move on from Chris Godwin, could be a great

998
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: landing spot for him. So it could be similar to

999
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: this is a lot like when you know the Cowboys

1000
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: took Ceedee Lamb when they already had him Aark Cooper,

1001
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup or Jackson Smith Najigba a couple of years ago,

1002
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: when Seahawks already had DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. Sometimes

1003
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: you just want to keep adding receivers when you have

1004
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: the right guy. So I think maybe his ceiling's a

1005
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: bit capped for his rookie season, but year two, three

1006
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: and beyond, you know, he could end up being, you know,

1007
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: the top guy in this offense. So it's definitely gonna

1008
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: make this a murky situation to project. But if there's

1009
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: a winner, it's Baker Mayfield because he gets another weapon

1010
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: to throw to. And it's kind of injury insurance, right,

1011
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin as time at the

1012
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: same time last year. So having a guy like Muca

1013
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: there kind of helps the drop off. So Baker is

1014
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: always going to have you know, two to three solid

1015
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: receivers at all times. So this is just a great, great,

1016
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: great pick for Baker Mayfield stock this year as well.

1017
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Godwin would be the guy I think I'm

1018
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: concerned about, you know, just based on the seriousness of

1019
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: the injury, you know, he's now, you know, past that

1020
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 3: peak age's I think he's going to be twenty nine.

1021
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: So and just because the draft capital for Mukah's, I

1022
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: mean he he should be a contributor from day one,

1023
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: So god would be kind of the guy I circle

1024
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: and say, maybe they don't think he's going to contribute

1025
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 3: as much as you would you would otherwise think so. So,

1026
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: I mean Buka could end up being a top A

1027
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: wide receiver three as soon as this year. I mean,

1028
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: he definitely has the talent, and that offense was just

1029
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: so powerful that just by being on that offense, I mean,

1030
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: Baker was playing so well, and you mentioned Evan's getting

1031
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 3: a little older. But yeah, I'm kind of I'm really

1032
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: gonna watch god Win in his status because you might

1033
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: just end up having guy when is the guy with

1034
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: like a lost season And this is.

1035
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 4: Not issue from Buka.

1036
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden goes twenty third to the Packers. They also draft,

1037
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: saving Williams in the third, but I mean Golden, the

1038
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: fact that they were willing to take him here and

1039
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: he did kind of slip down the border bit so

1040
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: maybe had something to do with value too, But I

1041
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: mean not great news for you know, the other glut

1042
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: of received young receivers on their roster.

1043
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 4: But what are your thoughts?

1044
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: First of all, just Golden and where he Swatson in

1045
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: this depth chart among you know, Red, I know Watson's hurt,

1046
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: but you also have Dobbs there and then Wicks.

1047
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean on the surface that this looks

1048
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: like a rough landing spot just considering how many receivers

1049
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: they have. But this is a rare time where the

1050
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Packers spent first round draft capital on a receiver, so

1051
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: they obviously think highly of them. And when you break

1052
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: it down, you know, like Jaden Reid, he's solid, but

1053
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: his playing time's always limited. He's more of just a

1054
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: slot guy. Romeo Dobbs is good, but you know, not

1055
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: like a first round talent kind of Guydaltavian Wick solid backup,

1056
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: but you know that's about it. Maybe Bo Melton will

1057
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: pop up. Everyone saw. But Christian Watson, you know, he

1058
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: might miss most of the season. He tore his ACL

1059
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: in what January? So this might not be as crowded

1060
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: as we think. And again they used first round draft

1061
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: capital on he could absolutely be, you know, their top

1062
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: receiver from day one. I think he has the talent

1063
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: for it. You know, he's you know, fast receiver, really polished.

1064
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: I've seen comps to like Stefan Diggs, which I think

1065
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: is is fair for Golden, So I think this could

1066
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: be a sneaky spot from the Only thing is, you know,

1067
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: the Packers are more run heavy team with Josh Josh

1068
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: Jacobs and Love does tend to spread the ball around.

1069
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: But I think Golden could you know, take this passing

1070
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: attack to the next level. So I think this is

1071
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: a good pick and a sneaky, good landing spot for him.

1072
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: I think initially I was like, ah, that kind of sucks,

1073
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: but the more I looked into it, the more I

1074
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: like it. So he could absolutely pop is like a

1075
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: you know, wide receiver three this year. So I kind

1076
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: of like this landing spot for Golden.

1077
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think, you know, Watson kind

1078
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: of probably not being much of a factor early on.

1079
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: Do the injury kind of clears it up a little bit,

1080
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: But I agree, I think good player and nice value

1081
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: here and could has a pass to be in that

1082
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: number one right off the back, because even Jaden, you know,

1083
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: Red kind of faded. He had a big first half

1084
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 3: of the year, but then he was so inconsistent down

1085
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 3: the stretch and you know, so maybe that that played

1086
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: a role as well. The other guy I really want

1087
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: to talk about wire receivers, Luther Burden, the third he

1088
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: goes early second to the Bears. They that's a second

1089
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: pass catcher they take out of missou Here what the.

1090
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 4: Wide receiver who? You know? I think he could be

1091
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: a factor right from day one? What are your thoughts

1092
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 4: on Burden here?

1093
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely you know, first round talent. Maybe he

1094
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: slid around two because there were some questions like around

1095
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: his work ethic, but obviously very talented. And this this

1096
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: is a good landing spot because it is, you know, offense.

1097
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: On the rise.

1098
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: Kate Williams could take a year or two leap. Obviously,

1099
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: they bring in you know Ben Johnson, you know, an

1100
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: offensive genius, so he could really turn this offense around.

1101
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: And Burden's like a dynamic playmaker. So he's kind of

1102
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: like a DJ Moore, Deebo Samuel type stylistically.

1103
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: So I think he has a ton of upside.

1104
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: But the question is, and I want to hear your

1105
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: thought of projecting this offense now, because they also took

1106
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: you know, tight end Colson Lovelin, with pick number ten,

1107
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: so they have Cole Comett on the team.

1108
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking they're going to run.

1109
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: More two tight end sets, which you know, if you

1110
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: have two wide receiver sets, it's probably gonna be DJ

1111
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: more and Roma Doonsay most of the time. So Burden's

1112
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: playing time might be capped a bit. So it's just

1113
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: going to be tricky to project him for too many

1114
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: snaps if that's the case. So kind of how are

1115
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: you thinking about this Bears offense and like how they're

1116
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: going to use the two tight ends and if Burden's

1117
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: going to be in you know, I would say like

1118
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: sixty percent routes run rate.

1119
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna be over under that?

1120
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: I think will be over I think listen, I think

1121
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson came in and he just wants to get

1122
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: some more of his guys, and they had the luxury

1123
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: to do it. So I mean there's even a chance,

1124
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Burden was the first round talent to a

1125
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 3: lot of people, right, there's even a chance that he

1126
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 3: ends up kind of earning just as many or more

1127
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: targets than a guy like a Dooonsay who had the

1128
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: high draft cud agree, but him and calebstruggled at time

1129
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: to get on the same page. And uh, you know,

1130
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: Burden has some some some different tools than a Doomsday,

1131
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, I would say just because it's

1132
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: a new regime, I would I would monitor that very closely.

1133
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: But it's not out of the question that Burden is

1134
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: the number two target on that team, right, I mean

1135
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: in in you know Loveland, I think he's probably he

1136
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: probably overtakes co Commit, who was just a non factor

1137
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: in the past game even last year. With Caleb Williams,

1138
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's you know, maybe just a

1139
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: chemistry thing with them or what, but uh yeah, I

1140
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: would I'm not too concerned with either of them. And

1141
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: I think, uh there might even be a little concern

1142
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: with the doonesday just because of how much they're continuing

1143
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: to kind of hammer these skill positions. So uh yeah,

1144
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: that's how I'm kind of looking at it. I like

1145
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: Burden as a prospect. I think I think he has

1146
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: a lot of upside and this is you know, Ben

1147
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: Johnson kind of coming in and getting his guys.

1148
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: This is also good news for Caleb Williams, Like, yes,

1149
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: if he if he doesn't break up two, I don't

1150
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: know what more we could do for him, but he

1151
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: has a ton of weapons going into this year and

1152
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, a better offensive mining coach.

1153
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and better on lying too, So yeah, good, good,

1154
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: good situation for Caleb. Any other wide receivers we want

1155
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 3: to talk about. Besh goes around two to the Raiders.

1156
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: I remember, like Kyle Williams went round three to the Patriots.

1157
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: I think he has a chance to start from day one.

1158
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: Anyone else on your right.

1159
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: I think we're on the same page. Kyler Williams is

1160
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: being a potential sleeper going to the Patriots because love

1161
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 2: that landing spot with you know, Drake may on the rise,

1162
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: potentially making a year or two leap. Diggs might not

1163
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: even be ready for week one. We'll have to kind

1164
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: of monitor that. But after Diggs, the targets are wide open.

1165
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: I remember projecting him at the end of last year

1166
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: as a shit show, and you know, Jalen Polk it

1167
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: was kind of a bust.

1168
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: So Kyle Williams.

1169
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: Could absolutely be, you know, the number two receiver, even

1170
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: number one if Digs isn't healthier. You know how he

1171
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: looks when he comes back, So yeah, I love the

1172
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: landing spot for Kyle Williams.

1173
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: He could be a sleeper this year.

1174
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: And one of the guys, Trey Harris. He goes in

1175
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: the second to the Chargers, and he's a He's a

1176
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: guy who profiles as a man beater out of Ole

1177
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: Miss and that's they were sorely lacking in that type

1178
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: of player last year. So I know Mike Williams is

1179
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 3: there and Johnston Johnston is there, but I could see

1180
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: Harris beating both of those guys out just based on

1181
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: the tape that they put on the.

1182
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: On the field recently.

1183
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: So he's another guy to watch because that team really

1184
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: needs a player like him to compliment McConkey, yep, all right, yeah,

1185
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: mentioned what let's go to titand mentioned Loveland. He goes

1186
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: to the Bears. Now he's going off the board twelve

1187
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 3: as a tight end twelve in beast Ball. And then

1188
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: Tyra Warren goes to the Colts. He is going off

1189
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: the board as the tight end seven. But I mean,

1190
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 3: just looking at the quarterback situations in these two spots,

1191
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: couldn't it be you have make an argument it.

1192
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 4: Could be reversed.

1193
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm not even making an argument. I agree with that.

1194
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Loveland has the higher ceiling as a rookie.

1195
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't too shocked that he went tenth.

1196
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: Overall, if the Bears are just picking their favorite tight end,

1197
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: you can't fault them for you know, taking level in there.

1198
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: So I know there's a lot of like controversy around there.

1199
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't get that because he is a

1200
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: solid pass catching tight end. He's also a good blocker too.

1201
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: He can he can do it all. But you know,

1202
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson probably sees Sam Laporta in him and wants him,

1203
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, as a focal point in offense from year one.

1204
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 2: So love the landing spot watching him, I just kept thinking,

1205
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham. He winds me Jimmy Graham when he was

1206
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: on the you know, the Saints. So I think he's

1207
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: just uber talented and could have one of those, you know,

1208
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta Dalton Kincaid type rookie seasons that we've been

1209
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: at brock Bauers, even that we've been accustomed to these

1210
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: past couple of seasons, I think he's.

1211
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: Gonna hit the ground running.

1212
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 2: Cole Comet does scare me a bit, like that's gonna

1213
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: be interesting and project, But that was kind of the

1214
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: same problem that Brock Bauers had last year, going you know,

1215
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: to the Raiders with Michael Mayer already there. So I

1216
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: just think Ben Johnson sees you know, Sam Laporta part

1217
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: two with Loveland, So yeah, I think I would be

1218
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: drafting him over Tyler Warren, who probably has a higher

1219
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: floor in your one. But we're you know, we're here

1220
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: to win fans football championships, not finished, you know, third,

1221
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: So give me the guy with the highest upside, which

1222
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: is Colson Loveland.

1223
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the one other guy I'll mention. It's more

1224
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: of a best ball thing. But Mason Taylor goes to

1225
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: the Jets. He's being drafted a tight end thirty one,

1226
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: but he could be a Day one starter, And all

1227
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're looking at a Jets team with,

1228
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, after Garrett Wilson at wide receiver, it's it's

1229
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: Reynolds and Lazard.

1230
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: There's really nothing there at tight end.

1231
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess he signed Stone Smart to the minimum,

1232
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: but you're even talking about Breeze Hall is potentially be

1233
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: like on the out, so we don't know exactly what's

1234
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: going on there. So I mean there's a chance Taylor

1235
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: could be that number two or number three target for

1236
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: the Jets.

1237
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 4: I know the quarterback situation isn't great, but.

1238
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: Any thoughts on him just given the landing spot with

1239
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: the lack of competition on the depth charge.

1240
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you that I love this landing spot.

1241
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: You know, watching him, he gives me like Mark Andrews

1242
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz vibes, very capable pass catching tight end and

1243
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: he he should be the guy from day one. This

1244
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: is an excellent landing spot. Tyler Conklin's now in the Chargers,

1245
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 2: so very little competition here.

1246
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, love this landing spot.

1247
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: I guess the only catch here is, you know, the

1248
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: quarterback situation is a little bit to be desired with

1249
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: you know, Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor. But still like

1250
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: they drafted him to probably start week one, and I

1251
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: think he has the skill set, the pass catching chops

1252
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: to be a legit, you know, fancy asset. I don't

1253
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: know if he's gonna be a tight end one as

1254
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: a rookie, but definitely somebody a monitor and target and

1255
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: best ball.

1256
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's what I'm kind of thinking to He might

1257
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: just be one of those like unsexy, free like tight

1258
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: end threes. That just kind of like makes makes or

1259
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: makes a lot of people's rosters because it's just.

1260
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 4: Like an as an afterthought.

1261
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: So I thought I mentioned him, but I like that

1262
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,360
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