WEBVTT - Shaq on his MVP Beef, Inside the NBA and Being the Most Dominant 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.680 Welcome to Point Game with John Wall and CJ Toldonno 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.760 presented by DraftKings. Don't forget DraftKings is your home for 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:16.800 all the action across the NBA and gets too close 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.680 to the game. We all love. The Crown is yours guys. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.840 Special episode. I'm gonna bring on our guests right now 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.360 because he is maybe my favorite person of all time. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.840 On today's episode, we were joined by four time NBA champ, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.640 three times Finals MVP, fifteen time all start the Big 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:39.400 Aristotle himself, Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquille O'Neill on Point Game. Shaquille, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.040 how you doing man? 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.920 First of all, CJ, that guy did a radio voice 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:43.720 when you talking to me. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.600 I just I don't usually talk like this. I'm like 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.400 Shack is on. I think I have to, like felt, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:52.479 what's going on? 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:53.120 What's up? 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:53.880 John Wall? 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.040 So, Ladie, thank you for coming on today. Man, I 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.160 ain't doing much. Chi how you I'm doing good? 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.520 Brother? What's happening? 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.400 Not much? You wanted to have you on the show, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.120 and you know, just talk NBA playoffs and then I 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.080 had a few questions about your story and we just 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.240 want to talk ball if that's cool with you. Of course, 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.000 So I know you're on You're on you know TV 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.160 every night talking to playoffs happening right now. But we 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.360 wanted to start off the show by talking about the Knicks. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.119 You know, they went up to Oh, then they went 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.280 to Indiana and the Pacers came right back. So I 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.320 wanted to ask, do you think the Knicks are tired? 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.240 Do you think TIBs game plan and playing you know, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.559 only like seven eight guys and playing them at major 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.920 run times is affecting them now? 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.720 Yes? And no, because John will understand what I'm about 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.679 to say. It's a lot more physical back in our day. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.480 I hate going back to our day, but it was 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.080 way more physical. Like, I don't see how you can 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.880 just be tired from running pick and rolls other day. No, 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.280 it ain't really know our flag fowles and I ain't 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.520 really I don't know, you know. So you know, like 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.160 I hear a couple of guys talking about physical the game, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.400 but that's not really the physical that John and myself 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.480 were used to. So I don't see how they can 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.160 be tired. But I like Brunson's response, Hey man, no excuses, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.360 we just got to come out, you know, play our game. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.800 I really I knew Brunson was nice. I didn't know 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.920 he was that nice. Mins what John used to do 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.280 and moms be with a AI did a guy that 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:26.520 was very small, but just you know post up the 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.799 fadeaways getting to the lane, absorb a lot of contact 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.320 and you know he's he's he's doing very well. Well. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:38.000 Man been lighting it up too, Uh Spanish cat that 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:43.040 was a golden state what was his name? Lighting up? 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.400 But he going back to like he had the National 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.080 championship game. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.200 Yeah he fired. Just listen. Both teamers did what they're 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.920 supposed to do. They want it home. I really liked 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.639 Tyree's Holiberry. I like his game. I like the way 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.639 that that team was playing. The game three almost let 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.960 it get away, but you know game four that they 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.280 came back and they played with more desperation in the 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.400 next thing and they just blew him out. But as 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.800 we all know, this next game is the most important 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.800 game was important, and like I needs to hear that 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.880 a lot in the playoffs, and I'm sure you did too, 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.600 Gent we need this game just like the most. But 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.160 this game five, with three games left, I think the 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.440 team that wins this game is the team that's gonna 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:29.080 win the series. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.959 Yeah, that's mostly I go. You know, whoever win Game 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.080 five was two too. They usually win the whole series. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.720 And like you said, I think the Knicks I don't 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.880 like it's not that physical. I just think they're not playing. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.720 They played guys, they play a lot, but you know, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.640 Og going down really hurt them a lot. I mean 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.960 Og is a big piece of their team, and there 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.520 was twenty six and five when he played, and I 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.760 think just Haliber when he's been aggressive. Since Game one, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.520 he's been more aggressive, and their team goes how he goes. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.480 So when he's aggressive, they're tough to deal with. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:55.480 I think it goes. I don't know. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.680 Before I had it going six to seven, but I 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.480 don't know. I think Indiana might get it in six. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.200 If they can win in that game, that'll be nice. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.560 So last night we saw Dinner Top of series too too. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.120 Who you think we're in that series? 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:08.440 And why? 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.440 Because I know when we've seen what happened with Minnesota 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.880 the first two games, we're like, oh shit, it's getting bad. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.400 Kat is the key and went crazy last night with 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.159 forty something and Cat had a thismal game. You know, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.680 they can both play well like they did in game 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.520 one and two. It'll be tough for Denver. Listen, you're 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:35.240 not gonna stop joking jokers. He's a he's he's he's different. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.000 You know, we can't let Jamal get off. So again, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.120 I just said forty two seconds ago, this next game 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.279 is gonna be most important. I like I like the 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.479 young fella, and because he reminds me of us old 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.200 school players talk smack. And you know, I was watching 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.800 at the end of the game when he was talking 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.360 to Jamal, and we actually on TNTs. I had I 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:02.360 told his ass say I like that, and so you know, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.760 I know he's gonna be ready. But if Kat can, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.400 if Kat can give me a thirty something and give 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.400 me a thirty something, I still let in Minnesota. But 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.760 we can never count out the champs. They woke up. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.040 Yeah, I need I think Catney to be like like 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.880 the series he was against Phoens, he was posting up 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.280 KD a lot when they going smaller guys on them 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.359 with Michael Porter and Carwell Pope. He has to post 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.320 up more. Yeah, and I think he's standing on the 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:26.880 perimitive a little too much. And they kind of go 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.280 back to what we said and I are the physicality 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.160 in the game, like he should be dominant down there 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.360 to make them get double teams, to open up over 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.520 shots for those other guys, because's gonna be man. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:35.599 Man. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.479 He's been aggressives, being spent tackling all playoffs and he's 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:39.120 not backing down. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.559 He's talking his ship and he wants all to smoke. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.080 And I hate when cats you got to get in 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.000 and drive and be flailing looking for a car bro 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.080 just taking one or two jewels and just go up 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:53.520 from just go apart. But you know, he uh, he's 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.919 the key. And you know, whenever we have whenever you 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.080 have one two punch, if you want to go far, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.520 the one and the two have to play well playoffs. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.919 That's that's unfortunate. You know a lot of teams have 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.200 you know, three or four guys that can you know, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.479 come in on any night and play well. But in 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.360 all for Minnesota get to the next level, they have 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.479 to play well. And the nas read that's you know, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.360 kicking and you know all the others have to kick 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.080 in no shack. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.600 Can I ask you if Yokic goes out and leads 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.919 them to close the series on the next two games, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.640 do you think your opinion and your stance on Yokic 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.440 form MVP changes a little bit, no. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.080 Because I was always taught that the MVP is a 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:35.240 regular seasonal war. So you know, I like that, And 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.400 I hate when people act like they don't hear me 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.200 when I speak clearly, when I see the reason why 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.320 I told Joker man the man, because you know, when 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.640 you say things, everybody want to get in and twisted, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.560 and the first thing I want to say, you're the 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.880 best big man in the league. But this is no 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.240 disrespect to you. I want to tell you here so 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.680 people ain't twitting out words. I thought SGA should have 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.560 got to do V That's that's not a disc. That's cool, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.760 that's called real You John, You my guy. But I 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.000 think DEEPH. Curry got better handled. That ain't a distant 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.280 John John, you my guy, But I think a spell 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.360 Away jump higher than you. That's not a disc. That's 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.120 just how But you know, you know, you get all 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.880 these ears that don't want to get on that little 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.000 platform and you don't make a name for this ulf 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.320 and trying to trist my words, like when they say 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.640 I don't like all big men, I don't. But I 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.720 like Joker I like him be and I don't think 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.760 I have to say anything bad about Joker because he 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.520 plays the game in the right way. He keeps his 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.000 teammates involved, he plays his style, he does what he does. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.200 But I think what SGA did, and I'm sticking up 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.920 for the kid. You know, nobody else is Listen, He's 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.800 one of fifty players that got thirty points in fifty games. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.160 Nobody was talking about Okay. See at the beginning of 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.120 the year. It was Denver, it was Philly, it was Boston. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.920 They threw the Lakers in there, the Golden State. Can 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.200 they make a last run with the Clippers and everybody, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.480 all those names, nobody said the name about Okay. Seeing 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.320 what that kid did was tremendous. Now the fact that 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.600 he has to start all over and it g's what. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.120 It ain't gonna be easy next year because at Man Coming, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.920 at Man Coming, you know, Victor coming, you know, yeah, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.040 a lot of people coming. So this shit's unfortunate when 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.760 you work hard like that and then you don't come 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.119 away with that award. Because I've said this for many years, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.320 what is the criteria for most lygule player? You can't 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.320 say most player, which is a singular award that always 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.560 include the team. I think that I think it should 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.960 be if your team is one through eight, you can 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.640 be concerned in m v P. John and myself know, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.079 MVP means the baddest motherfucker in the league period. 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.800 For sure, that's what And I'm glad you brought it 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.719 up because I was like the criteria. I'm like, for 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.920 one day, I always said it was winning. They always said, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.000 have these numbers, but that's not it. That's not MVP. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.960 That means I'm not the most valued player to my team. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.120 And what Shade did. Everybody had them as a playing team. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.319 Nobody had them finish in top three, top two in 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:04.520 the West, and they go out there and get the 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.240 number one seed. And what he did every night, he's 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.000 the go to guy down the stretch. He got those 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.960 young guys to play at a high level with the 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.199 youngest team in the league. So for sure, you know, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.280 I mean, YO want to congratulations. Like you said, he's 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.400 the badest motherfucking the game. We're not taking away from them, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.000 but I feel like Edgy should have been MVP this league. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.800 And there's nothing against Yokuss, nothing against none of the 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.360 other guys. Because if I feel like if m B 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.440 would have been healthy, he probably would have won it. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.760 The numbers he was putting. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.480 There and then and then you could tell the voters 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.319 the voters don't know what they're doing. I may have 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:36.120 fifteen votes, really that she had fifteen votes? Come on, bro, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.959 So how far? How far you think a man can 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.720 go in his league? Really far? I think if they 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.040 continue to put the right pieces around him, and you know, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.480 he just keeps playing the way he plays. Listen, the 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.640 kid is a nice looking kid. He is a great 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.520 personal out here. I know he's gonna go over there 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.240 and do work in the Olympics or something. He's just 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.719 making his name for so you know, because you know, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.080 so it's not really a big market, but you know, 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.720 because he's he's on the team, they're probably gonna get way, way, way, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.680 way more TV game. So you got to you got 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.520 to listen. He can like they're to be making comparisons 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.880 and Jordan and d Wade, But I like the way 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.880 this kid plays because he plays the right way, and 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.360 he plays hard and he played with that tenacity of 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:20.840 a dog. 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.800 You think he takes that d way role on the 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.079 Limby team has a sixth man no, d Way came 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:27.560 in a year. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.160 No, I think I think I think his personality. Listen, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.560 he's a he's a team player like you like me, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.920 but he knows where Hey this this dude from France 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.120 can't guard me. I'm gonna go to work. He's not 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.000 gonna go there and be like this my team. But 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.199 when he gets that ball, he's gonna be looking to 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.400 do what he do first and if not, he's gonna 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.319 make the right play. So you know, d Wade was 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.079 was similar. He was like that. When you know, d 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.240 Wade was like the ultimate team player. He could have 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.320 been the leader that team. But when you got all 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.440 those big names personality, sometimes just okay to sit back 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.920 because as you know, we all can eat. We all 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.600 can eat. Like you know, just because one guy gets 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.480 gets all the credit, I'm still going to, you know, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.080 do what I do. I learned that in college. I'm 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.560 playing a guy named my mood Off Duro, because you know, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.560 I was. I was telling my sons this, because you know, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.920 I was telling my sons that my life is always 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.000 like this. High school was not really good. Number one 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.800 high school play go to college, Hey man, you gotta 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.600 wait your turn. Number one College player. Amen, you come 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.800 to the NBA, they got marketing, they got you want 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.320 to and then you just move work work work, work, work, 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.760 work work. So you know d Wadding is the guy 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.920 that is just the you know, An'll be the guy 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.760 just sit back and when everybody do anything. But when 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.559 he gets his opportunity to make noise, he definitely made 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.199 a noise period for sure. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.480 Yeah, let him be into Okay, Shack. I wanted to 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.520 get into some shack news. There's been some stories right 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.040 now about the bidding war a little bit between NBC 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.960 and with NBA rights, and I think I speak for 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.520 everyone when we say if next season is the last 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.880 season inside the NBA, that's going to break our hearts. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.800 So I wanted to know what sort of going through 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.600 your mind right now seeing some of that stuff. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.240 You know, we don't really have any information on it. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.600 On it, Yeah, I don't like to think left. I 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.959 think right, But you know, uh, I agree with you. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:23.839 If it would be the end of that show, I 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.360 think it would be a travest everyone first to Plat 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:33.199 Boys break up, first run DMC break. But we don't 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.800 have a lot of information. We don't know what's going on, 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.520 but hopefully the powers that be will make sure that 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:41.640 the show goes on forever. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.840 Well, can you also just speak on like how you 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.079 know people said or Ernie has said he's gonna stay 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.560 with Turner and you know, maybe you guys go find 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.240 a new home, and can you just kind of speak 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.280 on how important Ernie has been to the run. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.120 I don't listener. Ernie is the best in the business. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.120 And again, I don't want to think left, get right, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.920 I don't want to think right. We get another thing 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.199 here right now, I'm actually in the same place you're. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.160 We don't know, we don't know what's going on. So 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.000 we'll just sit back and you see what happened. But hopefully, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.240 hopefully you know, the show can do. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.360 For sure, that's the best show in business. Man, y'all 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.960 be having everybody's dying life. They gotta keep it. I mean, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.520 mind came up there when they were doing the All 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:22.000 Star thing. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:22.360 One time. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.120 We was up there joking in the back. I was like, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.080 only y'all see behind the scenes. These ship is hilarious. 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.920 It's all jokes and comedy back there. So the lottery 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.520 they did, the lot of Atlanta, Washington, Houston got the 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.760 topic pick. Some people are complaining yet again that the 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.000 worst team didn't crack the top three, Like, what do 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:39.680 you think about that? 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.200 And what's the benefits of the lottery. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.600 I don't know who's out there, but you know they're 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.760 talking about this kid in France and how it will 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:52.200 be the next generation play that's it's been the same 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.000 way forever. So I don't I don't like when they 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.199 take things and change it, like when they change the 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.200 All Star Game the first team to get them up. Bro, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.199 let's just play. But I would like to see a 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:08.120 TV USA versus Team World. I will. I would like 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.080 to see that also because you know some guys take 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.760 the some dope come in because I did both. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:18.480 So but in. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:24.920 Atlanta, so GM John Wall, do you keep Trey and 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.720 de Jonte or do you trade him and get that 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.200 number one pick? And you telling what would you do 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:31.600 for me? 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:32.920 I think uh. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.680 I think they made the trade with to Jonte just 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.320 in case they might want to move on from Tredeon 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.320 down the road. I mean, because he's been the point 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.640 guard in San Antonio, so I would trade him somewhere. 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.520 But I would let the Johnte Murray because of darring 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.200 point guard for them trade Treyon, let him start. For me, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.040 I was saying earlier before we got on, I think 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.600 trading trade to San Antonio would be dope to put 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:51.120 him with win me. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.080 Yeah, but you think pop Pop won't let them shoot 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.640 them eighty for us? 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.400 Hey, Hey, sometimes we need some control. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.600 Sometimes we need to adjustment, you know, sometime we need 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.360 some adjustments to get things right way, kind of like 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.240 of you, like Phil Jackson, probably you probably did some 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:05.720 stuff before. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.240 When Phil came, he was like Lizen Shanker. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.000 For us to get to where we want to get to, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.160 to get to you where you want to get to, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.960 we gotta make some changes. And like you said, for us, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.440 it's pros if we want to really worry about winning 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:17.720 and get to our next steps in our crew, we 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.280 got to make certain adjustments. That's true, and I think 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.600 that'll be a nice adjustment to make well. 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.000 Piggybacking on that, can you tell us kind of specifically 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.000 why you think you and Kobe worked so well because 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.360 we don't see like we see guard big combos, you know, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.280 with Jamal and jo Kicch and I think we can 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.480 say why that worked, But I'm curious what you think 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.200 works so well between you and Kobe mentality. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.080 And when you got two guys competing with each other 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.560 on the same team and nobody's going to break, that's 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.000 feels disaster everybody else. Yeah, I've said this as a 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.840 big man, and this was talking to me about Dominique Wrookins. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.760 We want to be a dominate big man. Got average 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.720 twenty eight two, that's the parts sport. So I'm glad 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.520 you get my twenty eight. I don't really care what 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.520 anybody else to do. Now, got another guy and try 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.080 out and do you and get twenty eight thirty They 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.440 go sixty points right there. Now you got to do 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.680 is get him with Derek Fisher And they said, you 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.320 know what, Shack's tired. Then to go to Kobe. You 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.720 know Kobe and Kobe just missed four chants in a row. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.000 Then to go to shat. Now you need a guy 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.960 that's going to you know, hit deadly chat. It's a 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.480 big shot blob. Now you need a veteran the calm 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.840 everything down, Bryant shut. Now you need a guy really 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.760 tough on defense, Rick Fox. So you know the fact 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.600 that and then Johnny he made a great point about 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 sacrifices because I was a good free throw shooter. I 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.320 had to sacrifice and say you go out, go o 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.200 young fella, you take it. And once I started doing that, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.680 we started winning championship. I'm gonna go and get my 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.280 twenty year earlier, get the team at a penalty boom 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.680 boom bam, and do that hopefully. You know, I'm hitting 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.520 free throws. But in the full quarter especially, had been clothing games, 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.760 just giving the ball and we'll just go over and 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.960 we would have to revert to a role player, get offensive, rebound, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.280 sit and pick some mature and once we establish that, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.160 you know, we definitely started championships. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.480 I think I say, you're the most dominant player of 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:03.880 all time. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.800 You're the last person since Jordan to win scoring title, NBP, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.480 the league in the championship in the same year. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.400 Who you think is the most dominant right now? 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.160 Yeah? Yeah, But according to some idiots, take it seriously, 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:17.280 because I. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:20.320 I've seen it back and forth. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.520 For me, it's like you were so dominant, like some 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.399 people might think you wasn't taking it serious, but nobody 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:27.920 can stop me. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.119 It was all up to me. I was getting the 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.680 job done. I won three people. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:36.199 And then my my response to that is one my 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:41.400 Eric response is work hard for who? Work hard for who? 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.240 Like wh Who's gonna stop me? Anyway? That's my ergant response. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.720 And my other response is I don't have to work 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.560 that hard. You see what I'm saying. I don't have 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.159 to work that hard to do what I may business 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.760 up here? You know that, and then you know all 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.840 that fives in the gym. Some people need to do 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:03.240 that to get that level. I came in him. Remember 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.040 I came in him. I didn't come like you know 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.480 some guys you know, came in and worked that way 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.240 through in two, three years and four or five. That's 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.080 what you have to do to get to your spot. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.240 I did what I did. And let's see three retired jerseys, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.959 two statues. We see them balls behind me. So how 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.080 could you say I didn't take it? That's why, and 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.320