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Speaker 1: Special episode. I'm gonna bring on our guests right now
Speaker 1: because he is maybe my favorite person of all time.
Speaker 1: On today's episode, we were joined by four time NBA champ,
Speaker 1: three times Finals MVP, fifteen time all start the Big
Speaker 1: Aristotle himself, Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquille O'Neill on Point Game. Shaquille,
Speaker 1: how you doing man?
Speaker 2: First of all, CJ, that guy did a radio voice
Speaker 2: when you talking to me.
Speaker 1: I just I don't usually talk like this. I'm like
Speaker 1: Shack is on. I think I have to, like felt,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: John Wall?
Speaker 4: So, Ladie, thank you for coming on today. Man, I
Speaker 4: ain't doing much. Chi how you I'm doing good?
Speaker 2: Brother? What's happening?
Speaker 1: Not much? You wanted to have you on the show,
Speaker 1: and you know, just talk NBA playoffs and then I
Speaker 1: had a few questions about your story and we just
Speaker 1: want to talk ball if that's cool with you. Of course,
Speaker 1: So I know you're on You're on you know TV
Speaker 1: every night talking to playoffs happening right now. But we
Speaker 1: wanted to start off the show by talking about the Knicks.
Speaker 1: You know, they went up to Oh, then they went
Speaker 1: to Indiana and the Pacers came right back. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask, do you think the Knicks are tired?
Speaker 1: Do you think TIBs game plan and playing you know,
Speaker 1: only like seven eight guys and playing them at major
Speaker 1: run times is affecting them now?
Speaker 2: Yes? And no, because John will understand what I'm about
Speaker 2: to say. It's a lot more physical back in our day.
Speaker 2: I hate going back to our day, but it was
Speaker 2: way more physical. Like, I don't see how you can
Speaker 2: just be tired from running pick and rolls other day. No,
Speaker 2: it ain't really know our flag fowles and I ain't
Speaker 2: really I don't know, you know. So you know, like
Speaker 2: I hear a couple of guys talking about physical the game,
Speaker 2: but that's not really the physical that John and myself
Speaker 2: were used to. So I don't see how they can
Speaker 2: be tired. But I like Brunson's response, Hey man, no excuses,
Speaker 2: we just got to come out, you know, play our game.
Speaker 2: I really I knew Brunson was nice. I didn't know
Speaker 2: he was that nice. Mins what John used to do
Speaker 2: and moms be with a AI did a guy that
Speaker 2: was very small, but just you know post up the
Speaker 2: fadeaways getting to the lane, absorb a lot of contact
Speaker 2: and you know he's he's he's doing very well. Well.
Speaker 2: Man been lighting it up too, Uh Spanish cat that
Speaker 2: was a golden state what was his name? Lighting up?
Speaker 5: But he going back to like he had the National
Speaker 5: championship game.
Speaker 2: Yeah he fired. Just listen. Both teamers did what they're
Speaker 2: supposed to do. They want it home. I really liked
Speaker 2: Tyree's Holiberry. I like his game. I like the way
Speaker 2: that that team was playing. The game three almost let
Speaker 2: it get away, but you know game four that they
Speaker 2: came back and they played with more desperation in the
Speaker 2: next thing and they just blew him out. But as
Speaker 2: we all know, this next game is the most important
Speaker 2: game was important, and like I needs to hear that
Speaker 2: a lot in the playoffs, and I'm sure you did too,
Speaker 2: Gent we need this game just like the most. But
Speaker 2: this game five, with three games left, I think the
Speaker 2: team that wins this game is the team that's gonna
Speaker 2: win the series.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's mostly I go. You know, whoever win Game
Speaker 4: five was two too. They usually win the whole series.
Speaker 4: And like you said, I think the Knicks I don't
Speaker 4: like it's not that physical. I just think they're not playing.
Speaker 4: They played guys, they play a lot, but you know,
Speaker 4: Og going down really hurt them a lot. I mean
Speaker 4: Og is a big piece of their team, and there
Speaker 4: was twenty six and five when he played, and I
Speaker 4: think just Haliber when he's been aggressive. Since Game one,
Speaker 4: he's been more aggressive, and their team goes how he goes.
Speaker 4: So when he's aggressive, they're tough to deal with.
Speaker 5: I think it goes. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Before I had it going six to seven, but I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think Indiana might get it in six.
Speaker 4: If they can win in that game, that'll be nice.
Speaker 4: So last night we saw Dinner Top of series too too.
Speaker 4: Who you think we're in that series?
Speaker 5: And why?
Speaker 4: Because I know when we've seen what happened with Minnesota
Speaker 4: the first two games, we're like, oh shit, it's getting bad.
Speaker 2: Kat is the key and went crazy last night with
Speaker 2: forty something and Cat had a thismal game. You know,
Speaker 2: they can both play well like they did in game
Speaker 2: one and two. It'll be tough for Denver. Listen, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna stop joking jokers. He's a he's he's he's different.
Speaker 2: You know, we can't let Jamal get off. So again,
Speaker 2: I just said forty two seconds ago, this next game
Speaker 2: is gonna be most important. I like I like the
Speaker 2: young fella, and because he reminds me of us old
Speaker 2: school players talk smack. And you know, I was watching
Speaker 2: at the end of the game when he was talking
Speaker 2: to Jamal, and we actually on TNTs. I had I
Speaker 2: told his ass say I like that, and so you know,
Speaker 2: I know he's gonna be ready. But if Kat can,
Speaker 2: if Kat can give me a thirty something and give
Speaker 2: me a thirty something, I still let in Minnesota. But
Speaker 2: we can never count out the champs. They woke up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need I think Catney to be like like
Speaker 4: the series he was against Phoens, he was posting up
Speaker 4: KD a lot when they going smaller guys on them
Speaker 4: with Michael Porter and Carwell Pope. He has to post
Speaker 4: up more. Yeah, and I think he's standing on the
Speaker 4: perimitive a little too much. And they kind of go
Speaker 4: back to what we said and I are the physicality
Speaker 4: in the game, like he should be dominant down there
Speaker 4: to make them get double teams, to open up over
Speaker 4: shots for those other guys, because's gonna be man.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: He's been aggressives, being spent tackling all playoffs and he's
Speaker 4: not backing down.
Speaker 5: He's talking his ship and he wants all to smoke.
Speaker 2: And I hate when cats you got to get in
Speaker 2: and drive and be flailing looking for a car bro
Speaker 2: just taking one or two jewels and just go up
Speaker 2: from just go apart. But you know, he uh, he's
Speaker 2: the key. And you know, whenever we have whenever you
Speaker 2: have one two punch, if you want to go far,
Speaker 2: the one and the two have to play well playoffs.
Speaker 2: That's that's unfortunate. You know a lot of teams have
Speaker 2: you know, three or four guys that can you know,
Speaker 2: come in on any night and play well. But in
Speaker 2: all for Minnesota get to the next level, they have
Speaker 2: to play well. And the nas read that's you know,
Speaker 2: kicking and you know all the others have to kick
Speaker 2: in no shack.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you if Yokic goes out and leads
Speaker 1: them to close the series on the next two games,
Speaker 1: do you think your opinion and your stance on Yokic
Speaker 1: form MVP changes a little bit, no.
Speaker 2: Because I was always taught that the MVP is a
Speaker 2: regular seasonal war. So you know, I like that, And
Speaker 2: I hate when people act like they don't hear me
Speaker 2: when I speak clearly, when I see the reason why
Speaker 2: I told Joker man the man, because you know, when
Speaker 2: you say things, everybody want to get in and twisted,
Speaker 2: and the first thing I want to say, you're the
Speaker 2: best big man in the league. But this is no
Speaker 2: disrespect to you. I want to tell you here so
Speaker 2: people ain't twitting out words. I thought SGA should have
Speaker 2: got to do V That's that's not a disc. That's cool,
Speaker 2: that's called real You John, You my guy. But I
Speaker 2: think DEEPH. Curry got better handled. That ain't a distant
Speaker 2: John John, you my guy, But I think a spell
Speaker 2: Away jump higher than you. That's not a disc. That's
Speaker 2: just how But you know, you know, you get all
Speaker 2: these ears that don't want to get on that little
Speaker 2: platform and you don't make a name for this ulf
Speaker 2: and trying to trist my words, like when they say
Speaker 2: I don't like all big men, I don't. But I
Speaker 2: like Joker I like him be and I don't think
Speaker 2: I have to say anything bad about Joker because he
Speaker 2: plays the game in the right way. He keeps his
Speaker 2: teammates involved, he plays his style, he does what he does.
Speaker 2: But I think what SGA did, and I'm sticking up
Speaker 2: for the kid. You know, nobody else is Listen, He's
Speaker 2: one of fifty players that got thirty points in fifty games.
Speaker 2: Nobody was talking about Okay. See at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the year. It was Denver, it was Philly, it was Boston.
Speaker 2: They threw the Lakers in there, the Golden State. Can
Speaker 2: they make a last run with the Clippers and everybody,
Speaker 2: all those names, nobody said the name about Okay. Seeing
Speaker 2: what that kid did was tremendous. Now the fact that
Speaker 2: he has to start all over and it g's what.
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna be easy next year because at Man Coming,
Speaker 2: at Man Coming, you know, Victor coming, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of people coming. So this shit's unfortunate when
Speaker 2: you work hard like that and then you don't come
Speaker 2: away with that award. Because I've said this for many years,
Speaker 2: what is the criteria for most lygule player? You can't
Speaker 2: say most player, which is a singular award that always
Speaker 2: include the team. I think that I think it should
Speaker 2: be if your team is one through eight, you can
Speaker 2: be concerned in m v P. John and myself know,
Speaker 2: MVP means the baddest motherfucker in the league period.
Speaker 4: For sure, that's what And I'm glad you brought it
Speaker 4: up because I was like the criteria. I'm like, for
Speaker 4: one day, I always said it was winning. They always said,
Speaker 4: have these numbers, but that's not it. That's not MVP.
Speaker 4: That means I'm not the most valued player to my team.
Speaker 4: And what Shade did. Everybody had them as a playing team.
Speaker 4: Nobody had them finish in top three, top two in
Speaker 4: the West, and they go out there and get the
Speaker 4: number one seed. And what he did every night, he's
Speaker 4: the go to guy down the stretch. He got those
Speaker 4: young guys to play at a high level with the
Speaker 4: youngest team in the league. So for sure, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, YO want to congratulations. Like you said, he's
Speaker 4: the badest motherfucking the game. We're not taking away from them,
Speaker 4: but I feel like Edgy should have been MVP this league.
Speaker 4: And there's nothing against Yokuss, nothing against none of the
Speaker 4: other guys. Because if I feel like if m B
Speaker 4: would have been healthy, he probably would have won it.
Speaker 5: The numbers he was putting.
Speaker 2: There and then and then you could tell the voters
Speaker 2: the voters don't know what they're doing. I may have
Speaker 2: fifteen votes, really that she had fifteen votes? Come on, bro,
Speaker 2: So how far? How far you think a man can
Speaker 2: go in his league? Really far? I think if they
Speaker 2: continue to put the right pieces around him, and you know,
Speaker 2: he just keeps playing the way he plays. Listen, the
Speaker 2: kid is a nice looking kid. He is a great
Speaker 2: personal out here. I know he's gonna go over there
Speaker 2: and do work in the Olympics or something. He's just
Speaker 2: making his name for so you know, because you know,
Speaker 2: so it's not really a big market, but you know,
Speaker 2: because he's he's on the team, they're probably gonna get way, way, way,
Speaker 2: way more TV game. So you got to you got
Speaker 2: to listen. He can like they're to be making comparisons
Speaker 2: and Jordan and d Wade, But I like the way
Speaker 2: this kid plays because he plays the right way, and
Speaker 2: he plays hard and he played with that tenacity of
Speaker 2: a dog.
Speaker 4: You think he takes that d way role on the
Speaker 4: Limby team has a sixth man no, d Way came
Speaker 4: in a year.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think I think his personality. Listen,
Speaker 2: he's a he's a team player like you like me,
Speaker 2: but he knows where Hey this this dude from France
Speaker 2: can't guard me. I'm gonna go to work. He's not
Speaker 2: gonna go there and be like this my team. But
Speaker 2: when he gets that ball, he's gonna be looking to
Speaker 2: do what he do first and if not, he's gonna
Speaker 2: make the right play. So you know, d Wade was
Speaker 2: was similar. He was like that. When you know, d
Speaker 2: Wade was like the ultimate team player. He could have
Speaker 2: been the leader that team. But when you got all
Speaker 2: those big names personality, sometimes just okay to sit back
Speaker 2: because as you know, we all can eat. We all
Speaker 2: can eat. Like you know, just because one guy gets
Speaker 2: gets all the credit, I'm still going to, you know,
Speaker 2: do what I do. I learned that in college. I'm
Speaker 2: playing a guy named my mood Off Duro, because you know,
Speaker 2: I was. I was telling my sons this, because you know,
Speaker 2: I was telling my sons that my life is always
Speaker 2: like this. High school was not really good. Number one
Speaker 2: high school play go to college, Hey man, you gotta
Speaker 2: wait your turn. Number one College player. Amen, you come
Speaker 2: to the NBA, they got marketing, they got you want
Speaker 2: to and then you just move work work work, work, work,
Speaker 2: work work. So you know d Wadding is the guy
Speaker 2: that is just the you know, An'll be the guy
Speaker 2: just sit back and when everybody do anything. But when
Speaker 2: he gets his opportunity to make noise, he definitely made
Speaker 2: a noise period for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let him be into Okay, Shack. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get into some shack news. There's been some stories right
Speaker 1: now about the bidding war a little bit between NBC
Speaker 1: and with NBA rights, and I think I speak for
Speaker 1: everyone when we say if next season is the last
Speaker 1: season inside the NBA, that's going to break our hearts.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to know what sort of going through
Speaker 1: your mind right now seeing some of that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't really have any information on it.
Speaker 2: On it, Yeah, I don't like to think left. I
Speaker 2: think right, But you know, uh, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: If it would be the end of that show, I
Speaker 2: think it would be a travest everyone first to Plat
Speaker 2: Boys break up, first run DMC break. But we don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of information. We don't know what's going on,
Speaker 2: but hopefully the powers that be will make sure that
Speaker 2: the show goes on forever.
Speaker 1: Well, can you also just speak on like how you
Speaker 1: know people said or Ernie has said he's gonna stay
Speaker 1: with Turner and you know, maybe you guys go find
Speaker 1: a new home, and can you just kind of speak
Speaker 1: on how important Ernie has been to the run.
Speaker 2: I don't listener. Ernie is the best in the business.
Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to think left, get right,
Speaker 2: I don't want to think right. We get another thing
Speaker 2: here right now, I'm actually in the same place you're.
Speaker 2: We don't know, we don't know what's going on. So
Speaker 2: we'll just sit back and you see what happened. But hopefully,
Speaker 2: hopefully you know, the show can do.
Speaker 4: For sure, that's the best show in business. Man, y'all
Speaker 4: be having everybody's dying life. They gotta keep it. I mean,
Speaker 4: mind came up there when they were doing the All
Speaker 4: Star thing.
Speaker 5: One time.
Speaker 4: We was up there joking in the back. I was like,
Speaker 4: only y'all see behind the scenes. These ship is hilarious.
Speaker 4: It's all jokes and comedy back there. So the lottery
Speaker 4: they did, the lot of Atlanta, Washington, Houston got the
Speaker 4: topic pick. Some people are complaining yet again that the
Speaker 4: worst team didn't crack the top three, Like, what do
Speaker 4: you think about that?
Speaker 5: And what's the benefits of the lottery.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's out there, but you know they're
Speaker 2: talking about this kid in France and how it will
Speaker 2: be the next generation play that's it's been the same
Speaker 2: way forever. So I don't I don't like when they
Speaker 2: take things and change it, like when they change the
Speaker 2: All Star Game the first team to get them up. Bro,
Speaker 2: let's just play. But I would like to see a
Speaker 2: TV USA versus Team World. I will. I would like
Speaker 2: to see that also because you know some guys take
Speaker 2: the some dope come in because I did both.
Speaker 5: So but in.
Speaker 2: Atlanta, so GM John Wall, do you keep Trey and
Speaker 2: de Jonte or do you trade him and get that
Speaker 2: number one pick? And you telling what would you do
Speaker 2: for me?
Speaker 5: I think uh.
Speaker 4: I think they made the trade with to Jonte just
Speaker 4: in case they might want to move on from Tredeon
Speaker 4: down the road. I mean, because he's been the point
Speaker 4: guard in San Antonio, so I would trade him somewhere.
Speaker 4: But I would let the Johnte Murray because of darring
Speaker 4: point guard for them trade Treyon, let him start. For me,
Speaker 4: I was saying earlier before we got on, I think
Speaker 4: trading trade to San Antonio would be dope to put
Speaker 4: him with win me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you think pop Pop won't let them shoot
Speaker 2: them eighty for us?
Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, sometimes we need some control.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we need to adjustment, you know, sometime we need
Speaker 4: some adjustments to get things right way, kind of like
Speaker 4: of you, like Phil Jackson, probably you probably did some
Speaker 4: stuff before.
Speaker 5: When Phil came, he was like Lizen Shanker.
Speaker 4: For us to get to where we want to get to,
Speaker 4: to get to you where you want to get to,
Speaker 4: we gotta make some changes. And like you said, for us,
Speaker 4: it's pros if we want to really worry about winning
Speaker 4: and get to our next steps in our crew, we
Speaker 4: got to make certain adjustments. That's true, and I think
Speaker 4: that'll be a nice adjustment to make well.
Speaker 1: Piggybacking on that, can you tell us kind of specifically
Speaker 1: why you think you and Kobe worked so well because
Speaker 1: we don't see like we see guard big combos, you know,
Speaker 1: with Jamal and jo Kicch and I think we can
Speaker 1: say why that worked, But I'm curious what you think
Speaker 1: works so well between you and Kobe mentality.
Speaker 2: And when you got two guys competing with each other
Speaker 2: on the same team and nobody's going to break, that's
Speaker 2: feels disaster everybody else. Yeah, I've said this as a
Speaker 2: big man, and this was talking to me about Dominique Wrookins.
Speaker 2: We want to be a dominate big man. Got average
Speaker 2: twenty eight two, that's the parts sport. So I'm glad
Speaker 2: you get my twenty eight. I don't really care what
Speaker 2: anybody else to do. Now, got another guy and try
Speaker 2: out and do you and get twenty eight thirty They
Speaker 2: go sixty points right there. Now you got to do
Speaker 2: is get him with Derek Fisher And they said, you
Speaker 2: know what, Shack's tired. Then to go to Kobe. You
Speaker 2: know Kobe and Kobe just missed four chants in a row.
Speaker 2: Then to go to shat. Now you need a guy
Speaker 2: that's going to you know, hit deadly chat. It's a
Speaker 2: big shot blob. Now you need a veteran the calm
Speaker 2: everything down, Bryant shut. Now you need a guy really
Speaker 2: tough on defense, Rick Fox. So you know the fact
Speaker 2: that and then Johnny he made a great point about
Speaker 2: sacrifices because I was a good free throw shooter. I
Speaker 2: had to sacrifice and say you go out, go o
Speaker 2: young fella, you take it. And once I started doing that,
Speaker 2: we started winning championship. I'm gonna go and get my
Speaker 2: twenty year earlier, get the team at a penalty boom
Speaker 2: boom bam, and do that hopefully. You know, I'm hitting
Speaker 2: free throws. But in the full quarter especially, had been clothing games,
Speaker 2: just giving the ball and we'll just go over and
Speaker 2: we would have to revert to a role player, get offensive, rebound,
Speaker 2: sit and pick some mature and once we establish that,
Speaker 2: you know, we definitely started championships.
Speaker 5: I think I say, you're the most dominant player of
Speaker 5: all time.
Speaker 4: You're the last person since Jordan to win scoring title, NBP,
Speaker 4: the league in the championship in the same year.
Speaker 5: Who you think is the most dominant right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, But according to some idiots, take it seriously,
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 5: I've seen it back and forth.
Speaker 4: For me, it's like you were so dominant, like some
Speaker 4: people might think you wasn't taking it serious, but nobody
Speaker 4: can stop me.
Speaker 5: It was all up to me. I was getting the
Speaker 5: job done. I won three people.
Speaker 2: And then my my response to that is one my
Speaker 2: Eric response is work hard for who? Work hard for who?
Speaker 2: Like wh Who's gonna stop me? Anyway? That's my ergant response.
Speaker 2: And my other response is I don't have to work
Speaker 2: that hard. You see what I'm saying. I don't have
Speaker 2: to work that hard to do what I may business
Speaker 2: up here? You know that, and then you know all
Speaker 2: that fives in the gym. Some people need to do
Speaker 2: that to get that level. I came in him. Remember
Speaker 2: I came in him. I didn't come like you know
Speaker 2: some guys you know, came in and worked that way
Speaker 2: through in two, three years and four or five. That's
Speaker 2: what you have to do to get to your spot.
Speaker 2: I did what I did. And let's see three retired jerseys,
Speaker 2: two statues. We see them balls behind me. So how
Speaker 2: could you say I didn't take it? That's why, and
Speaker 2: that's why I say G fourteen classification is important, like
Speaker 2: if you if you don't have G fourteen classes like like,
Speaker 2: for example, when it comes to being a great guard, John,
Speaker 2: we have G fourteen classification. So you could say, you
Speaker 2: know what, Mary's taking that step back, Well, maybe you shouldn't,
Speaker 2: you know, lean on me and go to the left.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should take a step. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like you have g fourteen classifications and say that nobody
Speaker 2: has done. That's why I think that's important. But thank
Speaker 2: you for that. I Uh, I wanted to be the
Speaker 2: most of it, you know, the the title the best
Speaker 2: I've never had that never had that. Like as a youngster,
Speaker 2: I wasn't the best player on the team. I was
Speaker 2: the best player in the high school team, but it
Speaker 2: was a small team. But I wasn't the best player
Speaker 2: on my college team. I wasn't the best player on
Speaker 2: none of my great teams. You telling me I'm better
Speaker 2: than Pineontoway, You tell me I'm better than Kobe No,
Speaker 2: you tell me I'm better than the Way No. So
Speaker 2: I wasn't looking to be the best. I was looking
Speaker 2: to be where I was and that was the most
Speaker 2: domine ever. So thank you for saying that.
Speaker 5: And I just hit, yeah, they got to respect it.
Speaker 4: They're like a lot of people with your resume and
Speaker 4: come over to that mindset wouldn't say they wasn't the best,
Speaker 4: you know, because most people coming I got to be
Speaker 4: the best.
Speaker 5: I gotta be the best.
Speaker 4: And your mindset was I'm gonna be the most dominant
Speaker 4: and it's still gonna help my team win.
Speaker 2: So who can stand that I'm disappointed. I miss a
Speaker 2: lot of free throws. So let's say the twenty thousand
Speaker 2: boys I miss plaids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, about fifty thousand times.
Speaker 2: I missed ten downard free throws. Let's say act they
Speaker 2: go thirty two thousand there, and.
Speaker 4: Then they probably want to found you as much more
Speaker 4: so than you would have more found me.
Speaker 2: Bro No, I don't know, but again that's the only
Speaker 2: thing that that's that obsessed me by my leg is
Speaker 2: as you know, when it's going, you can never get
Speaker 2: it back. So I missed ten thousand free throws, So
Speaker 2: just give me three thousand off of that, that'd have
Speaker 2: been thirty one thousand points. And then that's two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty games due to injury. You know, I got
Speaker 2: my hand broke twice, knee stummach, and so two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty that twenty that's another five donald points I
Speaker 2: would have been. I'd have been thirty six thousand, probably
Speaker 2: have been probably been. That's the only thing I'm upset about,
Speaker 2: all that he didn't work hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you talked, you talked about your My
Speaker 4: ration for candis Parking. You spoke very high of her
Speaker 4: and all that she did for the game when she
Speaker 4: received announci.
Speaker 5: She is a.
Speaker 2: Beautiful person inside so humble, loves the game. She's like us.
Speaker 2: She talks that talk, she walks that walk, and she
Speaker 2: plays with that and that's it. Beautiful girl and just
Speaker 2: you know, played, just just played so hard, and you
Speaker 2: know she wanted to be the best. And I actually
Speaker 2: saw her documentary with what he and Pat Summer went
Speaker 2: through in ut never knew that happened. But I can
Speaker 2: see where she gets a tougher love. She's she's tough
Speaker 2: because she's from Chicago, but you know, you had an
Speaker 2: element like that Pat Summer and all the things she
Speaker 2: did at Tennessee. Candace has been a beast since they.
Speaker 1: Were I think she's about to have you know, when
Speaker 1: you retire. When Chuck retired, everyone was like, well, great players,
Speaker 1: will see what they do next. But like then, you
Speaker 1: know you've gone in this insane run as a media personality,
Speaker 1: as a businessman, and Chuck same thing. You know, I
Speaker 1: think we're about to see that. We're seeing the beginning
Speaker 1: of Candice in that sort of era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she you know sky as a level I think
Speaker 2: she was just named President of Women to do his
Speaker 2: basketball and she was a she was a very bright
Speaker 2: young lady. Stuff. She can actually do whatever she wants
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Shack. I wanted to ask you about this because everyone
Speaker 1: was raving over the Tom Brady roast that happened about
Speaker 1: a week ago. But I don't know know a lot
Speaker 1: of people remember you've had roast for years. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to know what you thought of the Tom Brady
Speaker 1: ROAs and if anything ever taught that moment that Jamie Foxx,
Speaker 1: you know was it was roast and Doug Williams.
Speaker 2: I'm a funny guy. No nothing my feelings. You could
Speaker 2: pick me off, but you can never hurt my feelings.
Speaker 2: I think that roast was very brutal. Yeah, some of
Speaker 2: that stuff, like some of that stuff, a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't be complaining in today's society. However, I think
Speaker 2: it was funny. Ship. I was rope that that young
Speaker 2: lady missus Glazier, Oh my god, yeah, like I never
Speaker 2: seen that before. She was the best on that roast.
Speaker 2: Andrew Schultz and Kevin harr it was. And listen when
Speaker 2: I was watching it, chilling, I was cracking up and
Speaker 2: like I'm the type that like everyone's emple, Like if
Speaker 2: you and john said sending me right now that we're
Speaker 2: gonna say some jokes. I already know in the laugh moment,
Speaker 2: and now I'm just I just want to see you
Speaker 2: here and see yours hit. I won't be like what
Speaker 2: the fuck like I think, you know, the world we
Speaker 2: live in now is a little bit too sensitive.
Speaker 4: But so seat you're a successful business man, When did
Speaker 4: you start thinking about life at the basketball?
Speaker 5: How did you build you up before?
Speaker 2: Little My father was a drill sergeant, don't know if
Speaker 2: you know. And every time somebody when the NBA did
Speaker 2: something crazy, I would get punished for it. So you know,
Speaker 2: all the guys that would lose their money. He was
Speaker 2: just coming out and he would just go crazy. So
Speaker 2: you know, at nineteen, when all the money was coming in,
Speaker 2: Andrew Johnson said to me, it's okay to you know,
Speaker 2: be famous and do it, do all this stuff. At
Speaker 2: some point you want to start earning, owning things. And
Speaker 2: I didn't know what he meant, so I said, see
Speaker 2: him and said what do you mean by he said, Bro,
Speaker 2: when you retired, he ain't gonna be making the same money.
Speaker 2: So you want to create businesses and you get have
Speaker 2: the same same income. And when he said that, I
Speaker 2: was thinking about one person, my mother. But John probably
Speaker 2: has a similar story. My mom and dad didn't have much.
Speaker 2: We never had a house. We used to go for
Speaker 2: army based army base. They never had their own house.
Speaker 2: I can remember that when I first got drafted, I
Speaker 2: tricked my parents because I had had a very look
Speaker 2: of contract. I think it was forty for seven. So
Speaker 2: we wanted to go a house hunting. So I saw
Speaker 2: this big house and it was only six hundred thousand. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm not bragging on the price, but it was a
Speaker 2: nice big house. So we looked at it. I was like, Mom,
Speaker 2: how do you like this house for me? And she
Speaker 2: said that, baby, it's a little too big, but can
Speaker 2: you afford it. I was like, yeah, we could afford it.
Speaker 2: She said, yeah, you should beat it. When I had
Speaker 2: out of the keys before the key touched her hand,
Speaker 2: it was tears coming out of the face. She's liked
Speaker 2: big one is is like this year house. Maybe we
Speaker 2: can't afford this is paid for already. And that was
Speaker 2: the best feel for me to be able to, you know,
Speaker 2: reward my parents. And then I told my dad opened
Speaker 2: the garage. My boy, he said, that's your car. I
Speaker 2: was like, Nope, it's your car. So no, that's the
Speaker 2: one you got, said bro. We got to say got
Speaker 2: them a black on black and says bend. But you know,
Speaker 2: drill sockers, you will probably only make sixty thousand a year.
Speaker 2: Take the taxi I had forty five thousand a year.
Speaker 2: I had a few five six kids have to feed
Speaker 2: my big ass and get me some big as shoes,
Speaker 2: so they don't really really and having much. So the
Speaker 2: fact that I could do that for them and I'll
Speaker 2: send myself, you know, and I'll retire. I want to
Speaker 2: continue to do that for them, That's awesome.
Speaker 5: That's always about for sure.
Speaker 1: I guess just following up on that Shack, how do
Speaker 1: you do everything?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Now you're on inside one night and then we'll see
Speaker 1: you on social media, be in La and then you'll
Speaker 1: be the next night after that getting your jersey, retiring Orlando.
Speaker 1: So what is like the day in the life of Shack?
Speaker 2: Like, so I wake up and I come here in
Speaker 2: my office and I check my calendar and see what
Speaker 2: I have to do. But they answered you a question,
Speaker 2: same thing you and John doing that delegation. So we
Speaker 2: all can do a podcast by ourself, but we know
Speaker 2: guys like you and really serviously to it. We have
Speaker 2: to partner up with people like that, so you know
Speaker 2: hold like for example, they have all shoe company, but
Speaker 2: I really our partner of the guy has shoe company
Speaker 2: factory designed and then we just do a joint ventureship.
Speaker 2: I think that that would be the easiest way for
Speaker 2: athletes to conduct business. You know, we'd like to come
Speaker 2: in and do things ourselves. There's no way we could
Speaker 2: play playoffs, fly out of China. Look at this MeeGo
Speaker 2: four lockers. So you have to you know, so you
Speaker 2: have to delegate your time a lot.
Speaker 1: That's dope.
Speaker 5: What piece of advice that with you the most of
Speaker 5: your journey or why.
Speaker 2: Before he succeeds, you must first learn to fail. No,
Speaker 2: I'm probably the only legend that got swept six times
Speaker 2: than so. Yeah, I got swept six times, got swept
Speaker 2: in the finals in Orlando, and Kobe got swept three
Speaker 2: years in a row when we first got to l
Speaker 2: a uh. I got got swept another time and another time.
Speaker 2: But I can after the Bulls beat the Orlando Magic
Speaker 2: in ninety six, I'm walking off the corn like Michael said,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan before he succeeded, you most first one to fail.
Speaker 2: So I wrote it down. I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is Mike talking about? And then I'll just go back
Speaker 2: and watch all these other guys and the Detroit series
Speaker 2: and Boston's was like, man, I had to take those
Speaker 2: bumps and bruises before they got a bob And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, so that was the biggest quote there,
Speaker 2: you know, stuff with.
Speaker 1: Shack. I read a recent poll that you are literally
Speaker 1: the most recognizable person on the planet. What what do
Speaker 1: you have to say to that? And do you think
Speaker 1: there's anyone else besides you that's maybe the most recognizable.
Speaker 2: My mother caught me being arrogant one day when she
Speaker 2: said something, of course you nothing will be nice, and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, She's right. I don't
Speaker 2: want no bef I don't want no problems, and fifty
Speaker 2: years old, I haven't been through all that. Meet me
Speaker 2: over the here, let's catch a fad. No come at
Speaker 2: the fifty sixty, No, come at sixty seventy. So I
Speaker 2: just try to make people happy and trying to make
Speaker 2: people smile and you know when I'm doing my job. No,
Speaker 2: we criticize a lot. But if you listen to my criticism,
Speaker 2: listen a little bit of information around, you know, like
Speaker 2: I might say, like, for example, Cat needs to play well.
Speaker 2: He didn't play well last night. He needs to, you know,
Speaker 2: stop shooting the three go to the post. You know,
Speaker 2: A real person that understands this thing of oves to
Speaker 2: do that. Oh, he's telling me what I need to do.
Speaker 2: A person that doesn't listen. Over all, the game is different.
Speaker 2: We don't do that anymore. And then you keep going
Speaker 2: back and forth, and then the old shockgn't like that. No,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what you have to do, because remember
Speaker 2: I had to cheat fourteen classification? Big man. You know
Speaker 2: I haven't played your position, but I played with guys,
Speaker 2: but they're like check, give me four or five touches
Speaker 2: in the post and watch me go to work. And
Speaker 2: then I became the guy at the and I would
Speaker 2: die and the easy bets like, you know, I play
Speaker 2: with that horse who you know can go on the
Speaker 2: post is sixteen and you know, score anything you want.
Speaker 2: So I try not to sound like I'm hating when
Speaker 2: I am criticized.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a spicy fallow up? What about with
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp? What about what's going on with that right now?
Speaker 2: I just I just think in order to talk about
Speaker 2: certain things you have to have G fourteen classification. And
Speaker 2: not only that, when when you when you talk, just
Speaker 2: make it make sense. Yeah, when you say you don't
Speaker 2: take it seriously, Well don't I have three retired jersey
Speaker 2: as well, I have two statues. Well I don't have
Speaker 2: four balls standing right behind me. So if that's not,
Speaker 2: oh those are aemies. Excuse me. But if I don't
Speaker 2: take it seriously like I don't, and then don't don't
Speaker 2: talk like you know me, don't don't don't talk like
Speaker 2: you know me. He didn't take it seriously, and he
Speaker 2: had a lot of injuries. My arm broke twice, se
Speaker 2: six weeks, six weeks, I had knee andrey I one
Speaker 2: in for a dumkin dude under Cooman, came down, blew
Speaker 2: on my cap to a mix. I tried to dunk
Speaker 2: and and do it help me blow out of sting.
Speaker 2: So I ain't never had no out of shape hamshring injury.
Speaker 2: So don't just be talking when you don't have that
Speaker 2: G fourteen classification. And again you talk about you know,
Speaker 2: I'm envious of the Joker. I'm not envious on anybody.
Speaker 2: Do you know what it takes to get me mad?
Speaker 2: I just said, in my opinion, I thought, SGA, so
Speaker 2: you got the m v P. But they they need clicks.
Speaker 2: Some people need clicks sometimes, so they said, oh shock, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not here. That's why when I was talking to
Speaker 2: Joke on my show, you go back to it and
Speaker 2: you can replay the clip and said, Joke, I want
Speaker 2: you to hear from me first, My boy, I want
Speaker 2: you to hear from me first. And this is how
Speaker 2: I'm saying it. I said, hey, you're the best big
Speaker 2: man however I think, and that's all it was. But
Speaker 2: they take it and they take excerpts and oh, shack,
Speaker 2: he already don't like Dwight Howard, you don't like you
Speaker 2: don't like no big man, and they try to make
Speaker 2: it say like I was taking I was just getting
Speaker 2: my opinion, and I'm always getting my opinion, and I'm
Speaker 2: always staying on my opinion whether it's right and wrong,
Speaker 2: and I don't give a fuck. Like's just But again,
Speaker 2: I say, now, Joker is the best big man in
Speaker 2: the league. I've been saying that I've never said anything
Speaker 2: bad about jokers. He plays right away. Love that kid,
Speaker 2: love his family, and you know, people may be mad,
Speaker 2: but hey, that's life. We did it respectfully. You know,
Speaker 2: I could be joking Joker Joker and they be on
Speaker 2: my podcast and did all that I told him, I said,
Speaker 2: and then listen and guess what. Joker was cool? He said, Hey, Shock,
Speaker 2: got your opinion, He laughed. We laughed about it, and
Speaker 2: I said, I said, bro, one thing we're always going
Speaker 2: to do is keep it real because I am the
Speaker 2: leader of the Big Man Alliance, which means I got
Speaker 2: the most defourteen classification and until somebody else get four rings,
Speaker 2: I will never be removed.
Speaker 1: To Well, shack Man, we love you and appreciate you
Speaker 1: for taking the time of talking with us. Good luck
Speaker 1: with the rest of the inside and all that. And
Speaker 1: we hope you see you.
Speaker 2: John Autub Yeah I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just was in Atlanta. They just played this weekend.
Speaker 2: Okay, so me and Kitty putting this thing together where
Speaker 2: like old ANBA guys at a team, we're going to
Speaker 2: put them together.
Speaker 5: To them, I make sure I get a chance we
Speaker 5: would talk about.
Speaker 2: It, all right.
Speaker 3: Cool appreciation a peace, all right.
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Speaker 1: you ready, yep, you know it all right, So this
Speaker 1: first one, the Pacers are now the favorite to win
Speaker 1: the series over the next at minus one twenty, meaning
Speaker 1: if you bet one hundred and twenty dollars in one
Speaker 1: hundred so bucket or brick, the Pacers will win this
Speaker 1: series against the Knicks.
Speaker 5: Bucket.
Speaker 4: I just think they just banged up, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean Jalen Bruns and he's tough dog fighting through his
Speaker 4: right foot injured, I'm not mistaken, and then og been
Speaker 4: out with the Hams drink. Then also losing Mitchell Robinson
Speaker 4: was tough for them, you know, I mean, I think
Speaker 4: they only any of loss. But Datovich, I think after
Speaker 4: game one up before game one, so they only played
Speaker 4: like seven to eight guys, So I think that's catching
Speaker 4: up to him and us.
Speaker 5: They missing some key pieces they helped them.
Speaker 1: And I would even say Tybre's Halliburton is like playing extraordinary.
Speaker 1: What what do you think has been the sort of
Speaker 1: main ingredient to the pacers.
Speaker 4: I think the key for them is a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't speak on it, but t J mcconnley and
Speaker 4: they'll be topping.
Speaker 5: Has really been a difference making this yious to me,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: I mean TJ is coming out the bench, keeping the
Speaker 4: pacing to the game, picking it up, trying to make
Speaker 4: it tough on Jalen Buss as best you can, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean he's gifted and crafty as everything does. But
Speaker 4: I mean one game he came in, I think game
Speaker 4: one he had like twenty points almost in game two
Speaker 4: he played okay, Then game three played well, had another
Speaker 4: big scoring game.
Speaker 5: The last night he had tennis sister.
Speaker 4: I mean, so when those two guys come out, the
Speaker 4: de Bension played well for them, I think that gives
Speaker 4: them that momentum, that energy they need. But I think
Speaker 4: putting E Smith on Jenning Brust, you're not gonna stop them,
Speaker 4: but it's a bigger body, more physical, more athletic than
Speaker 4: them bar and it kind of helped them out a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the TJ McConnell thing, it's like people were saying
Speaker 1: in Game two, if he would have played down the stretch,
Speaker 1: they could have a major chance to close that one out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure, for sure, Yes, it's definitelyn X factor. Okay,
Speaker 1: number two, SJ finished second in the MVP race the season,
Speaker 1: So Bucket or Brick Shaye will win next MVP next year.
Speaker 4: I say Brick, I mean, I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: he should have won this year. That's my opinion. I
Speaker 4: think he should have won it. I mean, like we
Speaker 4: just said, Yoka just the best player in the league,
Speaker 4: the best big man. That means a hell of a talent.
Speaker 4: I think it NB was healthy, he probably would have won.
Speaker 4: You I mean, you never know, but I think Shaye
Speaker 4: deserved it just because they're a numb one team in
Speaker 4: the West. Nobody expected them to be as good, to
Speaker 4: have a young team, and it would have been dope
Speaker 4: because they coached one Coach of the year. You know,
Speaker 4: me if your coach win coach year, I feel like
Speaker 4: your best players you ain't be Betty Yer. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: I just think next you never know because the way
Speaker 4: a man is playing right now, me and b is
Speaker 4: coming back. You got yogis coming back. Those guys are
Speaker 4: playing high level. You have Luca that's coming back. So
Speaker 4: I just don't know, all right.
Speaker 1: So the next one that Austin Rivers has been making
Speaker 1: headlines for his comments about NBA players being able to
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, So, Bucket or Brick, you could
Speaker 1: have played in the NFL for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely could have played.
Speaker 4: I think if I would have stuck to it when
Speaker 4: I was in high at the middle school, going to
Speaker 4: high school and really put my work ethic tours trying
Speaker 4: to be in there for that player.
Speaker 5: Yeah I could. I mean, I'm I'm fast, I'm athletic,
Speaker 5: I could catch the ball.
Speaker 1: Not say huh, what do you think would be the
Speaker 1: biggest learning curve for you and NBA players crossing over?
Speaker 4: Well, for me, already played football, so it's not really
Speaker 4: too much to learn. It's just really working on my
Speaker 4: craft every day, you know. I mean, like, no matter
Speaker 4: if you played your whole life like, it's the same thing.
Speaker 4: You see some football players that played basketball in high school, right,
Speaker 4: they was good, but what they played in the NBA,
Speaker 4: they probably could, but they didn't put the work after
Speaker 4: the catch out to be an NBA players, So they
Speaker 4: probably got certain things they have to learn and work on.
Speaker 5: It's the same for me.
Speaker 4: If I already played in football before at the high level,
Speaker 4: high school, whatever, I feel like I could have played
Speaker 4: it just so much more.
Speaker 5: You gotta learn. But it's not easy to get there,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? It was that easy. I
Speaker 5: know a lot of guys that's talented basketball and football
Speaker 5: that didn't make it to the pros. I mean, so
Speaker 5: it was that easy. It would be a cake wall.
Speaker 5: But I think we're applate enough to play in that era,
Speaker 5: and they're a playing enough to play in hours.
Speaker 1: If you would have to say an NFL player to
Speaker 1: cross over and play NBA, who who do you think
Speaker 1: would be the best NFL player to cross over? I
Speaker 1: think you can say all the time. Can I think
Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez played some summer league or something like.
Speaker 5: That, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I remember Randy Moss was good. He played with Jason
Speaker 4: Williams in high school. I don't know, man, it's tough.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys that played well. Like I
Speaker 4: didn't know t Higgins was the athletic and play you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But he was good once the
Speaker 4: kid and they just got drafted. The Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Highlights he was hot.
Speaker 4: Lights are crazy. I've seen DeVonta Smith highlight. So you know,
Speaker 4: they all could play ship. We see Ala Iverson play football. Shit,
Speaker 4: he was stay champion.
Speaker 5: So you don't know. You don't never know how it
Speaker 5: would be.
Speaker 4: But I know a lot of guys played so they
Speaker 4: could play if they really put the work towards him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Final one. The draft lottery just happened
Speaker 1: and the Wizards now have the number two picks. So
Speaker 1: Bucket or Brick, the Wizards should take a Kentucky player
Speaker 1: with their first round pick.
Speaker 4: M Ah, I don't know, Robbery, they're both guards. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think they have Jordan Pool right now, they have
Speaker 4: Tids Jones. I say I would love them go high,
Speaker 4: but I say, Brick, I don't think they'll do that.
Speaker 4: I think they got to try to find out if
Speaker 4: they want a center, kind of have a starting center
Speaker 4: right now. I think they used Marvin Bagley a lot
Speaker 4: this year a little bit when they made the trades.
Speaker 4: Koos is therefore Danny obvious their three So I think
Speaker 4: they just got to figure out which way they want
Speaker 4: to go to they want a big man or do
Speaker 4: they want to wing to try to build around and
Speaker 4: make their franchise. So I think it's a big decision
Speaker 4: for them. I mean, they had them one pick on
Speaker 4: me before they had number three pick with Bradley Bill
Speaker 4: and Otto Porter, and we had a couple lottery picks
Speaker 4: earlier after that, and I think this is the highest
Speaker 4: one they got to me U if they drafted Brandon
Speaker 4: outto there, So it's gonna be good. I think they
Speaker 4: got what the kid from France they got. They're supposed
Speaker 4: to be high. They have Alex Carr that could be
Speaker 4: high read share or rob dealing him. I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: So I don't know which way they'll go, but they
Speaker 4: have opportunity to build off what they want to. And
Speaker 4: they got a new front office, I mean not from
Speaker 4: a new front office and all those guys, so whatever
Speaker 4: path they want to build their team off around, they
Speaker 4: can go that way.
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