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Speaker 1: Welcome to Point Game with John Wall and CJ Toldonno

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Speaker 1: presented by DraftKings. Don't forget DraftKings is your home for

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Speaker 1: all the action across the NBA and gets too close

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Speaker 1: to the game. We all love. The Crown is yours guys.

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Speaker 1: Special episode. I'm gonna bring on our guests right now

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Speaker 1: because he is maybe my favorite person of all time.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we were joined by four time NBA champ,

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Speaker 1: three times Finals MVP, fifteen time all start the Big

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Speaker 1: Aristotle himself, Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquille O'Neill on Point Game. Shaquille,

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Speaker 1: how you doing man?

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Speaker 2: First of all, CJ, that guy did a radio voice

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Speaker 2: when you talking to me.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't usually talk like this. I'm like

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Speaker 1: Shack is on. I think I have to, like felt,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: John Wall?

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Speaker 4: So, Ladie, thank you for coming on today. Man, I

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Speaker 4: ain't doing much. Chi how you I'm doing good?

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Speaker 2: Brother? What's happening?

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Speaker 1: Not much? You wanted to have you on the show,

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Speaker 1: and you know, just talk NBA playoffs and then I

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Speaker 1: had a few questions about your story and we just

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Speaker 1: want to talk ball if that's cool with you. Of course,

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Speaker 1: So I know you're on You're on you know TV

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Speaker 1: every night talking to playoffs happening right now. But we

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Speaker 1: wanted to start off the show by talking about the Knicks.

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Speaker 1: You know, they went up to Oh, then they went

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Speaker 1: to Indiana and the Pacers came right back. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask, do you think the Knicks are tired?

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Speaker 1: Do you think TIBs game plan and playing you know,

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Speaker 1: only like seven eight guys and playing them at major

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Speaker 1: run times is affecting them now?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And no, because John will understand what I'm about

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Speaker 2: to say. It's a lot more physical back in our day.

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Speaker 2: I hate going back to our day, but it was

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Speaker 2: way more physical. Like, I don't see how you can

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Speaker 2: just be tired from running pick and rolls other day. No,

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Speaker 2: it ain't really know our flag fowles and I ain't

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Speaker 2: really I don't know, you know. So you know, like

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Speaker 2: I hear a couple of guys talking about physical the game,

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Speaker 2: but that's not really the physical that John and myself

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Speaker 2: were used to. So I don't see how they can

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Speaker 2: be tired. But I like Brunson's response, Hey man, no excuses,

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Speaker 2: we just got to come out, you know, play our game.

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Speaker 2: I really I knew Brunson was nice. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: he was that nice. Mins what John used to do

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Speaker 2: and moms be with a AI did a guy that

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Speaker 2: was very small, but just you know post up the

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Speaker 2: fadeaways getting to the lane, absorb a lot of contact

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Speaker 2: and you know he's he's he's doing very well. Well.

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Speaker 2: Man been lighting it up too, Uh Spanish cat that

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Speaker 2: was a golden state what was his name? Lighting up?

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Speaker 5: But he going back to like he had the National

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Speaker 5: championship game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he fired. Just listen. Both teamers did what they're

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Speaker 2: supposed to do. They want it home. I really liked

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Speaker 2: Tyree's Holiberry. I like his game. I like the way

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Speaker 2: that that team was playing. The game three almost let

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Speaker 2: it get away, but you know game four that they

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Speaker 2: came back and they played with more desperation in the

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Speaker 2: next thing and they just blew him out. But as

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Speaker 2: we all know, this next game is the most important

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Speaker 2: game was important, and like I needs to hear that

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Speaker 2: a lot in the playoffs, and I'm sure you did too,

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Speaker 2: Gent we need this game just like the most. But

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Speaker 2: this game five, with three games left, I think the

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Speaker 2: team that wins this game is the team that's gonna

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Speaker 2: win the series.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's mostly I go. You know, whoever win Game

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Speaker 4: five was two too. They usually win the whole series.

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Speaker 4: And like you said, I think the Knicks I don't

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Speaker 4: like it's not that physical. I just think they're not playing.

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Speaker 4: They played guys, they play a lot, but you know,

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Speaker 4: Og going down really hurt them a lot. I mean

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Speaker 4: Og is a big piece of their team, and there

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Speaker 4: was twenty six and five when he played, and I

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Speaker 4: think just Haliber when he's been aggressive. Since Game one,

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Speaker 4: he's been more aggressive, and their team goes how he goes.

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Speaker 4: So when he's aggressive, they're tough to deal with.

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Speaker 5: I think it goes. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Before I had it going six to seven, but I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I think Indiana might get it in six.

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Speaker 4: If they can win in that game, that'll be nice.

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Speaker 4: So last night we saw Dinner Top of series too too.

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Speaker 4: Who you think we're in that series?

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Speaker 5: And why?

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Speaker 4: Because I know when we've seen what happened with Minnesota

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Speaker 4: the first two games, we're like, oh shit, it's getting bad.

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Speaker 2: Kat is the key and went crazy last night with

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Speaker 2: forty something and Cat had a thismal game. You know,

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Speaker 2: they can both play well like they did in game

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Speaker 2: one and two. It'll be tough for Denver. Listen, you're

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Speaker 2: not gonna stop joking jokers. He's a he's he's he's different.

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Speaker 2: You know, we can't let Jamal get off. So again,

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Speaker 2: I just said forty two seconds ago, this next game

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Speaker 2: is gonna be most important. I like I like the

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Speaker 2: young fella, and because he reminds me of us old

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Speaker 2: school players talk smack. And you know, I was watching

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Speaker 2: at the end of the game when he was talking

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Speaker 2: to Jamal, and we actually on TNTs. I had I

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Speaker 2: told his ass say I like that, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: I know he's gonna be ready. But if Kat can,

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Speaker 2: if Kat can give me a thirty something and give

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Speaker 2: me a thirty something, I still let in Minnesota. But

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Speaker 2: we can never count out the champs. They woke up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I need I think Catney to be like like

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Speaker 4: the series he was against Phoens, he was posting up

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Speaker 4: KD a lot when they going smaller guys on them

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Speaker 4: with Michael Porter and Carwell Pope. He has to post

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Speaker 4: up more. Yeah, and I think he's standing on the

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Speaker 4: perimitive a little too much. And they kind of go

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Speaker 4: back to what we said and I are the physicality

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Speaker 4: to make them get double teams, to open up over

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Speaker 4: shots for those other guys, because's gonna be man.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: He's been aggressives, being spent tackling all playoffs and he's

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Speaker 5: He's talking his ship and he wants all to smoke.

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Speaker 2: And I hate when cats you got to get in

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Speaker 2: and drive and be flailing looking for a car bro

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Speaker 2: just taking one or two jewels and just go up

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Speaker 2: from just go apart. But you know, he uh, he's

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Speaker 2: the key. And you know, whenever we have whenever you

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Speaker 2: have one two punch, if you want to go far,

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Speaker 2: the one and the two have to play well playoffs.

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Speaker 2: That's that's unfortunate. You know a lot of teams have

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Speaker 2: come in on any night and play well. But in

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Speaker 2: all for Minnesota get to the next level, they have

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Speaker 2: to play well. And the nas read that's you know,

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Speaker 2: kicking and you know all the others have to kick

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Speaker 2: in no shack.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you if Yokic goes out and leads

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Speaker 1: them to close the series on the next two games,

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Speaker 1: do you think your opinion and your stance on Yokic

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Speaker 1: form MVP changes a little bit, no.

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Speaker 2: Because I was always taught that the MVP is a

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Speaker 2: regular seasonal war. So you know, I like that, And

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Speaker 2: I hate when people act like they don't hear me

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Speaker 2: when I speak clearly, when I see the reason why

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Speaker 2: I told Joker man the man, because you know, when

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Speaker 2: you say things, everybody want to get in and twisted,

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Speaker 2: and the first thing I want to say, you're the

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Speaker 2: best big man in the league. But this is no

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Speaker 2: disrespect to you. I want to tell you here so

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Speaker 2: people ain't twitting out words. I thought SGA should have

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Speaker 2: got to do V That's that's not a disc. That's cool,

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Speaker 2: that's called real You John, You my guy. But I

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Speaker 2: think DEEPH. Curry got better handled. That ain't a distant

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Speaker 2: John John, you my guy, But I think a spell

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Speaker 2: Away jump higher than you. That's not a disc. That's

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Speaker 2: just how But you know, you know, you get all

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Speaker 2: these ears that don't want to get on that little

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Speaker 2: platform and you don't make a name for this ulf

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Speaker 2: and trying to trist my words, like when they say

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Speaker 2: I don't like all big men, I don't. But I

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Speaker 2: like Joker I like him be and I don't think

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Speaker 2: I have to say anything bad about Joker because he

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Speaker 2: plays the game in the right way. He keeps his

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Speaker 2: But I think what SGA did, and I'm sticking up

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Speaker 2: for the kid. You know, nobody else is Listen, He's

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Speaker 2: one of fifty players that got thirty points in fifty games.

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Speaker 2: Nobody was talking about Okay. See at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the year. It was Denver, it was Philly, it was Boston.

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Speaker 2: They threw the Lakers in there, the Golden State. Can

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Speaker 2: they make a last run with the Clippers and everybody,

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Speaker 2: all those names, nobody said the name about Okay. Seeing

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Speaker 2: what that kid did was tremendous. Now the fact that

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Speaker 2: he has to start all over and it g's what.

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Speaker 2: It ain't gonna be easy next year because at Man Coming,

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Speaker 2: at Man Coming, you know, Victor coming, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people coming. So this shit's unfortunate when

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Speaker 2: you work hard like that and then you don't come

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Speaker 2: away with that award. Because I've said this for many years,

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Speaker 2: what is the criteria for most lygule player? You can't

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Speaker 2: say most player, which is a singular award that always

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Speaker 2: include the team. I think that I think it should

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Speaker 2: be if your team is one through eight, you can

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Speaker 2: be concerned in m v P. John and myself know,

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Speaker 2: MVP means the baddest motherfucker in the league period.

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Speaker 4: For sure, that's what And I'm glad you brought it

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Speaker 4: up because I was like the criteria. I'm like, for

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Speaker 4: one day, I always said it was winning. They always said,

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Speaker 4: have these numbers, but that's not it. That's not MVP.

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Speaker 4: That means I'm not the most valued player to my team.

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Speaker 4: And what Shade did. Everybody had them as a playing team.

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Speaker 4: Nobody had them finish in top three, top two in

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Speaker 4: the West, and they go out there and get the

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Speaker 4: number one seed. And what he did every night, he's

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Speaker 4: the go to guy down the stretch. He got those

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Speaker 4: young guys to play at a high level with the

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Speaker 4: youngest team in the league. So for sure, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, YO want to congratulations. Like you said, he's

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Speaker 4: the badest motherfucking the game. We're not taking away from them,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like Edgy should have been MVP this league.

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Speaker 4: And there's nothing against Yokuss, nothing against none of the

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Speaker 4: other guys. Because if I feel like if m B

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Speaker 4: would have been healthy, he probably would have won it.

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Speaker 5: The numbers he was putting.

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Speaker 2: There and then and then you could tell the voters

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Speaker 2: the voters don't know what they're doing. I may have

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Speaker 2: fifteen votes, really that she had fifteen votes? Come on, bro,

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Speaker 2: So how far? How far you think a man can

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Speaker 2: go in his league? Really far? I think if they

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Speaker 2: continue to put the right pieces around him, and you know,

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Speaker 2: he just keeps playing the way he plays. Listen, the

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Speaker 2: kid is a nice looking kid. He is a great

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Speaker 2: personal out here. I know he's gonna go over there

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Speaker 2: and do work in the Olympics or something. He's just

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Speaker 2: making his name for so you know, because you know,

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Speaker 2: so it's not really a big market, but you know,

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Speaker 2: because he's he's on the team, they're probably gonna get way, way, way,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let him be into Okay, Shack. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: You know, we don't really have any information on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, can you also just speak on like how you

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Speaker 4: For sure, that's the best show in business. Man, y'all

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Speaker 4: We was up there joking in the back. I was like,

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Speaker 5: And what's the benefits of the lottery.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who's out there, but you know they're

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Speaker 2: let's just play. But I would like to see a

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Speaker 5: So but in.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta, so GM John Wall, do you keep Trey and

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Speaker 4: I think they made the trade with to Jonte just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you think pop Pop won't let them shoot

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Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, sometimes we need some control.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes we need to adjustment, you know, sometime we need

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Speaker 2: And when you got two guys competing with each other

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Speaker 2: We want to be a dominate big man. Got average

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Speaker 2: know what, Shack's tired. Then to go to Kobe. You

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Speaker 5: I think I say, you're the most dominant player of

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Speaker 4: You're the last person since Jordan to win scoring title, NBP,

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Speaker 5: Who you think is the most dominant right now?

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Speaker 5: I've seen it back and forth.

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Speaker 5: It was all up to me. I was getting the

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Speaker 2: And then my my response to that is one my

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Speaker 2: And my other response is I don't have to work

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Speaker 2: that fives in the gym. Some people need to do

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Speaker 2: that to get that level. I came in him. Remember

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Speaker 2: I came in him. I didn't come like you know

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Speaker 2: I did what I did. And let's see three retired jerseys,

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Speaker 2: two statues. We see them balls behind me. So how

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should take a step. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: I've never had that never had that. Like as a youngster,

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Speaker 2: on my college team. I wasn't the best player on

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Speaker 2: none of my great teams. You telling me I'm better

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Speaker 2: you tell me I'm better than the Way No. So

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Speaker 2: I wasn't looking to be the best. I was looking

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Speaker 5: And I just hit, yeah, they got to respect it.

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Speaker 4: They're like a lot of people with your resume and

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Speaker 4: you know, because most people coming I got to be

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Speaker 5: I gotta be the best.

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Speaker 4: And your mindset was I'm gonna be the most dominant

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Speaker 4: and it's still gonna help my team win.

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Speaker 2: So who can stand that I'm disappointed. I miss a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, about fifty thousand times.

435
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 2: I missed ten downard free throws. Let's say act they

436
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 2: go thirty two thousand there, and.

437
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 4: Then they probably want to found you as much more

438
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 4: so than you would have more found me.

439
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 2: Bro No, I don't know, but again that's the only

440
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 2: thing that that's that obsessed me by my leg is

441
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 2: as you know, when it's going, you can never get

442
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 2: it back. So I missed ten thousand free throws, So

443
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: just give me three thousand off of that, that'd have

444
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: been thirty one thousand points. And then that's two hundred

445
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: and fifty games due to injury. You know, I got

446
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: my hand broke twice, knee stummach, and so two hundred

447
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: and fifty that twenty that's another five donald points I

448
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 2: would have been. I'd have been thirty six thousand, probably

449
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: have been probably been. That's the only thing I'm upset about,

450
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 2: all that he didn't work hard.

451
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you talked, you talked about your My

452
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 4: ration for candis Parking. You spoke very high of her

453
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 4: and all that she did for the game when she

454
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 4: received announci.

455
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 5: She is a.

456
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 2: Beautiful person inside so humble, loves the game. She's like us.

457
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 2: She talks that talk, she walks that walk, and she

458
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: plays with that and that's it. Beautiful girl and just

459
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 2: you know, played, just just played so hard, and you

460
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: know she wanted to be the best. And I actually

461
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: saw her documentary with what he and Pat Summer went

462
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,239
Speaker 2: through in ut never knew that happened. But I can

463
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: see where she gets a tougher love. She's she's tough

464
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: because she's from Chicago, but you know, you had an

465
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: element like that Pat Summer and all the things she

466
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: did at Tennessee. Candace has been a beast since they.

467
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: Were I think she's about to have you know, when

468
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: you retire. When Chuck retired, everyone was like, well, great players,

469
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: will see what they do next. But like then, you

470
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: know you've gone in this insane run as a media personality,

471
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: as a businessman, and Chuck same thing. You know, I

472
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: think we're about to see that. We're seeing the beginning

473
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: of Candice in that sort of era.

474
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, she you know sky as a level I think

475
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: she was just named President of Women to do his

476
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: basketball and she was a she was a very bright

477
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: young lady. Stuff. She can actually do whatever she wants

478
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: to do.

479
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: Shack. I wanted to ask you about this because everyone

480
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: was raving over the Tom Brady roast that happened about

481
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: a week ago. But I don't know know a lot

482
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: of people remember you've had roast for years. So I

483
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: wanted to know what you thought of the Tom Brady

484
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: ROAs and if anything ever taught that moment that Jamie Foxx,

485
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: you know was it was roast and Doug Williams.

486
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm a funny guy. No nothing my feelings. You could

487
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: pick me off, but you can never hurt my feelings.

488
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: I think that roast was very brutal. Yeah, some of

489
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: that stuff, like some of that stuff, a lot of

490
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: people don't be complaining in today's society. However, I think

491
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: it was funny. Ship. I was rope that that young

492
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: lady missus Glazier, Oh my god, yeah, like I never

493
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: seen that before. She was the best on that roast.

494
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: Andrew Schultz and Kevin harr it was. And listen when

495
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: I was watching it, chilling, I was cracking up and

496
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: like I'm the type that like everyone's emple, Like if

497
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 2: you and john said sending me right now that we're

498
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: gonna say some jokes. I already know in the laugh moment,

499
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: and now I'm just I just want to see you

500
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: here and see yours hit. I won't be like what

501
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: the fuck like I think, you know, the world we

502
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: live in now is a little bit too sensitive.

503
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: But so seat you're a successful business man, When did

504
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 4: you start thinking about life at the basketball?

505
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 5: How did you build you up before?

506
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: Little My father was a drill sergeant, don't know if

507
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: you know. And every time somebody when the NBA did

508
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: something crazy, I would get punished for it. So you know,

509
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: all the guys that would lose their money. He was

510
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: just coming out and he would just go crazy. So

511
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, at nineteen, when all the money was coming in,

512
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: Andrew Johnson said to me, it's okay to you know,

513
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: be famous and do it, do all this stuff. At

514
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: some point you want to start earning, owning things. And

515
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know what he meant, so I said, see

516
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 2: him and said what do you mean by he said, Bro,

517
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 2: when you retired, he ain't gonna be making the same money.

518
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: So you want to create businesses and you get have

519
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: the same same income. And when he said that, I

520
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: was thinking about one person, my mother. But John probably

521
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: has a similar story. My mom and dad didn't have much.

522
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: We never had a house. We used to go for

523
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: army based army base. They never had their own house.

524
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: I can remember that when I first got drafted, I

525
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: tricked my parents because I had had a very look

526
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: of contract. I think it was forty for seven. So

527
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: we wanted to go a house hunting. So I saw

528
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: this big house and it was only six hundred thousand. Man,

529
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 2: I'm not bragging on the price, but it was a

530
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: nice big house. So we looked at it. I was like, Mom,

531
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: how do you like this house for me? And she

532
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: said that, baby, it's a little too big, but can

533
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: you afford it. I was like, yeah, we could afford it.

534
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: She said, yeah, you should beat it. When I had

535
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: out of the keys before the key touched her hand,

536
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 2: it was tears coming out of the face. She's liked

537
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: big one is is like this year house. Maybe we

538
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: can't afford this is paid for already. And that was

539
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: the best feel for me to be able to, you know,

540
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: reward my parents. And then I told my dad opened

541
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: the garage. My boy, he said, that's your car. I

542
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: was like, Nope, it's your car. So no, that's the

543
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: one you got, said bro. We got to say got

544
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: them a black on black and says bend. But you know,

545
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 2: drill sockers, you will probably only make sixty thousand a year.

546
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: Take the taxi I had forty five thousand a year.

547
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: I had a few five six kids have to feed

548
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: my big ass and get me some big as shoes,

549
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: so they don't really really and having much. So the

550
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: fact that I could do that for them and I'll

551
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: send myself, you know, and I'll retire. I want to

552
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: continue to do that for them, That's awesome.

553
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 5: That's always about for sure.

554
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: I guess just following up on that Shack, how do

555
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: you do everything?

556
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 5: You know?

557
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: Now you're on inside one night and then we'll see

558
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: you on social media, be in La and then you'll

559
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: be the next night after that getting your jersey, retiring Orlando.

560
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: So what is like the day in the life of Shack?

561
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Like, so I wake up and I come here in

562
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: my office and I check my calendar and see what

563
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: I have to do. But they answered you a question,

564
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: same thing you and John doing that delegation. So we

565
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: all can do a podcast by ourself, but we know

566
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: guys like you and really serviously to it. We have

567
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: to partner up with people like that, so you know

568
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: hold like for example, they have all shoe company, but

569
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: I really our partner of the guy has shoe company

570
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: factory designed and then we just do a joint ventureship.

571
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: I think that that would be the easiest way for

572
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: athletes to conduct business. You know, we'd like to come

573
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: in and do things ourselves. There's no way we could

574
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: play playoffs, fly out of China. Look at this MeeGo

575
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: four lockers. So you have to you know, so you

576
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: have to delegate your time a lot.

577
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: That's dope.

578
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 5: What piece of advice that with you the most of

579
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 5: your journey or why.

580
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: Before he succeeds, you must first learn to fail. No,

581
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm probably the only legend that got swept six times

582
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: than so. Yeah, I got swept six times, got swept

583
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: in the finals in Orlando, and Kobe got swept three

584
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: years in a row when we first got to l

585
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: a uh. I got got swept another time and another time.

586
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: But I can after the Bulls beat the Orlando Magic

587
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: in ninety six, I'm walking off the corn like Michael said,

588
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan before he succeeded, you most first one to fail.

589
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: So I wrote it down. I'm like, what the fuck

590
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: is Mike talking about? And then I'll just go back

591
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: and watch all these other guys and the Detroit series

592
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: and Boston's was like, man, I had to take those

593
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: bumps and bruises before they got a bob And I

594
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: was like, oh, so that was the biggest quote there,

595
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, stuff with.

596
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: Shack. I read a recent poll that you are literally

597
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: the most recognizable person on the planet. What what do

598
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: you have to say to that? And do you think

599
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: there's anyone else besides you that's maybe the most recognizable.

600
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: My mother caught me being arrogant one day when she

601
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: said something, of course you nothing will be nice, and

602
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, She's right. I don't

603
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: want no bef I don't want no problems, and fifty

604
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: years old, I haven't been through all that. Meet me

605
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: over the here, let's catch a fad. No come at

606
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: the fifty sixty, No, come at sixty seventy. So I

607
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: just try to make people happy and trying to make

608
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: people smile and you know when I'm doing my job. No,

609
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: we criticize a lot. But if you listen to my criticism,

610
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: listen a little bit of information around, you know, like

611
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: I might say, like, for example, Cat needs to play well.

612
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: He didn't play well last night. He needs to, you know,

613
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: stop shooting the three go to the post. You know,

614
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: A real person that understands this thing of oves to

615
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: do that. Oh, he's telling me what I need to do.

616
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: A person that doesn't listen. Over all, the game is different.

617
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: We don't do that anymore. And then you keep going

618
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: back and forth, and then the old shockgn't like that. No,

619
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what you have to do, because remember

620
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: I had to cheat fourteen classification? Big man. You know

621
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: I haven't played your position, but I played with guys,

622
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: but they're like check, give me four or five touches

623
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: in the post and watch me go to work. And

624
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: then I became the guy at the and I would

625
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: die and the easy bets like, you know, I play

626
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: with that horse who you know can go on the

627
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: post is sixteen and you know, score anything you want.

628
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: So I try not to sound like I'm hating when

629
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: I am criticized.

630
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: Can I ask a spicy fallow up? What about with

631
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp? What about what's going on with that right now?

632
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: I just I just think in order to talk about

633
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: certain things you have to have G fourteen classification. And

634
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: not only that, when when you when you talk, just

635
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: make it make sense. Yeah, when you say you don't

636
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: take it seriously, Well don't I have three retired jersey

637
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: as well, I have two statues. Well I don't have

638
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: four balls standing right behind me. So if that's not,

639
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: oh those are aemies. Excuse me. But if I don't

640
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: take it seriously like I don't, and then don't don't

641
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: talk like you know me, don't don't don't talk like

642
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: you know me. He didn't take it seriously, and he

643
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: had a lot of injuries. My arm broke twice, se

644
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: six weeks, six weeks, I had knee andrey I one

645
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: in for a dumkin dude under Cooman, came down, blew

646
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: on my cap to a mix. I tried to dunk

647
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: and and do it help me blow out of sting.

648
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: So I ain't never had no out of shape hamshring injury.

649
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: So don't just be talking when you don't have that

650
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Speaker 2: G fourteen classification. And again you talk about you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm envious of the Joker. I'm not envious on anybody.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what it takes to get me mad?

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Speaker 2: I just said, in my opinion, I thought, SGA, so

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Speaker 2: you got the m v P. But they they need clicks.

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Speaker 2: Some people need clicks sometimes, so they said, oh shock, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not here. That's why when I was talking to

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Speaker 2: Joke on my show, you go back to it and

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Speaker 2: you can replay the clip and said, Joke, I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear from me first, My boy, I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear from me first. And this is how

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it. I said, hey, you're the best big

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Speaker 2: man however I think, and that's all it was. But

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Speaker 2: they take it and they take excerpts and oh, shack,

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Speaker 2: he already don't like Dwight Howard, you don't like you

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Speaker 2: don't like no big man, and they try to make

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Speaker 2: it say like I was taking I was just getting

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Speaker 2: my opinion, and I'm always getting my opinion, and I'm

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Speaker 2: always staying on my opinion whether it's right and wrong,

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Speaker 2: and I don't give a fuck. Like's just But again,

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Speaker 2: I say, now, Joker is the best big man in

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Speaker 2: the league. I've been saying that I've never said anything

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Speaker 2: bad about jokers. He plays right away. Love that kid,

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Speaker 2: love his family, and you know, people may be mad,

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Speaker 2: but hey, that's life. We did it respectfully. You know,

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Speaker 2: I could be joking Joker Joker and they be on

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Speaker 2: my podcast and did all that I told him, I said,

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Speaker 2: and then listen and guess what. Joker was cool? He said, Hey, Shock,

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Speaker 2: got your opinion, He laughed. We laughed about it, and

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Speaker 2: I said, I said, bro, one thing we're always going

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Speaker 2: to do is keep it real because I am the

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Speaker 2: leader of the Big Man Alliance, which means I got

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Speaker 2: the most defourteen classification and until somebody else get four rings,

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Speaker 2: I will never be removed.

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Speaker 1: To Well, shack Man, we love you and appreciate you

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Speaker 1: for taking the time of talking with us. Good luck

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Speaker 1: with the rest of the inside and all that. And

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Speaker 1: we hope you see you.

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Speaker 2: John Autub Yeah I do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I just was in Atlanta. They just played this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so me and Kitty putting this thing together where

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Speaker 2: like old ANBA guys at a team, we're going to

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Speaker 2: put them together.

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Speaker 5: To them, I make sure I get a chance we

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Speaker 5: would talk about.

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Speaker 2: It, all right.

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Speaker 3: Cool appreciation a peace, all right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to point Game with John Walling, CJ. Tolaldonad

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Speaker 1: has come to that time of the episode where we're

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Speaker 1: gonna play a little bit of a bucket brick. So

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Speaker 1: you ready, yep, you know it all right, So this

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Speaker 1: first one, the Pacers are now the favorite to win

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Speaker 1: the series over the next at minus one twenty, meaning

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Speaker 1: if you bet one hundred and twenty dollars in one

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Speaker 1: hundred so bucket or brick, the Pacers will win this

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Speaker 1: series against the Knicks.

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Speaker 5: Bucket.

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Speaker 4: I just think they just banged up, you know, I

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Speaker 4: mean Jalen Bruns and he's tough dog fighting through his

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Speaker 4: right foot injured, I'm not mistaken, and then og been

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Speaker 4: out with the Hams drink. Then also losing Mitchell Robinson

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Speaker 4: was tough for them, you know, I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: they only any of loss. But Datovich, I think after

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Speaker 4: game one up before game one, so they only played

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Speaker 4: like seven to eight guys, So I think that's catching

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Speaker 4: up to him and us.

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Speaker 5: They missing some key pieces they helped them.

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Speaker 1: And I would even say Tybre's Halliburton is like playing extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: What what do you think has been the sort of

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Speaker 1: main ingredient to the pacers.

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Speaker 4: I think the key for them is a lot of

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Speaker 4: people don't speak on it, but t J mcconnley and

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Speaker 4: they'll be topping.

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Speaker 5: Has really been a difference making this yious to me,

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean TJ is coming out the bench, keeping the

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Speaker 4: pacing to the game, picking it up, trying to make

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Speaker 4: it tough on Jalen Buss as best you can, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's gifted and crafty as everything does. But

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Speaker 4: I mean one game he came in, I think game

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Speaker 4: one he had like twenty points almost in game two

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Speaker 4: he played okay, Then game three played well, had another

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Speaker 4: big scoring game.

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Speaker 5: The last night he had tennis sister.

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Speaker 4: I mean, so when those two guys come out, the

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Speaker 4: de Bension played well for them, I think that gives

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Speaker 4: them that momentum, that energy they need. But I think

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Speaker 4: putting E Smith on Jenning Brust, you're not gonna stop them,

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Speaker 4: but it's a bigger body, more physical, more athletic than

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Speaker 4: them bar and it kind of helped them out a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the TJ McConnell thing, it's like people were saying

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Speaker 1: in Game two, if he would have played down the stretch,

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Speaker 1: they could have a major chance to close that one out.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure, for sure, Yes, it's definitelyn X factor. Okay,

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Speaker 1: number two, SJ finished second in the MVP race the season,

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Speaker 1: So Bucket or Brick Shaye will win next MVP next year.

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Speaker 4: I say Brick, I mean, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 4: he should have won this year. That's my opinion. I

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Speaker 4: think he should have won it. I mean, like we

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Speaker 4: just said, Yoka just the best player in the league,

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Speaker 4: the best big man. That means a hell of a talent.

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Speaker 4: I think it NB was healthy, he probably would have won.

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Speaker 4: You I mean, you never know, but I think Shaye

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Speaker 4: deserved it just because they're a numb one team in

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Speaker 4: the West. Nobody expected them to be as good, to

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Speaker 4: have a young team, and it would have been dope

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Speaker 4: because they coached one Coach of the year. You know,

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Speaker 4: me if your coach win coach year, I feel like

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Speaker 4: your best players you ain't be Betty Yer. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: I just think next you never know because the way

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Speaker 4: a man is playing right now, me and b is

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Speaker 4: coming back. You got yogis coming back. Those guys are

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Speaker 4: playing high level. You have Luca that's coming back. So

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Speaker 4: I just don't know, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the next one that Austin Rivers has been making

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Speaker 1: headlines for his comments about NBA players being able to

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Speaker 1: play in the NFL, So, Bucket or Brick, you could

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Speaker 1: have played in the NFL for sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely could have played.

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Speaker 4: I think if I would have stuck to it when

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Speaker 4: I was in high at the middle school, going to

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Speaker 4: high school and really put my work ethic tours trying

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Speaker 4: to be in there for that player.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I could. I mean, I'm I'm fast, I'm athletic,

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Speaker 5: I could catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: Not say huh, what do you think would be the

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Speaker 1: biggest learning curve for you and NBA players crossing over?

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Speaker 4: Well, for me, already played football, so it's not really

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Speaker 4: too much to learn. It's just really working on my

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Speaker 4: craft every day, you know. I mean, like, no matter

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Speaker 4: if you played your whole life like, it's the same thing.

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Speaker 4: You see some football players that played basketball in high school, right,

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Speaker 4: they was good, but what they played in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: they probably could, but they didn't put the work after

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Speaker 4: the catch out to be an NBA players, So they

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Speaker 4: probably got certain things they have to learn and work on.

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Speaker 5: It's the same for me.

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Speaker 4: If I already played in football before at the high level,

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Speaker 4: high school, whatever, I feel like I could have played

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Speaker 4: it just so much more.

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Speaker 5: You gotta learn. But it's not easy to get there,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean? It was that easy. I

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Speaker 5: know a lot of guys that's talented basketball and football

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Speaker 5: that didn't make it to the pros. I mean, so

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Speaker 5: it was that easy. It would be a cake wall.

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Speaker 5: But I think we're applate enough to play in that era,

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Speaker 5: and they're a playing enough to play in hours.

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Speaker 1: If you would have to say an NFL player to

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Speaker 1: cross over and play NBA, who who do you think

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Speaker 1: would be the best NFL player to cross over? I

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Speaker 1: think you can say all the time. Can I think

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Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez played some summer league or something like.

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Speaker 5: That, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I remember Randy Moss was good. He played with Jason

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Speaker 4: Williams in high school. I don't know, man, it's tough.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys that played well. Like I

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Speaker 4: didn't know t Higgins was the athletic and play you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean. But he was good once the

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Speaker 4: kid and they just got drafted. The Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: Highlights he was hot.

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Speaker 4: Lights are crazy. I've seen DeVonta Smith highlight. So you know,

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Speaker 4: they all could play ship. We see Ala Iverson play football. Shit,

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Speaker 4: he was stay champion.

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Speaker 5: So you don't know. You don't never know how it

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Speaker 5: would be.

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Speaker 4: But I know a lot of guys played so they

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Speaker 4: could play if they really put the work towards him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Final one. The draft lottery just happened

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Speaker 1: and the Wizards now have the number two picks. So

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Speaker 1: Bucket or Brick, the Wizards should take a Kentucky player

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Speaker 1: with their first round pick.

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Speaker 4: M Ah, I don't know, Robbery, they're both guards. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think they have Jordan Pool right now, they have

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Speaker 4: Tids Jones. I say I would love them go high,

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Speaker 4: but I say, Brick, I don't think they'll do that.

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Speaker 4: I think they got to try to find out if

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Speaker 4: they want a center, kind of have a starting center

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Speaker 4: right now. I think they used Marvin Bagley a lot

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Speaker 4: this year a little bit when they made the trades.

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Speaker 4: Koos is therefore Danny obvious their three So I think

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Speaker 4: they just got to figure out which way they want

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Speaker 4: to go to they want a big man or do

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Speaker 4: they want to wing to try to build around and

838
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Speaker 4: make their franchise. So I think it's a big decision

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Speaker 4: for them. I mean, they had them one pick on

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Speaker 4: me before they had number three pick with Bradley Bill

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Speaker 4: and Otto Porter, and we had a couple lottery picks

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Speaker 4: earlier after that, and I think this is the highest

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Speaker 4: one they got to me U if they drafted Brandon

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Speaker 4: outto there, So it's gonna be good. I think they

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Speaker 4: got what the kid from France they got. They're supposed

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Speaker 4: to be high. They have Alex Carr that could be

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Speaker 4: high read share or rob dealing him. I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know which way they'll go, but they

849
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Speaker 4: have opportunity to build off what they want to. And

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Speaker 4: they got a new front office, I mean not from

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Speaker 4: a new front office and all those guys, so whatever

852
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 4: path they want to build their team off around, they

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Speaker 4: can go that way.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's Stipe, all right, John, There's been another

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Speaker 1: episode of Point Game. What do you want to leave

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Speaker 1: the audience with here today?

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Speaker 4: great basketball, and uh, just check out what's going on.

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