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Previously 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: on Wisecrack. 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you a story, right, and it's 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: gonna be one story all the way through. Everything I'm 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: going to tell you is completely true apart from three things. 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 4: There are three lies in this story. 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: So on twenty second of July twenty and fifteen, about 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: half past ten, I leave the gig. I go to 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: my parents' house, wake up about twenty minutes after I 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: fell asleep, and at the end of my bed there 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: is someone standing. It's my mum. She's scared, she's really scared. 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 3: She says the words to me. Whatever you do, do 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: not turn on the lives. Whoever's in the front garden 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: whatever's in the front garden. At this stage, I don't 23 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: know how many people, how many things, what it could be, 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: but my dad is looking at it and he won't 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: go downstairs. Doesn't make sense, so I think, all right, 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm gonna call the police. I find out what's going on. 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 4: I call the police. It rings a couple of times. 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 4: Someone answers. 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: I said, Hey, my name's Ed. I'm calling from forty 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: Benfield Avenue. Someone's banging on our front door. I think 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: it's a drunk but my parents are acting really weird 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: and it's kind of shaken me up. 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: Could you send an officer down just to check this out. 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: On the other end, the phone says, I'm sorry, where. 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: Did you say you were calling from? I said forty 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: Bentfield Avenue, just in sophrom Walden, and the officer says, 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: mister Hedges, we're very aware of the situation. Please barricade 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: yourself inside the house and do not engage with anyone 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 3: you meet. And then they hang up. 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, rude. Fuck. 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: That first night in Edinburgh, my head was spinning and 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't alone. Ed had just started his set like 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: any other stand up comedian, but suddenly we were all 44 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: side eyeing each other in the audience. 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 5: Should we laugh or brace ourselves. 46 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: I walk into the hallway back with my parents and 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 3: I said, guys, I've just called the police, and the 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: acting kind of odd, and my mum does this. I 49 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: go quiet, and I listened, and the banging has stopped, 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: and it's been the rep by the sound of footsteps 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: going down the front of our house and then the 52 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: sound of an old iron gate getting pushed open. I 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: know the iron gate because that's the iron gate I 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: used to use when I come back from the pub 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: drunk with the cricket team. 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: I pushed the iron gate open. 57 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 3: I'd walk down the side of my house into the 58 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: back garden and I would go into the back door 59 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: because the back door is always unlocked. 60 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: The back doors always unlocked, and we can hear them 61 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: through the windows. 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: They go down the side of the house into the 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: back garden, walk up to the back door. They put 64 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: the hand on the door handle and they pull it 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: down and it doesn't go And the second it made 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: that chunk noise, my dad to my mum went, that 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: is why I did that. 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 5: I'm Jody Tovey. 69 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: And this is Wisecrack Episode two who's there. 70 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: There was an incident at this When I was a kid, 71 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: my dad took me to the fair. I've never been 72 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: before because I didn't really have any friends, and he 73 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: took me, my mum and him to the local fair. 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: They're not like your fairs. I've seen it. Your fairs 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 4: you fry everything. Can you throw people in the air. 76 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 4: We don't. We don't do that. We like to have fun. 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 4: And my dad was driving us to the fur. I 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 4: was so excited, and then we pulled over. 79 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 3: In front of my aunt's house and my cousin, Jasper, 80 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: walked out. 81 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: And I was livid because I hate Jasper. We all 82 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 4: hate Jasper. I need you to be on board with me. 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: We hate Jasper. Right, He's such a weird kid. 84 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: He was the kind of kid that would sit on 85 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: the bottom deck of a double decker right live a 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: little twat's so it's so weird. 87 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: I can't explain it. 88 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 3: He's he got into the car and he was wearing 89 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 3: a three piece suit to go to the fair. 90 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 4: Oh. I hate him so much, it makes me stronger. 91 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: We went to the fair. I'm only a couple of 92 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: years older than Jasper. At this point, I'm like turning. 93 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: He's like a and we're looking for something to go on, 94 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: and my dad's getting more and more annoyed. He's like, 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: I've taken a day off work. I've bought these kids 96 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: to the fair, not going on anything. What's the point 97 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: in this. I've had a day of work. I'm losing 98 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: a day's money. What is going on here? And after 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: a little while he kind of erupted. He was like, kids, 100 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: get on a ride. Now, we're going right home. And 101 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: Jasa was like, we'll go on the dodgems. And you 102 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: don't know what the dodgems are. You call them bumper cars, right, cool? 103 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 3: Because you like to bump into them, but we like 104 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: to dodge them. 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 4: We're so similar. 106 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: Which had just stop stop fighting your silly gooses, Ah, 107 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: were called dodgems. 108 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: I got on. 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: I sat down in the bumper car. I was actually 110 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: quite excited. Jaspa setting next to me. He wasn't allowed 111 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: to drive because he's wearing a suit. And the second 112 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: I sit down, I see in front of me is 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: Ryan Goddard. 114 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: Ryan Goddard is Ed's childhood bully who relentlessly tormented him 115 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: all throughout grade school. 116 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: Now, at this point, Ryan Godard has been bullying me 117 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: for about four years. 118 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 4: I'm terrified of him. He's already like good at sport. 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 4: I am shitting my pants. I'm so scared. 120 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: He sees me and starts heading straight for me and 121 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: me and Jasper and I didn't know what to do. 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: So I've realized I had two options. 123 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: Either I bend down, I press the pedal and I 124 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: still around Ryan, or I hit him straight on. I 125 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: know my dad would prefer My dad would prefer me 126 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: to hit him straight on, to do the manly thing 127 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: to be, to be a man, to tackle. 128 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 4: The problem head on. But I wanted to go around him. 129 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: I just didn't want to have the conflict, and it 130 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 3: was an internal struggle for me. I was tossing up 131 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: between hitting him and going around him, Option A, Option B, 132 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: Option A, Option B. In the end, I went for 133 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: option C, which was undo my belt and leave the vehicle. 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: There is not a reality that exists where I can 135 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: describe how hard Jasper got hit by that car. And 136 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: on that day, Jasper lost all of his front teeth. 137 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: He also broke his nose. My dad grabs Jasper, he 138 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: pulls him out of the car. He turns to me, 139 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: and he goes, you're a coward, and he said get 140 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: in the car, and I went right cool. 141 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: We got in the car. He was angry. 142 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: He was angry than he's been for a long time. 143 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: I could feel the heat coming off the back of 144 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: his neck, that kind of anger where people are like 145 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: radiating energy. I sit in the car. Jasper's next to me. 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: His suit is now read. My mum sits in the 147 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: passenger seat. Does it's in the driver's seat. I'm sitting behind. 148 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: We start driving. We're driving at about eighty miles. 149 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: Now. 150 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: My dad's angry and he was mumbling under his breath. 151 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: I could hear what he was mumbling. But he was like, 152 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: why can't he just be normal? Why can't he be 153 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: like the other kids? And my mom said, John, stop it, 154 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: and he said, why can't he be like any of 155 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: the other kids. Tony's boy was there, Ian, he was 156 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: playing sports. Jackie's daughter was there, she was going on 157 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: the slide. Susan's daughter was there. Ran he was like, 158 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: he was there. They were all there, all the normal 159 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: kids were there, and I've got this one. 160 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: I was like, ah shit. 161 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: When you see his set live, you quickly realize Ed 162 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: is actually performing three shows at once. The first show 163 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: is Ed's endearing comedy side splitting stories about growing up chubby, dyslexic, asthmatic, 164 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: and just kind of strange in a small town outside 165 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: of London. The second plot is Ed's retelling of this 166 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: terrifying night when he returned to his childhood village for 167 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: the first time as an adult, years after leaving to 168 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: pursue his dreams of stand up comedy. After Ed finished 169 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: his show, he had a few pints with old friends, 170 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: walked back to his childhood home and passed out in 171 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: his small bedroom until he was awoken by his parents 172 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: and the violent knocking of an intruder trying to get 173 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: into the front door. 174 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 3: And then we hear them walk back up the pathway 175 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: into the front garden and it goes quiet. 176 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: But there is a third show going on. When he's 177 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: on stage. It's what Ed is not telling you. He's 178 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: already warned us that there are three lies built into 179 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: the show, and at this point in the set he's 180 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: only divulged one, but you can sense there's something yet 181 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: to be revealed. 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: And my mom tells to my dad and she says, 183 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: I think they've gone, And as she starts to say, 184 00:09:53,679 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: like the g in gone. The sound of someone drop 185 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: kicking our front door comes. First kick smashes the glass, 186 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: second kick, the wood starts to break. My mom grabs 187 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: me and my dad and pushes us into the toilet, 188 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: shuts the door behind us, she locks it. 189 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: She's fully crying. At this point. 190 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: She turns around to me and she says, Edward, promise 191 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: me you won't leave, promising you'll stay here. This is 192 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: the only room that has a lock and running water. 193 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: We'll be safe if we're just saying here. The sound 194 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: is getting louder. The wood is breaking. We can hear it. 195 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: Whoever's outside is breaking down the door. We can hear 196 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 3: it falling to pieces. My mum is crying, HI am panicking. 197 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: My dad is sitting on the floor. And then I 198 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: realize it. I look at my dad and I realize it. 199 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: Why I couldn't get a grasp on what he was doing. 200 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: He was scared. How fucked is that? It's like twenty 201 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: three years old, and I just realized that my dad 202 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: was scared the first time in my life. 203 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: Here's this unit of a man. I'd never seen him 204 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: scared before. He is terrified. He can't control the situation. 205 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: He's lost control completely. He is so scared. And this 206 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: wall of a man, this thing that used to terrify me, 207 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 3: covered an eggshells. I had to step around for the 208 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: first time in my life, showed a bit of weakness, 209 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: and I can't think of what's outside because I'm just 210 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: looking at him, thinking, you're like a human man. The 211 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 3: noise is getting more and more, and Mum's having a 212 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: full panic attack. She has a condition called angina. Her 213 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 3: heart is going to brickly. And just before the door 214 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: gets broken in, we hear a helicopter and then we 215 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: see the lights of police cars pulling onto our street. 216 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: The banging stops. It goes quiet again in the village, 217 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: and then a polite knock comes from the front door. 218 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: It's the creepiest thing. All this banging and then just 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: a polite knock courtesy freaked me out. We didn't answer it, 220 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: and then Mom gets a phone call. She stands up, 221 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 3: she unlocks the door, she goes downstairs. My dad stands up. 222 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: He follows her. I stand up and I walk into 223 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: the bedroom. I tell my parents it's because I'm tired 224 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: and I can't be asked. In actual fact, I'm having 225 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 3: a full panic attack for the first time in my life. 226 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 4: I go and lay down in my bed. 227 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: I shut my eyes and I start to count, just 228 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: to try and make yourself go to sleep. 229 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 4: And then I wake up. I wake up. 230 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful day, Sun's out, birds are chopping. I'm 231 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 3: happier than I've ever been because I realize it's just 232 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: a dream. 233 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 4: And then I hear my mom crying downstairs. I think, fuck, 234 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: that's not. 235 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: So. 236 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: I get up. 237 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: I walk downstairs. The blinds are down, all the doors 238 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: are shut. I can't see anything at all. I can't 239 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: see the front door. The TV is off, Mum and 240 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: Dad are on the sofa, Mum's crying, and on the 241 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: coffee table there are pancakes. And I started eating the pancakes. 242 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: And I turned to my dad. I said, what was 243 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: all that last night then? And he didn't answer me. 244 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: He just picked up the TV rote and turned on 245 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: Sky News. And on Sky News is my house. My 246 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: house is covered in police tape, and on the street 247 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: there are a few police officers. And that's how I 248 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 3: learned about what happened on the night for the twenty 249 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: second of July twenty fifteen, between eleven and twelve o'clock 250 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: at night, the twenty three year old man named Ryan Goddard, 251 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: my school bully, had killed his family. He stabbed his 252 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: mother forty two times his stepfather fifty six, using seven 253 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: different blunt knives from the kitchen, and they identified him 254 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: by the shape of his shoeprint left on the side 255 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 3: of his mother's skull. And then he came to my house. 256 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: Things didn't go Ryan's way after I left the village. 257 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: He broke his hip and he couldn't play football anymore. 258 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: He was playing for a semi professional team and he 259 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: had to move home with his family, became a milkman, 260 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: had to knock on people's doors every day. This local 261 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: celebrity is now ankman. 262 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 4: And I knew Susan. She was good. Susan his mum 263 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 4: was a good person. And it's yeah, it's I didn't 264 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: know what to say. I sort of sat there. 265 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: He wants something so bad you can't look left or right, 266 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: and you're just soaking it in. And I wanted to 267 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: make it better. I wanted to to fix it, and 268 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't fix it. But my dad, John, 269 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: the hero of the house man, he saved the day, 270 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: as he always does. He put his hand on my shoulder. 271 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: He put his hand around my mum, and he said, 272 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: it's fine, Okay, we've got each other still, We're alive. 273 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: We're safe thanks to the Titan seventeen windows. Now here's 274 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: a second lie of the show. He did not say that, 275 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: And while I'm at it. 276 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: I'll tell you the third lie. 277 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: The third lie, just so you're aware, is that I've 278 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: changed the names and the places and the people's names just. 279 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: Out of respect for the dead. I thought I was right. 280 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: I think to do. 281 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: We all sort of processed it in different ways. That 282 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: was really interesting to see. So my mum was really healthy. 283 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: She talked to people and like she sawt of support network. 284 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: My dad buried himself in his work, and I immediately 285 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: started gigging again. I buried myself in my work, and 286 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: then I realized I was doing what my dad was doing. 287 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: So I did this. They just kind of pretended it 288 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: never happened. Was I don't know if you've seen hot files, 289 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: but it was genuinely it was like that. They were like, 290 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: don't talk about it, don't report it, lock this shit down. 291 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: And then you'd walk up to me and be like, 292 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: did you hear about the murders? And they'd be like, 293 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: lovely day we're having. 294 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 4: All right. 295 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: One thing I do know, because I'm eternally grateful to 296 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: you all for coming tonight. 297 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: My name is A Hedges. Thank you very much. Listen 298 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: to my story say, and just. 299 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Like that it was over. Ed got a standing up, 300 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: but he didn't stick around for the applause. His face 301 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: lost all expression as he left stage, like he had 302 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: somewhere to be. It was the strangest mic drop I'd 303 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: ever seen. The audience quickly gathered their belongings and slipped 304 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: back into the rain, casually chatting about what they'd just seen. 305 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: But I stayed seated, stunned. Had I really just heard 306 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: a true story of a double homicide wrapped in a 307 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: comedy set, told by a comedian who was almost the 308 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: third victim? 309 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 5: Or did he make the whole thing up? I had 310 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 5: to know. 311 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: I ran out to the stage door to introduce myself, 312 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: but Ed Hedges had long left the venue. The stage 313 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: manager advised me to return the next day to catch 314 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: him before his performance, but I didn't want to wait 315 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: that long. I grabbed a coffee and scoured my phone 316 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: for any trace of Ed Hedges. Most budding comedians have 317 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: big so social media presences, but not Ed. He had 318 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: a single Twitter account and his last post was weeks old. 319 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: I dmmed him anyway, but nothing back. When I googled him, 320 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: I found a lot of promos and press releases, but 321 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: nothing about his hometown. When he was only twenty, Ed 322 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: won the So You Think Your Funny Contest, a British 323 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: comedy competition. He had a few runs at the Soho 324 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Theater in London to great reviews, but his career had 325 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: slumped since then. I searched for the village he mentions. 326 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: And you wouldn't have heard of. It's called Sophomoreton. 327 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: It's a real town, but no double homicide and more curious, 328 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: Ed never specifically says where he's from in interviews, like 329 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: he's going out of his way to keep his past unclear. 330 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: You're not going to be able to google this one. 331 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: I've hidden it well enough that you won't be able 332 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: to find anything. 333 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Despite trying for hours, I couldn't find anything. So the 334 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: next day I went back to his show, and this 335 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: time I recorded it on my iPhone seven. Apologies for 336 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: the sound quality, but this is the first time I 337 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: ever captured Ed's performance. 338 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 5: Red Blooded Colored Comics is going to be like, Hey, 339 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: wasn't it drue to come? 340 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 4: I'm not, how answered. 341 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: The show was almost identical to the night before. Some 342 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: names changed, but every sharp line written and performed with 343 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: an intentional vagueness. 344 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 4: That night in twenty three year old Whale and Christian 345 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 4: Gotd had killed his. 346 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: Family, And this time I darted to the stage door 347 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: when Ed's set came down. In fact, I think I 348 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: scared him a little. I stuck out my hand told 349 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: him I was a television producer specializing in true crime, 350 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: and I would like to talk to him about his show. 351 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: Immediately Ed became dismissive, eyes down, shuffling his feet, looking 352 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: for an excuse to leave the conversation. Ed said he 353 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: needed to prepare for his next set, but perhaps intrigued 354 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: by something I said, we exchanged numbers and planned to 355 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: meet for a drink after his last show. As he 356 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: reached for the stage door, I lobbed one last question, Hey, 357 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: can you at least tell me the name of your bully? 358 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: He glanced around to see if anyone was listening, looked 359 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: back at me, and quietly said Brett Rogers. That simple 360 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: name unlocked everything for me. 361 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: They found the lifeless body of Gillian Phillips fifty four, 362 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: slumped on the sofa and covered in her own. 363 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: Repeatedly stabbed and caused a fatal head injury to David Oaks, 364 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: who had stayed with her overnight. Since the death of 365 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: a woman and a man in stanced at Mount Fidgett 366 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: had been opened. 367 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: With the name Brett Rogers, I could almost confirm everything 368 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: that happened that terrible night, not in Saffron, Morgan, but 369 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: in a small town called Stansteae, Mount Fitchett, thirty five 370 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: miles northeast of London. Even more fascinating, everything that Ed 371 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: said on stage about the murders themselves was true, verifiable, 372 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: right down to the amount of stab wounds found on 373 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: Brett's mother's body. Missus Phillips suffered at least forty one 374 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: stab wounds to the head, neck and torso, plus fourteen 375 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: blunt force injuries and defensive wounds. 376 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: She was pronounced dead at the scene. 377 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: The number of articles published in the wake of the 378 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: murders were in the dozens, but they all reported the 379 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: same scant superficial facts. Since Ed had moved away from Stanstead, 380 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: Brett's life had fallen apart. With few job opportunities, Brett 381 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: took a job as the local milkman, delivering fresh dairy 382 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: to lifelong neighbors, who were all aware of his downfall. 383 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: He was constantly in trouble with the law, everything from 384 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: drug use to violent fights, and eventually landed himself in 385 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: prison for three years. When he was released, he had 386 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: nowhere to live except his mother's house, his childhood home, 387 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: the one three doors down from ed. Then came the 388 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: night of July twenty second, twenty fifteen. The terror started 389 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: at nine pm. Both Brett's mom, Jillian Phillips, and her 390 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: friend David Oakes, had been heavily drinking. There was no 391 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: way either could have fought off the attack. Their thinned 392 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: blood would account for the red soaked couch and floor 393 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: where Gillian and David were found, respectively. Both their heads 394 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: were bruised and fractured, consistent with violent blunt force trauma. 395 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: Once they were incapacitated, Brett repeatedly stomped on their faces, 396 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: leaving a bloody footprint from his Nike air trainer on 397 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: his mother's cheek. A forensic scientist later confirmed that the 398 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: butchery Brett committed that night would have taken him at 399 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: least one hour or longer. At eleven pm, Brett Rogers 400 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: left his house and wandered onto the Common Green, a 401 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: small shared outdoor yard with pinches. There, Brett called nine 402 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: nine nine. For some reason, either the call was dropped 403 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: or he hung up. Brett did not speak to an officer. Inexplicably, 404 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Brett returned to his house while the victims bled out downstairs. 405 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: Brett climbed upstairs, tracking blood on the treads. He changed 406 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: out of the blood soaked size eight Nike trainers and 407 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: into size nine shoes. Approximately thirty to forty five minutes later, 408 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: Brett calls nine nine nine again, this time requesting help. 409 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Around midnight, a lone officer arrived to find Brett in 410 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: a side alley beside Ed's house. He was clutching a 411 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: white plastic bag, His arms and hands were slick with blood, 412 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: and he was grinning laughing to top it all off. 413 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: On the way to the station after his arrest, Brett 414 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: turned to the officer and asked if they could swing 415 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: by McDonald's first, but the crime scene had yet to 416 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: reveal Two of the most baffling parts of the murders. 417 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: The following day, during a methodical search of Jillian's overflowing 418 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: kitchen trash can, the murder weapons were discovered. 419 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 5: Inside. 420 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: Seven knives were found, four black, ones, one red, one yellow, 421 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: and one blue, indicating that Brett went back and forth 422 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: over the course of an hour or so, randomly choosing 423 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: a new instrument every time a knife broke or dulled. 424 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Some of the knives were missing handles due to the 425 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: violent force used to thrust the blades into the victim's bodies. 426 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: Investigators also found Brett's discarded nikes, his gray sweatpants, several towels, 427 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: and a pillowcase, all soaked in blood. He had also 428 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: thrown away cash, two hundred and twenty pounds in twenty 429 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: pound notes, and a pair of women's animal print underwear. 430 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: But perhaps the strangest discovery lay outside in another trash ben, 431 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: evidence of a different side to Brett's breakdown. Sometime during 432 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: the murders, he had scrawled a message, a letter of 433 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: sorts three words written over and over at least thirty times, 434 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: I and love and much. Then he destroyed the message, 435 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: tearing it into three hundred small pieces. 436 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 5: I kept pouring. 437 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: Over the articles because one question kept nagging at me. 438 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: Why what sent Brett over the edge that night? I 439 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: couldn't wait to ask Ed? But it turns out i'd 440 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: have to Ed stood me up. I waited in that 441 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: pub for two hours. I sent him a message on WhatsApp, nothing, 442 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: not even a courtesy text, saying I can't make it. 443 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: I crawled in bed that night, bombed and frankly a 444 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: little pissed. Young comedians come to the Fringe Fest for 445 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: one reason, to show their talent to the world, to 446 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: find new collaborators and expand their audiences. I thought Ed 447 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: and I might make a great team. Why would he 448 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: not show Maybe he's already working with someone else, or 449 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: isn't interested in a wider audience, or maybe he's decided 450 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: that I'm not the perfect fit for his ambitions. After all, 451 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm a crime producer and he's a stand up. And 452 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: that's when it hit me. Despite what Ed said on stage, 453 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: a double murder in a small town, the killer coming 454 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: to his house, all on the one night in four 455 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: years that Ed happened to be back home. 456 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: He had no idea though I was there. 457 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: This was just my questionence a coincidence that's certainly possible 458 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: but probable, or maybe Ed was trying to convince himself 459 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: of that narrative. 460 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: That's a story, thank you. 461 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: Whatever the truth was, Ed was going through it for 462 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: his audiences, cackling through his forty five minute set. 463 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: This was just another comedy. 464 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: Routine for Ed. It was trauma therapy with dozens of 465 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: people looking on. The Next night, I waited at the 466 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: stage door again, and this time I didn't hold back. 467 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: I told Ed why I thought he was avoiding me. 468 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: I told him why I think he changes all the 469 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: names and places in the story, and then I told 470 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: him why I think he performs this set in the 471 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: first place. He too, wants to know why Brett did 472 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: what he did and if his presence in town that 473 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: night had anything to do with his bully's meltdown. Ed 474 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: was speechless, and then he unloaded his thoughts on me, 475 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: telling me that Brett never mentioned him by name after 476 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: he left, that he already had mental problems, and that 477 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: Brett would have never known that Ed was in town 478 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: for one night only. Rather than pushback, I simply asked 479 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: Ed a question. I asked if he would like to 480 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: explore everything that led up to those murders in hopes 481 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: of unearthing Brett's motivations that night, that maybe a deeper 482 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: understanding of Brett might unshackle him from any of his 483 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: darker feelings. He got very quiet, shook his head and 484 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: told me he would think about it. And that was 485 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: the last time I talked to Ed Hedges until two 486 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: years later when he called me pis drunk. He told 487 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: me he'd been considering my offer for years. It had 488 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: always stuck in the back of his mind. He said, 489 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: if I was still up for it, he was in. 490 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 5: Why now? I thought, what's changed? Then he said one thing, 491 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 5: though Brett's dead. Next time on wisecrack. 492 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: In most cases they swing their fists around. Yes, plausible, 493 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 4: it's believable, and you've had a fight, but you don't 494 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 4: kill your mum. 495 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 6: The forensic scientists took a huge number of photographs, not 496 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 6: all of which we showed to the jury. Some of 497 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 6: them were just too horrific to do so. The thing 498 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 6: that struck me most about it was the sheer quantity 499 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 6: of bloodshed. It literally was a blood bath. 500 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: Wisecrack is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart podcasts 501 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: in association with Star White Productions. I'm the host Jody Tovey. 502 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: The show is written by Charles Forbes. Stand up comedy 503 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: written and performed by Ed Hedges, with additional writing contributions 504 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: by Charles Forbes. Executive producers for Tenderfoot TV are Donald 505 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: Albright and Payne Lindsay. Executive producers for Star White Productions 506 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: are Jody Tovey and Charles Forbes. Lead producer is Alex Vespestad, 507 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: with additional production by Stephen Perez, Joe Grizzle, ja Ja Muhammad, 508 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Jamie Albright, and Jordan Foxworthy. Lead editor is Stephen Perez, 509 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: with additional editing by Dylan Harrington and Liam Luxon. Coordinating 510 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: producers are John Street and Tracy Kaplan. Research by Jim 511 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: Nally and Misty Showalter. Original music by Jay Ragsdale with 512 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: additional music by Makeup and Vanity Set, mixed by Cooper Skinner. 513 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: Artwork by Byron McCoy. Special thanks to Orren Rosenbaum and 514 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: the team at UTA, Nate Ranson, Alexander Kaplan and The 515 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: Sinner Clubhouse, and the Nord Group. For more podcasts like Wisecrack, 516 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: search Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast app, or visit 517 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: us at tenderfoot dot tv. Thanks for listening. 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